The Daily Zeitgeist - Infinite Evidence Police Are The Problem, Facebook Unbans Trump('s Campaign Money) 01.30.23

Episode Date: January 30, 2023

In episode 1411, Jack and guest co-host Pallavi Gunalan are joined by writer, humorist, and style icon, Dave Schilling, to discuss… The 5 Memphis Police Officers Were Part of Unit Designed Specifically to Stop Violence, Meta Welcomes Back Trump… ‘s Campaign Money and more! The 5 Memphis Police Officers Were Part of Unit Designed to Specifically to Stop Violence Donald Trump prepares for his return to Facebook and Twitter Trump allowed back on Facebook after 2-year suspension Donald Trump’s Truth Social posts bode ill for his return to Facebook Meta just gave Trump the green light to push harmful misinformation and extremism on its platforms Meta is restoring full ad access to Trump — the company's biggest political advertiser Trump's pending return to Facebook is more about cash than speech LISTEN: sipping my tea by Zack FoxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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because he's very problematic. Oh, he's a horrible person. They made a character about him. I think he's misunderstood, okay? I'm sick of this cancel culture. Fed that kid's parents to him. But other than that, I feel like he's pretty chill. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in my second seat

by a hilarious and brilliant stand-up comedian writer actor improviser biomedical engineer you can catch her on stages across this great land it's palavi gunali oh my goodness wow how my name yelled with the correct pronunciation feels so good it feels so great. Feels good on this side, too. You've got a great name. Pallavi, it's great to have you. You are filling in for Miles, who... Not just at the Daily Bike Guys,

but just in regular life, too. I've been hired as his stand-in. His life stand-in? Yeah. He just needed a break, you know? He needed to bonnie bear for a minute and now yeah i'm killing it we got a brown person it's all the same right the same same height i don't know are you six two sure yeah miles is miles is tall and i'm always just surprised every

time i see him again for the first time in like a couple weeks i'm like man you are you are a short man energy he feels like a short person he should be that's not true it's because he's approachable he's like secure with himself you know so he i don't know he has you know i don't know he just has the energy of somebody who is not defined by their height and then when you see him it takes a moment to be like oh you are taller than most people yeah anyways dave i'm not allowing you to cast aspersions on my comment about miles being a tall a tall gentleman dave's here to start drama i'm tall too so i think no way i don't believe that at all. I'm 7'2", the same height as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. No, I'm not. Just kidding.

I also have short man energy. That's why I bring it up. I can feel the camaraderie between me and Miles when we hang out. Yeah. Well, that third voice you keep hearing is someone we're thrilled to be joined by. A very talented writer, humorous podcast host, whose work you've seen in the LA Times, Guardian, New Yorker, if you've ever heard of that periodical publication, New York Magazine. You've read him at all of those places because you're extremely well-read. Yes, I've been everywhere. I've been everywhere, man. He's the consummate podcast host podcast guest professional wrestling expert please welcome the hilarious the fashionable the brilliant dave chilling

this is how we're talking to each other the whole episode we are so far away i love not being the loudest person on a podcast. That never happens to me. I was taught to project. When I went to podcast college, they said, use your outside voice. Hit the back of the room with extreme prejudice. It was hard for me to shake that directive from elementary school, where it's like, use your inside, six inch voices, not six foot voices. But when you become a professional podcaster, you got to use that six foot voice. Okay. You got to get out

there. That's six foot two voice. Just like miles gray, six, two. Yeah. That's six foot two voice. Yeah, exactly. The extreme prejudice reaching the back of the podcast room is just all the slurs that podcasters normally say. That's right. That's how some podcasters hit that back of the room with extreme prejudice. It's the hard R syndrome. That's where they keep the minorities, in the back of the room. All right. Well, Dave, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. Pallavi, we might even get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things that we're talking about.

We're recording this on Friday. I don't believe they have released the video of the police murder in Memphis, but we do have a story about who those police officers were. They were part of a special task force that was aimed at stopping street violence, crazily enough. So we're going to talk about these sorts of task forces, how they get covered, how they come about, and why they aren't ever held to account and hopefully will be now. I don't know. We'll talk about trump's return to meta they're they're welcoming trump back on meta and all his campaign money because apparently he was like the biggest spender of all time on meta in terms of political ads before we get to any of that dave we do like to

ask our guest and you may know this what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are i recently googled martini glasses specifically nick and nora glasses because i broke one in the sink and i i'm a big martini drinker and i found a set of four from um the museum of modern art in new york's website i don't know why the MoMA is selling martini glasses. They have a whole home goods store connected to that museum. Yeah, it's just like an Ikea if you walk far enough. And I kind of like some of the stuff, and then I feel bad for liking it. It's kind of fucked up that

they're horning in on Ikea and Target's whole thing. I don't think Target's going to start showing Marc Chagall paintings. You know what I'm saying? I don't think they're gonna start showing mark chagall paintings you know what i'm saying i don't think they're gonna start getting sculptures from damien hurst at ikea this is not appropriate let's stay in your lane here dare you the art at ikea is incredible and magnificent and i could stare at it for hours getting lost there yeah yeah i i understand what you're saying i i get that but i'm talking about fine art not just you know like a tableau of a bowl of fruit or something or a magic eye

do they have magic eye paintings at ikea what is the art at ikea that that actually is a really good question it's very generic and it's like i feel like them and like the people who put art in hotels have to link up you know what i mean like i feel like them and like the people who put art in hotels have to link up. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like they're on the same wavelength. A black and white photo of a guitar. Triangles everywhere. I'm guessing there's like live, laugh, love stuff too, you know? Oh, for sure.

