The Daily Zeitgeist - Hygiene Theater, The Next Pandemic? 4.8.21

Episode Date: April 8, 2021

In episode 853, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Steven Wilber to discuss hygiene theater, Canada's vaccine roll out, Matt Gaetz asking Trump for a pardon, the ketchup shortage, tips for getting vaccinated, how movies are doing in theaters versus on streaming, and more!FOOTNOTES: End the hygiene theater, CDC says Canada surpasses 1 million confirmed COVID-19 cases since start of pandemic Canada’s Vaccine Mess Canada has reserved more vaccine doses per person than anywhere Is Canada turning the corner with Covid? 'We took our eye off the ball': How Canada lost its vaccine production capacity The roots of Canada’s COVID-19 vaccine shortage go back decades Ottawa’s decade of hostile policies hurt Canada’s vaccine production, Pfizer says Why Canada’s Vaccine Rollout Slowed Down Biden uses Trump's 'America First' vaccine plan to corner the market “We Are Hoarding”: Why the U.S. Still Can’t Donate COVID-19 Vaccines to Countries in Need Vaccination no-shows: Why are thousands of appointments going unfilled? Matt Gaetz, Loyal for Years to Trump, Is Said to Have Sought a Blanket Pardon The New Shortage: Ketchup Can’t Catch Up What To Eat Before And After Your COVID-19 Vaccine To Lessen Side Effects Can you drink alcohol after getting vaccinated? The people want to know! Box Office: Why ‘Ghostbusters: Afterlife’ Should Move To May WATCH: GHOSTBUSTERS: AFTERLIFE - Mini-Pufts Character Reveal The 25 Most Popular Movies On Netflix In 2021 - Update: April 3 LISTEN: Illingsworth - “Everhard" Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Daily Zeitgeist! The production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It is Thursday. It is April 8th. It is 2021. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. the Jaws father, a.k.a. Miles rips a bong, Jack pounds a do somewhere along. They read the news and they'll

podcast for you all night. Now you know how to daily sight. That is courtesy of the official dickhead. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. It's Miles Gray, a.k.a. Emil Smith, rolling up a fatty. And for those of y'all that know who I'm talking about, you know. And shout out to you. For those who don't, don't worry about it.

But he may just be Arsenal's greatest talent, homegrown talent. Maybe he'll get the number 10 shirt. Maybe Martin Odegaard does. We don't know yet, but we like what we see. And shout out to BRXXXCK on the Discord for that one. We're all on the edge of our seats to see if he gets that number 10 jersey. The number 10 shirt. Will he get it? That's a big deal?

Oh, okay. The number 10 shirt. It's not like whether he gets to wear number 10. Well, it is. It means a couple things. It'll usually mean your most technically gifted player, like your star player will wear the 10 because pele made the number 10 famous and then maradona wore number 10 and ronaldinho so 10 is like the number for like your for that dude

messy wears 10 got it now so because of that i think we'd also just like normally the position your number coincided with your position so one was the keeper two was the right back three was the left back and 10 was sort of your playmaker okay anyway that's all that fans of american sports i think will be interested to learn that because there's like a informal sort of 23 being a big number and then right in the nba uh 33 for a center and then football like it vaguely corresponds but then you have some gray area in there. Aren't there like some receivers that'll wear 10 in the NFL? Yeah.

Or like numbers in the 10s? It's less prescribed. You can go 88 all the way down to, I feel like, Ocho Cinco. 88 if you're blowing those lines up like Michael Irvin. You know what I mean? Yep. Well, Miles, we are fortunate, thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the funniest dudes out there doing it. He is the hilarious, the talented Stephen Wilber!

Wilby! A.K.A. the ginger ale kid. A.K.A. the ginger ale kid, a.k.a. Scott. I'm the Steve Van. Now let's talk about some anime, gents. I'm ready, man. Anime, that's what's good. You guys catch that JoJo part six announcement? six announcement oh boy i'm ready to dive into

that stone ocean with bated breath with bated breath uh steven the last time we saw you we were in person no he's been on since oh you have pandemic all right well that's right yes very forgettable your last appearance uh time before that we saw you i was talking about how i how i beefed it real hard don't remember that at all the uh there there was a guest recently who had been on before and uh i fully went into it assuming they had not been and really yeah my brain just doesn't work anymore. No offense to literally anyone. My brain just doesn't work.

Apologies to Blake Wexler. Yes. That guy, that joker, that pack of cards. Oh, man. Tell me about it. Steven, where are you coming to us from? I'm coming to you live from scenic Louisville, Kentucky.

All right. Home of the Cards. Yeah, home of the Cards. Home of the Kroger. The Kentucky Derby. Home of the Slugger. UPS? Is chilly Coney culture in

Northern Kentucky too? Like it is in Cincinnati? Like Tony 2012? Yes, Tony 2012. Are people huge on that? You know, like Gold Star, Skyline, chili. Oh, there is one. That's the chili on the spaghetti, right?

Yeah, or you have it on a hot dog, depending on if you want two-way, three-way. Whoa, do I look like Sonic the Hedgehog? Yeah, I think it's big, yeah. I don't know, I haven't had it. That's my favorite regional food over there. Too many carbs for me, sorry. But Louisville's a pretty cool city, right?

It's pretty. It's pretty, yeah. I'll give it that. Oh, it's pretty? What's the scenic aspects of Louisvilleville a lot of cemeteries yeah oh yes like haunted uh a lot of greenery uh park yeah ripe ripe with foliage yes it's it's just now all like all coming in winter winter was kind of poo-poo. It looked a little stinky around here. Whoa, language.

I'm sorry, sir. Watch your fucking mouth. I can hear iHeartRadio knocking your door down right now. That's okay. We've got the poo-poo filter where we can press a button anytime we can sense a poo-poo coming on. And then actually what it does is it forces the conversation into nothing but scat talk as well it's just the side of unfortunate side effect of the poo filter that is something that has been uh afflicting our podcast of of late steven is that we just get into uh a subject related to poo poo and cannot get off uh but we'll

we'll try to avoid that here with you. Well, I am the scat man. Yeah, I know. As we heard, you know, and whether it's scatting via, you know, oral verbal scatting and the jazz standards and the traditions set forth by the great Kim Cattrall or yourself or scat man Carruthers, you know. Get you a man who can do both. Yes. Thank you. All right, Stephen, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment.

