The Daily Zeitgeist - I’m Sorry Guy Fieri, Viral Loads 5.13.20

Episode Date: May 13, 2020

In episode 629, Jack, Miles, and Jamie are joined by Smart Mouth's Katherine Spiers to discuss the viral load of coronavirus, Trump ignoring coronavirus polls, haters preferring Biden, how a second wave of coronavirus cases could fuel more economic depression, pandemics changing us forever, the Guy Fieri renaissance, and more!FOOTNOTES: The Risks - Know Them - Avoid Them Two big warning signs for Trump in the new coronavirus poll — signs he doesn’t seem to want to see Many governors win bipartisan support for handling of pandemic, but some Republicans face blowback over reopening efforts Trump is getting trounced among a crucial constituency: The haters A 2nd wave of US virus cases will plunge the economy into a depression, Moody's economist says Pandemics Leave Us Forever Altered We’ll say it again: Guy Fieri is good WATCH: Zero 7 - Somersault (Official Video) ft. Sia Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say officially off the top, fuck the Koch brothers and fuck Fox News. It's Wednesday, May 13th, 2020. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. In my house, I'm quarantined.

Wasting time, took my pants off. Keep your distance, now you back up six feet. Just a man and his will to survive. So many deaths, it happened so fast Trump should have listened to Fauci Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past You must fight just to keep them alive We thank healthcare workers're on the front line rising up to the challenge of

this virus if we all keep our distance then we'll all be all right and we all want to say thank you Thank you to healthcare workers. All right. That was courtesy of Doug E. Fresh. And I think I'm going to take that again, actually. No, I'm just joking. I'm just going to do a tight 45 up top of me singing. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! That was a slide whistle part from D. Light's Move Is In.

The Heart, one of my favorite albums. I remember I had to beg my dad to buy this tape because I liked the song on the radio so much, and he obliged me. And that was one of the first albums I can remember asking an adult to be like, we need this album. Can you please have this in the house, please? Thank you.

And I remember you saying that you realized early on that the groove was in the heart, that that's where it was located. Yeah. It was a pretty important moment. When that came out, you were like, whoa. And if I could add uh now more than ever i think the groove is in the heart yeah have you noticed ever jamie like i'm i'm about i and i challenge zeitgang go to the youtube channels of all these companies that have quarantine

commercials because they're typically uploading them because i feel like now more than ever and in these times is actually one we did a story on this but like almost comedically an absolute requirement to these commercials yeah it's kind of shocking because it's like you have to imagine that some of these marketing employees have seen how much people are making fun of it but uh no one has found an alternative to words to amid either amid is still every headlining involves amid amidst anyway i digress miles i don't know about you but i'm thrilled to be joined by our co-host jamie loftus in the choir there is a banker with a motor car and little children laugh on Zoom behind his back. And the banker never wears a mask in the quarantine. Very strange.

COVID-19 is in my ears and in my eyes. Do, do, do, do. There, TV on mute. Turn on the Zite. I drink some bleach while high. That was sent to me on Instagram by Jack C. I love it. Thank you, Jack C.

That was very good. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our fourth seat by a returning guest, one of our faves. is katherine spires hi hi thank you so much if i had known this had turned into a karaoke show though i would not have come on i know you said this last time but yeah you keep coming back so i don't know yeah in a way you look unprepared now katherine what What's your song? Go. I am unprepared.

I do not sing. I'm a lifetime of unpreparedness for singing in front of other people. Are you also, do you do karaoke? We talked about this yesterday's episode because Jack has not sang ever at karaoke. We found out. I never sang karaoke. I do not do karaoke. I have deep issues around singing in public.

Also, interestingly, pre-pandemic about a year ago a friend told me that he went to a karaoke birthday party he was the only person who did not sing he was the only person who did not get the stomach flow whoa the mic had the flu yeah yeah holy shit yeah that is amateur an idiot. You always bring your own mic. Powerful. You always bring your own mic. That's right. Clown that kid. I do think there should be a kibosh on karaoke shaming the person who doesn't want to do

karaoke, especially if you don't know many people that you're with. Thank you. I've not done karaoke when it's not a group of people I know very well, and people give you such shit about it. They do. You know what's funny? I've gone to when I was first dating Her Majesty, like she's like, oh, so-and-so is having a karaoke party, K-Town.

I'm like, okay, fine. I like karaoke. But when the vibe is off, I'm like, you know, I'm brand new to this group. I don't know anything. And somebody was like, hey, why don't you sing? I'm like, give me this microphone. And I did Montel. And then everybody was like, whoa.

He's a keeper. He's a keeper, right? Wow. And he must be an only child based on these histrionics. I think the other thing, though, too, is like, yeah, don't shame. It's like that's not honestly the people who like the karaoke anyway. They're fine with people not singing because then there's I'm sure you've been around people who use it, use a karaoke party to be like, I used to sing in the chorus in high school. I was. And you're like, OK, like, I used to sing in the chorus in high school. Oh, yeah.

And you're like, okay. Oh, we got a high school soprano in the mix. If you do Disney songs, you fuck the party up. I'm sorry, that's my rule on karaoke. You fuck the party up with Disney tracks. I have a friend who was really good at one song, Mack the Knife. I think I've told this story before.

And he would go and like perform it towards the beginning of like a karaoke party and everyone would be like really into it and then like a couple songs later he would get up again and perform the same song again and then like people would get really weirded out but uh it was really good that it'd be great if like that's like a great subtle way to convince people they're losing their minds like they're like i didn't just sing that i love though that like if he builds on each performance as if he's like non all right now they did the second time i'm gonna add a little bit to this one because that first one was whack and then so they're

seeing like every time he does it the performance gets more in depth it's almost a great it's more unnerving if he does it almost like he's an animatronic and like every little vocal flourish and like performance flourish is exactly the same they're like what the fuck what is happening uh anyways katherine you you and me can continue to avoid singing karaoke together. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. We're going to look at viral load, what that means, how people are actually getting sick, mostly indoors and from breathing each other's air. We're going to talk about how people are feeling about their governors, like how the governors are doing

overall, which across the board, it's been pretty strong, but not all responses have been rated the same. So we'll talk about that because I feel like there's been a little bit of a media bubble where we think that most Americans are ready to get back to work because we're seeing all those protests and stuff. And that's a very small, small minority of people. We're going to talk about some polling that suggests that haters, people who hate both Biden and Trump, prefer Biden, which is kind of a weird statistic, but it's kind of what won Trump the 2016 election. We're going to talk about the fact that there are a lot of pandemics in American history where we just erased the pandemic from our memory so we'll talk about that we'll talk about nothing happened yeah exactly talk about guy fury we'll talk about what going

to movie theaters in texas is like since those are open all of that plenty more but first catherine what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? I sometimes get super into scams. Not doing them, not yet. I'm not there yet, one day. But researching them. And I was thinking that there's this specifically Australian thing of pretending to have cancer and getting money out of it. And there's this one influencer named Belle Gibson.

