The Daily Zeitgeist - Infamous Dunkshots with Dragonfly Jonez

Episode Date: May 26, 2022

Miles and Jack are joined by co-host of The Jenkinz and Jonez Podcast, and without a doubt, one of the funniest follows on Twitter, Dragonfly Jonez on the latest Mad Boosties. Besides digging deeper into the conference finals, they discuss Dragonfly's favorite playoff dunks of all time and much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We see a return to dominance and a familiar position for Golden State and a dogfight in the Eastern Conference. It's some kind of fight because it continues. A freaking dog fight is what it is. Well, we are joined with a fantastic podcaster and one of the best follows on Twitter. Mr. Dragonfly Jones. I'm Miles Gray. I'm Jack O'Brien.

And this is Miles and Jack got mad boosties for Lawless Execution. Nailed it. Welcome, welcome, y'all, to another edition. What is this, episode nine? Look at us. I think that's right. We really did it. Yeah.

We had Robert Ory on last week. Nobody can tell me anything. I am peak confident. Oh, yeah. I went to LA Fitness and shot seven straight air balls just off the strength of i'm insufferable around the house right now um but it's it's all good it's important for me but welcome to the show yes mr dragonfly jones uh yes thrilled to have you one of my favorite follows on twitter yes yes i

appreciate y'all having me um that podcast intro was amazing like that was like some dx billy bad gun type energy i had going there i'm taking notes here exactly and we're i am impressed we're hit yeah we're hitting with the dx to degeneration x everything yes yeah so far i mean that's like one thing we see consistently in the reviews thank you to everybody who leaves a review they say the opening is just the the amount of coordination we have not seen such a thing since the synchronized you guys found your pocket with that yeah they say they say they have a hard time getting to the content because they just find themselves replaying the opening over and over again yeah yeah just mesmerized i understand yeah like we're doing like yeah we're like a uk grime dj we're like

we'll spin pundi replay yeah just right back to the top like miles and jack got mad the guest is asleep by the time we get to them yeah um well yeah dragonfly how are you yeah how are you enjoying it these conference finals these playoffs of ours we are partially responsible for them because uh miles and i are a partner with nba so uh we take ownership um so how do you like our product how do you like it how you've been enjoying what we got out there is is is there going to be like a settlement check in the mail for me sitting through these i'm not a fan of them i think the finals are going to be like a settlement check in the mail for me sitting through these conference finals i'm not a fan of them i think the finals are going to be really good you know what i mean

but but these conference finals they just they just haven't been good bro okay okay the warriors are uh dominating and you know i still like watching they're like one of the teams that i like to watch dominate just because of how pretty and, uh, you know, just like next level. It's not like they're just like banging it in and like laying it in there. You know, they play beautiful. Uh,

the beautiful game, uh, is what I call basketball. I don't think there's another sport that calls itself that, uh, it's called the beautiful game. That isn't basketball. No.

Every time Boston dominates, this was true in the Milwaukee series, but Milwaukee went seven. This series is tied 2-2. But after every Celtics win, I'm like, well, that's a wrap. After game four, I was like, so Celtics in six, right? That's it?

And that was true every time they beat milwaukee too they just like their wins look very convincing to me for some reason yeah yeah i totally agree it feels like i don't it feels like the the southwicks are in that weird spot where it's this is a championship caliber team but they haven't taken those post-season lumps yet where it's like okay they know what to do in this spot you know what i mean like like you know for for all the all the times where where the the celtics go go missing and the game slips away from them it's like you know jalen and jason are kind of you know letting the game you know get away from them and it's like okay they're not ready to take that step just yet you know what i mean because the execution isn't

there they're not executing like a veteran playoff team, which is to be expected. You know, they're pretty young to this. I'm not at all saying like they're behind schedule or anything. Like these are the lumps that teams take on their road to being a championship team. But to your credit, like you said, when they're on, they look like world beaters. They look like the best team in the league.