First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today, such as we'll talk about something called hygiene theater. We'll talk about how we should be preparing for the next pandemic, why Canada's vaccine rollout sucks so bad. This is just blatant pandering to the American audience who have had nothing to gloat about for years. I mean, even still. Yeah, even still. But I mean, come on, we got to get it where we can. We'll talk about Matt Gaetz's requests towards the end of the Trump administration

for blanket pardons and the new context in which we can view those catch up shortages. We'll talk about how to take care of yourself after you've been vaccinated. We might even talk about some some Hollywood goss, all of that, plenty more. But first, Stephen, you know, we like to ask our guest what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are uh feces um right what is it what is it i don't know i saw this word f-e-c-s lately i've just been trying to find a vintage marge simpson t-shirt that isn't a hundred dollars wow because the barts i'm assuming are uh the market is flooded with barts but not a lot of well i love a good you want to get the the bootleg barts those are great like 49ers part

and stuff or jamaican part Like those, those are gold, but I just, I want a Marge. I like Marge. Yeah. Marge. You can't even find like a bootleg one. Cause what you're talking about,

you're just, do you follow that bootleg Simpsons account on IG? That's all like bootleg Simpsons merch. Yeah. They just post. It's so funny. Like they're the ones like from freak Nick 93. I'm like,

I love seeing black bart simpson but yeah marge you can't find like even a you know well i want you want a bootleg bart but i want a real marge you know wow yeah wow interesting did you did y'all see that one tiktok video daniel shared it with me of that one comedian or she just has a tiktok account but she does like marge simpson voice so well the title of it is if marge simpson was in the godfather instead of marlon brando have you seen that clip no oh my god hold on i'm gonna play it for y'all because it's so fucking funny is it julie kathner no it's at slow puke on tiktok and just just watch this clip really quick oh my god that's yeah that exceeded expectations yeah i never thought something as simple but yeah

we knew that give me that bootleg shirt as Don Corleone, Marge Corleone. Oh my God. That is, uh, that is art. It's the, my boy that, that bridges the two worlds, you know, love to see it. The Simpsons did one of those Sanos uh mock like yeah things right oh like an opening yeah they did uh not an opening they did do an opening i'm sure they didn't do an opening the uh woke up this morning with march driving around from the grocery store but no i meant like remember there was that really uh Sopranos, like, I think it was, like, a billboard or, like, a magazine.

Like a black and white photo. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, hit one family on one side and the other family on the other. Right. Yes. I'm looking at it right now. Every TV show had to do a take on that. How many, are you a, do you have a Sim a Simpsons tee for like every day of the week?

Are you, is that kind of, that's what I'm trying to wear mass right now. Right. Right. I'm at a, I'm at a solid zero. Oh wait,

no, I just, I just got this one. Uh, great, great audio. Uh, is that an Akira Milhouse shirt?

Yeah. Bart Kira. it's like a and millhouse is just being like shot to pieces on that shirt yeah yeah yeah yeah um wow i'm glad we can get some anime talking uh what is something you think is overrated What is something you think is overrated? Dog clothes. But not because it's just clothes for dogs, but that they put the front of the clothes on the back of the dog,

I think is unacceptable and should not be allowed in fashion, really. So you're saying if were like a tuxedo the the lapels and stuff are on the back so you can see so it's visibly like a tuxedo you're like nobody was this dog and crisscross this is for the this was his mac daddy or daddy mac which which which one are you sir i want my dog to look like christ Cross, not Chris Cross, okay? He's wearing a tuxedo. Yeah, what the fuck is that? Why do they do that? Yeah.

I mean, I understand why they do it, but... Well, it's for you then. Right. Yeah, right. It's not for the dog. It's not for when the dog walks into the club. Yeah. Yeah, what the fuck? I mean, until we can train our dogs

to be bipeds you know unfortunately that's just where fashion is going to be for them which maybe will motivate them to pick up bipedal motion um as a species because the perks are better fashion options okay i think that's that's an open and shut case right there my old dog miles could walk on two feet for a pretty pretty long period of time uh and it was really yeah it kind of freaked people out wait how like you would be like all right miles let's go and he's just like well you had to you had to like kind of have something about his head right it wasn't like ed 209 shit it was i like that oh bipedal mode engaged yeah oh i saw there was a video of like i think it was i saw on reddit like a cat or a dog that was raised in like with a bunch of meerkats or some shit so it learned to just stand on his hind legs because in its younger

in its younger days it used to stand on its legs but around these other meerkats and it was just very casually had this upright vibe that was kind of startling to look at yeah sounds like no meerkat well it was a dog like i said now you've done it steven the uh can we go off mic really quick just to talk about this guy what is this guy's deal man what is this yeah i just went off mic and read me to filth there there's also a video of a dog that is missing its front two legs and walks around on its back legs and i'm sure

everyone's seen that but it is uncanny and troubling uh to say the least uh what is something you think is underrated steven i don't know if you remember when this happened because i don't i think it probably within the past 10 years but somebody thought to put a little reservoir in the laundry detergent bottle like at the at the top where the nozzle is there's the now like a little like hole where the access can pour flow into yeah the excess can drip back into the bottle and it's just like give that person a macarthur whoever whoever thought of that genius grant yeah so it's just like, give that person a MacArthur, whoever thought of that. Genius Grant. Yeah.

So it's like a little moat around the, is that what you're talking about? Well, normally there used to be just straight moat. So after you pour the detergent in the washing machine, you put the cat back on. Like a lot of it just stays in that reservoir. But then somebody decided to put a hole there so it all drips down and it's like, mama mia. Yeah.

We're not wasting detergent. Because yeah, I remember back in the day, like my childhood idea of a laundry detergent bottle was it just cascading down the sides of the bottle. Oh yeah. And then we got the moat, which only half solved it. And now we're fully into the restorative return funnel of the top of a laundry detergent bottle.

