The Daily Zeitgeist - Icon #16 - The Easter Bunny: Our Forgotten May Queen

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

In this episode, Jack and Miles are joined by writer/comedian Brandie Posey to talk about no one's favorite mammal with a cloaca: The Easter Bunny! They'll explore its Pagan origins and meaning, evolution throughout history and they reveal the Easter Bunny's true gender!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on Monday mornings. We're looking at the Zikeis through the powerful pop culture, poor cruxes that are our icons. We use these icons to create meaning.

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Yeah. And most importantly, we use these. icons to learn that when you look back over the Easters of your life and you only see one set of prints in the sand, that's not because Jesus abandoned you. It's because a giant egg-laying bunny was carrying both you and Jesus on her back. That's right. We're talking about maybe the strangest holiday mascot, the original E.B. White, the Easter Bunny. Sniff, sniff, sniff, sniff, Mr. Buckbuck Bunny.

I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Hey, keep those Cadbury eggs the fuck away from me. Oh my God. Not interested because they're too good and addictive. Dude, I remember the commercials in the 80s. I was like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. And it was like chicken bunny thing.

And it laid that fucking egg and laid that inside. Yeah. And I remember eating one for the first time. I was so underwhelmed. I was like, this is... Oh, really? Yeah, I love the... As a sugar freak, like, that is the sugaryest.

Like, the inside of that is... It's just molten sugar. It's just molten sugar. It's just molten sugar that they, like, bait... They turned into, like, base. Precum? Yeah, it's... Sorry.

There's no pre-com. It's all the heavy... It's viscous. Heavy ropes of sugar cum. Yeah, no, no, no, no, sir. Disgusting. I'm fine with the regular hard shell Cadbury. eggs. I don't mind those. Like, you know what I mean? Just the shell egg?

The shell egg with nothing? Nothing inside. What do you mean? Like, yeah, like at M&M. Like it's like, it's got like a, it's like milk chocolate with the candy shell. Those, I fuck with those. Miss me with that shit. Well, that's, see, this is the duality that we present. I do just because as a as a sugar freak, I love the big catberry eggs, which have do seem to be getting smaller. And the, uh, Resey's eggs. Yeah, yeah, those are great. Those are so good. What, what a, what a balance. In third seat. We're thrilled to be joined

about one of our favorites, one of your favorites, a comedian, writer, producer, podcaster, who you know from lady to lady, a wonderful podcast,

and something called stand up comedy. It's Brandy Posey! Hell yeah, been chomping at the bit to jump in on the Cadbury egg discussion. Oh my God.

How do we feel? I want to give voice to the voiceless. Catherine in the chat, you said, Nope, Miles. What are we talking about?

What was the nope? Talking about nope to the tiny one. that look like Eminems, just eat an Eminem. Just eat it fucking Eminem, bro. Wow. What do you like better about those than Eminems? This is just like a different balance of the sugar candy shell.

It's the chocolate. It's the Cadbury chocolate itself. Yeah, that's true. I like it has superior milk chocolate. Have you had like actual Cadbury like UK version of these? Because there's the UK version and then there's our version. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's actually go bad because they're not just plastic with goo inside. Right.

They have like a born on date where I still find, I have found Easter eggs with candy still in them and just popped that candy in my mouth. No. Like, and it's from like last year, maybe two years ago is Easter, where I'm like going back to hide the eggs.

A little, a spoiler alert for the kiddos out there. And yeah, I find that we, we forgot to crack one. I will still eat the candy. And I never died. Where are you at,

brandy with the Cadbury's. You're not the cream egg, you don't seem like you're not in the... I'm not anymore. There was a time. I think... You're reformed? Yeah, yeah, I am reformed. I hit a point where I was like, we can't be doing this anymore. Right, right, right. Because it was just like sugar straight to the dome in a way

that I was like, oh, I feel like a beat dropping when I would eat a Cadbury egg. You're like licking the sludge out and I was like, you can't. I think I got go to a meeting over these eggs. Whoa, what the fuck's in these things?

Oh, shit. You just black out. Come two, 20 minutes later. There's just shit like foil stuck to your face. Your shoes are on the wrong feet. You're like, what the fuck? It's like a push zoom.

Yeah. 20 minute long push zoom on your face. I do. All right. So a little behind the scenes on how we choose our icon. We have a list of icons that we send out. Don't give it all the way. Like the icons that we've done.

Hold on a list. We got a list of like, you know, potential icons to do. And send them out to our guests. And Randy, we reached out to you. You snapped up the Easter Bunny. I did. Yeah. I thought Easter Bunny was going to sit on the shelf.

Like an NBA player who shouldn't have come to the draft and is still there. Look at the second round. Like I thought the Easter Bunny was just going to be chilling. I'm so glad you did. I learned a lot in researching this episode. And shout out to J.M. McNabb for helping with the research. But can you explain what about the Easter Bunny spoke to you? So I felt like if not me, then who?

Number one. True revolutionary. Real heroes step up. Exactly. I was like, somebody's got to do it. I actually have experience, unfortunately, as a mall Easter Bunny. In 2018, for two weeks at the Eagle Rock. Plaza.

I was a ball. Yeah. So like low tier Easter Bunny too. Yeah. Eagle Rock Plaza too. Actually, here's a photo of me with my dog in the Easter Bunny costume. This is me.

Holy shit. Now you are a very nice looking Easter Bunny. See, you say that in person, this suit is horrifying. Because I have a joke about it on my new album. This is actually, this is the album cover also. Like I did this. I made this the album cover. I have a whole joke about being the Easter Bunny.

Because I did it. I played the Kennedy Center with one of my shows. And I came back. I know this is 2018 Kennedy Center. I'm just going to say, 2018 Kennedy Center. Back when it was worth a damn. Yeah.

I came back. I had one day and then I started two weeks as a Mall Easter Bunny. So it was this real like deep humbling. And that costume you can only see out through the mouth. And like, and you'd have kids come up and just like. And it's not a big mouth. No, it's not like,

it doesn't have a gate. being smile. It's kind of a small mouth. It's a small mouth and what would happen. Because here at LA, March gets hot. So you would be in this costume, sweating, and silence. And they would just be like, put a podcast on. So you're listening

on headphones to whatever the hell you're listening to. I put on a lot of murder podcast because I was like, I feel like I don't, this is the right energy for the Easter Bunny. But then when a kid wasn't sitting on you, you would lean over and put your face over a fan just to try to like get air.

into your face. The Easter Bunny just constantly looks like he's like nodding off. Like, maybe a little Yeah. A little dope sick. Exactly. And I emailed the company actually this week

because my album just came out and I emailed the company that I worked for to be like, is this suit still in rotation? I'd like to come take a photo of me with my album cover with the Easter Bunny. And they were like, what did they? I'm going to get the exact wording. It was a strange email back.

said, sure. The suit is not currently in circulation, is what they said. And I was like, what? They went through their legal team on that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Erica got back to me. I'm shocked she responded to the email. Well, you got one that is?

Yeah, yeah. No, you said you played the Kennedy Center. I'm aware of the Donald J. Trump and the John F. Kennedy Memorial Center for the Performing Arts. Is that what it used to be called the Kennedy Center? Yes, that's what it used to be called. Well, it used to be Kennedy's name. Yeah, interesting.