Yeah, they really do. And I posed a theory embarrassingly in front of Robert O'Reilly that like every team with a star has a gravitational equilibrium and like the celdics to this point with jason tatum it's been the eastern conference finals and uh miami with jimmy butler it's been the finals so like this is a test of that theory but you know the bulls with michael jordan their gravitational equilibrium was the eastern conference finals for a long time and then i think they got a couple where they went to the finals and did pretty good uh from what i understand after that so my theory might be stupid

and to your point the celdics and jason tatum are very young so this might just be the series where we watch them kind of take it to the next level yeah and i i also want to give it out to uh fellow geriatric millennial al horford who continues to just give me these little more man that one block he had his fourth block when he just looked into the stands like this like he's like where'd that go where'd that go i was just like it was it was really i don't know i i felt like he there like where'd that go where'd that go i was just like it was it was really i don't know i i felt like he there was something about watching him in this postseason that he's just been in like showing these signs of life that make me just believe in uh you know being an older person in this league when so much of it has been dominated by the younger players

but yeah like even with him there too like there is some i don't know for when you talk about the lumps that a team has to take it does sort of feel like they are in that process absolutely of beginning to evolve into that next you know that next stage yeah i'm still not over how last series was the al holford like who saw the bucks and the celtics right we saw Tatum and Giannis like okay this is you know one of the first battles of many for probably you know the you know the best player in the league perhaps in a few years right and we saw that we saw those two you know all world guys going up against each other and then Al Holford comes and steals the show like I remember that that one was it was a game three I, when he went crazy the first game.

Yeah. And I was like, bro, Boston messed up. You cannot not cash in on an Al Hofer performance like that because he won't do that again this postseason. He did it again the next game. I was like, where did this dude come from? But yeah, like you said, it was it was just you know an elder millennial moment where that guy just kind of took center stage that series i will tell you where he came from uh that is philadelphia where he played for the 76ers which is a team

that i follow and everybody was like what are they doing spending for him he's past his prime and that's how it looked for a season. Not necessarily past his prime, but wasn't doing this. And then went right back to Boston and teamed up with Tatum, who the Celtics also tricked the Sixers out of. It's a very lopsided friendship. I like to think of it as a friendship. A hard time. Partnership.

Development deal. Bro, the best player in the world dunked on that man, and that dude said, okay. And he didn't lie. He didn't lie. That 35-year-old man did not lie. He won a championship in 2006 with Joakim Noah in college, and he is out here giving the best play in the

world problem wow 15 16 years later i hadn't even put it together noah and him were teammates those were those were the day so dragonfly jones the thing that we do up top is like just pick one thing that was like the dopest thing we've ever seen on a basketball court uh in this case the dopest thing we've ever seen on a basketball court in the playoffs. I think Miles and I might have the same one, which is the Wiggins dunk. No. Did you hear about that play

in the basketball game? I heard about it, yes. First, I'm... Wow. I guess we can talk a little bit about that series. As know as of this recording we have not seen what happens in game four but math would suggest that perhaps you know no matter what happens in game four that this is a golden states to lose but that dunk though i'm trying to figure out if luca knew halfway of like when he went up with Wiggins that he knew.

Actually, I actually do not. I actually don't want to take part in this because it felt like, you know, one of the more iconic images of that freeze frame is just Wiggins is up here. And then Luca is already sort of like trying to get out of the way. And I'm always like, part of me feels that I think he knew that the poster presses were getting fired up at that moment, and he decided, maybe let's try something different. Yeah, he wasn't flopping. He was just

reacting to what was about to happen to his legacy. With a little contact. That's why he said he kind of flinched. But he was feeling the pain down through generations to follow. Brunson defends, snaps

it outside to Wiggins. Goes by... Drops the sledgehammer! Successful challenge by Steve Kerr and the Warriors. It's not a offensive foul on Andrew Wiggins, nor is it a defensive foul on Luka Doncic,

but it is a good bucket and poster by Andrew Wiggins. Challenge successful, and Wiggins has his third career playoff double-double. I know Luka has a very promising career ahead of him. I do think he should retire from competitive basketball after that dunk. But it was an incredible play. I did not think we were going to get two all-time great playoff dunks in the same playoffs this year.