Unless you're using pods or some shit. Yeah. Hopefully we can put a man on the moon next. Yeah. Hopefully, maybe the next up, maybe Medicare for all. That's the hope. If we can solve that problem, maybe we can. May or maybe not.

I don't know. We'll see. Maybe tide will lead the way on that. You guys pod people. You fuck with pods. Dude, potting is my whole life, bro. Right. Oh, you mean detergent pods?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That too. Popular party drug. Yeah. I mean, I have.

It all depends. Like, if I'm at a store, I've bought both in the last year. Right. The one I like is the one that has Oxy in it, because I like to use OxyClean, you know, to keep my socks a little bit brighter. But, you know, whatever. I don't really have a preference. For me, laundry, I go with liquid.

Dishes, I go with liquid. Dishes? Pods. Wow, interesting. No rhyme or reason to it. We have a dishwasher that specifically requests, like must have signed some sort of endorsement deal way up the line, specifically requests a

platinum cascade pod. Please, Mr. O'Brien. What the fuck? What is this shit? Stop mistreating me. And it's not equipped to use it.

The pod doesn't fully dissolve when you wash it. It's cornering you. It's like, I must use this. And you're like fine asshole here And then you just have like a bunch of Dehydrated plastic After you run dishes

It's like the kid who begs his mom For the large fry Like no I can finish it You had three and you have a bellyache Alright asshole That's why you don't get the thicker holder It's only the ones that't get the thicker holder. It's only the ones that come in the paper holder, the little itty bitty fried.

Right. All right. Well, fuck my dishwasher, I guess. Have you tried? Yeah. Actually, I think it nullified your warranty, right? That's what my wife said. You just assumed it would morph into the Maytag guy.

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available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And the CDC is getting a little catty. I cdc is getting a little catty i think the cdc is getting a little uh you know cocky maybe feeling so they're saying enough with the hygiene theater assholes uh not not in those words exactly uh but they're they're basically making the point that we have now equipped all public spaces with a hand sanitizer leave like it's a sacred space and the hand

sanitizer is candles it's just hand sanitizer lined up everywhere you go and they're like but we know now like we figured out months into the entire pandemic that fomites the like you know versions of the germs that are on objects are not the way that things are getting spread you guys know this so this is all about again with the dog uh having the front of its shirt on its back this is all about how it makes you feel. It's not for the virus and the actual safety of the people around you. It's just about making you feel safe. I wonder if there's a correlation between seeing someone in a hazmat suit, like pressure spray a seat down before you sit in it. That makes you feel like you don't need to wear a mask.

You know what I mean? Like what the relationship is of hygiene theater versus relative, like recklessness because of hygiene theater. But also I think, and it's like kind of an interesting thing too, because it's a lot of it was good advice in the beginning. And then I think maybe whatever businesses took it to a certain point to have customers feel good.

But I mean, I know personally, if I saw a guy in a hazmat suit pressure wash a bench and was like all good you can sit down now yeah i wouldn't be like no thanks i'd be like thank you sir thank you thank you very much for your service because i would feel bad that he had to come to work in that yeah now it seems like we don't even have to do that uh because what's like the transmission rate was something really low like one in ten thousand possibly yeah they think it's not from surfaces like as they looked into

you know super spreader events and like the dynamics and who caught it from who uh it just seems like it's almost exclusively airborne right and this this jerk uh jose luis jimenez who is apparently an atmospheric chemist whatever the fuck that is uh-huh was saying that if we took half the effort that's being given to disinfection and we put it on ventilation, that would be a huge shift. People would be getting less sick. But you can't see clean air.

You can't see clean air. You can see people cleaning their hands. Yes. That's why the happening didn't go well. That's why that movie was a flop. Or you have like human powered ventilation systems for people to connect the dots like oh yeah those people are on those bikes to

help ventilate and that's the new equivalent because i can see that i can see the work being done now i feel better but yeah we just get the just clean the fucking air man yeah or get really loud ventilation systems that have like a voice that's like ventilation on engaging yeah i don't know all right miles you've been putting in some thought uh into and by that i mean you read a new york magazine article yeah like this is a podcast so what i do is i will read a thing process it and be like, you know what I read recently? Do not appreciate that impression of me, but go ahead. I don't know who that was.

It was like Andy Rooney mixed with Tucker Carlson and Leno. Uh-huh. I think all together it was like the delivery. You guys seen that? So there's a piece in New York Magazine that sort of lays out the timeline for how we got this current crop of vaccines, Moderna, Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, etc. And they were all assembled around January 13th of 2020. And trials began about a month later. Just to read an excerpt from this article, quote,

In Massachusetts, the Moderna vaccine design took all of one weekend. It was completed before China had even acknowledged that the disease could be transmitted from human to human more than a week before the first confirmed coronavirus case in the United States. By the time the first American death was announced a month later, the vaccine had already been manufactured and shipped to the National Institutes of Health for the beginning of its phase one clinical trial. So meaning we had the vaccines the whole time like while people were dying yes and that's not to say like yo what the fuck we had the vaccine the whole time it's more about like obviously yes there needs to be safety the safety and efficacy studies are massively important

because even if you had something like one% reactions that that could have been fatal in the United States, that would have been 3 million people dead off the vaccine. So on some level, like, yes, we need to exercise caution. But this whole article sort of raises the question, like, could we have done things differently given the fact that we had we like we were kind of getting ahead of it? We had it and we were trying to test it like china they were already vaccinating their military in june of 2020 russia began rolling out their vaccine in august and there is definitely a sense of like risk avoidance that's healthy but when you also consider like the fda was authorizing things like hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir um like through emergency authorizations and they were

totally ineffective. And in the case of hydroxychloroquine actually very harmful, it makes you wonder like, how, how can we be, um, a little bit more aggressive with how we're trying to roll things out or get ahead of it. And maybe it's at least partially because i always go back to this article where somebody used the like crash analysis like how when how they explain air crashes after the fact and like look at every system that contributed to the crash and then like do a dive into like so how do we prepare or how do we keep these from happening next time and it was like so much of what they found was just like preventable trump administration shit right and even just like going to that like the fact that we got these late night infomercial cures out to the public before we got the actual vaccines it's like maybe we don't elect a scam artist yeah and not to say