And I looked her up because a few years ago she got caught out. She had been saying that she had all kinds of cancer, but I think she was one of the ones who was saying she was going to manage it with vegetables. People gave her hundreds of thousands of dollars, and she said she was going to give $300,000 Australian dollars of it to charity, and she never did. The more I looked into it, like I said, I don't know what it is about Australians and pretending to have cancer. It seems to be more of a thing there than in other English-speaking countries. I'm stuck on Belle Gibson.

Yeah, that's a great name. Yeah. It might not be her real name. She's lying about her age. She's actually saying that she's older than she said she is. It sounds like a very low-hanging fruit idea for mel gibson to change his identity right i think yeah this is mel i think we're it's like oh yeah oh me bell gibson oh right this way 28 years old that's wild that is not what i would have expected from that scam. When you said you noticed the sort of cancer scam more in Australia,

did you notice that the US had one that seemed more common? What were you kind of seeing out there when you're like, I think this seems they really like this one? I felt like one difference with the pretending you have cancer thing is that it targets other regular people, whereas I feel in America there's a greater sense of like, I got to go after some rich people and get their money right oh which of course makes sense because we're so capitalists or scammers would be too right right right they're like oh no no regular people don't have enough

money i need to like bleed the fattest pig in the land which is like some company or something exactly oh well you know i shout out to Belle. I just like the name Belle Gibson. It sounds like Mel Gibson's alter ego. Yeah, it's pretty bold. I like that she had multiple, like all the cancers. She was like, I got so much cancer now, you guys, please. I can't believe that people- I've got like eight or nine cancers right now.

That's literally what she said. She said that it was in was like she had liver cancer, uterine cancer, brain cancer. It just kept growing. So fucked up because, yeah, it really preys on this base fear we all have. Not many people on this earth can say they've never had some kind of experience with cancer or someone in their life having it. So, yeah, it acts on this really,

like just hearing the word like ovarian cancer or anything cancer like oh god god is this person okay like oh i know how bad that can be and it's really yeah i think it's so dark i think yeah that's the thing is that scamming rich people because they're dumb is hilarious but making regular people feel bad for you for having cancer, I don't think that's funny. What came of her? She's in trouble illegally, but I don't think she's been put in jail. She's just getting sued left and right. Wow.

The fact that she's 28 and already this deep into a scamming career suggests to me that in this version of reality, we have not heard the last of Belle Gibson. I bet she says that shaking her fist as she leaves rooms. You haven't heard the last of Belle Gibson. Belle Gibson. Being dragged in with old shackles

though for some reason. It's fucking Pride and Prejudice or some shit. Scooby-Doo villain. We had an elaborate one of these happen at Cracked in our forums where one of the moderators and longtime forum member went through this long, prolonged health crisis thing where everybody was worried about him. He was going into surgery.

It was very, I don't know. And we were interacting with his daughter while he was in a coma. And then it turned out it was all him and none of it was true. And it was very eerie and strange. Disconcerting, for sure. Was that your main feeling about it?

Did you feel bad for him at all or was it too annoying oh totally 100 felt horrible for him yeah i mean because he spent like were they not angling for money it was purely just sympathy and attention they weren't angling for money and then like we started putting together uh like fund to help, and they were like, ah, shit, I think, because that made it too real for them. I can appreciate them drawing the line when the jig is up at least.

It's like, sorry I emotionally sucked the life out of you. Right. The cash, no, I've already had my fill. God, this is making me want to rewatch J.T. Leroy. What's J.T. Leroy? It's a long story, Jack. Okay.

All right. Another day. Another time. Wow. I will be Googling that. People can Google that if they so wish. Catherine, what is something you think is underrated? The show Lady Dynamite, which was Maria Bamford's show

that lasted for two mini seasons on Netflix. It's still on Netflix and I came across it again. I watched it when it first came out. It is so funny. And it's one of those really frustrating things where it's like, why did this get canceled? Netflix has all the money in the world apparently and this got canceled and it's actually good.

But everyone should watch it. It's hilarious. Maria Bamford ended up canceling that show herself is is the good news netflix did not cancel it maria bamford was like a tie i think like just didn't want to do that intensive production schedule anymore so she like it was a mutual split. Oh, well, that changes everything. Now I'm less angry, which is nice. Yeah. She ended her show as self-care. Yeah, which is the whole show is like, that's a through line in it about how she went, she kind of lost it when she got too busy.

So that's nice that, you know, she kept that in real life. Yeah, I like when creative people just decide to end something as opposed to having it ended for them by the powers that be that's yeah so nice and so rather than having yeah the project put out of its misery for all right same vibe with fleabag kind of whereas there's like two really good seasons and then she's like all right i think we said what we had to say talk to you later and it's like yeah i have my it's just but yeah i think it's you see that more with like in europe than you do in america where people just like right because i'm sure what do you i don't know yeah if there's like an army of agents and managers like dude you're leaving cash on the table right now you're just

kidding you yeah dave chappelle did it, and people, like, legitimately, the media was covering it as if he had had a psychiatric episode. Yeah. They're like, well, that's the only explanation for why he would leave so much money on the table. Yeah. Wait, you mean you just make stuff, and, like, that makes you happy? You didn't just do this to get the money?

Right. Oh. Whoa. Gross. Slow down, slow down, slow down. just do this to get the money? Right. Oh. Whoa. Slow down, slow down, slow down. Aren't you a fucking hippie? Gross. Jamie, I hope this doesn't bum you out, but actually Marvel is working with Fleabag

to launch the extended Fleabag universe. The hot priest is actually getting his own movie. The EFU. Where he uses the fact that, yeah, foxes follow him around and he uses that as his superpower. Oh, that's really good.

I would actually watch that. Good for them, good for them. Yeah, and I think Thanos is the old man having sex with her in that first episode. And he's like, you're so young. Oh, God. I forgot about that until right now. That's's a great it's great to watch that show with

like a older like maybe a parent or someone who doesn't quite know what they're getting into because that moment i'm always like what do you think of that part i'm watching you right there what is something you think is overrated katherine? So kind of speaking of overdoing it as Americans, I think eating meat. I think we need to rethink meat. I say this as a non-vegetarian. I feel like non-vegetarians need to rethink how much meat they consume.