But this and Ja, as we'll talk about a little bit later. Do you have another play? Maybe a dark horse play of one of the dopest things you've seen a human person do on basketball court in these playoffs? Oh! Drew had the defensive play of the year.

When he locked that game up with the block he snatched out of the air and then threw it off Marcus Smart's chest. Usually when guys try to save the ball they don't off your shins or your knees he hit that man in his chest yeah he wanted him to feel that in his soul right in Boston you know he wanted him to feel that in his soul like bro I just took this game from you literally took it from you midair and I'm bouncing this ball off

your chest we're gonna get it back we're gonna get the ball back and then I'm bouncing this ball off your chest. We're going to get the ball back. And then I'm going to steal the ball from you again to for sure lock this up. That was the easiest play of the season for me, for sure. Should we play that? Let's play that one. Sequence. Yeah, I don't even know if we've talked about that. But that was one of the great... Because I think by the time we had recorded again,

that series was over. 11 seconds left. They inbound Smart. Ripped by Drew Holiday on the baseline. Take that. He just comes over to the top and takes it off. I mean, you can tell as he's sort of rotating

on the baseline, part of him's like, can I get it to somebody? And then it just, like, your reflexes from being a kid, which is like, now I throw it as hard as I can at the person in front of me. So it goes out of bounds. Of his chest, too. He's just like, that was bad. You know, it can't be catchable. Drew Holiday is such a unique player because that dude will go like 8 for 26,

and then you leave that game thinking, they don't win this game without Drew you know what I mean he's one of those guys right you know what I mean he's just a unique player I mean he's like I won't argue with anyone who says he's perhaps the best guard defender in the league like even better than Marcus Smart I mean he's that good yeah and I think the fact that he was doing that to the person who won defensive player of the year and for the first time in a long time a perimeter player winning it uh probably not a coincidence i don't know if the nba will let us keep that in i don't know we'll see we shall see the defensive player of the year was the victim of the defensive play of the year

that's how life is sometimes. Like Soulja Boy said, in this life, you either crank that Soulja Boy or that Soulja Boy cranks you. And that Soulja Boy got cranked on Marcus Smart. So yeah, that was a hell of a play. Was that a soundboard? Yeah, you know,

we're going to introduce a soundboard. That's typically when a podcast introduces the fact that they had a soundboard on standby. It's episode nine. Yeah, when you go, there it is. And I always got Soulja Boy on deck. There we go. It's a classic. Jimmy Butler has been pretty incredible.

We talked to Robert Ori about his ability to elevate in certain big moments. Jimmy Butler kind of does that just across the playoffs. Seems like a real thing. Yeah. I don't know. It seems like he has an extra gear. Derek White back in as Butler with another steal. Rides inside, stops, turns, layup, got it.

This is a Miami Avalche here in the third quarter and to me this the pick and roll is switching pj tucker on bam with another strip yeah he's he's he's someone who elevates his game every postseason right like i i feel like for the last three seasons i've been thinking man, Butler might be washed, and then he just goes nuclear in the postseason. Yeah. Right? Because you look at what he does and what the Miami Heat do, and regardless of how much the game has evolved,

regardless of how much it's threes or layups, you need to come playoff time, you need to execute in the half court, you need to be money from the midrange, and you need to lock up on defense. And Butler and Heat do all of those things, and that's why they always have these long postseason runs like like i said regardless of how much the game evolves you need to do that 1943 stuff too you know what i'm saying right you know i'm saying to get that larry o'brien for sure and jimmy butler and the heat are a prime example of that yeah in in that series right like

i know watch this has been a wild Eastern Conference Finals. My neck hurts trying to figure out who's got the edge here. I think now that I watch it more and more, I'm starting to lean towards the way of the Celtics just because of

