The Daily Zeitgeist - Inauguration Gets Loud, Trump’s S#!@ty New Life 1.21.21

Episode Date: January 21, 2021

In episode 795, Jack and Miles are joined by the Bechdel Cast's Jamie Loftus to discuss Joe Biden's inauguration, conservative networks continuing to support Trump, Trump's legal troubles, racists crawling back into their holes, and more. Plus super producer Anna Hossnieh joins to talk about why we need to be taking the Armie Hammer abuse allegations more seriously.FOOTNOTES: The inauguration of Joe Biden Fox News, OANN, and Newsmax Pretend Trump’s Not Leaving in Disgrace The Walls Are Closing In on Donald Trump Commentary: Fox News helped create the Big Lie. Now, as ratings slide, it can’t escape it Poll: Republican support for convicting Trump in Senate growing QAnon believers struggle with inauguration. We Need To Talk About Armie Armie Hammer’s ex Courtney Vucekovich: He wanted to ‘barbecue and eat’ me WATCH: Benny Sings - Rolled Up feat. Mac DeMarco Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is Thursday, January 21st, 2021. It is T-min 21st, 2021. It is T-minus one day from January 20th. So we can stop counting that down. I will delete it from the doc. We made it. The motherfucker is gone.

We will talk about that. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. My tiredness is killing me. And I, I must confess, I'm Jack O'Bee. Jack O'Bee. When it's not Mountain Dew, I lose my mind. Give me a Stein. Hit me Baja one more blast.

That is courtesy of Zamboni Zamboni And I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host Mr. Miles Gray Oh and it's Miles Gray aka I thought we'd be stuck with you forever. But that fascist piece of shit has gone away. It's not hard to say goodbye to this piece of shit. And one more. Well, it seems to me That you spent your life Like a giant piece of shit

The first one is from me The second one from Christy Yamaguchi-Maine Just had There's a lot of good A lot of good AKs right now But I just had to He had a whole verse

But that one hits you know Like a giant piece of shit Beautiful We are thrilled but that one hits, you know? Like a giant piece of shit. Oh, beautiful. We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious, the talented, the very first face on Mount Zypemore. She is Jamie Lofton! Let's get it on!

That's all I had to say. I lost my shit when Jennifer Lopez screamed, let's get loud in the middle of this land is your land. Yeah. That is the- It was dope. People have been waiting for that Woody Guthrie J-Lo mashup, and she delivered it.

I was like, wow, this is a girl boss event. I hope when she did it, I was like, is she going to start doing her own shit? I know. Waiting for tonight. Whoa. And I'm like, oh shit,

she's doing it. Don't be fooled by the rice that I got. I'm still Joey from the block. Yeah. That was some real girl boss shit, but I was laughing my head off. Yeah. A few times.

What in the nog? I'm going to go get loud. I've been getting loud all morning just screaming that. Let's get loud. Yeah. And I'm inspired. I'm gonna go get loud. I've been getting loud all morning just screaming that. Let's get loud. Let's get loud. I was actually, we were a little worried heading into this recording just

how's Sonny dealing with everything. Oh, Sonny's drunk, man. He's fucked up. Sonny started, I was telling Miles off mic, Sonny started icing us at 5 a.m bros icing bros yeah yeah I was like I was like wait my

pillow feels weird I turns out there's three Smirnoff ices underneath my damn Sonny is fuck Jamie's dog who is all right for new listeners yeah yeah so he was he actually he was dead asleep by the time the inauguration happened at like nine just passed out he passed out man have that

blocker on you i know it doesn't it's not a good look to have that blocker on you but you know free the homies that they caught with it r.i.p to the homies they caught without it because like when you're getting iced, if someone tries to ice you and you pull out an ice and you go, ah, ah, ah, then they have to drink too. And then everyone looks ridiculous.

Yeah. And look, this will be in the lore that people won't know about, but when I was doing smirnoff icing in the streets of Tokyo, there were moments where I would have six on me at any given moment because it was getting that aggressive and shameless. Like Batman's utility belt? Yes.

How did you have them? Well, because it's in Japan. They sell Lucy's of Smirnoff. So you can go to a 7-Eleven. And when someone had their back turned, I would be like, oh, yeah, y'all want to check out that anime store? Going with American friends. Yeah, go in there. I'm going to check out that anime store like going with like american friends like yeah go in there i'm gonna wait out here i would run down the street to the convenience store buy like nine smirnoff ices and put in my backpack and then just

like when they come out be like oh yo i got you something it's stupid and i'm i miss i mean anyone under like what 25 does does has never been iced yeah it was the best marketing tactic the devil ever thought of i miss it i think it was people like it fucking like break.com or something that initially came up with it as a bit or something and then it like ran away into this thing that people were like yes right too powerful it was when like frat fratty uh marketing like using a frat to market your products was like a feasible option yeah yeah i just picture sunny being so like next level where it's like you know because when you get when you start next leveling people shout out to my friend nick who taught me about the one where you disconnect the toilet handle so someone would

have to lift the toilet thing to look into the tank and you put ice in there and they're like and then you just hear someone go fuck like in the bathroom that's like the high you chase when you're doing it like at another level i just picture sunny like being like i gotta go to the bathroom and he just shits out of smeared off ice and it's like, oh, man. Mike, guess you've been ice. So yeah, Sonny was icing us all morning and, you know, he said some things

that I'd rather not repeat, but he was very drunk. Wow. Yeah. Do they still smell, do they still smell Smirnoff Ice? No,

do they still sell Smirnoff Ice? Oh, yeah. Is that still a product? Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Wow. I still try to ice well back when we could see people i used to try to ice caitlin but she didn't she doesn't she doesn't drink it she just says no right right that's the best when you try and ice someone they don't know what the fuck you're talking about or not interested and you just feel like such a piece of shit so weird having to having to be like oh so it's this thing where i hide it and then you have to drink the whole thing in front of me because i said so and you have to get on

one knee you gotta get on one knee you also have to bow before me as you do um no very chill very i don't have to do any of that actually me what do you okay all right all right, all right. That's fine. What a way to begin our first post-Trump record. Listen, let's get loud, folks. Let's get loud. She said it. I felt it. Let's get loud. I know.

I'm going to smoke that loud, J-Lo. I heard you. Smoking on that Trump pack later. Smoke that loud. All right, Jamie, we're going gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about we will give brief impressions of the inauguration we know it was yesterday for y'all uh we're still you know living through the the day of so we'll talk about that we'll say peace out to uh the the past president uh we'll talk about his bills bills are coming due

for Donald Trump yeah how about those bills huh I was to screen in the inauguration with just a main line of QAnon people realizing that uh Biden hadn't been arrested yet and noon was approaching and then had passed. So we'll talk about that and just generally how there seems to be a flagging of enthusiasm on the right. So we'll talk about that. Talk about the kick game on display at the inauguration. Joe Exotic getting fucked over. Just the latest person to get fucked over by trump and we will uh talk about army hammer uh we will have super producer anna hosnier on to discuss uh all that

plenty more but first jamie we like to ask our guest what's something from your search history that's revealing about who you are oh uh i've been doing a lot of searches uh so just let me know which search jumps out to you i learned that uh there is uh an actual saint uh for mental illness which i thought was really cool i didn't know she existed her name's saint dimfna and if you google her she's real pretty uh I found out that one of the guys... From what time period? Like, where's her... When did she get her miracles on? That's a good question. Let me see.