I feel like people who are not vegetarians eat meat every day without thinking about it. And I think we need to chill out on that, especially because in all the news right now, we're learning that it's all the meat processing plants that are hotspots for COVID. And then we're learning that they've always been really dangerous for people to work in. Like all these things that have to do with humanitarian reasons why we should stop eating. Like if we don't care about the animals, that's like kind of a lost cause. But maybe other people we care about. I don't know.

It's almost as if someone 114 years ago tried to tell people what it was like working in meatpacking places. It's almost like that. The jungle. Anyway. Yeah. meat packing places. It's almost like that. The jungle? Anyway. Yeah, yeah. And yet we've still come around to being like, yeah, this is still the scene of abject mistreatment of workers. Yeah, and I think Americans who aren't vegetarians are like,

fuck yeah, I'm going to eat meat every day. But it's like, what if we weren't vegetarians, but we still considered meat something rare and special? I don't know. We could do it, maybe. i don't know that you can like sort of reorient the way you think about shit like that it's also just now that i've been eating less meat not even not even trying to be a good person just because i'm like going out shopping less and it's really perishable so i'm like all right i guess i'm just not gonna eat it like it is now more than ever easy to adjust your thinking exactly i mean the knock-on effects of our meat consumption can be felt in the environment uh and working conditions i just actually it's

funny because i just bought i just got some impossible meat at my grocer uh yesterday because i was like you know what i'm gonna i'm just gonna start eating impossible burgers again because i it's like a great comfort food because we would eat it a lot for lunch when we were all working in the same office back in the day pre-quar but yeah like i think it is you know something i've even grappled with because like i've always been like as a kid like the joke was like miles only eats meat like he does i mean i ate vegetables too but like my relatives in japan because in japan the meat diet isn't as heavy there it's now much more popular but early on my i remember my relatives would tease me like oh here comes meat boy because meat boy's got a lot of meat yeah yeah rather than like fish or other things or like I need beef. Give him the meats.

Yeah. I was the exact opposite in that my extended family at one time at a barbecue when I was like five or six, I was raised like pescatarian for the first part of my life. And they were like, Jack, do you want like hamburger, hot dog or steak? And I was like, what steak? I literally didn't know what a steak was. And they were like what's going on jim to my dad to your dad yeah they like shamed him for for me but that's funny

yeah and we have these like i think especially for i think for me as a man too like when i was a teenager eating like a lot of my food habits have were born out of like puberty and college where i was just like yeah dude i dude, I'll fucking eat anything. I'm growing. I need to eat all this shit. It's also like a dick measuring contest on like how much food I can eat. And like, it took years

to be able to let these fucked habits go. I'm like, I'm like, I used to like performatively just eat a lot of food too, just for like the lols. And now I'm like, what the fuck? This is bad. And also like perceptions of like masculinity as it relates to meat now i'm like what the fuck this is bad and also like perceptions

of like masculinity as it relates to meat i'm like nah man it is part of toxic masculinity weirdly a lot to unpack a lot to unpack yep yep yep so i eat my impossible burger and i'm feeling manly miles do you have you like do you have uh when you're eating the impossible burgers do you have cutouts of like anna and nick and Nick and me up around the table? Yeah, me too. And I'd order way more extra ketchup for Nick because he famously just like, it's like gazpacho soup and burger the way he eats the ketchup with the burger. Really goes in. What is a myth, Catherine?

What's something people think is true you know to be false or vice versa so the idea of a patient zero specifically as it relates to the hiv epidemic wait the covid bad isn't real probably not one of the reasons so there's a couple reasons why patient zero is a false premise and one of them I think it's so interesting and so basic. It's all about linguistics. The doctor who wrote up the report about patient zero, he actually didn't write zero. He wrote O, as in this is our patient who is outside of California because they were studying people in California. But it got misinterpreted as patient zero, which obviously is a way cooler like branding.

Right. It sounds good yeah as if they created the disease within themselves yeah yeah exactly i will make it because the myth is about like a flight attendant right yeah exactly a guy who he was a flight attendant and a french canadian or something french canadian uh-huh um gatan duga i think was his name right and the idea was that he was just an absolute sex maniac going from city to city on the airplanes and fucking everybody and that he knew he was sick, but he didn't care.

He just had to bang constantly. So none of that was really true. It's just a good story in the sense of like, oh, it's going to get all the conservatives upset. Yeah, and helps reinforce those stereotypes. Yeah, and one of the reasons why he was actually incredibly helpful with studying HIV, it's actually really heartbreaking that he was so demonized because the reason he was so helpful was because he actually remembered the names of most of the people he had sex with. So they were

able to trace from him, whereas all the other early patients were like i don't know i don't know who any of these people were so he was like sweet enough to catch their names and then he got in trouble for it essentially it's so messed up so he was just noteworthy because he was so helpful to researchers and like there was so much written up on him because he was like able to help do contact tracing. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. And then this book was published a few years after he died called And the Band Played On, which is pretty famous. I think a documentary version has been made.

Yeah, the HBO. And the person writing it laid all of the blame for HIV, essentially, on him. And then a few years after that, the editor of the book publicly apologized apologized saying that he let the author do that on purpose because he knew it would drum up book sales and he knew that it wasn't true. Oh,

damn. Yeah. Not worth it. No, not at all. It's crazy. So that's another thing I think like in, in these times that looking for a patient zero and I see in the media,

they'll still do that for a patient zero, and I see in the media, they'll still do that like patient zero, zero or like patient zero of this particular outbreak in Chicago. It's like, I don't know. I don't know if we should be doing that. I don't know what benefit there is. I mean, maybe just for the purposes of scientific data gathering as like some way to

just identify, like, I think this is where we need to look first, but like for the media, that concept of it, I think is what you're like talking about this is where we need to look first but like for the meat that concept of it i think is what you're like talking about is like how we need like who do we blame exactly who the fuck was it who ate some weird shit what the fuck like that's i think what that idea of a patient zero helps people do is just be like fuck that person it just builds up their anger also speaking of which i want to say that we keep saying wet market in America, I think because it sounds gross,

so we get to think that it's gross. It's a farmer's market. If we just called it a farmer's market, people would have a clearer idea of what they were talking about and maybe a less racist one. I don't know. Maybe. Where did that designation of wet market even come from? What do you have to be to have have a wet market i think it's the things that they sell there if i'm remembering correctly that a wet market has meat and the dry market is like only um like grains and stuff like oh it's a fresh meat fish produce imperishable goods yeah the fucking farmer's market exactly there's not a fish not a fishmonger there there's not a meat person there. There's not every person selling produce.