who the Heat may or may not have access to. Because you love them. They're your favorite franchise. Because as a Los Angeles Lakers fan, we all know that I am legally obligated to speak kindly about the Celtics. But like, no, I mean, as I watch it, I'm just kind of looking at the injuries

and I'm thinking, okay, at the end of the day, I know if the Warriors are in the final, they're looking at both. They're like, oh, so two wrecked up, banged up cars have come to meet me in the finals. But I'm just curious of like, who do you think has the edge despite like all these variables with the injuries and what seems like very streaky shooting for the Heat? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like you said, there's no science to it. So I guess I got to go with the, you know, Jimmy Butler is kind of is the best oldest guy in the series.

And, you know, Spoh is the best coach in the series. So I guess I'm latching my wagon at that. But I guess I will see the Heat probably getting this in seven. That's probably where I'm at. Wow. I would love that to be true. Unbiased. Nothing personal.

Completely unbiased. I would love for that to be true. Mostly for Dragonfly. Because we would love that for you, Dragonfly. I would love for that to be true. Mostly for Dragonfly because we would love that for you, Dragonfly. I would just love that for you and for you to be happy because I want happiness for you. How do Sixers fans feel about Jimmy getting away from you? Oh, horrible. Horrible about

everything. I feel bad about that. I feel bad about the fact that we traded up to get away from picking Jason Tatum. I feel the whole thing feels, in a word, bad. Feels bad. Just the kind of part. And then, you know, they have taken the soul

out of Sixers fans in the playoffs. Like that series when Sixers fans were like, MB Simmons, here they come. And rookie Jason Tatum was just... It was ugly. It was a painful memory.

Not very considerate of your feelings, I would say, Jack. Jimmy Butler, I've always told myself, he just didn't want to play for the Sixers. He wanted to be in Miami. And so that's, he wanted to be in Miami. He knew that's where he belonged. And I don't know. He was, you know, we saw that whole Tobias Harris over me tirade.

I don't know if you can lean on that anymore, buddy. I feel like great players tell themselves what they need to tell themselves to be furious at all times. But yeah, I mean, I can't. In no way do I feel good about any aspect of the loss of Jimmy Butler. I got a question. Yes. You saw how Luka activated having those Suns players

laughing in his face. And do you think, I mean, look, he's been performing great, but do you think he needs a moment to kind of get in his, like, inner, you know, aggressive player? Like, you know, he plays well when he feels slighted. And I feel like in this series, aside from maybe that dunk, I'm not, like i like i've seen speculation on the internet like i was looking at some of the fans talking uh like warriors fans like you think

kerr told them to not fire up luca too much because they don't want to face the wrath and i'm like well i don't know if they're you know going out with an intention to be like don't upset him but they've been you know pretty classy with him and i'm curious, in the back of their minds, they might be like, yeah, he can find a way and maybe we'll just, you know. If you listen to every single timeout, halftime speech from Kerr is all about the Warriors being nice to Luka. That's the whole, that's his whole strategy.

All right, bring it in, guys. I want you to be kind to him. Nicer. Nicer! Jordan, what are you doing, man? Use the formal you in Slovakian when you talk to him. Yeah, yeah. Wait.

But, yeah, I mean, Luke, if you saw the clip where, you know, after that homily to send Phoenix home when they locked that um game up and someone asked him did you know that you had more points than phoenix at the half you saw that devilish twinkling yeah right of course i did are you crazy like he lives i think he lives for smack talk i bet did it um the game in the bubble where him and montrez got into that dust up did he not hit the game winner that same very game, I feel like? I think he thrives on that stuff. He's someone who thrives on it,

for sure. Maybe those little discussions with Kerr, they're helping. You know, just be... Compliment him. Compliment his shoes. Say you met one of his family members. Wonderful people. Which is why I

hate that offensive foul call. Even though he got dunked on. Because I feel like you take a moment from Wiggins there and you took a moment from Luka there too. Because like, in the future, we know that there's going to come a moment where Luka is, you know, trajecting upwards and the words are going to be trajecting downwards.

