The Daily Zeitgeist - Icon #15 - Bart Simpson: The Yellow King

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to this spin-off episode of DirtyElees Zeitgeist, which we're calling the iconograph, instead of looking at the zeitgeist through current events on Monday mornings, we're looking at the Zykeyes through the Psycheyes through the Psychevice,

through the powerful pop culture horroxes that are our icons. We use these icons to create meaning. Meaning. To build identity. Identity. To learn whether or not to have a cow. This is the part I don't know.

Oh, to learn whether or not to get bent. Yes, do. And to learn that there's nothing in this world you can't do if you are yellow with a unique silhouette. See SpongeBob, the minions, Tweedy Bird, Pikachu. and our icon this week.

That's right. It's a BART episode. We're talking about Bartholomew Jojo Simpson, born in 1987, at age nine, and never got a day older. Making him the envy of people with Peter Pan syndrome, by the way, everywhere.

Michael Jackson would go on to Ghostwrite the song Do the Bartman and use him in the black or white video. But yeah, never, never aged, perpetually nine years old. Wait, Bart Simpson is in the black or white video? Yeah.

Or at least he introduced the video on Fox. Oh, on Fox. Oh, okay. And then he introduced it, which then goes into McCauley Calkin, doing an introduction to the video. It's like double layers of Bart Simpson. Because I do have a theory that McCauley Calkin is essentially live action Bart Simpson.

Okay. It was part of the same. Rascal energy. Rascal. Rascal mania. It was fucking rascal mania in America. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Hey, everybody throw your four fingers in the air.

Like you a Matt Greaning character. That's right. Oh, man, yes. Unless you're on the cover of one of the video games that was released in Japan, where they gave them a fifth finger. Don't do that. For Yakuza? Was it Yakuza based?

That was one thing. That's one of the rumors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you, you know, that's like a, are you down test for the Yakuza? I was like, then lop off a finger. So that you're so ashamed for your mistake. So anyway. That happened to every,

canonically, that happened to every single character in the world of the Simpsons. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a comedian, actress, musician, writer,

writer on the new Netflix show Striplaw, which looked very funny, author behind poems I wrote while taking a shit and cry for me, Argentina. My life is a failed child star.

Please welcome back to the show, the hilarious, the talented. Tomorrow you here! Tam, Tom, Tom, tell him. Eat my shorts. Fuck, yeah. We're joined by Bart Simpson himself.

We've never done an icon episode where the icon was in the recording with us. People who don't know, Tam just punched her nose to do it. And I think just talk normally. And I spit all over the computer while trying to do. Because in my mind, I was going to sound just like Bart Simpson, but I sounded like one of Santa's elves when I, did that in person.

You're not in Simpson. It was pretty good. We are, first of all, we're entering new territory because up to this point, we have had a recurring question on these icon episodes, which is, if they were real

and alive today, would they appear on the Epstein list? Would they be in the Epstein files? This is our first icon who does appear in the Epstein files. Bart Simpson is in there. What? too. Bart Simpson.

Bart the Simpson is in there, as is his creator, Matt Grainning. Wow. But Bart himself shows up in there. On the flight logs? No, but like registered in having to do with the Matt Gaining story, we suspect. Actually, I'll just fucking get to it right now.

Let's just get to it right now. I'm not going to do the local news thing and just keep more at 11, guys. But basically, this doesn't go to 11. Matt Grainning was on the Lolita Express, had his feet massaged by Virginia Jufrey. Oh, oh. She's on the record being like, his toes are nasty. And also is on the record saying that he, in thanks for giving him, world's nastiest foot rub, drew her a picture of Bart Simpson and Homer Simpson, her two favorite.

characters and there are kind of cool. It is very cool, but they are you know, filed as evidence in the Epstein files. So his like, thank you like sketches are evidence.

Are part of the Epstein files. Was he accused of like any anything aside from having nasty feet? Not that we know of Miles. I mean, he got a foot rub. That's kind of. Yeah. He got a foot rub from one of the child victims. Yeah.

There's a lot of wild. There's a lot of weird shit. I mean, we've already talked about the Michael Jackson thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's not great. It's not great. Just wanted to,

but it is a question that we do ask pretty frequently. Yeah. I guess, but let's put it in a, in a vacuum. Would Bart the character of Bart Simpson in the universe of the Simpson? When we flash forward to

the future of Bart Simpson in the Simpsons, he's usually, not doing great. He's not, he's not doing well enough to be hanging around with the oligarchs. To be hanging with oligarchs except for the episode where Lisa was president, right? In which case, he's a deadbeat who can give you access to Lisa. Yeah, yeah. He's probably going to give you, he's probably going to at least be approached.

But my overall thought on Bart is that he is, he has a heart of gold. I don't know, you guys. I'm going to argue that he gives Steve. Bannon a little bit. Bart gives Steve Bannon? Old Bart. Older Bart. Oh, older Bart. Visually, they are giving

Steve Bannon in a way that seems almost pointed. Hey, Bannon, this is you. Oh, shit, it is. The fuck? But yeah, in a vacuum, tough to say, but he would be,

I don't know, we've done a lot of hypothetical you know, fictional characters. I'd probably put him somewhere between Einstein and Miss Piggy, you know, on the likelihood to actually be on there. Maybe a little bit higher. Sherlock would definitely have been on there.

We didn't get to that in the episode, but Sherlock Holmes definitely, just based on, he was so fond of himself, so sure of his own bullshit logic. He definitely would have been like, and he had like a special, like, microdose cocaine injection formula. So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Crazy high on drugs. Yeah, I think there's a 75% of Bart. Wow. Wow. Yeah. That's high. I mean, he's in there. Like, let's just do that. He's in there. He's based on somebody who was on the fucking plane getting his feet rubbed. So. Oh, man. Okay. I will say, just going back over the rise and not really fall of Bart Simpson, the character, he's kind of a cross between

like a timeless icon who like never goes away such as a Sherlock Holmes and the overnight craze that does disappear like Urkel like I couldn't because Bart Simpson was a craze for like the four of the Simpsons

he was a merchandising craze he was everywhere he was on the cover of magazines like of Time magazine Rolling Stone it was just Like, the Simpsons was that show with Bart Simpson. I was like, you know, the way, the way family matters was the Urkel show. The Simpsons was the Bart show.

And then it, like, I can't think of a similar cultural phenomenon where you have someone who's like a breakout, zeitgeist-defining overnight sensation that fades from the spotlight, but then remains a load-bearing part of a timeless classic, you know? And when the fat of like Bart himself kind of started to dwindle, I feel like bootleg Bart took over too. Oh, bootleg Bart was, I mean, bootleg Bart was everywhere right away. And still everywhere. One of my favorite Instagram accounts.

Yes. Yeah. But just his overall trajectory of the first couple years, I was trying to think of like corollary. It'd be like if Beatlemania kicked off with a year of just like mainly Ringo mania. And then people were like actually we're tired of Ringo, but the whole band kind of rips. Like, you know? Right. I mean, Bart is not the Ringo of the Simpsons necessarily. No, no, no. But like, yeah, he's not like the driving force behind what people went on to love about the Simpsons. I would know. I mean, I was thinking about that. I'm like Homer is to me. Or at least he was the favorite to write because he's the funniest.

He's got the funniest jokes. He's got my favorite like indelible moments. Bart, even like my favorite Bart moments are like kind of tangentially Bart. Like they're not driven like the Bart and Fink thing. Do you know the Bart and Fink where they're like we're sneaking into an R rated movie? Bart and Fink. Like that's just him kind of seeing that, you know.

or like Bart leading Homer to do funny shit. Like I just watched the Indiana Jones part where he like, it's like Homer chasing Bart through this like Indiana Jones type situation. And like it's it's Homer that I'm always laughing. Yeah. But I think because like Bart is Matt reigning, right? Like that was his character. That's him.