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I wanted to talk a little bit more about it. Yesterday we talked kind of about some of the macro stuff, but today I wanted to talk about some of the details because he kind of gets into the weeds of how the virus like is transmitted and he uses a couple of different sort of case studies but basically it's a lot of studying of like how much viral load gross phrase but uh one that is actually helpful for understanding how the thing is transmitted. So for instance, a single cough releases about 3,000 droplets.

A sneeze, 30,000 droplets. A breath is only like 50 to 500 droplets or 50 to 5,000, depending on how long it's taking, how long you're spending with the person. But it really seems like the main thing to keep in mind is spending a lot of time with people indoors. They said exposure to virus times time formula. And that's basically how they're doing all contact tracing um so if you spend greater than 10 minutes in a face-to-face situation they view that person as potentially infected um and they so they looked at like this one uh restaurant where just the direction that the air was moving through the room based on where vents were

determined which people at the table and then which table around the original person who was infected got infected. But then they also looked at a workplace and it was just basically one entire side of an office got uh infected and nobody on the other side because it was all it's all location based basically it's just being around the person for a long time when we were talking yesterday and i was like oh my god it's going to be hard to do a podcast because that workplace talking about was like a call center and they talked in bromage if we're going to

honor the french pronunciation of his yes we are um rather than bromage which i'm sure in college dude get bromage in here um the like just sort of the idea that like right like speaking is another version of expelling these droplets and increases to the viral load time versus exposure thing and it really i was like damn it's like the ventilation is so key like because if like you know outside is a completely different whole back because it's not confined space there's natural airflow like it's way less risky but just even in a thing even with AC, that's just swirling it around. And I think that's why, for me, you realize why especially people who are working in grocery stores are particularly vulnerable. Us as someone like a consumer

goes to a shopping market, maybe 20 to 40 minutes, you get all your shopping done versus someone who's working an eight-hour shift in that same building with people constantly going in and out. That's a completely different risk factor. And then you're like, oh, like it's, it's much less of like, oh, that person's not wearing a mask in this context. It sort of helps you understand like truly like why places like you're saying meat processing places, your shoulder to shoulder, terrible ventilation. Yeah. I read another element of that too, that I totally didn't think of is that in meat processing places, you're shoulder to shoulder, terrible ventilation, bad outcome. I read another element of that too that I totally didn't think of is that in meat processing plants, the machinery is so loud that you have to yell right in people's faces to be heard.

So that's not going to help. That's a really good point. Yeah. I watched a video, a Q&A that a doctor did a while back. And one of the questions was, when I go outside to run an errand or whatever do i need to wash my clothes immediately after i get home and he said no i do because i'm a doctor and i'm in the hospital all day you going to the grocery store you're fine i wouldn't even worry about it i take off all my clothes and throw it in the washer when i get home you're fine right yeah

yeah because that's you know all the the surfaces, all the different. I mean, unless somebody was sneezing on your back or something. But you'd probably notice that, right? I don't know. I got these AirPods in. I'm blasting metal when I'm in the shopping center. Just stay focused. Having someone sneeze on my back is actually my kink.

So this has made this very difficult. But he has to be wearing an old jerry stackhouse 76ers throwback jersey that's right very specific and it's just what you needed it is and that's all i needed let's talk about how people are feeling as we entered this week where people were you know the the media was suggesting that maybe we were gonna see a lot of different places open back up there's a there's a poll from the washington post that shows an interesting relationship between a governor's approval numbers and like how aggressive they're being when it comes to their containment policies.

Yeah. And this is kind of part of the thing we're talking about. When you watch the news or read articles, it's always like amid pressure from citizens or amid pressure from blah, blah, blah, governors are trying to figure out a way to open as quickly as possible. But this poll, I think, completely undermines that sentiment. You look at, again, overall state governor approval of how they're handling situations around 71%. So Ohio, where DeWine is doing a pretty decent job, 86% approval. That's a state that went for Trump, and he has 86% approval. And comparatively, he is not trying to open the state as aggressively as someone like, let's say, Greg Abbott, who has 57 percent approval or Kemp in Georgia, who has 39 percent approval. So it's funny, like when you look at this, you're saying, oh, OK, even states that have Democrat governors that are doing this, they are getting some bit of bipartisan support for being like, yeah, man, like this is what needs to happen. And especially like Ohio, I think is a really interesting case because that's a swing state. There's that went for Trump. This isn't like a, Hey man, let's just open everything back up. They're being very cautious

and his, he has the highest approval rating. That's like real bipartisan support for his leadership. And that's what makes this whole thing very, it's hard for someone like Trump and the people who cry for reopening, because when they look at this poll, Trump clearly saw this because he tweeted immediately, right? That there's like this 71% base governor approval. He tweeted, remember this, everyone who has sky high approval on their handling of the coronavirus, and I'm happy for them all, could in no way have gotten those numbers or had that success without me and the federal government's help. From ventilators to testing, we made it happen. Shut the fuck up. You're missing the point. The whole point here, champ, is that the governors who are locking down are getting better numbers, fuckwit.

Not because you gave them testing. The people say, I like the leadership this person is demonstrating. I feel safe. That's what safe is to people. Not that they want to reopen. It's really a bizarre, bizarre dynamic right now. Yeah. I feel like there is like, it makes sense that it incentivizes

businesses that want to open anyways. And I'm not talking about small businesses. I'm talking about large chains and stuff like that. It behooves them to say, well, everyone's saying we have to open again. And there's no real way to quantify that. So there is an easy way to craft a media narrative of like, okay, we have these pictures of some people are protesting. And those groups, while infuriating, are in the minority of people.

And you have companies that want to open and want to start getting revenue again. And it's very, very easy to craft that media narrative. And then also just force people back to work in unsafe conditions as well. as well. Yeah, there's another poll that asks Americans like, would you rather America open to

get businesses back open or would you rather them be cautious and wait and keep businesses closed? And when you ask all American adults, it's 74% want a cautious approach and when you even focus it on laid off or furloughed workers it's 79 percent are looking for a uh more cautious approach so yeah the energy to reopen is really it seems like it's coming from the coke brothers

and like the you know the astro yeah i mean because there's it's also like there's coming from the coke brothers and like the you know the astro yeah i mean because there's it's also like there's not the infrastructure to open a lot of like reopen a lot of places safely where i've been seeing a lot of this and then i have like friends and family who like use public transit to get to work but they, okay, so the cafe I work at is reopening, but they're not allowing, like if you can't get your job back unless you have a car. And some of these people live in like New York City, in gigantic cities where it makes no sense for that to be the demand. And so it's like, you know, there is a demand to open the business so the business can start generating revenue, but there's no precautions taken for the workers. There's no plan for recourse of getting them there safely, of providing them with the safety