They're probably going to meet in the postseason and Luka's probably going to get him out of there. And that would have been a great little redemption art for your documentaries or whatever when you show when you show how show how wiggins yammed on him then two three years later he's sending the warriors home right like you don't get rocky without him getting beat up by apollo you know what i mean right and i feel like they took that apollo you know butt whooping from him in that moment you know what i mean it takes some of the edge off that it had to be overturned. I hate that.

I hate that so much. I felt like every part of me was like, in what dimension? Okay, that's fine. But to post it, I think like everybody on Twitter was saying, we're like, that's an NFT either way. Alright, let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk all-time great playoff dunks

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And we're back. Hi. Hey, we're back. Good to see you. Thanks for sticking around. It's me, Jack. Yes, yes. You know, we're talking about our favorite dunks so far.

I think that, again, we talk about this whenever there's an iconic dunk. It's one of the most basic forms of communication, which is, I am better than you in this moment. And we love that energetic exchange when we see these dunks. Dragonfly, we were asking you, since we're in the moment of iconic playoff dunks, maybe you have a couple that you'd like to share with the class? Sure, sure. I've got a little top three, a little podium here in no particular order. Okay. I've got Baron Davis over Carol Link.

Let's go on that. Okay, so break that down for us. You know, the Warriors were playing on house money at that point. Second round, they had just bounced, you know, the Dallas Mavs, who had come off a finals run in 2006. They were perhaps the best team in the league for a few years, and the Warriors just took it for the wuss.

Shouts to Don Nelson and his small ball approach. We do not give Don Nelson enough props. Let me just take it aside here. Who was just saying that? Yeah, a player was just talking about Don Nelson being one of his favorite coaches. Was that Robert? Oh, it was our guest last week, Robert Ory. Was it Ory?

Yeah. Good, good. We need to keep the Don Nelson love train going because that man's fingerprints are all over today's NBA. You look at what he did in Milwaukee in the 70s where he created the first point forward with Marcus Johnson. You look at what he did in Dallas with revolutionizing the stretch forward with Dirk. You look at what he did after he left Dallas and went to the Warriors and revolutionized small ball and beat Dirk up with that.

His fingerprints are all over today's NBA in regards to positionless basketball. Get the ball in your best player's hands. Stretch the floor. It doesn't matter how tall you are. Can you shoot? Okay, you're going to shoot. That's Don Nelson's whole blueprint there. My good friend Robert Ory was saying that he wished that was the coach that he wished he could have played for all the coaches that he didn't play for yeah that was the one

because yeah like you said stretch big big men who yeah it's a floor i mean ory was one of the first stretch fours you know what i mean so of course he'd have loved don nelson yeah yeah and um but yeah that that dunk with boom on ak like like i said we knew they were playing with house money we knew they were not getting past the jazz that postseason and for him to just go body to body lift his jersey up back this was back before the jersey popping era like like barry davis might be a pioneer right you know this is 2007 and you know he went body to body on ak you know yanda with like the hook and then just you know pop this yeah that was an all-time for sure all right that was when the broadcast would like

cut to the noise meter and be like whoa they really they really like that yeah they're loud it's out it says out of control on this noise meter a lot of good things will happen, not just with him scoring, but then also an open up. Oh, they hit 107. I don't know what that number means, but they hit 107 on that noise meter. Sound level meter it is labeled. Wait, so that

wasn't the series where they shocked the world? No. They beat the Mav shocked the world? No. No. They beat the Mavs the round before that. Okay. Got it. Yeah.

Man, he got around Darren and he was like, man, all right, Andre, that's on you, bro. Can you handle this? He's getting away. He's like, was that a waist trainer on Baron Davis? I know. I wasn't going to. 2007? I wasn't going to say that.

It does appear as though Baron Davis is wearing Spanx before they were invented. Let me see. Yep. He got the one that was made by Body Glove. Yeah, that dunk. I mean, poor, poor Karolenko. I don't know what. Let me just, let me just see.