Mm-hmm. Is why I think of him as the main character. Right. So let's get, let's get into the invention of Bart the rocket ship rise to fame and then eventual

being supplanted by the dad who always abused him everyone's like actually we like the guy's always beating the shit out of you know how like better is Joe Jackson super problematic way but yeah you're right Bart is based on Matt

graining he came up with the iconic Simpsons characters while waiting to meet with James L. Brooks. James L. Brooks, you know, famous movie producer, you know, as good as it gets was the big one from when I was young. But, like, I mean, he made, like, network. He made, like, so many great movies. And he was the producer on The Simpsons.

And he was going in, Matt Grayne was going in to pitch a show based on his life in hell comic strip. and he's sitting in the lobby and he realizes he didn't want to give up the rights to those characters so he draws in the lobby a cartoon family and is like

what are my parents' names and what are my sister's names Homer, Margaret, Lisa, and Maggie those are, that's his family. I had no idea. Holy shit. He wanted to keep them the stupid bunny characters.

He wanted to keep the life in hell bunny rights. It's insane. He was like, I'm not going to name it Matt because that would be too obvious that I'm fucking phoning this in. So he changed it. He did Bart as an anagram for brat. He was like,

this kid's going to be a little asshole. That's the one thing I know. And so he did Bart. So the rest of the family is the same names. Same names. Yeah. That'd be so far. Yeah.

My husband's science teacher in elementary school, was Lisa Graining. Whoa. Like the actual, the actual Lisa, the, and she was a science teacher, she wasn't the president?

She was the science or some teacher. Like, I think it was science, right? Yeah, that's cool. That's fucking so weird. And I think she's married

to the creator of Doug. Oh, really? I think so. Yeah. Anyways. But that's so nuts. Yeah.

His name's, God. God. God. God. God. Good serious I mean

Patty Mayne has kind of had Lisa Simpson hair too right Didn't she have like kind of blonde hair that kind of went out? Yeah yeah A lot of volume. He was into blondes with a lot of volume in their hair. I do just want to,

this is something that we've come up against in past icon episodes with Elvis in particular where he invented the persona of Elvis while fucking around. Like he had been in the studio failing to do shit for two days. Like they were like, this is, it's boring as hell, man. And then he started like riffing this like silly voice, like, where he was like, oh, oh, oh, fuck, fucking, ducky. And they were like that, man, like started

like picking up behind him. Like the, uh, I think you should leave a sketch. They were just like, keep going with that, man. Um, but I think there's something to this idea of just like, people needing to get out of their own way in order to make their, like, when they have time to think about it for too long and then give that idea, whatever they've like spent days thinking about, they're already like 3,738 thoughts deep on the subject and just like in terrain that's going to be incomprehensible to someone encountering that thing for the first time, you know?

Yeah. Right. what you know, which is so cheesy, but it's so fucking true. Yeah. Just do the easy thing. Like, that's also the thing. Like Sherlock Holmes was like, he was like, I can write this shit in my sleep and therefore I resent having to write it.

And it's like, don't resent it. Just like do the thing that everybody loves when you're doing it. Right. Isn't that cool, though, that you're making money in your fucking sleep, dude? Yeah, shut the fuck up. Yeah, why don't you shut the fuck up? Other examples of people like, kind of being forced to do things quickly.

And, you know, Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein overnight as part of a contest at her boyfriend's friend's house because the weather was shitty, essentially. Wait, they had a literature contest. Yeah. That's what they did to entertain themselves. They were like, all right, let's all write a story. And she invented science fiction. Wow. Yeah.

Like Beck wrote Loser as a goof. And that, I mean, it's not Beck's best song, but it is his biggest hit, you know? Yeah. So I just think there's something there. And like if this, you know, if Matt Grangin, this alternative zine guy had put what he thought was his best idea in front of James L. Brooks, he probably would have presented something pretty inaccessible. Oh, yeah. Like the two characters that wear the fez hats and shit, like, I'm sure he would have looked at them like, what the fuck is this, Matt? Yeah.

He's like, yeah, and like, work is hell, right? And he's like, dude, oh, Jesus Christ. It'd be so funny in that pitch, like, if James L. Burks kind of knew his family, he's like, so this one's called Homer, like your dad? Right. And this one's Marge, like, I've met your mother, Margaret, right? He's like, yeah. No.

And Lisa and Matt. And then is this one, this one's Matt? No. No, man. And see, that's where you're wrong. This one's fucking Bart, dude. Fucking crazy. So yeah, he goes in unprepared and hacks together

A Modern Pop Culture Classic You know, I really think it hit the sweet spot This was like the Problem Child era Like that was a movie But it was like there's a long history Like his thinking going in was like He remembers reading the TV guide That like a show called Dennis the Menace was coming out

And he was like oh shit like a menace like this is going to be awesome. And then like the kid just like is so lame. The Simpsons have maybe the best joke about this where the actor who played Dennis the Menace is at like a thing. And he's like, I used to be TV's bad boy. I once hid my dad's hat. Like that was the level of like. God, I love the Simpsons.

I know. It's so good. It's so great. Just. I once hit my dad's hat. And he was also a fan of the character. Eddie Haskell, which is a reference I've always heard old people make, and I've never taken the time to figure out who Eddie Haskell is.

This was like the 30th time that I ran into the reference that I was finally like, all right, I'll bite. Who the fuck is Eddie Haskell? Was he in the KKK? No, he's not on the KKK. He's not in the KKK. We'll get to some Nazis later. But Eddie Haskell was in, leave it to Beaver.

David De Beaver. He's ranked as like a top 50 TV character of all time on like a bunch of like old, you know, golden age of TV lists. But he seems to be a borderline psychopath. Like possibly a real like. So his character's thing was that he was just always playing jokes on people. But the jokes would be like he tied a chain around the rear axle of their friend's car and that it caused the wheels to fall off. rip off. He drove it.

And, like, I found a pretty serious debate by a psychotherapist. That was just, like, is Eddie Haskell a psychopath? Or is he just a sociopath? Oh, wow. And it lands on, like, definitely a psychopath. Like, everything about him. Like, he can only feel bad about the things he's done if he gets caught. Right.

So basically, there are these iconic characters who are bad children and some they weren't bad enough. Sometimes they were too bad. And he's like, all right, I'm coming through with like a character that is the right amount of, you know, is the Goldilocks of braddy kids.

And this is a moment. Like, he just hits this moment where, um, so the number one movie at the box office in 1990 is ghost, I think. But like right on its heels is a live action, Bart Simpson,

this move, like, Home Alone, dominates the box office from Christmas through Easter. So the only reason it's not number one

at the box office, first of all, is because it's like dominating in two years. It's like second and third in like two years next to each other. But it's just people

going back over and over again to see a 10-year-old blonde-haired kid like lure low-level criminals into a kill house. You know? Yeah, yeah.

Like that was what, people wanted to see. That was the same year that Problem Child came out. I was looking at an analysis of like 1990s box office and they were like, the other big surprise

besides Home Alone was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Right. Who literally are just teenagers who kind of read as more like 12 year olds and they can't stop talking about how they have attitude. And even like

as I was going through the slant like Bart Simpson slang. I was like, you know who this reminds me of is John Connor in Terminator 2, who is basically a live act, and that was the number one movie like one year later. Right. Because this felt like for me, I, like, this is the era where I looked up to every single one of these people, like Teenage Mutual Ninja Turtles was the opening where you're like, it's cool to be a fucking mutant teenager ninja. And like say Kawabunga and kind of be like sort of skate surf adjacent. And then you have like Bart Simpson who was also like skateboarding.

There's like a lot of skateboard coded stuff too, like with a lot of these characters back then that was very much like they were reading the culture for sure. He was cool. He was like even I remember I watched this for the first time in Argentina. So I watched it dubbed in Spanish. And I remember the day it came out and like Bart was immediately the one that I was drawn to. I mean because of our age too. but I don't know.

