The Daily Zeitgeist - Ignore Your Kids, Use AI! Blood And Toil 07.10.25

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

In episode 1894, Jack and Miles are joined by science fiction and fantasy writer, author of Riot Baby and co-host of The Inner Cities Podcast, Tochi Onyebuchi, to discuss… It’s Ok That Medicaid Is Being Cut... YOU CAN NOW TOIL IN THE FIELDS, Is AI A Good Daddy? And more! It’s Ok That Medicaid Is Being Cut... YOU CAN NOW TOIL IN THE FIELDS Schmitt: "The answer is opening those opportunities up for American workers." Is AI A Good Daddy? LISTEN: Keeping You Close (Cesco Remix) by HalogenixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Tochi, man, like, what do we have? Why do we have you? You're such an esteemed guest. I'm going to personally go, man, what are you doing here? Oh, I'm just here for a good time. Oh, man, we love that. We love that. We love that. We love that. Awesome. Well, we're thrilled to have you. Thanks for doing this.

Yeah. No pleasure. A pleasure. I'm super. I'm actually super happy that they'll put me on to y'all. Okay. Fresh air. Yeah. You just say that man. You don't gotta say that. This show sucks. You have to come. You have to convince us before we start recording. It's really toxic. We're worthy of having you on. You guys are doing great. I believe in you. What a weird, what a weird energy gonna bring to a boy host

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episode four of Dirt Daily Zeitgeist. Ah! This is a production by iHeartRadio. It's a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Thursday, July 10th, 2025. Get your slurpee drinking straws already. You already know what day it is.

It's July 10th, 2025. If you're checking in, it's Chronic Disease Day, National Peony Colada Day, National Kitten Day, and National Clara Hue Day. Who is Edmund Clara-Hugh Bentley? I don't know. Miles, I don't like it. It celebrates a poem style. Oh, this sounds like white people haiku.

This is what it said, on July 10 each year, National Clara-Hugh Day in the United States celebrates a poem style created by Edmund Clara-Hugh Bentley. His four-line biographical poem offers a brief, the whimsical approach to poetry. Okay. It's like one syllable off from the haiku. And he's like, I invented that shit.

This is so bad. Okay. These are your five Clarehugh must haves. Four lines rhyming couplets of A-A-B-B. A person's name in the first line, something said about that person, and humor. Because Claire Huw poems are meant to be a funny poem. Claire Huw is my favorite humorist, my favorite comedian.

Who, my favorite comedian? Well, that was supposed to be William something Claire Huw. He had a Magneto tattoo on his back. AAA, OK. His favorite show. Wait, now I'm fucked up. We'll work on this.

I was trying to do a limerick. I was trying to do something. I feel like that was more limerick. I would fuck it, I think, is how I would end it. Is that how that one? Yeah, yeah. The one show that was a man with a pot. Well, because of the Magneto tattoo, you didn't say where it is on my back.

Oh, yeah. Tramp stamp adjacent. My name is Jack O'Brien, aka can it be that it was all so dimples then? That one courtesy of Archcam Cam on the discord in reference to My first nickname from my aunts after my cousins would say Jackie you still into Joel's My aunts would come up and pinch my cheeks and call me dimples. So that's a little bit about myself When you put that in your fucking couplet may clear you clear you Pat Donahue Pat Shit

I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host Mr. Miles Gray Hey BBL seems going good. Oh seems like a sudden stinko Maybe this fat was already old why'd I get it inject? Oh Maybe it drowned fuck is that mold? What if it bleeds? Holy hell? No, please not me. I need lipo It's so grotesque trend. Oh, okay. Shout out Halcyon salad for that Espresso related BBL, BBL stink. Stinko.

Yeah. Yeah. That was a good one. Well done. Thank you. One of our favorite songs, one of our greatest artists, Halcyon Salad. Do you remember, remember like when espresso came out and Molly Lambert was like, dude, you know, like, like this is right when it came out and Molly was like casually brought

it up. I think she was like overrated espresso. I'm like tired of hearing it everywhere. And we were like, yeah, Google, Google, Google. You can just hear us frantically Google it. I'm working late. I'm listening to Weird Al with my kids. All right, that's what I'll be over here

listening to Weird Al. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat. Every once in a while we we have a Billy Joel Piano Man guest, as in I have to ask them, man, what are you doing here? This is an American science fiction and fantasy writer, former civil rights lawyer. His 2020 novella, Riot Baby,

won the Alex Award and the World Fantasy Award. He's written comics for Marvel, written for the Call of Duty game. Please welcome the brilliantly talented, acclaimed. Tochi Onyebuchi! Thank you for having me. What's going on? What are you doing here? You know, it's it's one of those things whenever that question gets asked, Thank you for having me. Tell me what's going on. What are you doing here? You know, it's one of those things whenever that question gets asked where it's like my

immediate circle of like family and friends like we're eating. We're good. Right. And then everything immediately out of that in flames just bad out there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, hey, I'm sure your love of sci-fi and dystopian futures hasn't fueled your imagination in ways that it keeps you pretty grounded. It's like, you know, I'm just waiting for one of these fricking dweebs to like name their, their world ending corporation after something in one of my books that was about a world ending corporation. Right, right, right. That was obviously the point. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there is this new guy, Miles Dyson, that has just entered the administration

with he's got some theories on automation. Yeah. But he talks like Arnold here. I can see. Yeah. But he's like a black guy who talks like Arnold. Right. I'm sure he must, right? Yeah. But he talks like Arnold. I can still hear. I can still hear. But he's like a black guy who talks like Arnold. I'm sure he must, right? Yeah.

He must say Miles Dyson. That was always, I was like, that's me. I'm Miles Dyson. That's a tough one, man. That was a tough one. I know. The architect of the end of the world. The most famous sci-fi work of our childhood.

But you know what? He was killing it, man. He was. Doctor. In many ways. He was a doctor? He was killing it, man. He was a doctor. In many ways. He was a doctor too. He was killing a lot of things. I mean, his like last breath, like last breaths in Terminator 2, iconic. That's a great performance from that actor. Oh yeah. I mean, Joe Morton, absolute fucking legend. Yeah. Well, Tochi, we're thrilled to have you here. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment.

