The Daily Zeitgeist - Indecent Trendposal 9/17: Kash Patel, White Supremacy/Domestic Terrorism, Asteroid FA22, Extreme Violence on Social Media

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

In this edition of Indecent Trendposal, Jack and Miles discuss Kash Patel having some 'splaining to do in front of Congress, white supremacy and domestic terrorism STILL being America's biggest threat, Asteroid FA22 doing a close flyby (by astronomical standards), social media companies being fine hosting extremely violent content and much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ah, yes. I got a condor attitude, Miles. You do, you do. Yes, I condor that. Okay, man. That's my Australian accent. We were doing some really great accents with Gareth, man. Good accent work yesterday.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I fucked up and had to go to a neurologist to check out. got a um this is big news i've got an essential tremor which not it's not in essential it's essential baby wait what is it what is an essential tremor it's just like a tremor that you have i've always i've always had like shaky hands i think i've told you like one of the kid i and up through now and reality but i started like my head started shaking a little bit in a way like i didn't notice but my wife was like you're starting to it's getting hepburny up up in here.

Hepburny, bro. And so I went to the neurologist because I was worried that I had. Yeah, something else was going on. But it is just that same old essential tremor. Wait, so they're just like, nah, bro, that's kind of a feature for you. This is sort of a feature of your body, man. It's nothing to worry about. It was wild, though.

They, like, bring you in. They started doing all these, like, they're like, you know, we're all familiar with the bang above your knee and your leg kicks. yeah yeah five seconds later in my case because like it's like five seconds i'm just joking but oh i was like is that even possible wait wait how fast is yours oh no you can see the impulse travel up your leg to your brain like three lowest two but uh yeah so i i knew about that one there's like 20 of those shits and she she was running me through those like a fucking it was like going through the car wash like just like i was like spinning around just like closed my eyes

All kinds of different ones. You're like, is this even a test, doc? You're like, nah, I just... You're just fucking with me? Just wanted to see how good you were with a yo-yo. I'm not. I know. I can tell.

Anyway, next test. Eagle-eyed viewers on our social media clips might pick up a slight little shake of the head. Wow. Now you know. Now you know. It's just an essential part of who I am. It's a feature. It's a feature.

I like that it's like kind of accomplice. It's like it's essential. Yeah. It's kind of a nice. What does that mean in medically that it's essential? I think it's just like not going away. I don't know. I didn't look into the derivation, but I will.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, I was just happy. I remember when you said you were going to the neurologist, I was going to be like, dude, what? But I was just like, all right, well, I mean, I'm glad you shared that, but I didn't, I didn't want to delve deeper, but okay, yeah, okay, I see. I didn't notice. Oh, wow. You're just a shaky guy generally, though. I am shaky.

I'm just like shape, like personality-wise, like emotionally. I think shaky is a good way to describe me. What was it? Intentional? Intention tremor. That you had. When you have a tremor, when you're trying to do something specific, like thread a needle. And be calm.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm sorry that I kept calling you Captain Miller, which is Tom Hanks' character from Private Ryan when I saw your hands do that. That was insensitive. Yeah, yeah. Um, you just kept screaming, be calm. Yeah. Which actually makes it worse.

I go, hey, how was D-Day, Captain Miller? You hear it some ringing in here there? You can tell me to earn this? Hey, you're going to get that piece of gum out or what, dude? All right, back to the bullshit. It's great to be back. Hey, great to have you back. I'd like to say that we kept it professional yesterday, and we did mostly.

We did. I'm back and there's no more fun allowed. Fuck that. Let's talk about what is trending, Cash Patel. Yeah. The floor of the gress. Yeah. Yeah.