that they need to do it. And so people are remaining unemployed as well. And it's just, yeah. Well, I think the main refrain too is from every doctor is without sorting out the biology piece of this, there is no economy like i don't understand what every science like i don't understand why you're worried about that if people get sick and die you're going to be dealing with a debilitating crisis in perpetuity that will guarantee the absolute economic economic financial demise of the country because you're you're basically trying to operate in these conditions. It's just antithetical to the outcome you're looking for. It's like if you want economy, because look,

what? Something like 70% of our economy is consumer spending. Then you need consumers that are healthy, that have faith in going outside. The numbers are telling you right now, nearly three-fourths of the country is not feeling that way. So even if you do, these people aren't ready to go out and start throwing their cash around. And also, no one has a sense of stability because we still don't feel safe in terms of we have treatment and we have a vaccine. We're still arriving at that place very slowly. Yeah. Just another way to disregard human life. Yeah. But I think that's why it's important for people to realize,

most people listening who say, if you actually care about science and believe, you're like, yeah, that's not good. That doesn't sound good. These don't sound like good outcomes. Oh, I could get someone sick. I don't want that. But then you think,

why are these people insisting we go back to work? Haven't they heard that people get sick? It's because, because again like we're saying that's the ownership class the people who own these businesses they're looking at their revenues go down yeah and they're like get my fucking workers my wage slaves back out there so i can see my revenues go back up it's nothing to do with people's safety and i think that's what i wish you know again're going to hear that like when they dissect these pieces, like who are these people doing jump squats in front of the gym?

It's like they're just, they've been co-opted by a group, a very powerful group of wealthy people who can give them some pre-made signs and give them some, you know, like a rap sheet to go off of when they talk to the media. I wonder if they do start like companies, the businesses that start opening early, if they'll lose even more money. Because I was thinking about all the women in those televised protests are always talking about

how they want to get their hair done. Well, I very much would like to get my hair done, but if the salon opened today, I wouldn't go. And I wouldn't go for months. I can live with having like really shaggy hair.

It's fine. So if a salon opened today and no one came, would they maybe just entirely lose their business? Like it seems like they could be worse off. Yeah, I think it's a hard balance because again, without consumer confidence, there's no consumption. Right. Yeah, I mean, there's that Dallas salon. I do think somebody who is pro-science should maybe organize a boycott for any businesses that are just disregarding public health initiatives

to try and get open. I'm sure that will happen. I do feel for business owners, but there needs to be some incentive for people to do what is best for everyone. Right. And I think also, and I completely understand you're a small business owner, you're absolutely getting killed by not being able to do business. But again, that anger or that frustration needs to be aimed at the federal government because they're not, you know, other countries are somehow trying to find ways to keep things afloat despite the economy grinding to a halt. Whereas our strategy here is to be like, okay, how can we cut checks for the top 1%? That's what all that's happened.

And I think rather than getting mad, it's like, well, I can't open my business. I understand that. But you also need to look, Trump is giving your fucking money away to billionaires that are laughing their asses off right now while your actual small business is fucking dying. And it's not because of scientists. It's because of the like when, you know, like, it becomes so apparent that there's this absolute, total disregard for normal working people. It's like, well, I don't know. Did you give me over? Did you give me a six-figure donation to my pack? Dude, then I'm not taking that call.

Like, I don't give a fuck. Right. Right. Well, let's talk about politics because we are in a a presidential election year have you guys heard about this but uh donald trump is is running for president oh boy against joe biden the guy who i guess used to be the vice president so there's an interesting new poll that says you know what one of the things that we hear that i've heard a lot, at least on Twitter from the people I follow, is that nominating Biden is kind of death because nobody feels

passionately about him. And that has always made sense to me. But apparently in 2016, And that has always made sense to me. But apparently in 2016, an important voting bloc was people who wanted to vote for somebody but hated both of the candidates and voted anyways. And that ended up being about 20% of voters. And Trump outperformed Clinton by 17 percentage points, according to exit polls in 2016. It's, you know, people go with the devil. They don't know, as the article says. It's like, well, because a lot of people in their mind, without even actually thinking about what Donald Trump as president would look like, were just like, I don't know, Clinton woman.

And I'm not willing to think much deeper than that. Now, when they start looking at people like this same group of disaffected Republicans, independents, other Democrats, things like that, Biden is leading that group by 40 percentage points. And according to this poll, for the way people were identifying, that's nearly a quarter of registered voters. Now, these are polls and they don't mean anything, but it is interesting. I think the one thing to see is that with Trump as the incumbent, that there is a group of people who are kind of looking at it like, okay, I don't know, do I want four more of this? But it's a small group because I think for the most part you look at the numbers 43 of the country is voting for him

that's that's just nailed on uh but it's like interesting to see the movement in these other pieces that aren't quite nailed down yeah 43 are voting definitely for trump or for biden yeah no trump trump trump yeah just based on like that his approval just seems to always hover there i'm like okay those are the dedicated the people who are dedicated to the white supremacy death cult who are willing to just do whatever it takes so many people it's too many people i would say i would agree with that yeah well they saw it yeah well they saw the absolute nightmare scenario which was a black man become the strong the most powerful person in the country and that's such an inversion of racial power for some people they needed trump to fucking just you know fucking erase that and that's really the degree to which the Obama presidency made America,

I'd say 200% more openly racist can't be underestimated. People were like, well, racism's over when he got elected, and then immediately everyone was just openly racist. Semi-related. I very much enjoyed the new Michelle Obama documentary on Nightmare. I haven't watched it yet. Yeah, it's fun. It's like if you've read her book,

it's just a summary of the book and the book tour. But put me in a good mood. I enjoyed it. Nice. Hell yeah. Yeah. I'll fucking vote for for joe biden but i i just don't want anyone to ask me to feel happy about it no i'm not legally required to feel happy about it and i won't no but i don't want uh you know yeah yeah but i mean yeah there's

back to the good old days you know and you could look a racist in the eye and be like, can we agree on this? All right. Bipartisanship. Good way to go. I think, you know, it's it's interesting even just to see how how much the Tara Reid coverage fluctuates from being talked about to not talked about to then seeing a lot of Democrats fall in line who traditionally I thought would be voicing an opinion on the side of if there is a credible accusation, then we should hear this person out to suddenly being like, I think Joe Biden was credible. And I don't even think that's limited to the DNC. It's just human nature. And like when the stakes are like this, people are willing to be like, I'm going to shut my mouth on this thing because I'm just focused on this horse race where I just have to make sure blue team wins. It sucks when we lose any kind of principles or trying to change things substantively

because I think to really do that, we have to make some really hard decisions. Otherwise, things just keep going on. Is there any chance at all that someone besides Biden gets the nomination? I think there is? It's possible. I mean, it's possible, but I don't know. I haven't heard enough

where I'm starting to hear like, oh, they're really thinking about this. I haven't heard any indication that anyone high up in the DNC is interested in taking these allegations seriously enough to question taking their candidate out of the race. Got it.

