The Daily Zeitgeist - Investigate My Thumbs, Princess M-Oh No… Y’all OK? 03.27.25

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

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Dude, I almost had to fight my son. No okay so what are you Irish? I want to fight me boy. I gotta fight me dog. Dude I this dude he he learned how to crawl out of his crib. And I just heard his door creaking open. I go what though and I started my bro My adrenaline started pumping I go I might have to fuck up like a home invader or some shit and like I was ready to just Explode on whatever like was on the full Pistorius on that ass

That was an actual murder but like it was just wild to get in this moment. I just fight or flight response to the door creaked. And I just see like a little E.T. style shadow kind of peek through and then. Maybe how many glowing finger is to. Yeah, I started climbing out of I started climbing out of my crib. It too. You did? Because I got hungry and my mom would be asleep. So I would just go like make a fucking disaster area in the kitchen with Cocoa Puffs or something.

Now, yeah, I remember distinctly like I was around two and I would climb up over and I would slide down and I go to the kitchen. I just couldn't believe for how because I've seen him try and navigate the crib and he was like, slip it. I was like, OK, we're good. This this one getting out. But the way he got all quiet, I was like, what happened? He goes, I fell out bed. You fell? And I'm like, nah, I would have heard that shit. But I think, you know, he is limited.

Push yourself up over the edges to fall out of bed. Come on, man. What do you think? I was fucking born yesterday, man. Come on, guys, ciao. Imagine you're scrolling through TikTok. You come across a video of a teenage girl and then a photo of the person suspected of killing her. And I was like, what? Like, it was him? I was like, oh my God. It was shocking. It was very shocking. I'm Jen Swan. I'm a journalist in Los Angeles, and I've spent the past few years investigating the story behind the viral posts and the extraordinary events that followed.

I started investing my time to get her justice. They put out something on social media, so I'd get calls in the middle of the night all the time. It's like, how do you think you're going to get away with something like this? Like you kill somebody. you're gonna get away with something like this. Like you killed somebody. It's the story of how and why a group of teenagers turn to social media to help track down their friend's killer. This is their story. This is my friend Daisy. Listen to My Friend Daisy on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here?

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Ugh, nasty, nasty work. It's like a hot tub that's never been cleaned in here. Oh, welcome to March 26th. Wow. Nevermind. Thank you. Yeah, welcome. Thank you for welcoming me to March 26th. It is however March 27th

2025 yeah Yeah, it's a national scribble day so get out there for those of us who can't draw we can scribble or use it Don't use AI just scribble. It's fine scribbling is fine It's art national Spanish paella day It's also national Joe day. So if your name is Joe This one goes out to you could be No, could be anything it just like anything that's Joe Joe Jason Yeah, you're this is it's your day, so do it.

There's a play in that OKC Clippers game, I think, where Isaiah Joe went up against Coffee, whoever the player is on, I think the Clippers name Coffee, and the announcer was like, a Java showdown. I was like, that man should win a Pulitzer. Yeah, exactly. That is a great eye for detail there. My name's Jack O'Brien, AKA Miles, why you facial in?

Only two or three pies. I'ma show you how to buff out those thighs. First you get a swimming pool full of cream pie, then you dive in it. Pool full of cream pie, then you dive in. That one courtesy of Lockeroni in reference to my morning routine. Where I do everything exactly like that fitness influencer. Except instead of dunking my face in an ice bath, I dunk it into a cream pie like Mrs. Doubtfire.

Exactly. Multiple times. And then I use the pie crust to buff out my face. It's an exfoliant. Instead of banana peel. Yeah, we know this. We know this. But this is lore now. Use the pie crust to buff out my face. It's an exfoliant banana peel. Yeah Yeah, you know, but this is lore now and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host Mr. Miles Gray

Okay, I'm off. Hey, let me actually get up there. I'm a fan boy I like to fact in guys I'm Goggins. Goggins! In their battle time. Yeah, I'm getting gogged out. Thank you, Joe Shannoya on the Discord. Yeah, I'm here for the gogs. Tooth acting, to nackton. The guy's got so much tooth acting going on that they have to give his co-stars funny teeth. Just to, you know, because otherwise it's just, he stands out.

How are you going to go up against that? His romantic leads, his, the opposites in his storylines have to have eye catching teeth. It's the only way that you can cast opposite Goggins. Yeah. Yeah. Miles, it's me, Jack. We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a hilarious comedian, the number one comedian of the year 2015. We're going to lift to the top thousand comedians. He's the host of the wonderful show podcast, but outside it's Andrew.

Hey, thank you for having me. Happy to be here. Not caught up on White Lotus, but in the episodes that I've seen, the teeth are on display. So I understood the reference. Toothin. They gogging. They gogging out here. If that was like a spoiler, like, Oh, she has messed up teeth. You spoiled it for me. I didn't really take that in yet. I mean, it turns on the fact that, yeah, she smiles in the last scene.

And it's like, whoa! Tight-lipped the whole show. She did it! She looks like that, actually. You never know though. That explains everything. People, I mean, people are really sensitive to spoilers now. Like, someone thought that me saying Bradley Cooper

was in this first episode of Righteous Gemstones was a spoiler, potentially. Interesting. I was like, you're gonna- Just like in the cameo? It's like, you're gonna, no, it's like in the whole episode. Righteous Gemstones was a spoiler potentially. And I was like, you're gonna ham you? It's like you're gonna, no, it's like in the whole episode. I'm like, it's not a- I mean, I didn't know that, but it's not like I'm gonna enjoy it less

because I know that now. Right, right, right. I don't really care. I'm sure, I mean, I guess when I watched it, I went in totally blind and I went, oh, Bradley Cooper. You saved me from my oh Bradley Cooper moment, Miles. That's my favorite moment in history. Thanks a lot, sir.

Life is just the time between O Bradley Cooper moments. Exactly. But yeah, I feel like people are not sensitive to posting spoilers though, because everyone wants to have like a take on whatever's happening in the moment. There was a big thing on White Lotus this week, which I'm sure you guys have seen. I haven't seen it yet, but it's been spoiled for me like three times.

Same. I haven't seen it either. Yeah, just from looking at Instagram where it's like someone wants to make some stupid joke about it. And I'm like, okay, like what you wrote wasn't even that funny. And now I know that that happened. It just is like very annoying. I just don't know.