I think also there was something of like, the United States of America, how the Simpsons portrayed that. Right? And I was like this kid in South America just like craving, watching that and Beverly Hills 902-10 all day, just wanting to live in the United States.

Yeah, everything was just like so teen. It was like teens and kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably some dark places there. But anyway. Yeah. I mean, do you want to hear my really dark, by really dark theory of this.

About what? About why we were so obsessed with children at this time. Oh, okay. Yeah, just, oh, yeah, okay. You know how in like 80s movies, there will be the plot where like the cool kid is like, I bet I can get this girl to be the prom queen by showing interest in her. Oh, okay.

It's like basically, she's all that. Yeah, yeah. So like by, like when a cool person shows interest in something, there's like a halo of coolness that like comes around with it. Michael Jackson is the coolest person in the world at this time. And he's, we don't know why at the time,

but he's just like, you know who I really like is McCauley Calkin and Bart Simpson and all these like, you know, right, right, right. Rascally little fucks. And I feel like he kind of prom kinged us a little bit where we were all just like, yeah, they are kind of cool.

You're right, Michael. You're right, Michael. I'm kind of on board. So, I don't know. That's just my loose theory that like, because like I was watching the black or white video and it's just like so, it's just so first of all, the amount of money that's going into this and just like how huge Michael Jackson

was at this time. And the fact that he's just like, Bart Simpson's going to introduce McCauley Culkin's going to introduce my music video. Right, right, right. Just, just a weird, a weird time. I think the obsession, too, is, like, now looking back the nostalgia of it all, too. I mean, these were, like, the best years of our life when this came out. Yeah. And I think there's also, too, like, a thing where, like, sociologically, they talk about, like, the arrested development of, like, especially baby boomers, like, wanting to always be rock stars, always wanting to kind of, like, keep that youthful thing that I feel like, like, from the 80s into the 90s, there was still that sort of like, like that era, like, you know, teenager culture is something that came out of like World War II. So I think that's probably something that like felt very important to those people who are obviously like decision making positions at that point in our culture too where there is like this

like love of the avoidance of like being responsible and, you know, not giving a damn. Yeah. I think also like last thing I'll say like I feel like raining nailed it in terms of making Bart Simpson himself with the ADD of it all. I think a lot, I mean, at least with my husband who has really bad ADD, like he sees himself reflected in Bart Simpson so badly.

And now that I rewatched a bunch of episodes, I'm like, whoa, Homer had it too. Oh, yeah. It's like down to like legs twitching and stuff, like restless leg. It's all in there. I don't think I noticed it now until I'm an adult. but that allowed us to feel, you know, identify with it too.

Yeah. And he was, yeah, he, I mean, there was an entire episode where he is medicated for his ADD. And it's like he, he gets on like some sort of super ADD drug and eventually becomes paranoid and thinks that the major league baseball is like controlling his thoughts. And then it turns out they are. But at the end of that episode, Marge is like, back to good old. Ritalin. So it's like he's not that they're just like this is the issue episode where they think Bart might have ADD. It's like he has ADD. He's been on Ritalin. Like that's, you know, that's how people were dealing with that at the time. But definitely neurodivergent. In terms of

coming up with Bart's design, Graning claimed that he made Bart like Mickey Mouse in the sense that he would always be recognizable in silhouette, which seems to have worked out pretty well for He also credits the character Jimbo, which is a character created by his old underground comics collaborator, Gary Panter, which is this guy with like spiky hair, Jimbo is, but Gary Panter designed Peewee's Playhouse. So it's like just these like cool sort of influences going back and forth between these like visual artists geniuses. Grinning and Panter collaborated on comics for punk zines.

under names including the fuck boys. F-U-K boys, which I kind of appreciate. Wow, dude, that's okay, revolutionary. Number one fuck boys. First to it. Wait, you're saying Jimbo, the guy, like the beanie wearing Jimbo?

No, here, let me take a... What's Jimbo? Oh, is that from like a pre-Simpson's? That's like the Combeck one, right? Or no? Jimbo, like, where's the beanie? He's like one of like, you know, he hangs out with Nelson. Oh, that's Jimbo. Oh, yeah.

He was always kind of hot to me. I just put his picture in the sidebar. That's what he looks like. Oh, okay, okay. What is that from? That's from, I don't know. He said that that's like a version, an image of a character named Jimbo

who he said influenced the look of Bart Simpson. Oh, I see, I see. Actually a Jimbo on the Simpsons. Oh, got it. Oh, sorry. I see you're, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, we're still at the invention. Got it, got it, got it.

this character Jimbo from a totally different that Gary Panter created. Like gave him the idea of like hair kind of going through the top of a flat head essentially. They were they were homies. Yeah they were they were the fuck boys. Gary Bay Gary Panther be better

be getting that fuck boy. Yeah. Because this is I would be like yo bro you fucking rip you're ripping him. Gary Panter is like he said that. I think he's being kind when people were like dude he said you gave him like design ideas for Bart. He's like, oh, I

couldn't be me. Like, Gary, come on, man. Gare, get your fucking check, man. I hope he at least got paid well for designing Peewee's Playhouse. Yeah, right. But I also want to do a little color theory, the yellow thing.

First of all, there's this old character called the Yellow Kid that I was not aware of. Oh, yeah. Do you know the Yellow kid? Yeah, I've seen that. bald child, presumably an alcoholic, because he's always, he's always hammered in every picture,

but he is like Bart Simpson's age, no hair, always wearing an oversized yellow night shirt. Oh my God. It looks terrible. Terrifying. It looks like he's dying. Terrifying, yeah. It's so early in the comics game,

his words are written on his shirt. So the words he says are written on his shirt because they hadn't really figured out word bubbles yet. But he is a youthful anti-establishment symbol packaged by the establishment itself for mass consumption. The two papers he appeared in were the bullshit factories that most specialized in sensationalism. And so they were called the Yellow Kid Papers. That style of journalism was originally called Yellow Kid Journalism.

and then that was shortened to yellow journalism. So this character is where we get the phrase yellow journalism from. Whoa. But he is the first in this line of characters who are yellow and like people are just like cartoon characters that are yellow. You've got the Simpsons, SpongeBob, Tweedy Bird, Pikachu, flounder, Winnie the Pooh, the fucking minions. Oh, wow. Holy shit, I never realized this. This is amazing.

Some people have pointed out it's just, it makes sense because it's the most visible color to the human eye. It's, you know, that's why taxis are yellow is because, like, there's something with it. So it says, yellow is the most visible color in the entire visual spectrum because of how the cones in our eyes process light

and the order in which the signal for red, green, and blue light reach our brain. This is why taxis and warning signs are yellow. Additionally, yellow also, also works well for psychological reasons. Yellow is a warm color that most often conveys joy and optimism. But then there's also something about how it shows up on TV that makes it work. Because like, you know, our, the normal visual color spectrum is red, blue, yellow are the

primary colors. But with TV, it's, I think, red, green and blue. And so yellow becomes, yeah, yellow becomes a complementary color. and it like just looks extra good on TV for whatever reason. Damn. So that's something by just instinctively people. I'd be so funny if Matt Graney's like, yeah,

I know how this shit's hit in your fucking brain. Yeah, no, I think it's just the minions thing is really like, that's great because the minions are just. Like IKEA is like yellow. McDonald's is yellow. I got our ass. You guys.

Calli Lou's shirt is yellow. Hallilu's shirt. Palilu looks like he's based on the. yellow kid, doesn't he? Yeah, totally. For sure. The yellow kid looks like, like if you see,

if you saw the yellow kid in real life, you're like, I'm calling CPS. Yes. I think that was the idea. He was like in a, he was a kid who lived in a housing complex and was like very poor. And the pictures are always showing him with like a drink in his hand being like,

um, here's to me. It's like, this child is an alcoholic. Isn't that funny? You're about to be a ward of the state. If I woke up in the. of the night and the yellow king was sitting at the end at the edge of my bed.