Yeah, I didn't know that. First, yeah, yeah. Wasn't that crazy? You're like, fuck yeah, bro, I just played the Kennedy Center. Yeah. I'm leaning over a fan to the tiny mouthful so I don't get like heat stroke in this felt cost. That's why it's really important to support your artists materially and financially,

you guys, because- Let's mark that as number one on the list of like things that we need to do to make over the Easter Bunny is like we need a suit. this is spring this is a spring holiday this is our icon of a spring holiday it's warm most places most places this is going to be a problem yeah sure to be full on like this this costume is warmer than santa's suit yes and you're putting them in a fucking yeah well and i'll do this on the fourth of july guys what are we doing and i'll tell you what you're not getting paid what santa's getting paid oh i bet people talk a lot about like

the, you know, the gender gap, you know, the racial gap. No one is talking about the Easter Bunny Santa Claus gap. I want to talk about it. That's what I'm here to talk about, Brandy. Real Christians should be upset about that actually. I mean, because one's actually to do with the fucking save, the resurrection. That's what I'm saying. Is it? That's what I want to. Yeah, that's true.

I want to get into this because let's get it. We talked about the collision of the pagan with the Christian in our modern U.S. holidays. I feel like the Easter bunny is the fucking crux of the, like, the most pagan shit. Like with Santa, you've got a religious code name. He goes by St. Nick. He gives the church plausible deniability. The Easter bunny could it be, like, it's a bunny that brings and lays candy-filled, brightly colored eggs.

And the ostensible Christian reason for the season is like the brutal murder of and then spooky resurrection of Jesus. Christ. Yeah. Joseph Christ. Hell yeah. It's, I guess they both have to do with like rebirth. Like that's the, that's the closest I can get. I guess, yeah.

To your point. And Catherine in the chat's like, yeah, Christians hate it. Because it's funny, my grandmother who was a very, you know, upstanding Christian woman, she definitely, she kind of had misgivings about the Easter Bunny. Never like that it was visible to me. But I remember my grandpa would be really excited about that in the Easterer thing. And she would kind of always be. be less enthusiastic about it.

I had a feeling I was to do because she was like, we need to remember what Jesus did, suffered on the cross for. I'm like, yeah, yeah, more on that later. More of that later. There's a fucking human-sized bunny. Yeah, yeah. Laying eggs next to me, please.

Yeah, be chocolate, grandma. Yeah, we'll get to the fact. The Christians have been upset about it. They've also tried to like make some bizarre attempts to make the Easter bunny like Jesus's wing man. and like a story where the like the Easter bunny is just like one of the apostles in one of these children's stories

I just have a picture of the last supper you just do a snow pan down the table of the last supper and then at the end of some fucker in a rabbit costume I think another like in addition to the costume being horribly designed for the season I'm going to say I think another major problem we have

is the Easter bunny is a she and they will not let the Easter bunny be. She lays eggs. She's like historically, she's an example of the divine feminine. And like, it's this one place, this one holiday where we let like the divine feminine

and eggs and like rebirth, like sneak into our modern patriarchal world. And like, yeah, they won't, they keep, they make Russell Brand be like she, she never gets,

to be a woman in any of the movies. Right. Yeah. And yeah. Like I, I feel like we need to, I was listening to a podcast where they acknowledged the pagan origins, but then they were like, and the reason the eggs are painted this color is because, like, green represents the color of the herbs that were like fed to Jesus on the cross.

Oh, fuck. No. You're retconning. You're recconning. Yeah. They're painted the color of flowers for, like a spring festival. Like, this is our mid-Somar.

Like, the Easter Bunny should be our May queen. Like, this is what we need to do with the Easter Bunny. We need to reclaim the Easter Bunny as our divine feminine. And they just, like, won't let it happen. So what you're saying is that malls should start having a man paralyzed in a bear suit. Yes. That's who we should be taking photos with at this time of year. And there's a huge opportunity.

here. As you said, like, the Easter Bunny is not quite Santa Claus, but the Easter Bunny is the face of a holiday that Americans spend $24 billion on a year. That's twice as much as Halloween somehow. Wait, really? No fucking way. There's Halloween a far superior holiday. Yeah. And celebrated by mathematically way more people. I know. And fucking Easter. But I think it's because people buy like new nice outfits on Easter. And then brunches more expensive than shitty candy. Oh, right,

because all the Easter shit you do on. Oh, that's true. Because, yeah, I was getting together with my family. We have massive fucking barbecue, like cook out all kinds of shit. The basket is a whole thing. And that costs more than the sack I'm getting candy in for sure.

That's true. Oh, yeah. Because the Catholic kids I grew up down the street from, they got so much fucking shit for Easter. I was like, what the fuck is this? shit, mom.

This motherfucker got a fucking Nintendo game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I remember got the Ken Griffey. There's a Ken Griffey Jr. Super Nintendo game that came out that year. I still remember this day he fucking got that shit for fucking Easter. I went to my grandparents' house. I had stale-ass Hershey's.

I got one gift, I think, in an Easter basket, and it was he's the DJ on the rapper, the Will Smith album when I was a kid. I still remember that. I'm like, God damn. Man, we were a candy.

Good year, huh, guys? Yeah, yeah. We were candy only Easter basket household, I think. Yeah. That's wild. I didn't even think about, like, get the presence of it all. Yeah. So we're going to start with the origins, which I think gets into some of this divine feminine.

But any questions you guys have up top or anything, any other Easter bunny thoughts before we get into the dossier? Main thought was that it never occurred to me the gender sex of the Easter bunny. No. Me neither really before we started doing this. Then I'm like, yeah, of course, why would this motherfucker be laying eggs? Yeah. But then also, what kind of bunnies laying fucking, you know what I mean? But then you're like, what kind of bunny lays eggs?

And then you're like, why? It's a hat on a hat. Like the reason it's a bunny is because it's like a fertility symbol, like an ancient fertility symbol because they fuck a lot. What I'm saying is I'm entering this conversation with my 12 year old idea of what Mr. Bunny was have not really given it much thought outside of me. Yeah, right. What the fuck does I have to do with anything?

So, yeah, I've already been like, Oh, damn. It's a female. Dude, the idea of starting to call the Easter Bunny, she, like I think will really start blowing people's minds. I'm looking forward to being insufferable about it this holiday season. Yeah. Well, you never know what he's going to be.

She. She, excuse me. She lays eggs. Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry. And you go to the dad and go, oh, I'm sorry, sir, do you lay eggs? Do you have eggs? And this doesn't have to get into a sticky debate about.

gender or anything like that. No, you have the eggs. Interesting. Let me see him. Let's see him. That's always not, it's not how I always thought of. When they come out of your butt?

Yeah. The Easter buddy does have like a, and it's pat quality about it though. I feel like. But then sometimes you see this saying, I'm not saying that like it is canonically female. I'm saying it should be canonically female.

It should be. But then haven't you seen where like the motherfuckers dressed up looking like a dapper dan and shit with like a straw hat and garters on its arm? I guess in a barbersop quartet. And I'm like, fuck is that. Yeah, very Mr. Toad sometimes. Yes. And like Rankin Bass is like tried to do a bunch of like all the same tricks that were used to build Santa and Rudolph were used with the Easter Bunny. They just haven't worked. My theory is that it's because they're barking up the wrong tree. They're making it a boy every single time. And it just like that's not that's not what it wants to be. That's not what the zeitgeist wants the Easter Bunny. That's not what our patriarchs.

demands. Yeah. Our patriarchy demands one thing. I think our shared consciousness demands something else. Like it, yeah. So there's a lot of debate about the specifics of her origin story. We do know that bunnies were important pagan symbols going back to the Neolithic

age in Europe, which is 10,000 BC to 2000 BC. During the Neolithic age in Europe, hairs were given ritual. burials alongside humans, which was, archaeologists believe, was a religious ritual with hairs representing rebirth. So right from the start, you have it. The Neolithic, by the way, 10,000 BC, so it's the last part of the stone aid.

