The Daily Zeitgeist - Icon #39 - Selena: The Queen Of Tejano

Episode Date: September 28, 2026

In this edition of ‘The Iconograph’, Jack and Miles are joined by writer/actor/improviser Dani Fernandez to talk about another icon that has, functionally, acheived sainthood in popular culture: Selena! They’ll explore her early career, meteoric rise to fame, lasting impact and much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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She would have headlined the Super Bowl. She would have kicked off the Latin music era like decades earlier. Today's episode is about Selena, but it's also about the absence of Selena, the phosphorescence, Selena-shaped hole, those left in popular culture when she died. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host. When I first started wearing Bustiers on the show,

he said, it's a bra with little sprinkly things on it. Busticaca de la menta. Busticaca de la Menta! It's Miles Graham! Thank you so much. I was just watching the Selena movie a little bit again, just reminding myself. And God, I just remembered how much I was

fucking in love with Selena. Like, not the J-Lo version. Like, actual Selena. Actual Selena. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I've, it's been one of those things or that just growing up in L.A. Selena is just ambially part of like culture here in Los Angeles.

But like you, if you're, I, like, I'm always like, yeah, Selina, I'm up on the songs and things like that. But I dove back in, right, in preparation for this. And I just, like, everything just started hitting me of like how much this dominated my mind from like that 19, like third to fifth grade era for me. Oh, yeah. Not me, by the way. I'm saying, oh, yeah. And I definitely was not hitting in Dayton, Ohio, the same way. It was in Los Angeles. But we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a talented writer, host, actress, improviser, you know her from Dropouts to mention 20, DC Comics, HBO, Disney, all the places. Her charisma is such that when J. Lo played her in a movie, she decided to change the entire trajectory of her career is Danny Fernandez. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

Miles, I grew up here and I grew up in Texas. My family is from both. I'm like equally both. So it was, she is our, our baby. I just always referred to her as our baby. Probably because she,

yeah, she didn't. Yeah, queen, but she, you know, she didn't fully get to grow up. But I just feel like she's always,

literally I put on the documentary. I waited to watch the documentary that they have on Netflix. Yeah. I was going to cry. One minute, it literally like 46 seconds. And I started weeping. Yeah, yeah.

And then I cried repeatedly throughout the documentary. And that's okay, you know. It's crazy. She has such a visceral reaction still. Yeah. I felt the exact same way. Like I also watched the Selena Elos Dinos. And I, like, there were so many times, I was like,

Selena. Like, also the effect on her family and how much like, I really began to appreciate, like, how much, like, this. was all like there was this family effort to like support and you know all do this thing together like how important that was to her and yeah it just adds like another dude it's just like sort of feels like a bygone sort of sentiment that we see with like pop stars in any way where it's like yeah yeah they were trying to create the you know latin jackson five i think they say in the documentary and with with all the problematic uh parts of that like the dad was not joe jackson but like there are parts where

There are interviews where she's like, yeah, my dad heard me singing and I saw dollar signs in his eyes. She's like laughing, but then, you know, I mean, she was supporting the family from like age 11, I think. Yeah. Anyway, that J-Lo fact blew my mind, that J-Lo didn't have plans to be a recording artist until she played Selena and like did. So they got, they put together these massive crowds for the Selena biopic. And J-Lo in like just inhabiting Selena was like, I need to do that. Like that's, that's my shit. And like kind of stepped into that because I was like, I hadn't really realized, but

this pop cultural thing by that by the white media was called the Latin invasion in the late 90s. Oh my God. They're still saying that. They're still saying that. Donald Trump is saying that. The musical caravan. But that was like her album on the six was like one of the big parts of that. I think that it went to number one. She literally without Selena, we would not have J-Lo. I don't just say that because, you know, J-Lo gets a lot of hate for a lot of different reasons.

That her acting in if that movie came out today would win an Academy Award. Yes. I really think if that, if Selena came out, today. It still holds up. She's great. It's insane that it's like her first film and one of her best ever. That's crazy to me. I think that her performance

and that and her performance and out of sight are like two of her best performance and they're very early on. She's just like naturally so fucking good. But yeah. She did she did Selena Anaconda out of sight. I think was 97.

I mean, God damn. What a run. Yeah. I do think them because the Selena movie came out in what, 95? 97. I do know it was a, was it 97? Yeah. Okay. I did think it was a little, I know that they were rushing to do the film.

So someone else didn't do it. So they had, you know, say her family had say. But it was like crazy how quickly they did the film. Like there's so much trauma there to then be like, I got a rush. I know. My, like this icon and also my, my daughter and the love of my life, just died and now I have to rush and make sure I do this movie before anyone else does because they're going to do it with. They were going to make the film with or without them.

And so that's why they were like, we need to rush and make sure that we're a part of it. And that the story is how we, you know, what we want to say. But it was very soon after her death. Yeah. They, I mean, like the film came out within two years of her passing away. That's, that's wild. And yeah, they discover it like that I think they cast, they, they cast a super wide net to see who would play her. Selma Hayek was considered, and they discovered Jailo. You know, she was a fly girl at the time.

She was in that movie Jack, though, with Robin Williams. I'm going to keep the speech short, like my life. That is a laugh line from the movie, Jack. I don't know. Jack, speaking of the wide net that they cast, I don't know if you've ever seen that the girl that was the runner up. No, did she look exactly? like her. Literally, literally exactly like her. Those are the two directions you can go. You can

either like get someone who looks exactly like the person or you like, like, I can get someone who kind of looks like the person and is a good actor. And I think they went with the latter and very wisely so. But I do think, like reading this article in 1999 about the Latin invasion, they're like, Ricky Martin, Santana, Jennifer Lopez. And Rike Iglesias in the Buena Vista Social Club. It's in a Iowa State student newspaper. I also have a paragraph that says, the hip motion is very particular of any Latin dance Castillo.

They're like describing how people dance to Latin music. It has an element of sensuality to it and communication. When people that really know each other dance, you can see there is a lot of give and take between the dancers and a lot of nonverbal communication. It's like they're describing dancing for the first time. Yeah. Well, I love like the scientific white gay soft dancing.

Like, it's communicating something with its sensualities. But that was going to be, Salina was going to free the footloose town of America from its, you know, lock-legged, sexually repressed inability to dance. There are these parts of her story where, like, it's, you know, she's rising and like you're starting to see the power of her draw and like people's obsession with her. Like it's like the moment where you like see the T-Rex making the water ripple before you see the T-Rex. You're just like seeing the evidence of like how much people are obsessed with her.

There's this one part where Coke puts out a series of like Selena branded eight ounce Coke bottles. And like it's like they put the case down on the floor. turn around and they're back and like they've all been bought. Like it's like immediately. Everything just sells out immediately. And there's like multiple examples of that. And instead of being like, guys, these Selena Coke bottles are selling faster than any product since cocaine.

She might be like a generational pop diva. They're like, I guess we should do another hundred Coke bottles. Like really, you know, they're just like not aware of what they have quite yet. although they're like starting to get it by the end. But yeah, it's wild. Like she really was going to be fucking massive. Well, and it's insane that she was that

popular with, especially here in America, that her albums up to that point had only been in Spanish. Spanish, yeah. Yeah. I didn't know she was an English, like, native English speaker. Like, I didn't know, yeah. She has some parts where she's like, as she's recording

her English language, like, crossover album, she's like, they're going to wonder how I learned English so fast. She's the original no Savo. She's the original no Savo kid. And I love that. I mean, like in the film, obviously, there's a famous, very memed line about like how she,

they're not Mexican enough for the Mexicans, not American enough for Americans. And being Chicana, like, that's just our, she is our patron saint of Chicana. That's like our life is living. But she used that as her superpower. Yeah. That's like the thing is that like she, everyone kept saying she wasn't enough.