Well, it's so close to the yellow king, which is like, I don't know if you guys remember true detective season one, but that was like the creepy thing that they kept referencing was like the yellow king. And there's a lot of stuff in like the occult that reference the yellow king. Like that's a thing that people call Satan and stuff, which I'm just saying, this kid does not look that far from that. I have this little statue of Bart Simpson. I'm holding it up. Amazing.

He's shitting. So that's a turd. And the turd is yellow too, which I don't. Oh. I don't like that. I don't like that either. I got it in Spain.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my favorite. I know that. Because it's like, it's iconic like the little, the little shitting kid is like a big Spanish iconography.

Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

of Leonel Messi too. Yeah, they make them for everyone. Yeah. That's so interesting. I wonder if Simpson's shit is canonically yellow. It's not. There's no way. It's definitely brown.

It's like a Catalonian thing, which I think is far like a nativity scene originally. And then it's just like a fun thing to buy in Catalonia. But the shit you mean. Like in the Simpson's canon, the shit is brown to me. It must be brown. Although we probably never seen it, right? No, but we have. have seen Bart's dick.

We have seen Bart's dick. We're going to get to that, which... We're going to get to that. A weird, sorry. A weird echo of, like, my theory of why we were initially so obsessed is that they were just like, what if we just did some full frontal nudity? What if that was the way we expanded the palette of the Simpsons into the Simpsons movie? In terms of development, Mike Reese has said that the right...

writers were all Lisas who wanted to be BART. And so that's, you know, they were not cool kids, but like, so they were able to put their fantasies as being a bad kid into BART. And that's why like that character was so fun for them to write about initially. You might not know this, but I do wonder how big, the percentage of men was in that writer's room. It was large. I'm sure.

It was exclusively men. So there's a big debate, like people being like, actually the real credit for the development of the Simpsons should go to this guy, Sam Simon, who is the head writer in the first season and ran the writer's room. And that episode, The Flaming Mo's, where Homer gives Mo an idea for a drink and then Mo just kind of takes it and, like, cuts him out of it is people say that that was like Sam Simon. writing about what happened with the origin of the show. But he was going through a divorce during the early days of the Simpsons. Everything we love is written by divorced men. This is like an underlying theory. I think I have so much stuff.

Some dude through a divorce writing all this. So, yes, he's going through a divorce during these first seasons. And the first episode of The Simpsons, that airs on TV is Simpsons roasting on an open fire. That is written by Mimi Pond, a woman who was a freelancer and was never hired as a staff writer. Allegedly because Sam Simon didn't want any women around because he was going through a divorce. Just straight up. I have to respect that.

Yeah. The commitment. The woman he was divorcing. at that time. Jennifer Tilly. That's the reason Jennifer Tilly is super rich. And she also says that she's in the camp that she thinks Sam, Simon, who died pretty young of, I think, cancer.

She thinks that he had more to do with the development. And she was like, we had this, like, thing where we would imagine a kid because we never had kids, but like we would imagine a kid running around, this imaginary kid running around getting into trouble. And that was like Bart Simpson before. he even like wrote him into the Simpsons. Yeah. Shout out of Asian icon, Jennifer Tilley, by the way, people don't know that. Is she really Asian?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Her mom's half Asian. Did not realize that. Nancy Cartwright comes in to read for Lisa. She's like, I'd actually rather read for Bart. And she does. And no, literally nobody else ever reads for it. They're just like, no, that's that's Bart Simpson right there. And she's also the reason we have Eat My Shorts, because that was an

ad lib from her, who apparently it was like a thing that they said in her high school marching band. And it's kind of funny. Like these are like 70s slang that then are just like coming back as like 90s slangs. The people are like, this is what the kids are saying these days. I was looking up how that phrase, Eat My Shorts translates to Spanish. And it literally translates to multiple. yourself by zero.

That's what I was hearing, which is basically like Bart telling other kids to commit suicide. Yeah. It's like, just keep it as eat my shorts. I don't understand why. That makes sense. Is that like a...

Wait, so is that like the vibe you got from Bart when you were a kid? Just Bart going around being like, hey, kill yourself. I mean, obviously it was too young to comprehend suicide, but now looking back,

I'm like, there was no need to change the phrase. Eat my shorts could have worked in Spanish. Right. Is that a phrase, though? Multiply yourself by zero? No. So somebody was like, somebody lost it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah, weird. That's dark. Yeah. So don't have a cowman. It has been a phrase since like the, like, first centuries,

they used to, British people used to say don't have kittens, as then don't give birth to kittens. I Caramba was first said by him on the Tracy Olman short, the art museum. He's looking at a nude portrait and kind of like a

it's like early character where it's like not quite his character. He's like a little too horny. He's like, he's looking at this naked woman being like, aye, caramba. Which by the way, Karamba is a euphemism for a carajo, which means penis. So kind of makes sense.

There's also this, little piece of like accepted wisdom that like some real simpsons fans will sometimes tell you where people will say and of course he also says cowabunga and they'll say uh-a-a-a-a-barth actually never says cowabunga that's a that's an urban myth oh my god what you're doing is you're combining don't have a cow and i carumba and making it cowabunga in your head he never said that shit is a thing that they will say it's not fucking true. He said it twice in the first two seasons. Fuck you. I knew it.

And he, the one of his most popular t-shirts was him surfing upside down on a wave saying, Calabunga man. Right, right, right. The one Bart Simpson T-shirt I was allowed to own was a Calabunga man. But it's, it's such a good story that like, kind of have to say, you have to just be like, fuck, I want to go with that. Jack, were you not allowed?

Like, what's the deal with you and the Simpsons? Were you not allowed to watch it? No, I was allowed to watch it, but I just, I don't, I don't remember if it was a school level thing or not, but I just remember that I wasn't allowed to have the, I'm Bart Simpson, who the hell are you? Right, right, right. Which was the only one that I really wanted, you know, right? Because it was like fucking cool.

For the first few months, I wasn't allowed to watch the Simpsons because there was burping because Barney burped. And it's so funny to me because my parents are sexual devians who were talking about anal sex at the table, but we couldn't watch it because there was a burp. Yeah, you're talking about queves and shit, but a burp. Yeah, like my dad describing the consistency of his diarrhea, but we couldn't listen to a burp. I was just looking on the Simpsons Wiki, like the different versions of each or short. So the multiple, the multiply yourself by zero.

you were getting the European Spanish version. Oh, the Spanish one. Yeah, like in the Latin American version, there were so many ones. Tirase a bozo was one. That's throw yourself into a ditch. Yeah. That's suicide too.

Kill yourself. Yeah. Literally. European or Sampbellon just kept telling people to kill themselves. In Japanese, it was odd. It was still talking about shorts or pants. It's, uh, puns of them, Kabutero.

Like, it's saying just like, Why don't you wear some pants? Which is so odd. Hey, why don't you wear some pants? Why don't you put some pants on, bro? I'm like, what? I'm so confused. Brian, the editor, uh, coming in asking a good question.

Do they air the Simpsons in Japan? I'm just going to say, like, I, uh, went, went abroad to Ireland in college. And I would say the Simpsons was mostly what was on. That was like all their, like, the Simpsons was on like, 12 hours a day in Ireland when I was over there. Just like reruns for days of the Simpsons. Like the Simpsons is so fucking global. I think Brian was asking though about the four finger thing, which...

Yeah, I mean, it was on... I guess they were willing to look the other way on that one. It was on the cable channel, like maybe two years after it had come out. And I think maybe early on they were editing it. And then they're like, fuck, man, we can't. This is too much. Yeah. Before we get into the Bart Mania moral panic,

Tam, the way that a little peek behind the curtain for listeners, the way that we go about kind of finding guests for these episodes is we send out a list of icons that we're thinking about doing episodes on. And we ask, like, is there one that's interesting to you? Or if not, let us know. And you beeline for Bart Simpson. So I'm just curious to hear what is your connection to Bart Simpson? Even over Miss Piggy, who really I relate to a lot more, you know, it's the nostalgia for me.

