The Daily Zeitgeist - Inside Portland, Netflops? 7.21.20

Episode Date: July 21, 2020

In episode 676, Jack and Miles are joined by Ridiculous History and Stuff They Don't Want You To Know's Ben Bowlin to discuss The Old Guard and Fatal Affair on Netflix, and more! Plus Robert Evans joins to talk about the protests and arrests going on currently in Portland, Oregon.FOOTNOTES: Behold the falcon sex hat, a species-saving hump helmet PDX Protest Bail Fund 50 Nights of Unrest in Portland What You Need To Know About The Battle of Portland This Makeshift Kitchen Provided Free Food Outside Portland’s Justice Center. Now, Police Have Locked Them Out. Why You Can’t Trust Netflix’s New 10 Most-Watched Movies List The Old Guard is one of Netflix's most popular movies  ‘The Old Guard’ Unseated By A Truly Surprising Movie On Netflix’s Top 10 List An Unexpected Netflix Movie Has Quietly Been Dominating Despite Terrible Reviews WATCH: Benny Sings - Passionfruit Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That is courtesy of Christy Yamaguchi-Manet man and i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray what it is cold what's up what's up can the player get test results results swap your brain like it ain't even hurt don't cry just get some dessert just get your number and they'll call and make sure to steer clear of the mall stay at home just play with your dolls going crazy staring at four wiles okay shout out to trillville shout out to uh at anna claire hodge i believe that's this above all to thine own self you trill i believe is your uh ig handle if i recall correctly and then if i go even further back when we were at podcast movement uh the homeboy who was like selling like uh microphone accessories was like hey my friend anna side game can i get a

video uh and it all comes together so shout out to you shout out to trill and miles we are thrilled to be joined once again by the man, the myth, the legend, the host of Ridiculous History. Many a podcast on our network. He is Mr. Ben Smokin' Bolin. Oh, yes. AKA Ann Bolin. Ban Bolin. What's up, man? Oh, man.

You know, third time around, feels good to be back. You guys are a sight for sore eyes. I feel like... Hey, thank you. I feel like a lot of us can agree, peek behind the scenes. We might not always be appearing on each other's shows, but as Miles and Jack pointed out before we rolled today, we pretty much see each other every Tuesday.

Yeah. Thursday. Thursday, that's right. Yeah, wow, we're losing time dilation. Ben is the face of the executive producer's meeting in the podcast division. He's always like, for some reason, he's just pinned to the podcast division. He's always like, for some reason, he's just pinned to the top left.

He has that real estate staked out, real estate out. And yeah, it's great. We get to just kind of see his spit takes every time there's a new announcement. He really hams it up. It's great. I said I'm sorry, Jack.

All right? It was in my contract. It seemed like a good idea at the time. I fucked up, okay? I know. I know. At one time when they announced a new show and you fell backwards out of your seat, that was amazing physical comedy.

Ben, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment, But first, we like to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. First, we're going to be talking to Robert Evans in Act Two of the show about what he's witnessed on the streets of Portland these past... of the 55, 56 consecutive nights of uprising on the streets of Portland, where the president has just sent federal troops to kind of enforce his will. And yeah, basically sort of using Portland as a test kitchen for a civil war. So we're going to talk about Robert, who's been witnessing that firsthand.

We're going to talk about the Netflix shows that we promised we would watch and review for you guys. I watched The Old Guard with Charlize Theron. And I picked that when that was number one on Netflix. And then, Miles, you picked The Fatal Affair. Oh my god.

Yeah, baby. Which has been number one ever since you picked it. So I have to assume. Oh, it's number one? That's the Zeitgeist bump. Yeah, it was number one all weekend. See what happens? You know what I mean? You just mentioned that two stars who are massive in the 90s are on a Netflix thing, and then it does the work for itself? Nah.

Mm-hmm. But yeah, so Fatal... It's not Fatal Attraction. That's a different movie, right? It's Fatal Affair, I think. But that's... So we'll talk about that and also just generally the overall Netflix

stats. I just want to point out, Miles stormed out when you said Fatal Attraction. Yeah, that it wasn't Fatal Affair because he thought it was Fatal Attraction and had watched that. Then when I said it was Fatal Affair, he stormed off to watch it. He has watched it on super fast motion. Now he's back. At 4,000x.

Took him five seconds, but he's Matrix braining that shit. Just direct upload. All of that, plenty more. But first, Ben, we like to ask our guest what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are oh man uh i i'm gonna be honest i thought about whether i should give you guys some smoke and mirrors uh and something amusing these are troubled times uh but really this is a sad story i got uh i got really

into the idea of falconry and i was like that's a real thing uh you know me me and my uh me and one of my close friends were like let's dream about what we'll do if there's a world without a lockdown and you know a world to come back to and we were like fucking falcons bro we're gonna be falcon people yeah uh so my search history is pretty deep in uh falconry it's a thing you can do uh turns out it's a little bit complicated yeah a little bit more more complicated than we thought it would be when we were having a falcon on a glove yeah right right you can't even use a glove at home you got to get it like a special glove we took a pitch back at crack from a falcon on a glove yeah right right you can't even use a glove at home you got to get it like a special glove we took a pitch back at crack from a falcon or uh somebody who's a who falcons for

living uh and they were talking about it's actually really fascinating like they use it for hunting they use the falcon like so anytime somebody makes the argument that like second uh second amendment like i i need to have my gun for hunting uh you could be using a falcon sir yeah which is way cooler way more badass just breed a bunch of cool falcons or if you had like a i don't know what the term is like a fleet of owls because you know like that one murder mystery or like they thought maybe the owl got the woman at the base of her skull and shit yeah you just have these like owl assassins and shit yeah staircase staircase yeah exactly be a real who done it here's why i'm not gonna be a falconer sorry uh ben i have to uh i have to retire after that uh

after that who doneunit from Miles. Bring me my crown. Our show has peaked. But yeah, the stats, I don't have them in front of me, but the stats on the number of school mass falconings are much lower than gun violence. Those are just facts, Jack, and that's what I love about this show. That's right. I saw a guy, like a faler i know i think lafc the mls team like there's like a falcon or a hawk or someone who's like part of the team and i saw the guy who's the handler like

walking through like the concourse and like this like bar and the like while he's talking the falcon took the wildest shit like on the table next to him and it was funny because the falconer didn't even flinch and the woman he was speaking to his like neck almost broke when she's like oh i think and he was just bulldozing through it i was like okay yeah the falcon's edge yeah i gotta tell you guys i gotta confess just real quick here's why i'm never gonna be a falconer i got in over my head i got in too deep i didn't order anything yet i'm not responsible for raising a falcon thank god uh it turns out that there's a um a way that people falconers had to save some falcon species and they basically they they invented a very specific type of hat yeah and

they would have the falcon bang the hat while someone was wearing it to help the species reproduce and i was like this is not this is not what i signed up for wait i'm just have have sex with the hat okay okay yeah where do i sign up for this hat let me what let me show you i don't under wait that like weird like the hood that keeps them like blind until it's time to attack no it's a hat that the falconer is wearing it's like the falconer helmet the equivalent of a football helmet for Falconers, is a hat that the Falcon fucks. Yeah. Falconers are genuine. Falconers are some real head-banging stuff.