And then she was like, oh, actually, I can be the bridge between these two cultures. And everyone in America is going to love me. Everyone in Latin America is going to love me. And then she just, you know, catapulted herself. But I think any other star, I mean, when you see her, she has such a big light, any other star would maybe have crumbled from that level at her age from that level of critique. And she kind of just, she was giggling every time that she didn't know her Spanish words. like she just leaned into it and it made people love her instead of- She would enter a press conference.

It was like crowded with like photographers and like journalists and like hug every single person. She was just everyone was like, man, she, she knew my name. I met her like three years ago and she like knew my name and like walked up to me directly and like asked me how I was and like remembered everything that I had told her. She just had that like crazy charisma that, yeah, I put her in the category. of like, you know, people whose star was too powerful for mortal people to deal with, you know? Like, I think that is one of the weirdest effects that comes from the, you know, what we cover

in this show, which is just like the iconography and like people being, like, it's like a religious light that like melts the barrier between like human and immortal and causes mortal people to just like snap sometimes. Like, you know, I'd JFK and like a lot of, a lot of the Pete, John Lennon, I think is probably the most famous example other than her. But like, I'd also put. Jesus. Jesus couldn't deal with.

Jesus and Selena. Same. Jesus. They're both on our altar. Right. But didn't look as good in a Bustier. Not quite as good. By the way, we do have to shout out.

You are wearing. wearing Selena. You are wearing Selena. I don't know. I just don't know. I didn't realize you had to boostie. Oh, 100%. Okay. Listen, before the pandemic, like the year before the pandemic, that Halloween, because you know how people have Halloween parties like on a Saturday and a Sunday and like you're going to like three different, four different. I was a different Selena look every day. Wow.

And I got to repost it on my Instagram, but I was like her Houston Astrodome look. I was her Coma LaFlor look. I was this look. Like is Ashton on the purple one? Yes. Oh shit. Yeah. I don't remember all of them. Oh yeah.

That's so. Miles. You were a fan. I was like I'm going to be Selena every day. I was just thinking though Selena man like I, that was like one of the first like women I fell in love with because of their smile. Oh, you know what I mean?

Like somehow like a person's smile can communicate just so much. Like there's something something so genuine about it that I remember being awestruck. as a kid from seeing her like big smile. And like there's just like there's some of these interesting like intangible qualities about her that like, like, you know, add up to create somebody who's essentially, you know, a fucking God among mortals. And yeah, it's funny. As I was watching that documentary and like you first like there's like the first time you see her like her like her face kind of light up. That was one of those moments. I just kind of flashed back and I was like, oh my God, that's the smile.

This is like, this is one of the first times I could like just be like, man, a smile is. can be like so beautiful to me. That was your like ratatooey food critic moment. You're just like going back to your childhood. Like I remember the stirred something inside me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was trying to think if there were other, you know, we were talking about people that we lost early,

but like if there were other celebrities who were unproblematic and be loved by everyone the way that she was. And I guess the one that came into my head was Dolly Parton, which I know y'all did another episode of, like it's very hard to, I mean, granted, she only lived to be in her 20s, but like she was beloved. Yeah, right. There was no, no one has anything bad to say about her.

And so I was thinking if there were other celebrities that were like that, that were as beloved. I'm sure they're hard to think of on the spot. But everyone I think of, I go, well, no, but there's. Right, right, right. Oh, no, they tweeted that one thing. Oh, no, actually, they dated that abuser. Never mind. Right, right.

Whatever. It's like Biggie, maybe, like, has a little bit of that where he's just, like, beloved and, like, all the details you find out like even like what he had on him when he was killed was uh like cool and made him just seem great i don't know um yeah but it's it's interesting because like his mused like it's hard to get to draw that kind of audience like with just straight up like golden era new york hip hop that he was you know what i mean because like selina also because i think every group in america they'll have their star that like goes oh shit that's us right there You know what I mean?

And black people had that with Michael Jackson or rap. Like it just, and Whitney Houston in many examples. But then like with Selena, that was one for especially everyone who's living in America to suddenly go. That's why I really felt it in L.A. because also being biracial and other kids who are like Chicano and stuff, like you kind of get like you're like,

you know, they're getting teased for the way they spoke Spanish or whatever. You get teased for the way I'm, you know, I'm not black enough or my Japanese isn't good enough. So I shot a lot of overlapping themes. but when that moment happened, it just energized every kid who was like Latino to be like going like, dude, look, it's us. This is the fuck.

And she is the most fucking spectacular artist and nobody can deny it. It's a, yeah, huge thing. I will just say she, so she, we lost Selena in 95, Tupac 96, Biggie in 97. That's three straight years of just losing generational talents who were about to like define the next decade of popular culture. So like, when people are like, what the fuck? Like, what was Woodstock 99? Or like, why did pop culture suck shit in the early 2000s? You can't ignore the fact that we lost like three of our strongest soldiers of all time in their prime who were about to just fucking dominate.

Like, they were going to be. And also change, like, you know, like, I don't know how much of the bling bling bling era we get if Tupac's alive. No, I don't think. Yeah, exactly. I think a lot of the stuff that sucks would not have, you know. Right. His messaging was getting more radical. Like, there are just more thinking of like, is rap bigger than me just like making songs? But yeah, and I see that too with like Selena knowing like, I can't, it's even hard for me to think of where that that thing stopped. Like that whole empire. I completely agree with what you said early on, Jack, that when I was watching Bad Bunny, I was like, oh my God, the way that we would, we would have had a Selena Super Bowl. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. decades ago. Oh my god. She would have crushed it. Looking even like I'll just randomly, I'll be on my Peloton and I'll just put on her Houston Astrodome,

uh, concert. And that like just gets me going through the whole thing. But like the way and she did that at what, 22, 23. So thinking like a decade or so after that, her being asked to be at the Super Bowl, uh,

she would have crushed it. She would have crushed it. Yeah. That shit was so Texas. I didn't realize how Texas it was, the Astrodome concert. Like, I knew that it was this iconic show, and then you watch the biopic or the documentaries, and, like, she's riding, like, behind...

Her carriage. Yeah, she's riding a carriage of horses out to... Like, the concert is being performed, like, in the middle of a rodeo, like, dirt, you know, the stage. I don't know what the fuck you call a rodeo. The bottom part of a rodeo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The dirt pit.

I was trying to think of, and then we can get into more like bio stuff from our researcher, but I was trying to think of like a bigger celebrity, what would have been. And the only example that came to mind is Bruce Lee. Like, it's right at the precipice, like right as shit was taking off. And like, you know, the very beginning of the breakthrough. And then they're lost. and like with both of them you have like Bruce Lee I didn't realize was the same age as Chuck Norris and so like Chuck Norris just pops in and like has the exact career that Bruce Lee would have except like way shittier you know and like I feel like that's so true of just you know a lot of pop artists that came after Selena you know I mean so much like a lot of that 27 club group too there's like a few people like you wonder about like I certainly think about like Ami Wein house a lot.

I was about to say Amy Winehouse. Or, you know, like Hendricks or whatever. But like there's definitely, yeah, there's a few that. What's interesting, though, is like you, they were taken away by their own sort of vices. Exactly. That might be going to go on. Like, Selena and Bruce Lee were both like these like very focused, you know, people. And it was like external factors that ended up being the thing that they took them out.

But you know what? Actually, someone we've forgotten is Alia. Alia is also a great example. We also lost like right 2001. 2001 right before 9-11. Yeah. Her, I mean, banger, banger after banger, like that, to know the music that she would also be performing at the Super Bowl. We would have had an Alia Super Bowl 100%.