I just know she's a gorgeous redhead. St. Dymphna. Dymphna was recorded in the... Damn! Yeah, 13th century. Ah. Yeah. Okay.

Shout out to her. So there you go. She was murdered by her father, which brings me to my next Google search. Marvin Gaye, how'd he die? Which is the guy who helped make Tetris that murdered his family. I watched this long-ass YouTube video

about the making of Tetris because my algorithm is just fucked. It was like an hour and a half long. It was really good, but it was like the history of Tetris long it was really good but it was like the history of tetris and and so i just watched the whole thing and at the end like they don't talk about the guy who murdered his family um during the video but at the end they just do like the where are they now and it's like this guy went on to work at this video game company

this guy went on to work at this video game company this guy killed his entire family this guy went on to work at nintendo and i was like hold on and it was like three in the morning so wait is this uh a russian like one of the russian guys who made it or one of the americans yes a man named vladimir pok pokilko um it's very sad it's extreme like i'm not trying to make light of it it was just very jarring to see at the end of a pretty weird thing to slide in a video about tetris did the youtube documentary also use the rules of three to have that be the third update just for as hard as your presentation or was that your own comedic taste that you that was that was my own flourish but yeah i uh i i don't it's very sad but it was just it it woke me right the fuck up

at 3am when i was finishing this youtube video and then uh i was googling i've been really homesick uh recently and so i was looking up up local business drama in my area. There's so the best, the best. Well, not the best. I mean, it's it's this is all upsetting. Like inter-business drama or like consumer beefs with the businesses? There's just always I feel like it happens everywhere. But the Boston ones always really make me laugh of just like weird small business drama.

And the best one there's like this is a pretty well-known one at this point. But the Cat Cafe in Boston that was like run by a woman who didn't care about cats and was like there. So I googled cat cafe drama Boston, and that brings you to a slew of incredible short histories of just it was just a local Massachusetts woman who wanted to start a cat cafe. But guess what? She didn't know how to take care of cats. Cat lovers immediately got angry at her. And she just continued to double down. And it was just like real New England mom on Facebook energy where she would post these like screeds from the cat cafe page being like, everyone who thinks I don't know how to take care of a cat is a hater. And like it was and it went on for years and years. He's a vet.

Right. Right. When it's like all these people she was working with were like you shouldn't be running a business about cats uh and so it went on for years my brother used to live near the cat cafe so i relived that drama and then also the puppet theater i used to work out in boston was embezzled from by its own managing director so i was catching up on that drama there's just my my search i'm i don't know my algorithm is is fucked for life what a mix of good and bad news you just hit us with there's a lot going on yeah on on my google page how much can you embezzle out of a puppet theater

all of it i guess uh like is there a dollar amount attached to what had happened? No, they, it was kept pretty quiet. It was, I was, I don't know why I, I was just like on one and I like contacted

all my Boston media contacts to be like, why aren't people reporting on the puppet embezzlement? And then I did a bunch of, this is like a month ago, but I did a ton of research. I sent it to my friend

and she was like, um, I'll see what we can do. But it's,'s uh the dots are just there waiting to be connected you just gotta go through it here it is i'm just like what kind of person do you need to be to embezzle from a fucking independently run non-profit puppet theater that's the worst fucking kind i feel like you've got to be a bad guy in a muppets movie like that's right yeah that's the premise from a puppet right i was so upset about it and i was like people in boston should be so mad that people stole for someone stole from a puppet theater but it was like someone at the top was just like

taking money out of the out of the cash box like what was your connection to the puppet theater just like one you went to? Or were you involved? Well, she used to embezzle from it. I used to work there. I interned there in college. And then I worked there for a little bit. It's a great puppet theater. It seems like they're going to be okay.

But I'm still on their email list. And a month and a half ago, they sent out this wild email that was just an update on the embezzlement scandal. I was like, oh! Because usually it's like like do you want to watch shadow puppets on zoom and i'm like no but um so there's you know just a little a little bit of local drama to make me feel closer to home nice uh what is something you think is underrated um chromatica oreos has anyone i feel like have you talked about chromatic pink and green uh we have not no but i've noticed how you're steady been posting some just wonderful snack foods on your social media uh to the point where i'm like okay it's this is becoming aficionado levels of food that she's like picking up so

is it just the color is there something new what's what's going on with chromatica i'm just surprised that more people weren't talking about chromatica oreos because it's a ridiculous premise if you don't know what chromatica oreos are they're oreo tie-ins to lady gaga's album that came out a year ago. Shit, okay. Really unclear why these exist, but she announced last month, it was also a really funny announcement video because she posted on Twitter a video of her fully lying down, giving it 2%,

being like, by the way, Chromatica Oreos are coming out soon. And everyone was like, hold on, what? Oh, wow, you're not lying. This screen was like, hold on. What? Wow. You're not lying. This screen cap is her laying on a bed like this. Like getting a massage or something. And she's like, yeah, guys, check this out. I don't know.

I'm laying down. She's got to save up her energy to be the most extra person. Most extra person of all time at an inauguration or just anywhere in public. I really wanted but then it was like she she announced them and then no chromatica oreos for a long time and i was like i feel like i i follow the people on twitter who would have found them right and then finally we found chromatica oreos we got six packs of chromatica oreos and now they're just gone they're done right they're lost to time.

Wait, they're all gone? They didn't hit shelves? Because I was actually listening to Who Weekly, and they were saying that they are on a slow drip where they released the small individual sized, and then pretty soon it's

going to be... Are they going to release boxes? What do you have, the silver pack or the pink pack? I have... The silver, like the six cookie sleeves. The silver, yeah. So we went to 7-Eleven and we cleared them out of Chromatica Oreos, which was fucked up. But then once their display was gone, it was just gone

because I was going to go back and be like, what's going on with the Chromatica Oreos display? Could I take it off your hands? But it was just gone because we i was gonna go back and be like what's going on with the chromatica oreos display could i take it off your hands um but it was already gone so i'm glad to i'm glad to hear that they are coming back because they were good i think that they were just like golden oreos that were dyed pink right but they have and then it has this little um i think they talked about this on who weekly too they They have like a little QR code that you scan and then you can make Lady Gaga say a message to you. Hell yeah. And the messages they played on Who Weekly were like,

you can do anything. Like people say things are impossible, but they're not. Everyone, yeah. Mine was kindness rules all. That's like, thank you, Lady Gaga Chromatica Oreos. That pack, 20 bucks is the cheapest I'm seeing it on eBay. What the fuck? And also Oreos on eBay.

That's a new level. I don't even know if I'm there. I hope that your children, grandchildren go like, what's all this stuff in your closet, grandma? It's these stuffed bears and Lady Gaga Oreos like they're supposed to pay for your college this is my beanie babies oh i'm seeing the the pink pack wow wow wow people are really selling their chromatica oreos on i'm telling you the reseller market the rese every game up. $75? Every game is fucked up because of reselling. Wow.