First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of the things we're talking about, uh, we're talking about Medicaid being cut, uh, and just like, what's the end game here with all, with all this, they cut Medicaid, uh, JD Vance's explanation was guys, yeah. Okay. So there's going to be like a few cuts, a little, you know, tinkering here and there, but it's all going to be worth it because we're funding ICE to get rid of illegal immigrants, and they're the ones who are costing you all the money. So we're, we're actually saving money.

And it turns out we've crunched the numbers on that. And that's complete, um, also other people who know how to crunch the numbers have also crunched the numbers, it's not just us and, and they also think it's bullshit. So we're just going to, what's this all going to look like? What's the end game here guys? What's the future look like? Thank God we have, you will toil in the fields. Exactly. Thank God we have a sci-fi writer.

Thank God you have Miles Dyson here to tell you the new agricultural policy. Play the tape forward. See how that's going. Something that completely divorced from the world of AI, of science fiction. We have somebody writing about how he's raising his kids with AI. Just good parenting. Like he's like hitting all these things that are like, yeah, that's when parenting gets like hard.

And also like when you push through the difficult part, it's like really fun. You know, like it's a challenge that why do that when you got AI? Yeah, literally each time. I don't know why there's poor people, son. Ask Grock. Why does God allow human suffering? I mean, you know, I'm sure, you know, you, ask Grok. God damn it. Why does God allow human suffering? I mean, you know, I'm sure, you know, driving you crazy.

You're over your limit of questions. He literally has a limit of questions that he's giving his kids at bedtime. He's like, I'll give them two, three questions at bedtime, and then I turn it over to AI. Anyways, we'll talk about that. This is in the same periodical that gave us one of our favorite articles recently. Yeah, my name is Chad. And I get what discrimination is

because I'm a white guy named Chad. And that's difficult somehow. Because they think I'm like, cool. Every time I pull up, it's really fucked up and oppressive. Like, why can't I just be Chad in the Patagonia vest? Yeah. And they know, and they, they hear my name's Chad and they already know I'm wearing a Patagonia vest. You can hear the fleece vest crumpling. But before we get to that, Tochi, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Um, I recently Googled Anna Karenina word count.

That should basically tell you everything that you need to know about me. Great book. Great. Like I highly, I highly recommend, I know like readings, not really in vogue these days, but fantastic, fantastic freaking book. One of the greats. I've been told and I have not read that, and I am trying to get back into reading. Maybe I'm putting that on my list.

Assuming the word count is somewhere south of 750. Yeah, it's pretty far south of that. It's hefty though. It's hefty. It's a thick one. What were you doing that because you feel like that's where you're landing with something you're working on or what's... Just curiosity. You know, I like to...

Sometimes I get very like mechanical and obsessive about things like that related to, to books, like word counts and stuff like that. Sometimes to not necessarily give myself a target to reach, but just to, you know, just to know kind of where stuff is. Exactly. Exactly. It doesn't hurt to know. Yeah. So it's a, we're, we're in the 350,000 range.

Yeah. Looks like. Yeah. I'm looking for 350 words Any works that you I have been enjoying because of my shitty attentions, man I have been talking on the podcast about enjoying poetry Poetry fewer words. Yeah, some pretty great effect. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I just yeah

I'm gonna look up how many words in the Jim Lee X-Men number one Yeah, that's that's about where I tap out because also the covers were big posters They were poolside in the back cover tap out because also the covers were big posters. So that also helped a lot. That's right. They were poolside in the back cover. It's really cool. What is something you think is underrated? Shirley temples. Mm hmm.

The temple. That's my go to drink. Absolutely. You keep going. And oh, yeah, like that's the first if I'm in an establishment, that's the first thing I asked. Yeah. Have any granted. Do you keepadine in the home? Oh yeah. Like that's the first, if I'm in an establishment, that's the first thing I ask. Do you have any grenadine? Do you keep grenadine in this fine establishment?

Exactly. You know, you don't have no grenadine in your Serato? Like, yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's, you know, they're wildly underrated. Right. I haven't ordered a Shirley Temple in a long time. Is it a pretty, like, what do you hit,

what are you batting about? Like 50-50 on dining establishments with grenadine? Or is it the most of them have it? Most of them that I've been to have it. Maybe I've just gotten lucky. That can also be the trick. But yeah, you get it and you get the you get that maraschino cherry. That's so crucial.

That's how you know they're taking care of you. Oh, yeah. And they're like, do you tie the stem in a knot with your tongue? Are you able to do that? You can your tongue? Are you able to do that you can do it I am able to do that I can't do it was that like your fun fact on the dating apps It was kicked off of dating Actually put that on my resume For a job and like why are you hitting me your resume right now?

I'm like, dude, I'm hitting you up for a job. And like, why are you hitting me your resume right now? I just wanted you to see that team you're about to join. Yeah, it's like Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, tongue tying. I'm trying to find a cherries. It takes me a while, though. Yeah. Like, you know, I had a cousin show me that trick. And then what I did, I remember doing this on a date.

I snagged the extra one. I pre tied it and I put it in my mouth and I went like this. But then I had to go for so long with the other stem in my mouth because I didn't want to be like, like, I was like, I'm crossing this person the whole time that I just ended up, I kind of chewing it and just like eating it. And I was like, hmm, this is not worth the last. It was hidden. Yeah.

Because I had that shit stage and I said, oh, watch this trick. First of all, my date so unimpressed that I immediately was like, this was such a fucking L dude, what are you fucking doing? What have you gotten yourself into? Uh, I think it was impressed. It's like mainly impressive to like 12 year old boys. That's why I worked really hard to get good enough to do it. And, Oh, so you put your 10,000 hours in.

I put my 10 literally in here. Yeah. But yeah, I do love a Shirley temple. And then the Cola equivalent where you put Roger in, right. Darth Vader, some know it as a Darth Vader. Someone call it a Darth Vader, you know, regional. I think when I was in, uh, in Dayton, Ohio, we call it Darth Vader's Because we didn't give a fuck about Roy Rogers

Temple for the lady and me. Yeah, I have a Darth Vader. Yeah actually make that a double Vade Me. Yeah, I have a Darth Vader. Yeah, actually make that a double vaid Dude The double Three fingers fingers of grenadine three fingers of Dean and Cola on let me yeah, let me get a straight grenade, bro. What is that? Just Grenadine in a tub. Pound that shit. Hold the Dean. Just Grenadine.