Yeah. No, that's probably you know and it's weird and like it's just human nature right like they're this presidency has been so fucked up that now it's like just fucking anything please like okay this guy is problematic i just don't care like this other guy in my mind is more problematic and just get this fucking band-aid off please like just can we move on? And, but we're like in part in doing that is like, we're trying to, we're trying to make real changes to our society on the way to this point of like, you know, advocating

for people who are oppressed and like actually trying to change our ideas and perceptions around rape culture and consent culture. And yeah, I mean, it's worse than problematic. It's not like a couple of comments. No, it's, yeah. I guess, I mean, just more in general, like the just zooming out in terms of like a binary of what we're looking at.

It's like, it's just not, this isn't, it's tough when we see so many things that are wrong and the opportunity to change them. And it's not quite the way we need. All right, guys, let's take a quick wrong and the opportunity to change them. And it's not quite the way we need. All right, guys, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. This summer,

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in the Atlantic about like how pandemics are remembered because that's been something that I've just been curious about is what will the pop cultural impact of the pandemic be other than a bunch of bad rom-coms

as we've talked about, like the Mumblecore rom-com about getting... Give me the Duplass mumblecore divorce right exactly but this article looks at like some different like the 1918 uh epidemic that like wiped out i think uh 700 000 americans and they think between 17 million and 100 million people worldwide. It was right around World War I, and this author just points out that it was completely ignored culturally.

It was almost like it was just blanked out by the war, and the war being kind of a more, even though it killed fewer people, it was like a, an easier thing to write about because it was, you know, humans killing other humans. The, uh,

the writer is Charles C. Mann, uh, very history writer. Uh, Chuck Mann. What was, what was everyone's familiar?

I mean, I was barely aware of the 1918 pandemic before this was looming. So he points out that Hemingway, Faulkner, Fitzgerald, and Dos Passos all lived through it, and they never once mention it. It was this massive thing that happened, and then within 20 years, it was like no longer in history books.

Like it was taken out of the textbooks. And then like in the 70s, somebody wrote a book that was like, yeah, this happened. Do we not want to talk about that? Because this happened like in 1918. No, let's talk about it next time it happens. Yeah. because this happened like in 1918 next time it happens yeah because i think the one thing that i took away just from like reading about you know the firsthand accounts of people then is like it was just so bleak like they were just tossing like kids wrapped in sheets under like a wagon

that would come down the street yeah like like you know fucking life of brian like bring out your dead type shit and yeah it i wonder if that's just it's so traumatic it's like dude you know, fucking life of Brian, like bring out your dead type shit. And I wonder if that's just, it's so traumatic. It's like, dude, we know, like we saw people young and old die. And it's just like, maybe let's just go to nice, nice. Like maybe, because maybe it was one of those things like, hey, too soon, too soon. That's what I was thinking too. Like they thought the war was finally winding down

and then this happens and they're like, you know what? Fuck it. soon that's what i was thinking too like they thought the war was finally winding down and then this happens and they're like you know what fuck it i'm gonna go get drunk and that's what the flappers were all about they were they were wanted to party because they might die at any point right right i just want to read this account from like an old person like an old uh who was interviewed like in 96 about them growing up during the Spanish flu epidemic. Quote, they were dying. Many families losing one or more in their family. It was getting so bad, the deaths, they even,

they had to use wagons drawn by two horses to carry to the grave. I remember seeing them pass the house. Seems like to me now is every day at that time when the phone would ring, when my mother, my father would listen in and they would turn to us. They would name the person they just heard had died. It was night and day. And you would hear about these people dying. My father never got the flu, but he would go to town, buy groceries for neighbors and take to their front porch. And we didn't get the flu at all in our family, but it was terrible. So I think...

Oh, I can't imagine. Yeah. Yeah. I think just everyone's just sort of like just shuddering still. But I also... Right. But I mean, I do wonder, because people were shuddering still but i also yeah it's but i mean i do wonder like because people were shuttered right like everybody was kind of doing the same thing we were doing just without streaming media so i wonder if like that the fact that we're just like okay we are actively burning time like that is what our activity is right now we're just getting through this like if that then becomes just this gap in our like imagination and like cultural uh understanding and i was gonna say that uh this article also points out like that we like america as a nation is founded on like the bones of the biggest plague

in the history of the world that killed 100 million Native Americans, up to. There's disagreement on the numbers, but it was just a nation that existed and was fully functioning, and then everybody died of plague, and the European settlers just moved in and were like, man, this is easy. This whole land is completely settled.

Yeah. That's what's freaky too with what's happening in South Dakota because a lot of tribes are setting up checkpoints because they don't want people bringing COVID onto the reservation because again, they look at, that population is already

being horribly disproportionately affected by covid and they are they are reliving this in real time now where they're saying hold on we have to fucking really protect ourselves now because this shit is coming back now and we're setting so them setting up checkpoints has led the governor a gnome of south carolina be like i'm gonna sue uh just to oh to challenge up checkpoints has led the governor, a gnome of South Carolina, be like, I'm going to sue just to to challenge these checkpoints, despite many people saying the settled laws like this is their sovereign land, that they are well within their rights to have these checkpoints. Because that that was the shit deal the Bureau of Indian Affairs gave people back in the day. And even now, you're not going to even honor the sovereignty of their land when there's not even the consideration to the decimation of their people. It's fucking bullshit. But it's weird to even see this now, like dimensions of this.

It's playing out like we're seeing these little moments of history come back in these very vivid ways. And there's a lot of fucking trauma and fear built into something like that. I also want to say that Mr. Man, in terms of the literature he cites, he's only citing the top five, basically, in terms of the most famous authors of that time, and they're all men. And I wondered if we look deeper into literature,

like beyond the bestsellers, maybe, or books written by women, who knows? Maybe there is more about this in literature. It's just not what we're given to read in high school. Because those are all like high school curriculum writers. That is kind of funny. Yeah, if it was like 100 years from now, they're like, well, Chris D'Elia never told a joke about COVID.

