The Daily Zeitgeist - How To Rationally Prepare For The Apocalypse 02.13.24

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 325, episode 2 of Dirt Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's share of caution. And it is Tuesday. I almost said Thursday. February 13th, 2024. Fuck. Valentine's Day. Shit. Fuck. Tomorrow, isn't it? I guess I better go to CVS

and buy some more Google Play gift cards. This actually did just fuck me up because we're recording this week in advance and I forgot we were recording it a week in advance and i was like oh oh wait you really were like i guess for people who don't know it's galentine's day uh i thought that was just a bit from parks and rec it's also uh fast knock day it's I guess the day before Ash Wednesday.

It's already Ash Wednesday? Yeah, Ash Wednesday. Hell yeah. Golly, y'all. I hope y'all got something to give up. Catholics mark themselves. Hey, National Cheddar Day. Oh, right.

So it's Fat Tuesday, meaning Maundy Tuesday. As I know, as I grew up in the church, we know it as Maundy Tuesday. National Tortellini Day. And National Pancake Day, but that's courtesy of the people at the International House of Bondcake. Oh, really? Yeah. Because half of these

days are just, you know, half of these days are just like some company's like, just make my fucking product a national day. Big Pancakes House. Mm-hmm. Well, my name's Jack O'Brien aka Sprint Taint. I got a Big Pancakes House. Well, my name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Spraynt, taint, I got a real complaint. Why don't my shit smell like fresh mown grass?

Spraynt, taint, I got a real complaint. Why can't I spray alfalfa out my asshole? And I spray alfalfa out my asshole. That is courtesy of Clio Universe in reference to the discovery last week that Sprint is the... What? Which animal? Otter shit. Otter shit. Otter shit is called Sprint.

It smells like fresh mown grass. Yeah. And I'm very jealous of otters. I want my shit to smell like that. I don't know. I kind of like when i take a nasty shit just kind of reminds you that you're alive yeah like oh yeah i'm fucked my body processed poison that part's just decomposing a little bit faster than the rest yeah this is who i am fuck it we're We're all going to die. It's empowering. I'm going to eventually smell like that all over when I'm in the ground. So stop pretending otherwise.

From whence we came. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Hey, a.k.a. What that fucking skull do, Einstein? What that fucking skull do einstein what that fucking skull do ow what that fucking skull do einstein nose tip to skull base oh shit this guy's iq is really high okay shout out to blinky you know einstein to further and i never took an IQ test. But what that skull do, you know, that skull do, though. Yeah.

Einstein. Yeah. Doesn't matter, by the way. We are not pro phrenology on this podcast. I am. I'm pro stinky shits and phrenology. You're coming out with all the very. I'm just telling you, everything is measurable with what you can see or smell.

You don't have to do anything. It's just all there. Yeah. I measure my own poops. Yeah, it's all there. Yeah. Don't let people know about how some people in the NBA also keep deploying the dark arts. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by an author, musician, and podcast host of the anarchist survivalist podcast,

Live Like the World is Dying, and the Cool Zone Media, Robert and Sophie Lichterman's Cool Zone Media podcast. Cool people who did cool stuff. Please welcome Margaret Kiljoy! Margaret! That's me. I didn't prepare a song.

I'm sorry. AKA Magpie. That's your AKA, right? That's right. I'm sorry. AKA Magpie. That's your AKA, right? That's right. What's the thing about Magpies the bird? They steal things. Yeah. That is how I got the name. Oh, really?

They steal shiny stuff, right? The little shiny bachelor pad thing to impress? Yeah, they're a shiny object collector like crows and ravens. They're pretty closely related. Do they have the same memory, too? Like how crows would be like, yo, fuck a one crow, it could be smoke

from the whole murder. I think so, only a group of magpies call it tidying. Oh, that's so much nicer. I mean, I like to think of it as ominous instead of direct, but good tidings to you, they say, before they it as ominous instead of direct. Right. Good tidings to you, they say, before they rob your ass.

Yeah, exactly. Wait, what were you stealing? What were you coming up on all the time? Mostly food and books, I guess, when I was 20. Yeah. I got it for two reasons. One, I would find little rusty and shiny things in the street when I was walking around. I was like a cross-punk squatter.

Okay. And so I would pick up little rusty things and make weird bad jewelry with it eventually i started to learn how to make better jewelry and then the other thing is yeah i used to shoplift yeah like it was my job because it kind of was because that's how i fed myself and my friends yeah i would never advocate oh whatever do whatever you want yeah yeah whatever do it do what you gotta do do what you gotta, yeah, whatever. Do what you got to do. Do what you got to do. Well, we wanted to have you on to talk about cool people who did cool stuff. And then we found out about Live Like the World's Dying. And so we're torn.

We're going to talk to you about both. We're really interested in that. But before we get into both of those things, we do like to get to know you a little bit better by asking you, Margaret, what's something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? This week, I searched timeline of different countries' independence from Britain. Okay. Because my job is researching history, and then I want to know all of the fussy details.

That's what I came up with. How does it usually go for them? How's that process? For people who leave Britain or Britain itself? Yeah, yeah, really smooth. It is a lot of different methods. Most of them involve shooting British people. Yeah.

That is the primary way by which people have gained independence from Britain. Yeah. Who did it bloodless? Like Ghana? I mean, oh, I don't actually know. I mean, obviously there's the ones like India had a lot of nonviolence involved in the movement, right? Right, sure.

And you can contrast that with Ireland, which had a lot of shooting. Right. The treadles. Yeah, well, and then there's the whole... That's the episode that I just researched and wrote in the past week is the Easter Rising and all of the early Irish independence stuff. But yeah, I guess the cleaner break you make with Britain, the less ongoing violence there is.

Ireland didn't have a very good clean break with Britain. Anyway, but yeah, my search history is all I do is sit around and read history books now instead of being a cool thief named after a bird. Just go out there and get some shiny shit, though. Just so you can feel it one more time. Yeah, that's right. What's something you think is overrated? Okay, I picked prepping stuff as for my over and underrated. Oh, perfect.