And it's also because I wanted to learn more. Like, yeah, okay. I think I didn't want to come in to this as an expert because I'll never be an expert on anything. But I actually sat down to rewatch the Simpsons from season one for this. I know the best research. And I that's what I wanted. Simpson's research. I'm literally on season three.

So slow. I started like a month ago. But yeah. It's still great. It's so much. So the show launches with an episode penned by a woman who will not be hired to write in the writer's room. Do we hear anything else about her? Like, what came?

Just that she's like, yeah, sorry. I always play this role of kind of being a turd in the punch bowl because everyone loves this show. And I have to be like, yeah, I wrote the first episode. And I'm not allowed to really partake in any of that. sucks, sorry. I also like the show. It's good. So yeah, shout out to me,

Me, Pool. So Bartmania hits cover of Rolling Stone, Time Magazine. Again, not to like tell these like stories that aren't true and like whiplash you, but there's this one that I like, I think Matt Graining is like profoundly full of shit in some ways because there's a story that he kept telling. Like I ran across it a couple times and everybody just completely. buys it. But here's the story. It's to illustrate, man, like, this is when he knew that the

Simpsons had hit. In 1990, Matt Groening arrived at his two-bedroom cottage in Venice, California to discover the words, home of bark spray painted across it in proud, unmissable letters. Graning's first thought was, how do they know I live here? Which was followed quickly by the realization, they didn't. And that was an indication. of how popular his new show had become that my house could be targeted at random what the fuck are you talking about this is this is like everyone was just spray painting

home of Bart everywhere they weren't you fucking liar I was alive then what the fuck are you talking about this is the precursor to the like Houston loot crew or like black's rule graffiti we're like white people or like, and I saw this graffiti. And you're like, this reminded me of 3.8 weeks, Miles. This is like, 6.8, Jack.

6.8 weeks. Like what? They definitely knew you lived there, you fucking idiot. Oh my God. It was probably Mimi Pons or whatever. Yeah, Mimi Pond. But yeah, well, again, one of those anecdotes like the Calabunga thing that like sounds cute because it has a twist.

Right. And then it's just like, that's not what happened. That's absolutely not true. Home of Bart, dude. You think they were just. paying that everywhere. What? No.

What? Hold on, Matt. I saw you out here at 3 a.m. last night doing this. No. You're kind of a famous person now. I wasn't me. Wasn't me.

He paid someone. I saw you train. He's like, isn't that your trainer from the gym? Has a shy steon. Lamous Jesse. Jesse Small. He has this gold's gym shirt on it. Pretty shirt.

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And listen on IHeart Radio stations across America and the free IHeart app. The show wasn't a massive rating success at first. The 1989-90 season, they were beaten by shows like chicken soup

and dear John. I don't remember. I don't remember either of those. I want to watch chicken soup. But Simpson's merch made $750 million by the end of 1990. No, fuck.

750 million. By the way, that's less than the Ninja Turtles and New Kids on the Block. So they, again... I mean, all shit I had, too. I was barred it out, bro. Barred and Ninja Turtles. Like, all the shit I ever wanted to wear back then.

Oh, for sure. The thing that happens to them that is really beneficial is they keep being made enemy like they keep being kind of

antagonized by increasingly uncool people so they like get to be the hero in this like battle so first it's like

school principals right are like underachiever and proud of it what are you talking about we should model

good behavior and high standards and this becomes a big news story right um JC Pennies is like

we will no longer uh print these shirts that are attacking the souls of America. And then, like, schools who hadn't even, like, they, like, had maybe one student show up wearing a Bart shirt. And, like, another one had two. And, like, they get on the news being like, well, we're fighting this battle. And so it just makes them look, like, so cool by comparison.

Like, one school superintendent suggested that Bart should, quote, start talking about achievement rather than underachievement and send out an anti-drug message. I love that. Shut the fuck up. You know what's crazy too because slingshots got really popular

around me because of Bart Simpson. Yeah. Because he kept on his back. I know. I remember kids in my neighbor were fucking hurting themselves real bad because they didn't realize how power. You'd be like, let me get a slingshot.

And then you get that real shit. bad news. But again, that was also very simple. Three man water balloon launchers came from the

slingshot craze and I almost lost my left eye. Yeah. Almost took my eye. That you, that you kept the secret for 30 years,

Jack. I know. When you said that to me that really made me so sad for you for those 30 years that you had a secret

eye injury. Just me and my cool older sister who are the only ones in there. Don't tell mom. Don't tell mom. Don't tell mom. It was your grandma, right?

It was your grandma. My grandma was like, you just want attention. That's right. Yeah, just being accused of being cool by increasingly lame people. Because we'll also get to Bill Cosby targeting them and then George H.W. book. Oh, my God. But yeah, the shirts become popular and also right away, the bootleg barts kind of take over the world.

So, you know, if schools hated the underachie. Sheaver shirt. They must have really hated the shirts with Bart flipping the bird and being crushed to death in an ass crack. Do you guys remember the crack kills one? No. The thing that was so beautiful, though, is like it was embraced culturally everywhere. Like, I remember, like, at my grandparents' black church, they had, like, black bootleg Bart stuff. Yeah.

Black Bootleg Bart was an official character. Yeah. And shit, too. And everybody was like, we're rocking black bootleg Bart. It was just like, everyone's like, man, make it whatever color you want. Okay? Up to you. Because we're all fucking with Bart Simpson.

Oh my God. I'm seeing the crack now. Oh, I need. See, I'm going to go buy this. It's just so good. I'm putting some of these in the chat. So we got crack kills. We got, if you don't like my attitude, dial 1,800 each shit.

And then we've got him with a Mandela shirt, BWA, black with attitude. It's a black thing. You wouldn't understand. But it's like a black Bart Simpson. and just incredible. I like he got the parts shaved in his head to his line. Mandela is the here.

Mandela, the dude's my hero. The dude's my hero, man. But yeah, the entire subgenre of like bootleg Bart shirts starring Black Bart included ones where he's like commenting. It was like kind of like political cartoon. Like there's one where he's like talking about the Rodney King riots, praising Nelson Mandel. there's one where he's strangling colonial oppressors in Haiti.

Like Homer is the white red coat and Bart is black. And it says don't have a cow colonizer. And Homer is being choked by black Bart. And it says Haitian Revolution, the day when Bart got really pissed off. Whoa. That's fucking... What is he supposed to? to be like two song

Loverature or whatever Yeah I think so Wow he's wearing the Yeah he's wearing that outfit Okay bro I need this one I'm laughing I just sent one that Bert eat my charts

Yeah There are definitely a lot of them That are Tiny Fuppets coated for sure Yeah yeah yeah And like this is Maybe you'll talk about it later But like this doesn't even get into

Porn territory Oh no We're not going, we weren't planning. No, we don't have to. That's part of a notebook dump later. That's right. But man. Yeah, I see a lot of, bro.

There's some lot of CG thick marges out there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Tag teaming Marge and Mrs. Carboppel. Oh, my God. Is that a real thing? I can only imagine. Bart tag teaming Marge and Mr.