like you know it it should have or absolutely could have been rolled out early i mean i think a lot of people will be asking questions given the amount of people who passed away yeah but i think that's where a lot of like in the science community they're really trying to take this as like they're you know this one person who was sort of commenting on the article was saying like the difference between what war warfare looked like in 1938 versus what it looked like in 1948 and knowing like you got to go through some shit like this to really figure out like oh we're absolute like we actually need to completely rearrange things and so one of the big things is like right now, there's a vaccine scientist at Mount Sinai Hospital who's saying, when you look at these pandemics or illnesses that go from

animal to human, like in terms of transmission, there are only a small number of ways for that to happen. And influenza and coronavirus are pretty much the biggest contributors. So there's a way to get ahead of it. And this expert was saying, well, you could address most of the risk of new pandemics by mapping and prepping vaccines for between 50 and 100 viruses. He says you could have banked vaccines for all of them at a cost between one and three billion dollars and saying, if you just have these 50 to 100 virus vaccines, you can get ahead of it start doing efficacy testing safety testing and then do what we're doing now which is sort of try and fine-tune it based on like you know now

the pharmaceutical companies are trying to figure out booster shots to keep up with mutations so at least if we have the groundwork done very quickly then we can sort of we can skip ahead to the steps that we really need to make the vaccine like tailor made to whatever illness is out there so it's just like a very it's a lot to think about but these are things that i had not really understood because for the longest time it was like we're waiting for a vaccine until we find the vaccine knowing it was that we were just trying to make sure that it was as safe as possible while many people passed away. But when you look at a lot of, you know,

like polio or other vaccines, they typically come at the end of the, you know, the cycle of the outbreak. Right. And this is, I would hope there's a moment like that. I mean,

versus like one, they could like sort of stop in its tracks being like polio. What? Oh, talk. No, we call that no Leo. Now with this vaccine,

no, it's going to take a little bit of time, yeah a lot of jonas salt quote there yeah jay salk in the building no leo um yeah it's it it is i think i think people i i'm definitely surprised to learn that they basically had the vaccine the whole the whole time and we're just testing it to to like I had some sense that was true, but I didn't realize that it was like locked in. Like how many of the vaccines that they tested were like did have negative reactions? I wonder, you know, like, yeah, I mean, yeah, they say that that process saved us from, but well, the,

the testing is necessary, you know, it's figuring out if it's safe. I think, I think we could have done a lot of things like in adjacent departments, you know, logistics, how we're going to distribute it i i think that could

have all been planned sooner and while there was a long timetable before the the vaccine got approved like we could have been better prepared to to actually ship it out and get it to people yeah i think this kind of goes along with even like the last story of hygiene theater is that it's also important for the science community to be as transparent yeah as possible too because you don't want to read some shit like they knew in january of 2020 like what the vaccine was and it's not that they knew but they were working on it very quickly but there's also something to saying like yeah like we had to make sure next time this is like what's going to happen or saying like hey we know we said

spray everything the fuck down we realize you know this is actually what's going on because i think that's also i think there are people who are willing to just trust the science community and others where a little bit more work has to be done because they're not as you know focused on what it means the process is of research where it's like more like the scientists are like hey we're the ones doing the work way out ahead so right in the process we learn shit and we realize some other shit we thought was true isn't that's just the scientific method but i think allowing for like that sort of transparency would just kind of also help build more trust not that i'm like i'm completely skeptical now but i think that's an important thing for the science community i think they're also coming to grips with that idea as well of

saying like there were things we got wrong there were things we didn't know and what can we also say like how can we communicate these things clearly so people understand where we're coming from in our research? Yeah, I think anytime you're doing this abstract thing or anytime you're doing this messaging thing where you're viewing the population as this abstract, like kind of herd of animals that you have to, like, get this messaging, you know, hide certain things and reveal certain things i i think that that is based on the myth that undergirds like all of american society which is this like elitism that's like well only the people who went to ivy league schools can uh be in handle what we'd say right and so we have to be the only ones who know it and it's it's actually just like a self-justifying like bullshit you know it's a way to kind of keep the logic of american capitalism intact and it's it's actually really harmful like it people if you tell the truth just like tell the people what what is actually happening like you're to have much better results. But it just seems like doing that undercuts everything they want to believe and tell themselves about how elitism works. line too between like encouraging you know best practices and then going overkill with that sort

of paranoia uh hand sanitizer in every corner because the more like the more visible that stuff is and the more everybody shoves down your throat hey wipe down all your groceries wash your hand like that's gonna cause so much burnout right yeah when when we are all vaccinated and there hasn't been any new cases people are gonna be like well fuck hand sanitizer for the rest of my life right there was that point there's a point early on and even the hygiene theater piece kind of from the ap talks about this. They got it wrong at first. They were like, wipe your groceries down. Don't waste masks if you're not a frontline worker.

And then at a certain point, they were like, oh, shit, we got that totally wrong. But yeah, there wasn't that, oh, shit, we got that. That should have been the headline on the New York Times. Oh, shit, we had it totally wrong. We acknowledge that. We're figuring this out as we go. And just not putting that right out in front and assuming that you are handling... It's this whole PR thing. It's like, well, how do we message that we got it totally wrong? It's like, just say you got it wrong and that we're now now fixing that we're reacting to new information and just assume that people can fucking deal with that uh because anytime you're like hiding it or

soft peddling it or like doing something some sort of like jujitsu with the with the facts it opens it up to you know the other side suspicion or whatever administration being able to manipulate shit and actually lie about it it's because they treat us like kids yeah so it's like how your parents only tell you some shit about drugs growing up and you're right oh really oh really yeah and you start getting around you're like man they didn't know shit about what the fuck were they talking about because they were just trying to protect you or whatever yeah and i think that similar relationship of like not giving everybody the truth and being like well we need to say this in order to sort of keep this certain behavior up also isn't a good relationship to have with like the mat like you know the masses