I'm going to say it's still stone tools, right? Yeah, still stone tools. It's when they first get the idea, like, farming. We've talked about how, like, all of a sudden, the same idea will occur in multiple places around the world. Right. And this is the Neolithic package, like these developments that happen in different places all around the world, introducing a farming, domestication of animals, change from hunter-gatherer lifestyle to one of settlement.

And it happens when we got our shit together. It's when humanity got their shit together or fell into a trap that they would never recover from. Some have said. Wow. The Easter Bunny has seen it all. I know. The Easter Bunny has been with us. for it all.

Pre- Jesus. Pre-P-Christianity, then, obviously, too, yeah. Pre-Abrahamecala. You're preached, dude? It's like right around the very first books in the Old Testament is like when we know that they were already burying people with hairs and rabbits. So maybe Jesus should be a rabbit. I'm just saying, like, Jesus can be like, she influenced me, guys.

I would have been way more into Christianity if they're like, and thank God for this rabbit. Yeah. And on the line for us. I'm like, shout out to that rabbit. Yeah. Yeah,

everything I do is possible. Well, I have a book for you that we're going to get to later on. During the Iron Age, ritual burials of hairs were common. And in 51 BC, Julius Caesar mentions that in Britain, hairs were not eaten due to their religious significance.

So in like pagan Britain, Britannia, hairs are essentially to them what like cats are to ancient Egypt. Wow. By the way, the neolithic age, like, ends with the age of ancient Egypt. So it's like the era before that. That's how long ago we're talking. So pagan, pre-Christian history of hairs being treated as special animals, linked to rebirth. I guess that is the one way, like I said, like Christian, Easter is about Jesus rising from the dead,

which is a sort of rebirth. But originally... Wait, hold on. What other rebirths are there? You can't ever technically be reborn, am I right? Yeah, yeah. Just in a metaphorical way. I mean, I guess just birth is a rebirth of like a species.

Something new. Oh, sure, sure. I'm being very self-centered. The spring is a rebirth of the earth comes back to life. And it's not tied carmically to like your comeback as like a different animal or level along the way too. It's just like the act of just being reborn. Okay. Something's coming back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Hairs were sacred to Aphrodite, the ancient Greek goddess of love, which is why hairs and rabbits have long been symbols of sexuality. So we just have like a lot of examples of rabbits and hairs being linked to the feminine, being linked to rebirth,

reproduction, and the sacred. Wait a second. Wait a second. I'm just realizing Jessica Rabbit. is like that actually should be the mascot of the holiday season. That should be Jessica

rabbit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it should be here. Yeah. The divine feminine horny rabbit woman is, yeah, we're doing it all wrong. Nothing about her was rabbit.

Easter bunny and Jessica rabbit. Yeah, yeah, rabbit. Back at it. The Virgin Mary is often shown with a white hair or rabbit symbolizing that she overcame sexual temptation. So they're like getting in on the sort of pagan iconography very early on in Christian art. I just love the horniness that's implied there.

They're like, not only is she a virgin, but she wanted to like, you know. Yeah, yeah. She was like a rabbit, but she like didn't, she didn't do it. No, she like could have. She's a good rabbit. No, no. She had God's son. That's right.

That's right. but like how often were they? You know, like, was it going on between the two of them? Because maybe that. Yeah, what's God's sperm count? No one talks about this. That's right. There's also, so Easter is associated with this goddess Eostre, which, like, this one comes

from a monk from the 600s, who then gets quoted by the Grim brothers. and that, like, your myth is going to become canon, if the Grims put it in their book. But so this is where people, like, jump in and be like, um, actually, uh, the idea that Eouistre was a pagan goddess who is associated with rabbits was first quoted by this monk in the 600s, which is true, but it's like, I don't know, that's just one part, one piece of evidence that like,

there is this divine pagan, feminine association with rabbits. So they're just like cherry pigging one thing and trying to be like that, there got him. It's not a pagan ritual. Also, that one monk was weird and nobody liked him.

Right. Dude, what are you talking about again, bro? Yeah. He's rabbits, man. All right. Yeah, get the fuck out of it. Throw his wine out. Also, Easter,

the word Easter is related to estrus, which is a recurring period of sexual receptivity and fertility in female mammals. So it's like everything is like about women's cycles. It's also a holiday that's not on a set day. Yeah. It's a holiday that is determined. It's vibed out based on the lunar cycle and also like the equinox. Like it couldn't be more feminine and pagan.

Like everything about this holiday is so like feminist and pagan. It's like we're, yeah, they're doing combination of lunar cycles and spring equinox, which I think their explanation is like, well, that's how Passover is determined. And Jesus probably died on Passover. But like, I don't know. That doesn't really make sense. Or like that doesn't change the fact that you're like looking at the lunar cycle to determine when your holiday is. Right, right, right, right.

Yeah, definitely. Man, I want to know what the Easter Bunny sign is. Yeah. What do you think? Very hip, man. Hopefully it was born in the year of the rabbit. Yeah. So it conforms to the Chinese zodiac.

Yeah, yeah, hopefully. You need to overlap. It's all a waste. Well, in my brain, I just went, well, Easter is, tends to be an Ares. But also I'm like, now I'm just like, oh, that's the, that's not the Easter Bunny's birthday. So who knows?

Yeah. And I don't know enough about astrology to continue this riff. Let's go deeper. Basically, my thesis on the whole, like, controversy around the origin of the Easter Bunny is, like, people are like, there are all these different examples of, like, pagan influence where, like, bunnies are important. One of them seems maybe, like, a little bit weak,

and that's the one that most often gets quoted on the Internet. And so people are like, so. therefore it's not true. But there's not like an alternate explanation where they're like, and actually it came from this thing where like Jesus loved rabbits or you know what I mean? Like they don't have an alternate explanation. So it's just clearly an example of like the divine feminine. Like for sure.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. The first mention of a bunny that lays eggs was I think 1572, the Germans. Those freaky, those freaky fucks. Some classic German shit. What was it? There's some fucking weird fairy tale about some freaky mixed-up rabbit. They said, do not worry

if the Easter bunny escapes you. Should we miss his eggs, we will cook the nest. Oh, German. That's the most German. Oh, but wait, so in this version, it's his eggs? Oh, yeah, they were already trying to change things.

Going wild. Wow. The Easter bunny then spreads to the U.S. in the 1700s. I actually have a German friend who I talked to for this and he says that like Easter is a huge

holiday in Germany. Like, it was funny because he didn't really like know what our tradition was like, it's crazy. Like we die these eggs. I was like, yeah, no, we do that too. Go on. What? But then they they also do an Easter egg hunt, but

instead of putting the candy in plastic eggs, they just like put the candy out in the yard. But they also have a thing that I really like where after you dye the eggs, you decorate a tree with them. And it's like not a Christmas tree, but like a different tree that you bring into your house. Like a dogwood or something. Yeah.

Nice little dogwood. Wow. Okay. So there's an Easter tree. Oh, my. Easter egg tree. Okay. I didn't do it.

I also love. Somebody who just took their Christmas tree down. Yeah. I'm not joking yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And it was, it was just became a daunting thing.