I am just, I am realizing also that that is still my freestyle machine order is the Coke Zero with the cherry sauce. Oh, right, right, right. But that's like a cherry Coke, though, versus a straight Vader. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it is. Like they have some bright red syrup that's going in. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's definitely not grenadine, but that shit is like a unnatural redder than code red. Yeah. Yeah. It will stain black jeans.

Yeah. Yeah. If you get it. You look like this is radioactive. Yeah, it will stain black jeans. Radioactive. Yeah. No, you drink enough of that, you're going to turn into a ninja turtle. That's really how that turns out. Don't tell 40 year old me that right now.

I need that. That's right. Can I get that with a side of booze? What's that? Uso. Just a shot of Uso. Toshi, what's something you think's overrated? Graphical fidelity in video games. Oh boy.

Yeah. No, we don't. Oh my. If you, if you shelled out for a PS5 Pro, there's, there's nothing you can talk about. There's like, there, I don't, I, you't you there's I know that there's nothing you can say to me. That'll be worth listening to. Sure, sure, sure. I'm like $700.

But I think unless you were like, you have to be this close to your TV for you to be able to perceive that like somebody who's standing really close to. Yeah, I'm like, you got to be difficult for the listeners. Because it was really worth it. It was really worth it for that one blade of grass that I got to see over in the distance. Right. This area that's fenced off to the anyway. Now, I just like get that get that shit out.

Because also, too, like video games now cost like three hundred four hundred million dollars to develop. They take like 10 years. It's you know, we don't it's unsustainable. It's unsustainable. Like, is there a thriving indie game scene where like it's just they're like making 16 bit or what, you know, stuff like that? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. No, it's it's it's vibrant. It is vibrant. One thousand resists is really good. Blueprints shout out to the folks behind blueprints like. Yeah, no indie scenes thriving. So, you know, and granted, I'm a triple A guy like, you know, let's not get it twisted. But yeah, man, I don't I don't need to see every bit of sweat like that.

Give me more south of midnight. That like stop motion type shit like the video games. Yeah. Yeah, and somebody like I was just playing sifu Recently and I'm like that shit is so fucking dope and you don't need that shit to be in Fucking 1080 like it's just amazing But I'm going so hard the thing with I think people don't realize too Especially with like the advent of 4K TVs becoming so normal, you have to sit like there are graphs that show you the viewing distance for you to perceive the difference in 4K. If you have a 70 inch 4K TV, you need to be sitting closer than five feet away

from the fucking screen to be able to notice that difference. And so you have to like so for for all those like to your point, all those little things are really perceptual unless you're playing on like fucking iMac screen or some shit from like 10 feet away. But yeah, we're just not gonna see it the same way. So what is the console that it like maxed out as like, this is functionally all you need? maxed out as like, this is functionally all you need. I mean, like I got a PS five, but there are mad people still having a really good time with a PS four.

Yeah. So PS four is enough. Yeah. We can stop focusing on like move upping the fidelity and just be like, let's make the best games that we. I mean, I sit right in front of that TV. Like I am, I am the promise that my mother made about being like sitting too close to the TV to fucking up, like that's me.

Slippery slope miles. Yeah. You're just going to keep going until you're sucked in like a poltergeist. Yeah. So you're in the TV. Get me out of here. I'm doing a reverse ring. You know?

Yeah. Well, Tochi, it's been a pleasure getting to know you. We're going to take a quick break and then we're going to come right back. We're going to get into some news that I think I'm excited to hear from your sci-fi imagination on some of this shit. It's poorly written, bad sci-fi. Jesus Christ. We'll be right back. We're back.

We're now in the post big beautiful Bill universe where we're dealing with the reper big, beautiful bill universe where we're dealing with the repercussions of a bill that is, you know, if Trump left office and, you know, a Democrat entered today, I feel like we would be on undoing the damage from this bill for decades. Yeah. That's not saying much because the Democrats are fucking terrible, but it would take a long time.

It's still like, even if, if somebody, a U S politician knew how bad this was, it would still take a lot of time to undo the damage. So we're cutting a shitload of healthcare benefits. Yeah. Medicaid is going to hell. And Jack, but we get to ramp up the mass deportations. You know, and that's and that has the benefit of affecting multiple industries. So the Republicans have a lot to figure out or maybe they don't have much to figure out

because it seems like based on all the sound bites that have been coming out of Republicans the last few days as it relates to like Medicaid, what do people do? What about employment? It sounds like the plan is kind of like you will toil in the fields because a lot of people are like, well, who will employers exploit for subsubstance wages if America is a white ethno-state secretary of whatever? And here it is. This is a little press conference that Brooke Collins, or Brooke Rollins, the agricultural secretary gave,

that's pretty telling in terms of like, how she sees this lack of Medicaid benefits and also how mass deportations are affecting just labor in general, how they all kind of work together. And it's gonna be pretty, here it is. But I can't underscore enough. There will be no amnesty. The mass deportations continue, but in a strategic way, and we move the workforce towards automation

and 100% American participation, which again, with 34 million people, able-bodied adults on Medicaid, we should be able to do that fairly quickly. Thank you. Sorry, what was she saying there? 34 million able-bodied people on Medicaid. We're gonna kick them off, essentially? What's she saying? She said we can get out.

So if there are the people that have been deported. Yeah. And look, we got like 34 million people that are on Medicaid. Maybe they can work for their benefits. Why is this coming from the agriculture secretary? Because this is a thing where people were talking about like this is affecting agriculture massively, right? Because even Trump was like, I'm talking to some of my favorite people in the hotel industry

and agriculture and they're saying these are the good ones. Even Trump was like, I'm talking to some of my favorite people in the hotel industry and agriculture and they're saying these are the good ones. These are the ones that will work for subsubstance wages. That's unfortunately that where so whose labor will you exploit? It's like, again, again, this is all built on exploited labor. If you're saying even the people who migrate here, the immigrants to this country who then whose labor you exploit for again, subsubstance wages, you're going to offset that by the people who are now desperate because they've lost their health care.