Right? Yeah. Although that does feel like a little bit outside of Ikea's wheelhouse. The live, laugh, love. That's more of a target walmart right something in that font you know what i mean yes yeah i'm trying to say like would it be okay i'm looking there's a sander patelsky photograph of a uh pool so like they have like i'm sure they have like somebody who has good taste like like buying art for them at Ikea.

Yeah, we're just dogging on this person. You know, basically, the MoMA is Ikea without the meatballs is what I'm here to say. The art at Ikea is just as good as the art at the MoMA as long as you're not a materialist. Who cares that they're not originals? I am always at the moment screaming, where are the meatballs? You do do that. I do that a lot, yeah.

One could say that that Lincoln Berry sauce is artistic. It is an expression of humanity's greatest achievement, in my opinion. Yeah. Is that true? I do sometimes wonder that. When I talk about the Cheesecake Factory menu being the thing that will be

remembered from american like america's contribution to like civilization they'll just be like marveling at our ability to put that much food together and like put it put it out and you know just get it all together i don't think it's about the menu itself i think it's about attempting to read the menu in a poorly lit room yeah yeah yeah it's the experience it's performance art that engages the audience it's funny that you say that polyv because the people that eat a cheesecake factory tend to have very bad eyesight because of their elderly nature. I don't know if only old people go to Cheesecake Factory, but I think it's predominantly people who maybe should have some lights on.

Maybe we should crank that dimmer a little bit so that we can see what we're shoveling in our mouth. Crank that dimmer. When you're in Florida, you'll occasionally see people with little flashlights on their keychains like the the elderly like have little gadgets that i'm not aware of but we do it with our phones right yeah for sure but they've got little like squeezy flashlights i want to show up to the cheesecake factory in a full-on fucking like helmet with a flashlight on it like i'm going big ass yeah like i'm a minor yeah

like yeah i'm gonna go rescue some thai children and also some mozzarella sticks but i do wonder like will ikea be remembered will that be a thing that people look back on because it is like the predominant thing from our it will be the predominant, like when they're digging around in the rubble of the US, mostly what they're going to be finding is probably Ikea furniture, right? Yeah, I think that there's a real serious point to be made here, guys, that the abundance that we all enjoy today,

all the furniture, all of the food, all of the things that we have that we take for granted are going to be not possible in the next 100 years. So people will look back on the just pure greed and avarice of our society and be like, how did they do this? People lived like this? They got to get an appetizer and a main and then dessert yeah unbelievable they're gonna be shocked so yeah i think that ikea and cheesecake factory and sizzler and hometown

buffet and costco are all going to be considered like these quirky relics of a different time i don't know if it's sad or not but it's kind of the way we view like great gatsby like the the way people are like we're having a gatsby party they'll like have ikea parties yeah with like three meatballs to be like kylie jenner's great grandchildren right um i learned this week that ikea is a non-profit did you guys know that what no that feels like a scheme that feels like a tax dodge exactly i feel like it is and it's but it's technically a non-profit yeah ikea is technically a religion like scientology they don't have to pay taxes i heard warren buffett is donating his entire

fortune to ikea ikea he's such a good guy that's so cool he's my favorite like i he's my favorite uh spiritual leader what is something dave that you think is overrated oh boy okay this is for sure definitely not no those meatballs uh are slamming as we established i'm gonna stick to movies because this is oscar season there's a lot of controversy out there about what movies were nominated what movies weren't nominated. So something that is under or overrated is what we're starting with, right? Yes. Okay.

An overrated movie that I saw this year. I am going to go with Black Panther, Wakanda Forever. I know I'm going to have to turn in all of my black cards and whatnot for saying this, but I found that movie very boring. black cards and whatnot for saying this but i found that movie very boring it was long and i i didn't really connect to any of the characters it really missed chadwick boseman uh and so i feel like i missed him too yeah i think we all did it was i i don't know if i'm spoiling anything but at the end he's got a kid right he's he's had he had sex once black panther had sex once and he's got a kid, right? He had sex once. Black Panther had sex once. And he's got a little kid at the end. Who's going to, I guess, grow up to be Chad McBoseman recreated with artificial intelligence or something. You know, at some point we're going to get that.

And I got kind of weepy with that. But, like, for the most part, I was so bored with the little guy with his little wings on his feet and all the water. At the same time, I love Avatar. So there's something wrong with me here. Okay. But have you considered that he's incredibly hot? The guy with the wings in the water? I did consider it.