What happened to fans just having the shit because they loved it? I did save all of my wrappers. We just put them in a drawer. But you did eat them. Yeah, I ate them. Okay. I ate every single Chromatica Oreo and I had like 40. That's one of the lyrics from that Faith Hill song, right? Eat every single

Chromatica Oreo. Don't just say it. What is something you think is overrated? Okay, this is an inauguration related one. I think it's overrated when there are these events where there would normally be people and then there's not people. So they just put little items where the people would normally be. I don't like it, especially when they did it with the flags. It made it it was really bleak. I'm like, this looks like a memorial. Yeah, it looks like a memorial. Like in a way, then it's like it's not the funniest one.

I just thought that was like a little like it was just bizarre to keep cutting to like a field full of flags right 200 000 flags isn't it yeah i'm like first of all like can we use that money for literally anything else and then just not have that shot it was all left over from like melania's public events i think we got a bunch of flags man how did we that was so that was i don't like it but the funniest one um i was watching the the new year's the time square new year's eve coverage a couple weeks ago and were either of you watching it uh i watched no i watched one that was like a live stream at nine o'clock pacific time but i didn't there was so there the time square it was i mean it was obviously dystopian but it was sponsored completely by um planet fitness for some reason it was like new year's eve brought to you by planet fitness and where and where the people were they had

planet fitness wacky inflatable arm guys just going all night it was so i really don't i that was the funniest shit i've ever seen in my life but i just think it's a weird i'm like we know that there's not people there you're not tricking me into being like wow what a full inauguration damn time square is packed right now also what a misguided what a misguided sponsorship that's like yeah that's the thing that you worry about the morning after new year's eve that's some yeah that's someone having like christmas tree cleanup themed christmas decorations it's like that's not what we're here for also it's like uh no one should be going to fucking planet fitness right now anyways like what are we oh it was really funny though i'll send you a picture someone in the c-suite at planet fitness

was probably like look dude joe biden's gonna be president the pandemic's gonna finally end and people are gonna be flooding back into gyms we gotta get ahead of it and get our name out there new year's because you know the resolutions that's when we do our business and with biden in office it's gonna be like a light switch boys i'm telling you like i think there's some it's so aggressively misguided like to your point of yeah i mean i guess some states yeah like they are they're a little bit more relaxed because the situation might not be as dire so people can patronize a gym or go to a gym but like shit from my from out here i'm like you can't even fucking go outside tell you who was more relaxed was garth brooks at the inauguration just walking around without a mask on just

fucking talking right at the president's face like a yeah like a trump just a bringing a little piece of americans who refuse to wear masks to uh to the. Yes, everyone that was water-represented. What a wild energy. When he was trying to make that thing happen, when he was like, all right, sing with me. Sing with me. It sounded like a Vic Berger video. It sounded so like, just like you could hear his mouth sound.

You could just hear his lips smacking together. You're like, sir, it's a nice idea, but it's not working. i mean look i'm not gonna lie i started singing it oh i did yeah i was like and that feels right this feels right and then i was like they're mad she's like what are you what are you doing like nothing nothing you're singing with garth brooks you want a sunny side egg or what okay um that was a bad an objectively bad performance of amazing grace like i can think of i think like at 40 of the u.s population would have done a better job but my four-year-old was like can you put this song on my uh playlist because i think like hearing someone who is

bad, who is like a mediocre singer sing it, you really like it shows off the quality of the song for some reason. Hey, anyone can get down with this one. There was a bright side. Yeah. My kids also thought I was like, come look at the

new president and they heard, come look at the new present and they heard uh come look at the new present and they thought they were getting a present and so most of the inauguration was a bit of a meltdown yeah uh all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back i've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you.

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Alright, you go first. Who are you going to do an impression of? No. I was like, come on in. what were you guys's thoughts it was fine i don't know i'm i i think to me i was just like i'm glad he said white supremacy the words out loud uh i don't think i don't think a president's ever said that especially during an inauguration so uh cool but it's more like you know it just i don't know i was trying to take the moment for what it was like truly just to you know i i wasn't

really able to relax after the election because i'm like i don't know because you know because everything that fucking went down in between then and today um and i was like until i see this motherfucker truly just turn into a tiny dot on a plane and vanish into the sky i'm like i don't know what to feel so aside from like my immediate worry for the future of the country i tried to just let it be a pleasant moment where there was trying to be some sense of like order again in terms of like how this this thing worked over there in dc so that was i think more than anything i was just like that the energy i was taking in more than like the individual uh details for sure yeah i felt a relief when it hit noon and biden didn't get

arrested by q and the q anon people were real fired up but also that was when Trump no longer had access to the nuclear codes you see the video where they were walking the football in? No I'm not lying that was truly the moment I was like oh my god okay there it is there it is yeah just the time

changing on my phone was like yes okay we can breathe a sigh of relief yeah and then begin to inhale a breath of air to right like making sure this guy delivers on a lot of the shit that he promised people but yeah in the moment it felt nice and amanda gorman shout out to her poet lord oh my god yeah it's very She's a star, is what I said when she came on. Her presence, though. That girl's going places.

She's a star. Look at this one. Kids, you should watch her. She's a kid, too. Look at her. This could be you. Yeah, I did think she was younger than she is. I was like, this child has more presence than anybody else, but she's 22.

I got very nervous when i saw bill clinton talking to her alone afterwards i was like can we like take no shut it down you didn't see the secret service guy tackle her you're like you're like get down get him out of here yeah there was a whole just seeing it was also just weird to see like the the passage of time that had occurred because i vividly remember watching the inauguration four years ago in my underwear and it was raining in la and i was like jesus fucked up where we go and that american carnage fucking speech he gave and it was like yeah i don't know like then to realize that that we had gotten past it and but all the damage that was done i don't know it was it was it was a lot of

it was just very surreal i think to see it all happen yeah yeah yeah definitely some relief and then other stuff that's just like god damn it there's so much to do like and there's so much to like hold to account that's why i think it's important to like treat this at least one day uh you know as we record this it's still inauguration day but like just to fucking remember like okay that that actually we can punctuate the end of that administration yeah and like feel the relief of that and then still just be like okay but now you know keep the strength up to not just completely go back to normal because the media is like love they're starting out like it's fucking 2011 again like this narrative yeah yeah they're like whoo

glad that was over like they're yeah that no back to brunch i mean it goes without saying that like that is garbage but you know it's a good week to join your local tenants union yeah um the uh we've been talking about just overall like the the idea that or i've been talking about this uh the the idea that the presidency is sort of a blend of the monarchy and actually having power to end the world. And that was, man, they really, just the way that all the pomp and circumstance that goes into that, it really drives it home,

the God-ordained religious nature of religious nature of let me pray on a gutenberg bible right yeah i'm just like okay the the political theater is a bit much especially in a year that's been all political theater and like bad community political yeah i was kind of bummed out and not like but like because i'm I'm like, Oh, they're saying to these gone, but like truly Trump just took such a dump on the idea of what this thing is that like, it kind of helped like wash away any magic or mystery that I was sort of like, I'm like, okay,

cool. Like here we go with the fancy fanfare and all this other stuff that it, for whatever reason, like I just became more cynical looking at it or just have the feeling of like it's, it's the value has been diminished to the point where it looks like meaningless. that for whatever reason, like I just became more cynical looking at it or just have the feeling of like, it's the value has been diminished to the point where it looks like meaningless. I liked Bernie. I feel like Bernie Sanders's vibe

was the most appropriate of anyone up there looking like he just came from a Burlington coat factory just with some, yeah. He had mittens on. I am also- I were knit by like a teacher in vermont who like yeah yeah super dope and the all the other presidents had on those like oj isotoner uh black leather gloves that i'm always how did those last how are they still like the de facto cold weather glove for people uh are they comfortable? I've never worn leather gloves.