Okay. Overrated is bunkers and canned food. Okay. For preparedness. Wait, and okay, bunkers. Now you tell me. Yeah. I am upside down on this bunker.

This fucking guy just could. And it's fucking flooded back there. This dude just came through my neighborhood and convinced me and my neighbors that we needed to all go in on a bunker. And now. So bunkers. neighborhood convinced me and my neighbors that like we needed to all go in on a bunker and now so i mean bunkers i think what the obvious reason at least one thing we learned after talking to like people like douglas rushkoff about like how billionaires are so focused on bunkers it's like how are you going to maintain a bunker like if anything goes wrong but what from your perspective what's the what's the overrated part of the bunker well it's like don't get me wrong

if i had an extra seventy thousand dollars i wasn't doing anything else with i'd probably have a bunker for like tornadoes and right stuff right yeah but overall this like mentality of oh the way that you survive things is that you and maybe your immediate family go crawl in a hole in the ground and then what? Watch TV until you die. Right. You watch friends until the end of the world. Like, I really like that movie.

Leave the world behind. But yeah. Did you really? Oh, the thing that annoyed me was that they were like buying into all of the bullshit. They were like, they were like,

yeah, people who have bunkers, the very wealthy people who have bunkers are going to outlive us all. Well, but the people whose bunkers are dead or gone, they just go and find the people's bunkers. No, no, there's some problems with that movie from a preparedness point of view. And I think it's really telling that it was produced by the Obamas. And it's like this kind of, but in a weirdly, like they go and they convince the prepper to stop being such an asshole. You know, that's the scene that makes the movie for me.

Right. Is that Kevin Bacon's character from Tremors turns around and learns how to share. And what about Cam? It is canonically same universe as Tremors. Right. Right. One hundred percent. And what about cam food?

Okay. And this one's like more nitpicky. Cam food's great. Everyone should have enough food to like last a little while, right? In case like supply chains, which we've all seen supply chains. I'm sorry, just from your, what is the standard amount?

Just so I can write this down. How much food should you have? I would, overall, I would tell people to have between three and six months worth of food in their house. Okay. But the thing about canned food

is that canned food isn't like set it and forget it like people treat it you actually canned food is pantry food you have to like rotate through it so if people are just like oh i'm just gonna stockpile food and all they do is go out and buy canned food it's kind of weird and it doesn't really like work as well as like a system where more like the stuff you eat anyway like if it's canned food and the stuff you eat right like i keep a lot of canned soup and beans and stuff around right because i eat it anyway yeah whereas like i do believe in in food storage i am kind of a prepper at the end of the day although i believe in community mind is my preparation yeah yeah yeah but i like the i like the stuff you can set and forget like if you you store beans and rice properly, you just leave it in your basement for the next 30 years.

It's fine. Right, right. So I got 40 days of Progresso from the late 90s out in a shed in my backyard that's just been baking during the summer and cooling during the winter. How do we think that's going to hold up? You know, you got a chance.

Totally eats like a meal. You got a chance total eats like a meal you got a chance you know i mean well the the thing is that i can i'll give it to my enemies first because that's the first so as we know once society falls apart first thing that comes is your enemies and they're gonna try and eat all your shit well everyone's your enemy once the world ends. That's what we've learned. Zoom out, Jack. Zoom out. Everyone's the enemy. Yeah.

But that was the thing about Leave the World. For people who don't know, there's a movie on Netflix made by the person who made the show Mr. Robot, Sam Esmail. It's produced by the Obamas. It's based on a novel from like i think five to ten years ago and the basic plot is that like somebody from outside the u.s attacks the u.s like infrastructure knocks out like media knocks out wi-fi and then everybody starts attacking one another like right like everybody starts killing each other like that's basically the end of the movie is that like people are like setting off bombs yeah i guess i should i always forget to say spoiler on this movie in particular because i don't feel that bad about spoiling it because i think it's such bullshit wait everybody loses their shit yeah but everybody loses their

shit like immediately because they don't have internet. I feel like it's kind of and because they're scared. But I don't know. Like I lived it. So it takes place outside of New York City. So you only see New York City from a distance. But like three days without the internet and electricity and like all of a sudden like buildings just start falling. Just like they've been fucking detonated internally. I don't want to defend

this movie super hard but one of the plot points is that it's not just that the internet went out but it's also that the i mean you can tell the obamas did it it's like foreign agents are spreading disinformation and turning people against each other there's like an active there's like an active thing to turn people against each other yeah yeah yeah no that's true yeah but i don't want to defend this movie super hard i enjoyed it and i like that kevin bacon turns around but i'm not coming to be like yeah oh yeah the obama's made the best prepper movie or something i was in new york city during that blackout that happened in the like early 2000s yeah yeah mid aughts and everybody just got drunk for like three to four

days like for the most part everybody got drunk there was some like nasty price gouging on water and stuff like that but for the most part like people were just sitting in the streets being hammered like that's kind of it like turned into what it what it sounds like the 1940s were like just everybody's drunk all the time nobody can find each other well that's what that's what um disaster studies like the the academic field has shown is that by and large when there's a disaster everyone takes care of each other there's like a notable exception it's called um elite panic i think i can't remember the the people who have something to lose like the people who are current previously in control they're the people who are

going to run around start shooting looters and all of that right yeah but overall people get together pretty naturally and are like well what needs doing how do we do it or let's just hang out outside right right yeah exactly yeah elite panic i think is like perfectly summed up in that picture of the mccloskeys from the 2020 the summer 2020 the uprisings the family had a fucking machine gun and the lady would like the pistol you know what i mean that truly was like these people want justice like it's a wine glass yeah just like loosely mustard mustard stains on his fucking polo shirt you're like who fucking weeps the fuck out of here but he thinks he's

an operator because he has an ar-15 yeah exactly operator and a golf shirt yeah that's a very specific that's a pretty good band name too elite operator in a golf shirt no elite panic but their first album could be operator in a golf shirt yeah and, Elite Panic. Elite Panic is a good one. Their first album could be Operator in a golf shirt. And it's just got that dude on the cover. Country Club Operator. As long as it's a death metal band, I'm in. Yeah, for sure. The other thing it reminded me of is when the roads were too muddy to leave Burning Man.