And I think our collective familial ADD was just like, ah, let it cook. I feel you. I took my, I took my outside lights down last weekend because I was just like, I was like, I can't. Part of me you should have been like, fuck, bro,

it could have been an Easter tree. We just fucking held on it. Yeah, especially like you did, you know, he was saying that it's not a tree usually that has leaves on it. So. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, just a barren tree that you decorate with beautiful eggs. Yeah. There's also a lot of scholarly debate about when they first started laying eggs and why they lay eggs. I'm just going to say, like, it's a fertility symbol. Yeah, for sure. If America was symbolized by like a fighter jet-sized bald eagle that, like, shit nuclear weapons and the explosions were like red, white, and blue, we wouldn't be like, how'd they come up?

It'd be like, yeah, that's, we get it. Like the symbolism's a little A little heavy-handed But we get it You know Yeah definitely I'm sure a bunch of different people got to the rabbit laying eggs You know

I'm liking the idea of like Because Germany has a crampus And I've always thought that every holiday Should have a crampus Like a villain to go with it Balance the scales Yeah And I'm like just thinking of like an Easter crampus

It's just a fucked up dude rabbit Burner like bone around Just whipping eggs at people on the street. Yeah. I like that. It's egging everybody. Yeah.

God, why? Or steals the eggs? I mean, or you gotta steal kids, right? Because it's like, yeah, I'll fucking kill you, man. Yeah. Can we lift that quote, Brian?

Can we get my old saying you got to steal kids? You got to steal kids. I go, I'll fucking kill you, man. Come on. You don't like these eggs? They're Cadbury's. I became a millionaire

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endangered. And the Easter, like bunnies are the opposite. So essentially they like, they did create a reverse Easter bunny. They did. The Easter bilby is, that's the crampus of Easter. There you go. Yeah, there we go. They're really cute.

I just looked them up and I was like, oh, God. They kind of look bunnyish. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're endangered. Long-nosed motherfuckers? Yeah. Oh, hell yeah.

All right, you, BLB? Yeah. Other gift-bearing animals include the Easter cuckoo in Switzerland and in some parts of Germany. The Easter fox in Sweden, or no, in, sorry, in some parts of Germany, the Easter fox or the Easter rooster leave eggs. In Sweden, it's an Easter witch who hails from an ancient cultural tradition. The Sweden one is associated with.

witches due to the quote old belief that witches would fly to a German mountain the Thursday before Easter to cavort with Satan and then they visit you on the way back just got back from cavorting with Satan. Yeah, they just stopped by on their walk of shame.

Russia, it's dogs who lay the Easter eggs, which I don't like that at all. That's fucking weird. Because I mean, it's going to look like they're taking a shit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Like there's no, there's no, I can already see it arched back. Yeah. All low to the ground.

Not good. And then a beautiful egg. A beautiful flower colored egg. Don't touch that. Don't touch that. You know, they probably swallowed that thing. Came out the other head. The Easter Bunny became a commercial powerhouse.

Thanks largely to German American candy maker Robert Strohiker, who created a five foot tall solid chocolate rabbit in 1890 to popularize small. versions of his new Easter sweets born of the German tradition. It reportedly weighed 400 to 500 pounds and would cost $10,000 today to make. And obviously it totally worked. But obviously at a certain point, they started making the bunnies out of hollowed-out chocolate. It's almost certainly as a money-saving measure. I will say there's something about the sensory experience of biting off a hollow bunny ear

that is unbeatable to me. Even though that was like probably an attempt to like save money, I am a fan of the hollow bunnies. What about you guys? I love them. And you have to start with the ear, right? I feel like that was always like...

Yeah, you always, you trim the ears off. Oh, yeah, yeah. Dude, my, my grandfather... Eat the ass off of it first. Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. If somebody just went ass first or Easter, buddy. You're looking at the ear and they go,

no. Oh. God damn. My grandfather, I remember one year jokingly bit off the Easter bunny ears of me and my brother's Easter, like, hollow Easter bunnies. And we were inconsolable. Oh my God.

I feel so bad for you. I know. Look, he had World War II to process. So, like, I understand that now. It was, I think he was PTSD. Well, wasn't that funny back then for those people? That didn't exist for them? No.

No. PTSD. Everyone who was in World War II, Korea. PTSD, what? What? No, man. I'm just, I'm just someone who sure likes to drink. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I don't want to be. Yeah, and I don't want to be home ever. No, no, no, no. Don't want to be around you guys and I'm going to keep drinking. I'm just going to drive and sleep in my own bed. Yes, absolutely. And eat the buddy ears off of my, all of my grandkids. Yeah.

I think it is, it's just like the, I think it's also because like as a kid, you look at you, dude, this thing's fucking substantial. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's like, oh, it's, like, I think it's just sort of like the juxtaposition of it's seeming. Like, it's wrapped in foil and you carefully take the foil off just for a nice little, and it comes together. It's just like breaks into shards. Yeah.

Then melt. Yeah. Like melty shards. And you got to save it. I don't. No, you don't. No. No.

Delicious. I mean, they could, but I don't want to figure that out. Other Halloween candy that is classic. we've talked about the Cadbury eggs. Miles had a bizarre opinion that the candy shells are fun. As good as the gooey. You know what it's really, you know what it is? It's because of the fucking commercial with that freaky.

Oh, that commercial was upsetting. Yeah. And I think that really, it was like, it felt like I was watching like David Lynch's like naked lunch for the first time or something. Which you did watch. by the way, canonically mildly a racer head.

A racer head was the very first what I saw. But that naked lunch like within the year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right after that. Oh, wow. Like my dad was like,

we saw a racer head and naked lunch in the same weekend. But I remember there's like when the chicken, there's like that chicken shit dancing thing. Yeah. That, I,

for whatever reason, I connect the Cadbury Bunny to that moment. It's like really disorienting for me. And I think then it was like an egg and it had like yokey shit. I'm like, this is all too.

Lynchian and dark Yeah. Oh, he probably loved that commercial. I wish I could have seen David Lynch see the Cadbury Bunny. Just phenomenal. It lays eggs.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Beautiful. That is the most fucking. You're looking at a very unusual kind of egg from Cadbury.

That's only around till Easter. It shall. is pure. Cadbury milk chocolate. I'm getting so horny for that egg. Look at that. It's because it has like a yolk too. Yeah.

This is what fucked me up is the yellow too. And it looks, the yolk looks like a different consistency. Yes. Yeah. And then you eat it and then you're like this. And I don't know. And I guess that's the thing is like,

I don't know what the fuck this is supposed to taste like is a fucked up egg. Yeah. And then it's just like straight non-descript sugar. It just, yeah. Sorry. I really like that. Like that commercial is one of the most. most iconic Easter bunnies for me.

Because it's just straight forward. It's a bunny. It lay eggs. And it's like that. And it's going, like chicken. Do you guys fuck with peeps? I'm not a huge peep fan. Disgusting. I feel like Easter is just kind of fucking it up. Like,

like whoever is, it's like, it's like a, like, sports franchise that is like run by bad management. and you're just like, they always make, like, bad choices. They went all in on E, on Peeps. Yeah. Like, they did a big Easter Bunny movie, and it was, they cast Russell Brands.

So, it's very L.A. Chargers, you're right. Yeah. It does have, like, has a real, like, what is this? What are doing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, peeps are, I remember, remember knowing that if you put one in a microwave, they get real big. They get big.

And that was cool. That is cool. Yeah, yeah. They expand in a microwave. They look like they're going to explode. That's fun. But yeah, the candy's not great. I think the best Easter candy is the Reese's cup that is egg-shaped.