And also the idea that every person that's on Medicare or Medicaid is a person who's able to do the physically strenuous work of working in a field. That's the plan Tell me the people assume they're all lying about what they're able to do and then take them That's a lot of fraud waste a lot of fraud. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of these guys in their 30s In their grandma's basement Sorry, I meant people born in the 1930s that are just fucking us around right now. They're full of shit. I mean, because right now, right, we're driving people out of cities with the cost of living

becoming so high. So then they can realize that the American dream is in the fields or something. I mean, again, this is like the dark version is like, is this the long term plan for like labor camps where people who don't adopt the MAGA mindset go to be contained? Because you're like, well, you know, there's a place where people, you know, able-bodied people can be used since we've pretty much scared the shit out of any other person who would want to come into this country. It's just a very, very odd thing, especially when you consider that the

unemployment rate is at 4% right now. Granted, that doesn't mean people are making a living wage, but do these people seriously think Americans have the will to do that kind of labor? Because every time we've seen this example with immigration crackdowns, all these people are like, I can't get a single person to do the work that people who immigrate to this country do. And I think that's just like, they're completely ignoring, I mean, I would count on Republicans to completely ignore the fact that this country has been and always will be built on the back of exploited labor, whether that's like chattel slavery or, you know, whatever version we're in right now with subsubstance wages for people who like work in agriculture and beyond.

Yeah, I mean, you know what it reminds me? It reminds me of back when the conversation about tariffs was around like reshoring manufacturing and all that jazz. And so, you know, there would be these polls that will go out being like, yeah, no, all these Americans support Bring factories back to the US and then they would ask okay How many of you actually want to work in one of those factories and the percentage would absolutely plummet? Right because they don't want to do those jobs Like I don't know what they think those jobs consist of like they they don't want they don't actually want to do Yeah that work they don't want they don't actually want to do that work.

They don't want to be on the factory floor. And also, this is what's good. They're really infuriating. There's this is also Missouri Senator Eric Schmidt. He's also giving his version about how like technology and the tech sector plus the collapse of society will lead to people working in meat processing plants again. Very weird take, but very similar to what the ag secretary said. Since the beginning of the 20th century, working in meat processing plants has been the dream for many Americans.

That's why there's that aspirational novel, The Jungle. And also that great Guns N' Roses song about the same thing. Yeah. Welcome to the jungle. Yeah. We've got it. I mean, that's where we all want to be. It's a fun time.

We're in the jungle, baby. Like, yes, please. I'm dying in a meat processing facility. This is Schmidt going on with his version and very tortured logic about how jobs are gone and the immigrants are taking them but now you can have theirs? Right the answer here is technology and American workers. The American worker as we've talked about on the show before Maria has had the double whammy of terrible globalist policies that have shipped their jobs overseas to cheap labor in

say China, slave labor in China and then the importation of cheap labor here at home and so that's why you have a lot of people who've struggled to find work. They've been sort of priced out of the market with illegal and low wage workers. And the answer here is opening those opportunities up for American workers. You just saw a food processing plant open up that you had some folks who were arrested and sent away. And then you have... That is so euphemistic.

Yeah. You had some folks who are arrested and sent away. We've already had the Supreme Court okay the disappearing of people to a third country. Okay, anyway, the haunt and these folks just sent away somewhere. We had some people who were given a free, no charge, spontaneous vacation. And it was... Yep. It's a timeshare that they can't get out of but here we go This is a the key goes on to sell this idea

Open up that you know You had some folks who were arrested and sent away and then you had American workers actually sign up and do those jobs It's a myth that Americans don't want to work hard and don't want to do these jobs Of course, they will but automation advancement, innovation is also going to be key for agriculture sector. Okay. I don't even know if that was such a word salad buffet at the end, but my God. Like the thing is like, well, also the immigrants are taking the food processing jobs, which

Americans are getting priced out of. No, you've like this country's been built to like make people docile with like hyper consumption and part of that is exploiting the labor of these people and you think you can just flip the fucking switch somehow to like the beginning of the locomotive and you were like oh I'm getting in on this shit ma I'll be back like it's like it's also like he's he wants his cake and he wants to eat his cake and have it too. He's saying, oh, like we're giving these jobs to Americans, but also automation.

So which is it? Is it Uchiwari or is it one mic? Thank you. Like, is it going to be Americans or is it going to be machines? I knew someone would quote the great poet Sean Carter on his show. That's what we needed. It reminds me of those videos that were going viral in China, showing Americans working in the factories and they were all obese and clearly not built for it.

I'm just wondering, why is China so skeptical of this? Do they have some experience with a great movement where they try to force people to do work that they weren't naturally doing on their own and then finding out. I believe it was called the great leap forward. It's giving Mao? Yeah. It's giving Mao, it's giving pig iron. It's giving great leap forward. Yeah. I just took the name of that at face value, a great leap forward and assumed we're talking, I'm in my mind palace.

I'm picturing Michael Jordan jumping from the free throw line, picturing Michael Powell breaking the long distance, the long jump record. So I'm assuming that's what we have to look forward to. I'm not going to do research beyond that. Maybe AI can do it for me, but not right now. Yeah. Thanks again. Also just politicians revealing at every moment how out of touch

they are with fucking reality. Like this person, even if who knows, he probably, maybe he does believe it. Or maybe he's so used to saying lobbyist, you know, authored bullshit out loud that he doesn't even know what he says anymore. But the idea is like, yeah, there's an American person who used to have a skilled job at a factory whose, you know, whose company decided to outsource that labor to like another country, he's dying to process like pigs and, and, and do all that kind of thing. Like,

you never see those people, but why are none of those people there? Why are none of them lining up? Why, why is it none of those? And not even, yeah. And this isn't to like take a shot at the jobs that these people do, but the, like what, what the momentum has been of American society has been this idea of that you, you can work all of these jobs to have upward mobility. And now that that's, you know, just an absolute mirage now, I think they're just now just saying like, well, I guess the only thing is now you will now fully just be coerced into taking whatever job there is because that's, yeah, we're, we're,

we're pulling up the ladders now. Uh, and I hope you're in the jobs that actually Have been like when people look at the how you know the world that actually exists and not the one not the sci-fi world that's being written by Republicans like the jobs that have actually contributed to The most upward mobility are like nursing and health care work and those are going away Thanks to this because they're going to put so many fucking hospitals out of business. The, the health care, I'm just like trying to wrap my head around like what.

This looks like in 10 years, like it, or just like five years, like what people they they're effectively like kicking millions of people off, like off of their health insurance. There's not going to have health insurance. And I just don't get the rationale for like trying to kill your own voters. It's so that's the, I do feel like everything they've done since they were in office was like, we made it past the finish line of democracy and now voting is no longer a consideration. Like, we don't need anybody to vote for it. Like, he said that in the election and we were like,

that feels like an authoritarian thing to say. But then he has completely governed from that perspective. Like, no awareness of like, what is good for the people who voted for him. I mean, it's probably just going to be what like an extension of what we're seeing now, right? Is like how, I don't know how you, what your process would be as an author of science fiction, but if you're like from right now, right. The people who cannot afford to live in this society are, they have to turn to other, like, you know, their financial recourse is very limited. So sometimes it's extra legal things.