Cropople? Yeah. God damn. Incess. Jesus. Yeah, there's also highly offensive. ones, like a Rasta Bart that had big

red lips and like super offensive like character things. And then there's also there's a Nazi who was making Bart Simpson T-shirts. That Fox had to sue him. Just being like I'm a Nazi and proud

of it, man. Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah, there's like this story where they're like they get this guy, Tom Metzker, to agree in court to stopped making Nazi Bart Simpson t-shirts. I googled Tom as I was like this motherfucker

is definitely in the Trump administration. He died in 2020 so he does not work for the Trump administration. Oh, just only in spirit now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But yeah, there was a whole thing where they tried to take the, you know, Black Bart phenomenon and like Fox was like they put a show on after true colors and they had a like an ad where it was like a black family

and they had an ad where one of the like a Simpsons newscaster was reporting that Bart and Lester Freeman were secretly long lost brothers. So they were just trying. They were like, you know, hey guys. This is cool, right? Howard University's chairman of

Afro-American studies told the New York Times that Bart's popularity in the black community was due to the fact that there's a suppressed rage in the cartoon that black people are picking up on. He was like just so popular for like all of the sudden. So like kind of took over in a way that people were responding to and was selling a lot of merch. He's also easy to draw. So just like anyone can draw him? Yes. Right. Yeah.

And like, again, that iconic silhouette, you know who it's supposed to be. Like even if the hair is different or, you know, the skin color is different. You're like, but that's Bart Simpson. It's the hair or the hat, you know, like, as we have said, like the true icons, you kind of do. It is by silhouette. Right. Not even a year after the series premiered, The Simpsons released the album, The Simpsons sing the blues, which included the track, do the Bart Man. which there were rumors of the time

that the song had been ghost written by Michael Jackson who was a huge Simpsons fan and then Graining has since stated that Jackson did co-write the song but nobody could say anything because it was contractually forbidden from writing for an outside label. Oh wow.

The song's actual writer, Brian Lauren, or like stated writer has been like, no, I actually wrote it. I don't know what the fuck Matt's talking about. Is there any evidence aside from just graining saying that? He was like, yeah, Michael Jackson helped work on it. He just says shit.

He just kind of says shit, it seems like. That's what I mean like, so did he? Like if he's out of him, he'd be like, and they spray paint in my house. And he's like, yeah, Michael Jackson wrote that. So Ryan Lauren is like, he didn't write it. He did sing backup vocals on it, come up with the title, and insist that we include his name in the, the lyrics because there is a part where he says if you can do the bart, you're bad like Michael

Jackson. Okay. So it's like, he was kind of involved in it. Right. Right. They did pull the Michael Jackson season three episodes, Stark Raving Dad,

in which Michael Jackson appears as a voice actor. They pulled it from circulation after producers heard rumors that Jackson was using the show to groom boys. Was that in the document? Or from the documentary? That was from the documentary. That was from the documentary. Oh, shit.

Like, at the time of the, that everything started coming out. Right. It's interesting. That guy, Brian Lauren also just, like, worked on a ton of Jackson stuff, too.

So, that's interesting. Like, for someone who, like, seemingly has collaborated with him or Janet, too. Yeah.

Do you guys own this cassette? I owned it. You owned it? Yeah. I had the CD for sure. Yeah, yeah. It was,

I mean, that was like, That was that era where you kind of had to have like all the Simpsons stuff. Like I loved having the books and the shirt, you know, shirts, CDs. The sheets, totally. Did you guys have, what were the Simpsons, the Bart Simpson T-shirts that you had? Because as I said, I had the upside down surfing Calabunga T-shirt. I had one with him with a skateboard.

And I think it was maybe don't have a cat. It was a don't have a cow shirt. Yeah. And then I had one that I remember when we went to Tijuana. I had a wild bootleg one. That was like him with a sombrero. And then I had like a Black Bart one. And those are the three I remember the most.

I didn't have any. I feel like girls didn't wear Bart Simpson's shirts. I don't know. Or also because I lived in Argentina, you couldn't get it wasn't accessible. But I remember my grandparents brought me a set of sheets with Bart Simpson on the, that I would wet the bed on. Yellow, you know? Yellow is king.

Oh, you know what I did have is I had the Air Simpson, Bart Simpson, Michael Jordan mashup, where he's like dunking. Yeah, yeah. I like basketball guys. That was what I was communicating to the world. That's why it was so fucking malleable. They do like, oh, do you like to throw pottery?

Here's the fucking pottery barred. Oh, there was like knitting, like, everything. Yeah. And it was like, yeah, people were like, I can't stop selling this shit, man. They love the knitting part. They love the cross-stitch part.

Yeah. It's just a type of t-shirt. And then so in addition to being like banned by a bunch of schools, George Bush at his least cool, like as he was about to just be the first person who was like defeated it as an incumbent for like not being cool in a presidential election. He just like got out-cooled by Bill Clinton. He came in for it started with a 1990 People magazine interview with Barbara Bush in which she criticized the Simpsons saying, I watch it.

It was the dumbest thing I had ever seen. And then in the same paragraph, praise it she loves says she loves America's funniest home videos. The entire paragraph is she loves America's funniest home videos but remains baffled after sampling the Simpsons. It was the dumbest thing I had ever seen. seen. It's a family thing, and I guess it's clean, but James L. Brooks, like, they did a thing where like Marge wrote to her and was like, sorry that you were so offended by my family. And Barbara Bush was like, I am glad you spoke your mind. I foolishly didn't know you had one. So she was like engaging, but also still being kind of like a asshole. And then James L. Brooks said that he met her

at a dinner and introduced himself as a producer of The Simpsons. And she was, She was, like, so mean to him. Wow. It's so funny, too, like, with the desert store, like, you're talking about George Bush. Like, I remember they got the, there were Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' Desert Storm action figures. Oh, yeah. Like, you knew they were really crank. They were trying to crank up that machine to be like, hey, man, it's normalizing for the kids too.

And you still fuck it because he didn't get the Simpsons, bro. You know what I mean? All I remember the Gulf War T-shirts, every time of Bart, bootleg, bootleg, Gulf War t-shirts. A lot of bootleg, Gulf War ones, a lot of really, like, problematic racist ones. One I just posted in the chat is mess with the best, die like the rest. It was just Bart Simpson beating the shit out of Saddam Hussein for some reason. But so then during the election, like George W. Bush says this thing at like a prayer breakfast, where he says he wants to help families become a lot more.

like the Walton's and a lot less like the Simpsons. Oh, no. The Walton's? You fucking dork. What? Also fun to remember, this is the guy, the moral consciousness, who ended up grabbing a woman by the ass and saying, know who my favorite magician is, David Coppa feel. No.

That was his last thing that he did in the public eye before he died. and then there is eventually an episode where they, well, first of all, they respond to that by saying, showing that speech before an episode of The Simpsons. And then Bart saying, hey, we're just like the Walton's. We're praying for an end to the Depression too because the Waltons were like a Depression era show.

And they were shitting on George Bush's economy. I will say like they, the Simpsons was like after the 80s being an entire era of like, we don't like to talk about like money. Everybody's rich, okay? Let's just imagine everybody's rich. Like the Simpsons did have bills like before a lot of other shows.

Like they predate Roseanne. And, you know, we talked about how that started happening on like family matters and stuff. But yeah, 1996, uh, the beef wasn't over. There's a season seven episode, uh,

where Homer beats the shit out of George Bush. Uh, and people like, was this, was this like a, political attack and the writer said it's not a political attack, it's a personal attack. Fuck that guy. That's awesome.

They also shit on the cops so bad in the entire show. Oh yeah. I mean, yeah, to have Wiggum be like basically a pig man. Yeah. Yeah. Pigman Wigam. Pigman. Pigman. Pigum. And then he, so the Simpsons kind of took over

well, they took on the Cosby show directly like went opposite the Cosby show. and people were like, Bill Cosby, what do you think of the Simpsons? And you're not going to believe this. He thought they were mean-spirited and cruel. TV should be moving in a direction from the Huxdibles forward, not backward.

The mean-spirited and cruel think this kind of programming is the edge and their excuses. That's the way people are today. But why should we be entertained by that? Was his take on the Simpsons. Okay. Loser. I know.

Yeah. Get fucked. It's just like such a pull your pants up, boy type kind of taste. Yeah. Like, shut the fuck up, bro. We're doing our thing over here. So like, again, just like making him cool. Yeah, exactly.

