The Daily Zeitgeist - I'm Not Sleeping… I'm MediTrending 5/16: Dating App AI, Samsung Ad, Trump Meditation, Beniffer Split?, David Copperfield

Episode Date: May 16, 2024

In this edition of I'm Not Sleeping… I'm MediTrending, Jack and Miles discuss dating apps scamming again (this time with AI), Samsung's iPad ad clapback, Trump's journey towards enlightenment during his hush money trial, Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez splitting up?, the allegations against David Copperfield and much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I ain't sleeping. What are you talking about? You're sleeping. I'm not farting either, man. Oh, wow. You're audibly farting, bro. You're audibly farting either, man. What are you talking about, bro? Oh, wow. You're audibly farting, bro. You're audibly farting, dude. You woke yourself up with a fart and then ran out of the room.

I'm doing ventriloquism. I'm practicing my ventriloquism. All right, man. Nobody talks out their butt like this. That's what you're doing. I am Jack. That is Miles. And he's back. And he's back. he's back and he's back yeah back from east coast sojourn yeah back back in the saddle and here are some things that are trending

dating apps there's this i don't know is it like a ted talk it was like a panel of some sort where a bump where the bumble founder was like you thought just ai companies were full of shit well yeah we can be full of shit about ai also it was at a bloomberg tech convention never mind everything that happens at a place like that's gotta be yeah yeah bloomberg tech that's where the fucking It's where the greatest minds come together. But this one, specifically, people were talking about Bumble founder Whitney Wolf-Herd and her really interesting take. I'm like, actually, AI is going to be sick for dating apps. Spoiler alert, I don't think it's going to be. But anyway, let's let her tell it.

You mean a pack? Wolf-Herd? They're not called a herd. I know. I was thinking of a joke about that. I was like, I don't know where to go with it, but that was better. Our focus with AI is to help create more healthy and equitable relationships. And that also starts with yourself. How can we actually

teach you how to date? How can we help you show up in a better way? Give me an example. Okay, so for example, you could in the near future be talking to your AI dating concierge, and you could share your insecurities. I just came out of a breakup. I have commitment issues. And it could help you train yourself into a better way of thinking about yourself, and then it could give you productive tips for communicating with other people just to pause that there i believe you're describing therapy right just but ai is the future like this is some new shit you'll share with your ai concierge your insecurities and then the concierge will share with you better strategies and tools to communicate. All right, let me finish.

I'm sorry, Whitney. Please finish your idea. If you want to get really out there, there is a world where your dating concierge could go and date for you with other dating concierge. No, no. No, they're laughing. Talk to 600 people. No, no, no. Stop laughing.

Go for you. These are the three people you really ought to meet. Oh, wow. Wow. It'll scan all of sanford that sounds so fucking cool actually um dating concierge scan all of this gigantic city and i guess there's of those you're saying whatever look all that there are going to be three people that fit my needs and bumble is gonna know what my needs are yeah i mean there's already plenty of debate acknowledgement of how algorithms are not infallible and in most cases perpetuate some kind of bias whether it's like racial or socioeconomic bias like they're not there's they're far from fucking perfect and we already live in a world where most people don't look past their own biases and the idea that ai will stream things is just fucking goofy as hell yeah like based on my understanding of like how algorithms generally like sort things by preference there's going to be like five people

who are like overwhelmed by 1 000 incoming requests right like all internet like uh attention gets sorted to like these massive like super powered uh you know people who who get like algorithmic attention and yeah so then they'll just counteract that by arbitrarily spreading it out in a way that is in no way better than just using your eyes and brain to see if someone is interesting to you right it's just it's so interesting that these people just anybody with like founder in their name or you know like they have to say something about ai and it can't be i think this shit is fucking for the birds it's got to be like it'll actually help and look i get that like an intelligent quote assistant that like gets you that will be able to comb through a bunch of profiles like that maybe there's an appeal to something like that but that's sort of like again it's only

going to narrow the kind of people that you're shown um and it's just going to increase like some form of discrimination based on data like income and i look i'm i've never used a dating app like i know a lot of the shits came out in 2012 i was still doing irl shit till i met her majesty so i'm not gonna act like i know how to use them but as someone that has plenty of experience irl dating i can tell you that the best relationships have been the ones where you aren't just fucking your mirror image and you need someone that like challenges you and makes you look at the world in new ways like where you've been like you know honestly on paper i would maybe not be dating this person um and there's it's because they some people inspire growth in us i'm not sure how that does that but yeah tell it tell that tell the people that bumble