You criminalize poverty. So now you have a group of people to keep in prisons. Now you're criminalizing people who have immigrated to this country and you can disappear them or put them in prisons. They're now doing investigations into people like James Comey or people who have said truths about Donald Trump. You can put them into prisons. And I think that circle just gets wider because then the

oligarchs can continue to profit and be like, automation is doing everything. And then the algorithms can spot the evil doers and we'll just toss them into our private prisons that we also profit from. And like truly no, like it just feels like, yeah, if that's where shit goes, that's where shit goes. Either way, I'll be a fucking in San Trope. Oh, they'll do low cost labor. They'll do real low cost labor once they work for our private prison

industrial complex. Yeah. Told you, what are you looking at? That is how, how would you envision where, where, where we go from here? Not to say please see the future, but like, what, what's your process? Please give these Republicans some ideas. Please. see the future, but like, what, what's your process? Please give these Republicans some ideas.

Please. No, I mean, you know, going off of your, your point of the widening net for imprisonment, I mean, it goes back to like, I think a lot about immediately after the civil war when the South couldn't do like actual slavery. So they just started doing black codes and locking people up for, you know, random vagrancy laws that they would make up, you know, sort of ad hoc. And then they would lease those people out to plantations and to farms and whatnot. And like basically have them as, you know, it's almost a misnomer to call them hired labor because like they

weren't paid and like a part of their condition of their imprisonment was doing field work was doing this manual labor. And I think there's a version of this where, you know, the, the workers that are populating these meat processing plants and these factory floors are people serving jail sentences are people serving prison sentences like that being a thing because like you're, you know, in the event that you run into a labor shortage of like willing workers that'll that'll, you know, jump into these jobs or what have you, you have a whole coercive element in your carceral system to like draw from. I mean, it's like with when I when I found out that like,

Like with when I when I found out that like so many of the firefighters in California were like prisoners that were hired and also these are the same people that once they get out of prison, they can't actually get like a license or certification to become an actual firefighter and get actual firefighter firefighter wages back into firefighter, firefighter wages back into the pool they go. Exactly. So I you know, I think there's a version of I think there's a version of all of this where like, that kind of plays out. Yeah, but yeah, no, it's it's, it's what because also,

too, you're dealing with a, it sounds almost euphemistic to call it this, but this like fertility crisis where like, you know, they're, they're just not going to be enough people. Right. So yeah, no, it's, I think, drawing from populations that you can coerce into the type of labor that you want or need them to do is probably going to be a strategy that I see these people picking up in the future. If they're still like sticking around in the future, if they haven't just like fucked off to San Tropez or some other island by then. Right. Yeah.

They'll still be making money off of it though. Well, like even with the farm thing, right? You'd say, Oh, well, how are you going to make it more attractive? They're suddenly going to raise their wages. They're offering. You know what I mean? That's where it's like, that's where you fucking hit the wall and you're like, they're not.

So the next option is we'll fucking create some people that are desperate enough to take these wages that are on offer. And it's just also to the total ignoring of the hiring practices of these employers is also such a fucking chef's kiss of like just putting blinders on. Like, how dare these people come in and work these jobs? Motherfucker, who's signing their checks? There is no job without the person hiring them without exploiting their labor.

But again, they can't get in. That's another third rail thing. It's like, well, we can't get into the exploitation of labor. We just have to treat that as like a nebulous thing. We just ignore throughout all of this vilification that we see. Parable of the Sower is a sci-fi work that a lot of people point to as being like very prophetic about like what's happening right now. And one of the things that she writes about in that is like company towns where people like just go to live because they have like protection from like the apocalypse that's happening around

them. Right. But it does make sense that like the basically forced company towns is what we're talking about with the private industrial complex. And yeah, I just, that's, it's so fucking grim. Well, I think to that point too, right? You also had other people from like Trump's labor and like, uh, economic cabinet say things that like, well, well, great way to get healthcare is to get a job. Yeah. You know, and that's, that's sort of like the step one to this idea of like your

salvation will come through you toiling for a corporation, for you giving your labor over to this thing in exchange for what used to be thought of as like a human right. It now means that the terms and conditions now apply based on your ability to toil. I will say that one place that they are showing that they're interested in voters is that I feel like they're kicking people off of healthcare who don't have children more, more than people who do, which I think is a recognition that like, well, nobody's going to be that mad if people without children are dying or losing healthcare when they get older, like real Eleanor Rigby shit.

Well, I mean, I think another, another trick they're trying to pull is they're, you know, the tax cuts kick in immediately. The Medicaid and entitlement cuts won't kick in for the most part until after 20, until after the 2026 election. Yeah, the midterms. Yeah. Yeah. So like that, I mean, I think people are still gonna know.

They're still gonna know. Yeah, I mean, it's like, there are rural hospitals that have already begun to shut down because they're already on a knife's edge and not even to do this bill. It's like, no, they are closing. So that is a reality for some people. But again, the ability to connect those dots

because we are the most propagandized population on the planet. North Korea could never. Oh, never. The performances, have you seen the performances of these cabinet officials? They're fucking taking notes. They're going to be like in that fascist actor's studio,

like Max and James Lipton's going to be like, what's your favorite way to actually, you know, ass kiss? How do you get into character, what's your favorite way to actually, you know, ask kiss? Get into character. What's your favorite word? Good. It's like their process, like what they do. That would be so good to just, if we could get just a fly on the wall view of like what their ritual is every morning as they they're just like, how do I, how do I just purge myself of all humanity? They're like in the mirror and they're doing their morning makeup routine and just like, how do I just purge myself of all humanity? They're like in the mirror and they're doing their morning makeup routine and just like,

okay, how do I smear the evil on my forehead and I need to just like blot the maliciousness on my cheeks with a little bit of rouge and then smile. Great idea, sir. Great idea, sir. Great idea, sir. Great idea, sir. Fantastic opinion. That's the kind of clarity that always impresses me about your idea, sir. Great idea, sir. Great idea, sir. Fantastic opinion. That's the kind of clarity that always impresses me about your leadership, sir. Yeah, maybe it's like three hours in the morning looking in the mirror straight, just going, this isn't you, this isn't you, this isn't you,

until tears are just streaming down your face. And like, okay, I'm ready. So a three hour cry to just get all the tears out. Not even that they're, I don't even know why they're saying that because I don't think they're that in touch with their own humanity. But it's some kind of thing where they try and like purge whatever weird void in their soul that opened up from their childhood or adulthood.