So much cooler. Exactly. Okay, judge. Yeah, he specifically took aim at Bart, blasting him as a bad role model and calling him angry, confused, and frustrated. Man. And then.

Did he see that Haiti shirt? Is that what he's going off of? No. he didn't like that one. I can't get him as you like that one. And this is a quote from Matt Groening on that quote. He said, that sums up, Bart, all right. Most people are in a struggle to be normal. He thinks normal is very boring and does things that others just wished they dare do. And I was like, all right, that must be a misprint. And I went and looked and it's not, it's, what the

fuck is this with, what the fuck is with this guy? And does like, things that others just wished they dare do. Oh. Just wish they, what? Wish they dare. Wish they. He's not right.

That's a double wish. Yeah. Wait, do we know is he, he's alive, right? Matt Graney? Yeah.

Yeah, he's alive. What's he up to? Not today. What's he up to right now? I think he still works on Futurama and stuff. And I know people who've like written for him and say he's like great. Like really like a great boss.

He just, makes everybody rub his feet. But he draws them a little napping on a napkin. They does pay them in Simpsons drawings, unfortunately. There's no like Epstein drawing

that Graney did. Oh my God. It would be amazing. Cursed fucking image ever. I mean, they did an episode. Thanks for the plane flight. Yeah. They did an episode where they were like,

the world is run by a bunch of weird people on an island, like weird rich billionaires on an island. Right. But like the idea of a secret island that predates. Yeah. Like in Poppulch, I feel like for a while, like an evildoer's lair, but sure. One detail. So Nancy Cartwright, great performer, a big time Scientologist, which became a bit of a

problem when she used the BART voice in a Scientology robocall that promoted one of their events that I do need to play for you guys. Please. So she was. was promoting some event that like she was involved in and people were returning to their homes in Los Angeles and finding this message on their voicemail or on the on their answering machine. I already know a Nancy Cartwright. Here we go. Hey, what's happening man? This is Bart Simpson. Just kidding. Don't hang up. This is Nancy Cartwright.

And this is a very special phone call to you. I'm now all. auditing on new OT7 and have been asked to see with the flag world tour event on January 31st in the grand ballroom at the Hollywood and Highland Center at 6.30 p.m. It's going to be a blast, man. I'll be there to see my my very much. My face exactly. Dude, she's doing for the science. Because you can hear like the soul leaving her body every time she shifts over to the Scientology. Yes.

Anyways, to confirm your attendance. Oh, God. Give me a cat of gas. I have to tell this story. It's kind of unrelated. But the other day I went to a birthday party that was supposed to be across the street from the Scientology center.

I was really drunk. And it was my friend's Joy's birthday party. But instead, I went to the door of the Scientology Center and there was a guard there and I was like, I'm looking for Joy. And he was like, what? You've come to the right place.

I'm here for Joy, Joy's party. And he was like, get the fuck out. And he kicked me out. Oh, wow. I just went to the Scientology Center. Wow. I'm surprised they weren't like Joy right this way. Yeah, totally.

Do this evening reading. They escorted me out. Oh, also the Lisa Graney. was married to Craig Bartlett, the creator of Hey Arnold. Oh, Hey Arnold. Yes, it wasn't Doug. But although it's funny because I was going down that rabbit hole, the guy who created Doug was also married to a woman named Lisa.

But again, it's just that era and there are only five names you could have. Yeah, those are the only names. Lisa, Karen, Joy, you know, Margaret. There it is. But they did have, like there are episodes that, you know, poke fun at cults, like the joy of sex. with a distinctly Elron Hubbard-like leader.

They almost took on Scientology. There's an episode called Lisa the Scientopterin that they wrote and Scientopterin. They wrote it and then people were like, I don't know, man, we're going to get fucking sued by them and also we're going to have to find a new Bart

and we never like had anybody else read for that role. So maybe we just let it go. Yeah, I mean, yeah, Nancy Cart right now is always. Remember we talked about her on the show and she was like posting, she was behind some weird ass, like anti-ant antidepressant billboards and shit around that. I mean, that's their whole thing. I do wonder, like, she must have been very conflicted about the Bart Simpson.

Ritalin shit. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Anyways, this is kind of around the time. when Homer becomes the show's most popular character. It's like season four, a lot of people pinpoint as the moment when the shift happens.

Bart and Lisa are kind of front and center in the first episode, but then the subsequent Bart episodes are mainly about Homer as well with Homer getting a lot of the best moments. And season four is Marge versus the monorail is often considered, you know, one of the best episodes,

but it's also a point at which the tone shifts much more absurdist and it's less of like a you know, Bart-based sitcom with, you know, and it becomes more what the,

what we know the Simpsons as in the golden age. Just a side note. You know who Nancy Carpate's nieces? Sabrina Carpenter. They kind of look alike. It's her step, it's like her stepbrothers,

child or whatever. They're not related. They're not related. But that's her aunt. his names and Sabrina Carpenter's aunt is I don't want to go too hard because it's just it's like very sad she joined Scientology in 1991 after like you know

booking the gig and like the Simpsons is happening and she like says she explicitly did it to get married which is I don't know oh it's dark yeah that to marry a Scientology is just she said she had never had a boyfriend and like apparently thought El Ron Hubbard's cult was the best place to connect with eligible singles. And she did marry a Scientologist.

They later divorced. She was engaged to another Scientologist who died by suicide in 2009 because of like some financial shit that he was tied up in. So it's just like, just, you know, that thing. There's no story about people that involved in the church. And you're like, yeah, and it all went well the whole time. It started well, went well, and ends well. Yeah. got exactly what they were looking for.

But yeah, I mean, the Simpsons movie is after the fact, after you know, he's at his peak. Like a child star who's fallen on hard times, you know, the pickup truck scene from Boogie Nights. He regains the spotlight by showing off his dick.

Oh, that was like their attempt to bring him back? That's what I think Bart was like, guys, come on. but will this make you love me again? And it did. It's so good. I just rewatched it and I, and what's funniest to me is they try the entire time not to show his dick. So they'll be like,

it's like a cigarette covering it. Yeah. And then it just goes by, right? Yeah. It's long. It's like exactly what you would. Not that I'm thinking. The shot is long.

I know. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I'm not talking about it. I remember. No, we saw it.

It's fine. It's perfectly proportioned in the, Little ass is so cute. And then on American TV, when they show it, they put a black bar over it that says European version only on the black bar. Oh, really? Too big is funny. But yeah, I don't know.

It's, I asked my kids, like, who do you know for, like, when I say The Simpsons, what character do you picture first? And it's, it's Homer. Like, even for that, my son's nine. Interesting. And, like, he's still. I was like, okay, who do you picture next? He's like, I guess Marge.

And then I guess, like, I was like, God damn, man. If anything, Jack, that's a good sign. He looks up to you, bro. That's right. I think of the father first. I think of my mother. Yeah. Think of the abusive, dumb father.

If you had to pick a favorite, not of the core family, just like of the entire show. Who would it be? Sorry, this is the worst kind of question to get. I love, I love Mo. I love. Toll booth will or fucking groundskeeper will he has like got giving me some great moments but I think I like Mo the best. Just a lot of a lot of the darkness that was coming through in the dubs the suicide jokes are so funny yes yeah. Mo is one of the greats.

How about you? Barney. Barney's so good. Barney's so good. I laugh the most with Barney. Yeah, Barney's also, I love Barney. Because there's just like the alcoholism. He's like, he's like leaping on the floor.

He's just such a clown. He does it good though, the like the talking like an alcoholic. It's just like it's so funny. And then probably like other ones is maybe I like the one character. He's just called old Jewish man. He's, I don't know if you know, he goes, I want some tequila. He's like one of those old guys, like in the chorus of old people. I was trying to figure out this guy's name.