I mean like the discourse, we were just talking about this, how like now like missing the discourse kind of affects me wanting to watch something. Yeah. Because then I'm like, oh, the discourse has passed. So maybe I won't watch the show. You don't even need to watch the content. You just let it wash over you via social media. That's how we experience things now. It's just a third hand. I'm downstream from a lot of content. I haven't actually watched a lot of it,

but I'm downstream from it. You know what people are saying about it, and that's what matters. I basically get it. And I have had opinions of stuff based purely on having encountered other people's opinions, because I'm bad. I'm a bad person. I suck. Okay, Michael. I was gonna say that. Thanks for saying that. I was to say that. I think you're saying that. I was going to say it. I'm glad you said it. Actually, I don't like that show.

Oh yeah. I haven't seen it. I actually, not to be fair, I have not seen it, but I heard it just like doesn't stick the landing. That's my criticism. Oh, does one of your friends say that? I read it from somebody I'd never seen or heard from before. I'm like, I'm not going to say that.

I'm just going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm just going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm just going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm just going to say that. I'm not going to say that.

I'm just going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm just going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm just going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going friends say that? I say Reddit from this dude online. Somebody I'd never seen or heard from before or after. Yeah. Yeah, so that's where I got that opinion from. Yeah, it was from like at fuckmachine338 or something,

but they didn't like it, so I'm going with that. Name like that. Yeah. Name like that. Andrew, we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment. Andrew, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of the news stories that we're talking about later on on this news podcast.

We're going to talk about Whiskey Leaks. It's being called the the bomb rose group chat where they just like put the editor in chief of a magazine in their war room. They just like invited him to the war room party. And they're not even war plans, as Pete Hexeth said. In many ways. Yeah. They're like, if they are, then they're like really shitty.

Just cause like, I'm not even like giving like exact coordinates. So like I do then. Yeah. Exactly. And we'll talk about AI art. There's been a new breakthrough, you guys. We're all fucking excited over here. They they're now Miyazaki

a fine jibbily fine photos. This is an act of war against me. It's not it. It's not again. I don't know. Like in pre AI story days, this would just be like, look at this cool app. It makes you look older.

And now we're like, we have to have a take because for a good reason, they are like trying to use dumb shit like this as like, this is actually the future of entertainment. It's like, no, no, it's not. It's a fucking cute little application that you've added to your app. Anyways, we'll talk about all that, plenty more. But first, Andrew, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search

history that's revealing about who you are? I just I like to travel a lot. And I was just searching. I'm going to Italy kind of for the first time. I went when I was 18 very, very briefly, but for the first time in a long time, going to Italy and having a bit of a longer trip there, haven't spent time there before. Well, that was what my Google search was about. My friend was telling me to go to the Dolomites, which I'd never heard recommended before,

but I think it's like a mountain range in Italy that's supposed to be quite beautiful. but I think it's like a mountain range in Italy. That's supposed to be quite beautiful. So I'm basically trying to decide if I want to do like a nature kind of, you know, mountain range and maybe that Lake Como place kind of vibe. Lake Como, hell yeah. Like a Rome kind of cultural trip.

And that's kind of where I'm at is planning that and trying to figure out. And your search was where to go Italy. Was that how you search? No, my search was AI Italy, Ghibli photos, just to kind of stimulate my mind and get in the frame, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, no, I just was searching the Dolomites last night because my friend went last year and highly recommended it. But I don't know, I mean, I grew up in Colorado, I grew up in the mountains. I think I maybe want, I don't care so much about the nature stuff. I mean, I love nature, but I don't know. I mean, I grew up in Colorado. I grew up in the mountains. I think I maybe want, I don't care so much about the nature stuff. I mean, I love nature, but I don't know. I feel like something that maybe feels more unique

is to go to see the historical stuff in Rome or Venice or something like that. What's your guys' Italy intel? Oh, I mean, where do I be good? I mean, there's some. This is a long running dig. You wrote a book, right? Give me your book. Oh man, where do I be? Give me your book. Oh, man. Where do I go? Where do I say? But I mean, Venice is one of my fit while miles gets his music cute up. Italy is just so such a beautiful place. It's filled with magic. The food. Amazing. I was actually just- Filled with magic, food amazing.

Magic. The music does a lot of the speaking for it. That is beautiful. Wow, I brought up the perfect topic. I mean- Unless you have a song queued up for every country possible. No, no, no. It's actually no.

I went to Italy. The first time I went to Italy, I became insufferable when I came back. Oh, you got Italy-pilled years ago. Oh, totally. Dead in the little of little Italy, little did we know that we riddled some middle man who didn't do diddly. That's where I ended up.

Wow, this is the perfect thing to bring up. Yeah, yeah, no, it's funny, I've never, I mean, I know about the Dolomites, but the only reference I have is that one Jurassic Park movie when that one fucking guy was up in that region of Italy I was like why the fuck is Jurassic Park taking place over here now? But yeah, if you like I mean, I don't know I've only been to like three fucking places So I'm not sure I'm not gonna stand act like an expert. However, I will say

Florence beautiful Firenze, yes Yes, yes. Yeserenze. Ferenze, yes. Monopoly. Yes, yes, yes. Bari, fantastic places along the boot of Italy, the heel of the boot of Italy. But anyway. However- That's like the wine country area or- Tuscany?

Tuscany, yeah. Sorry, that's like the wine country zone, right? Yeah, there's some great wine there. You simply must go to Tuscany. I really liked Venice when I was a kid. I haven't been back there in a long time, but Venice was very transporting. It felt like you were in a different time period.

Yeah, it's changed though now, because the boardwalk is kind of run down now, and like Gold's Gym, the Muscle Beach thing, isn't the same. Okay, yep, very cool, very good. And you know, there's these influencers trying to ask you where your partner's life and stuff. Yeah, you know, posing and that, find those wings that are painted on a wall. Yeah, yeah cool. Very good. You know, there's these influencers trying to ask you where your partner's life and stuff. Find those like wings that are painted on a wall.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is one of those wings, murals every five feet. The consensus I've read seems that you can't really go wrong in Italy. A lot of it's quite beautiful and interesting. And so, figure it out. You'll figure it out. You'll have a blast.