And Chris Rock was like, they're fucking coming for us, man. They're going to kill us man they're gonna kill us all we're all gonna die like you like completely lost his shit while everyone else was just like this is very inconvenient and i might lose my job yeah uh you know he and whatever wealthy people he was like hitchhiking with were like this is the end of the world this is how it ends they're gonna come for all of us yeah yeah what is something you think is underrated okay i'm sticking with the same theme uh knowing your neighbors underrated yeah huh huh i think that most people a lot of people don't know the people in their floor of their apartment building or the people in their parlor or you know whatever it is right like just yeah not even necessarily get along with them not

necessarily go to all the same places and invite each other to birthday parties but just like know who they are talk to them every now and then know their do you have the ability to knock on their door and be like the fuck's gonna happen you know what i mean like do you have the ability to knock on their door and be like, I don't know what the fuck's going to happen? You know what I mean? Like, do you have that level of familiarity with your neighbor? Yeah. Yeah. I just sit by my front door and smoking a cigarette and saying, who's this guy? Who's this guy?

Every time someone walks by my front door, you know, like a casino. Yeah. With binoculars though too. Who's this guy? Who's this guy? It's someone 20 feet away on the sidewalk. You're like, what? He's walking his dog, Jack. Hey, who's this guy? Who's this guy? The guy who feet away on the sidewalk you're like what he's walking his dog jack yeah

it was this guy who's this guy who lives in the house behind yours you yell at my dogs all the time that's who this guy is yeah yeah yeah i mean what i mean i think yeah well we'll get into that part as we talk a little bit more about uh preparedness but like yeah like it's knowing people around you is just in general preparedness or not. It's it's just fundamental, I think, to understanding that you also live in a functioning world, too, because when you're siloed off, like you're just going to fill in the gaps. Like, I don't know what the fuck they're doing over there, what they're fucking into or some shit. You have like intrusive thinking like that versus like, oh, yeah, that's Stacy in them. Like, yeah, they, they, they work

at the hospital or they do this. And I don't know, we don't have much we talk about other than like exchanging pleasantries, but I have their phone number. Yeah. My, my neighbor's this older woman that lives alone and you know, our communications consist of your power out too. Yep. Yeah. Hey, you know, a good plumber. Right. Once you get gravel. Right. Does your water pressure suck like randomly on like Tuesday mornings sometimes? Right.

Yeah. There's so much to talk to your neighbors about. Hey, you want to split a cord of wood? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That kind of stuff. Yeah. All right.

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Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. And, yeah, like I said, we wanted to talk cool people, and we will talk about cool people who did cool stuff. But I think there's a lot of people who are having the same thought right now that maybe I don't want to be living here in this way right now.

I grew up with a pretty limited view of what it meant to be a prepper or a survivalist that, yeah, it, it involves, you know, people who are like in some branch of Christianity that I'm not familiar with, you know,

like it's a, it's a lot of people like, like with like living with like barrels of gasoline on a compound somewhere. And yeah, like Miles, you were saying you were like searching for prepper stuff on Amazon. Yeah, the best place, I think, just to make it feel, just to complete the sort of apocalyptic circle. Because, you know, to your point, Jack, like, A, I think most people's perception of this practice is informed by shows like fucking doomsday preppers. And you're like, you have to put doomsday in front of the word to even like enter like the concept of preparedness or like the internet dunking on like some person who bought like 7,000 cans of SpaghettiOs and machine guns.

And you're like, what the fuck world is this? But like, yeah, just looking, cause like, I'm always interested cause like Amazon is where like most people just shorthand but like yeah just looking because like i'm always interested because like amazon is where like most people just shorthand like i don't know about this thing i just need the thing yeah and then so when i started typing in like just prepper the things

that auto filled were so absurd like some were easy like long-term survival uh survival kit and gear one thing just filled in it said prepper gear and supplies for all out war was like something people were just like they're like are you looking for this thing like for all out fucking war no what the fuck and like the whole aesthetic is just sort of like wrapped up in this like, like vision of like, you are going to die in a hot war that most likely goes nuclear. I hope you are ready to wear battle fatigues all day and eat your wife's fucking leg. Like that. Let's say you're going to want to eat your wife. But if you, if it comes to that, here's how to best prepare her body.

Right. Yeah. It doesn't feel like I wrote how to that. Here's how to best prepare her body. Right. Yeah. It doesn't feel like- Oh, yeah, that's the book I wrote, How to Prepare Your Loved One's Bodies for Consumption. Yeah. How to prepare hamstring meat in 70 different ways. Filet mignon of the 30-year-old body. Filet mignon. That's right.