He had some splaining to do, as it were, as it's known legally, I guess, when you have a hearing in front of the members of the house. Splain into gress. Yeah. Dude, you got a, you got a gress spain later? Ooh, don't like that for you. But he went, you know, had to, there were a lot of topics that I think. members of Congress wanted to cover with Cash Patel, like, how are you

so bad at this being sort of the overarching theme of everything? Why are you now covering for Epstein when you used to say shit? Seems like both sides are kind of coming with that energy. Oh yeah. Because there's the people who generally have it out for him because they're

like, you're terrible at what you do and this has become such a politicized body. I don't even what the fuck this is. Then there are the people like, what's up with the Epstein shit, dude? Before he was in office, he would say stuff like, you know, they're protecting people. And I will leave no stone unturned when I, when I, you know, get my hands into these Epstein files to now being like, I found no credible evidence that Epstein was trafficking minors. Like, he said that shit out loud. The thing that he was

convicted of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. That's already just a very bizarre thing. But, yeah, the performance was terrible, but that was sort of like a certainty because he's, he's like the physical manifestation of person in over their head. with a job. Yeah. And the other thing, too, was, like, a lot of the conservatives were also asking, like, what's that up with the fucking botched Kirk investigation? You're like, live tweeting a bunch of nonsense that wasn't, like, just incorrect leads.

Yeah. Again, how are you so bad at this? He did the Goddum press conference, like three times. Spencer Cox, dude, when he did that, I was like, why the fuck are they doing Godd him? Yeah. Like, I was, I mean, Brian, the editor did share a meme where there was like a the crab rave song played after Spencer Cox said that at the press conference. But anyway, the other thing that's, I think, big news, too, is like, even now Fox News is

doing stories about how people at the White House don't like Cash Patel. Yeah, that's usually a sign. I mean, that did happen to Pete Hegseth. Like, they were like, there are concerns. And then he was able to just weather it out, you know, ride out the storm, like a ship captain who's, you know, just drunk enough. wheel. Yeah, just drunk enough for everything to work out. Yeah, but now it's like they're saying, you know, like Pam Bondi and him really don't get along. Um, and now like that there are more

questions being raised about how fit he is for office, which is just so funny. Like, you know, you could have avoided this. Well, whatever. I'm acting like they're irrational people. But like, you know, it was clear from the beginning he's not fit for office or anyone to serve under this administration, to be honest. I mean, I do, I do appreciate. he brought in the, we're going to fucking show what's what on this Epstein stuff, because I think that did help people kind of get some momentum on that story. Before he then, you know, every aspect of, like, him being as incompetent and, like, bad at messaging as he is, has been a good thing for people who, you know, oppose the Trump

administration and, you know, inept, yes. Yeah, his ineptitude is good. there was somebody Al Capuchino on blue sky said Cash Patel's eyes always look like they're in horrified shock from whatever stupid thing Cash Patel's thinking. Yeah, I think that's the best way to describe. Internal struggle, don't fucking say it. Overall vibe. What did he have to say about what, like, his handling of, well, what do you have to say

about Epstein, first of all? Is he just like, yeah, there's nothing to see here? He's just, you can tell he's just been like, he's been co-opted by the board. you know and then like then arguing with Adam Schiff like he just started screaming he he just didn't he was in over his head and he couldn't say anything really convincingly and there was just a lot of yelling and at that point I was like I can't he's he's using the private jet to like go to a lot of sporting events Trump style right like that's kind of his he's not yeah he's not a serious person right I would say it comes the law yeah he was live

tweeting of the Kirk investigation, I think happened from a club. Yeah. So. And he was also like taking a bunch of FBI agents off of like serious counterterrorism shit to be like, can you like erase any stuff that says Trump? Like it just look over the documents. Just again

showing that this is, he's not there for any kind of real law enforcement purpose. It's just purely to be a sycophant and do whatever you know, Trump wills. But the freaky thing is now, is like there's a guy, the Missouri AG, Andrew Bailey, this guy is now heading, he's going to be co-deputy director at the FBI

because Bongino, the podcaster, is like fucking falling from grace because he was, I think his brain broke when he realized he was, he became the deep state and had to cover up shit. He's guys are fucking it up for us. Like, we're podcasters who had major ambitions. I wanted to head up the CIA, Miles wanted the NSA. Exactly. You guys are blowing it. As somebody, one of my dad's really good friends from high school was married to Ollie North's secretary back in the day, Fawn Hall.

Yeah, so you have the access. Oh, yeah. If you look in my background, you're going to know, I'm, I'm a, I've been a fed. You're next in line, man. I've been a fed since birth. You know what I mean? But this guy who's in the wings, he actually, people are like, be weary of this guy because he has legal experience and he has blind allegiance to Dom. Trump, which again, that's a prerequisite, obviously.