What is something that you think is underrated? Reading a book, you know, that's just in my personal life. I feel like it's very easy to forget to do that. And I need to hype it up in my own mind because every time I sit and read, it's quite nice and feels like what life should be about. Yeah. It's very easy to forget to do that. And, um, this is more of a, just a reminder for myself.

I mean, I'm sure there's like a book that you bought and you're like, fuck man, I actually read this. Yeah, yeah. There is. I have a book that I brought with me on so many trips that I've not even begun to read. It's, um, God, what the heck is it? They made that really, I think, kind of critically panned sci-fi movie about it. The Bible.

Like the future speak, the Bible of the Bible. No, you know what I'm talking about? What the heck is it? Now I feel even worse about this book because I don't even know the name of it. The Electric State? No, they just made that. No, they made this movie, I think,

like maybe six years ago, Cloud Atlas. That's the book. Cloud Atlas. That is supposed to be a very good book. I thought it was very good, and I own it, and it's a very dense book, so I've started it a few times, and then time goes by, and then I restart it, because it seems quite dense,

but anyway, that's next for me, is Cloud Atlas. There you go. It's on the list. It's on the list. Do you guys make time to read? Oh, constantly, man. Yeah, I mean, I don't make time. It's it. I read so much.

I have to ingest so much news like that. I get my reading done there, but also I always have like, I know I also have like a book that's simmering also. That'll take me a little bit of time. Like, but I've recently I'm trying to read more fiction because I'm such a fucking like I'm such a little bit of time. But I've recently, I'm trying to read more fiction because I'm such a fucking, I'm such a, as a kid, I just wanna learn facts and history and stuff that that's where I derived a lot of the pleasure

from reading. And then now I read an article about how reading fiction helps your brain and I'm like, okay, that feels like, like, respectably nerdy enough. Yeah, I used to be really good about reading fiction. I would read a book every month or two, always. And then I just kind of, I've fallen out of favor and I need to get back into it.

Oh yeah, you simply must. I simply must. Yeah, I like the bard, mostly just reading Shakespeare. Oh really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just front and back. In the original queens. Oh, in the original words and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The original Queens. Oh, the original words and stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The original words. In the original language. Yeah, no translations because yeah, don't even do the graphic novel versions. Oh, very impressive. Pretty. Or the Baz Luhrmann versions.

Yeah, I do do those. Yeah, if he's going to make it, you got you got to check it out. I realize I don't know if this is the same for you, Jack, is when we have guests that have a book out, that's when I'm the most efficient reader too. Oh, funny. Cause I'll be like, I gotta read this. Like, I'm knuckling down to read this material,

and then other times, it just kinda like, I think that's the thing is I have to reconnect with the actual pleasure of reading, because I do that thing too. You'll go on a trip and you're like, dude, I'm gonna read this, and it's's like I've been dragging this book around for fucking A year now exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I've got a the power broker and gravity's rainbow that I have like significant chunks that have taken out of them and

every once in a while like take them on a vacation and you know get another like 1-18th of the way through the power broker. I gotta say I cruise through audiobooks, you know, get another like one 18th of the way through the power broker. I gotta say I cruise through audio books, you know, being in LA driving and stuff. I listen to music. I listen to one or two audio books a month. So I definitely like consume fiction in that way. But you know, obviously it's a different part of your brain when you're, when you're putting your mind to the words. I I feel like I'm do you do like crime fiction? What's your what's your? Favorite work of fiction you've read and or listened to in the not too distant past. Let's see recently

I just I'm almost done with the new Murakami book. I don't know that I love it What's your favorite Murakami? I would probably say I would probably say Kafka on the Shore. No, not sorry. Wind up Bird Chronicle probably is my favorite, but I've read a lot of his books. The new one. I don't know. They all kind of blend together after you read too many of them. So this new one is different, but it hasn't grabbed me yet.

You know, I actually really liked. I mean, this is nonfiction, but the shoe dog, the Nike book. Did you guys read about Phil Knight? No, no, I was really good. It was but the shoe dog, the Nike book. Did you guys read that? Oh, about Phil Knight? Oh, no, no, I haven't read that. It was really good. Was it really? It was really interesting.

Yeah, I really liked it. I mean, you know, they made that movie with Ben Affleck, but the book is quite different. Air? Air, yeah. It's just really interesting. Like, he just was like a very interesting guy and like truly like a pioneer and like he has a pretty good perspective on success

and life and he seems like a well balanced I mean you know in an era where CEOs are maybe the most evil people in the world. Yeah right. Is a refreshing I don't know a guy who seems to enjoy his life and has good values and I don't know. And he let them make a movie about what him essentially making one of the worst business deals of all time by giving Michael Jordan that huge chunk of the thing. He's got some humility. Yeah, that's fine. Just like ten, ten dollars off every sale or whatever.

Like, yeah. And then I'm just I'm almost done listening to the new Miranda July book, which is really good. She's I love her first book of short stories. That was back when I read more. It's really great. She's clearly just so smart and funny and I'm really liking that. It's called On All Fours, I believe. Amazing.

What is something you think is overrated? For me, it's Donald Trump, the president. I think a lot of people seem to like him. I don't really get the appeal on a personal level, but a lot of people seem to like him. I don't really get the appeal on a personal level. Sure. But a lot of people seem to be really into his shit. So for me, he's not my taste. But yeah, I mean, it feels like a bit of a throwback because I know he used to be really popular.

But he seems to be popular again. And again, I just don't see it. But people seem to fuck with him. So I don't see it. I just don't see it. I just personally don't see it. I don't know. Like, I don I don't I don't see it. I just don't see it I just personally don't see it. I don't know like I don't know. I don't see it I try to have a mind by Donald Trump the president. I was a little foggy at first when you first brought him up But yeah, yeah, okay, I try to have an open mind about stuff, but with him

I just really don't see it really trying really trying to fucking really have a no my answer dude What the fuck is this shit? Say you fuck with it heavy Trying to get invited on co Vons podcast man, so he feels a little overrated for me Yeah, I'm a little weird Yeah, I just I don't get it I don't kind of out there you know, I don't get the appeal I Mean he's sexy out there, you know, yeah, I don't get the appeal I Mean he's sexy. Hey, don't get me wrong. He's sexy, but I thought but just the I don't know on an intellectual and a policy level I don't see it. Yeah. Yeah