It doesn't feel, you know, it freaks you out it makes you feel like you're so fucked why even try yeah and i'm like it's just like also really heartening to hear you and others talk about like how this sort of mainstream idea of a person surviving on their own until their death is not only like harmful but is like the worst way to think about surviving through any kind of event ever so yeah i mean like what what was sort of your entry point because when we were talking at like first about having you want to talk about this we're like i don't know we should like talk about fucked up doomsday preparedness but no you have a much more community-minded version because that's the most realistic version of being prepared for

any eventual event that could disrupt our day-to-day lives what's like well like are there just like two schools of thought like the people who are the fully militarized version of like it's fuck you and it's just going to be me and my dogs type survivalist and people who are more like no like let's be realistic about what would happen if we had no electricity we had no running water yeah what do you do next yeah i would say that there is there's a there's a split but it's like less even the sort of slightly more mainstream prepping community is starting to be like oh these people who just want to live in a bunker and shoot everyone who comes near our idiots you know and that's like starting to be more and more the understanding they are the people who like a lot of the people who call themselves preppers

for a very long time or at least the people who are very visible calling themselves preppers where a lot of these people were like oh you need your bug out location you need to train your 17 children in order to shoot enough rifles or whatever you know and but i'm making a militia yeah exactly i'm building out my militia yeah and more and more people start talking about it as like look if you're planning for the zombie apocalypse you're doing it kind of as almost you're doing it as a joke but your actual plan is what do you do when a hurricane comes what do you do when you live in texas and your electrical grid is completely disconnected from every other electrical grid or what do you do when you live in Texas and your electrical grid is completely disconnected from every other electrical grid? Or what do you do when you're trans and your existence has been outlawed in the state you live in? Or what do you do when, you know, where I live, the power goes out a lot, right?

Because I just live in the mountains where it's kind of an underserved area. And so the trees fall on the power lines and the power goes out. Right. Or if you, whatever your health condition is or ability level, like you might need medication or equipment that need electricity, things like that. Yeah. Like your CPAP machine, you need to have a battery that runs it. Or you need to know that you can get out of your driveway or

just like fundamental disaster preparedness. And I think what's happening is that the United States is becoming a less stable place to live. Overall, the world in general, like a lot of the stuff around supply chains is less guaranteed than it was a few years ago. Right. And so people are starting to be like, what do we do about this? And enough people who are coming at it rationally are able to say like, well, the answer isn't a fully automatic weapons. There's very few situations that fully automatic weapons are the correct answer for. And that doesn't mean that some stuff that comes from the old school of preparedness doesn't make a certain amount of sense. It is ironic, actually, with the thing.

I don't know how to cook meat. I grew up eating fast food and then I became vegan. And so I probably need to learn how to cook meat. Like I don't eat it right now, but I'm like, what if I need to cook it for someone? What am I going to do? I'm going to kill them by accident, you know? But yeah, I think that the prepper scene is changing.

I think that one of the things is that people, I'm one of the only people who's going to call myself a prepper in this situation, but I'm used to being kind of antagonistic. I'm kind of used to being antagonistic to the traditional preppers. Right? Right. But community preparedness is a growing interest of more and more people.

And I'm very happy for that. I actually started Live Like the World Has Died right before COVID, like about a month. I started in January 2020, I think was the first episode. Wow, shit. So like episode three is entirely wrong it's an interview with a public health professional in the uk who's like oh we think it's not gonna really be a big deal but but yeah like and and you're right that when, when people hear this, like, oh, you, everyone needs to be ready to live in a foxhole and die of dysentery.

People are like, well, I don't want to do that. So I'm just going to prepare to die. Like, you know, I meet a lot of people whose plan is like, oh, there's an earthquake. I'll just be one of the first people to die. That's not a problem because everyone has to accept their own death because you're alive. Right. That's like part of being alive. But what we can do is we can say, you know know certain things don't need to be a big deal like when i

take when i talk about like people having go bags or what gets called bug out bags or whatever i believe in these but i don't believe in these because i'm like oh we got to take to the hills and live in the woods and shoot squirrels because the antifa have taken over the government or whatever right yeah i believe in having bug out bags or go bags because sometimes you're in your car and there's an ice storm and you have to sleep in your car right you know so yeah in the same it's the same reason we have a spare tire and a jack like just also have a sleeping bag or a wool blanket and some cliff bars and you know a day of water whatever right yeah is there like are there things that people you know like because the more i think about it i'm like i'm i'm shedding the old sort of idea of like skull and crossbones

radioactive imagery in my mind of like disaster preparedness what is like what's the easiest way to get some momentum going where you're like i want to i actually you know now that i have like a child and things like that i do think like it only takes a couple things to go fucking wrong and then you're like i can't go to trader joel's yeah and get what i need um like there are sort of easy ways to sort of look at how, what your own situation is and just like be like, and also I want to make sure people that I care about in my community, I can also be part of something too, like a network of people that are trying to help each other. What are like, aside from probably just the easiest thing would be like, just get to know

your neighbors, probably step one. What are just like other ways to sort of like look at that holistically that isn't sort of like, okay, well okay well do you do you have small arms training and hand-to-hand combat training but right what are like what how do i how do i sort of help shift my own thinking like that well you got the first step completely right the first step is literally just know your neighbors and then i would say the other stuff start with a little bit of like home preparedness like three days be like if we were all stuck in the house for three days do we have the food do we have the water do we have the cooking supplies do we have any medications that we need where any random three-day interrupt interruption in services or whatever will be fine you know because most interruptions in services don't last all that long right so

and then people tend to go like three days three months three years as kind of like the sort of steps one could take but i would do the three days and then i would look into a go bag i would look into if there's a certain type of crisis if you live on the west coast obviously like earthquakes are a potential risk right and so some of the stuff with earthquakes is like not that big of a deal you just like well you have a go-back for everyone in your family where you have like copies of your important papers and it's less like make sure you have a tent and a hatchet and more like make sure that you have some over-the-counter beds and like right you know and make sure that you have copies of your your documents and and

that you can just if you're like we have 10 seconds and we have to get out of the house, this is what we go and do. And if you live somewhere where cars are part of your life, do you keep your car at more than half gas? You know? Right. Right. Yeah. So I would start with that. And I would say that one of the best things about preparedness is that you can actually use it to lower anxiety about problems.