Wow. Wow. Quite literally. Wow. Okay. So, yeah. Well, I guess to each their own. I wish I didn't know that.

Well, now that we're there, I mean, what do you do? You can just leave it and the hawk knows what time it is already. You're like, is that the hat? Okay, thank you. I'll come back in five seconds. How does it work?

No, you have to be wearing it, I think. Is that right? Yeah. Wait, you have to wear the hat and it fucks the hat while it's on your head? You could see videos and the people wearing the hat while it's on your head you could you could see videos and the people wearing the hat like make falcon noises like the equivalent of falcon dirty talk yeah you know and and oh yeah

i get i've seen it a million times uh literal uh skull fucking oh wow yeah okay yeah so i'm i'm just saying i i am not going to judge them far be it for me to yuck someone's yum uh all respect to falconers it's just anybody who says that's a skill anybody who says yum while that is happening needs to be put in prison just getting their getting their hat fucked by a falcon and they utter the words yum well you're being too simplistic i'm saying yum because i know that hawk is gonna catch so many yummy mice later yeah that's true okay cool cool also yum to the way it's fucking oh it seems like debasing you know what i mean like at that point are you are you actually in control of the falcon but i'm watching the videos and the the falcons are all very pretty ricky about it like they're really just like

putting in like very smooth uh they put on a little r&b and just like give give some dramatic uh no i'm just joking uh i'm not watching the video i never will uh that is my vow to myself it looks like the hat and this one looks like a crock. They turned into a bucket hat. It's like, I think, a training hat or something. Anyway, this will be a whole other episode we'll do. No, I mean. Sorry, guys.

Sorry. That's why I got out of it. Ben, you can't do a search history that deserves to be its own 25-part series. Damn. What is something you think is underrated? Okay, honestly, I think the damaging or deleterious effects and callousness of people on social media. And I never thought I would be a hardcore advocate for something like this.

I'm not a mental health expert or something. I know we probably talked about it on Daily Zeitgeist but the kanye west presidential bid for example like the guy's actually filing paperwork you can see it he's filed for oklahoma and stuff and people are you know i think we easily forget that uh even celebrities or whatever real people uh i i think it's like we have to remember we don't know these people and it's very close to shitting on someone with mental illness i get it roast people i'm all roast everybody at some point but i i think that we're not giving due deference to uh the fact that these are real people at the other end of the hand. So that's me making up for the Falcon fucking hat. Yeah.

I mean, well now that's, we have to, I mean, it's clear he is in a state of distress. Like he, that, that clip of him in South Carolina,

whatever that rally or stumps, whatever you want to call that was really unsettling. Like it was, it was kind of upsetting to see because he was sort of all over the place. And you could tell based on the way he was talking, it was almost as if everyone was telling him to not go. And he was like, no, I know what's best for me. Don't tell me what to do. Because he was like, if Kim divorces me for doing this, I don't care. And I was like, that almost sounds like she may have said, please don't do this or you're putting our marriage at risk.

And he still went out and did it. And that's the other sort of toxic side of the equation is like on one hand, people look at it and they're like, wow, it's the TV. Because I've been, you know, sort of inoculated with this idea, this message that like to be a celebrity means like the perfect existence where everything is manicured and like, you know, stresses of the world don't reach you. where everything is manicured and like you know stresses of the world don't reach you but then we lose our ability to just look at him and say this man is in he's like in pain and it could also be that there are many people around him who are not really taking that seriously and just want to keep this thing going like of being around him and saying like enabling him and there's a lot of talk too that he's seriously like there he's going to seriously put a lot of his businesses in jeopardy too with this um the whole campaign and everything with it

oh yeah what is something you think is overrated ben going to the office ever again hell yeah i i don't ever want to you know what i mean i snuck snuck into the Atlanta office, and I'll be honest, I snuck in there just because I knew there were still some snacks in the break room. The Atlanta office break room is nothing on the LA break room. That's just no. Really? I don't know.

You guys have that really nice refrigerator. I remember going in there and being like, we need a refrigerator. The snacks always taste better in somebody else's office. That's true. Yeah, you get immediately tired of it the second time the snacks are always tastier on the other side yeah yeah that's why that's why jack's recording with the refrigerator in arm's reach yes exactly i think snacks are a theme yeah i was saying i burned 600 calories a minute doing this podcast so i got a fuel baby yeah man you're gonna waste away like

that that's that's the thing uh you know i think a lot of people first off you're very very fortunate if you're able to uh if you're able to work from home and increasingly if you're able to work at all but i think we're we're looking around the world even in places that were responsible with handling the pandemic we're seeing a bunch of people go hey i i kind of like not having to spend two and a half hours a day driving somewhere to have you know a meeting with some fucking paul or whatever apology to all the pauls in the audience who is paul the male equivalent of karen is that i don't know there's a lot of a lot of people are trying to figure it out it's hard it's hard to do i saw on reddit some people were trying to get joel

started i was like joel no no man yeah because karen has to be like a name that almost is like ubiquitous with some like karen works because you feel like you know a bunch of moms named karen right you're like which karen and's like, what's the dad equivalent? I have to ask though for you guys, because I was thinking about this and I was like, you know, I got my third shot coming on TDZ. They're going to kill me if I talk about quesadillas again, even though they're awesome. I was like, I want to hear from you guys when a vaccine comes out in those, in those dreamt of days when people are going out into the world or going into work on a regular basis do you i mean where do you guys fall on that do you see

a bunch of people going to the office or do you think it's a permanent change i don't know it's a mixture i honestly i feel like with comedy shows i miss being in a room with somebody me too there is something like when you perform like this show is like jack and i've been doing it for so long i don't feel the distance because i'm hearing him the same way like sensor like my sensory type way it's the experience is the same on other things that are like very very like performative comedy stuff i've been on i'm like uh like the timing's just a little off because you're not there. You can't feel the person's energy. You can't feel when someone's about to talk. So in those, I do. But in the broader perspective, it does have me rethinking the idea of what it

means to commute and what is the nature of being able to work from home and the additive qualities, because I've definitely been able to be better with my time working working from home so it's i don't know jack yeah i love gone i haven't even really like started to think about it because it's so far off i just think i think a podcast studio is like the worst possible place to actually be in because we're talking we're speaking into mics that uh presumably other people have used although we might change change that to being a policy i don't know it's it's complicated but i'm you know i i do like being in the same room with people i do i do believe in like ideas germinating and stuff but i'm definitely i've always been open to people fully working from home like on

our team and i i will continue to be that way and i'm sure people will take us up on it more more often going forward for sure but if there's a vaccine though then i'll feel but i don't know because then this the sequel comes out because like this is the hellscape we're in like i could feel like we'd only get five months of like, man, all right, COVID is managed. There's concerts, there's sports, and then the next thing is happening, whether that's with the climate or who knows. But I don't know. As a human, I just feel very unsettled in general with everything. And finally, Ben, what is a myth?