I took a beat. I said, okay, let's see. Do I like this movie? I'm not sure. That guy is really hot. He's still don't like it. maybe if he'd been in a better movie but i agree he's a he's a handsome sexy guy i'm fine with okay here's here's my the only thing that i thought was like a little bit strange i feel like it was a little bit predictable and

who the black panther was gonna be and i felt like they had that whole mit girl that character wasn't like fully developed enough it felt like kind of an add-on but i'm such a superhero head i was like fuck it let's go you know what i mean like i just go into those movies empty head don't care and i have fun young dumb and full of calm let's go um yeah go i don't know if everybody is comfortable with me me sharing this spoiler too but if you haven't seen the movie and you don't want to know who black pan the new black panther is you maybe skip this okay so here we go five four three two one okay so the thing about tony's black pan Panther is that it's really weird that Rachel Dolezal ended up being the Black Panther. Yeah.

But I thought it was a perfect choice. You know what I mean? To carry on the work of Chadwick Boseman. Who better than Rachel Dolezal? One of the most important Black people of my generation, certainly. I do hope that somebody did skip forward and that joke's only for those

of us who just don't give a fuck. What's weird is the new Black Panther does have an OnlyFans. Yes. Is that real? Yeah. Oh yeah, she's got one. Rachel Dolezal, not the new Black Panther. Also, little wingies on the feet that you fly

by sort of ice skating around through the sky on is a fun little thing that i don't know it's just like superman they have superman flying just through like sheer tyranny of will and alien superpowers and like you know that was i feel like that's usually how we see it so a fun new little way for somebody to fly around that allows you to say little wingies on the feet is uh is a win i think for for the superhero genre i did not see the movie i saw that uh dr strange movie by the by the director who i really like whose name sam Sam Raimi. Sam Raimi. Yeah. I've liked a lot of his movies.

I saw that Dr. Strange movie and I was like, this is the last, this is the last Marvel movie I ever have to see. This is, I'm, I think I'm out. I will say the new Black Panther was better than Dr. Strange.

Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. Black Panther had Rachel Dolezal and Doctor Strange didn't. That's the difference. That's the big difference. Although, if Rachel Dolezal is anything, I feel like that should be named Doctor Strange.

You know what I mean? Am I right? Over here with that. Heyo. Heyo. What is something you think is underrated, Dave? Okay. This is going to be more controversial than saying I didn't like Black Pantherther that much i saw the whale yesterday it's dark our good friend brendan

frazier it's two hours of him going friend of the show people are amazing over and over again which is now i just do it to annoy my girlfriend. I'm like, hey, Dorothy. People are amazing. People are amazing. Oh, it's amazing. People have slagged this movie off a lot. And I've read a lot of reviews that have been very negative towards the film. Understandably so. I think the way that it handles obesity, I don't even know if we should be using the word obesity. I feel like some people feel that's a trigger or a slur.

But people, bigger people, the way it handles it is not great. There are scenes where he's like bathing or trying to do various things, takes his shirt off. And this music plays where it's like the creature from the Black Lagoon just popped out of a bathtub or something. It's really kind of like a horror movie adjacent and it's also like um it's deeply deeply not subtle this is one of the most obvious movies of all time but i was also moved by it i don't want to get too deep into talking about the whale on this podcast but i did relate to some of the themes of the movie, specifically about being a parent, about divorce, about guilt in how you're raising your kid and feeling

like you failed yourself or you failed them, feeling shame. Like, these are all emotions we all kind of go through. And I connected to the movie. And I think one of the sad things about the way we talk about films or art in general, how we talk about films or art in general, how we talk about creativity is often literal. This is a deeply literal movie, but it also has things to offer if you engage with it in any kind of way. But I think people look at any film they go to, especially movies that are prestige films, and they say, if it doesn't conform to exactly what

I think and it doesn't make me feel good, every single second, I'm going to setetic person going to a movie, if I'm not thinking about what the filmmaker is trying to say or hopes to say, then why am I bothering with it? I might as well just go see Black Panther again. You know, I want movies to move me in a real way. And I think there are things to like about The Wh the whale even though it can be very stupid and very offensive to certain people the fact that it's about a large person and called the whale is and also not starring someone who is that yeah it's like a fat suit guys i don't know if you know this but it's a metaphor it metaphor. He's not really a whale. No, I'm just kidding.

He's not really a whale? Hold up, dude. I thought Free Willy was going to be in this. Yeah. But it does turn out people are amazing. People are amazing. Now that's going to be stuck in my head. I'm going to make that my alarm.

I will say that I was thinking about this with the discussion of everything everywhere all at once i loved that movie i thought it was amazing but i i do think like there was like a lot of criticism from like white people who couldn't relate and part of what i was thinking about it today was like i mean obviously there are aspects of movies that you like and aspects you don't like and And I don't know why exactly what you said. We have to have everything be perfect because people aren't perfect and art isn't perfect. But there can be like things that make you feel something different. And also, like, not everything has to be for you.