I won't fight you for that. I won't fuck Thanks guys. That is one of my favorite stories. We haven't covered is his Like self-perception based on that like portrait that somebody painted of him. Right. Right. He's like, a lot of people are saying, this looks nothing like, it's just like a person who's like, this is a bad picture of me. I don't actually look like that. I mean, he's not wrong in a way. Like, it really does, does not look that much like a little puffy. It's like, it's, I mean, as much as I dislike Trump,

like I feel like he is right in saying like the whoever painted that probably doesn't like him. But it's also like why like no one would have seen this photo if you didn't talk about it. Like what are you talking about? That's like three people in Denver would have seen this thing if you didn't like blast it on the internet and make everyone make fun of you. It's just like so, I don't know, clearly not going to serve as ends of people not seeing that photo. That's definitely a stop on the road to, you know, senility is, or I'm in like dementia for sure, like when you can't recognize yourself on some levels, but I don't think he's quite there yet. Who's that? But it's definitely, I mean, it's also people are like, the guy was, it seems pretty flattering

compared to what your actual photo looks like. You know, like they, the person gave him a little, some cheekbones and shit. And he's like, that's not me. No, no. He looks like puffy in a more, uh, Churchillian way than he's putt, like he's, he's overweight in a different way, I think. And that's probably hard for him to like kind of get his head around. It's not even the face. He's like, my hair doesn't look like that.

Yes, that hair sucks. He's like, I've never stood in front of a wall of that color. Exactly. That's the problem. That tie is entirely too short. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about the Donald Trump guy, a bit of a fucking clown. This clown.

We'll be right back. Imagine you're scrolling through TikTok. You come across a video of a teenage girl, and then a photo of the person suspected of killing her. And I was like, what? Like it was him? I was like, oh my god. It was shocking.

It was very shocking. I'm Jen Swan. I'm a journalist in Los Angeles, and I've spent the past few years investigating the story behind the viral posts and the extraordinary events that followed. I started investing my time to get her justice. They put out something on social media so I'd get called in the middle of the night all the time. It's like how do you think you're gonna get away with something like this? Like you killed somebody.

It's the story of how and why a group of teenagers turn to social media to help track down their friend's killer. This is their story. This is my friend Daisy. Listen to My Friend Daisy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you remember what you said the first night I came over here? How goes lower?

From Blumhouse TV, iHeart Podcasts, and Ember 20 comes an all-new fictional comedy podcast series. Join the flighty Damien Hirst as he unravels the mystery of his vanished boyfriend. And Santi was gone. I've been spending all my time looking for answers about what happened to Santi. And what's the way to find a missing person? Sleep with everyone he knew, obviously. Hmm, pillow talk. The most unwelcome window into the human psyche.

Follow our out of his element hero as he engages in a series of ill-conceived investigative hookups. Mama always used to say, God gave me gumption in place of a gag reflex. And, as I was about to learn, no amount of showering can wash your hands of a bad hookup. Now, take a big whiff, my brah. Listen to The Hookup on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

Hey kids, it's me, Kevin Smith. And it's me, Harley Quinn Smith. That's my daughter, man, who my wife has always said is just a beardless, d***less version of me. And that's the name of our podcast, Beardless D***less Me. I'm the old one. I'm the young one. And every week we try to make each other laugh really hard.

Sounds innocent, doesn't it? A lot of cussing, a lot of bad language. It's for adults only. Or listen to it with your kid. It could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out. It's a work in progress. Listen to Beardless D***less Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. You get your podcast.

September, 1979. Virginia's top prison band, Edge of Daybreak, is about to record their behind bars in just five hours. Okay, we're rolling. One, two, three, four. I'm Jamie Petrus, music and culture writer. For the past five years, I've been talking to the band's three surviving members. They're out of prison now and in their 70s. Their past behind them. But they also have some unfinished business. The end of daybreak, eyes of love, was supposed to have been followed up by another album.

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We're so fucking back. It's going to be increasingly interesting to watch as things, you know, fuck ups happen in this administration that have anything to do with technology, given what we've learned about Donald Trump's relationship to technology. Andrew, did you see the clip of him talking about how Baron is a computer with? Cause he turned it back on? Yeah, I computer with? Because he turned it back on?

Yeah, I saw it. Yeah, because he turned it back on. I saw it. And I said, how you doing yet? All right, let's do it one more time. We got it. I just need the whole quote. I tried turning off his, I turned it off, I turned off his laptop.

I said, oh, good. And I go back five minutes later, he's got his laptop. I said, how'd you do that? None of you has his dad. Now he's got an unbelievable aptitude in yeah seems so I can't do he's got a unbelievable aptitude I feel like Trump is one of those people that you know, he obviously is Kind of dumb in a lot of ways

But he's like one of those dumb people who learns five smart words and just like runs them into the ground. And aptitude is one of those words I've heard him say it many times. And it's not a word most people use. And it's a word that kind of makes you sound a little bit smarter. Yeah, he uses it too much. Right. Everything that's like used when trying to make average people seem incredible.

Great aptitude at this. He's basically a C student in technology. Wonderful aptitude. I don't know about that Jasmine Crockett though. She's got a bad aptitude, if you ask me. What? But yeah, this whole fucking controversy scandal that now the media has, I guess,

they had so much trouble with all the other scandals but this one this is like old-school scandals that they're used to so now they're like yep that's bad disappearing like foreign students for speaking out about and supporting Palestine yeah yeah yeah yeah arresting people who are here legally but because they have a tattoo and you're like they're in a gang. Send them to El Salvador. But this one, it's also funny too. So the Atlantic has now published the full chat because the whole time the White House was kind of, they were, they were counting on the fact that they weren't because they felt like they're going to be responsible and not like show the chat.

So they were saying like it was taken out of context essentially. Yeah. Yeah, and also to be so adamant that nothing classified was discussed. No attack plans were discussed. There's not even, so now we see the whole thing. We've got, they're talking about like when planes are in the air, what they're attacking,

blah, blah, blah. There's one part too where they're like, we got the target. We saw him enter his girlfriend's building and now the building is collapsed. And JD Vance's response, excellent. Like Mr. Burns or some shit. And you're like, hold on. You guys flattened a fucking building to get one person.