They're just like, I can fill it with concrete. So you wake up at three in the morning, like the Manosphere tells you to. Yeah. So, and also so that you are so exhausted that you don't have the ability to push back. So you wake up at 3 a.m. and you just pray, pray for like three hours. But you pray with loud music on so you can't hear anything that's coming back. Yeah. You to slipknot. Yeah. And then a lot of face dunking in ice water, Saratoga Springs, and then, and then I do a full sprint, uh, through an empty parking lot with just a big smile glazed on your face. Tear streaming Joker.

Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. Uh, we'll, we'll be back. We'll figure out one of these stories to talk about. Maybe less depressing. We'll see. We'll be right back.

And we're back. We're back. And business insider out here doing the journalism that we deserve. See, the people thought I was waiting for the new clips album to drop. No, I was waiting for the new business insider profile of some out of touch asshole talking out loud to drop. And we've got it, baby. Uh, this one, let me read the title.

Uh, is I work in AI and now I use it for parenting my five kids, shielding them from it would be a mistake. Oh boy, this sounds good. So yeah, it's about this guy who works in AI specifically has a company called like AI CEO or something. He basically evangelizes the use of AI and the adoption of AI and scares the fuck out of I think small business owners to be like, because you know what's going to happen, man,

if you're not fucking doing this, the people that are, they're going to be making more money because they're going to fucking fire human laborers before you and then you're stuck. Who knows? That's like his whole pitch basically. So it's not just small business owners. No If you're publicly traded, oh boy, because you know, they want to adopt them some ai we're in the era of savings Yeah, that is such a great it to actually tochi. It's efficiency. Actually, not upstairs.

Don't, sorry, don't call it class war. Innovation. It's innovation. It's restructuring. We're restructuring wealth. Yeah. Is how we're restructuring it to move up and to defy gravity. Anyway, so this is, uh, this is how the piece starts.

He basically talks about how it's like, I'm just I'm going to be a better parent because I use AI and I'm going to make my kids smarter quote, as a dad of five kids ranging in age from five to 15, I use AI throughout the day. It's my profession. But it's also a powerful tool for parenting and not only makes me my life easier in some ways, it also helps my kids prepare for the world they're entering. And he goes on to talk about how AI, he's like, it's not going to take your job,

but a person who's using AI will. That's how he's like kind of lightly dialing that fear-mongering back of things. As a guy who likes to bust and works in AI. Yeah, yeah. They're getting a top-notch education from what it sounds like too, because they go to, well, here, let me read this paragraph. I homeschool all five of my kids. I try to follow the ancient Greek model of education where you learn, you do, you teach.

Oh, it's good. Never, never misapplied the lessons of ancient Greece and ancient Rome never misapplied. What happened to the ancient Greeks, by the way? I feel like- I like the Socratic method where I don't know shit. I just ask my kid a bunch of times if they know. I believe that's how, I think that's the Socratic method. Anyway, he said, my kids learn a skill and practice it.

Then they demonstrate their knowledge by teaching it to their siblings. Okay. If the little kids get stuck on a problem, they ask the older kids for help. But if the older kids can't help, they turn to AI. All of the kids have AI on their phones and tablets, and it acts as their tutor. This is most powerful when the kids get very frustrated with a problem, the type of problem that makes them want

to throw their hands up and say, no one can figure this out. In that moment, AI can guide them through solving the problem, showing them that it can be done. No one can figure this out. And I think you go, you talk to Andalei, Andalei, mommy, AI, AI. Oh, I don't know about this. He, I mean, he like uses this like example of like, how do I do a thing to show? Like he also said, like, we kind of fixed our air conditioning unit

and it was a family event. Okay. Like he also said like we kind of fixed our air conditioning unit and it was a family event. Okay, I I I don't know. I'm going back to my childhood With my black father my Japanese immigrant mother if I said I care No one can figure this out. They'd be like you need to learn how to read a fucking book. Yeah Like go to the encyclopedia go to the library You look on the internet like and at least I had that interaction. Like you check out the eye.

Yeah. Well, also, like which of these where find the part in here where he describes AI in a way that doesn't apply to Google before it was broken by AI. You know, like when just like knowing how to use Google and having access to maybe like some scholarly journals. Yeah, I learned how to make a New Jersey fake driver's license on three AI Google. Right. Yeah.

And I knew I had to find a fucking PDF like frame like a fucking vector file that I could throw my picture. I learned about all that shit from just, yeah, in sexually searching the Internet. Yeah. Like also to, you know, another benefit of raising your kids by actually interacting with them and like telling them things and sending them off to do things like, you know, how stuff and whatnot is that there's at least depending on the context, a lot less of a risk of raising like five raging anti Semites. Right.

Yeah. Which is like almost slightly less. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, there's also that benefit to interacting with you. Because like, like one thing, and I don't think, I don't think America, or at least American society has fully reckoned with how the pandemic like, fucked with us socially, and how it just completely, you know, not just for younger generations, but also for older generations just reconfigured how we interact with each other and how difficult it has become for people to like really interact

with each other, where, you know, people these like I was talking with a high school teacher the other day, like over the weekend, he was talking about how it was actually easier to teach his students or for for his students to interact with him through their phones, as opposed to just face to face like conversation and stuff like that. And so the thing about living in the world is that you're actually in the world. Like you're physically like in the world around other people and all of these things. So growing up, living a life is not just about the accumulation of knowledge or

whatever, like you can read as many Wikipedia pages as you want. Like that's not going to make you an actually smarter person. You actually you have to actually learn how to talk to people. Right. Right. Yeah. The piece goes on. Working wild again. This motherfucker is this doesn't want to be a dad. I think it's what they should have called this piece. Like many kids, mine love to ask a million questions at bedtime. Like, Dad, why are you drinking? Why are you going? Where are you leaving?

Where are you going? Why don't you talk to us anymore? Yeah. Yeah. Does mom ever come up with this? No, but the photo of the family It almost looks like the mother could be AI. Yeah Like I was like, hmm. Oh, yeah And the mom is giving Victoria Beckham like yeah, just like great like posh spice face But like she's got something filter anyway, whatever so he goes on I hate when my fucking kids are like, why don't you love me?