things about preparedness is that you can actually use it to lower anxiety about problems. Because once you have done everything that you reasonably are going to do for a problem, it's not always easy, but you can start letting go of that problem in your mind. Like when I lived in a cabin, my own preparedness journey is a little bit more backwards. I lived out of a backpack and then a van and then a barn and then a cabin. And now I live on grid in a house. But when I lived in a cabin in the woods i was like well what happens if there's a forest fire what will i do and so i prepared a go bag i kept my car half full of gas and then i stopped worrying about it because i was like right well i've done what i'm gonna do so now yeah i'm not gonna lose sleep over a forest fire yeah and i think to the

other point about community preparedness i think that is actually the best way to look at it because you know the way we're talking all the imagery around it is like it's you and you fucking alone and it's off-putting it's like dude i don't want to fucking engage with that shit that's terrifying like i don't want to be like all right am i ready to die alone versus like i can actually lean into more in like a way that feels optimistic to be like, am I am I tapped into something where I know between everybody will be able to figure it out because we're all kind of moving in the same direction that feels much more like positive and makes me feel more like sort of secure, despite the insecurity of it all, you know? the insecurity of it all, you know? Well, and I would say that, you know, there's this classic zombie and disaster movie thing where as soon as the existing system goes away, some random strong man steps in and says,

I'm in charge. Right, right. And it's either, if it's like a good guy movie. Bring a skull for a hat. Yeah, totally. If he's the bad guy, he's got a skull for a hat. And if he's the good guy, he's got an American flag on a baseball cap.

And he's like, he's still kind of functionally the same guy you know his name's jack yeah absolutely they always have like the jesus j name you know yeah those protagonists that's why i changed my name yeah i'm trying to prep and so what i've discovered is that when there's a a small power vacuum it's not that the first person has an idea is in charge it's that the first idea that someone floats that sounds reasonable might pull people over and so one of the things is to have experience like if you have activist experience for example you can kind of step in and be like whoa a bad thing happened let's all talk about it and figure out together what we should do

so yeah if you are the first the first person to go around and start knocking on doors in your neighborhood and be like hey the power's out and it's been two days like why don't we all meet in the street talk about it you know yeah can you okay yeah exactly totally yeah and then the other reason to a lot of the individual preparedness stuff like having three days worth of stuff a lot of that is so that when someone comes to your door and says, are you okay? You can say, I am okay.

Do you need anything? Does anyone else on the street need something, you know, and having enough to share like out the gate. And then what you do is that you slowly get other people in your neighborhood to also have enough to share, you know, only five people on the,

out of a hundred. I don't know, whatever. I don't know the numbers here. I'm making them up. I people on the out of 100 i don't know whatever i don't know the numbers here i'm making them up i live in the middle of the woods but you know if you live on your like suburban street or an urban area or something like not everyone needs to stockpile water but if enough people have some water stockpiled y'all yeah y'all are good and that seems to be the default like we've got i think it was the aftermath of the Texas infrastructure breaking down, like, and freezing over. Like, everybody's electricity being out. Or maybe it was one of the hurricanes. But there was a lot of shit online that was, like, Houston loot crew coming through.

Like, people starting fake accounts to, like, claim that there was this, like, gang of marauding people, like, coming through to loot. that there was this like gang of marauding people like coming through to loot and then like when you look at studies that people have done into how communities react in these situations it's the default is they come together they like will share their resources with people in need they'll take care of one another and it's like actually pretty inspiring i yeah i'm constantly like i think it's an interesting mystery to solve as to like why we edit that out like why we tell the story that it is the opposite of that where like it just you know that might make the local news but eventually it's going to get whittled down to they're killing people in the fucking superdome,

which didn't, yeah, was actually not happening. But like that's still, I think people's one of people's main memories of Katrina. But like, why is it because like hyper capitalism relies on us to be like killer that on that, like kill or be killed

mentality do you think or why do you think we're so prone to edit the people coming together to help each other out of history i think that one of the reasons that americans in particular uh especially white americans but obviously white amer Americans have influenced a ton of all American culture. One of the reasons that we do it is because the founding myths of this country are rugged individualism and like the family homestead versus everyone else and the protection of property rights over everything else. I never understood when I was younger, I was like, why does America talk about being land of the free? It's just hypocrisy. They owned people. what the fuck is anyone talking about right right and eventually you're like oh when they said free they meant this really specific defined thing around property

rights right you know rather than the rights of individuals and human rights and and things like that and so i think it it just doesn't tie into the zeitgeist as well. If you have the people coming together versus the rugged band of survivors with the strong leader and everyone shoots each other. I mean, obviously, sometimes firearms and self-defense matter, right? Right. Obviously, like sometimes firearms and self-defense matter. Right. And the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, you had a multiracial alliance of mutual aid people working as common ground and they had armed standoffs against racist militias that were going around and shooting people of color. Right. Yeah. And so like, I'm not arguing like there's no place for force and there's no enemies ever. But overall, I think it's just I think it's an American thing. I'm not sure. Maybe media from other countries does this, too. No. Yeah. I think it's definitely like it's just that cultural momentum from being built on the thing. It's like, here's what you do. You see some shit, you fucking point a gun at them and tell me get the fuck out

and then that's yours and then rinse and repeat and i think there's also there's just that sort of subconscious like will the pendulum swing back the other way and if it does and yeah i think it is very different because even for me also being half japanese like the way in a disaster how people look at things is all, I mean, to a certain extent, it's just so communally focused there. At a certain point you have no individualism, which is a whole other issue,

but that definitely like, like there's no fantasy of like, and then we got to shank people at the convenience store for a fucking donut or whatever. It was like, Americans really do like everything about that is sort of like, you don't know fucking like, look, man, we're fucking wild out here. Yeah. And yeah, I think it's just, it's like this weird really do like everything about that. It's sort of like, you don't know, fucking like, look, man,

we're fucking wild out here. Yeah. And yeah, I think it's just, it's like this weird thing we can't shake. And we've just had, whether it's like settling the frontier or the cold war, there's always some point to always be like,

and then man, you don't know, man, the shit might come here and you need a bunker. And you know, like we had movies that were kind of like having fun with the idea of like people's like atomic, atomic bomb bunkers and shit like that.