What's something people think is true, you know, to be false? Okay, this is going to be relevant to our conversation today. So there are documented cases of federal agents abducting people in Portland, Oregon, right? And we know that the White House says that, oh, you know, not only are we down with this horrific practice, but we want to essentially franchise it. We want to expand it to other cities. One of the myths is that that is a thing happening in the future. The San Diego Tribune has documented a similar practice in San Diego. in san diego uh in on june 6th uh the city council president georgette gomez called for an investigation into this uh undercover sdpd officers arrested some folks threw them in

unmarked vans and then drove off so it's the future is now in the worst possible way uh i i know it's not a one-to-one comparison, and I know there are a lot more funny myths out there, like Einstein was actually good at math. That's true. What? He shat the bed on an entrance exam, but then the rest of it, he performed the way that you would imagine

a polymath would perform. Yeah, he got that part, right? So anyway, I know it's a lot to keep track of cause we have so many things going on. And as you said, miles is hellscape, but yeah, this, something like this is already happening in other cities coming to a town near you. That's why we've been saying like at what, you know, it's clear that the government and a lot of legislators aren't like, they actually don't act like the Constitution is like a binding agreement, like in this country, because like it's like, oh, you know, first, fourth, sixth.

But I don't worry about any of these amendments or you're not protected. We'll we'll snatch you up in a van and we'll actually take you somewhere and then not even give you a record of your detainment. of your detainment. Uh, that's truly like, there is no, there is no document that has any kind of significance or that's, that anyone is giving any kind of reverence to at this point, because the lot,

like that behaviors of the federal government don't reflect that in any way. And I think, you know, again, to your point too, we can argue that there's, this has been happening for decades really.

Uh, but now we're like looking at it. We're like, Oh, has been happening for decades really uh but now we're like looking at it we're like oh we're at that stage where someone who has a uniform on won't even say who they are and it's like i'm gonna grab you by your shoulder and you're just you come with me now uh that's it's like sort of that unabashed now i think that's what's frightening because at what point are there going to be people who are armed, like citizens, who have people

approaching them who are not identifying themselves? And what happens then? And that's, I think, the kind of escalation that the government sort of is looking for, or in some reason, because they need to justify this really, really outlandish overuse of force. Because it's clearly not having the effect that the president did it was like i'm gonna clean up portland just wait and see and everyone's like dude please get the fuck out also this is so freaky this is like you're already doing you know like american fascism so that's not a bad trump voice though i gotta give it to you that wasn't bad comes and goes um all right guys let's take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to talk to Robert Evans,

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listening to it right now uh he's the host of an ongoing show called worst year ever again like it's getting weird how many things you were right about yeah uh you can you just do a podcast that says whoa miles grew back all his hair how'd that happen yeah i i have green lit the uh yeah the miles grew back his hair podcast uh and also won the lottery so now yeah oh the follow-up show yeah and i just want to be big if you could if i could become big like yeah like in the movie big starring exactly exactly you know you know tom hanks circa 1996 i just i just wish i was tom hanks that would have been better if the kid i wish he was tom hanks uh i want hey i want to robert can you add can you add a part where it's like ben boland showers regularly and oh no that his bowels. Yeah, you know, I'm going to be honest with you. My abilities have limitations.

Yeah. Oh, I was just thinking with Big, right? Josh Baskin, Carol Baskin, any relation? Oh, of course. Just think about that. Oh, yeah. Let's keep moving. I mean, there's that scene where he creepily goes back to his elementary school or middle school and just like watches the girl who he got big to date.

But he's like a 35 year old man and she's still like 13. Yeah. He just looks at her walking down the street and is like, ah, you know, simpler, simpler times. But for that machine done, turn my life upside down. Yeah. Anyways, his name's robert evans uh he has also been on the front lines in portland uh as uh all hell has broken loose and trump has started using that city as uh his fascism testing ground yeah that part's actually been great um lately yeah it's like you're the test kitchen for

whatever white supremacist fascism uh the trump administration wants to try out yeah you they tried out there yeah like yeah they tried it there and it's not working great so like robert you know things i think people have known that for the last, you know, over 55 days or so, it hasn't stopped in Portland. Although the media is typically only focused on times it's violent. There's been not much coverage of many of the peaceful protests that have continued in this country because, you know, it's not going to get eyeballs. But with Portland, I think many people were, you know know anyone who follows you can tell that the situation was not improving and then around the 14th of July is when we started seeing these reports of just federal goons hopping out of unmarked you know car unmarked minivans and

disappearing people so what I guess to put it professionally what the fuck is going on man I mean yeah there's been an uprising against the police. So the national focus has been on the feds because the feds, number one, are pretty visually spectacular. They have a fuckload of munitions and they just toss them out like goddamn candy. And they dress exactly like soldiers and they do violence in the way that soldiers do. And it's pretty spectacular to watch. So that has captured people and that and like the snatch vans have captured attention. But like the vast majority of the violence done during this uprising has been by the

Portland Police Bureau. And that's still what most people in Portland are most pissed about. And that's why this has gone on so long. Like before the president started making Portland the centerpiece of his reelection campaign, the size of the demonstrations had dwindled to like a good night would be 300 people. But there were 300 like hardened activists who had all completely lost their fear of police and were like willing to give up their lives standing up against them in a riot line and like fucking getting shot at for hours and we're just doing that every single night like it was fucking relentless and it was like the press corps a lot of us up until these last these last three or four days have been great because now there's all this attention and the big crowds have come back and like the police are on

the back foot but like we were all starting to fucking break down just as kind of the movement itself was because it seemed like this whole thing was dying yeah i noticed you were interviewed by this uh small time out of town newspaper the new york times uh yeah you might have heard of them so they're they're they're pretty interested in uh in the whole thing you've been there for like you said in that interview like probably 30 something of the 30 something, man. Yeah. Yeah. Most of them. I was there on the very first night. I've seen most of it. What what's sort of this interplay between the narrative that the right is using to say, OK, because it seems like if you're if you're tuning into Fox, their line is look at these left wing Democrat mayors and governors.

Let their towns get ripped up by anarchists. How do you think all of this, all of these visual elements, the, you know, sort of escalation with federal officers coming in, how that all plays into this sort of narrative that the White House wants? Well, you know, here's the thing I do want to push back against now, you know, the big demonstration last night was fueled a lot by Donald Trump. But as a rule, the reason this got this far is not because people hated Donald Trump. It's not because people hated the feds. It is because people in Portland recognize that their police bureau is particularly violent and problematic. Fifty eight percent of use of force cases by the Portland police is against the mentally handicapped. right? They had very recently an officer named Kruger in 2010.