Like, if something is harmful, I understand criticizing it. And the whale in those ways is very harmful. I understand criticizing it and the whale in those ways are is very like harmful but if something isn't harmful and it's you just thought it was like corny or cringe or whatever people were tweeting about everything everywhere all at once like just leave it let people be cringe that's not harmful you know what I mean it's hard people people are criticizing that movie now because like I think it's because it got slotted so much okay it's finally being accepted like michelle yale being the first so there's gotta be a backlash yeah so there's a backlash and it tends to be like a racist backlash you know like it's from white people they're like

i can't relate it doesn't look like me um so i think or and then they kind of try to come up with other reasons other than race but yeah so i think there's that now so there's like discourse about it and i'm like whatever i enjoyed it and i had fun and i moved on you know yeah at the at the end of the day i think it's true that people aren't amazing some people aren't amazing i think yeah there is so much art being created and so much to consume that I think people are looking for an excuse to hate something or not like something. And then you pair that dynamic of like from the consumer end with the like critical or just like word of mouth critical element of every time you say you like something it's a risk like it's it's very easy to just be like one of 10 people to be like yeah i don't i don't really like that because blah blah blah you know so like staking your claim to something i

i actually don't agree with that i don't think it is like a risk i'm not more likely to judge someone harshly for a recommendation than i am for them saying that they hated something that i loved but i i do feel like people are just like guarded and they're like i don't want to let i don't want to i don't want to be vulnerable and say i liked this thing you know i also think like that is very true in terms of social currency, but I also think a lot of takes are actually physically financially monetized. You know what I mean? So if you're making controversial statements or if you dislike something, you can legit earn money off of that through social media. So it's easy to... People want to have a take and jump in on the discourse

and make money off of it, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I'd be way more successful if I said absolutely ridiculous things all the time. And when I wake up in the morning, I have a choice to make every day, which is do I want to be a

complete soulless shill for horrible things, or do I want to just be a normal guy? And I choose normal guy most of the time. I'm this close to choosing shill, okay? I'm so close. That's what capitalism does to you. Exactly. It nails you against a wall.

Makes it seem like the adult responsible thing to do. I've said it before. I'll say it again okay i am i am a queer brown woman all right i could sell out so easily to the right you know i would be so good at it it was there would be shock waves there would be candace owens is so powerful in conservative media because she stands out and she can be that person that someone drags in and says, look, see, she doesn't mind police violence against unarmed citizens. And she's black. Yeah. It's just like black police officers. They cover up all the things that nobody wants you to see.

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hear this, the video has probably been released. But one of the articles I just wanted to highlight is about the unit that they were a part of. And we see that we see this a lot like we saw it with the gun trace task force in baltimore these cops were a part of a unit of 40 officers who were designed to stop violence and the acronym they gave themselves as a unit for such a benign peacekeeping mission was scorpion street crimes operation to restore peace in our neighborhoods unit because what sends a message that you are looking to gain the trust of the community better than like the antagonist from that aesop's fable the about a fucking you know someone who is trusted for one character yeah it's a mortal kombat character it's the thing that like

the person in the sub-sphere will trust for one second and they're like what what the fuck did you expect yeah and i don't know it just we've gotten a lot of really hard to refute evidence that maybe the police are a bad idea over the past year we're going to keep getting it and just the way that the mainstream media metabolizes this evidence is the problem like it or it's a huge part of the problem like they don't stop and look at it often enough the the cops in the subway shooting like running away from danger and telling people close by to call 9-1-1 was just echoed by a video where someone fell onto the subway tracks and a bunch of citizens jumped down to lift them up to safety while a cop stood on the

side and like waved his flashlight at any trains that might have been coming because someone had to do that, but he picked the cush job in that scenario. He was doing that so casually too. He was taking breaks and stuff. I was like, what is happening? As long as the mainstream media responds to any... So this Scorpion Task force was a response to murder rates in Memphis going up after the pandemic. And the way that that rise in crime was covered by the mainstream media was a fucking crime in and of itself. When you actually go back and look,

people actually did the work to see what was happening, and they found that a lot of these programs, these social programs and public schools, were frozen for a long period of time, and those are things that are there to keep people doing things as a community and you know interacting and doing productive things and when those things all stopped there was a rise in the murder rate and the mainstream media's analysis of the rise in the murder rate was that the police feelings

were hurt and that's why there was a rise in the murder rate like that is ultimately what their version came down to because like any they also said that it was because they got defunded which didn't happen like any defunding was ultimately minimal so i don't know i just as we're experiencing the coming news cycle like i just want to be conscious of the fact that we this is going to start a new conversation about defunding the police and it's going to be treated as or what what else what else could we possibly do you know we this is the only thing that we have is creating these like task forces that are like the troop surges in iraq like where they just like send people in to be like extra violent and send extra people in and like fund extra fund the police and it's like i just want everybody to keep in mind like that is not what the data says