and the science community not to say that it's all bad because yeah i get it like they also don't want to undermine themselves by unfortunately saying like, we got that wrong. And because they know that will, in some people's eyes, undermine their expertise, while other people who, you know, understand what experimentation works and research is that it's something that's evolving over time. It could have also been a straight up priority thing. Like they were like, well, let them have their hand sanitizer we're too busy telling people not to drink bleach right yeah there weren't a lot of great options early on because then i guess it's like a parent who's like okay we have our one kid we really love who's smart and gets it knows what science is then we got that other fucking kid right who if we get one thing wrong they're gonna be eating tide pods again right so we got to split

the difference and just give blanket guidance that we know if they follow this at the very least that will mitigate some sort of transmission risk but yeah yeah it's tough and i'm sure there's legal liabilities that are like beyond our understanding but like that's just a it's the our culture like things like that have become so complex that it's just like we we do at a certain point just be like tell it tell people the truth they can they can deal with it yeah but even though we're in a post-truth era it's like fuck no truth but i mean this seems like one where it was pretty clear-cut like in terms of the the pandemic and like what just like get get the information to people in as quickly and as in and in as straightforward a manner as possible or they like could could frame it in a different way rather than saying like hey we were wrong

about this like right like guess what due to new information we've got yeah we're announcing fuck hand sanitizer day yeah or just throw your hand sanitizer i think the difference is not saying right or wrong and using that binary but you're learning right we are learning we have been struck with an a virus that has not been known to us and we are learning about it as time goes on we have now learned that the initial analysis that we thought that there could be surface transmission is actually it's okay now that's what we have learned now uh are you guys gonna be masked people going forward like when you fly on an airplane are you gonna bring a mask rock a mask i feel like i'm gonna be masks from here on out well what do you mean like

why like oh just because like thinking that the pandemic is over therefore cast your masks off yeah be free yeah oh no i mean i just think it's seems like good practice yeah on an airplane given that there are mutations yeah all over the place sick every single time i fly like that's right exactly and like i think the few times i get like i've been gotten really sick it's been from air travel right yeah um so and i'm like what i need a mask for meanwhile there's like someone just with a whose fever sweat is like getting all over the back of my head and i'm like yeah one other kind of way that uh vaccine response is being complicated uh that we're we're seeing in canada um so canada is actually to our writer uh jm mcnabb is uh you know lives in canada

and for most of the uh he's canadian yeah lives in canada and, I don't want to out him. You don't want to admit him. Yeah. Come on, man. How do I say this? He's located in Canada. His physical location is Canada. How do I say this? He's like a Blue Jays fan. If you catch my drift.

Smells of maple. You're right. smells of maple but he's pointing out that like the tables have turned of late and now the CDC has issued a level 4 travel advisory warning people from the US to stay

the fuck out of Canada and a big part of the reason is because of just a really fucked vaccine rollout. And it's also like he doesn't explicitly call this out, but there seems to be a lot of ways in which they suffer from some of the same issues we have where um you know they used to have these big factories uh in the 70s that would have been great at producing vaccines and just like getting things off the ground and then they because they didn't like make money during non-pandemic years sell it off sold it off. out so well uh when your society is hit with a big like unexpected pandemic it's also like

unfortunate too because for all the things that as americans are like oh man like fuck yeah canada like do that shit like you know set the prices of drugs you know like so it's not you're not people aren't getting gouged that like also unfortunately had the the fucking the effect of pharmaceutical companies being like i don't we don't want to fuck with canada because they're all like trying to advocate for their people so it was like because of that right yeah it's just like a really fucked up relationship but where that's where you know big pharma will sort of lash out because you're trying to ensure equitable outcomes for your citizens yeah that's right i'll look forward to that i told you so finger wag from people against universal health care what happened

with canada crudo pitched the idea of manufacturing the pfizer vaccine in canada but the company wanted to move as fast as the speed of science would allow uh and canada lacked the necessary capacity to manufacture the vaccine uh in quantities i mean it's it's basically what we said before because they had factories that weren't profitable and didn't you know stay in business yeah uh through the 70s and 80s i mean yeah it's just like it it has so many layers uh of the ills of our modern world on it too where you can if you're a uh progressive person you'd be like oh yeah oh what the fuck that what the fuck big pharma which i think is the the cry of most people on this planet and then just kind of underlining the fact that even a huge nation like Canada then becomes dependent on these like external providers of the vaccine and how that can exacerbate their vaccine rollout. And just us in the US being like, no, we're keeping all the vaccine.

Yeah, yeah. Potentially, that's's i mean which is also another very american saying fuck everybody else it's ours although we did we did loan them some vaccines i think was the word yeah they just have to give it back to us give the vaccines back to us okay you're done with that in this bowl later all right let's take another quick break and we'll be right back to talk some Matt Gates. The subject that keeps on giving. Lock the gates! In 1982, Atari players had one thing on their minds.

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Well, that's a great question. Some people are like, yeah, I think so. It just looks it's as it's almost as if he knew what was going on. He almost it's as if he knew the person he was and the liability that he faced. Because two weeks after the election, Gates was just out there saying, you got to pardon fucking everybody before the radical left gets their claws in you. And it's like, what? And Matt Gates said, quote, he should pardon the Thanksgiving turkey.

He should pardon everyone from himself to his administration officials, you know, to Joe Exotic if he has to. And I was like, what the fuck? Okay, so you want everyone pardoned for everything? And I mean, it felt like, okay, that just seems like a very normal Fox News-y kind of take of just sort of like fear of the left now. Yeah, trigger the lips yeah yeah but then you find out uh in this other this new piece in the new york times says quote in the final weeks of mr trump's term mr gates sought something in return he privately asked the white house for blanket preemptive pardons for himself and unidentified congressional allies for any crimes that may have been committed oh

like if they download avengers like if they torrent it right right right that's probably what he had on mind it's almost like he uh knew that he had committed these crimes almost i mean according to you know of the timeline of this investigation it may have it sounds like it may have began sometime in the summer of 2020 so he may have known he may have been sweating for quite a bit of time and when you just sort of look at his behavior throughout trump's term it really kind of looks like because you're like damn matt gates is doing the fucking most right now just to get on his good side. Although everyone was like, yeah, he's probably racist like all of them. Yeah, probably that too.