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don't lying to us. True. I'm curious the people she would have brought out at her Super Bowl for sure. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So she is born to Abraham Quintanilla Jr. born and raised in South Texas.

They thought they were having a boy and planned to name him Mark Anthony, which is some weird J-Lo Kismet. And they got the name Selena from the woman in the next bed over who like had the same exact reverse thing. I guess like back then they would just be like, yeah, it looks, I don't know, looks like a boy or something. They were just like guess and that's what they would tell you during the... When they had twins sometimes, they'd be like, here comes the next one. And they're like, do what?

But yeah, she thought she was going to have a boy. And so I thought she was going to have a girl and had the name Celine unlock. So they stole that because she told them that it meant moon goddess. Do you think they traded? Like she was like, shit, I had a name for a girl. And they're like, shit, they had a name for a boy. I don't know. I don't know if there's a Mark Anthony walking around out there.

Maybe it was the. To be Mark Anthony. It was him. There's stories from a childhood friend named Meredith Lynn Cappell remembered. We used to love to ask her to sing songs. It gave you chill bumps how powerful her voice was. And this was in third and fourth grade. She'd do it during recess.

And when we walked home from school, any top 40 song she could sing. She didn't just sing it. She really got into it. This is something we saw with Bjork in our Bjork iconograph where she would her classmates would be like, Bjork, could you hum for us on the school bus?

And like, instead of being like a loud like, yeah, instead of being like allowed, you know, everybody throwing spitballs and shit, everyone would just go silent as Bjork hummed for them. It's just so funny. Like at third and fourth grade, people just

using you as a human jukebox is wild. I feel like that's a good indication that you might have it. People are generally kind of bad at judging whether they're good singers or not judging from American Idol, this would be a good symptom that you might be

a good singer. You're 10 years old and giving your classmates goosebumps from your scene. It's like kids like having an experience like you probably don't have to you're older like being touched by art or something like that. Hey dude shut the fuck up. Selina's singing Wilson Phillips.

It's wild because she was like naturally good at singing too. So it's almost like a parrot listening because like how do you without sing I mean she eventually did like her dad obviously was pushing them to like have lessons and stuff but just off off the rip yes off the rip they said she was a perfect mimic like she could do anything she could do like edith pee off or you know like all think make herself sound like an old recording she had an uncanny talent that like people didn't really realize so uh they started out they wanted to sing american songs they they liked like the eagles and she was really into Donna Summer air supply, taste of honey.

And her dad was like... I will survive, right? I feel like I've seen her sing I will survive. Yeah, she actually opened the Astrodome, yeah, with like covers of a couple Donna Summer songs. But yeah. And then he was like, no, we are going to be, we're going to play Tejano music. And at the time, she was like, get fucked.

But she, in retrospect, was like that. That was smart. I was smart, but I totally, yeah, this threw me off as a kid. I, you know, you listened to her interviewed and she has a Texas twang. Yeah, she does. Yeah. There's one interview where she says DIC Cuatro instead of Cotorce for 14, which is like saying two teen instead of 12, you know?

Hell yeah. Yeah. But I just feel like if that were today, because, you know, it reminds me of the mehente Latino, you know, like the J-Lo meme. Like I, that's what I mean is like her Spanish was at time. She obviously like when you watch the documentary, got way better. So fast.

Yeah. So fast. Yeah. I want to see her singing was immaculate. Her Spanish singing was immaculate. Like so, um, but that's what I mean. Like I just feel people still loved her. Like they thought it was endearing as opposed to like,

I'm going to make a meme and like, uh, punch down at you, you know. Right. Yeah. No one has ever made me realize how much better the war. Chorason is then heart than her singing. She fucking feasts on the word

corazon. This is, I will just say so Tejana music has like a polka base, you know, and this is the second time we have a polka infused artist breaking through with also weird owl. I'm like, is mainstream secretly yearning for polka?

And they was like, no, it's too corny, too corny. We can't do it. But everybody secretly fucking loves it. Yeah, it's just, it's got a universal appeal to it. You know what I mean? Like that rhythm just, it's, yeah, I'm, I'm not surprised by it. But, like, I understand, like, as a preteen or teenager that, like, none of your classmates are listening to this.

Oh, yeah. I understand why she was like, why are we doing this music? I, meanwhile, she's, like, buying Michael Jackson tapes, you know? Yeah. So. Yeah. And in retrospect, everyone's like, well, and look, like, she eventually broke through. But she was also, like, generate.

operationally talented. Like, if he had been just been like, I don't know, maybe sing some pop songs out there. Like, maybe they would, she would have been discovered sooner. Hard to say. I do also, there's a scene in the biopic, the scene where they're at a concert and the crowd is like surging forward and like the stage is buckling and he comes out. Her dad comes out and is like, get back there and starts like yelling at them. And then comes back and is like, can you go out there and.

quiet them, like, to Selena. That scene, like, in Chris, in her husband's memoir, his version of it is that her dad was, like, stay back there, don't come out. And she, like, shook him off and, like, bravely went out and, like, calmed to the crowd because she just, like, knew that otherwise it was going to be a disaster. So, like, there are weird ways that I feel like the version that we got in the biopic is the dad's version of things more than anything. Like, why would you, in a movie called Selena about this, like, living saint, why would

you change the story to be that you had to convince her to go out and, like, calm the crowd instead of the truth, which is that she was like, you know, what, the only thing they're going to, yeah, your daughter's magical. Why not just, like, let that be the story? I mean, I got that feeling just with the band being a continuation of his own band. And it's one thing he's like weirdly not kind of, he is completely open. He's like, and then I saw the ability for my children to carry forward my own musical aspirations. He's like, yeah, that's weird.

And he's like, yeah, well, worked. Yeah, it worked. We're here now, aren't we? Jack, I think every version that you've seen of her has been her dad's. Yeah, I think that's right. Because the series was also, I think, for doing. Yeah, they did a Netflix series that was basically like the monkey. Like it was like a, you know.

It's, it's, it's, it's, yeah, it's very much her, you know, there is a level of machismo and she clearly pushed against it too, I want to say. But, um, she butt heads with her dad. But yes, it's there, it seemed like just what he wanted, which our community has talked about quite a bit. Yeah. Yeah. So. I think that's, yeah, that, that is the sense that you get. Um, so he, to that.

to that point, at age six, he's like, you have a gift, we're sharing it with the world. They start performing at clubs, weddings, birthdays, any party they can get in front of. Selena, again, six years old is so worn out that she slept behind the speakers between sets, which is wild. And she was naturally very shy. Like, that's one thing that she didn't have naturally was, like, you know, know, we cover some icons, like we covered Oprah last week. And Oprah, like, as a child was like her, her family would just go drive her to churches

to speak in front of people. Like, she just, she needed an audience in some way, whereas Selena was like, yeah, I don't, I don't like it. I don't want to be out here. Beyonce, apparently the same way. Like, it was unnatural to them. And they had to, you know, Selena would say, like, I, what you see. This is a direct quote. What I do on stage, you won't catch me doing off stage.

Deep down, I'm still kind of timid and modest. On stage, I let go. It's like just the music allows her to let go. Yeah, her husband also said that, that like, obviously she comes across as this huge powerhouse. And yet she's like very vulnerable. And that's the side, obviously, that he got to know. But I think it's just like, yeah, she, you know, when we think of her, and again, she's been elevated to like sainthood. So it's almost like she's seen as supernatural is what I mean. And what you're saying is like, no, she also had, you know, her vulnerabilities, her shyness. Which is kind of even like all the more amate. Like I went and. I think it's interesting to like figure out why these people are, um, why certain people

become these like, you know, not just famous, but like fucking iconic and like kind of blur the line. Like people are unable to differentiate between them and. gods kind of in a real sense. And like one of the things she did have is she only needed like three to four hours of sleep a night, which is something we see a lot of the time with icons is like they just, uh, a lot of them have that benefit of like needing less sleep. But I think it's relatively rare for people on that level to not naturally like being in

front of crowds. So like that, that's almost more impressive, you know? Like I went and, you know, did some half-ass internet research of like, say, famous iconic people who were like, had stage fright. And, you know, it's uncommon enough that the list includes Eleanor Roosevelt and Moses.