Oh, you simply must try them. You know what's so funny? My mom got like a promo pair for some movie because she always gets all this stuff from junkets. Whoa. Hold on. I have a pair. That's a sinister thing to send someone a pair of leather gloves.

Was it for the people versus oj something no it's for this tv show fargo okay yeah no they are crime they're they're perfect gloves but like that does make sense i remember seeing them like what is this for people versus oj obviously but yo these shits are i mean it's not like they're leather on the inside they're just like fleece lined. So, yeah. But when I wear them, I feel like a cop or something. And I'm like, give me the mittens.

The aesthetic is weird. I liked Bernie's mittens. I like that he brought an envelope with him. He was like, I'm going back to work right after this. Yeah. He's like, wrap this up. The post, I'm pretty sure the last pickup point for this mailbox is in about 30 minutes. And shout out to social media. We give social media a lot of shit

for bringing about the dissolution of society, but the Photoshop game of Photoshopping Bernie onto the New York City subway, onto various places that he looked appropriate for was in full effect and well done. Hell yeah. All right, let's say peace out to that piece of shit who just left office and just kind of get our heads around

where he's at, because he wasn't at the inauguration, which was nice. Thank God. Thank God. You read the room? Yeah. And got the fuck out of here. which was nice thank god thank god you read the room yeah and got it was i didn't i didn't realize how i like how glaring his absence would be um after i don't know i was just like oh you really do notice when every other living president is sitting there and the worst person on earth is

is not sitting there right yeah why don't you Biden acknowledged like in Jimmy Carter can't be here but because he's 900 years old right but but he did not acknowledge that he did shout out Mike Pence but yeah and that's salty punk motherfucker you worked with I get I forget name, but he's not here. It was satisfying seeing Pence get in the Suburban and go away. That was nice. I didn't even wake up to watch the Trump, like, get the fuck out of here fest. I mean, I just saw a couple pictures and I'm not really interested in or give a fuck about what he said because peace the fuck out. But I know that the very least he did vow to return yeah um and then the other thing that was

coming along with that is that you know he's also been talking about splitting off third party talk now making the patriot party and really taking his little fucking misinformed misinformed humanoid toys of supporters and making his own little thing so that'll be interesting because that would be look a split GOP whatever movement great figured like I'd love to see them try and unify

against anything but who knows I mean but they're more alike than they are dissimilar so at the end of the day it's more just like the GOP just wasn't outwardly racist enough for. Yeah. I am now, I now have like a visceral reaction to when anyone uses the word unity.

I'm like, Hmm. Sounds like something disingenuous is on the way. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. Let's unify with fascists. Sure.

Yeah. But I mean, if, if that does happen, then that also opens it up for actual progressives to break off from the democratic party which would be uh yeah and then you'd be like oh now what you're gonna do because now we've got y'all yeah yeah um but so you know he's down in florida now uh and he's you know the new reality uh that he's dealing with is setting in for him uh one thing that's gonna hit well

yeah you'd hope so i mean it kind of has to because he's facing legal challenges and financially he's kind of fucked right oh yeah i think golf courses are just been fucked by the pandemic um and basically anything that has the word trump on it is just toxic and going into a death spiral. You know, like the places that were making money throughout, you know, despite his brand toxicity and all that was Bedminster in New Jersey and Mar-a-Lago and the Trump Hotel in D.C. because they were sort of like these places where everyone would be like, oh, dude, if you hang out around there, like there's a chance you'll intersect with someone in the administration. And that's like where the power brokering was happening but now that that shit's poof like they're like they're like oh fuck that like that might as well just be an abandoned

like fucking halloween store or some shit so now and see all these problems were before he tried to skull fuck the capital with the insurrection so on on top of that, there's all this other fallout. So his 40 Wall Street property tenants are just fleeing. Girl Scouts of America are gone. The PGA is like, dude, we're not doing anything with you at any of your golf courses. The city of New York's terminating all kinds of contracts with him. And more than anything, it's the fact that he has no banks that will actually help him like his biggest creditor deutsche bank who does literally business with anyone fucking terrorists

narco traffic or whatever the fuck anything like we don't give a fuck if you can be clever with it we'll turn the other way they're like sorry um we can't really lend to you anymore and right now he's got about half billion dollars in bills okay to two lenders most of it is owed to deutsche bank and you know he these these loans are guaranteed by by trump himself meaning his personal assets could be at stake if he defaults right um so you'll love to see it you'll love to see it i yeah i mean deutsche bank uh dropping out on him i mean i'm i'm glad i honestly wasn't sure if that was ever going to happen because they've been in business for so long at this point this is that was beautiful that was beautiful to see yeah the thing that i think is weird right because he only they they estimate

he's got maybe what 150 million in cash so to make up to that other 350 that's going to require a fire sale or some other dark shit i don't know like if that means monetizing your knowledge of you know being in office and trying to sell that to people or whatever the fuck that means count on the good will goodwill of vladimir putin i can't imagine you'd think this if he thought the wires were tapped at trump tower oh yeah the 2015 right i can't imagine that bro i don't think he can even fart without fucking three feds like listening so i'm hoping for him like a uh lbj stylepresidency. LBJ, like the day he left the office, was like, all right, I'm going to start smoking again.

I'm going to start drinking heavily and was like gone in a couple of years. Just like couldn't hack it. And like when you see pictures of him, he has like a mullet and like long fingernails and was just like completely fell apart uh fingernails yeah um the other thing though i just to dunk on him one last time you know because i think we need to dunk on this fucking shitty fucking guy as many times as possible um is his legal troubles let's not forget the legal shit he's facing new york it's ugly the new york attorney general manhattan da they're all looking into the trump administration um or the trump organization for tax shit the manhattan da is building a criminal case around that oh that's not pardonable

um he also has death all the defamation lawsuits from the sexual assaults he's been accused of let's not forget all of that shit that he doesn't have the henchmen the agents of fuckery to delay this shit anymore like he's just a regular violating piece of shit now and he's exposed on top of that the washington dc attorney general is looking into stuff around the inaugural committee and all the financial shit that was going on there then the attack on the capital right okay like that is another thing the fucking dominion voting machine stuff dominion suing him are the dominion suing sydney powell for a billion dollars yeah so he is i don't i did a proper fucked i think is the word by all traditional measures. And you know what? I will say this. I hope

there is justice or whatever. At the very least, him doing a MyPillow infomercial where he plays Vano White to Mike Lindell Pat Sajak. It would be so fitting that he becomes second fiddle to somebody just to do commercials or some shit.