But yeah, that's sort of- I mean, not only are there like examples of movies like that, these are the rules. If you read a movie, like a book about screenwriting and like how to write, these are the rules.

It's like you need a protagonist who gets fucked over by everyone around them. Like these are the rules of like how to write a plot. Like the entire genre of the Western is what you just described as like this American founding myth of like, well, and I'm out on the homestead and have to like fight off everybody because everything is out there trying to kill us. And then every zombie movie we've talked through all the tropes of that. But like, these are the rules of the stories that we tell ourselves about how the world works. And I think movies stick in people's minds

more than anything else. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because chances are, if you haven't experienced it yourself, you're like, I'm pretty sure I saw a movie where that happened. Right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were shooting each other pretty quickly so that's probably yeah so well you can you can make it happen by telling enough stories about it is one of the scary things yeah exactly exactly because then you have no imagination for anything except that you're like i'm now my thinking has been confined to this box where it's fucking thunderdome. Like neighbors turning on neighbors in a like disaster or like just in a bad situation is like has happened, obviously, but it's very like it's very rare,

but we love to fucking focus on it and love to tell fictional stories about it to the point that I would think it's the default, but it's definitely like a cross-history, the vast exception. But speaking of movies, I do want to, let's take a quick break, and then I want to come back and talk about a couple

episodes of cool people who did cool stuff that you guys mentioned a couple times during the episode that it's mind-blowing that this story is not a movie yet, but it's a great example of the type of story that doesn't get told that should get told. That's like a better story than most stories I've ever heard. It's about the invention of the paramedics in Pittsburgh in the late 60s. So let's take a

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. And people need to go check out Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, both of your podcasts, but there are so many great episodes of Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. There's a recent one about the collective in Weimar, Germany, who, like, as Nazism is rising up and, you know, the economy is collapsing around them, they collectively, like, deliver one million illegal abortions a year as birth control is being just so incredible and badass. people, a community suffering under severe systemic racism in Pittsburgh, and they come together and become the first paramedics in the history of America, maybe the world. They are the reason we have paramedics today. Like all the life-saving care we expect to show up in an ambulance

started with them. And it it was pretty it was like i would have guessed so much longer ago but it was like 1968 yeah yeah and like i don't know it's another example i've talked before about how like there are two types of inventions there's like the iphone which is like something that is invented through sheer like tyranny of will, like years before the world might be ready for it. And it's like in in front of and then there are the inventions that like the world is repeatedly calling out for. And like just people just keep fucking it up. Yeah. Like the screwdriver was invented after the

screw so they were just like yeah they like the screw existed a chisel yeah they were just like whatever they had on hand they're like i guess this coin can kind of get it in there my thumbnail real long took them like fucking decades to invent the screwdriver but the paramedics seems like just listening to you like tell the story of you know it starts you started with like people drunk driving ambulances around the civil war yeah yeah just wait so what what did it look like because i haven't listened to this episode so what what we were just what just pulling up to the basically to the hospital before like just on the back of the car it look like? Because I haven't listened to this episode. So we were just pulling up to the hospital before, just on the back of the car.

It's like, get him to the hospital! So there would be people who would go around. There'd be someone you could call, and they would send an ambulance. And the ambulance would not be an ambulance. They would send a car. And it was different in different places. There was no central idea of how to do it. A lot of times times it was cops and

cops don't always treat different people the same wait what i've heard of this i've heard of this yeah it's crazy i know uh don't worry it was a long time ago and then also uh funeral homes were a big one the funeral homes had a hearse and you could put a person in a hearse so you you're like you're trying not to die of a heart attack and our hearse shows you could put a person in a hearse so you you're like you're trying not to die of a heart attack and our hearse shows up and they're literally like there's like petals left over from the last person and it was just it was private services and the other one was firefighters and then the other one was just like purely private services where there's someone in your neighborhood you can call and like john will come over and drive you to the hospital j name yeah uh

he's the hero of the story obviously no and so yeah they just they're this completely completely blew my mind too like if you had asked me when the paramedics were invented i would have been like victorian era and it was a little bit late that it took that long or literally this has always happened and people used to do it with litters you know where you like carry the person or whatever yeah you know i picture like somebody coming out and like plugging a fire bellows into your mouth and like. Yeah. And your belly's going.

Well, that was the other thing is that CPR is a recent invention is the other. And they were invented by the same guy. By the same guy. Unbelievable. Yeah. But, but yeah, the thing that paramedics changed was that the person who comes to drive you to the hospital performs care for you there on the street and there was a while where people weren't into it people were scared especially because the first paramedic team was all black and so at first they were in an all-black neighborhood

of in pittsburgh and it was like fine but then eventually like the white people in the surrounding neighborhoods were like we'd rather paramedics came than cops we keep dying yeah yeah and so then black people would come but then random white racists would be like no please i'd rather die of this heart attack just get me to the hospital all right no problem that's on you bro all right i know and that's the weirdest thing about like reading about the medical profession is that that's not the attitude that even like like black doctors and black paramedics who are dealing with racist patients are like and then we just have to do it anyway and i'm like y'all are made of better stuff than me okay i'll wait i'll wait you know so an important person has a heart attack on stage and a nurse goes and is delivering like CPR, life-saving aid. And then the cops, who are the authority at this time in like getting somebody to the hospital, kick her ass out off stage and then drag this person to the hospital.

I think they say they kicked her ass. She was white. Yeah, it was a white nurse. It was a white nurse. So they kind of pushed her out of the way. And we're like, why don't you go bake a pie, lady? Yeah, exactly. And they killed this guy by, you know, because they don't know shit about CPR.

Well, because they're interrupting the intervention, basically. Yeah, they're interrupting the CPR. And so this, like, people are pissed. They killed a major, like, political theory was that you could teach everyday people to do this thing that would keep people alive for a long time or much longer than they were living before. And so they trained regular people to be the paramedics, like specifically not cops. Or I guess they were open to cops and the cops were like, ah, fuck this. That's a training. We don't do this. Sorry.