that's not what any of the evidence suggests works. And we have like so we're just being fucking bombarded with evidence constantly that that's the case. Like policing, doubling down on policing doesn't fucking work. It's really sickening that it feels like George Floyd died. We went through everything that summer trying to like defund the police. And now they've just taken this narrative and said that we have when we haven't. And that's why, you know, it's like, it's kind of like the right being like, oh, this is what the world has come to. And you're like, yeah, this is what capitalism has made the world. You can't just say it's socialism. You know, you can't just say that it's the opposite of what it is. Because like the numbers do speak to the fact that funding police actually causes

more violence. It raises like crime rates. When the NYPD was on strike, crime rates fell in other in other cities. And like, you know, in Massachusetts, I think, there was a police station that was disbanded and crime rates fell. It all points to defunding the police and funding social services as actually stopping violence. cannot fund a cop city in atlanta you cannot fund all of these so-called like training organizations or military militarize the police and have no repercussions because the reason they're acting like this the reason that they're able to you know kill black people unarmed people on the street or even in their homes like with that disabled man that happened like recently he came out with his hands up and they shot him as soon as he opened the door yeah the reason that they're acting like this is because they have guns and they have tanks and they have gangs as described in you know from knock la about the

lapd you know like they have the protection of a system and if you keep funneling money into it they're never gonna stop this is this is domestic terrorism that's what this is yeah yeah yeah and i think it's it's really important to talk about all the times when police officers don't do what they're supposed to do right the the the subway guy you know where's the bravery where is the where were the the brave police officers in uvalde they weren't uvalde is a great example yeah that i should have included i mean i mean they there was a supreme court case that justified that they do not have to prevent crime or like act when crime is happening that's why that Parkland officer was allowed to run away with no repercussions.

That is not their job. They are protected by law to not do the job that we are using our tax dollars to pay them to do. Yeah. It comes down to power dynamics, right? When you have the upper hand and you can use that power to commit crimes, you're going to. And when you don't have power, when you are required to be fully selfless, to be brave, to be a protector, you're not going to do it. Because you got into the police force not to be brave. You got into the police force not to be brave you got into the police force to have power and we have continued in media entertainment to propagate the narrative that police officers are awesome and isn't it cool to be a cop you know you turn on chips in the 70s and it's like wow they get to wear sunglasses and ride around on a motorcycle isn't that neat yeah or like start to turn on brooklyn 99 you know and it's like this is the

greatest job yeah but we don't see the heroism that is the hallmark of selflessness is to give yourself for someone that you don't know a stranger that's what it should be about is protecting people but it is not about that it is a it is a social club for people with no empathy yeah i i think another telling thing is like the more you dig into all of these points that we make the more insidious it gets like the number of you know like cops get to the reason that there's so many cop shows is because of that um deal that they have where they they you know people can use top precincts and things to like or you know cop i want to say accessories almost but like cars things like that in order to film and they can do it for free it's like a deal with media and in the same way that

mainstream media in terms of reporting is on the cop side they just take these police reports and run with them despite knowing that they have lied over and over again whenever there's video you know and sometimes when there is video they still lie about it you know so it's like it's insane that they just get this freebie and this benefit of the doubt. And I will say that the people who do exhibit that selflessness and that visceral ability to sacrifice themselves and their lives to protect people are the ones fighting against cops. Like Roy Wood Jr. just on the Daily Show did an investigation or, you know, a report about Cop City and the people

who are organizing against Cop City. And they're literally living in the forest. And, you know, they have, people have, Tortuguita, you know, was killed by, an environmental activist was killed by cops during the protests and, or, you know, trying to protect and prevent Cop City from being built in Atlanta. And they're, they're like like literally living all of those people are like literally living in the forest they've disguised their voices and their faces they at any point could become victims of the system because we know cops target people who protest against them and that those people are like actually putting their lives on the line because they don't have you know tanks and guns and everything and they're literally going up in a fight against those people who do in order to

protect the environment protect the community make sure a black and brown community isn't invaded by this insane training center or the you know cops aren't further militarized it's it's wild how how the media paints those people yes crazy for actually standing up and doing something after years you have these amazing underdog stories like built in to the reality to the power dynamics of the civilization you were making media for and you like still bend over backwards to like make stories that like center the police as the protagonist it's it's fucked and just like it definitely it doesn't make narrative sense it doesn't make for like good storytelling but there's just a lot of inertia

there there's a lot of like institutional you know know, inertia. And yeah, you get you get the cool. You get to borrow police cars and drive around and run the siren on your movie or whatever. Accessories. I like it. They love accessories. The police is a player. Their little costumes. They think they're special with their little costumes.