He was caught basically like he was caught building and maintaining shrines to dead Nazis. And he got in trouble for it. And the police union sued and got him an apology. And he retired eventually with a full pension. A guy named Kruger? Yeah, I know. Shocking. That sounds like theland police union when a

quanice hayes was killed by the portland police bureau like blamed his mom for his death um and obviously like argued to let that nazi cop uh get you know an apology um the so the previous uh two chiefs ago daniel outlaw who's now the Philly police chief, when in 2018, Portland police shot a man in the back of the head with a grenade and nearly killed him. She went on a far right podcast and laughed about how this was an example of like Antifa getting the fight that they wanted. And on another instance, so like, you know, she left and then we had Chief Resch for a while, about six months. And she left after all this started because of how badly the initial police response to the demonstrations is we got a new guy chief lavelle who's a black man and who like when they made him the new police chief everybody was talking about how like good it is that now this you know we've got this black man who's really tied into the black community and he's going to

be a good police chief immediately a local journalist finds a story from when he was a school resource officer a few years earlier and a girl girl talked back to him, and he choked her. And he got sued for choking a 14-year-old. So it's like, yeah, Portland Police, good bureau. So again, the Portland Police have earned a huge amount of hatred by repeatedly assaulting people and showing a disdain.

I've watched them drag people on their backs over asphalt into clouds of tear gas like they don't give a fuck they are they are a bad police bureau um can you talk about riot ribs uh and oh fuck yeah i can talk about right that story because i feel like that's the kind of side of the uh protests and uh yeah community action that isn't getting covered this old man lorenzo showed up on july 4th and started cooking a shitload of ribs for people um and like one of my friends donovan farley who's a local journal or who's a journalist here does some writing for rolling stone and vice and stuff like when the police came out so the july 4th everybody laid

siege to the federal courthouse with illegal fireworks. So like people were just firing thousands and thousands of dollars worth of like commercial grade fireworks into the side of a courthouse while federal agents inside shot out at them and dumped tear gas like it was fucking burning pitch down the sides of a castle. It was quite a night. It was quite a night. And so eventually all these feds and cops like charge out and start trying to clear the parks and stuff. And like the crowd fought with them for hours. But like Donovan and a couple of other people who were just like clustered around this guy, Lorenzo, like protected him with their bodies. And we're like, you're not going to fuck up the ribs. And the cops basically looked at like this old black man cooking ribs and were like, probably not going to be great for us if we just beat the shit out of this guy tonight.

Like probably we should probably focus on beating the shit out of these teenagers. It's not like he's a 14 year old child, apparently. Yeah, he's not like he's a 14 year old child. Right. And yeah, Lorenzo the whole time was just being like, I got enough pork on here, piggies. I don't need you out here, too. And it was very funny.

So Lorenzo becomes something of like a fucking monument to the community and riot ribs gets started and lorenzo actually he's an older guy he hasn't been out as often but like riot ribs has become its own like self-reinforcing organization so there's a bunch of different cooks there's a mix of like folks who are just like motivated to the cause a lot of houseless people um and so it's become both like a 24-hour basically kitchen where you can eat your fill. But also they have like clothing donations set up. They have like, you know, food and water that's outside of the ribs.

They have like they do like resume writing and like, you know, trying to help people get like showers and clothing to like get work and stuff. So it's become like this community mutual aid organization too. And the police fucking hate it. They arrest the riot ribs guys most nights. They've done shit like slash their tires, steal their food and throw it away a bunch of times. And we have another, there's a guy who has a van

that's become called the BLM snack van. And it's just like a van covered in graffiti full of snacks that will drive around with the protesters while they're fighting the cops. And on July 4 like a van covered in graffiti full of snacks that will drive around with the protesters while they're fighting the cops. And on July 4th, he wasn't breaking the law, but the cops just slashed his tires while he was driving. It was this wild thing of just like, are you guys just cutting?

You're not even trying to arrest him. You just fucking cut his tires. What the hell is going on? Too many snacks. They hate people with snacks. Snacks are dangerous. Robert, you reported on the Ukraine kind of civil war, the uprising in the streets of Kiev.

Can you talk about just like how this, well, first of all, just explain like what happened there briefly and then talk about like what you're seeing now in the United States? You know, in Portland, it has when this all started, there was this because everybody was very enthusiastic when this started in Portland, but there was not a lot of like deep knowledge about how to there was a lot of knowledge about like how to coordinate a march, how to block off streets, how to like keep a crowd of people kind of safe in the streets as they prepare to confront the police.

Folks weren't very good at confronting the police initially. That took a lot of time. Like I've been watching, we've been watching this fucking crowd get better at it and like going from like getting tear gassed once and everybody scatters through the streets to like holding up and fighting in groups of multiple hundreds, sometimes over a thousand for hours, which is where we are now at this point it is a like it is a hardened crowd of street fighters um and yeah i there's definitely you know what you haven't seen the situation they had in the maidan which is where

people actually occupied semi-permanently you know a massive chunk of the of the central city and refuse to leave. And we're willing to, like, die and deploy physical, hardcore physical violence against the police. We still have not seen that. We have seen protesters throw stuff and shoot fireworks at police and federal agents. We have not yet seen in an or we've and we've seen a few de-arrests. You know, there have been some like you know fights with sticks and stuff but very little of that comparatively like there has not been yet the

kind of thing that will happen at some point if this continues where a police or federal riot line charges with beat sticks and they're met by a crowd who starts swinging sticks back at them and trying to like knock them down and tack like that has not we haven't had that moment yet and to be clear the part that has happened is the cops just uh tackling the shit out of people and also hitting people with sticks yeah oh all the time yeah oh my god there's beating them in the face yeah yeah it's bad there was what uh seemed to be a like an actual human giant who was being confronted by a bunch of cops and just got that they were hitting him and uh yeah it's just kind of it's a 53 year old local activist and navy veteran he was actually a naval academy veteran who like stood up while these federal agents beat him with sticks and just like didn't move and didn't move while they maced him

and like they actually fucked him. And like, they actually fucked him up really bad. His arms broken in a few places. He's getting pins put in his hand. Like they messed him up bad. It looked like he just didn't want to be seen flinching from them. Yeah. Um,

cause he's a tough son of a bitch. Uh, and that video is widely available. Yeah. It's all over. You meet these people like that who just have been doing this, who are just like one of our local reporters who has done some of the most standing in the streets

and being horribly tear gassed and shot at is this young woman, Lindsay, who is a fucking kindergarten teacher who just started coming out, seeing police brutality. He was like, well, I guess I should come out and film this every night in between teaching small children. Yeah, it's pretty amazing what's been happening in the streets of Portland. Okay, so I think with any of these protests that we've seen that are going up against police violence and just the systemic oppression that is being aided by the federal government as well,

what is sort of the end goal for the protesters in Portland to begin seeing some kind of shift like that begins to feel substantive to the point where it's not just gestures or empty, you know, nonsense? So what's been achieved already is that about $24 million have been cut out of the Portland Police Bureau budget. And a couple of programs have been ended. The gang task force, which is probably the most violent chunk of the Portland police, has been shut down. The school resource officers are being removed from Portland schools. So there have been some changes like that that have been made.