Moses? Yeah, Moses. Moses actually didn't like being on stage. Well, I think, isn't that the worst kind of person is the person that wants to be famous? I feel like that's probably what makes her endearing. Like, she was very humbling.

Like, she didn't have a chip on her shoulder. She wasn't egotistical. And so that's probably why everyone has a good. story about her as opposed to like other artists that are seen as like divas but in a bad way. Yeah. And like I don't necessarily think it's a bad, like always a bad thing. Like some people are just more comfortable in front of a crowd than like others. I meant the, I meant the, the, the artists that are seen as out of touch or.

Yeah. Yeah. Totally. They move around Texas a bunch of times because her dad like has a steady job at Dow Chemical. And like once the band starts, he's like, I'm quitting. that. We're opening a restaurant where the kids will sing to people and like it just fucking eats shit immediately. The oil market, like it was when oil took a shit and yeah. So that closed down. They ended up in Corpus Christi, body of Christ a wild name for your town. But you eat it?

But they pointed out that like this was after kind of a bumpy, start to their career. Corpus Christi was the perfect place because it had a much larger kind of Latino audience to pull from. This is a detail that's just like that they were like the junkyard gang coming up. They traveled around in a 1964 bus with no AC or heat. So when it was cold, the kids slept near the motor to stay warm. They saved money by making lights out of regular bulbs, plastic film and peach or coffee cans. Wow. That's fucking that's ingenuity. This is something that came up in the Madonna episode,

but, you know, this is had, they're coming up in the 80s, and everyone is like, sorry, men are singers, not women. Like, in the Madonna episode, I was blown away that she was the first woman to headline an arena tour. It's just like in the 80s.

Like, I just never thought of, music, especially because you know, pop music is so dominated by women singers now. Like, I never thought of like music as being like as sexist as doctors, you know, where people are just like, a girl can't sing a pretty song. That's a man's job.

Right. Right. Yeah. Toxic masculinity. Feminine. I know, but they were Tejano music especially, but like, well, not just Tejano music. Like everyone, like in, that people were just, like, this is a boy thing. Our boys sing.

I feel like, yeah, that was like always like the crooner era and stuff like, hey, I'm a fucking drunk with a microphone. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I love music. It's like, wait, what about this young lady with a beautiful voice? I don't know about this. It should be a drunk ass. Makes me intimidated. Yeah, telling me how he won't let me go home in the snow after a Christmas party.

I want to feel vile. I want to feel unsafe. Yeah. Jesus, not inspired. So, but this is how they come up. You know, they're touring, like, very small venues and then, like, just slowly, slowly build up. They're dropping albums like crazy. But, like, their first big album was released when Selena was 13.

That was not big. Like, it was an independent studio still, but it's, like, the one that, you know, it was called Selena, Uelostino. and later reissued as Mis Primares Grabaciones, which is like my first recordings. But that's like kind of the start of their recording career. But like they really put out albums quickly. And so you kind of get a similar optical illusion with Tupac where it's like,

oh, this person died when? How do they have so many songs? So many good songs. So many recordings. I mean, that's kind of like the benefit. I feel like from starting out so young. I mean,

not really not great for you as a person to be working so young. Like your mastery of an art form, the amount of reps they got in. It's like, you know, they always say like about the Beatles playing in like Germany and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. She got her reps. Do it like she had, she already had the reps in to fucking command the stage. The Beatles don't have shit on Selena, Yelos Dinos. No, no, no.

The one thing I want to add, though, is in that band, the earliest, uh, Elos Salib, the Dinos band, the, the rap producer, Mike Dean, do you know who Mike, you heard of Mike Dean? he does like all like did a lot of the Kanye West albums he's done Beyonce albums Travis Scott like Sicko Mode Frank Ocean really one of the keyboard players for Selena no when he was super young yes dude I was just I was going in on like the Dinos man and I saw like Mike Dean's name on list I go what the fuck because he was from Texas and he first got his keyboard from the same music shop where A.B got a PA system for Selena to use for a tour and the guy who owned the store was like,

yo, dude, you should go play for this guy, AB, like him and his sister, like, they do gigs and, like, he could probably fit in. And then Mike Dave is Selena's brother who, yeah, yeah, yeah, um, who produced all the music.

Yeah, and so him and the, and AB got along, but her dad apparently didn't like him because he was getting too trippy on the fucking keyboard. Yeah. And he was also like, what is this?

Bro. Yeah, he was like, Selena could be playing some pop shit. And he's like, no, we're only doing this other stuff. He's like,

I'm off this shit and just like left. And, but yeah, It's really interesting to see that, like, those two careers even intersected in the 80s. I was just thinking, I was just thinking about a Frank Ocean because the future of free is the last song on Blonde. And it's one that I didn't listen to him. The album first came out that much because it's like, I don't know, there's too many good songs to get through to get to that one. But now I think it is like my favorite song on the album.

And it ends with him saying, like, people are accusing him of, like, changing. They want to murder me, murder me like Selena. and it's like kind of, he also talks about Tupac in it, and I think it's interesting that he was like having those thoughts about fame, like, and, you know, how dangerous and powerful fame can be at that point

and has like kind of become our like J.D. Salinger, you know, like somebody who just stepped away from doing the thing everybody wanted from him because I'm sure at least partially he was uncomfortable with it. And I do think that's also like the JD the catcher in the Rye thing and like how that ties

into John Lennon and the assassin. Anyway, I have tons of thoughts on that and like how they're trying to like freeze these celebrities at this peak moment of like wanting how they want to remember them. But yeah.

I thought you might actually freeze them and I'm like, okay, we're on some Walt Disney shit. Yeah, yeah, cry. No, I was just like, kill them so that they don't continue to change or do things that, like, you know, don't fit with their... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And don't, like, evolve because this is, like, their god, you know?

And they don't, they can't deal with that ship. I just love that Frank Ocean has disappeared. And, like, the only time you see him, like, random TikToks and someone's like, I saw a guy, there's this dude walking around Tokyo. Yeah. And he goes, Frank Ocean? And, like, he just turned around and it just did, like, a very subtle nod. and I would just be like, he lives. He's out there.

The Frank Ocean subreddit is like, he's alive! Because he posted on Instagram like three days ago. Fucked up. Oh, man. Yeah. Anyways, let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about once the big deals start coming in.

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And it's, it's wild. First of all, they wrote the jingles for their own ads. Coke was just like, yeah, I don't know, take a crack. It's like very Detroiters coded. Yeah, you can try writing the jingles, but they're very catchy. It's a world that no longer exists. But yeah, Coke executives are kind of the first ones who are like, oh, she's the next Janet Jackson.

And this is like the first kind of big money that she starts to see. In 1992, Coke marketing is heading in a different direction. So they drop celebrities from ad campaigns, only retaining their most successful spokespeople, which are Elton John for Diet Coke and Selena. Those are the only ones they kept. Everybody else got fucked. And then for Sprite, this is a word about one of our sources.

There's this book by Joe Nick Potoski, who was like a local reporter who I think just like happened to have good access to a lot of the sources to tell this story. But he might not be the best reporter in the world because he also is like, and they also decided to keep Christopher Cross for Sprite. because he read that they kept Chris Cross. I'm like, got it wrong. Oh, my God, and Busterer Rhythms. Whoa.