Yeah, yeah. But him becoming code deputy director could mean, you know, an assent for him. Just talking really briefly about the overall agenda of, you know, the federal law enforcement. 404 just published this article noting that the Department of Justice just removed a study that had found that white supremacy and far right violence, continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism in the United States. The study, which was conducted by the National Institute of Justice and hosted on a DOJ website, was available until September 12th, 2025.

Oh, wow. And then went away. I wonder if that was because of, this is the other thing. I mean, we'll get into that, too. But the, you know, this was like the kind of thing that made Groxay stuff. like, if you asked it, like, is the right or the left that does more violence? And it's like, the right? You fucking kidding me?

Yeah, yeah. And then Elon's like, oh, this is this cringe-worthy idiocy will be taken down. Yes, yes. The, yeah, Grogh responded when somebody asked who commits more political violence, it's, you know, the right. And it's not like exclusively the right, obviously. But it's just more, and it's more dangerous. There's, like, more to be stopped there.

And, yeah, he responded. My apologies, we are fixing this cringe idiocy by Brock, Jesus Christ. J.D. Vance, as you guys, I think, covered on yesterday's episode, talked about going after the growing and powerful minority on the far left, which since 1990 far right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more. them 520 lives is what the study said in this same period far left extremist committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives i mean this is this is the whole play you know it's like you have to completely erase any evidence of the facts that are around it but i think it's also very odd like to be like was he right or was he left was he right or was he left because regardless that's the regardless of where he lies that shouldn't the the the the the the

conclusion should then be, okay, well, all these people got to go to jail now. Right. Everybody. Everybody who says stuff like that should go to jail. Well, he was this. Charlie Kirk was if nothing else, according to Ezra Klein, a proponent of free speech. So the best way to honor that is by arresting anybody who disagrees with him. I think we can all, uh, yeah, yeah, that's very constructive, very constructive, very constructive. All right. Let's, uh, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos.

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From politics and the encroaching authoritarianism And just talk about Yeah, I guess Incru is that, does that mean it's happening? It's approaching. It's, I mean, I guess if it's,

if it's the NFL encroachment is when you've already crossed the line. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Encroaching is like, it's happening. Like, I'm picturing, you know, the zombies are closing in and we're only in one room after starting off in the whole house.

I picture the part in the Matrix where Mr. Anderson touches that little mirror thing and then it starts going up his hand. And he goes, I'm being encroached upon. You're encroaching. Yeah, yeah. So what's, let's just, let's talk about the city killer asteroid for a, like, beat. Yeah, I mean, look, we were all excited earlier this year when we thought an asteroid may just end this hell we're in.

Make this all meaningless. At least we'd be all together. But tonight, you will have a chance to pretend a city killer. asteroid may hit the earth on a live stream. Specifically, there's this huge, like, skyscraper-sized asteroid that scientists thought would hit the planet in 2089. You know, after the measurements, they're like, yeah, the shit ain't hitting. But it's coming very close.

And there is, like, you can, it's all being live streamed at like 1130 Eastern tonight and into tomorrow. They say if you have like a telescope or really good binoculars, you might even be able to see it on your own. so again it's not going to hit okay so i am picture just a giant like building-sized asteroid just floating by like clothes like over the tree tops yeah just barely just going scraping by it's technically like 50020 000 miles away but astronomically speaking that's very very close okay um but i guess also like researchers are using the fly by as like a dress rehearsal

for a, like, what would they would do in the event of an actual catastrophic impact? For 2018? Yeah, yeah. Or, I mean, like, there was that other one we thought 20, 28, 2032. And then I think now they're just like, let's make sure all, like, the programs work or systems are in place just so we know that we have a handle on this. But am I going to be able to break out my all silver, likera bodysuit, onesie? Yeah, I mean, that hasn't stopped you before. But, yeah, like I said.

It's a dress for her. for 2089. This is our son's chess tournament, Jack. He's going to be ranked in 2089, I'm telling you. All right, let's talk about, yeah, social media companies are basically fine with graphic murder videos these days. Yeah. As we talked about in the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination, just, you know, one of the

worst things that I feel like I'd seen happen was just all fucking over the place and like kind of impossible to myth. I can't think of another murder where I like learned about the murder by literally seeing it happen on social media feeds before any other details. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Videos of the shooting were just everywhere the day it happened.