ai what your deepest insecurities are so then they can use that for more marketing shit. Probably. I actually see a future where we don't even bother dating. We're just like doing our arranged marriages based on arrangements made by our algorithmic, uh, AI, you know, dating concierges and they set up the wedding. Um,

we don't have to do anything. We're just like wheeled in by our algorithmic, uh, wheelchair buddies who take us around in our matrix battery pods yeah and we just like wake up and we're like oh i'm i'm married i'm at my wedding yeah i mean it says a lot too just like when do you see ideas like this be thrown around seriously because clearly they're they're looking at data i mean like i think people would like love it if we took all this work out of it for them or maybe i get like i mean i know people who are crushing the apps constantly and have had not great results i know people who have been

married based off of someone they met like on an app but yeah yeah it's uh it's tough it's tough yeah it's not a lot of work. No doubt there are probably ways that programming can be used to cut down or do a better job of sorting through it for you. But there's a part of the world that are just so intrigued by this idea of, and AI is going to come and be like people, but they're not people, so we can just make them do all the work for us. Right, yeah. And that work includes fucking me. Um,

Kevin Bruce, uh, the New York times reporter, one of our favorites, he wrote that thing where like the being like, not even like one of the good, uh, chat,

uh, buddies, like when, you know, chat, chat. Yeah. I don't think it was like a chat GPT level.

I think it was a less advanced version but he was like oh my god this thing wants me to leave my wife like it's like really yeah so that guy wrote a thing new york times was like immediately like well we got to get his take on the new um her chat gpt like update where they just gave chat gpt scarlett johansson's voice and like had it start using filler words so chat gpt will now be able to say things like yeah well that's an interesting question actually like um and you're like oh my god i think i'm gonna like i'm gonna have sex with her hair yeah um but he wrote this review of the announcement where he was like it's really wild to me like the people at chat gpt talk to chat gpt like it's a person in this promotional video oh my god just complete gullibility it's a ruse everybody's every exactly everybody's approaching it like

okay i guess we're i guess this is the future now it's like you're watching an ad, dude. Are you for real? Yeah, he was unable to... Yeah, he's like, in this ad, the people behave the way that they want us to believe that we're going to behave with this product. I got another spoiler for you, Ruz. Don't go to Subway because the sandwiches don't look like how they do on the ads outside the store or any fast food place thing that was kind of amazing to me they were like so excited about the deal that they were like singing this five five like it was almost like their spirit was taken over by the you know value of this deal god i'm just gonna pivot to doing like these like really ignorant like

reviews of tech stuff to be like oh my gosh dude like i can't believe like it's like a person you know what i mean exactly just oh it's my new best friend yeah i replaced my wife with this thing yeah um some people are saying that like samsung dunked on Apple with like a response to the crush commercial where like Apple crushed all the paint and stuff. And then like the iPad was left tools of the artist, Jack. Yes. That's what it was. Yeah.

So, uh, Samsung came back and like, just had a artist that like walk through the rubble, the remains following the Crush commercial and pick up a broken guitar and start playing it and

it's very creative and cool. You can just feel how creative it is. You can feel how creative it is. Just strumming a couple chords. I mean, we're in the era of like just uh like clapping back to on this scale like used to it used to be like a twitter account would be like oh can you believe this thing but now we're like doing full-on like send-ups with just fully produced commercials i mean i i'm sure like with samsung too like they're obviously competing with apple to get more market share.

So this probably felt like the thing. And I'm like, yeah, okay, sure. I mean, I guess, though, too, since Apple actually apologized for that earlier ad, they're like, oh, we really got to go for the throw. Yeah, it's technically an L for sure. And don't get me wrong. I mean, I used to write some pretty violent slash raunchy slash fic about the Mac versus PC commercials. Start on Hodgman. But,

um, so, I mean, I, I have a rooting interest here, um, and that they just like get it over with and fuck each other already. Yeah.

But I like that. Yeah. The, the ad ended with like the samsung logo and just said creativity cannot be crushed hell yeah dude i think it's like a miscalculation of the outrage that people were directing at the ad it's not like everyone was like and now i'm open to another brand it's like no people who are into apple shit are not going to be turned off by the fucking, the shittiness of the ad. Um, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. But I think, Hey, here we are. Here we are. Try. Hey, Samsung, let me see. Let me try it out. Go into marketing. Yeah.