Egg, yeah, yeah, because I think the ratio of peanut butter. Egg. Egg. Egg. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the best. The ratio, that's the best peanut butter to chocolate ratio that, that's the best peanut butter to chocolate ratio that Reese's has achieved.

Yes. The A. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's my favorite. Mm-hmm. Moving on. So they were like, we need to get our Easter numbers up. We're going to get Easter bunnies out there like Mall Santas in the 1940s and the 1950s. Some of the appearances, they look like kind of modern Eastern bunnies just in black and white.

And some of them look like they got deleted from the ring video for being too accursed. I'm just going to put a couple of these in the chat for you guys. Oh, I'm excited to see these. I love a horrible Easter Bunny. Yeah, the one with just like the like the porcelain mask. Yeah, it's like a porcelain mask on top of like a. That's the freakyest one I've seen. That's horrifying.

And then this one is also just. Oh. It looks like they were like, okay, make the Easter Bunny look like Vincent Donofrio's character in right before he kills himself in full metal jacket. Yeah. Or like Jack Nicholson's character in The Shining. Yeah. Would you like to play a game?

Find my eggs. There's a key inside. It's just so sinister. It just feels fucking like, it really is. I shot Sooners. 24 millimeter film. Yeah. Yeah, that's horrifying.

Oh, man. Yeah, they are very. they're upsetting often. And honestly, I made a lot of children cry when I was a mall Easter bunny. Like, do you think?

Yeah. Oh, I'm sure, right? But that, that costume you're in was like, fine.

It didn't, it wasn't like these ones were like, compared to this, it just looks like a big stuffed bunny. Yes, compared to these, totally leagues better.

Absolutely. Yeah. It's, it's like, I wonder if like, Disney changed the game to be like, now you guys are fucking up

with like character costumes. These are all fucking terrifying. Yeah, can we please help? Because like Disney has like the one like those characters like those big I wonder if that like subtly changed how people saw like oh yeah these got to look real cute rather than like I don't know it's fucking bunny but it looks like it's dangery at all the kids.

It looks like its soul has been removed through the back of its head and has been like a serial killer is like inside of this thing. Also shout out to that chair like that retan woven chair that everyone had. It's a nice chair. Love it. Shout to the little girl who's just making the best of it. Big smile on her face. I mean, yeah.

I was thinking of that chair in the context of that Huey Newton portrait. Yeah. You know what I mean? He's got the, but this is like the Easter bunny. He's just like, yeah.

Yeah. There's also really no widely accepted lore behind the Easter bunny. Like whether, like, does she keep a naughty list? Like Santa, who makes all the chocolate.

There's this article from 1953 where one of your fellow performers, one of your fellow Easter bunny, Thespians recalled, like, having a last-minute panic when she realized that she had no fucking clue like what the Easter Bunny was supposed to say

to kids. I don't know, man. Fuck off. Eventually, I just settled on, like, what's your favorite egg color? That's hilarious. That's like the best she could do. At our Easter Bunny orientation,

they said you do not speak to the children. You do not speak. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah. We don't talk. We do a lot of like mugging and then we would like do a lot of shushing. We would shush them is how you, but a silent shush. And then often because I had several kids that would come up and they'd be like,

I can see your face. And you were supposed to cover the mouth of the costume and go like, right. Yeah, yeah. Embarrassed. Yeah. Yeah. Which is enclosing yourself into the darkest darkness that you've ever seen.

Yeah. Oh, God. Make it real for the kids. God. Yeah. You're like, oh, you can see my face. I see. I can see where you sleep at night.

No, no. Yeah, exactly. Why did they tell you to shush the kids? I think just to stop asking them to stop asking questions. Just. Oh. They're like, are you a real Easter bunny? Shut the fuck up.

Don't think about it too much. Don't think about any of it. I don't do that. Is my grandpa going to get out of the hospital? I can't. I have zero power, I think. I think I just have a cloaca. Complete silence.

Yeah. She said, look, look, kid, I just got a cloaca. That's all I'm just going to go shit out some colorful eggs. That's all I got, kid. What I don't know what you want. All you want? All these bunnies' eyes are on the front of their face like predators. Yeah, whereas real bunnies have them on the side.

They're very, you know. I got out of their wits about them. Terrified. Yeah. So, as mentioned, Rankin and Bass, the company behind classics like Rudolph and Frosty tried to work their TV special magic on the Easter, multiple times with far less success, 1971s.

Here comes Peter Cotton Tail, which floated the theory that there are many Easter bunnies and one chief Easter bunny that nobody remembers that, right? Like you guys don't remember that. I had no idea. Was Peter Cottontail always an Easter rabbit character? I just remember the idea of a rabbit called Peter Cotton. I think they were like collapsing.

Yeah, they were collapsing all the rabbit bunny universes as long as they could get away with it for rights purposes. That one also had January Q iron tail, a Nazi coated rabbit who wants to ruin Easter for children as revenge for a

child who roller skated over his tail forcing him to wear a prosthetic iron one. Oh, this motherfucker is hit like with the hair and everything. Yeah, they just made him look like Hitler. And the stop motion like looks good on this. Like I had no

idea this existed. I don't remember ever seeing the Rudolph or the frosty specials, but when I see a screen cap from them or like a still from them, I'm like, oh yeah, I've seen this. I know this. Right, right, right. Yeah. Whereas this one is just

completely for it. No, this, I have zero recollection of it. I'm fascinated to see this, though. I know. From 1971, doesn't that look pretty good for 1971? Is it? Yeah. Like, did they get like canceled or something. Is it like bad? And like so it just doesn't, like they're like, yeah, we actually don't even

show that shit anymore. No, I think just nobody gave a fuck. Gives a fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I don't care, man. Fuck, yeah. Leave me alone. Uh, the first Easter rabbit in 1976 about how the Easter bunny was once a stopped toy who was given to a girl for Christmas. The girl catches scarlet fever and the mom is instructed to burn all her things, including her bunny. Uh, really like dark. This one, his eyes are touching in the front. Like he's, that's how sinister he is. Apex Predator then. Apex Predator. Wow. If your two front eyes are

touching like a sideclops, you don't need to give a fuck about anything except for what's in front of you. Okay. Wow. The here comes Peter Cottontail movie. The entire thing is on YouTube available, by the way. So I know what I'm doing after this. I feel like a lot of those like Ross, what's it called? What's that company called again?

Rankin and Bass. Rankin and Bass. There's like a lot of Japanese people were working on that shit too, like for character design and stuff. Like they did a good job. Yeah. I mean, they're awesome. Casey Kasim was the voice of Peter Kattenka in that one. Was he really?

Yeah. He was eating with the Easter. Well, he, that motherfucker got all the voice gig, like voice gigs in that era probably. Yeah. But we do all, of course, remember, uh, 1977s, the Easter Bunny is coming to town. Uh, they were like, I don't know, man. Can we just like make a sequel to Santa Claus is coming to town? Oh, God.

Also hosted by Fred Astaire's male carrier character, all about the history of the Easter Bunny and his jolly hobo friend. Oh, like that dude with a hat who was like, hey, kid, show. We did it. Wow. I honestly believe, like over and over, they're like, we don't know what's wrong. And they always make it a boy. They just like will not give the idea that it's a woman.

or, you know, a female rabbit. A female. Where all the females at? Easter Bunny is a Easter. The best we got to do is get the manisph-poisoned the manosphere. So people go like, man, this is actually, these are female traits I'm seeing from the Easter bunny, y'all. Keep this away from your kids. This should be a female.