And I mean, this should be par for the course because America is not about efficiency when it comes to going after targets of any kind. But like, that was just one thing I read. Like that was a little bit like that details like the whole building's gone. So we're good. And yeah, that very Bernsy in response. But now, because the transcripts are out, they can't just do the same thing where they're like, nah, they didn't talk about it. And then it sort of turned into, well, actually signal, signal is actually really secure, so it doesn't even matter. And now they're just like, what the fuck am I going to say?

So for starters, right? Trump is so fucking old and senile that he basically has no clue what any of this is. And it shows when he was asked directly, like, Hey, what do you think about this little signal thing? And he just sounds like an old guy where a bunch of young people were telling him it's not a big deal. And that's just kind of his energy.

Go ahead, please. He was not classified. Do you think that Mike Waltz made a mistake and doesn't need to apologize? No, I don't think he should apologize. I think he's doing his best. It's equipment and technology that's not perfect and Probably he won't be using it again at least not in the very near future

That's all right. I agree with you. Let's get everybody in the room Whenever whenever possible who's this that was Michael waltz chief fuckup. Oh the guy who did it Yeah, he was basically like and we probably won't be microwaving any glow sticks anymore while wearing a beautiful shirt. And he's like, no, daddy, no, I will not be microwaving glow sticks in the microwave. I know that's bad. And then just kind of dismissing it is like it's a technology and a thing.

And equipment. No, they don't. This is a fucking guys. We're talking about classified shit and unsecured channels which normally lands people in prison this is his great genius you find out defects by exactly things like that but I don't think it's something we're looking forward to using again we may be forced to use it you may be in a situation where you need speed as opposed to gross safety. And you may be forced to use it, but generally speaking, I think we probably won't be using

it very much. Dude, gross safety, man. Ew, that safety is disgusting. That safety is nasty. This is like gross safety that you're trying to have like operational security for national security, whatever. But so when he's talking about like using it versus like he, does he just mean like the group chat, the technology of like having a group chat?

Yeah, I think so because that's what Mike was like, yeah, we'll definitely like get together in person. That's probably better than like in a skiff or something. But also is there, I mean obviously, so I guess Signal is not as secure as you would want for government war secrets, right? But isn't more important the fact that they invited a journalist to the chat?

Isn't that also part of it? But they're not really addressing that part of it at all, right? No, because they have to kind of tack on to whatever they feel gives them the best chance of defending something that is completely indefensible. So they're maybe on the technology instead of being like, oh, he pushed the wrong button and like the worst button you could possibly push in that scenario.

I mean, I mean, this is it's probably good that obviously we just played the how you do that clip where Trump is so like this is so far out of his depth. He does not have an aptitude for technology that these people can just basically give the excuses to daddy and he has no clue. So he's like, I see, I see. So they're just, they're tripping, huh? Yeah.

He's gonna, there's almost no chance that he hasn't at least asked if he can get Baron across this. If he's not, you know, he's like, let me check with. We're close. So we're close to this. So Michael Waltz, right? He's doing, he went on Laura

Ingram show and just was doing like just contradicting himself all over. Remember it was him that created the group and added people to it. And in most realities, that would mean the buck stops with him. But his defense is very nonsensical. This is him trying to explain exactly what happened to Laura Ingram. Have you ever had somebody's contact that shows their name and then you have an and then you have somebody else's number there? I never make those mistakes. Right? You've got somebody else's number on someone else's contact. We're having fun here. So of course I didn't see this loser in the group. It looked like someone else. Now whether he did it deliberately or it happened in some other technical mean is something we're trying to figure out.

This guy just said, so of course I didn't notice this loser. That he added, right? This is the guy who added him. So of course I didn't see this loser. He tricked me into doing the adding. I also have to say I've never had somebody's number on somebody else's name in my contacts on my phone. Just the base level of that, that's never happened to me. How is that common? But dude, he's like a loser. You know what I mean?

And then, did you see at the end, he's like, oh, I don't know if he probably snuck into the group or something. What are you fucking smegle ass logic? Trixie Hobbit says, they snuck into our group chat. Dude, you fucking added him So this reminds me of like early podcast ads We talked about this when we hosted the podcast words But like when they were like the post office fucking sucks am I right and everyone had to be like yeah

They almost brainwashed me into being like the post office is the worst place in the world. We all agree on that, right? They're just trying to make it seem like we're all constantly sending group texts and adding people who we don't know. This happens all the time to all of us. It's like, no, you can keep trying, but this is not a problem that anyone has really run into right? The excuses get worse. So then he's trying to be like, I don't know like we gotta we gotta get to the bottom Like they're doing the hot dog car sketch right now. Yeah, and he's like What the fuck happened? So this is him going on about no, we got we're gonna really look into this We got some smart people looking into this. We're gonna get to the bottom of it. We have I just talked to Elon on the way here

We've got the best technical minds looking at how this happened, but I can tell you Him or 100% I don't know this guy I know him by his horrible reputation and he really is the bottom scum of journalists And I know him in the sense that he hates the president But I don't text them. He wasn't on my phone He wasn't on my phone Having a diet coke man, and he was bothering me like this guy Technical I don't know you

Baltimore like we need the technical minds looking into this your fucking fingers Well, why do you think this guy was invited? How what do you think happened? He's from Boynton Beach, Florida Jack Oh, yeah, yeah wanting on I don't know cuz he won't know on his phone In the group chat when you want home know. He wasn't on there. Like, I think I think the most the easy response here is that he is so bumbling and inept that he doesn't even have the wherewithal to double check who's on a fucking group thread when you're talking about. Yeah.

Like a military attack in Yemen. That seems like the easiest. Other people like, maybe he was trying to leak it to the Atlantic or something. Leak what? Yeah, 4D chess of completely. This is called classic leaking to the press as that one guy did his Malaney bit the other day.

Although now it sounds like the Joker. It's hard to do a good Malaney, I feel like. Yeah, without crossing it over into Heath Ledger's Joker. Yeah. John Mulaney does a great Mulaney. He, one of my favorite Mulanies. Yeah, he's so good at it. Is John.

But yeah, so right now I think Trump said that, again, he announced that Michael Waltz will be leading the investigation into what happened with his own fucking hands. Ha! I mean, it does, does like maybe somebody else added him thinking they were adding somebody else. I don't like that is a question.

They are. No, does he have a name that is similar to somebody who would like plausibly have been there or like a number? Jeffrey Goldberg, I think in the article said it may have been this other person with the same initials, but they don't have the same name. Maybe maybe he was like, maybe he's like, okay, these are the people to add. These are the people that definitely not add.