A lot of good things will happen. Not just with him scoring but then also he goes up i mean he's obviously got the length but when the he goes up you're being beat with velocity upward velocity and you're like get out my way he didn't stand a chance sorry ak-47 for young fans like bar Davis was 6'4 and built a brick house, if I can swear, once on this episode.

He goes up. Karolinko is what? 6'8? 6'9? He's a big, tall dude. Great defender. Davis cocks it back and turns his back to the basket and then like almost like winding up like it's uh hideo nomo and then just like yams on him it's it's an act of beauty an act of violence baron davis was so fun man oh yeah what a time to be alive when baron davis was

like you know really doing it for the Warriors. What's next on your on your countdown? Dragonfly next next on the Dragonfly. Oh, Kobe over Nash. I love that. Yes, I love that one. Oh, five. Oh, six.

This is this was again, people who may or may not have heard based on how i speak on this show i'm a lifelong laker fan uh and this one is absolutely one of those dunks like you'll always remember uh just from like just kind of how the play came together it's not like you know this was uh like in transition or a fast break or something this is just kind of like lamar hustling broken yeah setting kobe up and then the rest is history it's it's it's perhaps the best kobe play from kobe's best season and just for a little context nash and the sons were basically the best team in the league that year right or like they their record was you know they were i think a lot of people's pick heading into the playoffs to win it all i'm trying to think if there's a another example of a team

that was the best team in the league uh heading into the playoffs and then can't put it together in the playoffs loses in the second round but i can't i can't think of it no all right but uh anyways phoenix suns at that time that that's what happened to them luke walt oh i'm on the floor tossing kobe nash thinks he's it's a good idea to get near Kobe. Kobe. Let's see that replay. just and just that hanging on the rim after just to add insult to injury i think that that is my favorite way to underline it. Just be like, are you good down there? Can I come down now?

Just so you, okay, you're okay? Okay, I will safely return to earth. And props to Lamar. Like the announcer said, he busted his butt on that play. Dope for the loose ball. Threaded the dime between two defenders. Tremendous effort on his part.

And what's another dunk that you've been enjoying? Can we think of another playoff postseason dunk? It's Jao over Beasley. That's an all-timer. Recency bias be damned. That is going down in the books. Yeah. I have a hard time differentiating between recency bias

and whether the players are just getting better. I don't know. This play made me a believer that we might be seeing some of the best things we've ever seen in the history of the league. They're down 13. No! Oh my God!

lead in this opening round series. No! Oh my God! A jawbreaker! And if there's anything that will get this crowd roaring at the Grizzlies' den, it is Ja Morant on the full

What do you think it is about this? How far back he's got it caught? That choppy connection was actually a blessing here yeah seeing all these freeze frames was ridiculous oh because you're just yeah it was like watching it with a broken strobe light on and that's actually kind of cool for you is it because it's so beautiful visually right like just just him dunking on beasley but also like his body shape having the ball so far back.

I think it tickles every part of your brain that makes a dunk beautiful that I have trouble actually quite putting my finger on it. Because it has every single dimension of a fantastic dunk. Yes. All great dunks have a moment where the dunk seems impossible. Right. Where it's like yeah pause it right here how did he take off from here or pause it right here he was midair the defender was right there he dunked on that guy like they all have a moment like that where it's where it seems improbable

but they pull it off right yeah that that's uh yeah the baron dunk the choppy connection made me realize that he basically turns around to like hideo nomo on him uh and this one it's he's so far back when he cocks it back it's ridiculous when you look at it like the circle he's still at the circle when he cocks it all the way back i i yeah again i have trouble describing what i'm seeing like even like with the amount of speed he had going into it like I feel like he could have taken off from well behind the free throw line and still made it to the rim like he like Beasley got in his way and he was still like no sorry I'm still gonna make it like it's just impossible but oh it's a it's both a how did

he do that and why did he do that why did he jump that far back and think he could dunk it and then yeah he ended up doing it alright should we take one more break and then come back we'll do a rapid fire close things out

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maybe where some of the best food is. But shall we get into our rapid fire? So, Dragonfly, we're going to ask you some questions. Don't think. Just answer. And away we go. Start the clock. Like the Joker.