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to unblock his accounts and argued that the ban on him that uh happened on j like after the january 6th attacks has they said dramatically distorted and inhibited the public discourse which is wild because that's like a perfect description of what his presence on social media did for like all the years that he was the president essentially and meta just agreed and we're like oh they asked so we kind of got to let them back on but they also announced that they have new guardrails in place and according to meta's vice president of global global affairs if trump keeps posting violating content it will be removed and he will be suspended again

and he's literally doing that but on truth social right yeah he just does it like that's the thing people are like yo we don't have to imagine what he's going to post he just like created a like shadow land version of like social media where he has continued to do the exact same thing except now he is a full believer in the death cult that he is like the godhead of it's it's like really scary that's like a big like things have not gotten better since he was banned he like the he started doing those speeches with like the big orchestral like swelling music that like comes from the q anon soundtracks like these like these like q anon mixtapes that they were selling that are like very popular available on soundcloud yeah no like literally cds that you can can buy where they just like stole music from different places. But he like at one point, like this music starts swelling up like as he was delivering a speech and it was like QAnon music and his audience was like giving the Q salute. And they're like, yeah, well, you know, we'll we'll we'll put a content warning if he's, you know, like, they're basically saying,

and they also said for borderline posts and for rule breaking content that it deems newsworthy, the posts will stay up, but Meta may also remove the reshare button for those posts or stop the posts from being recommended. so he's literally allowed to violate their own content rules if it's newsworthy which it is by definition because he is the former president who leads a death cult that like a terrifying percentage of the country believes in but it's also so funny they're, if he does something newsworthy on our platform, which we are allowing him to do by letting him back on our platform, we'll allow it to stay up. Like, bro, just don't make him make news.

Like, what are you doing? It is both less a guardrail than a sneeze guard and also a little bit like trying to put guardrails on the titanic as it's sinking like it's just so yeah i also like i want to have a life where i have such influence that like billion dollar companies have to make special rules for me you know they have to let me in and make special rules because that's how hard i've touched them you know yeah it's a perfect storm of disaster because trump is obviously flailing with this campaign so far it's bizarre that he announced so quickly but i imagine it was for the purposes of fundraising because that's the number one grift of donald trump's world which

is fundraising and also meta facebook, is not a particularly relevant place for conversation anymore. And it feels like a death rattle for that platform. And so, when they look at the numbers, and they say, oh, you know, we're hemorrhaging money. Nobody cares about the metaverse. This is a complete waste of time you know places like tiktok are eating our lunch what do we do but bring back donald trump because that ups engagement he's gonna buy ads across the platform to reach the audience that he still has which is primarily on places like facebook it worries me like anything that donald trump does worries me obviously because we lived through his presidency

but at the same time it does feel like one of these like kind of last ditch efforts on both sides to rescue the relevancy of things that were relevant a decade ago right yeah it's like the end of the notebook where they hold hands and die together, but it's like the dark version of Facebook. It's so beautiful. The true loves of like insurrection and insurrection creator, you know? Yeah. It's,

it's really sad to watch on both sides. And I at least have some kind of hope that because Facebook is already so desperately lame that it will continue to wither away because of this decision i yeah i can totally see the internal argument and like how how it was framed i also have for a while now had my eye on mark zuckerberg as like the next big domino to fall in the like formerly center like mainstream media darlings to who like basically embrace open fascism because he's got all the ingredients like he behaves like a fascist while still saying the right things for the most part so that that's like one symptom that he's going to ultimately just come out as fascist.

He's been like vilified by the sort of neoliberal mainstream that used to like think he was pretty cool. So he probably like feels very hurt by that because he was like getting something from that before and then it went away. for and then it went away and he's also a billionaire and is like you know it's either realized that like having that much money is basically a crime at this point because of like all the problems that are facing the world or you become a fascist and like embrace one of the many philosophies that are like available to you that allow you to you know just be be like and it turns out i am the hero of this narrative i don't i don't know mark zuckerberg is pretty pathetic oh yeah he's he's too much of a weasel i just think he's too much of a weasel to ever really be popular in those circles i don't think yeah he has the charisma or the the shamelessness of the truly successful fascists

out there elon musk is a perfect example of a guy who's just like i'm desperate for attention i don't think mark zuckerberg wants attention i think he eats some sort of white gruel paste every morning and powers up and then powers down before bed and doesn't really have any sort of understanding of human nature or what you know people think about him i don't i don't i just think he's like an alien and so i think he does okay yeah i think he does want attention otherwise why would he leak that sweet martial arts video that made us all so thirsty you You know what I mean? I feel like he's not doing it the way Elon Musk is. Elon Musk is like, please love me under every right

wing person's tweets. I actually think I'm pretty funny. Yeah. Interesting. But I'll look into it. People are amazing. He's never once uttered that. He thinks people are fucking pathetic but i think like zuckerberg is not looking to come out at a dave chappelle show i think zuckerberg is like i'll

just be like you know like the nerdy nice guy that like people overlook but like i'm like getting totally ripped i'm working on my tan on this what did he do? Wind surfing thing. He's just like, I'm going to be the cool billionaire that doesn't go through a divorce. I think he still wants to be liked. But not in the same way