And then he accidentally added them from the not add list to the add list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's very, very, very, very sad and dumb. And it says, and I think that's the thing at this point. It's just so clear that these people don't know what they're doing at all. Like to the point where they can't even, they're just using signal that these people don't know what they're doing at all. To the point where they can't even, they're just using Signal for all of this shit. They work at some tech company. Has anyone in the military commented on this?

Because I feel like people who are putting their lives on the line in the line of duty, it's like they're the people I feel should be the most mad about this. Because it's like you're looking at our lives essentially as like a game that you're playing on this group chat and you're inviting journalists. It just feels very disrespectful to like people who are taking this seriously and are actually like out there fighting for our country or something. I don't know. I'm not like a hardcore military supporter, but it feels a little bit like disrespectful to that in a way. That is the take of everybody who's just like, are these people like serious?

Right, right. You're already asking poor people to enlist in the army to do violence on behalf of the American empire. And then at the time, you're not even to fucking try and keep them safe while they do all this shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eh, I don't know, I don't know.

But he's come back, Michael Watson, be like, Hex, Seth and I, we're come back. Michael wasn't like hex at the night. We're veterans. We get, we very much understand what's at stake here. We just don't know how to fucking text or none of that. I mean, military people are also some of the best at not talking shit about superior. It's all people outside, like it's all retired people who are getting comment.

Like some person said that the details that were like in the in that signal, like that signal thread were like rise to like being court marshaled in any normal instance. Well, that's the wow. Have has a person as high up as the vice president ever like openly like that. That's against international law, isn't it? To be like he just walked into his girlfriend's house and then we leveled the house.

Excellent. Like that feels Jack feels like a killing of an innocent person. Jack, what are you talking about? This is America, man. We don't I know. You know how many buildings we watch collapse on innocent people and the media can't be fucking bothered. One. I know. I know. It is. Have we technically ever had them like, yes, we've seen like the WikiLeaks

stuff where like people like entire wedding party parties are bombed and they're like Roger. But you don't have like Biden on the on wax being like, hell yeah, brother. Yeah. Like like excellent as a response like, he just walked into his girlfriend's place. Now it's leveled and excellent just feels like a new level of like, you just did. Yeah. You just did it. That's yeah. You're the that's not a he's like slow down, slow down. You're turning me on.

Yeah. Wait a second. He's easy. Easy. That that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that Slow down. You're turning me on. Yeah, wait a second. He's easy. He's easy. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. Don't move. Don't move. Don't move. Don't move. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. OK. All right.

Just give me like 20 minutes. Oh, shit. All right. So we'll see. See where they keep. He gets to the bottom of his own. Fuck. This will be my own. Fascinating. Yeah. I mean, they have. I mean, they have started to be like it's He gets to the bottom of his own fuck up. This would be fascinating. My own thumps.

Yeah. I mean, no, they have, I mean, they have started to be like, it's mostly been a low level official. Like they've, there's been mention of some other person either way. At the end of the day, there's people who have an aptitude for computers and there's people who don't. Yep. And if Baron's not in charge of it, I can't be blamed. You know, that's, you're playing with fire if you're not running everything

by Baron. Even an iMessage, you know it'll be like, Jack added Andrew to the group chat at 8.39 PM. You'll be like, okay. You know who doesn't notice that sort of thing? Yeah. My parents. Yeah, exactly.

I've definitely had friends who have like been talking shit about someone and they accidentally texted to that person, you know that person Always hear about that thing I always hear about someone saying something about someone and there's like a weird like wiring in the brain where you just like send it to That person multiple people but I've never heard somebody just randomly adding the wrong number to a massive thing. But except for on Fox News over the past three days where they're all like, I do this all the time. Like Jesse Waters is like hypothetical of like we've all added grandma to the bachelor party thing. And suddenly she's getting 12 consecutive dick pics. Cause that's what we do with our bachelor party bros

just watched a movie from like 10 years ago with that exact plot point of Texting the wrong person there when you're talking shit about them. It was the the intern the movie Vince on no Is Robert De Niro and Hathaway and Hathaway. So Anne Hathaway is talking shit about her mom and she accidentally emails it to her mom. And then Robert De Niro has to break into her mom's house and get into her computer and delete the email.

So this is something we covered 15 years ago and in a Robert De Niro movie. Yeah, you can't be inviting the wrong person to the group chat. Yeah. Yeah. And that's probably their favorite movie. Her mom and Hathaway's mom does come back and Robert De Niro has to kill her. Yeah, it turned into a different kind of movie. It's kind of fucked up. The deleted scenes from both that movie and meet the parents, just the bodies that he's leaving in his wake. Adam Devine has to help Robert De Niro. Process the corpse.

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Gabie Goo. Congrats, Gabe. Excellent work. Here's what we generated during the live stream. And then it's an anime looking image of the three people who were on the live stream talking about this new technology that they're introducing. And the main focus is giving the AOK sign, and he has four fingers. He's only got four fingers on his hand. Which is doubly offensive to Japanese audiences. They had to add fingers to the Simpsons to not offend people with the missing digit. So I love that it's the AI is offensive on so many levels. And I love that going back to Hayao Miyazaki's just initial brush with AI animation and how it fucking destroyed his soul.

I think it all fits together very perfectly. Yeah, so first of all, swish on that one, Sam Altman. Sam Altman we've talked about before has been for like a decade now, like all the fears around like AI is gonna actually kill us. It's gonna be like Terminator. He's been like really a big part of that. Like there's a New Yorker interview

in the early days of like AI where he's, he tells the person who's interviewing him that he keeps a poison capsule on him in case the robots like take over. He's like dead serious. And the journals was like, dog that's that's crazy for real and yeah he's just completely full of shit he's not like he's not a coder or anything like that like he just is somebody with a tech product but he's got ideas man like he recently

just announced that fucking stargate like super, like a five half trillion dollar thing in Texas that's going to run open AIs, just AI models. It's very, very freaky and Earth destroying. But just this quote from Hayao Miyazaki, the guy who is the head, like the person who gave us Studio Ghibli that people so want, like are so into recreating. He was shown a video of like an A.I. animation and he this is his response.