Christopher Cross. God damn. But it is interesting. Like, on the one hand, you're like, it's weird that Coke was one of the first people to understand her amazing appeal. But, like, they, in America, in our world of, like, you know, at that stage, early hypercapital. Like, they are the ones who have access to tracking metrics that are like, God damn, these cases of Coke just keep disappearing the second we put them out.

Also, Mexican Coke is like infamous, notorious. Yeah, the best. So, like, we are a Coke drinking community. Yeah. So smart of them to capitalize on that, I will say. Yeah. And this is like the Coke executives and the advertising executives are the ones who are like, this kid has this guy, Lionel Sosa said, this kid. It has this innate ability to remember everybody's name, be totally gracious, know who everybody was.

I've spent all my life trying to figure out politics and who's who and who has the power. And she instinctively knew it. Maybe she didn't know it, but she was just wonderful to everybody, whether it was the assistant at a shoot or the president of Coca-Cola. So again, like, you know, we talked about, like, people who were cut down in their prime because of, like, self-sabotage and shit like that. Like, that was not going to happen with her. Like not a question of what might have been. It was a question of what was about to be. It's also funny when like,

there's someone who'd been like, man, like, she's had an unbelievable skill for this thing. And parenthetical, she was a decent human being who acknowledged other people in the room. She was just nice to everyone and didn't treat people like shit. Yeah. I was just, I can't figure it out.

Trying to fucking get in people's heads. And I just, I've been trying to figure this shit out my whole way. It is funny that she's like the Tom Cruise. I guess of remembering people's names because isn't that like a skill that he has. Yeah. Like shakes everyone's hand. He shakes everyone's hand.

And shaker. I contact her. Hey, how are you? Great to see. Thanks so much. His is a product of like a weird alien space cult. And hers is just like because she's a good person.

Yeah. Like my dad, he's taking a lot of celebrity pictures like over his career. And he, he's always said like Tom Cruise was like the one person that he, like it was odd. Like not in like a bad way, but he was like, Oh.

He has a mag. Like there was a magnetism about just merely like shaking his hand and him being so engaged with like a photo shoot that he was like, yeah, I don't know what's going on with this. Yeah. Trying to convert him. Yeah. Yeah. Like, nah, no. I walked past him one time and I, you think you would notice like I, because I just wanted to, I wanted to be like, oh shit.

Like how tall is he actually. No idea how tall he is. You don't notice that at all because he just like has this like magnetism about it about it. About him, they're like, oh, tall? Does he really have a height? Can you say he has a height? I don't know. He levitates when he needs.

So she, uh, one of her big purchases after she becomes successful, she gets a red Porsche Carrera, um, and bought a go cart and had a headboard that was an aquarium. Um, and then a, just a bunch of pets. But I, I will, the aquarium headboard and like tons of pets is a bit like Michael Jackson encoded, like, you know. Stunted child. Yeah, stunted child, which makes perfect sense. You know, she was part of like a...

She was sleeping behind the speakers between six years old. Her dad was like, we will be the Latin Jackson five. She was like paying her family's mortgage. Yes. You know, she was responsible for their Christmas presents. So, yeah, that's wild. I'm so blown away that, like, substance abuse isn't like a part of this story, like in a major, like, you know what I mean?

Like the, like, knowing kids who get, who end up with that kind of pressure being like actors or whatever and then suddenly the entire family's like, well, you know, we're all counting on you now, right? And you're 12. Right. That breaks 99.999% of people to have to have that kind of like weight on their shoulders on some level. I mean, like, not everyone, but like, most people would crumble under that kind. And it's a terrible situation to be in. But the fact that she could do it and still maintain like this joy throughout it is like really. I think that must be a credit to the fact that the whole operation was like structured as her family already. It's like all family through and through.

I also think that it helps that she is like she's got an engine, you know? She only needs three to four hours of sleep a night. Like she just has like kind of this limitless energy that is like comes from a place of kindness. there are all these stories. Like she would like hire kids from the neighborhood to do yard work and would like make them lunch and you know like shit that like you don't have time to do when you. As a 22 year old?

Yeah. You know what the fuck? How much do you have your shit together? Dropped everything to like meet fans who were like in a tough situation. There's a story of her going to her first press conference and hugging everyone in the room. And at one point a young fan was like, oh my God, I love your boots when she was signing. a thing for her and she just like took them off and gave them to her like that's just where it's insane

like it is so like very again just a great generous person yeah it's like it's really one of like the most i feel like such an underrated quality like when even you're you're thinking of just our interactions like yeah these are the kinds of things like you're like wow what a touching thing but you're just a genuinely caring generous person so i don't know if we i also don't know if we have anyone else that's like that's her in our community specifically like i just can't think of anyone else that you know it's like that it's kind of what you were saying about like having these revolutionary she she like in the documentary they talked about how many kids then were embracing being mexican-american specifically like i was saying like being chakana and and not seeing it as a

negative anymore like seeing it as a bridge between these two worlds and so her being taken from us it's like we just don't quite have someone it was like a blow you know, that we would be even more powerful if we were allowed to keep our icons. Yeah, and grow with them, you know. And grow with them and how influential she would be using her platform. Like, yeah. It's never got to see that. Yeah.

It's a, it's a huge bummer. This is also the point. So she starts opening like boutiques where, because she was like she designed all her like those iconic outfits that, you know, Danny who is cosplaying in. Yeah. Yeah. I also have.

I have so much of her. I have the Selena. Look, I have her makeup. Yeah, I had her eye stuff. I have so much Selena stuff. Y'all don't even know. The makeup was like another thing where I forget which makeup company it was, but like they needed like a letter writing campaign to get them to like put this makeup line

out and then it like sold out again like the second it like touched shelves. It was gone. And they're like, huh. There's also People magazine. when she passed, put out a commemorative issue, like a Selena, full Selena issue. That they didn't make it the only issue that month. They also had, they like did it for a small chunk of Texas People magazines.

And the other was like the cast of friends, I think was on the cover. Wild. And it, but the Selena one sold out so quickly that they like went back for another printing. went back for another printing. And finally they were like, we're going to do a Spanish language people like that. But like that was the reason they ended up to it. It was because of like the power of her draw.

This is when Yolanda Saldivar comes into her life. She's the president of her fan club. She like goes to a concert and is like blown away and reaches out. I was like, can I be the president of the fan club? and then, you know, Selena's so busy. And this is, like, it's the one time that I've been like, man, I wish, I don't usually root for, like, asshole agents and managers. But I'm like, man, like, that's what we needed here.

We needed, like, we needed UTA to sign her, like, three years before she died. Like, some hard-ass manager who, like, came through her life and was like, that was, you know, like, she was probably, like, to, nice for her own good. Like the Yolanda, people were like, we were nice to Yolanda because Selena was so nice to Yolanda. Like if you said a bad word about anyone, Salina would compliment them. And so like, Selena had this like incredible, you know, kindness and energy about her towards everybody. And like, you need, like, that's something you see in Hollywood is like the people who are actually nice. Like, their managers have to be like complete monsters.

But she was exactly, but she was also so young that like she wasn't in Hollywood long enough to be jaded to know that people would fuck you over. Like she just she hadn't experienced that yet. If she had lived several decades after that, she would have, she would have, you know. Right. Yeah. Not with someone murdering her, but with like people trying to fuck her over, people trying to, you know, do stuff with her money. She just was so young at that time. She was naively believing in the best and everyone.

Right. Also, like, it sort of aligned with her aspirations to be selling clothing, too, because I was reading like that was a, that was like something that Selena felt that Yolanda specifically helped with. Yeah. So she gave her the boutique. She oversaw the boutique. This was also someone that started as a fan. Yeah. She started as a fan.