I feel like he'll probably try to do his own kind of shitty masterclass thing. He'll try to pull one of those. He's done that 500 times and now he's got this whole other level of evil clout. How to destroy the world masterclass.

Things are on the table. People have been so... They fell for his Trump University. There was a guy, there was an article in reuters at ap about someone who was grifted by a guy trump pardoned who like he's like but i support the president and he pardoned the guy who took my life savings they're like uh-huh and yeah i mean there does seem to be you know obviously like like we were mentioning up top like america full of systemic racism passive status quo white supremacy none of that is changing without the hard brutal work you know that's the status quo it takes pain to make that change but

in terms of like the the racists who felt empowered and like legitimized by the trump presidency there does seem like there's like an a uh very immediate reaction of either crawling back in their holes or being like but what what happened like they're you know they're still the people we we talked about how q isn't going anywhere q anon isn't going anywhere but there are like a lot of posts from people in the q forums who are like i mean there's legitimately a post that says huh i guess we were wrong like there the guy says fuck this sham i want to puke like it just i couldn't i couldn't stop reading these screen caps from q forums of where's the damn storm what happened why didn't the plan work the number one

post on the q anon like what their version of reddit is just a guy's question mark guys? That's beautiful. It's also nice to see or kind of heartening to see that deplatforming really does do something to properly deplatform. I'll never get over how long it took all the

social media billionaires to deplatform Trump, but it's had an immediate effect. Yeah, it really has. It's, and it's, I mean, didn't, what's his name? Watkins made a post as well. Who's Watkins? The, Ron Watkins, the guy that people say is Q.

Is Q, yeah, yeah. And he's just like, well, the vibe of the post was like QAnon was, it was more about the friends we made. Yeah, he legitimately said QAnon. I actually have it here. Ron Watkins, major QAnon booster, who some suspected of being Q himself, posted a note of resignation on his Telegram channel. And his quote, we have a new president sworn in and it is our responsibility as citizens to respect the constitution as we enter into the next administration please remember all the friends and happy memories we made together over the past few years what a

piece of shit trying to act like it wasn't made around along the way yeah but also now to act like it wasn't. Literally the friends we made along the way. Yeah. But also now to be like, let's respect the Constitution. I don't want any liability here. The words I'm saying is play nice now, even though we were fucking gassing y'all up on this bullshit. I love also in that screen grab you have from that Q forum where someone was like, to any

and all federal agents browsing this website, every post I have ever made is satire. Yep. They're doing that thing. Everyone's just adding brackets on Minecraft. You may not use my posts to incriminate me. Not fair. Not fair.

I am sovereign. There's just one section. That's an example of when you get a little too let's get loud and then things get bad. That was cute. Let's get loud and then get bad uh there's a there's one section i just want to read word for word well i'm the official laughingstock of my family now awesome and then someone this is embarrassing uh here come all excuses now and then somebody uh was responding to a comment so where is the shock and awe question mark and i guess this was like at 11 30 and this person responded q also said noon exclamation

point i will start kicking people kicking people for their attitudes we are patriots you stand here and hold the line with us or or you can leave your choice. And noon came and went and went farting. He was not heard from. Let's final one. And that is OMG. None of this was real. I mean,

you know what though? If you have somebody that is willing to own up that day, they came this far and it didn't happen um you know maybe just be like okay so do you want to talk about how you want to make amends now that's the thing i'm trying to figure out right because if yeah clearly there are people who are like truly are like what the fuck right i played myself i there i feel like there has to be a way to like you want to capitalize on that energy to try and get people to return to the information age on some level. But Jesus,

I do want to just play this one thing of this QAnon guy who's so disappointed at noon, who is posting and just like, come on guys. Like let's, let's just stay together. Well, Patriots,

we're all probably doing the same thing, watching this inauguration. You know, we've been told to watch it carefully because a lot of it could be nonsense, fake. You know, only, Scott McKay, they've all told us that this thing has to go all the way through for it to be completed. The inauguration has to be completed. Before Trump makes a move. Right, right. So I think we're all sitting here waiting, waiting for something to happen. I don't think this is over yet, fellas.

Guys and girls. Fellas. Be safe. Oh, nice. Oh, nice. Oh, okay. Thank you for being inclusive. Thank you for being inclusive. What about the non-binary Q people?

No? Okay. Just making sure. Where Q stands on that. All right, ladies and gentlemen. But wow. Yeah, they were really, the goalposts were shifting. And like, there were some other like people on twitter who were monitoring it in real time showing that they're like there was a there was like a very distinct moment at noon where a couple people

tried to push the goalposts even further and people like no fuck this and like i just started devouring the fucking like the threads don't worry about it he's just running late military precision my ass i do wonder like if there's they're like there's a clear need to like do some mass de-radicalization uh especially for people who are newly um saying like holy shit everything that i have been like burning every bridge in my life and giving into every prejudice i've ever had was based on this gigantic lie and it's like i mean it's not it's not i i wonder if there will be some sort of figure or ideology that emerges that is actually helpful in de-radicalizing i don't i don't know it's so like what what is gonna what are which direction are these people going to go?

Right. There does seem like some of the institutions are losing momentum. Like even Fox News is now like it's always way out in front first in the ratings and now it's lagging. It's third ever since the election. I think just the fact that they don't have a coherent truth, they can kind of rally behind like they're the news part of their reporting, like the stuff that happens during the day just now completely contradicts the stuff that they're saying at night. the stuff that they're saying at night um tucker carlson is usually way out front number one in the ratings he's now like fourth um and yeah i mean that you're you're seeing even like polling shift around about 20 of republicans say they approve of conviction in the latest poll uh conviction of donald trump in the uh in the senate which is an increase from 14 of republicans saying that uh just like a week before and that's that's you know the the fact that it's moving in that direction as we get further

away from the event is i think somewhat significant right yeah yeah i mean it you'd hope and that's probably like the self-preservation mechanism of a lot of these fucking ghouls who are just absolute monsters the last couple years being like okay i'm gonna lean hard into this thing and then maybe that will absolve me or at at least people will weigh that against, you know, the, all the dumb shit I did, because like, we have this weird thing in America too, where like, you could have a lifetime of being racist, but you could be like, no, you know what? I think black lives matter. And suddenly it's completely erased your history or like how you've spoken about things. Not that people can change, but there's a very cynical way of like trying to suddenly be like, no no i'm on this

side to try and appear like you have been correct and i maybe there's that and maybe we just benefit from that that they just they so badly want to hide their own sins that they they're just like fuck it i'll vote for impeachment um but then we will continue to pretend i'm sure a lot of people continue to pretend or treat those their fellow senators congress people like oh that was so great of you to do that even though like you raw rod the insurrection and we almost yeah all got got right that's i mean and that's what's so infuriating about the unity message that's being made literally two weeks after a violent insurrection like fuck off you know like fuck off yeah um yeah that's never not going to be fucking infuriating guys hug this weed whacker that's on hold it real close to your face kiss