It was just like a fucked up weird animation. That was quote. It uses his head like a leg. The movement is so creepy and could be applied to a zombie video game. Like it was just a weird thing. This was me. I think the person presenting it was like so they're like, it looks like it's dancing. It's moving by its head. It doesn't doesn't feel any pain and has no concept

of protecting its head. It uses its head like a leg. Like they're really trying to, they're like, there's kind of a strange beauty in this AI animation of this like zombie body that's like moving in a really unnatural way. The video of it is wild because the guy's face changes when Miyazaki starts being like, this is disturbing.

This is what he said, quote, every morning, not in recent days, I see my friend who has a disability. It's so hard for him just to do a high five. His arm with stiff muscle can't reach out to my hand. Now thinking of him, I can't watch this stuff and find it interesting. Whoever creates this stuff has no idea what pain is. I am utterly disgusted. If you really want to make creepy stuff, you can go ahead and do it interesting. Whoever creates this stuff has no idea what pain is. I am utterly disgusted. If you really wanna make creepy stuff,

you can go ahead and do it, but I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work at all. I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself. I feel like we are nearing the end of times. We humans are losing faith in ourselves. Fuck! That is, we humans are losing faith in ourselves is a great description of,

of like, I feel like a, a thing that we're seeing just across the board, right? Just people being like, I don't know. Uh, our, our new book is let them, that's like the new popular Oprah like pop psych idea where it's like, you just let people kind of do whatever they want. No big deal. You just don't don't let it mess with your happiness. Let them, you know. So what? Just ignore the fuckery? Is that the? Yeah, yeah, let them. Let them do that. Just call it. Because otherwise it's gonna mess with your happiness, Miles. Don't mess with your happiness. Let them do whatever they want.

Mel Robbins, my dear child, you should just call the book, Ignore the Fuckery. Ignore that voice in your head that says, this is bad. This is all terrible. The end of morality should be the name of the book. I know, I just was traveling in Japan and I went to the Studio Ghibli Museum and it's interesting it's it's interesting that this technology is being used to emulate his work because it's like as you said he

has such strong opinions about it but also like the museum itself is really really magical and they don't allow any photos inside and it's clearly a company that like prides itself on like magical experiences that can be translated technology, like the entire museum is like no photos, like it's very strict about that. And I think it's just so sad to see that realm of art being emulated in this way that is so soulless and disloyal. Well, I mean, like, you know,

I've been to the Ghibli museum too, and there's like that one room where you see sort of Miyazaki's case studies on things like how he would try and draw a horse running or these other things. And like, you're like, damn, like there's a reason why these animated things were so different and good. Like there was such an emphasis on developing like what this animation style could be. And I'm just like, that quote really just sticks with me when he says that we have lost

humanity has lost faith in itself because it just feels like we're completely devaluing skills now. And AI is just the latest tool in like circumventing, like just truly the art of honing a skill, no matter what it is, but in this very narrow context, like illustration or doing certain kinds of art, where the repetition of it helps,

like that is part of the experience. And a lot of people are like, I'm not really interested in that. I just want to make, you know, I want to make fucking weird memes that look like Ghibli and here. The AI stuff is really dark because I, people I really respect are like, I don't feel like many people have a strong moral framework around AI. Like people have opinions about it, but they still use it. Like, I've personally never used chat GPT and I don't want to ever use it because I'm just like, all I read is negative stuff about both it being wrong in a lot of ways and giving you incorrect information

and bad for the environment and all these things. But then I have a lot of people who are friends of mine who say those same things, but then still use it pretty regularly. And I'm like, I think we need to have like a, almost like a virginity ring kind of thing, you know? Like with AI, I don't fuck with that at all. You know what I mean? Yeah, I have promise rings or something, just because I feel like people I respect are still using it.

And I'm like, I thought we all agree that this is bad, but then people are, and maybe they just want to be aware of it and understand what's happening, and I kind of can respect that, but I'm just like, I'm not gonna use it. I just, I'm out, I don't know. I mean, I see the time-saving parts

where if you are in, I know people who do a lot of grant proposals and things, and the amount of time it'll cut down to merely just sort of do the labor of articulating something. I'm like, okay, like you're You're not taking your own job by doing that or whatever. But then Yeah, yeah, yeah, like again as a tool Fine if it works

But again, that's where it's like you don't need all these like data centers that are gonna burn the earth down for that kind of shit But it's all I mean, I think the hype around it too is just, it's getting more and more intense. Yeah, it's not how it's being pitched as a tool for people. It's being pitched as a way to replace people. I mean, I went to college, I did stand up at a college recently and I asked the crowd, just out of curiosity,

how many of you use chat GBT regularly to cut down on the amount of work you're supposed to do for school? Every single person raised their hand. And I'm like, I wonder how your parents would feel like they're all spending money, or some of them at least, are spending their money to put you in college and you're wasting that opportunity to have a chiller time.

I don't know, it just felt like you're not gonna learn as much if this resource is offloading the work and making your life so much easier. I don't know, it just felt sad. It's hard for me to like accuse those kids of cutting corners. I was blacked out on Xanax most of college. I'm not even judging them individually.

I just mean like collectively it's a little sad that like the enterprise of learning is offloaded to this machine. I don't know, it's just sad. There's just like a lot of things that, yeah, we've just, that used to be a thing that you would battle against, like the academic institutions would battle against.

And I'm sure they're battling a little bit, but I feel like there's just this overall, like as we've just let corporations take over as like the only force that actually like matters in the world over the past, like, you know, handful of decades, like as long as I've been alive, essentially, and just like all regulation of these corporations have been, you know, thrown out the window. Now everyone is just

like, well, yeah, that's okay. We could fight against it, but like, that's unrealistic. We're just being like, it's now like just giving up on any sort of pushback, any sort of like, you know, putting things in place to stop these things that are like devaluing our lives and like how, how things are done is just viewed as like childish or idealistic or, and like that just didn't used to be the case. I was listening to this episode of the podcast, the Blind Boy podcast, and he was talking about how his favorite example of neoliberalism, like being like Reaganite, like neoliberalism and like, you know, basically just letting everything be privatized and turned over to corporations is when like in the seventies, it was illegal for companies to advertise to

children. There was just a law that put a regulation in place. And then by the time the 80s rolled around, all the cartoons and shit that I watched were toy commercials. It was like Transformers. It was just like design. But it was not super offensive because they had stories and stuff like that.