And it's just because Quimby refers to him in an episode as old Jewish man. Loose gold. Like I want some tequitos is one of my favorite stupid-ass lines. Are you looking at you look it up? This is the best thing ever. It's that. And I think also Mr. Burns, too. There's something about Mr. Burns because like, not because like a lot of this stuff involving him and like it ends up touching on class and all these other things that I think are really, I think some of the best parts sometimes about the Simpsons and their depiction of him.

That's what George H.W. Bush really didn't like because they were talking about class. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah, but anyone, but any of the old people, you know, like Jasper. And also alternative fuels to fossil fuels. Right. Nuclear power. Although they really. fucked up nuclear power showing that fish with three eyes. Hey, I thought it was cool, man. I just think that's cool, man. I think that's cool, man. I'm in a third eye.

Yeah, man. Tam, such a pleasure having you on for this. I could talk about this for four more. Not four more hours is too much. Okay. I'm out of research, unfortunately. Well, we can just pull up porn hub and see what they can. Yeah, we'll just watch.

Yeah. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? You can find me on Instagram at Tamara Yehia. And Miles, where can people find you? At Miles of Gray. And yeah, that's where you go. And that was our Bart Simpson's conversation. I'll be back in a moment with the Notebook.

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All right. This is the notebook dump. No, no, no, no. Notebook dump. I will say, a bit of housekeeping off the bat. I have heard you on the fact that we haven't had enough woman icons to this point. We definitely started these first 15 icon episodes out with a disproportionately high number of men encrypted.

and boy cartoons in this case, you will definitely find the overall numbers will even out as we get to, you know, 25 and 30 of these iconograph episodes. But it's definitely a fair critique. It was a weird ratio to start with. I should have noticed it. It will be fixed in the fullness of time.

But yeah, I appreciate your patience. On to Bart. Maybe the best example we've had so far of a bunch of amazing talent and icons coming together in a single icon. You know, Matt Grayan gets the majority of the credit, but Bart Simpson is a character who is written or shaped by, among others, James L. Brooks, like a giant of modern popular culture, Oscar winner, force of mainstream comedic, like, highbrow success,

Conan O'Brien, as we'll talk about in a second even more, but, you know, one of the greats. He has a song in his first, like, breakout year. He has a song written by Michael Jackson. Yeah, some icons get to be sort of filter feeders on the best talent in the world, you know, not just cartoon characters with Bart. That's by design. you have a show with a bunch of amazing talent from different sectors contributing,

but we've also seen this with like Elvis, obviously a filter feeder on these amazing songwriters and then black artists whose songs he appropriates. Einstein has a bunch of really talented mathematicians that he's talking to and his first wife helps him formulate a lot of his early ideas and as a sounding board. But yeah, with Bart and,

fictional characters, obviously it's by design. Miss Piggy had a lot of great artists as we talked about behind her. But with real people, because of the design of our brain and our addiction to understanding everything through stories with singular protagonists, we sort of filter out the cumulative and reinterpret it to be the achievement of one great person. In terms of Bart's fellow,

Yellow King, the Yellow Kid. First of all, if you look at a picture of him, just as cursed as the Yellow King from True Detective and the Robert Chamber short stories. But finding out about him kind of blew my mind with how, first of all, impactful he was, and then how completely I had no idea he existed. No idea, first of all,

that's where they got yellow journalism from as we mentioned in the show. I thought that was a way of saying that that type of journalism is cowardly. Historians also say the Yellow Kid was the first example of modern merchandising with puzzles and games.

He also gave us speech bubbles. The method of writing the words a character is saying in the panel, putting the words on his shirt was the beginning of that. So, yeah, like a lot of really important things created by this character

who just gone. As far, like, I don't know. Maybe you guys can tell me, maybe I'm wrong, and it was, it's just me. But I had no idea. And it wasn't like I found out about it. And I was like, oh, yeah, that rings a bell. Nothing.

And then, yeah, Bart was created almost exactly a hundred years later. It truly is like there's a cursed yellow child who will arise and obsess the zeitgeist for a couple years and then disappear every sense. century. And when the next one arises, will Bart be totally and completely gone? I'd guess yes, probably. But I do think that's an interesting hypothetical question, maybe a recurring one that we

could bring to these icon episodes of the icons that we've covered so far, which ones in 100 years probably won't be completely gone. I'd say the ones that are most likely to still be around would be Santa. Leprechauns probably sticking around. The gray aliens. We'll see. But But Dolly Parton, she'll still be alive, so she'll still be around. Einstein, I'd imagine we still know who Einstein is in 100 years. And maybe that's it. This is all, I'm just citing these from memory. I don't have the list in front of me, but this is obviously all assuming a world in which

we still exist in 100 years. But if we do, I feel like, I don't know. I'd be interested to hear your arguments for who else might still be around. I want to talk again about, and I think I talked plenty in the episode, but just the fake story about Matt Graining finding House of Bart written on his house and realizing that they didn't know it was his house, this genre of fun anecdote with a twist that is probably not true, but let's not let that ruin the fun anecdote,

along with Bart Simpson never said Cowabunga. That's actually you conflating, don't have a cow. with Icarumba. These are great anecdotes that aren't true, but they're so good. I want to come up with a name for this genre of bullshit fact. I'm proposing maybe JFK Jelly Donuts because I think maybe the most famous one of these

is the fake anecdote that when John F. Kennedy said, I'm a bad, everyone laughed because it translated to I'm a jelly donut. Didn't happen. Doesn't translate. I'm a jelly donut that was made up by a spy novel. Or it could be translated to that, but everybody knew exactly what he was saying.

I would love to hear from listeners on a better name for that genre and also other examples of cool bits of trivia, stories with a twist that aren't true. But they're so memorable. They just get passed around. Did you guys know Einstein failed math in elementary school? That's, I'd say, a JFK jelly donut. Let's see.

mentioned that the first season of the Simpsons was not a ratings banans and that it was beat by a show called chicken soup. I did a quick look into that show. The premise was a middle-aged Jewish man marries, get this, a middle-aged Irish Catholic woman. Well, yeah, you can imagine the shenanigans and confusion that comes from a scenario like that, only in Hollywood, folks. Dear John, another one that we mentioned, is about a man whose wife leaves him and gets his kids and the house and the divorce. And hilarity ensues, I guess, as he manages to not jump off the Brooklyn Bridge for four straight seasons of TV. I think I actually remember the intro to that one coming on after I watched something else. Speaking of the first season, I do remember buying the first season DVD and being sort of disappointed.

pointed by the episodes in season one, like thrown by Homer's weird, deep voice and his, like, open child abuse of Bart, and then kind of lulled to sleep by some very conventional sitcom plotting. I feel like it wasn't until season four,

that things really start picking up. Actually, when you look it up, people say that season four, episode 12, is the first, time that like structurally and plot-wise, things get surreal. That episode was written by someone named Conan O'Brien, and it was called Marge

versus the monorail. Yeah, I knew that was considered like one of the great episodes, didn't realize it was load-bearing in terms of introducing the surrealism that would go on to kind of be a hallmark. And then David Merkin came along as the showrunner, head writer in season five, and Homer got way dumber, and the rest is history. Interestingly, Bart actually became, I think, smarter throughout the course of the show.

The episode, Bart is a genius in season one, but he just cheats or like there's a clerical error. But he's learned over the course of the show, he's learned multiple new languages very quickly, including French, Japanese, Cantonese, Spanish. And then there's the famous episode where he is medicated with a new ADHD medication and that's the thing like it's basically the premise is this guy is a genius who's just like not able to get past his ADD without medication he he takes his medication becomes an amazing student model citizen and then like paranoid that major league baseball is spying on him and everyone's like uh oh the medication is is fucking him up but it turns out he's right he's just the only one smart enough to real.

that they are spying on all of us, which must have been a tough, a tough episode for Nancy Cartwright, who, as we heard, was shilling for Scientology, which, an organization that, extremely hostile for its psychiatric medication, so couldn't have left that one.

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