I would say most of the crowd that is the regular crowd are complete abolitionists, right? Even the ones who weren't at the start of this, they don't want there to be a Portland police bureau. They want to get rid of them and do something else. And they want the feds out. Everybody wants the feds out. I would say of the folks who are kind of have been coming out less

and have been coming more since like the Trump stuff started, there's a lot of kind of reform the police, but kind of broad understanding that like, you know, the cuts need to be more like $50 million.

It needs to be possible to sue police officers directly. Like some of these people need to go to fucking jail. There need to be investigations in the use of force. And there's a growing consensus that like all charges against protesters need to be dropped. Yeah, I would say like those are the kind of things everyone agrees on.

And like then there's kind of some sticking points between the people who want to reform the police and the people who are like, we don't want to have police anymore. And again, everyone who's been out here for most of the 50 days they're all kind of on the let's not have any fucking cops in the city anymore let's replace them with something let's figure something else out because this like fuck these people um is the attitude i would say i see the most and also like i don't know i would prefer they not exist anymore uh i've seen them shoot enough people in the body and beat enough people in the face that like yeah we don't need those i don't i don't think those are necessary in my community like i don't like them here so robert i think one thing is probably on a lot of the

on the mind of a lot of people listening to this episode is going to be, you know, they're saying, I'm not in Portland. I support this. I want to in some way help or assist, you know, even if I live in Poughkeepsie or in, I don't know, Jakarta or something, just pulling names out of a hat. What could people do, people based outside of Portland, to somehow support others during this uprising? You know, there's the Portland PD.

Yeah. The PDX protest bail fund is, you know, putting in money to help people get out of jail. You know, there's a, a couple of different organizations that are attempting to like help folks who have been,

you know, affected, you know, like, like who have been affected, like who have charges against them, who are coming out of jail and stuff. Everybody's going to have PTSD, I'm sure. A lot of people are going to be suffering from PTSD after this. Tons of PTSD.

Everybody. Everybody who's really been out here has PTSD. And it's pretty well known. And again, part of what's really been out here has PTSD. And like, it's pretty well known. And again, part of what's bringing people out every night is kind of this understanding that like, oh my God, if we stop when this finally ends is when we're all gonna fucking have this shit hit us like a mountain because that's how PTSD works. And that's not gonna be easy.

So people are kind of dreading that i think you can also vend my money to portland riot ribs right uh yes you can absolutely spend my money to portland riot ribs they rule um and then just so like we kind of talked about what you guys' goals are on the side of the people. From Trump's perspective, you know, it seems like, you know, yesterday afternoon it was announced that he was defying the mayor's order to get the feds out and actually just ordered 175 federal troops into Chicago. It seems to me like he's trying to start a civil war before he gets voted out of office.

And just knowing what we know of the way he thinks, there's literally no reason he wouldn't try to do that because he wants death he wants carnage and he wants power and those are all things that he could accumulate uh if if this escalates like how are you thinking about that as somebody who has some expertise and kind of writing about and reporting from civil wars around the world. I'm certainly concerned about the potential for fatal violence, right? That was the thing when people first started really fucking with the feds before there were big crowds again. It was like, based on the wording of the executive order he put out

to protect the statues, they could just be shooting people every time people get fucking you know into a statue or a federal park to mess with it like they have that right according to the and the eos are probably illegal but like you know up to that point like they don't have to you know they they they're they get to do kind of what they want to. So they have made a choice, essentially, not to start shooting at people, right? Not to fire live rounds yet. But they're out there with M4s every night. They have the weapons and they bring them out when they are shooting at protesters with the non-lethals. And the way that they use the non-lethals is the way they would be using live rounds, right?

Because they're not trained in how to use non-lethals the way police do, which is why they hurt people so much. So it is this kind of dicey situation where, you know, the city of Portland has continued to call the president's bluff. And I think everyone is hoping that like, if this, like he won't have the fucking guts to start shooting people because of how badly this has gone for him so far. And it is at this point, like there's this kind of level of, I think, understanding in Portland that like if like the only way for us to be safe is to keep this up. Yeah, I really worry about. Yeah, any any assumption that is on the side of

him not doing the most desperate and violent thing. So stay safe out there. I know I've said that to you a number of times, but seriously, seriously. Yeah, you know, it's the thing that it is.

And thanks for doing this. Yeah, thanks for coming on. Yeah. Yeah, thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully you have some resources lined up for once this all settles down because I know just

experiencing and witnessing and then reliving it for assholes like us can't be good for you. So i hope you're uh you know taking care of yourself yeah we're all doing our best here you know we've got a pretty good crew um who goes out so that helps you know you're not alone yeah yeah i did want to say i'm a little disappointed that the the woman is getting all the press for sitting spread equal. Yeah.

Yeah. And you were three feet to her right. Am I right? And doing the exact same thing. But nobody took that picture and put it on the. Yeah. You know, all of the all of my nudity has been edited out of the national story. And, you know, everyone who's been on the ground in Portland knows that my nudity has been a major part of this movement.

Yeah. I'm surprised that wasn't on any of the DHS justification scrolls. And Robert Evans' violent nudity. Yeah, they're scared. They're scared of the rampantness of my nudity. The magnetic south.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And Miles and I watched the top two Netflix movies of the past week. And as our writer, J.M. McNabb, pointed out, they do kind of represent this duality.

We talked at the end of last week about how Netflix put out their list of the top 10 movies, top 10 Netflix original movies so far in their history. And it was all these like kind of slick action movies like extraction with chris hemsworth and uh spencer confidential uh which i think it's about alone post malone and it's about a crime-solving dog i think uh that's what jm wrote i kind of agreed that name is terrible uh but it's mark walbert so it's like these kind of things that seem like oh that's a type of movie that used to come out in the theaters

like three years ago and now it's just moved on to netflix and so they actually recently came out with a press release saying the old guard uh which also fits into that category. Charlize Theron, big star, and it's a big slick action movie with a successful director. They were like, that's been streamed 72 million times. That's on pace to be one of our biggest movies, if not our biggest movie. But they did not mention the movie that supplanted it, Fatal Affair.

And I think that they're not talking about the fact that 365 Days has been their most popular movie because it's just cheap, tawdry TV. Skinamax, man. Yeah, 365 Days was Skinamax. And Fatal Affair I've heard described as more of a Lifetime movie lifetime movie yeah so why don't we start off with fatal affair miles what what i mean look i go into it nia long love her omar epps

oh man higher learning one of my favorite films uh oh like i was like this is great it for me it fits everything i'm like two stars that i've, two stars that I've loved over the years. They're back. They're a little older. You know what? Hell, we're all a little bit older. So let's just sit down and watch this grimy, musty film. And it's essentially about...

It's like one of those love unrequited things turns into stalker sort of situations. I watched the trailer before we were talking about watching it. requited things turns into stalker sort of situations and it's exactly i was i watched the trailer before we were talking about watching it and when i watched film was like oh it's the trailer is actually the whole film like you don't miss anything if you watch the trailer so it's like nia long she's a high-powered attorney with the perfect everything husband new home daughter in college until one day this man comes back into her life who she went to college with and at first it seems like it was a coincidence that they're working together. And then they go to a bar and things get a little bit hot and they almost have sex.