She loves her fan. She always says I would not be anywhere without them. And so if this, this fan is, you know, devoting her life, devoting her work to her, you know, a very loyal fan. that it just makes sense. I understand why, why in some regard. It totally makes sense. Yeah.

It's, you, you need like some, someone who is cynical in your orbit to be like, I don't know about this one. And like, she had, uh,

actually like been in 1983, her former employer, uh, a doctor had like sued her for $9,200 for theft. But like that didn't come up on their background check. Um, but, uh,

So that ends up being what happens is that like she is stealing money from the clothing stores. She's, you know, passing weird checks. She's is supposed to be in charge of the fan club. And then like people who sign up for the fan club are not getting the stuff that they're supposed to be getting. Like she's just, you know, a pathological liar. Like there is this weird part where like Selena is like and, you know, it's great. Like she's doing a great job in the fan club. And that's really, you know, important to me because what can happen if you don't have a good fan club,

is like people don't get the stuff that they're supposed to get. It's almost like Yolanda was like going out of her way to lie to her preemptively about the shit that she was actually fucking up behind the scenes. It's like very, I don't know, pathological. Yeah, 100%. Anyways, so there's a bunch of back and forth because she's like hiding documents and Selena, for whatever reason is the person who keeps having to like go and like deal with her. That shouldn't have been the case.

But. And then one time when she, like, goes to her hotel to fire her, uh, Yolanda shoots her. And she's trying to run away. And she's trying to run away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I liked that in the documentary, they didn't show her.

Oh, yeah. They just cut. They did not show her. Yeah. Um, and then, yeah, that's the, I mean, when you think, I mean, obviously we can't change history, but it's like if she were in a different place, if she were like, somebody else should have gone, not her, not the literal. artist confronting someone about money.

But she had like too big a heart, you know, she was too, like the day that she went, like got shot, I think it was that day or the day before. Yolanda was like, I was actually assaulted and Selena like took her to the hospital to like look into it. And then the doctor was like none of the shit is lining up. And that's when like Selena was like, all right, well, we need to part ways. And that's when it ended. But the morning was why, like, fans just immediately turned up to her house, made it into a shrine.

Which, by the way, that's one of the things that people said about Yolanda is, like, her roommate moved out because she had turned the entire house into a Salina shrine before, like, any of this happened. Like, once she started working for her. So, like, again, like, she had that. religious kind of devotion to Selena. And then, you know, it went haywire somewhere. I mean, she was, like, definitely a broken person. I don't think there is anybody I can think of in the world who is at, like, people are as uniformly like, no, fuck this person as Yolanda.

Like, I mean, she still makes headlines when she tried to go get parole recently. She's still trying to get paroled. Keep her in there. I mean, no, everyone has said you are safer in there. Trust me. Yeah. You should stay in there. the second you get out.

Her next hearing is in 2030. But like her dad said that like we had to move after her death. We could hardly leave the house for the first few weeks because of the crowds outside. Months afterward, there were still people standing outside the house even in the middle of the night. I'm not talking about one or two people. I'm talking about 15 or 20. They're in the streets at three o'clock in the morning. And again, this is like when I call them deities, I'm not joking.

Like that is some religious devotion. Yeah. Like if that was a cult doing that at a leader's house, it would everybody would be like, this, what is this a fucking horror movie? They're off. It also just feels like a trauma response that she was taken so suddenly you don't even have time to process. Like clearly, I know Chris said that, um, her husband. It's like you just you, you, you know, you're processing it later. So in that moment, it's several people that they interviewed said, I'm here just to like see if this is real. I can't imagine that she's gone. It's like not even registering because she was such a. big bright light to have that like out suddenly is just especially for her family yeah one of the things we've talked about that is like a consequence of people's inability to like deal with you know these larger than life figures and the fact that these large and the life figures die is like that they will create conspiracy theories that these people are not dead you know we've seen it with teupac we've seen it with elvis and they actually so at her funeral like the one where

there was like thousands of people publicly able to like pay their respect. They initially had it as a closed casket memorial service. And like they actively heard the rumor starting that she wasn't actually in the casket. And so they opened the casket for people to see because like in real time, they were like, oh, we need to stop this because otherwise this is just going to be a rumor that she's like somewhere chilling with. Tupac, you know. And that funeral is I was, I'd never seen it before. So in researching for this, I watched it. Um, it is on YouTube. It is like, you can see her open casket and she's just, all the comments are like she's an eight, like she looks immaculate. She looks like an angel. She looks

untouched. Yeah, she looks. It's wild that they weren't planning an open casket because she was. Yeah. She, she looked great. Like almost in a way we're like, I'm, I don't even think this person is actually dead. Right. It was so just, she looks just. like in a moment of pause or something. Yeah. Yeah, she looks like she's sleeping. But yeah, I mean, people were, like, outside of the crime scene, like, trying to find, like, grass that had, like,

blood spatter on it, like, trying to get, like, the lawn clipping version of the shroud of Turin. Like, it's really, like, next level religious feelings that people had and have for her. They destroyed the murder weapon, and they were a lot of fans were upset about that. Because, like, they were like, no, like, this is a historical item.

But at the time, they're like, no, this is getting destroyed and tossed into the Bay of Corpus Christi. Yeah. And people were immediately, like, they were immediately, like, we need to not let Yolanda in the general population. People were immediately waiting outside of the police station to kill her.

If she made bail. And also, uh, there, there was a Howard Stern made, like a bunch of comments that like, I don't know. You can't really call them jokes. It's just like racism. He's just being racist about Selena's death and shit.

And like he immediate, like it was like the land speed record for death threats that came to somebody after like a broadcast. And like he had to issue an apology. Well, because if you're, I don't know if you remember at the time, he was playing her music and the soundboard guy was putting gunshot

up the back. Oh my God. And like, I think it was just. One of those moments where, like, white America completely has no idea the country that they live in. And they're like, just because you're, you're fucking ignorant, you have no fucking clue the impact that this artist has left on a segment of the population you couldn't even get a fraction of. So you think like, ah, ha, ha. He's like, you know, he's like, this movie, this music isn't for me.

Like, I don't even know who this is for. Yeah. And you're doing this kind of flipping shit. And then, yeah, you found out. Yeah, there were, like, letters to the editor in the local paper being like, guys, are we over? overdoing it a little bit with all the Selena stuff and then like white last name, you know.

Y'all are lucky I was seven. Right. Fucked you. Y'all are lucky I was in elementary school. I would have shown up Howard Stern. I didn't know that. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. But an incredible brief, but like, I mean,

just an amazing what would have been like and just so random and so like strange that this person was taken from. almost by such a troll, weird sociopath. Gremlin. Yeah. It's motherfucker.

I just, it's crazy too that her name now is synonymous. Like I would hate to actually my, my, my, um, Dia's name is Yolanda, but I would hate to like, you know, that name is so,

it is. It's Karen, but worse, you know, and that's like what we, it's a slur. It's a slur. Yeah,

there's a grown into high school with who, like, hated being called Yolanda because of, that and she was like she was always yoli but like she was like people were calling her and she responded but then it was like nah like the brand is the brand is fucked up right right generationally yeah but i think again like to me again as someone who's not mexican not Latino at all but growing up around many like Latinos and just as a kid in the city it's it this like selina was really one of these figures that it really dawned on me how important

this culture was to like and how prevalent it was around me like it really opened my eyes because again seeing every like Latino kid get activated by Selena at that time I didn't I was like what the fuck this is crazy bro like everyone is turning up for Selena and I was even thinking like how I knew the words to them without knowing what they meant because right you were around people all the time and you're just saying like just anything like so many lyrics that i'm like wait i don't even know what i'm singing right now i just know that this is i'm like i like comeo me dwell and i'm like everybody's singing i have again i don't i don't know to this day what that means but i can say i can sing como la floor like the at least the first two verses because it just was

something that like even was so new and exciting. And I was able to tap into how exciting this was and how also just dope the music was. It exposed me to so many other things. But yeah, I think there's like just a really, there's another power to it that's beyond her music that I always resonated with me as just like a biracial person that I could just see what this meant again for like, like you're saying, Danny, Chicanoes who are straddling multiple cultures and what that experience is like. And yeah, I think she resonates. with so many people. Like, then I think that's, that's a mark

of a true fucking icon like that. You don't, bro, I don't even speak Spanish really like that, but I can, I'll sing the fuck out of Selena.