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And meditation, meditation. Oh. And meditation is on everyone's mind for the first time in mega circles. This is the first they've heard of it. Yeah, for real. Jesse Waters, Still Waters Run Deep, mega circles uh this is the first they've heard of it but um yeah for real jesse waters still waters run deep as uh my nickname for him because he we we do we are in a meditation circle together oh wow he's he's just like a really deep spirit a really old soul you know it's just about being

still really when you really think about it that's that's how you do this but yeah look there the hush money trial is still going on and i'm like wake me up when there's jail money yeah if there ain't jail trying to make that young money thing work and i've tried it on like three different things to no avail yeah yeah well look keep trying man we're gonna keep going it's gonna keep it push it beyond the edge um yeah so the the latest from the hush money trial, again, Michael Cohen is on the stand, whatever. There's nothing really new to add to this. But the one part that is interesting is how the like the reports of how Donald Trump is falling asleep at the trial is like the right is constantly trying to maneuver around that and be like, no, you're fucking lying. Or now we have our latest defense. And this is jesse waters dude he's fucking meditating although he says it with his shit-eating grin uh but then it sounds like it gets more seriously as he keeps talking about it

and the other woman i forget who it was no the guy that said the guy's sleeping he's meditating greg yes he's in a meditative state and when you're when you're defensive about something you avoid something trump's not defensive of being old and tired he can shut his eyes and not feel bad about it like sleepy joe what he said his eyes and not feel bad about it he's not okay so he's just like an alpha male who like is not afraid of falling asleep. Right. Yeah. Oh, right.

Because he's so fucking tough that he doesn't have to worry about allegations of being a sleepy boy. Yeah. Well, he's so full of vitality and Adderall that he doesn't have to even worry about that shit. Yeah. The idea of Trump, like Trump thinks exercise is like, you know, weak.

He's like, why would you do that? Yeah. I'm genetically perfect. Cause in his, yeah. And in his world, his mind,

if you don't have to do anything to improve yourself, it's because you're perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Or the idea that he has even like ever tried to meditate or thought about meditating is amazing to me i love that they're going to to those lengths to justify right um his behavior the debates are probably going to be biden and trump arguing about who's more sleepy i feel like is what this is like i don't hell i don't need sleep jack like okay

sure and he's like i'm meditating that's what i've actually been doing and he's so sleepy over there look at him look at him he just fell asleep and then he did fall asleep but then you cut back to trump and he's asleep he's asleep he's like no i'm not you're asleep and he's like yeah oh so anyways i think this is a good strategy i think it will will work well with the mega folks uh he's in a deep meditative state well they've already even like taken the power back from the diapers thing you know what i mean where everyone's like real men wear diapers that's like the new right wing thing and like there's like people now wearing diapers outside like the courthouse or at rallies and like yeah man real men it's like sure real men are fascists it's pretty we're pretty close to that one like just i'm fully emblazoned on yeah i think we're there i think real men are fascist is essentially the republican yeah yeah but we're

gonna but like they're gonna just do it like the the the quiet part on a t-shirt and flags soon yeah yeah it is kind of weird uh brian the editor is pointing out it's weird that it seems like the argument is coming down to who's more woke at this point between trump and i'm more awake i know he's like i'm actually the wokest ever most awoke so take that think about that bitch um benifer no no not my benifer not my dude not my benifer yes your benifer jack afleck and jen lopez are uh might be sleeping in separate rooms at this secret homes no i said see from i think i said see from home separate home see from home from homes joel see from homes they're in separate homes apparently he's in some house in brentwood that the paps have been catching him leaving and

going to at night um and yeah this is just adding to the the paps have been catching him leaving and going to at night um and yeah this is just adding to the speculation where people have been saying like yeah it sounds like they are done um I don't know I mean it seemed like just from like that write-up in the that Vanity Fair article about her art film when like a lot of the it sounded like a lot of the time Ben Affleck was telling her or giving her advice was basically him saying like don't do it yeah um and i'm sure it's much more than that but uh yeah he's just yeah they've apparently the last time they were seen together was in march damn that's a long time i was gonna say you know like sometimes my wife makes me sleep in the yard uh that's yeah that's normal like marriage stuff exactly no big deal but uh since march i mean the that's longer than my long

the longest time that she's uh put the don't look at me ban in place yeah yeah i don't know god i was really rooting for them i really was and now all of this is just it's i. I don't know. God, I was really rooting for them. I really was. And now all of this is just, it's, I mean, I don't know if I can deal with more. Can we believe in anything anymore? No. And that's why maybe Ben and Jen should have just trusted the algorithms and seen who the AI would have put them with. And then you would know that ben affleck and i would be together eating dunkin smoking i do uh i do think that a sign of a confident healthy marriage is

that you don't have to see each other for months at a time or stay live in the same house home yeah that's how solid we are dude i don't even dude i don't even know her fucking phone number anymore yeah that's how fucking solid meditative state as a relationship the relationship is not dead it is in a prolonged deep deep meditative state is there i don't even i guess the other thing too is when i see these things about like oh this couple's like breaking up i think we're just we're really fully moving into that era like we don't give a shit man who me for yourself like i don't me i care couldn't be me miles yeah i don't know i'm just my man look i love was dead the second I heard Harlan Crowe and Clarence Thomas weren't actually an item. We're not, homies.