And she's like, you know what? I have the perfect everything. And as much as I like you and enjoy your company and your passion and how much comparatively you may be better than my current husband, I cannot go through with this. Cut to now Omar Epps becoming a stalker with hacker skills. And it's like, it plays out like how all these things do, where it's like suddenly like he shows up as someone, as someone's guest to a dinner party. And she's like, it's like, he won't get away.

And he's playing golf with my husband. You know, it's like very, very formulaic how the stalker then just sort of seeps into the life. And all in the trailer. Basically, yeah, seeps into the life and all in the trailer basically yeah yeah and then this is still the trailer we yeah this is all the trailer and then yada yada yada eventually people's lives are on the line and then he has to die because he's the bad guy like it's very you know what it is when you sign up so i was fine with that and you know what it is so bad but that's okay because you know when you watch the trailer it does not look good

if you're watching it it's because you got a spare 90 minutes and you you fuck with nia long and omar epps you're like fuck it i don't have anything to do let's check it out and plus we're on an airplane now everything's an airplane film so the bar is very low i was like okay the thing though is that the sex scenes do not compare to 365 days or denny sorry the european title the polish title is there is it like one with nudity like does it have no no it's a lot of like and i'm not saying you need nudity but like it felt like you know they're getting a check like they don't you know just get some close-ups of you like taking off your underwear and like that's enough and i was reading a review of it that's actually really true how they're

pointing out i think is in the root that this director or cinematographer loves insert shots so like anytime something happens there's like an interaction maybe omar epps is like touching nia long's back like oh let's go over here insert close-up of hand on small of back insert close-up hand on hand insert close-up hand turning off lamp insert close-up, hand on hand, insert close-up, hand turning off lamp, insert close-up. There are so many inserts that you're like, okay. Everything has so much meaning, but it doesn't. And the whole thing that, the thing that actually made this somewhat hard

for me to watch, it wasn't the bad writing or cinematography or directing or lighting. It was the fact that Omar Epps' character sort of felt like a person that exists in real life where it's like, yeah, it's like this dude who's like won't let go and it starts like meddling in their life and it's like really intense.

And normally like these films have a little bit more of like, I don't know if it's like whimsy, but there's something a little more fantastic about it. This just felt like a Dateline episode. Right. You know where I'm like, yeah, that tracks. This guy's a hacker. Yep.

And then he figured it out. And then he manipulated your homegirl to get. Yeah. You hate to see it. So it became less of a film. And I was like, oh, this feels like real life. And not to say, I think with a lot of those Lifetime films, there's an element of like you'd walk out and being like could you imagine right if that happened right this i'm like oh my god yeah that's probably happening somewhere right now that could happen

like there's nothing better acting yeah there's nothing too far off i mean yes there's some ridiculous stuff but as a premise i'm like it it wasn't enough to make me be like, oh, this is just one of those bad movies. I was like, ugh. But Miles, reality does not have insert shots, and that is what we look for in our entertainment. What would it be like if I could just get real close up for a split second on that hand?

Yeah, it was a hard thing to think of. Some performers age well like men and women but omar epps i'm putting in that category of not aging well like he i think he had his he had his time when he was younger i mean he was always just like kind of he seemed cool so like as a 50 something like it's like a cool person doesn't age into necessarily like a cool person right yeah it's like well you're you're a dad now you're going golfing with yeah well like i would say like idris elba you know what i mean like he's bringing he brings the silver fox evolution to like i've i've i've see it but idris elba from the start you were like this the thing that's cool

about this dude is he like has that gravity about him that like you know he's like i don't know like you would get you would hire him to be the ceo of your company whereas omar epps just always seemed cool yeah i put javier bardem in there i put javier bardem in the idris level but also you know i don't know about you guys but as an uncool person those dudes give me a shit ton of hope i'm, you know, I don't know about you guys, but as an uncool person, those dudes give me a shit ton of hope. I'm like, you know what, if I make it 60, one day 60s, I'm going to shine, man. I think also with the insert shots. Yeah. You know, I think we can safely define a good film by the following. It's a good film. If you see the

people's hands close up more than you see their faces that's just a fact you know that's how the industry works the last thing i'll add is like omar epps like you're saying he's such a like a cool guy or like nice guy there are moments where like he didn't even he didn't come off as believably a guy who had murdered his ex-wife who looks like nia long and you should be afraid of him. I was like, oh, what's up, Omar Epps? And he's like... There's one moment where Nia Long's trying to create boundaries for his stalking,

and he's like, her name is Ellie in the thing. And he's like, who do you think you're talking to, Debra? Which is his dead ex-wife. But he does it in this way where he's like, he can't even... Omar Epps, I think, he's never actually been that angry. Right in his life yeah yeah so even when he has to play like this

like maniacal guy who murdered his ex-wife and is stalking this woman it was just sort of like i just sorry omar i don't know if that's in your wheelhouse man yeah but man he was cool but also hey watch it if you like them uh yeah uh old strength of willie mays hayes you know you got to watch it seriously uh all right old guard he was willie mays hayes did they in the second one recast it or did they just uh say he was like his cousin because it was wesley snipes in the first one did they just were they like he's willie mays hayes in the first one and then in the second one yeah he's also willie mays hayes so they just didn't really say anything they were just like yeah they just did the uh what do you mean now

it's the same dude uh are you sure yeah yeah but i. But I mean, Snipes is, could have probably pulled that role off, right? Snipes. Yeah. Cause we know we've seen Snipes. He's, I mean,

not that he's like the best, the greatest actor, but being a little off is definitely in his wheelhouse. Like being cool. Like, you know, Omar Epps was like in the wood, you know,

and like love and basketball. Like there's this things where I, I, I watch out of respect for the body of work you know what i mean right well i gotta say though i'm i'm waiting for the blade reboot anything that doesn't take snipes away from the blade reboot i'm on board with but anything that distracts them i'm a million percent against it. Who is the lead in the Blade reboot? Do you know? I don't. You know, I wish it was Wesley Snipes, Jack,

to the point where I've refused to Google it. Right. We all need a dream to hold on to. But I don't know. I don't think it's Wesley Snipes, though. unfortunately um do you know anything about it just know there is a reboot oh maher shalali it's maher shalali yeah there oh that's gonna be dope uh well academy award winner that's the other thing does maher shalali be like

hey man look i kind of just i know i told you all yes to this kind of won the academy award i mean like you know when i was down here i could do those blade reboot type roles but i'm kind of up here now so if it's not about like uh you know maybe a a vampire hunter who's also a driver for a problematic jazz musician uh driving through the 60s south maybe we could do something well speaking of love and basketball uh because the old guard was directed by the same director as love and basketball so the old guard is um it's basically the idea is that there's uh like four immortal people uh or five immortal uh warriors on the planet uh it's a dope concept it's basically like a one of those

like modern like peterberg action movies like war movies mixed with highlander so like the back in the day battle scenes like it's a solid like taken sequel level action movie where it's like that was fun to watch yeah taken sequel not original taken it's not like movie where it's like fun-ish to watch. Yeah, Taken sequel, not original Taken. It's not like a classic. It's just like... I just like the way... I'm going to watch it

just off the strength of that description. Dude, she does something really cool. Holy shit. It's so good, you don't even want to describe it. You just want to tease that it's cool and you should watch it. I loved it.