But also a sycophant who had like eyes on something maybe down the road to really align himself with Trump. Because if you remember, he threatened Michael Cohen and like they referred it to the Florida bar because they're like, this is witness intimidation. He remember he stormed the fucking skiff during the first um impeachment hearing uh when there's a testimony with all those other idiot congress people and they ordered pizza and shit to completely disrupt the hearing he regularly made an ass out of himself debasing himself at the feet of trump which got him a lot of face time you know what i mean like his Like his status came up because it seemed like his formula was the more I ride for Trump, the closer I'm going to get to him. And now my star is going up.

And it was, I think a lot of other people in Congress, like what the, where'd this motherfucker come from? Right. Because he was doing a lot to get on Trump's good side. And I just wanted, there's this in the New York Times article. They have an excerpt from Matt Gaetz's book. Which I think again shows you just how close he wanted to be to Trump. This is from Matt Gaetz's book that he wrote. Quote.

The president has called me when I was in my car. Asleep in the middle of the night. On my Longworth office cot. On the throne. On airplanes. In nightclubs. And even in the throes of passion? Yes, I answered.

That's important, too, because that was a school night. Yeah. Boy, Jesus Christ. I mean, like, what the fuck? This guy, I mean, he's really, I think you're seeing sort of this relationship and what he was looking for. So, yeah, it doesn't look, you don't look very innocent sir and now he's trying to like fundraise off of the um uh like you know these investigations like he's sending out to his

like constituents being like the radical like a legal defense fund or just i don't even know like it doesn't even matter it's gonna go straight to his pocket anyway so whatever they call it it's just theirs but he i mean unless he gets uh actually prosecuted like he doesn't really have any incentive it seems like you know the cuomo playbook seems to be pretty successful like i i'd be surprised if he actually steps down unless he's actually indicted. Indicted. Yeah. No, I mean, why would it seems like the same with Cuomo is just going to be like, yeah, what?

Okay. Well, yeah, there's a calculus to it. It's like if I have a certain amount of support or whatever, and the alternatives don't seem as appealing, then I'll just deny, deny, deny, and I'll get through the bad press. And then i can still you know stay in office and be an absolute violator yeah all right let's talk about ketchup thank god finally am i right uh we are experiencing a nationwide ketchup shortage uh which you know it makes sense i felt like it was only a matter of time because they're

in my opinion there's only one good brand of ketchup and you know that that creates a uh uh i'm gonna go ahead and say a bottleneck oh wow where uh-huh you should have tapped to the 57 then yeah i guess america should have tapped the 57 but yeah. Yeah. I guess America should have tapped the 57. But yeah. So what, why, how is the pandemic causing? There's so many,

like it's all the band. Okay. So first of all, when sit down restaurants essentially became takeout restaurants, that just made individual ketchup packets. The go-to condiment that people, you were sending people off with second because of the precautions even if you had some form of dining they were saying you know let's avoid having shared condiment bottles on tables just to keep everything as sanitary as possible give people

packets don't allow them to put their fork or knife or whatever in a ketchup bottle and then like leave that for the next customer and to keep going yeah is robbing us of ketchup so there are other things because of this packet prices have gone up 13 because the demand is so high the demand for packets was already up by 40 in july of last year and it's only been trending upward and a lot of restaurants have been you know not doing well because like you're saying jack craft heinz is the is it's the best ketchup oh we got and um a lot of the like this research firm was saying because of that heinz holds nearly 70 percent of the market for like the ketchup market because it's just acknowledge of that and because of its large share that's what's fucking up like the entire condiment sort of industry when it comes to ketchup because they're the biggest one and they're now like heinz is full-on create like

in an emergency mode creating like additional manufacturing lines to help keep up with demand because at the end of the day what this all means is nobody likes hunts ketchup right yeah it just doesn't have that tang so you're saying that i am sitting on a gold mine in my kitchen drawer yeah oh yeah yeah this is exactly what my uh korean mother-in-law has been preparing us for for decades right this is the big one folks it's like breaking glass and pulling a lever the they call me bad it sounds very similar to what uh caused the toilet paper shortage is that it's pretty much

the same type of the same level of consumption is taking place. It's just different delivery mechanisms and delivery manufacturing chains. So like the toilet paper that was in public places that were no longer open or public restrooms that people were no longer using, all that toilet paper was no longer necessary and everybody needed, you know, the take home kind.

And this is just basically that for ketchup. You need the take home kind and not the public consumption kind. Yeah. But if you were a G, you were out there stealing toilet paper from public restrooms. Right. I mean, yeah. You know, or if you're your smart you're taking handfuls at the burger stand getting ready oh yeah but it's funny because yeah right well that's the

other thing is that like a lot of companies have shifted to just like trying to buy it like just boxes of it and then putting them in smaller containers to still be able to give because people a lot of these restaurants like there are a few interviews like bar like sports bar tavern type places whose main you know dishes fries and burgers yeah they're like and like this one owner was like there's no way i could have sent anything but heinz out with the food like i just didn't and for the years that this place has been open it's always been heinz and like it was just funny also reading how like restauranteurs were like having this ideological thing of like i'm not gonna like give people annies or some other weird shit it's gotta be spit on the burger right yeah people are totally fine with is pepsi okay right right oh man i've come to i i'm at the point now where i

will just get a regular pepsi over if they ask me if Diet Pepsi is okay. That's how much I don't like Diet Pepsi. It's so much worse than Diet Coke. I will give myself diabetes over drinking Diet Pepsi. I mean, yeah. Well, look, to each their own. I still like caffeine-free Diet Pepsi in a gold can. Yeah, that's the best.