And then like so the day it happened, I can see that being a thing where it's like, oh shit it like that kind of snuck through and we're working on our response to these sorts of things to clean it up they're still everywhere like they have not they've not tried to tamp this down and i feel like it's you know you just have to think about what violence is they're willing to let you see versus what violence they don't want you to see oh yeah 100% it's like you typically have to wait a long time for like a body cam thing that would maybe, you know, lead to prosecution of the police or something. But any other thing.

Like even on TMZ, there's like, there, TMZ is so fucking gross. Like everything they post, like if there's a celebrity stuff, they're just trying to get some kind of salacious or violent things. You're like, watch this trapeze artist crash to the ground. You're like, the fuck does it? You guys should be a celebrity gossip site. And now it's just like violent. Yeah, yeah.

And the whole time, we're like, what are the fucking policies? Like, aren't this, isn't shit like this supposed to at least have like a fucking content warning? But it turns out like this video, like specifically the one of Kirk falls into like some weird policy loophole where it's like, it's acceptable graphic content, but also not totally glorified violence, which is what we ban. Right. Like meta bans multiple victim violence. Right. But that feels very specific. Like, why would multiple victim violence be worse to see than this, where a...

Than a murder? Yeah, I don't know. A murder that happens from, like, a hundred different angles. And then, yeah, in other cases, apps just aren't enforcing their own policies, TikTok, even though their terms clearly don't allow gory, gruesome, disturbing or extremely violent content. They're letting it fly. Yeah. yeah this has been like a thing that's been happening too because we talked about i think earlier

in the year when people on instagram were just noticing like the reels content had just gone absolutely bonkers with like people like i think i just like eight murders yeah in one instagram sitting when i thought i was watching like knitting videos right again it's because they don't have fucking people moderating shit anymore and it's just like let it fly i mean like i think the broader implications are really kind of frightening of like if this This is like an intentional campaign to just desensitize people to, like, this kind of violence just to be like, you know, it is what it is. Just numb yourself to that. And then maybe you will, all your like sort of empathy sensors will burn out.

And then you have nothing going on because, I mean, even it was just even having to see all, like I, we said this last week, but just in the last few years, just the amount, the sheer volume of death videos I've seen on the internet are. It's like unreal. And I also realized that I was completely becoming numb to shit like that. I just didn't even know what I was looking at. I was just looking at it. Yeah, like you said, a lot of social media platforms have scaled back human content moderators and opted to use AI tools instead. So, yeah, it feels like it's just the, you know, good old fashioned deregulation.

Yeah. Where it's like, how do we make it easier on these companies that are already raking in billions of dollars a year? Right. Because look, the algorithm rewards views. And you know what? Even if the views are going on some kind of hyper violent video content, it's like, I mean, it's the algorithm. What you want to do? It's going to make it bubble up to the top so everybody sees it. Yeah. And I mean, just the number of different types. Like one TikTok video showed the shooter shooting in slow motion close up with a narrator being like, what is this black thing on his shirt? And why did it move like this before you got shot? And it was just like a fucking microphone. Yeah, like that Lavalier microphone? Okay, cool. Yeah, but I don't know. Like, experts have noted that all of this may be psychologically damaging to our society

in ways we don't understand yet, and I feel like I didn't need experts to tell me that. I'm experiencing it in real time. Yeah. You know what I mean? Between that and watching just fucked up harrowing footage from, like, Gaza and things like that, like, I'm truly, I'm like, I'm having to really think about where, how to feel like, a human again. Yeah. Because you have to compartmentalize so much nowadays, like with just being bombarded with all kinds of violent shit, you kind of lose track of where you're at. But hey, man,

they're going to do what they do. And I'm sure it doesn't help that like the Ellison's are probably going to be owning a huge stake in TikTok now. Yeah. Ellison's being the Oracle. Skydance, Oracle. Gang. Yeah. I mean, like, it's going to be a consortium. of oligarchs who are American oligarchs who are about to be like that be the majority owners of TikTok in order to circumvent the ban but Trump extended that deadline for like another three months now yeah as they try and figure out who who's going to be which billionaires will be lucky enough to own this social media platform and see what that does to our friends yeah yeah seems bad I don't know if this is a permanent thing if this is just