So they do cool things with the action premise of these people can't be killed. They know it. Unfortunately, everybody who they're fighting against also knows it. And yet it's like, you know how in a Kung Fu movie, the bad guys keep coming at the hero one at a time and you just have to ignore that. the bad guys keep coming at the hero one at a time and you just have to ignore that. Now imagine if that happened in slow motion because every time,

like these bad guys who the one thing they know about them is that they can't be killed. They keep killing them and then turning around and being like, well, that did it. Uh, or, or being like killing them and then leaving the room.

And it's just, you really have to suspend disbelief and also have to wonder why they're not just beheading them because we don't know. They literally can just heal, but it's not like you can put yourself back together. It would take a long time can put yourself back together or not. It would take a long time to put yourself back together. Or if you were blown up.

I don't know how that would work. And they hope you don't ask that question during the movie. Because no one else did? Right. Exactly. But there's also some really corny shit where they like at one point they're like all right let's go san paulo in this final raid uh san paulo 34 what happened in san paulo in 1934 and charlie's thrown's like 1834 you'll see. Because she would specify 1934.

It's just one of the all-time bad lines. Nah, 34. No nothing before that. Just a year 34. Zero, zero, 34. Double lot, three, four. The thing that is a bummer is if you gave this movie like more thought and a

little bit more budget um it could have been so dope like the the way that they treat like so it turns out like she's been doing this since like basically way before the crusades since 34 yeah since 34 yeah 34 um and she's been like she has this like she's kind of woven this web through history where she's saving people like two generations before their offspring like cure polio or diabetes or like all these different things so it's like this cool idea where she's like an instrument for God and like all these people are. But like the they have like these historic battle scenes that are like Xeno warrior princess level. Like they just look like people wearing hats and wigs like riding around in Kansas. It's just so bad. They're like one time.

So we could fly off when they're riding a horse. Oh, shit. You're like, you're the extras wake fly off when they're riding a horse like oh shit you're like yo the week flew off um yeah it's i don't know it's pretty it's a dope premise and i could see them like now that it's been a big success like really devoting some time to it um and like making it if it gets better and better like the Fast and the Furious franchise like it could go in some really cool directions even though Charlize Theron's a little bit of a I don't know she's like just kind of serious and boring like I wish she had like you could have gone ahead in the group right she's old head but like you could have gone in the direction of like

she like all of her historic experience like just makes her this like genius because she knows everything like i would have preferred like a tony stark like level like i just like am on fire with all the knowledge of history that i've lived through but instead she just seems like bummed out by it it's like her job yeah it's she's just like, shit. There's also the central question of the movie is, wait, why don't you just let them study your DNA and then we can make everybody cure all these diseases? Yeah, if you have this knowledge, why just sit on it? And their answer is because the pharma company that like...

What? They're the main bad guy. The main bad guy is a pharma company. It's called... FlaxoSmithKline? It's called Merrick, which is basically just Merrick. Like Merck? Wow.

It's just called Merrick. Wow. Merrick Garland. The main guy is Mr. Merrick. He's like a young, funny looking guy. Played by Martin Shkreli. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, he's like a young funny looking guy uh played by martin shkreli yeah yeah basically he's supposed to be shkreli and uh he's just like impossibly evil and he's just like i will torture them as much as i want who says i can't dump toxic waste in the ocean okay so like with a premise

like this where people are fucking invincible usually like with superman whoever we know that people have a weakness you know like everybody even if you're invincible you have a weakness because otherwise we're just watching gods fuck shit up and while that can be fun uh it doesn't always create enough conflict so what they they do they have a weakness i know you're like why don't they cut their heads off Is that the thing like decapitation or that's not even, no. Yeah. The,

their weakness would be that like they can, like they die for momentarily and then they're able to like heal like Wolverine, like the, the bullets, like they spit the bullets out. Yeah. That,

that sort of thing. And also eventually their time is through. And Charlize Theron, who is the oldest of the old guard... By the way, this seems like it should be the title for a movie starring Clint Eastwood and Tommy Lee Jones as old cowboys who... It's called Space Cowboys, actually, with Tommy Lee Jones and Clint Eastwood.

But she eventually stops healing. So that is something that can happen. Oh, so it's like the star in Mario. It wears off at a certain point, and then you become mortal. After 1,000 years, and there's no rhyme or reason. So it's not really a weakness as much as it's just an eventuality. Right, because you'd think there'd be like well the one thing that will knock them out of their immortality is this because then you

usually that's what those films are building towards so at a certain point it's like if these people are already killing them and not doing anything about it and not even knowing what to do then i'm like yeah i guess it would become a little like you just get irritated you're like well they don't even die they don't even have to do there's a million weaknesses because like you could bury them alive and they'd just be underground for thousands of years in the worst situation no one has superhuman strength like you know they don't have superhuman strength at all like they just come back pour them into the foundation of a building. Yeah. Shoot them into space. That's what the fuck. Then I'm see.

So they're irritating. They've been kind of like going along like in secret and that they've just been discovered. That's sort of the inciting incident is that the CIA discovers their existence or one of the guys from the cia um but one of the people has been underwater in an iron maiden for like 500 years just drowning repeatedly so they do kind of address that as like this could really suck like this could be very bad oh right this person is just like the oa over and over and over again yeah yeah just dies over and over and over again. Yeah, yeah. Just dies over and over and over. Drowning and over, yeah. Yeah.

There will be a sequel, right? I think Charlize Theron was talking about it. Yeah, so it ends with this... Yeah, it ends with a pretty cool, like, oh, shit. Basically, it's the... Well, I won't spoil it for people. No spoilers for the old guard. It's a fun watch.

They're clearly trying to make a cinematic universe, and it could be a cool cinematic universe if they give the screenwriter, like find a new screenwriter. Or give them more than like 10 minutes to be like, okay, just something with Charlize Theron. Yeah, yeah. Or build the world a little bit,

because no offense, you know, I'm glad people are working in any creative aspect but uh some of what you describe sounds a little bit like a 4 35 p.m on a friday meeting you know yeah like there's definitely some of that someone's like hey does does he ever dismember them or cut their heads off that's why you need like how where was the nerd the resident nerd geek person to hold it down for all geekdom and nerddom to be like, how the fuck do they die? Someone should just be like, oh,

I could just put them in concrete. There's your script right there. Boom. Done. Huh? I feel like too much of pitching in Hollywood, this is a theory I'm coming up with on the spot, but I feel like too much of being a screenwriter, a successful screenwriter, is being good in a room. you have to be able

to be charismatic and pitch stuff but that doesn't mean you're going to be good in fact it like think about how many different skill set yeah think about how many people who are like brilliant nerds who would make like a script like this really sing but like like can't be in a room with other people without you know uh soiling themselves i think about it all the time man anytime you see an interview with uh like tremendously talented writers i respect and stuff i i'm not gonna name names because i do love these people in their work, but so often I'll watch an interview on video or watch them interacting contemporaneously, and then I have to think, or extemporaneously rather.