2011's hop is probably the nadier for the Easter bunny. It's a movie in which Russell Brand plays. the Easter Bunny's son who's like about to inherit the throne, but runs away because he's more interested in drumming than delivering chocolate to children. A key plot point involves him auditioning for David Hasselhoff. For his band? He, it's like, it's unclear. Yeah, I mean, he's playing.

I think maybe they were like, we get like David Letterman as like, you know, he can audition for like a late night show and they're like, no. No. Fuck no. Weird. I know nothing about this movie at all either. Oh, James Marsden's in it? This is one that was in the rotation of children's movies when, you know, my kids.

Yeah. When I had kids. So I have seen parts of this. And it's, yeah, it's a James Marsden joint. It was like where James Marsden got his wacky sidekick to animated character that's not really there, chops, that he would go on to display in the Sonic movies. Yeah, I was like this bunny hopped so Sonic could run. I got it.

Okay, cool. But I feel like in the same way that they had to make all priests boys to like overcompensate for the erasure of the divine feminine and the Catholic Church, they had to create an affront to feminine divinity by casting Russell fucking brand as the Easter bunny. That's so crazy. Oh, shit. I like that it takes place in the valley, though. The bunny runs away to Hollywood, just ends up in Van Nuys. Just ends up in Van Nuys.

Just ends up in Van Nuys. Just getting street tacos. I love it. Yeah, welcome, man. Welcome, dude. The Zancoonsal pulpit is great, dude. So many fireworks. Yeah.

The Easter Bunny does show up in the Santa Claus, too. It's unclear if he was another regular guy that accidentally killed the previous Easter Bunny or not. But is it a person in a suit? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's terrifying. Jesus Christ. It looks like a retired football.

player. Yeah. Easter Bunny is like kind of big, again, eyes right at the front of their head, but like tiny little eyes, you know? I like how in the Santa Claus is, we go diverse and it's Tracy Morgan. Wow. Yeah. It looks a little offensive. I'm not going to lie. I don't know what to feel about this shit. Easter Bunny just makes me feel real weird in every iteration. I'm like, I don't know. There's one I like. It may be just, yeah, it could be. it's all weird, freaky man or like weird masculine hulking figure bodies.

Yeah. Because that's be real, baby. Lola Bunny, you know what I mean? Thank you. And Miles, you're connecting with Lola Bunny, I think is that you recognize there's something correct there. Yeah, yeah. It's not in the front of Jesus Christ.

That's right. You know what I mean? It's a testament to his perfection. I'm going to start, I'm going to commission somebody to do Lola Bunny. Easter art of just her in like a virginal merry outfit. Oh my God.

Like Lola Bunny. Yeah, yeah. And like a midsummer outfit. Just like and that's what we should actually be stuff. That is my Easter bunny. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. That exists on Deviant Art somewhere right now. Right. Oh, yeah. That says that thing. People have made Lola Bunny be and do everything. I know. Yeah.

I feel bad for her. Be and do everything. I'm sorry, man. I know, dude. The internet is flushed up, dude. It's true. I mean, what's that movie with the Jason Babin's the Fox

and then there's the cop rabbit? Zootopia? Zootopia. I remember seeing the first Zootopia and being like, oh no, this is too horny. The internet's going to, the internet's going to be real weird about this.

Yeah, sure enough. Don't look at that. Yeah, don't look at a, it's bad. Yeah. Sad. Copia, porn. Miles, don't do it. Be careful.

Not on the company computer, Jack. I can do where I want. So there's a number of Christians that seem to be pretty pissed off. Wow. I told you, dude, be careful. Machi, Machi. Miles just loosened his collar

and his eyebrows are waggling up in them. It's bad. Oh, no. As mentioned, Christians seem to be a little bit pissed off that the bunny has distracted everyone from Jesus on his second most special day. Here's some headlines. Easter is not about the bunny perspective from a children's minister. It's not about the bunny from family faith builders.

Beware of the bunny, the dark origins of Easter's symbols from life, hope and truth. So one way they've chosen to try to battle that is with articles like that on the internet. But they've also taken a different approach, and there's been a number of awkward attempts to try to bring more focus back on Jesus by creating children's books about how Christ was friends with the Easter Bunny. Because that is honestly, like,

if they're going to argue that the Easter Bunny is not, like, pagan in origin, we need to create a mythology where Jesus is just homies with the Easter Bunny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love how the Christians always have to do this shit, Like, because kids ask questions and like, fuck, what am I supposed to say? They don't exist.

Like, when they're like, yeah, Jesus and dinosaurs. Yeah, yeah. That was a good thing I remember. They told me in Lutheran school. Not that they were saying, but they're like, yeah, of course Jesus knew about the dinosaurs type shit. I'm like, all right, bro. Wrote around on one. Yeah, yeah.

And now they're like, oh, yeah, the Easter Bunny and Christ were fucking, mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. there was the Easter Bunny meets Jesus, but 2024, we really start getting places with the story of the first Easter Bunny,

and it begins with the revelation that the Easter Bunny's mother is dying, and the Easter Bunny's, like, in her room with her. There's, like, pictures on the wall and, like, frames. He's looking out a, like, modern window next to, like, a modern cup of coffee next to the bed. And we soon learned that it's,

supposed to be AD 33 and the Easter Bunny goes in search of Jesus to heal his mom. He calls him up on his iPhone or whatever. And the Easter Bunny is present at the Last Supper. This is a book?

This is a children's book. We got to get this green. What is this called? What did you say this called? The story of the first Easter bunny. Oh, of the first Easter Bunny. Ah, okay. Okay. Thank you.

not his ass. This is goofy as fuck. This is crazy. This motherfucker is like hopping around fucking Jerusalem and shit. Yeah. He's just there on his knees next to Mary Magdalene

as Jesus is being crucified. Oh my God! When Jesus rises from his tomb, the Easter bunny's right there with Mary, Mother of God. waiting for him to heal her. Wow. Holy shit.

And when Jesus rises from the tomb, the Easter Bunny is waiting there with his sick mom, being like, hey, man. Where are you been, bro? So I know you said that you were going to help me out. Like doesn't even, isn't even like,

whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, I thought you were done, bro. Yeah. Can you give me a minute here? That's crazy, dog. Hey, like I said, the first thing that Jesus sees coming out of the tomb is someone being like, hey, you actually owe me an email back on this thing?

Yeah, exactly. Just bumping it. Bumping it, please. Just want to circle back on the sick mom thing? Yeah. This book is in, oh my God. Wow. The author tried to make it sound like he had written the book as like an act of revenge.

He said, he wrote it. to, quote, strike back at the secular culture, which is always trying its best to decristianize our holidays, always trying to give children worldly messages, decristianized holidays that have existed since 8,000 years before ancient Egypt. Just trying to decristianize everything. I always trying to do that. Honestly, bro, the story's kind of fucking stupid,

and you thought this was going to help out? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, show them. showed them I wrote a children's book that's completely made up. I'm just like imagining within what like 10 years

we're going to have people that like they believe that this is the origin. They'd be like yeah, of course. Right. The Easter Bunny was at the Garden of Gassimony. Yeah. The Easter bunny. 13 apostles. Yeah, yeah. I have that wrong. Yeah, exactly.

Mary still is not part of the apostles. She will not be counted. Right. It's got a bunny in there now instead. That's, wow. Man. I'm surprised they don't have like a new shroud of Turin where they're like, this is the one that the Easter bunny had on too.

Yeah. There are multiple shrouds. His cotton tail. Yeah. Yeah. How did the Easter buddy and Judas get along? I want to know what their relationship was like. He has kind of a troubled look at the last supper.