No, we don't do training. But so why do you think they went in that direction to like train people who weren't like not not being like we're a traveling band of doctors was it just like doctors were in short supply it was a couple different things one is that they had this idea for this job paramedics and they were like who can we get to do this job where it is going to take like i don't remember the number of hours an awful lot of hours of training like an awfully long intensive thing we have no idea how financially feasible it will be we have no idea whether or not this job will exist when you finish all of this training who's willing to do that right yeah and so it was not the doctors and

then also yeah like the like i'm absolute shit remembering names as soon as i've moved on to the next episode i remember the story arcs and things. Sure, sure. But I can't remember the name of the CPR guy, but he's white. Is this Stanger? Oh, that sounds right, but I really don't remember.

I remember a lot about his backstory. He grew up in Nazi-controlled Austria or something. William Kubenhoven? I don't remember. And so he also, his thing is believing that we need to stop some of the gatekeeping around medical stuff. We still need to train people and people need to be highly trained. But he was like, I believe we can train regular people. So that was like partly his crusade around it. It was partly the police unions were blocking cops getting training. cops getting training and it was partly that the group that stepped up in order to say hey we're going to do this was a um not really a mutual aid group but a a black empowerment group that taught entrepreneurship within this neighborhood and and did like stuff like drive around the food

van and sell food out of the back to break the food desert and they were like well we can do it we have some organizational ideas and so it was coming out of the civil rights movement also so it's kind of specific parts of black civil rights stuff meeting hey how do we destroy the gatekeeping of the medical industry and just like and then even then they had trouble getting people to come to these trainings right and so they were like kind of just rounding people up on the street. So the first people, the first paramedics were not just black folks who were impoverished systemically from that reason,

but it was also a lot of felons. It was some people who didn't have any like stable places to live. A lot of people who are dealing with unemployment, vets with serious PTSD coming back from the Vietnam war. It was like, it was like the fuck ups you know and they were like well we're not the fuck ups we're actually really awesome and they're doing all this amazing work which is part of why it would make such a fucking killer movie and then

there was even the part like even at one point in order to get city funding they were like sorry you need to have a white person and so so they were like... Like just one. And so they found a guy who had been the token white soldier in a black unit in Vietnam. And we're like, hey, can you be our token white person? And he was like, sick. Yeah, no, totally.

That's fine. Oh, hell yeah. And so you even have, you know, from a Hollywood point of view, where you need that, they even have that. So it's a perfect movie. You have your Chalamet.

Yeah. Yeah, you have your new trope the magical white guy but he just like stays in the back and doesn't do shit yeah yeah it's like it's like what does he do it's just amazing his whiteness just even passively on off to the side the the doors that it opens it's quite magical this is also something that we saw when we were talking about alternatives to policing and like this programming eugene oregon that has been going since i think the early 80s i feel like it's called like creeps or something like that they give it the worst acronym possible but it's like if if you need to call someone for help but you don't want the police showing up with a gun you have this

alternative and like i remember reading a profile and the things that they're solving are just like i don't know this drunk guy is like having a fight with his partner and i think that's what it's called not creeps what is it cahoots cahoots isn't it cahoots yeah it might i think it had a different name for uh earlier on but i don't it creeps is uh nixon's like committee to re-elect the president but uh it was something like more sinister though but anyways like they would just like give somebody a ride you know it was just like really like community-based like oh i actually know that guy uh or i know his cousin i'm gonna have his cousin come give him a ride. And like you end

up seeing this is what is useful about the Freedom House people being the people who are serving this community is like, you know, I think Margaret in the episode you talked about if someone's ODing, they probably know who dealt them those drugs and can like go talk to that dealer and like find out what they took. You know, it's like they are plugged into the community. So you're just like paying for somebody within the community who knows people to go in and do the very basic, you know, work of also incredibly complicated and important work of like life-saving technology or life-saving medical care, but also just having that context and it being someone that like people are comfortable with and not somebody who's pointing a gun at you is so important and just

like feels like this could be spread spread applied to like so many other places right like in the modern world where we're still where we still have this crisis of the place to call when somebody's having mental health crisis or you know a lot of different problems is the fucking police like i don't know no i mean it just makes sense to me and especially when a lot of stuff that puts people in danger is criminalized you know you know yeah when when you're dealing with someone who hasn't who's odine oh and then just to throw in that also the same guy whose name i can't remember was i think the first person to administer narcan or like yeah use narcan not just as a way to pull people out of um anest, but also to pull people out of overdosing.

But yeah, like if you're, if someone's overdosing and you call the cops, you don't know whether you've saved that person's life or killed them. Right. Yeah. Dr. Peter Safar. I literally,

it's just names go in and out of my head. It's awful. I, I need to have a script in front of me in order. We're like looking and I'm like, there it's like, there's like three doctors that may have invented CP. There were. There were three doctors.

So far in Jude. Yeah, it's Peter Safar. He born in Vienna, Austria. Yes, that's it. Yeah, yeah. Ended up becoming the... And he created CPR. And he did all this like tricksy stuff to avoid serving in the Nazi army.

Yeah. Also almost killed himself are yeah and he did all this like tricksy stuff to avoid serving in the nazi army yeah he like like also almost killed himself with medical issues in order to be medically exempt from serving in the nazi army yeah he's just a cool guy yeah and he also like usually i do these episodes about like great men in history and they turn out to be like awful to the women in their lives right yeah total wife guy oh yeah great wife guy energy yeah he uh i mean not just energy he they were like ballroom waltzing champions yeah and like included her in his plans and right like i mean i don't have like i haven't read her i've read some quotes from her right sure sure sure but like compared to a lot of the people that i end up

researching in history where they're like so dedicated to the cause that they treat everyone in their lives especially the women and who are close to them in their lives like terribly this man is not an example of that yeah but yeah so they're out there they're part of the community they're the first people to like get the paddles out and go clear, like, on the street. Like, they're, you know, they are, like, breaking all this new ground. A racist mayor comes in, pushes them out, starts trying to replace them with cops, like, just stops, like, cuts their funding, keeps cutting their funding.