He says quote I'll answer the first three to four but why questions then I hand it over to AI The computer system has relentless energy to answer questions from even the most persistent kid and my children usually get tired They get usually get tired out after a few minutes I do the same thing when the kids are arguing. Sometimes I'll ask AI for a second opinion. It leads to what about your partner? Yeah, right. Where where are they? What the where's that? Hold on. So so your partner's a third.

No, no, let me. Honey, I think I might ask chat GPT. Hold on. Yeah, yeah. You know what this reminds me of? I think it also might've been business insider. There was a story that came out a while back, maybe like a, like several months back about this dude who he was evangelizing this like AI platform that could create office assistance for him.

So you could make yourself your own CEO and have a whole team doing stuff for you. And then he ended up sexually harassing one of his AI generated assistants and writing a story about it. He was like, this is one of the services that it provides. It's you can sexually harass it essentially without being without harming somebody. The headline was like, I think I made an HR boo boo or something like that. Yes.

He's like, yeah, I made an HR boo boo when I made this AI assistant. Dumb thing. Yo dog. I should have known when I was doing the creative player mode. I shouldn't have set the yeeks to that. Oh God. If you'd seen her, I shouldn't have sent the yeeks to that. Oh God. If you'd seen her, I mean, she was dragging a wagon, man. Like you wouldn't, mm, mm.

They're like, what is this? Batman could not have beaten that confession out of me. Right, yeah, right. Seriously. And he's like, oh, this is an interesting wrinkle that I can talk to people about. But I mean, kind of smart marketing because every CEO who they're trying to pitch to

has had problems accidentally. Sexually, I mean, I'm not saying. Sexually, I mean, I'm not saying. Caught jacking off on a Zoom call and he's got tube in it, CNN did it. Caught tube in on the internet. So, you know, what if there was a personal assistant that you could sexually harass to your heart's content?

This is like when like people like sex offenders are like, well, this is why like I need this like child robot. Cause like, then I don't do stuff in real in the real world. You're like, hold on. That's not the issue is that you need this robot fool. You need to fucking do some soul searching. There's another line in this that just shakes me to my core.

Cause again, we've all been kids who ask our parents questions. Like why? Remember one of the first things. Anyway, this said, in our house, have you asked AI for assistance is a common refrain. So that's how it can terrible. That's your relationship to your children is like, did you?

Why are you bothering me with this mess? Did you ask yourself? Yeah. And then they're mimicking that behavior when somebody's you know, like, this is like, yeah, everything downstream of this is so terrible. But this guy's like, I'm just he's again rationalized this as if he's doing them a favor when in fact, he's so selfish and just so myopic in his view of like what A.I. is that he's like, oh, this is that. And this I'm just preparing them for a cold world where their dads will ignore them

and be like, why are you fucking asking me shit? It's going to be wild when the A.I. bubble bursts and all the money goes to some other, you know, tech fatter internet fatter or whatever. And all these people are left with these fucking dysfunctional relationships with these kids that don't know how to talk to them anymore because they've been telling them to consult their phones for their entire lives. Yeah, it's my God.

I was like, my favorite movie that have to be the first 20 minutes of multiplicity. I didn't, I didn't see any of the part where there's consequences to him creating a bunch of different versions of himself and parenting. The later ones kind of get wonky. We're the one that just says tough over and over. Didn't watch that. I just, I like the idea. Let's, let's keep it moving.

Yeah. It's it it moving. Yeah. It's, it totally writes at like the, I have a seven year old and a nine year old and I, they're, they ask a lot of questions and their questions like make me see things new, like with fresh eyes. And I'm like, that is a thing that I had forgotten was really interesting. And now you're like, and I get curious with them and just the idea that he's like, and once I throw, once I kick it over to AI,

they, they tuck her out real quick. That might mean that like the AI is doing a bad job. He's like, and the AI is great because it extinguishes their curiosity real quick. 100%. And just the way we learn, right? Like, there's so many college students that they've interviewed who used AI to get through college and they're like, well, I don't remember a single fucking thing because all my task was merely just

figuring out the prompts to then copy and paste or slightly punch up for an assignment. I didn't retain the information because my relationship to the information is completely different. And like, I'm just thinking of like, as I, as a kid, I had all these like kids all Manac books that were just filled with fucking dumb facts and shit. And like weird, like it had everything from like what all the chevrons meant on like an army person's uniform or like, you know, how a tornado comes together and I would pour over these books because I was like, this is fucking cool to me.

And it was like, it was like made for kids or whatever. Yeah, but I'm just thinking of like that process for me. I I internalized or remembered so much of it because it felt like I could find something I could connect the dots within these like set of books that I had. And you when you just reduce it down to just being like, well, did you ask the magic question to the thing and what was the answer gave you? Okay, well, then that's reality is like just such a fucking weird way to, you know, accumulate these like life experiences that end up making you a podcaster, you know, This like, optimize everything in your life mindset, right? Where everything is all about instrumentality and like,

how can I get to the next stage, get to the next stage, get to the next stage where I will be infinitely rich, right? But like, sometimes, you know, the way through life is to learn that the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. Right. Right. And like enjoy that and sit in the curiosity around that and not just always kick things forward to, you know, some pyramid scheme of like knowledge and earning capacity where like, and then I'm going to turn that into an ability to optimize for this so that I can get richer. And so my kids can get richer. And now I've got a powerhouse of capitalism working at home instead of being like, I don't know, man,

maybe like enjoy spending time with your kids and like learn stuff from them. Right. It's wild to automate parenthood. Yeah, just completely cut out of that. Yeah. But I think that's just an escalation for I think and it's also a reflection on how like Exhausted people are working parents can be and I can totally see how intoxicating that the like idea of Because I remember when like people had Alexis in their home everyone's like dude, it's great

We asked the Alexa stuff, but it was even then it was a thing that a parent would do with a kid. Rather than be like, I don't know, ask the fucking cone in the kitchen. Right. Like that's just a fucking weird interaction to have. And I think, yeah, like, I think you bring this up Jack all the time about how evolutionarily speaking, like we've just in the last 30 years, we've just entered this space that's like accelerated at such a pace that the previous millennia that have preceded it, like it just dwarfs in

comparison. And we're suddenly like our hunter gatherer brain is like, I'm the fucking ask the cone if what's gravity. Like it's just, yeah, it's so, like this adds a layer on top where it's like, I'm, my dad is like subtly mad at me. If I don't ask the cone, it's like, fuck man. Oh, like, so that sends me in a direction where like my instinct is to just like avoid emotionally connecting with a person and instead just optimize my ability to use AI to find the information.