Like he kind of looks like someone who's watching a like alcoholic family member. like drink, you know? Like, he's like, kind of, his face is like a little bit of gas. Yeah. Because is that Judas at the end of the table kind of being like, I don't know the first one. Yeah.

I think that's supposed to be him. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of looking off to the side like, hmm. Hey, where are you on that one? Dip shit?

Maybe help your boy Jesus out. Yeah, exactly. The fuck, rabbit. That's, yeah, I do like the implication is that all the other apostles are just kind of like going along with it. And like only the Easter Bunny kind of sees that there's a problem here.

These fuckers are just sitting there all high and drunk and happy. Oh yeah, getting fucked up off their free wine and bread. Unlimited breadsticks and wine at Olive Garden when you go with Jesus, okay.

The White House Easter egg roll usually has an Easter bunny these days. That started in the 1969 in the Nixon administration thing. Shut up, Pat Nixon. The only weird, interesting detail, you may remember, like, a couple years ago during the Biden administration,

it was the 2022 Easter egg role, and, like, Biden was answering a foreign policy question in front of the media, and the Easter bunny, like, popped up. And, like, first of all, Biden, like, genuinely looked like he thought he had been interrupted by, like, a magical creature. Or he thought he was dead? Oh.

Yeah. The bomb went off. didn't it. But if you look at it from another angle, it's clear that the bunny's like, hey, get the fuck out of here. You're not supposed to be talking to the press right now.

Like it literally redirects him away. Which is kind of how, so the role of the Easter Bunny is traditionally filled by a White House staffer or insider. Oh, right. We actually found out about this because one of the, The most retroactively famous White House Easter Bunny's is Sean Spicer, who was the Easter Bunny for multiple years during the George W. Bush administration. Wow.

Wow. Sean Spicer was the Easter Bunny during the Bush administration? Yeah. Damn. That's a 9-11 Easter Bunny. That's how you start, dude. That's how you get your start, man. Yeah.

So you know you can be one of the first people to debase themselves for the Trump administration. Yeah. Oh, great. But we don't know who is in this one this time? We don't. That Biden one. But it makes sense that it was somebody who was like up on the agenda to like keep him away from the press. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's going to answer anything right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Easter bunny goes up to the press and goes, when the Yisturbanie pops in, Biden's going, Pakistan should not. And Afghanistan should be. Whoa. And then he like, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Is there audio here?

What is he saying something? The Easter buddy Even Oh, the Easter bunny. But the Easter buddy doesn't talk. Sir, I'm going to fucking beat the shit out of you if you answer another question. Okay. Let's go.

Yeah. I can talk to him like that when I'm dressed like this. He thinks it's the actual Easter money. So it's great. Yeah, he's got a squirt bottle. And he's just like, no, no, no. Get the president out of here. I want to make sure I get to eat all my eggs later.

I better listen. I love a Cadbury. No show. I have to be actually credit Spicer as playing the Easter Bunny and National Treasure Book of Secrets because there is a scene set at the White House Easter Egg roll. And I guess it would have been during that part of the administration. It could be somebody just submitting his name to fuck with him. Right.

He seems like he would have done it himself, honestly. I could see him being like, I'm going to need that credit so I can go on the dancing with the stars someday. That's right. Work towards my sag hours. Yeah, right. You can't keep getting tapped heart lead on these jobs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the second week in a row.

We have Brandy a thing where we ask, if this icon were alive during, like, and a real person, would this icon be in the Epstein files? And usually it's been hypothetical. We did think that, you know, outside chance of Einstein. Stein the way that like some of these academics got swept up in it.

Yeah. Stephen Hawking's on there, you know. Stephen Hawking is on there. Erkel would not have been only because he has his own jetpack. Yeah. And he can just, he can, he can make whatever he needs to happen, happen. That's right. Erkel didn't need any.

Yeah. Especially as Stefan Rakel. Yeah. Last week, we did learn that Bart Simpson is in the Epstein files. Bart Simpson is in the Epstein files. Wow. So is the Easter bun. No.

What? Oh, no. Was it like some fucked up nickname one of these freaks? Just like an email where I think Epstein said, no bunny? They said, aha, awesome. I will let Jeffrey know. I will see about redirecting the Easter bunny to J.E.'s house for you, as I'm sure that was your concern.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, no one of what that means. Good. No clue what it means, but. That's the bunny that we need to get to talk. That's when we, let's get on. It's on. Spicer.

Yeah, probably. Yeah. But I mean, I guess as an entity, right, if the, you know, the Easter Bunny has agency, it kicks it amongst us, has its own kind of thing going on. I feel like the Easter Bunny is too fucking square. Yeah. And I mean? Yeah.

You know, there's, I mean, I get that. It may be a symbol of fertility, but obviously for an icon for a holiday sort of aimed at kids, it's like, you're like, yo, fucking bunny horn of you shit, bro. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm going to, I feel confident that if the Easter Bunny were a real person, it would be boring as fuck. I wouldn't even want to kick it with the fucking Easter Bunny. Yeah.

Yeah. I want to be talking about Christ's love and shit all the time. The Easter Bunny would be very like, one of those. Unless it's Brandy as the Easter Bunny. It's only Easter Bunny. That's what I think we need Brandy as the Easter Bunny in a major Hollywood motion picture. I would just, I'm down for this. I could do this.

Like I do, I have the experience as a mall bunnies. to bring to the screen. It feels like a great like an 824 comedy about like just the disparity amongst costume performers but also like the vibe of an Easter

but I don't know. This is it. This is it. So you know how we got Bad Santa. Yeah. Now we got Bad Bunny. We got that bunny. Hey, hey. And you're definitely talking shit through the fucking mouthpiece. Oh yeah.

Yeah, 100%. That's a movie. We're making it. Yeah. There's smoke coming out of the rabbit's head. It's fucking vapor, you pussy. Got a Bluetooth speaker inside just blasting. My headphones at home.

Who cares? Yeah, it's just all reg it done coming out of it. All the white parents are like, oh, my God. Bunny. Yeah, I don't know exactly. My only pitch is we need to make. him her again and embrace the May queen midsomer of it all because we we just haven't we haven't done it's a colorful fun rebirth fertility festival and then they keep making

square guys the like they keep turning it into just like a nerdy guy or like fucking Russell brand I think it's that because if it were then everyone be like yo dude let me see that thick-ass version of the Easter Bunny let me see that thick ass Mrs. Claus. Let me see that thick-out. There's a way to like make it mystic, like not overtly horny. Like, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, just like something that let me get that thick. I mean, that big Lola bunnies are thick. That is something. On those hind legs, all the power they generate on the same legs, all those boots are powerful. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or maybe it should just be so powerful that you wouldn't deign to be like, I'm going to sexualize this powerful figure. Yeah. Like an Amazon kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With legs like the fucking Hulk. Mm-hmm.

And you're like, no, bro. She'll kick this shit at you. You'll die. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't get it fucked up, bro. The Easter money doesn't fucking play. She's the fucking bad. Like, I've always thought it's kind of underrated when Superman was first invented.

He couldn't fly. He could just jump really high. And we don't have a character that is that anymore, right? That is like can jump crazy high. That would be a great. Oh, right, right. Power for the air flight. Yeah, it's near flight.

flight, but like it's just jumping. How, what are we saying? How far, like, far? Like, she could go two miles in a single bound, 15 miles per bound. I like that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two miles is good. Because I don't want you to clear a whole city, but I think that, like, you know,

get out of the traffic. That's great. Yeah, and if you got to be like, nope. Yeah, bro. She's gone, bro. I volunteer to be that. I would love to be able to know out of so many conversations I'm in. And it would clear two miles instantly from something.