everybody responding in their own way to how horrifying that event was, the Charlie Kirk assassination. But like, did you see the Ezra Klein, like, op-ed? This guy who's, like, supposed to be the moral conscience of, like, the liberal party. Like, you know, the New York Times is like... According to who? I don't know. Like, I think according to it, like, that seems to be the position that he's being given by... Yeah. I mean, I see him everywhere now. The liberals. Um, but he wrote this like reflection on the life of Charlie Kirk where he like talked about how like he did politics the right way and he like talked about admiring the movement he had built which is just like what like I guess he meant the like the power that he was able to acquire without like any reflection on like why or how he did that all of these established media figures it's clear like the the assignment is to eulogize and then maybe do some light critiquing. But the first, it's like after like October 7th, where it's like, do you condemn Hamas?

Yes, yes, exactly. And it's like, what? I mean, sure, but what, what do you mean? Like, I'm talking about like a much broader issue than this like very narrow thing we're talking about right now. And now it feels like, do you condemn political violence and Charlie Kirk was a good guy? Right. And it's like, well.

them political violence. I fucking hate what happened to him and wish that hadn't happened to him. I don't think Charlie, like... Yeah, I know what he was saying was absolutely antithetical to everything I believe in the violent, like, again, smearing George Floyd, smearing gay people, trans people, immigrants, Martin Luther King. Like, his whole thing was just to say the gnarliest shit and try and normalize that kind of viewpoint. And to claim that he was their way. for in favor of free speech like did so was he in favor of those college students who were protesting the uh genocide and got was he in favor of them not being arrested and deported no

and it's also weird you see also i see this other take that people are doing that like he would not want like mass repression of free speech he would not have wanted that and i'm like well, that's probably true because he benefited from the fact that he was able to say whatever the fuck he wanted and profit from it, like narrowly for himself. Right. But like, it's just interesting to see people try and evoke those kinds of things to try and get like conservative readers to be like, and that's why like a mass repression campaign won't be good or honor anyone's memory effectively.

Charlie wouldn't have wanted this. I mean, he was already a major part of a movement that. was arresting people for saying things. Yeah. For saying things that he and they didn't like, you know? There were plenty of professors, too, you see, who are like, I'm like, I don't know what kind of free speech this is when, like, I was getting doxed by, like, the people at his organization because I was, I was talking about American history objectively and being

called, like, I'm trying to be some kind of, like, enemy combatant for merely talking about our own history. Yeah. So it's a really strange one to square. And to me, I think this is like, it just really encapsulates how much, how much power now, like, that the right has. And at least, or at least how much fear that they strike into the hearts of people to, like, all do these state approved messaging around this. Yeah, that the mainstream media can't hold those two thoughts in their head at the same time that, like, people shouldn't be brutally murdered. And also, like, that doesn't mean that.

Also, that kind of rhetoric is damaging to our society. Right, right, exactly. Yeah, I think the closest I saw people, like, I remember reading him being described as a firebrand. And I was like, wow, that's very creative. Just the euphemistic. And, like, I do think that happens in the aftermath of anyone's death where, like, you know, the obituaries of like Rush Limbaugh that come out of the day after are probably going to be pretty far from objective. But I think this is the thing. when you are on the receiving end of the shitty rhetoric and violent ideas that a person espouses

or what their values are, those people typically come. Their response is not sorrow because these are seen as vectors of introducing like the normalization of hate speech into their lives and things like that. And it's like the same way like when Hulk Hogan died, you had like wrestling fans be like, he was a legend. And a lot of black people were like, he was. racist as fuck yeah yeah you know it all depend this is this is how you know it's all subjective and to a certain extent in terms of how people view a person and what that means to them but uh the

words i would i would say were unkind because like you look at a lot of people point to like media matters and those like media sort of uh groups that like you know report on a lot of the stuff that's happening on like the the extreme right wing and like you look at just clip after clip of the stuff that he said and you're like, you're hard pressed to find a thing when you're like, oh, that was, that was a, that was a level-headed take. He was lying in many cases, like the free speech thing is like telling lies about people to dehumanize them. Yeah. Yeah. In many cases. So like that by not saying that when we're talking about his legacy and by then paying that as like a free speech thing, you're allowing for

like violence, like that you're giving power to a movement that is already using violence to suppress people's. Yeah, because, yeah, you allow no space for any examination of, like, the totality of something. If it's the whole thing is like, this is, this guy was a saint. Right. Don't say anything more. The just reflexive attempts to villainize the trans community and make this seem like it was

like part of a broader thing. Like, you know, that was one of the groups. one of the, you know, most targeted at-risk groups in the country that he was very just awful toward, said awful dehumanizing things about. And in the aftermath, like there was this article that was up on the front page of Drudge for like a whole day. It was from the Washington Free Beacon about that they were like this, these social media accounts in a like online community.