So I really don't know if it was a part of the conversation at all. I believe that your AKAs during this time will be what is like recognized history. That's what I remember. The songs of Lil Zam serenaded the people through the dark times. But we have to move on to some important news because, Miles, you've had a spiritual shift on your relationship to uh guy fieri yeah i mean guy fieri the fierisance as i call it has uh opened my eyes to some prejudices that i was holding against this man um you know like the last i feel like 18 months i feel like, 18 months, I feel like the Fieri Sans has been in full effect, where every story that comes out is like, what?

Guy Fieri's not a douchebag? I truly think that Shane Torres, shout out Shane, started the national waking up, the global waking up to the fact that Guy Fieri never did anything to hurt us. Yeah. And I'm like, wait, hold on. This dude's got like, he's like a good dad and husband. I'm like, what? I'm like, what?

He officiated a mass same-sex marriage for over 101 same-sex couples in honor of his sister who was a lesbian that passed away? I'm like, what? Yeah. So I'm like, okay. And then the reason I bring this up now is that like we found out that there was this national restaurant association education foundation fund that was being set up

for restaurant employee relief because the food industry has been just absolutely fucked by this whole shutdown it's like it's horrific um to the point where most russians like i don't know what to do i don't know how we reopen i guess we'll just like just go to the wheels come off at this point and then we'll go from there but this fund was meant to you know help employees receive like a one-time 500 check when you apply to use for whatever you need your bills your rent or whatever turns out guy fieri was on his grizzy because he was started banging those phones and reaching out to corporate donors he knew. This dude raised over $20 million for this fund in a matter of a couple of weeks. When they break that down, that's like 40,000 people who can get this grant because of him. because of him and i'm like yes i i abandoned like guy fieri sucks maybe a year ago but i'm like but now like with this one i've had to take another moment is to just examine what my fieri

hate was was it that like it's funny because i'm a huge triple d fan i love that show i think it's great i love food there's not i never watched businesses yeah and creates exactly like the amount of business it's created for these small these small restaurants is fantastic like there's not i never watch businesses yeah and creates exactly like the amount of business it's created for these small these small restaurants is fantastic like there's apps even dedicated to be like am i near a thing guy fieri's been to um and now when you but then i'm just sort of like what the fuck is it i'm like was it it was easy to talk shit because he just looked like a dude with spiked tips and shit and i was just like oh fuck that fuck his weird flame button ups i was like yeah it had to take a moment and just say like it was guy fieri merely there for

me to feel cool comparatively and and not only now am i waking up to my own shallowness as to what my relationship with guy fieri actually is i don't know yeah that. That was beautiful, though. I like that. I love that. I had this process. It was just weird. I'm like, why the fuck do I? Like, honestly, I'm like, I like everything he does,

aside from me being like, okay, I wouldn't dress like that. Yeah. There's something to be said for, like, it's easy to hate someone doing something very goofy, very confidently. I think that it's very easy to pile on. And then, yeah, but it's like if you look at like, well, what is that person actually doing?

Like, what are they doing? They're promoting a local business while looking goofy and being confident. Then it's just, I feel like it's almost one of those, like, I don't know, like you're sort of cringing on their behalf because they're not going to cringe for themselves yeah right but he's fine himself he seems to like himself and and i think that's what it is right confidence in others no exactly like insecure people don't

like to see secure people do their shit because deep down you're like man fuck why are you why do you have that confidence to look like that, you fucking loser? But like, really, I'm like... I don't think it's necessarily... I'm speaking for myself. I'm speaking for myself. I'm dismantling my own insecurities vis-a-vis my relationship with Guy Fieri. I think the way he entered

the kind of collective consciousness is as... Like, if Larry the Cable Guy was a mad TV character, Guy Fieri was played by the, was just a different character played by that same like mad TV performer, I feel like. They were like, it was just that same like vibe.

So I, yeah, I just feel like he got a bad break from like how he came packaged to two people. But yeah, I mean, I agree. Like judging people by their hair is probably not fair. Probably. Well, also, I think also I had a kind of chip on my shoulder because I didn't like the name Tex Wasabi's. I was like, fuck that. You don't know shit about any food, bro. Just keep it moving with the fucking fun restaurants. Tex Wasabi's. I was like, fuck that. You don't know shit about any food, bro.

Just keep it moving with the fucking fun restaurants. Tex Wasabi's. Right. And then there was that New York Times review of his restaurant in Times Square. And I was like, oh, this guy sucks. But it was like from this snarky perspective of like food writers who just want to take a dump on him. Like, yeah, the food sucks or whatever.

But like in my mind now, I'm like, leave Guy alone. So I actually have a different take on that article because that review of Guy Fieri's restaurant in New York Times was very famous. I thought it was very funny. Like it was written in a very funny manner. Yeah, yeah. But I think people misunderstand what the writer was trying to do

because they were saying that the writer was being a snob for caring that the food wasn't good at that restaurant. But I think what the writer was being a snob for caring that the food wasn't good at that restaurant. But I think what the writer was saying was like, people are going to come on a special trip to New York and they're going to go on a special trip dinner to this restaurant and the food's not good and you're charging $40 an entree and you shouldn't do that. And I think that was like a different point, but the way that the article came across. Yeah, I think there were some descriptions of the food though that I was like, oh, okay.

I mean, look, I enjoyed the thorough flaming. A good writer. I mean, there's no doubt of the writer's talent. Don't get me wrong. But I'm just, you know, again, all this to say I'm doing all this introspection now to, you know, this is the work I'm doing in Quar. If I come out of here loving Guy Fieri, then I feel like I've done my part. You've grown as a person. Did you know this is what i'm this is the work i'm doing in choir if i come out of here loving guy fieri then i feel like i've done my part you've grown as a person did you know that

he also fed firefighters and people who lost their houses yeah during the fire yeah in santa rosa he's just a fucking that's what i'm saying like it's weird how we just sort of reached this like threshold where it was no longer i don't know think societally, we all just began to be like, yeah, we're not, whatever, it's Guy Fieri. Like maybe we've all grown, I don't know. I will say also that I went to a very fancy food event in Las Vegas at Caesars Palace in the pool area. And there's like multiple pools there. And at all the pools, it was a bunch of dressed up people

like quietly drinking cocktails. But then when you went to Guy Fieri's pool area, that was a party they had like a Guns N' Roses cover band and like airbrush artists doing work and people were in the pool like it was a much more fun scene yeah meanwhile Daniel Colude is like scoffing from his side he's like oh exactly yes I get pretty accurate I grew up in a very pro-Fieri family where it was TGI Fridays that carried his deal. Because I remember my mom was very enthusiastic about Fieri's output. And she also, I'm kind of, every time I hear his name, I'm wondering where she picked this up.