it kiss the weed whacker unity with it no it's fucked no like turn it off or take the gas out and then maybe we can talk right yeah it's it's so frustrating and it's like and i it's so frustrating to have like people in your life who are like why aren't like come on let's all let's all hold hands like it's gonna be fine it's like that that's not that's not two weeks later language period like yeah i need to i need to check in with my family member who went q and stopped talking to all of us i wonder how she's doing today yeah i mean there were a few people text people who are like on like extremism twitter and they're like you know if if someone reaches out to you who went q and tries to come back like try maybe make it if it feels sincere maybe you have a

chance at it but you never know but it's like it's weird now that we're also finding you know trying to find like our empathy for these people who were completely lied to but the but the fallout of their misinformation diet was translating into direct violence it's it's all like a very fucking weird it feels like a fucking comic book or like right like a damon lindelof show where like we're having to now deal with all these people who are like wearing white all the time and not talking and smoking cigarettes i'm like okay hey um you done black pilling right a second can you right let's be happy i don't know who how do we

how do i do this it's hard yeah it's it it's hard because you it's it's like it feels like basically impossible to it. It seems like, OK, maybe I'm off here, but just the way even the tone of like the embarrassing messages on those forums is like, oh, we were wrong. So like, sorry, our bad. Forgive us right away. And it's like that can't be how it goes. But then like, how do you access your empathy to like get there but it's like it's i don't know just the expectation of like oh whoopsies i have been part of a violent death cult for four years and saying the most fucked up shit you can imagine and believing it and now whoops i'm sorry so you have to forgive me right away uh or i said i was wrong like yeah yeah it just feels like i don't know just like forgive me i'm sorry so you have to forgive me right away uh or i said i was wrong like yeah yeah it

just feels like i don't know just like forgive me i'm gonna fucking kill you whoa yeah kind of like i i i don't know i don't know yeah it's early doors still process it's early doors it's only fucking i day plus one. So, you know. Guaranteed, everyone's feelings are going to change on it. Yeah. I mean, I just think of how much things have shifted since the sixth of, like, our understanding of everything. What the fuck? To, like, oh, my God.

Disgusting. This is so fucked and putrid. So, yeah, we'll see. I mean, you see a lot of journalists on Twitter right now who are like, if you've got Q relatives and you've checked on them, hit me up. I'm trying to write an article on this right now. I think that's like every journalist is trying to dive

into that story. The New York Times wants to go to a Q diner to check in with all the Trump supporters. Can't wait for that episode of The Daily. We went to a Q diner. It's like, or just don't.

And they had some interesting thoughts. Like don't air them. I think they had some pretty good ideas. They just wanted better efficient government. And it turns out that they're actually really sorry. Yes. Very sorry. Be sorry.

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uh but it also seems like the more you dig into it uh the more it's a story of just a straight-up abuser. And so we are joined by super producer Ana Hosnia, who's been digging into this. And yeah, Ana, welcome. Hi, thanks for having me. Great to have you here. I say that as if I'm not always just sitting here. Rolling your eyes, turning your camera.

First time in a long time. Yeah, yeah so i mean this is one that we you know first it first started hitting was trending on social media a while back but we wanted to do some research figure out what exactly was happening um and it was something that popped up for you because you were already following uh following the woman who came forward with the screen caps, right? Oh, no. So I was following Armie Hammer on Instagram. And, you know, I started to see all this stuff come out about him on Twitter where people were saying, you know, he's a cannibal and whatnot. And I was like, what?

Like, what a weird thing to be accused of. So I was like, I'm going, I'm going to look into it. I was genuinely curious. I was like, is this person a cannibal? Like, what? He seems so, and I hate to say it, he seems very bland to me, okay? I don't know exactly when I started following him on Instagram, just at some point. And so I was like, I want to know more. And I want to understand why all these people are talking about this. So I went deep. I went very deep. I went so deep that there were a few nights I struggled to sleep because of how much I read into this.

Because at first it comes off as this joke on Twitter of like, ha ha, he's a cannibal. He can eat me. All this stuff of like, he's so hot. I have no problem with that. And it's like, okay. There is always some baseline that this is working from. So I was like, I need to understand that further. And I need to understand, are these jokes appropriate?

I truly didn't know how I felt about them. I started looking further at the screenshots. I looked more at the hashtags of his name on Twitter and on Instagram. And that took me to this woman's Twitter at House of Effie. Effie is E-F-F-I-E. So House of Effie. I recommend following her yourself if you need to also go down this hole. It is very dark. Let me just warn you beforehand. And so I started following her and she is the original person who accused him of not necessarily being a cannibal. That was just what he called himself in a screenshot. He at one point wrote, I'm 100% a cannibal. But she's the first one who accused him of basically creating an environment that led to her abuse by him. So she came out. She was,

of course, attacked by people who follow and support him by posting screenshots saying that she's lying and all this stuff that she admitted to lying but i guess there was just a lot of like photoshop work done to attack her further for coming out to talk about this abuse but if you go and follow her on instagram which i did to further kind of understand what was happening and you know i i have a my first instinct you have to believe the women like i'm sorry you know you might see this person that you thought has been so bland your whole life and just like an actor who does interesting roles but i feel like now more than ever we've learned people are not who they appear

to be and i'm not gonna diagnose him i don't know what's going on with him he does seem to have a lack of care of the situation. He has come out and called all these accusations bullshit. But it appears that Armie Hammer has a... He's into a kink known as CNC, which is consensual non-consent. And so he likes to engage in Dom submissive relationships with women who I believe at the time are consenting to be in a relationship with him because he is who he is and he is very charming. And that unfortunately led to a bunch of women being manipulated, gaslit, and abused by him. And I'm not saying, I'm not kink shaming. CNC play, it's also known as rape play. If both parties are consenting to this,

there is nothing wrong with that. That is their business. It's not our business to judge them for having this kink that they like to take part in. It is what it is. People enjoy certain things, and they get off on certain things. And situations like this, too, it like ends up harming those entire communities and attaching like further stigma to kink communities for people who are like doing it safely and with consent and not on this fucking power trip. Right. So the problem with Armie Hammer that we learn in this screen in these screenshots is he does not use safe words, which I read further is if someone asks you to take part in something like this, this sort of kink, and does not allow you to have a safe word, huge red flag, because you need to be able to protect yourself and you need your boundary set.