It is wild, though. I mean, this is something that we talked about in the very early days of the podcast and haven't for a while, but when we started doing the podcast in 2017, we had a segment called Bloid Watch, where we looked at the cover of

like newspaper tabloids under the theory that like these are still things that people are like that is going into people's brains every day just through the headlines like I can't walk past those without reading that shit but at that time

there was still headlines about like Ben or no Brad Pitt, as my dad calls him. Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston like being secretly back together. Like right. Years after they had broken up, divorced, like had other marriages. Those marriages are broken up. Still not back together but like there's just a such a deep desire to fucking believe in love and like specific famous relationships yeah um i kind of i almost admire

you know yeah i look i get it it's i i'm shipping athletes with teams every day so look to each we're all living in some version of our fantasy world. These are the only relationships that I do believe would be affected by like, you know, I'm sure there are agents who are trying to use AI and to like figure out who the best publicist are like. Yeah, like they're being like, look, I've been talking to so-and-so's publicist.

We crunched some numbers. If you guys kiss in public, you're going to get like three movies. Yeah. So think about it. Yeah. Hey, speaking of segments from early in the podcast,

uh, men, Ghazi is back, uh, because David Copperfield is there. There's a number of women bringing allegations against him from, uh, spanning from the late 80s to 2014.

In some cases, sexual misconduct, inappropriate behavior and underage women or underage. Yeah. Like people under the age of 18. They call those children. I think children is what we say. Yeah. Two of them were 15 at the time. What the fuck? Wasn wasn't it didn't he

wasn't this didn't this kind of come out like earlier and it was one of those things he was like one of the people who was on those like flight logs i think or like in the documents there there was like a lot of shit that was like oh weird like there's there's a lot of smoke coming off of that man yeah um and and now it seems like there's more detailed allegations coming what's that even at stake for him is he even like performing like does david copperfield have like a vegas show i feel like that was such a fucking 80s and 90s thing of like david copperfield magic and now it's like david copperfield accused sex pervert um yeah i don't know um he was a like do you remember the thing where he went through the great wall of china like it was a giant tv event i don't know if it just

it was probably because i think it was based on where i was living when i watched it i think you would have been two at the time that it happened okay i think it happened like 88 or so i would have been four four okay and i do remember actually he like set up this like there's like a big curtain i remember being so underwhelmed. It was on one of the networks, I think. But it was treated like this massive event. Oh, he walks through the Great Wall. Walks through the Great Wall of China. But I was like, oh shit,

you're going to get to see a man walk through a wall? And then he goes behind a curtain and you just see his shadow kind of go. It makes it look like it was one of the worst magic tricks that i've ever like seen televised you know yeah just like well there's a thousand ways you could have done that full like what are you talking about there's a lot like move the statue of liberty at one point i think i'm gonna say move the statute of limitations jesus christ he's done it all statute of limitations done it all walking

through the great wall yeah i mean anyways a lot of allegations happening here all of this alleged but yeah yeah i i feel like magicians just you're like yeah maybe don't. I don't see much. Not all magicians, Miles. This guy. But his look is so greasy. You know? Like from the beginning. He's like the kind of person. Don't talk to that dude.

He has like piece of shit hair. Yeah. He has like. If you had him come into a room and tell me he was Richard Marx. I would be like, yep. Yeah, that makes sense. sense right and that would be maybe his greatest magic trick of all convincing the world that he's richard marx yeah well yeah i mean he looks like a lot of other people to me yeah and i guess this was like he was doing some kind of like like like pageant judging too. That's always like, yeah,

like the biggest fucking red flag. And like Trump was also involved and like Epstein fight logs. Yep. There's enough there. Enough there. Enough there to say that we're keeping an eye on it. Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. All right. Those are some of the things that are trending on this Thursday afternoon. We are back tomorrow with a whole last episode of the show. Yep. Until then, be kind to each other. Be kind to yourselves. Get the vaccine.

Don't do nothing about white supremacy. And we will talk to you all tomorrow. Bye. Bye. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. We'll be right back. Caitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Caitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. I'm Jermaine Jackson Gadsden.

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