Though it's like, oh man, the way to get dad to like me is to ask the phone things. Yeah. Right. Which is wild. This would be fucked up. We're talking about this in an, in an ideal world where AI actually works. And like, Ray Tochi, as you brought up the first place, we just have the person who is the icon of tech smart guy in Elon Musk release an AI chat bot on his company that he spent $44 billion on

that immediately just went Mecca Hitler on, on the world. Like that, that is where we're at with this. And this guy is like, yeah. So, I mean, it's a perfect solution. Yeah. I'd let that around my kids. Yeah. What?

Jesus. Well, uh, Tochi, it's been such a pleasure having you on the Daily Zike. I just, where can people, uh, find you, follow you, read you, having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. Oh, likewise. Where can people find you, follow you, read you, all that good stuff? Uh, y'all can find me on bluesky at Tochi True Story. Y'all can find me on the gram at Tray64. That is T-R-E-I-Z-E-6-4. I also am a substack degenerate.

You can find me at tochonyabuchi.substack.com, my website tochonyabuchi.com, and I have two books out this year. The first, Harmattan Season, is a fantasy noir that dropped in May, available everywhere books are sold. And I have an upcoming essay collection, Race Book, A Personal History of the Internet, out on October 21st, 2025.

Amazing. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Oh my goodness. So I'm about to, so this might be cheating a little bit, but I know I'm going to enjoy it because I enjoyed the first part of it so much. I'm about to jump into Andor season two late, but like I am super, super, super hype. Like I just, Tony Gilroy is the goat. I've loved him ever since Michael Clayton.

Shout out to Michael Clayton. I, yeah, no, I can't wait. I cannot wait. We reference Michael Clayton a lot on this podcast. Great assassination. See, that's my tribe. Great assassination scene in Andor. Yeah.

They just have that scene like, wait, this is the Michael Clayton assassination scene. With our worst clothes on. Get the socks off, get the socks off. Get the socks back on. Get the socks back on, yeah. We literally referenced it on yesterday's episode. Superfuser Victor is talking about it. That shit is so chilling though.

You literally made a reference yesterday. Yeah. It's so chilling. Oh my God. It's because it's so fucking clinical. It really is. And it also, like I feel like we all suspect that's happening behind the scenes, right?

Like corporate corporations being like, this guy, we have one thing standing in the way of our shareholders getting millions and millions of dollars richer. Like something needs to be done. Yeah. You know, well, cause it's also that kind of thing. Like me as like an action movie brained, like weed smoking college. Should be like, yeah, dude, exactly, bro.

They're going to come in so quick, dude. And you're not going to fucking know, bro. And they make it look like an accident. That's how it all happens. Dude. That's right. Yep. Yep.

Yep. Yep. All right. Well, yeah. Yep. Yep. All right Well, yeah, I've also heard great things about and or I need to get everything first season Yes, and loved it some of the best TV I've ever seen and yeah, and I've seen a lot of TV Jack Watch it with your kids. They like Star Wars. You better get him in on that Feel like feel like there might be too much death. I tried I tried I feel like, I feel like there might be too much death.

I tried, I tried Jurassic Park with them on the recommendation of a parent who had talked it over with chat GPT. Oh, I think we're ready for Jurassic Park. They made it like one minute in and we're like, did that guy just die? No, no, no, he was just dancing. That's why he got up off the ground like that. Yeah. That's ketchup baby got up off the ground like that. Yeah. That's ketchup, baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

My nine year old literally reprimanded me. He was like, why would you think this is okay for me? I blame chat GPT. You waste man. But yeah, I, as soon as they're old enough, we're going to, we're going to pull out. Fine. Just read them a story about like Tucson, Lovature or something like that. Yeah. And get them into like, this is why, this is why Haiti is still suffering for a man.

Give them at least some flavor of them. Yeah. Just a little background. If you don't have your kids calling you comrade by like age five. Yeah. I don't know what you're doing. I'm fucked up. Yeah, I'm fucking up.

Miles, where can people find you? Is their work in media you've been enjoying? Yeah, you find me everywhere at miles of gray, including well, I say PlayStation Network, but I got that repetition injury. Okay, because the division two expansion for a game I've been playing for seven years came out. And I have to stop. And shout out to somebody on blue sky who are I think babies Instagram who said they were also feeling the repetition injury because you had a sewing injury exactly why sewing injury, the repetition of doing why do the why do the things we love not give us mutant strength in that one very specific way that just gets stronger and faster with the needle exactly. Watch this shit, watch this shit, I'm fucking no look. Exactly, that's how I know there is no God. Now let's see a couple posts I like. The first one is from at Matt Zoller sites.beesky.social and it's a photo of like a parking kiosk display. It says, please pay displayed amount, five USD.

Change is possible. And they put, I appreciate the optimism of this parking validation machine. Change is possible. And also Dr. Eric Farmer posted on blue sky, You shape the optimism of this parking validation machine. Change is possible. Change is possible. Also, Dr. Eric Farmer posted on Blue Sky, if the DOJ really has nothing on Epstein, why was he in prison?

And why was Ghislaine Maxwell convicted and sentenced more harshly than some murderers and insurrectionists? It is so weird. I mean, I'm sure there's a logical explanation for all of this. I mean, maybe there's no client list, but who's Prince Andrew? What is that? Okay, does he have a homie? An ops list?

Is that what it is? Okay, fine. Whatever you're saying. Whatever you say. Work of media. I've been enjoying Ben Collins just tweeted from the Onion. He's the head of the Onion. It only Tuesday yesterday which one of my favorite onion headlines that after running a thousand errands

working hours of overtime being stuck in seemingly endless gridlock traffic commuting to and from their jobs millions of Americans were disheartened to learn that it was in fact only Tuesday good follow on Blue Sky. You can find me on Twitter at jack underscore O'Brien, blue sky at jack OB the number one. You can find us on Twitter on blue sky at daily zeitgeist. We're at the daily zeitgeist on Instagram. You can go to the episode description wherever you're listening to this. And there you will find the footnote.

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