It can lead to places that you can get hurt. You have to be able to say no and have the other person hear you. So he does not work with safe words. He also did not provide much aftercare for these women. And, you know, I'm going to get a little graphic. This included putting a belt around their neck and clasping it, you know, cutting them with knives and sucking their blood, like very cannibalistic things that have been, you know, like dropped out because of like the media loves to pick these little nuggets. One of his ex-girlfriends, she's an app founder, the Flash D app. I'm not really that familiar with the app. Courtney Vusakovich, she came out and talked to Page Six about her

relationship with Armie Hammer and how it basically led her having to go into a program for PTSD and trauma after dating him because it was just such an unhealthy, toxic relationship. The headline of her article said that he wanted to barbecue and eat me. That's missing the point. There was serious abuse going on and that's what the mainstream media picked up. like a lot of that is happening and we need to really focus in on the actual abuse, the gaslighting, the manipulation, the lack of care for these women that he's engaging in the CNC play with. And House of Effie is the one who kind of she came out and kind of spearheaded this conversation. But many women have reached out to her and she's posted a lot of anonymous screenshots of other women. So it looks like there is a giant group of women, most of them who are too afraid to come out due to the fact that there is, you know, a power dynamic of Armie Hammer being an actor and having power and having a group of people working for him to try and

silence these accusations. So if you don't take our word for it, because you're like, I don't know, he seems this, this or that, I don't know, you know, like, go, go look at it yourself. Like when there are hundreds of screenshots telling you this person is abusing these women. I mean, I don't know, like, to me, it's pretty clear cut. Like this man is an abuser. He's a serial abuser. There's many women have come forward a lot of them have spoken out about the trauma they experienced and the fact that they would have to go to the er to deal with certain situations that he put them in yeah and the fact that he only commented on one thing which is this is bullshit i will not take these accusations seriously like

i don't know and then now it's like the the um the narrative is kind of coming back around to him giving this half-assed apology and it seems like the only thing he's really going to be taken to account for is dropping out of a fucking rom-com like yeah it's even i i especially i find the yeah the media angles that this has taken to be ridiculous like as frustrating as it is to see the the cannibal memes and all this shit it's like it's because of the headlines that are being written like no one is reading these entire stories and the fact that you are pulling out the most shocking thing about it and ignoring the fact that this is like not funny this is and i think that army hammer benefits from people doing that.

From people making it like, what a weird guy. Why would you do this? Instead of saying like Armie Hammer has been credibly accused of horrific abuse. Like it's just so weird. All the headlines that you read, even when you Google his name, is always just like, and those horrific DMs. even when you google his name is always just like and those horrific dms it's like that's where they just sort of isolate that it's like uh-oh he's on the loose with the dms and right yeah completely now i don't know if that's the the strength of coming from a you know dynastic wealthy family although i don't know he doesn't have access to that money anymore but like or that machine of

just like because it's almost like you like what you're saying. You look at him and we have this media fed like idea that like the blonde haired blue eyed white man is virtuous. And like there's a lot of hurdles to get over to be like that guy is actually just just perpetrating heinous abuse. But yeah, I don't know what I don't know what it's gonna take for the conversation to change it's almost like the cannibal thing is working on the same level he was working on to like kind of smokescreen his abuse where like the idea of kink and BDSM is a screen and that's like the the story focuses on the cannibalism and not the fact that women who were in relationships with him said they were abusive relationships and like that's kind of how he was working where he was like now i'm just like a kinky guy who is into these like very specific types of arrangements and it's like no that's how you are screening

probably from yourself and from others the fact that you're an abuser like this gq headline sums up the inability of like men to hold each other accountable i mean assuming you know it's gentlemen's quarterly but like the headline is army hammer cannibalism allegations how common is a cannibalism fetish right which is like so beside and the point it's still such a thing where it's the way that these stories like i i it's going back to what you're saying and it's just like who who are we believing and why are we believing them versus why aren't we believing other victims and yeah what does that say about like where we're at in terms of actually we believing other victims and what does that say about like where we're at in terms of actually believing victims of abuse and it seems like part of the

reason no one was believing um house of effie at the first at first is because she didn't have any power and no one knew who she was and so it was very easy especially when it's someone who doesn't have a ton of clout and power that seems to be one of the only ways to really get your story out in a meaningful way. And I find that so fucking bleak because it's like, here are a ton of women who have credible, you know, accusations against this guy,

but none of them are, you know, have a ton of power. And you always see these kind of contrarians being like, well, then why didn't they like bring it to the media? Why? Like, for all we know, they fucking did. It is so hard to get stories like that reported. There are so many stories about famous men that have almost gotten reported and then they get pulled at the last second for whatever fucking reason. for whatever fucking reason and i feel like especially after like it was so upsetting but also um i don't when when fka twigs came out against shia labeouf like last month that was

a huge thing and and and i think it certainly helped that she had some power in that situation she she you know people listen to what she say because she has a certain amount of clout and she has a certain amount of people who are going to listen to what she has to say. But I don't think that that is always extended to just normal people who are like so often the victims of abuse. I just fucking hate it, man. Like if you ever have the thought in your head, like why didn't they just bring it to the media? It's because it's fucking impossible. It's literally fucking impossible. As someone who has tried time and time again to get stories like this broken, it's a miracle when it actually happens.

Yeah. Yeah. It is. So also another big thing is like when people say, well, why didn't they leave? Why didn't they stop? It's not simple like that. Yeah. You're talking about a person who preyed on also younger, more vulnerable people. Like when you're stuck in this sort of toxic relationship, it's not like, it's not easy.

There's nothing easy about it. It's not so black and white. Like you can't just be like, I don't know, that made me uncomfortable. I'm out. Some people might be able to, but some people cannot. So you have to respect that they're in their own position trying to figure something out. And it looked like it took House of Effie years to come out about this, years to try and discuss this. And I think a lot of the women still feel like they can't come out about it because they're so scared because the power dynamics are so unbalanced like you can't i don't know you can't blame these people for you know not being able to get out of a toxic situation on top of them you can't on top of that you can't blame them for not being able to come forward sooner

the second it happened you know it's just you're put in an impossible situation and it takes a lot of strength to put yourself forward like house of effie did um we don't know this woman like we don't know her name exactly like she is keeping herself private for a reason while at the same time being followed by almost 70 000 people and yet this is still not mainstream news 70 000 people are reading what she's writing and following her and yet still not mainstream news it's just all about how like he's got a fetish yeah yeah it just it just like i mean these headlines i feel like just say everything about like well is this you know i i hope that this story continues to get like

actually responsibly covered but so far there's just fucking nothing i think it's you know we have these sort of inabilities to describe things as they are we have a media apparatus that isn't equipped to talk about consent to talk about abuse to talk about white supremacy to talk about a lot of these things so like it ends up and it's like oh some charged language from the president because you don't you don't have the actual critical thinking or the experience to like, look at it and say, Oh no, this is,

I need to describe this as it is rather than like euphemistically, because there's a pattern, I guess in the culture of like reporting on these things in this country to be very euphemistic. And yeah, like it's the, like the balance of headlines that are actually, you can tell

they're trying to indicate like there are elements of abuse allegations in this story that actually need to be looked at and ones that are like whoa like wild man army hammer admits to secret instagram account that's from two days ago you know what i mean yeah and it's weird because this a lot of these are also coming from like the tabloids who like were loving him before you know what i mean like oh look at him he's like blah blah boy love his picturesque family that you can tell like they're it's like they're having trouble putting this person down or like understanding how severe the situation is versus just pivoting to like the easy headline that sort of ignores how serious something is yeah and i also

just want to say to me like the most telling thing is just kind of the lack of shame coming from him like he all these screenshots we're looking at they're from his verified instagram account yeah he doesn't care like he's i don't know what his situation is. Again, I'm not going to diagnose this guy. I'm just saying his actions are also very telling to me. He's just kind of acting like, well, shit. And to me, it's like, okay, if I was accused of abusing someone and I – look, who knows how I'd react? But I would react. I don't know. To me, it feels like I don't know what this guy's deal is, but it feels so flippant the way he's acting about it. And that's like, and I'm truly going off what I've read in the tabloids of how people have been seeing him acting. So I don't, again, I don't know anything. But like, to me, it's like, that's, that's not good. We shouldn't have someone who's so like that's a scary thing like that's a scary person

to be out on the streets like to me in my opinion because like it makes me incredibly uncomfortable again like i told you when i first dived deep into this it fucked me up you you just you feel like you just never know who people are and this situation just has scared me in a way of like who are these people hiding in plain sight? And we should be more diligent in pointing out abuse like this because we need to protect people and we need to protect women who, again, women, we get murdered by men. Like, it's not even a joke. Like this, we don't know what could have possibly happened between Army and these women. We don't know what could have possibly happened between army and these women we don't know anything there could be women who are so truly abused that cannot speak out like i feel like this is there's this is just like truly the tip of the iceberg in my eyes like

i hope more women can come out but it's a dark place and i just also want to point out when you are tweeting this kind of stuff of like, he can eat me. Like you are doing that in spite of these women who suffered abuse from him. So just think about that before you just call him a cannibal and try and laugh about it. Because like, I can't even imagine what these women are going through and how like much of a meme this turned into.