But she had this thing where she would be like, it's not Fieri, it's Fieri. You have to pronounce it the Italian way. She was very into him and so we went we went to like tgi fridays and my mom was like i would like guy fieri's mozzarella sticks like uh mozzarella he's fun he's like he's fun and and the best part is that uh guy fieri fieri depending on the pronunciation you prefer. I should put respect on his name. Doesn't give a fuck what we think of him.

And that is part of why he is himself. He doesn't, he, someone who like, you just, if you're Guy Fieri, you can't give a fuck what people think of you. Or you can't be yourself in that way. I think also the misunderstanding of what diners drive-ins and dives was doing because i know when it started i think i was in my early 20s and i was like why does he like everything how can he be this enthusiastic about all food yeah but now

i'm smarter and also smarter people than me have explained it to me it was totally just to keep these businesses going that's what it was. Yeah, I mean, if you go the John Taffer route where you travel the country verbally abusing small business owners, that's literally, like, it's just... I love that show, though. It's just as fun to watch,

but you're like, oh, this is a less noble endeavor. You idiot! I mean, I hope this is... What that article by a man was talking about, how like another way that pandemics influence culture is by, you know, there was like a peasant revolt after the after the Black Plague. that we see and maybe this is like emerging class solidarity where like we used to identify like we used to be stratified by like well i'm a new york times reader and looking down on like guy fieri yeah and now it's more like we are guys we are we're all guy fieri dude new thing instead of guy fox masks guy fieri masks. Yeah, dude. Oh, my God. I love it.

We need to do that. Have that shit marching on 1600. They're like, the Fieris are here. The McConaissance, he just got a Lincoln sponsorship, whereas Guy Fieri's doing work. Setting off the revolution, bro. Raising $20 million. Catherine, it's been so fun

having you as always. Thank you. Where can people find you and follow you? Let's see. My podcast is called Smart Mouth. It's a food history podcast. It's two words, Smart Mouth.

And I'm on Twitter at Katherine Spires and on Instagram at Smart Mouth Podcast. Yeah, yeah. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? There was just one tweet that made me incredibly happy. It was someone named Drew Gregory. Their handle is draw underscore Gregory. And they wrote, something I don't talk about a lot is that my grandma cheated on my grandpa with Don Knotts. Ooh. Ooh. Yes.

Wow. That's good, right? Wow, wow, wow. That rocks. Well, I don't know about that. That. Wow. That's a, wow.

That's incredible. I liked it so much for so many reasons that really made me happy. You know, weird thought because I just have to speak whatever my active brain is thinking. I first figured out who Don Knotts was because of the movie Serial Mom, the John Waters film. They're at a swap meet and the guy buys a painting of Don Knotts and goes, it's Don fucking Knotts. And it's like a throwaway line. It walks away. I was like, what the fuck was that?

Anyway. He's an icon. Jamie, it's been a pleasure having you. Where can people find you and follow you? You can find me on Twitter at Jamie Loftus Help. Instagram at Jamie Christ Superstar. I think I'm just going to give a digital shout out to Chassin Buttigieg's new memoir title. It's the, I don't know what, I mean,

I don't have a strong opinion on Chassin Buttigieg, but the name of his memoir is I Have Something to Tell You. What? It made me laugh a lot. I think, what a direct name for a book where you're inevitably

going to tell someone something. And he looks so happy on the, my friend, I'll show it, my friend George Severus at George Severus

tweeted the cover. It said, me texting everyone that this is the new The Secret. I've got something smiling and it says i have something to tell you chas and you're just like he's like you're living in a white supremacist corporatocracy okay end book oh you think the buddha judge camp would

ever admit that never yeah wait that's so weird in my mind i'm hoping for a messy T report on Pete. I'm like, drag her. I know. We'll see. We'll see. But right now, all we know is that Chastain has something to tell us, and we won't know what it is until September 1st. Is there a subtitle even? A memoir? Ah.

I thought, yeah, it would give us some inkling. I just had something to tell you. How I got real and got happy. I was like, my theory is what he has to tell us is probably not much, but he has something to tell us. And he doesn't even promise that it's juicy. It's just something. Yeah.

My assumption would be that he's writing that book right now frantically because he has no idea someone goes through this in six weeks uh just know that it's something we'll we'll get more specific later miles where can people where can people find you miles uh find me follow me twitter instagram playstation network miles of gray also on Twitch.tv. I did a little stream over the weekend. Starting to Twitch it up, you know?

I'm lonely out here. Also, my other show, 420 Day Fiance, talking about 90 Day Fiance with Sophia Alexander. Also, I was on Catherine's podcast, Smart Mouth. We talked about mofongo. Yes, you did. One of my favorite dishes. And she put me on to, wow. We put each other on to so much knowledge.

It was a pure knowledge fest. Yeah, yeah. I would love to come back if you'll have me. Let's see, some tweets that I like. First one is from Zara Rahim, at Zara Rahim. It's a quote tweet of a complex tweet that says, Billy Irish, quote, wrote a whole song in its entirety end quote during quarantine zara quote says dolly parton wrote i will always love you and jolene

in the same day yeah uh so put that on um another one that's always mind-blowing to me like how like hit songs seem to just like explode out of people's minds in like a couple minutes like yeah it's like so wild yeah um and then one more is from uh actually zeitgang listener at the doc fish dr randall fish uh we were talking about how jamie likes to ride dirty with no license uh and he posited this tweet as a joke. Jamie Loftus, knock, knock, miles of gray. Who's there? Jamie, Daisy, miles, Daisy, who?

Jamie, Daisy me rolling. They hate it. So that gave me a nice laugh. So shout out to you, Doc Fish. Tweet I've been enjoying. Ginny Hogan tweeted people will rarely call you ugly to

your face but if you get slightly better looking they will heavily imply that you used to be ugly yeah true damn it is Ginny as always serving truth serving up truth and also Sean

Clemens tweeted rolling my eyes and saying okay Karen when my wife asks me to help her with literally anything you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien you can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist we're at The Daily Zeitgeist on

Instagram we have a Facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we ride out on miles what's that gonna be today let's do a track from zero seven uh this this i've been thinking a lot about this band because i've been trying to pick up my bass guitar again and the this album when it falls the first zero seven

album had like these groovy bass lines that were easy enough that i could learn very early on and i would play along with this album a lot uh they are also one of the reasons i came into contact with sia's music uh because she would always be a featured vocalist on other productions so this is a track called somersault by zero seven it. There's also a remix that Danger Mouse did that's also worth checking out if you want to go down that route. But this is Zero7's Summer Salt. Summer Salt?

Summer Salt. All right. Like the gymnastics move. Summer Salt. I was thinking the season and the flavoring. Ah, no. That would be off her album Winter Pepper. Oh, got it, got it.

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