that Elon Musk does. Not in the same way, no. Yeah, he's going to be posting feed on the racial chats. That's what he's going to do yeah i feel like the winklevoss twins would have been more overt with it you know more of that charisma you were looking for for sure but yeah yeah if the winklevoss twins had won that we would all be like in prison camps now yeah so anyways i another big indicator like as dave you you mentioned like they trump and his campaign entities have spent 157 million dollars on meta since 2018 like that was between 2018 and like when he was banned so

he he's the number one political ad buyer and there's a reason for that those ads are super fucking targeted and really good at reaching people and you know you can spread like i think one of the ads that got banned was like him using nazi like imagery in his ads and they're like whoa that's that's a bridge too far and he's like well i've been i've used it across a hundred ads like what is what is that like that email interaction like you know when you like violate a twitter like terms of service or whatever and they're like hey polyby we're worried about your mental health like are you okay and you're like appeal i'm gonna kill myself just not now you know but like what do they do that like does he get an email that's like hey it violates community guidelines that you

said you love nazis and he's like i'm gonna appeal this i did say that and it is on video but i am gonna appeal this you know like how does that work yeah since when is love not uh part of the terms of service huh oh that's against the terms of service to love something organized community you know we just have a little group we get together and we light a pyre and uh we march around for a little bit what's the problem in in the case of you know using nazi imagery but do doing it while paying facebook the thing that needs to happen is that like a bunch of people have to call it out in the media to for them to then be like oh we really hate to do this and then there's probably some like really like glad handy emails back and forth being like oh guys uh this is probably a

mistake and totally you know well-intentioned but you've been using nazi symbolism in your ads constantly oh pa it's like you had spinach in your teeth but nazi symbolism in your ad you know give you 40 days to get back to us on this one it really is like like up to the advertisers to pull out you know like and those people aren't gonna do it unless there's outrage with you know like this citizens you know like unless there's outrage with the people so it's it takes like a it's a whole like tiered thing of like okay we have to like threaten the advertisers to threaten these social media giants to get you know these just fucking hate speech off off in front of our screens this is the problem that most people will never see that stuff it's exactly targeted to the people

that it will work the most effectively on yes The algorithm knows you're really going to like this imagery from Triumph of the Will, so we're going to feed it to you. So I will never see it. I'm not on Facebook. So I'm not even interacting with people who have seen it, which means that there is a whole other ecosystem. There's a whole other

world where this stuff is being pumped into your brain. And that's the thing that I find the most insidious about facebook if mark zuckerberg tomorrow said uh that he thinks that uh jewish people he's jewish if jewish people were terrible and need to be put into camps that might be better for the world because then we would be able to say this is bad one of the great things about elon musk is that he is so terrible at his job which is the figurehead of a company that we can all point to the stupid stuff that he says we can all look at how right wing and and hateful he really is deep down

you can't do that with mark zuckerberg you can't do that with facebook or meta or whatever the company is called now because it is it treats itself as completely politically neutral it says we don't believe in any of the things that are on our platform we take no responsibility for what is on our platform we have a responsibility to these shareholders we have a responsibility to make money and so that allows them to whitewash everything and it can seem banal it can seem non-threatening it can be oh we're not called facebook anymore now we're called meta and we have this metaverse and actually this company is really exciting and it's about community it's not about community it's about propaganda

foisted onto people uh paid propaganda which is the worst thing because the people with the most money have the most access to the megaphone that's scary to me scarier than him being a right-wing guy is him being just completely focused on money that is true and i but i think like one of the things well a few different things like the metrics don't even prove that they're neutral beyond like the the theory of like oh saying all of this hate speech versus we want to feed and house and educate people that's itself not neutral you know what i mean like if you look at the two sides of it but in addition to that the metrics show that like you know the like right-wing posts are being shown to more people and in like a more targeted

way and like people on the left are like don't have their posts like promoted as as well i guess or even like suppressed sometimes i think they had like a news story on that like within the last year but oh yeah i mean reality is different from perception yeah reality is 100 what you're talking about the perception is we're facebook it's a place for you to post photos of your kitty and so as long as the perception remains neutral people will not be upset the way that they should be the way that they're upset about twitter because it is out in the open and it says this is what it's supposed to be. So I want them to be more up front about it. I want them to be saying these things and being clear about what this platform is for. I mean, it's

the same back to the cops thing, right? It's all about branding and perception. Yep. All right. Well, Dave, truly a pleasure having you on the show. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Oh boy. Well, I'm still on Twitter. I hate to say it,

but I'm still there because I don't know what else to do with my life. I'm at Dave underscore Schilling for the time being. You can follow me on Instagram at DW Schilling if you want to see pictures of my son,

which is, I guess I should probably start deleting those. I don't want people Instagram at DW Schilling. Uh, if you want to see pictures of my son, uh, which is, I guess I should probably start deleting those. I don't want people following him around. And, uh, I, I,

you know, I'm still writing for the LA times. So if you have style interests, needs, curiosity, please read me in the LA times. There you go. And is there a tweet or some other work of media, social media, that you've been enjoying?