And then I have that moment where I go, oh shit, that's why you write it down, bro. You just now got it. Damn, that writing it down shit pays off but also like think about like quentin tarantino like in a room for 15 minutes he's gonna blow you away because he's just like you know just like speaking a million miles a minute and like just hitting you with all the ideas but there's probably like 90 quentin Tarantino's who, first of all,

aren't white men. So that was all cut blocked from the business for most of history, but also like are awkward and like, you know, shit the bed when it's time to pitch as opposed to just like, yo, like I just emailed you a great idea. Why do I need to come in and sit in front of you? Like the jock from high school who

like the studio the royal court you know of artisans where it's like yeah i am the gatekeeper now bring me your wares so i may cast my gaze upon your putrid offerings and say we'll get back to you yeah you know like it's i think there's that there is a feeling of like the court you know like where're like, and then you will pitch to me. And even though I'm only in this job because I came from the marketing department and had some good marketing ideas for the launch of a film, I found myself in a development position. And now I'm like, hmm, this feels good, but I don't know the first thing. I mean, what do we do here? So real. Sounds like it'll do well.

Charlize Theron, I like that. It's got enough of a plot to it it's so real it's like it's like uh they finish the pitch and then somebody somebody kind of like turns around in their chair with their fingers right and they're like you know their fingers right steeply their fingers they go you know um my cousin watched, uh, Highlander three. Have you heard of that? I think we do Highlander. My, uh, four year old likes lizards. Right.

I want a lizard with a Highlander. Let's go ahead and get, uh, who's not dead. Philip Seymour Hoffman. Do we have him? No, I think we need to update the wheel. We need to update the wheel. Okay. We need to update the wheel. We need to update the wheel. Okay, we need to update the wheel. Spin it, spin it.

That's lunch, everyone. Yeah, because it does feel like, I remember in Blank Man, that fantastic comedy film with Damon Wayans and David Alan Greer, there was a moment where he works for this hard copy type show, and the way they were writing their stories

is a literal dartboard, which was like adjective, verb, noun, and they're like, mutant garbage men are exposing themselves. Like it was just like that sort of like sort of scattershot way of making a news story that so many times I think just with the way we look at a lot of these Netflix films, it's almost like they know this. It is sort of like there are certain pieces that we can interchange with anything.

As long as like these two to three things are always consistent then we know it'll be enough to lure someone in for the two minutes we need for the view yeah man oh yeah i'm still gonna watch both of these though i just want to be clear about that you guys sold me oh i'm off the kiki palmer ending the how cool it is what she does to the boss at the end i I said boss like a video game. Which we still don't know. The main bad guy. I don't know. I thought it was tight. Now I probably know. Whatever. We got time.

Also, with the beauty of Fast Forward, I could just go to that part. Ben, it's been a pleasure having you. I need to obviously let you go to go watch The Old Guard and Fatal Affair. Is that what we're calling it? Yeah, because that's the name of it.

Yeah. Fatal Affair. That's so close to Fatal Attraction. It's no wonder that you wrote Fatal Attraction on your summary, Miles. Oh, I did? Yeah. It was between Risal Attraction on your summary, Miles. Oh, I did? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. It was between Risky Attraction and Fatal Affair. How about Infernal Affair? I think that's already something. Infernal Affair is his internal affair. Yeah, it's what The Departed is based on. Ben, pleasure having you. Where can people find you follow you hear you

uh yeah so uh thanks for having me guys always a pleasure you can find uh you can find not just me but also the daily zeitgeist own miles gray and jack o'brien making an appearance on ridiculous history uh we may have even more of uh more cameos the future. That's a show about everything that is ridiculous throughout human history. Spoiler, we're never going to run out of episodes on that one. You can also find me at Stuff They Don't Want You To Know, which is all over the Internet. You can find me personally as an individual on Instagram and Twitter. I'm at Ben Bolin on Instagram in a burst of creativity. And I'm at Ben Bolin HSW on Twitter. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying?

I have been enjoying, uh, the, a tweet recently by our, our colleague, you know, or your lover, Bridget Todd, Bridget Marie on Twitter. Yeah. And you guys probably may have already talked about this, a tweet recently by our our colleague you know or your lover bridget todd yeah marie on twitter

yeah and you guys probably may have already talked about this but she came up with the um she came up with a tweet i really loved about the passing of john lewis yeah that blew up on reddit actually oh did it yeah i'm not surprised it was great and it seems like the kind of thing that uh the man himself would really enjoy uh he i didn't know this for a long time but uh later in life he went into comic con cosplayed as himself during the civil rights era and and led children on a march and i just thought that was beautiful so i like that that tweet. And it was, you know, I tried to do the right thing and not pick a dick joke for this tweet. Hey, so that was not the right thing, but it was a good tweet that you picked. So we do appreciate dick jokes. Miles, where can people find you and follow you?

Yes. Oh, before we get to that, I do want to mention the No Ban Act, which will be voted on the House floor on Wednesday. This is going to essentially repeal the entire administration's Muslim travel ban and also keep other travel bans from taking place that are based on race or religion. If you can, please leave a message, email your representatives and let them know that you want them to support this act because we are we're fighting on so many dimensions right now uh this is a little bit you can do that can go a long way now if you want to find me uh twitter and instagram miles of gray also my other podcast for 20 day fiance where we talk about 90 day fiance uh let's see a tweet that i like uh okay this is from at oki cory c-o-r-r-i it says i personally think cinderella should have lived a happily a

happy life with all her animal friends rather than settle for a man who had to try on a shoe because he didn't recognize her without makeup. Zing! That is amazing. That is... We always talk about how dumb it is that people couldn't tell Superman and Clark Kent are the same person despite glasses. Cinderella is the same person. She's just got an

updo versus her hair down. Damning indictment. Damning indictment of the patriarchy you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien tweet I've been enjoying from Zach Fox he tweeted moaning during sex is primitive

both people should just say bruh at a gradually increasing volume bruh bruh bruh so we get the falcon in there you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about today's episode as well as the song we ride out on miles what are

we gonna ride out on today look i just like a good cover and i like a cover that takes a song sort of like in another direction this is a track from i believe he's a dutch artist he's from amsterdam uh named benny sings and it's a cover of passion fruit from drizzy but it's like it the the beat is already kind of corny obviously but this guy really kind of takes it to like almost like animal crossing soundtrack level like flipping it to animal uh to a passion fruit so it's just a fun little uh way to sort of get your shoulders going and it's not too intense it just feels like a nice soothing uh salve for your ears uh all right well we are going to ride out on that the daily zeitgeist is a production of my heart radio for more podcasts from my heart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you list your favorite

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