That's good. Away we go. Dragonfly, what's your favorite dunk of all time? Favorite dunk of all time? Pipping over you. And that's the favorite dunk of all time favorite dunk of all time um pipping over you and that's the best dunk of the playoffs um that's the best dunk of the playoffs you know my other three were my favorites but that is objectively the best yeah where their body turns into like a human plus sign it's like everyone's leg like everyone's like right angle leg i was just looking at so just it's so disrespectful like you know he dunked on that man

he stood over him then he went and talked smack to spike lee told him to sit his bleep down it was it was a moment yeah uh dragonfly you are a aficionado of trash talk um who is your goat trash talker of all time number one goat trash talk um it might be mj okay it might be mj um you know as as boring as that answer might be like when i found out that dude would sing anita baker while giving dudes the work i was like okay like what what could top that my dude is out there saying and dot your i would step back like come on man I would go home

I would be so angry I would leave if you did that to me you can go back in time and this is a hypothetical by the way I'm not telling you the truth here you can go back in time and witness any single game live which game are you choosing

game 7 2016 finals hands down yeah oh and it would be fun to be there in particular um be there i want to be i want to be right next to little dicky right when bron almost dunked on on draymond have y'all seen that picture no like little dicky is in the background appalled at what's about to happen. Oh, no. Is Little Dicky a warrior's man? All jokes aside, Little Dicky is, he cannot believe that Bron was about to, you know,

eviscerate that man like that. What's kind of amazing about that picture is the perspective looks like Little Dicky might also be holding the basketball. Because Bron is holding it in the front and it almost looks like little dickies also got the ball cocked back but he's really being like no uh yeah dragonfly who is your personal goat greatest of all time oh lebron james and i say this is someone who watched peak

jordan you know what i mean i am i am that old to where i knew what i was watching when i watched yeah i watched that finals i said there is no player i've ever seen in my life who could have done what lebron james did here right you know he's the you know regardless of if you think he's the goat we've never seen a player this good for this long we've never seen a more complete player yeah like if that's the the worst praise you can give lebron that makes him my goat for sure all right and then next over the next five years are there one or two people like faces of the league who you could see entering that conversation currently in the league? Yes. Yes. You know, I'm not beholden to my goat being the goat forever. Like I said, Jordan was my goat until I feel like Braun surpassed.

It's going to be, you know, 10, 15 years down the line where someone will probably surpass Braun to me. And the one who's in pole position for that right now is Giannis. We'll see what the young man accomplishes, but the rest of me, he has right now, 27. Are you kidding me? You know what I mean? Back-to-back MVPs, defensive player of the year, finals MVP, one of the greatest finals

performances I've ever seen. I don't know if he will be the GOAT, but the sky is the limit for that young man, for real. I've never heard of him. I don't know if he will be the GOAT, but the sky is the limit for that young man, for real. I've never heard of him. I'll have to look him up. He sounds good. Google him. You said, who's Johnny S?

And I said, who's Gianni S? Hey, Gianni. Hey, Gianni. I love Gianni's Dragonfly you could put together the ultimate one on one tournament where you can pluck people out of different

eras in their primes whatever give me your ultimate matchup how are you going to sell out that pay per view when you say I have X versus X one on one tune in tonight X versus Sever one-on-one tune-in tonight. X versus sever. That's good. That is a really good question.