No, she got you to level four on duolingo. She did. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um, no,

and like she, what you were talking about culturally, too, is like she, this is why anyone that follows me on threads, because I'm not on Twitter anymore, but like,

I rep Texas so hard because it's like, we have, like, when people, I guess when people think of Texas, they think of, like white guys in F-150s or whatever. I'm like, no, this is our culture.

We are so culture. Like, when you watch her, you're like, this is Tahano culture. And so it is frustrating to me to relinquish that, I guess, to white people or that being what represents Texas when we have our own entire culture in that state of history. What Texas is. Literally. And yeah. And so I will always fight people about it.

Amazing. Well, thank you for suggesting. Selena was a great. Yay. A great dive. Yeah. The icon. I do want to tell you,

my family is so Catholic that I could not be more Catholic. And I had this frame. It was of the Virgin Mary. But if you looked, it was actually Selena. And so it was up at my, like, my mom did not even know, like, the whole time it was up there.

As a kid, you had that? Oh, no. This was like a couple years ago. Oh, okay. Like, I just, like, would have it up. it was like and it was clearly you know um the virgin mary but when you looked closer like it was selina in her astrodome outfit so i have that i also have this like i have so much i don't know if you can see that yeah like artwork yeah artwork of her um i love her i love art i love our

i'm like shit bro she got a walk of fame star doesn't sound like i gotta go to she did i was there i was there i cried yeah i think evil anguori was there i mean they probably pulled in a lot of the Tihanas. But me and Vanessa Guerrero went out there at night when they were doing the star for her. Wow. Wow. Yeah.

Who came from her family? I think her whole family. Her whole family, you know, they are currently in a lawsuit, which we didn't talk about, but they talked about off mic, I think, when Oh, did you? Yeah. No, you were telling me about how I think A.B.

Oh, it's messy. Yeah. Her brother is suing her sister. Her dad passed away this past, last year, I think. And there's a lot of turmoil. There's always been kind of drama. So, yeah. For, like, the rights to her recordings and stuff like that. I think, like, it has to do, it definitely has to do with money.

Yeah. So, yeah. Well, that's a bummer. But, you know, it's also a god. Her sister was who introduced Yolanda to her. That's got to be a tough one to sit with, you know? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah. Yolanda approached the sister to be like, I think Selena should have a fan club. You know what's crazy is I was looking at like, I was listening to her music this morning. It's insane how many downloads. Like it's still constantly. I would get into like an Uber and they're playing the radio, not even like Spotify or something. And she's playing on the radio. That's crazy. Yeah. Being played on like Kiss FM. And, you know, for someone, I didn't mention that. I forgot, I have to say this. Canonically,

Goku and her have the same birthday. Or just non-canonically, no, listen, this is the most Mexican thing to ever happen to me. So it's accepted by fans. It's not official, but Goku's birthday and her birthday are actually the same day,

which I believe is April 16th. So that is the most Mexican thing that I've ever heard. Yeah, April 16th. Yes, her and Goku. Love it. We love that for us. God bless.

Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff, Danny? Yeah, find me on Instagram, because who knows about all the other things? I don't even know how long I'll have that, but at least find me on there. I'm at Ms. Danny Fernandez. It's M-S-D-A-N-I-F-E-R-N-D-E-Z. You feel free to tag me in any Selena stuff and any Goku, any Dragon Ballsy. That is my Ben diagram. Yeah.

As everyone knows, Selena, Dragon Ballsy. I know. Finding out my two. I search Selena, Goku, and your post comes up. Yeah. My, my, my, my, listen, when I found this out, everything unlocked for me. Those are two gods. Those are, you know, Goku is like an Olympic mascot and, you know, these are my, those are my two gods.

Someone commented, Kamala floor. I'm obsessed. Amel of floor. Yeah. No, the actual dwebs will be like, that's not as official. It's never been confirmed. It's confirmed here. I'm confirming it now.

Don't worry about it. It started as a rumor, not connected to her. It started as a rumor and then it just took off. And then when I found out like, oh, y'all are saying it's April 16th, well, that's Selena's birthday. So we love our Mexican, our Mexican icons. Two beloved Mexican icons. Miles, where can people find you at Miles of Gray and the other shows, 420 Day Fiance and

Ain't a Footy? There you go. All right. We'll be right back with the notebook. Dump. All right. That was Selena. This is the

No, No, No notebook dump. In keeping with the tendency we've seen for our icons to grow up poor

to middle class, like somewhere in that range. Selina was, as mentioned, literally singing for her supper, which I think probably the standard

definition is like they grew up hungry and that's what got them to be good at whatever they're good at. I don't necessarily think it's the desperation because a lot of trauma comes with that. I do think that there's also something to it about being plugged into the same things as your

audience. You know, the vast majority of Americans are poor to middle class. And by growing up like that, you have access to the actual communal experience that the vast majority of people are drawing on. and I think that's true of Selena. There's a People magazine profile of her about how her taste stayed, quote, down to earth. She shopped for shoes at Payless and dresses at Walmart. Her favorite restaurant was Olive Garden. Shut out, Selena.

She loved pepperoni pizzas from Pizza Hut. And I feel like being born Porta middle class allows you to plug into the shared unconscious of your audience in a way that I don't think people who are born wealthy and have like wealthy parents necessarily have access to. Oprah talks about her relationship to her audience and how her main insight that she had that allowed her career to take off is that she's exactly like her audience.

If she has a question, they probably would have that same question. You know, she's drawing from her own lived experience and her own curiosity and her own experiences of what the stuff she's talking about. She's not just making content for an audience that she's cynically trying to manipulate, which is often how you see the mainstream media talk about the creation of art, is that it's like all these kind of complicated decisions. And when you talk to artists, a lot of the times it's just like, they're making it for people like themselves.

They're making the thing that they would want to, consume. And I don't think starting poor, you know, gives you that necessarily, but I do think being rich gets in the way of it. Like, the wealthy generally live in a world of trying to justify their unfair advantage to themselves. And I don't think there's a way to exist in that sort of kind of warped feeling of superiority and not get your kind of sense, your gut for reality and what's interesting, uh, fucked up in some way. And, uh, you know, one of the key insights that being wealthy might fuck up for you is that, uh, the Olive Garden rips, you know, especially 90s Olive Garden, that pre-private equity,

olive garden, brother, that pre-private equity salad and breadsticks, um, breadsticks. I would suggest that, uh, she was on to the wrong. pizza and that Domino's is our superior fast food pizza and that, uh, you know, but she, she was living in a pre-apology to our world, you know, a world before Domino's said, hey, we've been making our pizza bad the past couple decades and we're going to do it good now. So I can't, I can't fault her, you know? She never saw 9-11, never saw Domino's get good again. so can't be too mad at her for riding for Pizza Hut.

I was, I think at some point in the 90s I was also riding for Pizza Hut. They gave me free pizza for reading books. I liked the details where the Coca-Cola Corporation knew how great she was before most people. Like, while the corporate world does ruin you as a human, it does give you access to these metrics, you know, Q ratings,

sales data, the, these packs of Coke with Selena's face on them, keep disappearing, like, at a rate that doesn't make sense, that violates our previous sales and economics rules and violates the laws of physics.