where, like, multiple of the people behind the accounts were trans, indicated for knowledge of the attack. Like, they were, and, like, there were screen caps of people being, like, he's going to find out on September 10th. And, uh, Charlie Kirk, this is not a warning. This is, like, trying to make it seem like this, it was this broad conspiracy. There's all kinds of. And then, like, that's just quietly, like, gone away.

But, like, they had fabricated screen grabs that they were posting and being like, the FBI is investigating whether these are real or not. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's just the sort of shit that's going to enter the bloodstream. Like people are going to take that as fact. Like the things that you're writing in the days immediately afterwards.

Yeah. Yeah. And no one's going to come back and check to see if like the, you know, to verify like the veracity of something like that. Because again, these people are just on a just fucking waiting to blame trans people or the left. yeah uh but yeah i mean those text messages that they released too like that's already causing a ton of confusion now because you have you have an entire group of people like both on the mostly on the left and on the right we're like these are fake these aren't real texts like no one talks like right and you know and i and it's awful that we live in a time where i'm like i don't know are

they trying to trying to fucking make this a thing that it actually isn't or is this how this guy actually texted, like seemingly talking like a boomer? Yeah. It's just like all. And again, I think all of that lack of clarity just allows all this other shit to kind of fester. And people continue on with their, you know, campaign to just stoke more violence against their enemies. I do think it's worth just noting because I think in the aftermath of this event, it is easy to just make it seem like, well, now they have everyone. And, like, I don't think that's true.

Like, I think a lot of people, like, they, they did a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk at a New Orleans Saints game, NFL game over the weekend. Yeah. The crowd booed until his name was no longer on the scoreboard, allegedly. And I don't think it's because they're, like, bloodthirsty leftists. So I think people just generally have a sense that, like, turning him into a larger than life, like, figure is, like, I don't know. It's like, like, I just don't think they want to.

have this thing where like they're deifying this like right wing person like it's a it's a type of political violence yeah and i think it's also just because it's i think it just also feels strange to people yeah that they're like wait what who right oh really and then then you kind of like all of that also i think maybe people know that feel it explicitly or not are like what's happening around yeah right now yeah i think people generally are like Uncomfortable and like this administration is less popular than I think it might seem to everybody right now. Yeah. You know, there's a CNN poll like they did about people in the cabinet, which who the fuck knows what anything means.

So stupid. Yeah, the CNN poll, like weird horse race with no stakes to be like, who's polling bad in the cabinet? Okay. But it's Pam Bondi, number one, minus 19 points. minus 9 so more like disapprove is 19 points higher than approve yeah and she's the head of the Department of Justice which is you know the wing of political violence of the Trump administration but I just want to point out there were six NFL teams that didn't pay tribute right and that's being written up they're like what's wrong with these six teams controversial yeah home teams that were there the the ones that did not were the The Bengals, lions, cults, Vikings, Steelers, and Ravens. Right, right. So I don't know.

We'll see where this goes. But I just, I don't think it's, you know, the mainstream media has me feeling like, oh, man, everybody is just, like, gone fully towards the Trump side of things where they're like, now we agree with the stuff that Charlie Kirk was saying. I don't think that's true. I think people are, yeah, it's really evident in just looking at the headlines from different outlets, like where these edit, like, where their editorial sort of voices, because there are people who are trying to be like, what the fuck is going on? And others are like, remembering the fiery words of an activist. And Ezra Klein, like, got a ton of pushback from like readers and like a lot of people. So I don't, yeah, I think it's like this institutional mainstream media, like, kind of. flinching mainstream Democrat. Yeah, you're going to get a $15 billion lawsuit from Trump.

You know what I mean? Like, it's, they're like, these are headaches so they don't want to deal with. So they'll just stay quiet. All right. Well, all right. Well, speaking of stay quiet. We're going to be quiet now

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