yeah. So I, sorry, I've been deep guys. And, and uh i just want this to be taken seriously yeah yeah and it's also like a very harsh reminder that there that there are only certain kinds of victims of abuse who are made space for in the media and even that is new like having space for victims of abuse at all but this story just clearly indicates that there is not you know that there it's i feel like there's just still a lot of attention given to

quote-unquote the perfect victim and there that's not how it works that's not how the majority of abuse goes and just like educate yourself on this shit because this like this media narrative is helping literally just Armie Hammer. His career should be fucking over, but all he had to do was drop out of a single movie. Like if his career rebounds from this, I'm fucking joker-fying. Yeah.

Yeah. It's not okay. Yeah, I mean that also goes back to kind of one of the amount of incentive that is there for each actor at this level is kind of their own corporation that has

people whose entire job is to make sure they get that next role so they can get their next paycheck and so they're I like their next paycheck. And so there, you know, I think one of the tweets was, yeah.

And then he benefits from the most nepotism. Oh yeah. Person can benefit from. Right. He is. Yeah. He comes from generational wealth. He comes from that whole like level of privilege and just removal from any sorts of

consequences or the reality that the rest of us deal with. He's a six, four, like good looking guy. So he has that going like that against his ability to experience reality. And then he has an entire, you know, a company of people around him who are working around the clock to make sure that he is marketable.

So, like, it's just the levels are incredible. And, yeah, thank you, Anna, for, you know, doing the research and coming on. Of course, I want to add one thing. Now, you know, after having watched Call Me By Your Name and really thinking about it in retrospect, it does come off as a movie that is about grooming. And grooming a young man to be the love interest of this older man. And I don't know. These things are not sitting right with me anymore now that I'm making all these connections. I don't like this. And I think we need to pay attention to that.

And we need to pay attention to the work they're making and be like, well, what's going on here? Because I'm just saying we need to be asking questions. Even when you're Armie Hammer, you don't just get away with it. There has to be a ton of complicitness going on around you in order for things to stay quiet this long like it's yeah stories like this are so fucking depressing because you just you know that there's just so many of these stories that literally cannot get out because of the systems that um that kind of keep victims oppressed or keep them scared yeah yeah i mean who'd have thought the great grandson of a guy who's just blowing up the coal just making a bunch of coal pumping gas

like friends with al gore's dad uh like you know like leads to a culture where again it's like it's it there's like there's funnels for a lot of these people to end up like the way they are. But like when you look at this, you're like this just look, you know, when there are people who walk around here thinking they can do whatever the fuck they want. And they're in environments where they see that there are very little consequences for their actions. And then it gets to places like this, too. And then it gets to places like this, too. And also, just like you're saying, there's also just a lack of accountability with other people who are, again, don't want to rock the boat or whatever. But at the end of the day, what you're doing is you're putting someone else at risk just to save yourself the discomfort of saying what's right or actually protecting somebody. Yeah, they think they can get away with it. And for centuries they have literally. I mean, especially with like I guarantee if he gets called out on it they're like oops my bad i'm

so oh you noticed i'm sorry i'm gonna give you know i'm gonna give a thousand dollars to this place and then uh you know i i don't need to answer and i don't need to think about this critically the equivalent of yeah just being like ah you saw that huh it's like you fucking knew when you worked with you know woody in 2017, you fucking shithead. Like, it just is so, the level of disingenuousness, it's not shocking, but it's just sometimes it's so flagrant. It's just, yeah. Yeah. Ana, where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff?

I'm at Ana Hosnier on Twitter. But again, if you want to, um, learn more about what's going on, but it's very serious trigger warning. This is, um, very, very dark subject matter. You can follow at house of Effie. That's E F F I E on Instagram. Just request. You will, you will learn a lot about what's going on.

And, uh, yeah, just, you you know remember to believe women okay just believe women yeah a lot happens behind closed doors and this the way we react to it is why people do or don't speak out to talk about their own abuse so it's very important to give space and i i know it sounds like very therapy talk but it is we have to give space for these kind of things. It's not therapy. It's just like what we need to do societally to move, to advance. We need people to feel comfortable

to speak out about their abuse. But also therapy for society, too. Yes, we do need therapy. I guess it's all the same thing. Jamie, where can people find you and follow you? You can find me on twitter.com at jamie loftus help instagram jamie christ superstar and listen to alia podcast yeah yeah uh where uh is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying

yeah there are two inauguration tweets that i liked. The first one was Julio Torres, who said he's quoting Amy Klobuchar. Well, that was great. Amy Klobuchar right after J-Lo sang. Which it did fully happen. And then this one, this is hard to describe, but it's okay. This is from at sarah caplin 48 uh and it's

a picture of her cat uh as j-lo sang let's get loud and the cat wakes up like eyes wide open it's really funny uh let's get loud really uh you know it sustained it really sustained me yeah and let's get loud everybody i mean yes yeah i don't know what it is it's powerful whatever that means to you let's get loud oh i love a vague platitude anyways those are my tweets uh miles where can people find you what's tweet you've been enjoying twitter instagram at miles of gray uh also for 20 day fiance for some 90 day talk some tweets that i like one is from the at q anon anonymous from the q anon anonymous podcast they tweeted i trusted the plan and all i got was this stupid feeling uh yeah you know you hate to see it also uh another one is from at out from the zone uh it's a picture

because you know lady gaga and j-lo like greeted the national guard like on their way into the capital just you know to make nice and stuff like that but there's this photo where like it's lady gaga like in her very like this cool white thing it's not like her the dress she wore to sing she's got some like white cape coat, standing upright, and there's these soldiers right across from her, and the caption is Find Britney Spears. Free her. It just feels like they

are like, yes, okay, thank you, Lady Gaga. We will watch. I had that same picture. That's the thing the National Guard's done this year. I had that picture captioned by Mike Tagg. Find Madonna, bring her to me. Everyone's got a take on that one.

Yeah, yeah. I'll just... I liked Brendan O'Hare's tweet. Biden finds left behind Barron Trump wandering the White House halls. Hey, man. That's all. You can find me on Twitter, Jack underscore O'Brien.

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