I love that flavor our lunch because it's not like you always drank that was like it's called brown water like she hated the fact that she had to drink it the gold can though it was like a flex to me oh yeah shout out nana mcmahon you know my friends my homies grandmother who always had that in the refrigerator i'm like yo this shit pop it bro i never had in the gold can but all so it does seem like we are headed for a next month or so where most people where the most people in america are going to be getting vaccinated especially in our listener group um like i i signed up yesterday for a just to get like notified when i would be able to do it with the city of los angeles uh it seems like people are like taking those

sorts of steps to be like oh wow this might actually be a reality very soon so miles you put together just like kind of some notes on based on like how people have reacted to the yeah vaccine to this point like what and just in general like yeah because uh you know a lot of people like as as it just opens up but you see more and more anecdotes of people like yo the fucking first one floored me or the second one floored me yeah i hear the second one more often but yeah and it all depends and i mean all the there's certain certain traits or whatever your physiology that uh sort of determines those things but there are just like uh you know a couple things to like keep in mind first of all that those side effects are completely normal so don't think like oh my god what's happening it's because your body it's

activating your immune system and you're like downloading new software to your immune system being like this is this the motherfucker you're trying to protect meet meet covet 19 and it's like your body's just reading the dossier so yeah your might your body might be reacting but you know what that's a good sign because that means your immune system is responding um but then there's other other questions, can you get out? Can you drink alcohol is one. I think a lot of people just in general, like has been out there and yes, you can drink alcohol.

There's a few, you can check out the articles in the footnotes, but one of these experts saying, yes, you can drink alcohol. It doesn't, the vaccine does not, there's no interaction between alcohol and the vaccine itself, but also take it easy. Don't, don't't don't also just like go on a bend just because you can drink doesn't mean you can get but yeah okay you got to take it easy because at the end of the day your body is going through a full-on process so here's some things you should do for nausea get the uh the the ginger tea or ginger ginger candy whatever

whatever you need for your stomach that's a great thing um do not do anything like fast or anything drastic like juicing or a detox i miss that again your body's going through a process and you want to hydrate as much as possible hydrate yourself with healthy fluids and they said if you want to even get ahead of it they said this one uh doctor was saying if you had a diet like sort of mediterranean diet that was more like anti-inflammatory and focused on that you can a like the response to the vaccine uh has shown to be better in other like vaccine studies and also may help you with you know those little things like the headaches um and other shit that can

come along with the vaccine now have they are there any findings around if you smoke a cigarette after getting the vaccine, will it pack in a bigger buzz? It depends on how you smoke it. That's true of giving blood. So I always rush outside to smoke a couple cigs. If you can power hit it. And if you remember, the power hit is where you put it between your pinky and your ring finger knuckle and then you pop that against your other hand

and you just mainline nicotine shut up tell my power hitters out there of cigarettes who tried to get a cheap buzz uh you should produce anahosnia just saying yeah overall though don't be partying on the vaccine because at the end of the day you want to keep your uh immune system up you know what i mean at the end of the day take care of yourself use this as a time to if you have the you know uh ability to to just go easy and stay hydrated what do they say about um licking doorknobs because once I get my second Fauci-Auchi, I'm going to go ham. Some doorknobs. I've seen your TikTok

where it's just Eye of the Tiger and you're at a Home Depot licking all the doorknobs on display. And you're like, getting ready for season. Colonial one in my mouth. Oh, here's a glass one. Love those. Yeah, I mean... oh here's a glass one love those um yeah i mean there's a lot of things that are that are going to be possible for for a lot of us even yeah mine's just been the idea i was saying this on 420 day fiance with sofia i really just want to eat corn on the cob in a crowd. Yeah. In a crowd. Just for whatever, very specifically that feeling of having like elote or some kind of big corn on just some corn cob.

I have people walking by me. I have no mask on. Feels like just about the level of freedom I'm ready for right now. Crash a funeral. Thank you. He lived how he died. He died how he lived. Eating corn on the cob.

Eating corn on the cob in a crowd. Before we move on to the next story i do just want to say don't don't don't smoke after giving blood uh you can get the same effect from just spinning around doing spinny bad it just makes you dizzy uh naked naked teens bad uh yeah quick tip quick quick tip but yeah also or hit a pack of filterless marlboro reds i do want to say it because i like started smoking when i was like a teenager because i thought it looked cool and uh look we were products of the 80s and 90s yeah fought fought that thing for decades yeah also just i mean people like the the range of responses seems to be like anything

from like a, a really bad like ache, like on at the injection spot, like can't sleep on that side of your body all the way to my wife when she got the second dose was like, had a, it seems like a pretty bad flu for, uh, 24 hours hours and was like didn't want to tell anyone including me because she knew that i'd be like i'm not getting the vaccine no i'm just joking i told you it was at that point where like the vaccine was very early because she's a physician so like she didn't want to like say anything to anyone about it, like making her feel sick. Right, right, right. See, and that's the thing.

That's the problem. Now we know why the scientists too are like, fuck, you know, because you don't. So because zombie blood. Oh, you feel sick. What? I thought I was supposed to protect you from the flu. And you say you have the flu. Oh, see.

I'm just tired of seeing children be injured. It's not how it works, idiot. Right. All right. Let's talk really briefly about just where we're at in terms of the glut of blockbusters that are just stored up in Hollywood vaults right now. Backed up, huh? Backed up. Hollywood is backed up, baby.

Oh, no. And Scott Mendelsohn, one of my favorite writers on like the movie industry used the did you guys see the ghostbusters afterlife like teaser with the little stay puffed marshmallow the baby yoda yeah he was like well they should move up their release like and maybe that's what this symbolizes is that they're like testing the waters but now that king kong verse godzilla did like a really good uh a robust business last week uh he's like there's now like all this unused real estate between now and the memorial day when people aren't dropping movies that they could use to release movies like Ghostbusters Afterlife.

And there's just so many. James Bond has been in the can so long that they're having to update his clothes to make him look less dated. Oh, no. It's like the phone, right? Yeah, the phone. There's product placement. And whatever phone they use, like, oh, we're like three models past that him a new haircut because like he's got like the flock of seagulls it's been in the can for so long um but it does i don't know it it's also

like hollywood as we've talked about in the past hollywood is definitely not like a optimal like logic machine a lot of it is studio executives realizing that if they release a movie that is a big flop they will get fired and so they tend to be more uh conservative and but that unfortunately that fucks like people who are actors or, you know, crew and aren't just movies aren't getting made. Uh, right. Because they have the past two years of blockbusters that they're just sitting on.

Um, but I would like to see this ghostbusters movie. This is the first time that I've given a shit about it. And that's because of the cute marshmallow people oh that's the whole point stabbing each other and burning yeah so that's the thing is that they're cannibalistic and like it's just and like laughing why as they're being like eaten so there's like a real demonic like wait the little stay puff people are cannibals? Yeah, they're cannibals. They're like a group of them? They're smorzing each other.