And then smush people when you land on them like fucking Mario, you know? Yeah. Just like boop. Yeah. Exactly. Anyways, we're trying to help the Easter bunny. We're just trying

to help. But as far as like the people who are in charge of Easter iconography right now, we feel like you can do better. I feel like the candy could be like we need like some concoction. Like that like brings

maybe like a peep's s'mores or something like that that's like you know that's sandwiching a peeps with like a chocolate bunny or a peeps turduckin something like that like let's have a little fun with the candy let's bring them together let's bring them together guys yeah yeah yeah i'm i'm into it i mean yeah i think we i've landed on easter bunny is an icon despite itself yes I think that's right. I think despite being mishandled, the Easter Bunny is iconic. I think the Easter Bunny is probably above Lepricon. Yeah.

Really? But I think so. In terms of iconography, in terms of like, I don't know. People probably have more warm feelings or have more of a memory. I think probably like just in terms of cute, like we talked on the Dolly Parton episode about how Dolly Parton has like the top, a top 10 Q rating. You know what? Even as I say it, I think.

think I'm wrong. I think the Easter Bunny doesn't have a cue rating on par with leprechauns. Does leprechaun means something? Like, what is like the, because, you know, this is reversed. It stands for luck. Okay. It stands for, that's it, like drunkenness and magic and wishes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I think once the like wave of Asian immigration happened in the 50s and 60s, then that moved that pre- those pre-eat immigrant classes up around in America. And now you get to have a character that we all celebrate. Yeah. Yeah. Before we were sorry about all the racism when you guys first came over here in the late 19th century.

Our bad. Our bad. You guys make great cops. Yeah. Some of the best. Well, Randy, such a pleasure having you as always on the podcast. Thank you. For lending us your expertise on the Yustra Bunny.

Absolutely. Excited to come on and talk about it. Where can people find you, follow you all that good stuff? Yeah. I'm on Instagram and threads at Brand Dazzle. I have a new album

that it just came out. It's called Milk Job. And you can see my picture of me as the Easter Bunny as the cover. And it's me holding my dog and I have a lot of tracks about my dog on that album too.

And that I put out on my record label, which is called Burn This Records. And a lot of, can I just say this? Zygang, y'all came through so hard when I was on like the last episode.

I asked you guys to like subscribe to the Burn This Records YouTube page special of this album at the end of the month. And like hundreds of you signed up. I'm like so close to like actually being able to like monetize and this comes out. And that like genuinely means means so much. Like genuine, that means so much to me. So if you haven't done it yet and YouTube.com slash the ad symbol burn this records. I hate that you have to have the ad symbol in there, but whatever.

But like that, please go follow with that. Because like once I hit 1K, then I'm able to actually monetize when I launch it. And like, y'all have come through for free. me so much already. And like, genuinely, like, that, like, has been the highlight of the last several weeks to me. So, like, it really- We're at 3.79 right now. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. We're almost there. Exactly. It melts so much to see that. I know so many you listeners are on YouTube. Yeah.

Because half the time I'm discovering we're watching the same shit on YouTube. Just go. Hit the subscribe. Please. That's it. It's passive. And you're helping independent creators. Yeah.

Fucking do shit outside of the norm. So yeah, come on now. Easy, easy, easy. Yeah, yeah, I would really, I really appreciate it. You've touched me already doing that, and I'm glad I can actually come back on this quickly and, like, say, like, thank you. And if more of you want to, my thanks extends to you too.

It generally would mean a lot. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, lady to lady, too. You know. Yeah, lady to lady, of course. Always. Miles, anything from you?

Anywhere you want them to find you? Fuck that rabbit, bro, making all that sound. I fucking hate that. That shit. It's so, you know, that's not supposed to come out of there? Yeah, sorry. In multiple ways.

Like most things, this is all circling back to my dad. Uh, and decisions he made in life affecting the show. So, uh, thanks, Todd.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Many ways this goes back to my dad. Um, all right. Uh, I'm going to be right back.

That's why you yelled at the server because there's no ice in the water. I guess. I, I don't know. I'm dealing with a lot. Uh, I'm going to be back right after this with my No,

No, where I tell you some of the stuff that I forgot to talk about in this part of the show. So stick around for that. And I'll talk to y'all then. Thanks, Brandy. Thanks, Miles. Thank you.

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and Brandy Posey, our first episode where the guest has actually inhabited the icon. What a treat. This is the No, No, No, No, No. No. Book dump. Let's see. So, like we mentioned, it doesn't seem like there's quite the same, like, people feeling called to dress up as Santa or Elvis or other icons. there is one guy who had sort of a super heroic relationship with dressing up as the Easter Bunny.

You might have seen this viral story back in 2019 where a man and a woman in Orlando got into a fist fight on Easter. Okay, Florida. And suddenly there's just a blur of white and an Easter Bunny rushes in and starts beating the shit out of the guy until the police come and break it up.

And so that guy who was in that cop, later crashed his motorcycle into a carport, like at a different date, like not later that day. He then fled the scene, threw on his bunny costume again, which he apparently like kept at the ready, like Spider-Man. And then they found him hiding in the back of a car, at which point he told them, I wasn't in any crash. I'm the Orlando Easter Bunny. Google it. I don't know what protective powers he thought the Easter Bunny suit had for him. But shout out to that guy. Let's get more Easter Bunny as a calling dresser uppers and hopefully doing the first part of that job. Not the motorcycle crash, the stopping people from beating up women. It's the feminist side of the

holiday, you know, as we talked about in the show. As for movies, there are a couple of other other Easter movies besides Hop. So I don't want to make it seem like it's all hop. Some people say Mall Rats is an Easter movie because they beat the shit out of the Easter Bunny. They pull a reverse Orlando Easter Bunny. There's also a few Easter Bunny themed horror movies like the Beaster Bunny, which based on the Wikipedia summary, it sounds like a Jaws Rip Off, but with a killer Easter Bunny

instead of a shark. And they have the most important part of the movie Joes, which is the mayor of a small town who refuses to act, even as the people are being eaten alive, obviously, by a giant Easter bunny or Beaster Bunny. I'd say one downside of the Easter Bunny is it's maybe too good an advertisement for rabbits, which leads to people getting them as pets, not realizing how much of a commitment. It's going to be, according to the House Rabbit Society, the largest rabbit rescue organization in the U.S. Many people think they're short-lived, low-maintenance, cage-bound animals. Rabbits are seen as starter pets akin to goldfish. And this is a vast misconception, drives a glut of baby bunny sails ahead of Easter and a subsequent rise in rabbit abandonment.

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grass bullshit that people fill Easter baskets with. Both of those inventions patented by the same guy, Donald Weeder, he holds over 1,400 patents. way more than that thieving asshole Thomas Edison. But yeah, before he came along, Easter eggs were not, they would not stay together. You had to match them up. And he made the Easter egg hunt cleanup process much easier. And your children's Easter baskets did not burst into flame, I guess.

All right, that's about it on Easter Bunny. Hope you learned something. Hope you're on board with my new crusade to play. put the feminine, divine back into Easter, make the Easter bunny a lady again, uh, make, make Easter feel more like,

uh, the, the holiday from mid-Somar. We dye eggs colorful flower colors because it's a flower festival, guys. We all go to brunch. Easter is gay. Easter is feminine.

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