Oh, boy. I'll go back to the whale. And anytime somebody posts a photo of him on the Zoom in the movie teaching his class, I kind of chuckle. Not because he is playing a larger person, but because of how ridiculous the makeup is and the faces that he makes in this film. It feels like Dick Tracy sometimes. So anytime there's a meme with Brendan Fraser and the whale in it, I will laugh. I don't have one in particular. I just love the fact that they did this movie, that the makeup is nominated for an Oscar and he looks like a cartoon man. That's Aaron Offs, right?

That is, yes. It's sort of kind of a sibling to The Fountain in a way, I think. If you like The Fountain, you might like this movie. Way less science fiction in The Whale, sadly. There's no spaceships or time travel in this one. But, yeah. I like a lot of his movies. I think The Wrestler is probably his

best film, but he is not a subtle guy. This is not a subtle movie. The subtlety of Requiem for a Dream. He just gets a big double-ended dildo and whacks you over the head with it for two hours. Ass to ass, he says.

Anyway, I just want to depart by saying one more time, people are amazing. Pauly, where can people find you, follow you, and is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? I'm Paula Vegan Allen everywhere. And I've been watching. Okay, so I do have a tweet, but I have been watching a lot of like 90s movies. Like and a lot of like, you know, like Julia Roberts, Hugh Grant.

I'm going to go back into Brendan Fraser's catalogzier's catalog but i just watched boomerang for the first time like 90s 80s stuff and uh i enjoyed it i mean sure it's hella homophobic and transphobic but yeah that's something that i had to turn my brain off for whenever watching anything from comedians of that time but or those comedians of that time but i enjoyed the rest of the movie if i you know blacked out that part but one tweet that i do want to talk about okay so chris d'alia posted on his instagram or something his ugly ass face and then he said catch chris d'alia in new york on february 18th 2023 and then my friend mohanad el shiki el sheki m-o-h-a-n-a-d-e-l-s-h-i-e-k-y posted that screenshot and said yeah i hope they

do catch you you know he's on the loose i hate these rapists y'all get them off these streets. Chris Hansen descends from the ceiling. Yeah. From, from to catch a predator. You guys remember that? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh yeah. When he would descend from his, from the ceiling, they definitely should have done that. Just like WWE style. Yeah. Just like,

like Batman crashing through opening the Doritos he brought for his child victim and like chris what's his name like descends slowly from yeah behind him uh i've been enjoying just some tweets some simple statements that have been tweeted out by celebrities uh yesterday i enjoyed that sandra bullock tweeted i was so scared when we were making Gravity. And then Wiz Khalifa... It's really up there in space. That made me laugh so much. I've been watching her movies. I love her.

Yeah. I do too. She's so good in The Lost City. What a star. Wiz Khalifa just tweeted, I'm just starting to realize how funny the granddad from The Simpsons is. Oh, yeah. I retweeted that.

That's good stuff. Yeah. I loved it. Yeah. It's been 30 years, but my man finally came around to Abe Simpson. Big Abe. Too many Abe haters out there. Yeah.

Abe's one of the best Simpsons characters of all time. Oh, yeah. Truly. Some of my favorite. That gif of him walking into the ladies and then walking out. That might be. I use that all the time. That and Homer backing into the bushes might be my two favorite Simpsons gifs. Amazing.

These are my secret favorites. Those are probably also the two most popular ones or two most commonly used, but they're used for a reason. They're both beautiful. And also Rajat Suresh tweeted, what is a good male acting performance where he is Borat? Which I just thought was funny. Did you pick the sequel or did you pick the original? I mean, I picked the TV show, actually.

Oh, okay. Interesting. There you go. Do people know about that HBO TV show where he was bored the Ali G show yeah like do people yes that was where it all started yeah I know I know but like do I feel like that's due for like young people being like yo have you seen this on TikTok it just becomes a dance trend yeah like the the new seinfeld or friends or the office i do think that like a lot of people don't know where like i i have been re-watching seinfeld

and have not realized like how many pop culture references come from that show yeah and so i feel like people are starting or probably there are probably a lot of young people who are like my wife and have no idea why they're saying you know yeah it. There's a whole legion of people who were like, did you see that Frasier from the show Frasier was on a show about a bar? Oh my God. That's so weird seeing them drink beer. It makes me happy. They shouldn't know everything.

Let them know what they know now. And I'm not one of the people who gets frustrated when they they find out and they're like have you heard of cheers i'm not like yes you fucking idiot i'm so happy that you're experiencing this you've got all this time and you're not spending it watching old television shows you mother absolute piece of shit yeah you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song that we think you might enjoy. Super producer Justin, what is a song that you think people might enjoy?

So I've just been listening to these short little TikTok songs that, you know, pop up in like a minute and a half. And this one came across my radar. This is comedian and rapper Zach Fox. He was on another show I work on, My Mama Told Me. Sippin' My Tea. Incredible song. There's like, the jokes per second are astounding. It made me laugh like several times. And the beat is fire.

So this is Zach Fox, Sippin' My Tea, and you can find that song in the footnotes. Alright. Thank you, Justin. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning, but we are back this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we will talk to you all then. Bye!

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