They're roasting each other with big smiles on their face as they're being like, oh, wow. You see one being like burned over a grill while the other one's holding the skewer and the one of them is sliding down the skewer while its lower half is burning. Melting. Oh, wow. Yeah. And Paul Rudd is flummoxed. Oh, it's Paul Rudd?

Yeah, Paul Rudd is the lead. This also seems like something that they shot just to, that they were like, okay, as a response to Baby Yoda, we will be creating this specifically for a trailer. No, that's 100% in the movie. You think there's a... That's 100% in the movie. It opens with him being like, huh, mocha almond fudge. Just like a long shot of him going ice cream shopping.

It's like there's no way that this advances any part of the plot at all what's happening uh but you know hopefully those little stay puff babies are in there because i love them and yeah and then just in terms of uh streaming there's some kind of big shows shows that uh of big shows shows that uh nielsen says are being like streamed as much as like anything over the course of the pandemic that just nobody's talking about because i think we just don't really they because netflix doesn't like treat each release and like even ahead of time doesn't know what's gonna hit you know these shows that are probably being watched as much as like desperate housewives when that first hit

right and do you guys remember that like being a moment in culture where like all anyone talked about was desperate housewives yeah wisteria yeah i never watched the show and i feel like i know what happens in that show because the first season was like such a phenomenon. Yeah. And then it set off the real housewives reality thing like it. That shit. Fuck. Huge influence to the point where passively I'm like, yeah, Wisteria Lane where they live.

Yeah, but I've never seen the show. Yeah, I know the name of their street and never, never watched a single moment of an actual episode. But there's a show called Ginny in Georgia, which is like about a sexually empowered single mother, her mixed race daughter, like moving to a new town. uh it's i don't know it's my uh i didn't watch the whole thing but i saw parts of it and it just seems like it's the sort of thing that if it were released on abc today would be a hit and people are just uh there's also the show virgin river uh that seems to be very similar i forget the name of that show but but we reviewed it. It was a movie about a woman who moved to a farm. No, it wasn't Katie Holmes, but it might as well have been. And she's getting a divorce and moves to a farm with her kids.

It has Josh Duhamel, and he is an anti-vaxxer and a uh oh no it's not josh dumail it has has one of those hunks and uh the the male lead is like a uh the apocalypse he's like an apocalypse prepper um anyways virgin river is about like a city girl from los angeles who goes to be a nurse in like a small town so it's like got that same. It's a it's a holiday movie premise. Yes, very much so. That's a that's what holiday movies are. Person from the big city goes to little town and learns what it means to live simply. OK, I mean, it's the thing.

Even with Ginny and Georgia, I just it you know, these shows are big because they don't leave the top 10 whenever i fire up netflix and they say do you want to continue formula one drive to survive i say yes but what else is cracking right now oh jenny and georgia is also on there okay i see you but yeah it for me it always takes like critical mass of like four people plus anna hosnier to tell me to watch it and then i I'm like, all right, fine. It's nailed on. Here we go.

Anna Hosni might be the most influential streamer in America. Cause once she's onto something, it's a, can we do like, can we do like, like bets, like, like big bets on like popularity as a shows,

you know, based on that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Stream whisper Anna. Yeah. 10,000 down on Ginny and George's season two, man. I think he's going to do numbers.

Let me just find the name of this damn show. Season two is going to flop. It's going to flop. Where's Regé-Jean? The show we were talking about was The Lost Husband. And it was Leslie Bibb. And it was Josh Duhamel as the apocalypse prepper. But it was interesting that somebody who would ultimately be,

would have ultimately raided the Capitol on January 6th is the male lead of that show. But was busy learning to love again. He learned to love the country again. Stephen, as always, such a pleasure having you, man. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram, Wilbur with an E. If you can't spell it, I don't want you to follow me i still have my my uh my debut my first debut album 16

bits is out to listen to if you want on a spotify or pandora i guess uh or you could buy it who cares um yeah that's it a nod to the original sega gen Nintendo 16-bit. That's right. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Man, I was going through it, and I was not loving anything. And then Kevin O'Shea at O'Shea Computer said, Seattle a bet what cities above Tacoma that got me Seattle a bet what cities

that's pretty good oh Miles where can people find you what's a tweet you've been enjoying Twitter, Instagram, Miles of Grey also 420dayfiance oh I've got some tweets I'm liking and I'm loving them. First one is from DJ Fuck at Eggshell Friend says,

My grandpa saw you across the bar and we love your vibe. Can we inherit your chocolate factory? Another one is from, this is Killer Meg at Horse underscore Feedback., tweeting, any beer under 5% is fine to give to children. Yeah. Yeah, that tracks. Dan Coys, K-O-I-S, tweeted, this interview absolutely delivers. It's from Slate. And the first is the title.

It says, an interview with the guy who yells, Mortal Kombat, in the theme for Mortal Kombat. Nearly three decades later, he's still got it and they still at it they go down in the interview he just doesn't excerpt up this one part says i see uh will you do it over the phone and the guy says would i do it over the phone absolutely let's hear it and it's just in text mortal combat with an exclamation point but the guy hit him with the mortal combat scream and you love it and then finally uh this one just felt right for everything we talked about aj at akumar underscore ftw tweeted i faced more peer pressure in my life to start animes than do drugs yeah that's yeah that's right yeah that's that's the realest shit i think on the internet right

now i've tried to start attack on titan so many times and i'm just not i guess i'm just not cool uh in keeping with steven the theme of steven's uh tweet aodoc2c's tweeted call me zach because i don't know what the F wrong with me. Yes, sir. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook

fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we recommend you go check out. Miles, what song should people be checking out?

Man, if you remember, we had Illingsworth from Detroit on the show last week. And another, I've just been listening, I hope y'all have been listening too, I hope you've been supporting him, but this is another Illingsworth track called Ever Hard E-V-E-R-H-A-R-D and I'm just I look if you like that

sample based hip hop you know if you're a Dilla fan if you like just really choppy sample instrumental stuff and he can rhyme too you gotta keep listening to our boy Illingsworth so check this track out do it the Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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