I feel like KD is a lock for one of those spots. Because I feel like you got to go perimeter wing player because the fact is their games are just prettier. It's prettier. I love bully ball back to the basket, working the post basketball, but as far as aesthetic-wise, bringing in the viewers perimeter wing players that's what

you know fans love katie will for sure get a lot for me and maybe kobe wow i feel like kobe versus katie will probably be a good matchup aesthetically wise but but katie's such a match you know mismatch that he's beating whoever i probably rolled out there you know what i mean seven foot get whatever jumper he wants right but um as as far as you know just beauty of the game you know aesthetically pleasing i'd probably go kobe katie so i want i want to give an answer here because if it's make it take it like i think that's that's a great answer if you know you score and then you go on to defense i want to see shack versus jordan because i feel like jordan would find a way to win even though shack could back him down every single time like i just i don't know it would be interesting to see how he solves that problem that game would be ugly everything like

jordan will work shack shack would work jordan there would be you need three but it would be entertaining though three nba refs on the court uh yeah uh all right and finally uh two-part question greatest basketball movie of all time and then best worst basketball movie of all time. I think the best worst basketball movie is probably Sixth Man. Sixth Man. Sixth Man has literally... With Kadeem Hardison?

Sixth Man has literally made me tear up before. Oh, yeah. Like, I've got an older brother, you know what I'm saying, who I'm close with, and seeing, you know, the whole, you know, Marlon Lewis and his older brother,

that has brought me, like, has had the bottom lip quivering a few times. That's probably the best worst basketball movie. I saw that twice in the theater. Twice in the theater? Really? I was such a Wayans fan. Anything any Wayans was in, I was watching

just from In Living Color on, I was just loyal to the Wayans family. I will give you my money when I can and that was like 98 99 97 yeah it was 97 six man yeah yeah best basketball movie um above the rim will probably get my vote you got two fuck you got wood hair wood harris is a legitimately great best speed he is one of our he is one of america's greatest actors he has been doing this for like four decades now yeah above the room probably gets my vote the gameplay in above the rim is like pretty pretty good right like it's it's solid like when i was younger and watching movies it really bothered me how bad michael. Fox was at basketball in Teen Wolf.

And so I think I judged everything from that point forward based on like, well, that person actually looks like they know how to play basketball. So, you know, getting Ray Allen in, he got game blue chips. Oh,

how did I forget? He got game. I might have to change my vote to he got game. I might have. Okay. The movie succeeding, despite Ray Allen giving us one of the worst performances in the history of cinema is a testament unto itself. But it's an unobtrusive bad performance.

It's not. He's not trying to do anything. He's just like, I'm a great looking human who looks amazing holding a basketball and doing things with it. Yeah. Blue Chips doesn't get in any of these? I love Blue Chips doesn't get in on any of these? I love Blue Chips. I'm in the background of Blue Chips. You are? When Rick Pitino

is being interviewed, you can see two blurs shooting hoops in the background. I am one of those blurs. I am the blur. Oh, wow. No, sorry. That's He Got Game. My friend is in the background of both Blue Chips and He Got Game. I am in the background

of He Got Game when Rick Pitino is being interviewed. Wow. Shooting around in the gym. Oh, right. Okay. I'm going to have to look out for that. Yeah. You can tell because I got kind of an ugly shot and you can see that one of the blurs looks like they have a hitch in their shot. Unorthodox.

Yeah. Unorthodox. Exactly. I thought I got style points uh when i was developing my shot dragonfly thanks so much for stopping by mad boosties always always what a pleasure to have guests like you are sure it was a blast fellas appreciate y'all having me man do you have a cool little outro going on too or i mean no in the sense that we ask our guests where can people find more of you and hear from you and listen to you? For sure. You know, follow me on Twitter, Dragonfly Jones.

I'm on The Volume, The Jenkins and Jones Show with my boys, Legetto Jenkins, Mike Gardabasio. So I'm out here. I'm in these pod streets and these Twitter streets. Okay. Ask about me. Yeah. Get into his Twitter. Get into his Twitter.

But to answer your question, we don't have anything that we do to end the show and it's actually kind of a problem. We kind of like trail off a little bit. Yeah, and then we're kind of like I don't know. That was a good episode. I guess we'll be back next week with another

installment of Miles and Jack got mad. Boosties. Imperfect synchronization. I forgot to say Finding Forrester. My favorite basketball movie. Alright, y'all.

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