It's, like, this, again, just, like, a movie scene that is incredible that Hollywood is sleeping on. During this period freedom house like gets their hands on a police scanner and start like racing the police to get there to save people because the police the police are taking their sweet ass time so they're like listening to when there is a medical emergency and then like racing there to help people before the cops can show up but just an an amazing story of like you know people from the community like the medical power to the people like just all these you know all these really cool ways that this community came together against all odds and like the fact that that's not the story we tell and instead the

story we tell is like fucking an entire genre's worth of westerns right like fucking so frustrating yeah i think yeah that's probably important connecting those two things that was well done oh thanks right i think it's just yeah it's probably important to like even think of it in that context of just sort of like you you know, being fed this, these kinds of stories over and over again. And it like, you know, to your point, Margaret, it's like you can almost manifest it through like different, something that feels more connected, something that feels more humane and actually treats people with dignity. And yeah. And all these stories have been like in a way buried or whether that's intentionally or because they don't think it sells tickets or whatever, you know,

we're, we're seeing that like, that's actually our impulse is to just, is to invent and iterate and do something that is actually for a communal benefit rather than like, here's a story of the guy who got so pissed off, he beat up everyone in town and then his daughter got racist or whatever. That's so many movies. You know, the story of the guy who got fucking, like John Wick wick nobody just beat up everybody in town this

guy's so pissed you ever get so pissed that you just like beat up everybody in town like all those oval films are like that too or it's just like jesus pissed off guy on a mission oh man that's because every every american man is told that that's in his heart and he he could do that if he had to yeah you're like not every man can beat up every other man that is clearly not true that is not how math works you know what i'm really good at going help help me i think most men are because of patriarchy to be like, and then someone fixed it for me. And then I told myself I did it all myself because I'm a big boy.

Well, Margaret Killjoy, what a pleasure having you on the daily. Yeah. The podcasts are cool people who did cool stuff and live like the world is dying. Where else can people find you, follow you,

experience you all that good stuff yeah i have a weekly sub stack called i don't even know what it's called it's just margaret killjoy.substack or whatever and it i put out a post every week half of them are free and tend to be more public and political and talking about you know different ideological positions in history and things like that and then the other half are for paid subscribers and are more personal. You can find me on social media by searching my name. My latest book is a tabletop role-playing game called Penumbra City that I did with a couple people that comes out a week or so ago as people listen to this. And so if you like tabletop role-playing, that works. And then if you don, but want to read my fiction, my most recent book, I think it's

my most recent, I don't know. Escape from Incel Island is one of my books that listeners might enjoy where I make fun of not all masculinity, but the more toxic side of it on an island full of incels. Amazing. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? I've been watching star trek okay lower decks whatever the other new one is that i watched a bunch of it's been my favorite comfort food lately i like a lot of the writers on lower decks and i haven't watched it yet but oh that makes

sense yeah the the one of the main characters is i don't remember actors names to save my life but was like an actor in the Space Force that I really liked and I was like oh this is good yeah totally Miles where can people find you is there work media you've been enjoying find me on Twitter

Instagram threads anywhere with the at symbol at miles of gray find Jack and I on our basketball podcast miles and jack and boosties and uh also catch me talking shit about reality tv on 420 day fiance with sophia alexandra um tweet i haven't nothing i've been really i've i've been been real busy with the rains and the the baby's birthday and things like that i did though watch the first episode of mr and mrs smith and that was pretty good uh it's a pretty

good it feels like it's obvious like the whole thing was like it's not like the film with brad and brangelina or whatever like that it just feels feels, it feels like it's a, it's a really good re-imagining. And it feels like cool for lack of a better word. Like, you know, like when you used to, like when you're like a teenager and see something like, oh, this is cool. Dang, dog. Like now, like as you get older, you're like,

I really enjoyed like the cinematography or whatever. Like on top of being able to say that, I also watch and go, this is like fucking cool. Like, I don't know how else to sort of describe it. But anyway, yeah. Enjoy it. Tweet I've been enjoying. Stephanie Inslee Herschel tweeted, showing the kids, honey, I shrunk the kids and having

to explain which inventions are zany Rick Moranis originals, shrink ray, and which are normal household objects, phone attached to the wall, or which were normal household objects, which I just had that same experience and honey i shrunk the kids still holds up still goes like to the point that when it's raining my seven-year-old's like oh man could you imagine this if it was honey i shrunk the kids oh hell dude when the sprinklers came on it was fucking cataclysmic yeah so anyways classic i think there was an attempt in the works to reboot with or like make a remake of that called shrunk but i feel like they would fuck it up because they wouldn't be using like you know built sets they would be just like trying to cgi it yeah and it would all be

jokes about how the kids are upset they can't look at their phones yeah exactly or like yeah or like they're all trying to get to their phone like that's the end game it's like we just have to get to my phone yeah totally and all will be solved they know i think it actually would be pretty funny because the it's apparently supposed to start josh gad so should be good all right you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. What was a song that we think you might enjoy? Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy? what song do you think people might enjoy uh you know it's uh just you know feeling cozy i like some new jazz uh and there is a uk new jazz group called the tan high collective t-a-n-h-a-i uh and they're just funky you know it's just like people always say like people don't play jazz anymore

whatever it's that jazz just especially new jazz it's evolving it's like feeling more like r&b or hip-hop adjacent but trust me people still have the same level of you know chops on their instruments uh and are able to do really interesting things so check this one out it's called sal's groove by the tan high collective yeah yeah also uh because footnotes uh we're probably just going to be linking off to the book that you used as your main source which which I believe is American Sirens by Kevin Hazard. Yeah, from that episode. So we'll link off to that. It sounds like an incredible book telling the story

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