How are they going this fast? You know, they're out there with their, their charisma measuring device, a bunch of Hollywood and advertising executives walking around small music venues like talent Ghostbusters being like, hey, look, I don't know what the Spanish lady's singing about, but these readings are off the chart, you know? Coke knew she was on the level of Elton John probably before her own family knew that. and you kind of see this in Hollywood too.

The agencies have crazy access to tracking metrics, and they know, they just know about people way ahead of time. They're like, oh, we need a young Casey Affleck for the latest Nolan. Let's go with that Tim Shamillet, or whatever his name is,

you know, before everybody else knows about it. And then I do just want to go back, to, I think the main thing is that this is our icon episode about what might have been slash what would have been that when people are looking at the years of bad pop and rap music in the late 90s, not all bad, but just generally. Like, maybe not where we should have been. We might have just been missing Selena and Tupac and Biggie and not kind of realizing

it. And with Biggie, I think it's kind of easy to imagine what would have been just more. great albums. Tupac really kind of feels like the sky's the limit. I think he might, I said in the Tupac episode he might have won an Oscar. I think he could have had a political career, not like run for president, but just like his, the content of his message was more political than, I think I realized at the time. But with Tupac, there's like a lot of variability of the different directions that could have

gone. Selena, I think we can say her getting removed from the firmament of time in our timeline, our weird, bad timeline is just an undeniable fulcrum moment. This is going to sound like I'm overstating this, but I don't know if we have another Assassin's bullet that did more guaranteed damage, I guess. Like even JFK, a lot of people like to talk about how he was about to change everything and end of the Cold War, which, you know, I like to believe that sometimes, and maybe it was true. But he was also the person who helped get America into Vietnam, McNamara, the guy in the amazing documentary, The Fog of War, talking about how badly they fucked up all of their decisions about Vietnam. That was JFK's guy. JFCK, you know, just might have been increasingly

unpopular as he was forced to hold that decision, you know, more and more. So again, huge variability there. Selina, I just, look, I don't think she ends any wars, but I don't think there's a world where she survives and doesn't change the way the world looks and feels pretty drastically. Bad for J-Lo, but I think in ways that would be undeniably good for the rest of us. Yolanda, probably the most hateable and hated character we've covered in this series. I do just have to, the one thing I can say, I do have to tip my hat to her, the stupidity of her alibi. How has no other assassin tried, I was trying to shoot myself and I missed, you know.

So I was actually trying to shoot myself with a long-range sniper rifle. And that's on me, probably in retrospect, why it didn't work. because I'm setting up to do myself in and here comes around the corner out the window the president's motorcade you know um I'm I'm surprised nobody else has tried it but uh truly truly just a profound ability to come up with a lie that uh she she's able to convince herself of that just absolutely nobody else is going to believe and lastly just another word about uh Frank Ocean name checking her on the last song on the last full album that we have from him, blonde, the song is Future of Free. And it's like, you know, that he proceeded to go

full J.D. Salinger on us. I don't know. Do people know that anymore that J.D. Salinger was kind of, the main thing he was famous for was writing Catcher in the Rye and a couple other, you know, well-respected and very popular works and then just kind of becoming a recluse and never publishing again. And everybody was always like, what's he doing, you know, and there are rumored. of like these great novels that he'd written and then just like burned up in his cabin. And I think that that instinct to remove yourself from the public eye in the face of extreme fame is in a weird way kind of loosely related to his books relation to assassins. I actually wrote a paper in college on the connection between Salinger and J.L.

John Lennon's assassin who, you know, who shot John Lennon and sat down and started reading Ketra in the Rye until the police came. And when they confiscated his copy of Ketron the Rye, he had written, this is my statement inside. The book, The Ketcher in the Rye was his statement about why he shot John Lennon. So the goal of my paper in college was to try to understand at least what was going through his head. And there have been other assassins who were discovered to at least be fan.

of Catcher in the Rye. And I don't know if I was ultimately successful, but it came up again, that question, the relation of the content, the relation to J.D. Salinger going, removing himself from public in the face of fame and the relationship of like,

you know, fame to these people who assassinate extremely famous people. So the title, The Catcher in the Rye, comes from a section of the book where the narrator, Holden, Caulfield is like talking about,

a dream where he's in a rye field trying to catch these kids before they go over a cliff of, you know, becoming teenagers and adults and, you know, all the messiness and nastiness that is entailed there. And he's also kind of going over that cliff. And it's a metaphor for him trying to catch these kids before they're ruined by the, you know, inevitable perversity of the adult world and the inevitable like onward march of time. And my theory was that Lennon's assassin, like, felt like he was saving Lennon from going over that cliff. Like, the connections that these fans have with icons is so powerful that when something threatens to change it, uh, including the icons themselves, like, because like John Lennon is going solo and, you know,

uh, in the case of his assassin, like, not respecting Jesus, he, had some wild theory where, you know, John Lennon was actually singing about Christian values before. And now he was, you know, violating those values. In the case of Selena, you know, your idol is actually firing you from being the president of their fan club. It's too much to take. There's too much at stake for these fans. And, you know, these fans in America have access to a handgun. And I think it's so interesting that as I'm having all these thoughts about Selena,

I hear Frank Ocean saying a song to his fans, you say I'm changing on you. I feel like Selena. They want to murder me like Selena. Like connecting those thoughts of, you know, the fans not wanting him to change and him feeling like they're going to try and kill him. He also opens the song saying, I'm just a guy.

I'm not a god. So I feel like. like sometimes the only rational thing for someone to do when they're given this crazy level of power and fame and, you know, a gift that they will kill you merely for possessing, uh, sometimes the smartest thing to do is to just like give it back or disappear. Or at least I understand that instinct. Anyways, would still love to see a new album from Frank Ocean, but I feel like I get it. Uh, it is powerful, scary stuff.

All right, that's going to do it for the Selena Notebook dump. Thanks to Miles, of course. Danny Fernandez, of course, for suggesting the subject of Selena for the guest spot. The outfit, we might need to start doing these icon episodes as video episodes. This was the second great outfit. Jamie Loftus also had some amazing minion stuff happening in our episode. I think both not realizing it was not a full video episode. Thanks to Meredith Danko.

for the research on this one and to Brian the editor for pulling it all together. And that's going to do it for September icon episodes. And we are entering spooky season, which means we are entering a season of spooky icon episodes, fright con, fright conography. So next week, we're kicking it off with a big one. The monster I would consider the main icon of Halloween. We're going to not just do like, you know, universal movie monsters. we've got some fun, like a fun variety, some weird, like hyper-specific archetypes.

And, yeah, I think it's going to be fun. But Halloween is the season that kind of gave us one of the main things when we were thinking about, like, what qualifies for an icon? The first thing we thought is, like, well, do they make sense as a Halloween costume? Like, are they that iconic? So this is really an icono-grim. Raff season and we're going to do something special for all four iconographs that drop in the month of October. We've already recorded one of them and it's a lot of fun.

But yeah, I'm not going to say exactly what the first one's about. I'll let you guys stew on that for a week. Like what is the big spooky icon, the monster that is like kind of the Santa of Halloween? I don't know. That's actually confusing. That's misleading. But, you know, just the one that I think is the first kind of. of icon that at least I think of when it comes to Halloween season.

It is with, I'll tell you who it's with, it's with Blake Wexler. And we just recorded it. And it's so stupid and fun. Back this afternoon to tell you what was trending over the weekend. But hope you enjoyed this. And we will talk to you soon. Thanks. The Daily Zykeyes is executive produced by Catherine Law.

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