But then after that first, after they like make that get past that first barrier, you know, fast forward 30 years later and like my kids, like I have to like keep them off of these devices that are being pitched to them all day, every day that are just like, yeah, your kid's brain is basically like profit center for us. And we've turned their lives into like a giant casino, you know? So I understand why people are just like, yeah, to push back on this stuff is silly because it's not going to work.

It's like it has worked in the past. We've lost, but like, I don't think that like we have to lose. Like it'll probably have to get worse before people realize that like something can be done, but it's it is just like so cynical and like we have had Regulations in place to like keep shit like this from ruining everybody's lives in the past it's just now we've just taken it for granted that corporations will be able to do whatever the fuck they want and What they want to do will inevitably inevitably make all of our lives worse.

Yeah. And it happens in so many ways too. Even a few years ago when these private companies were just like, hey, we're going to completely change the infrastructure of every major city by releasing thousands of scooters all over the city that people can rent for 10 minutes at a time. And no government were even contacted of like, hey, is this allowed? They were just like, hey, this is a thing now. And it like totally changed traffic and everything. And then eventually certain governments were like, hey, we don't want this on our streets. It's fucking stuff up. But the company didn't ask for permission first. I'm pretty sure.

It just like came in and did it. And I think that's a perfect example of just like move fast and break stuff. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, it's really, but that sounds completely changes things on such a fundamental level. It's very strange. And then just like the only people have to deal with it is ER doctors. Yeah Just like holy shit We have like 15 people in here every night from riding around on these scooters. Yeah a lot of broken ankles There's just reading this like article in the American prospect about about the AI bubble and what that bubble pop looks like, but there's just one line, I blew my mind, quote, between VCs,

big tech and power utilities, the bill for generative AI comes out to close to $2 trillion in spending over the next five years alone. Oh, easy. Holy shit, dude. And that's the thing, when you have that much sort of institutional money saying this has to work, it's just gonna, I don't know. I don't know how they solve this because again,

all this is about, well, how do we get a return on all this money we're spending? Because it can't just be chat GPT subscriptions like Sam Altman is saying. And that's why we've covered that too. People like Goldman were like Goldman Sachs is like, bro, this shit ain't going to fucking start making money. Well, what are they like?

What would be worth that amount of expenditure? It would be replacing the humans so you don't have to pay employees. That's it. That's essentially what it is. The thing that AI used to be about like in philosophy in the nineties and like early two thousands was this idea of the nineties and like early two thousands was this idea of the singularity and like humans being replaced by this hyper intelligence that would, you know, be beyond our scope of understanding. And I think like we've essentially done that with capitalism, like corporations have replaced us and now they're just like

trying to get rid of us. Like that's what this is all about, is they're trying, they're spending two trillion dollars in the hopes that this technology will make it so they don't have to spend money on labor anymore. But like, as they point to like productivity, there was another thing in that article about how they were showing there was no real discernible productivity gains, even for people encoding that were using chat GPT.

And then on top of it, it would create like the time they saved using it, they would, it would then be recouped in having to correct errors. Yes. Right. That's exactly what I tell my friend is he uses it all the time and I'm like, but the information is giving you is wrong and then you spend more time fact checking it. And I'm like, well, how is this saving time?

If it's like you ask it, what day of the week, you know, is rush Ashana and it's like, oh, it's going to be on a Tuesday. And then you look on a calendar, it's, oh ask it what day of the week, you know, is Russia Shawna and it's like, oh, it's gonna be on a Tuesday. And then you look on a calendar, it's oh, it actually starts on a Wednesday. It's just like wrong about the most basic stuff. It's crazy. What the fuck's that GPT?

It's wrong so much. It's like, what time is it in LA? And it's like off by an hour. It's just like always wrong. It's like off by like 17 minutes. You're like what? Yeah. I do at least that.

I mean, my favorite example from this past year was the Super Bowl ad where Google was advertising their AI technology. And the premise of the ad was here's a cheese farmer. He can't write for shit. He's all thumbs when it comes to like writing copy for his product. However, you can use Google AI to like write the copy. And the copy that they show on the screen is like a fact about how Gouda cheese is responsible for 55% of all cheese sales around

the world. And that is like actually something that Google A.I. would have told you. But it's like obviously fake. Like good. Right. Close to being like the most popular. Like they just got it from like some random fucking website that their AI called. And that was in the suit. They had to like fix it before the Super Bowl. But it was in their Super Bowl commercial that they released. And then, yeah, like they just, it sucked.

It sucked badly at its job is just doing, making bigger and more mind boggling errors than we could have possibly imagined five years ago. That's what I was telling. Yeah. I had argued with my friend yesterday about this or texting about it. And I was like, I don't use it. It's wrong about a lot of stuff. And he's like, well, it's like you're, it's like you're in the nineties refusing to use email, even though it's clearly the future. And I wrote, I said back, I said, yeah,

only if the email rearranged all the letters after you sent it to your friend and it came as like complete jumbled mess like if email was like that the 90s yeah I wouldn't be using email it doesn't work and I'm sure this chat TBC stuff will be better in the future but for now I'm just like it's wrong about stuff why would I use it I'm not so sure it's wrong about stuff. Why would I use it? I'm not so sure it will. I mean, yeah, probably. I think they'll find better uses for it is probably what I'm thinking. Like, but research it like fundamentally the large language models, their whole met reason for existing it,

or their whole like methodology is trying to tell you what it thinks you want to hear. It's not actually AI, right? It's like a box that just takes every word ever written and is like, here's the most likely combination of words. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the autocorrect function. And it's actually auto-incorrect.

Yeah, auto-complete center. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly, auto-incorrect is a perfect thing. If you like autocorrect, then you love auto incorrect. It does, that is AI. Yeah. Auto incorrect. It didn't even work.

Look, people talk a lot about the fall of the George Foreman empire. And you're like, the Foreman empire? What the fuck? Well, Andrew, it's been a true pleasure having you on the Daily Zodiacast. Thank you for having me. It's been so fun.

Where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? My name is Andrew Mashon, M-I-C-H-A-A-N. I'm on Instagram. I guess I'm on Excel. I don't really use it. And then I have a podcast called Podcast But Outside. We're interview strangers on the street. We've done it for five, six years at this point. It's pretty fun. We just talk to random people. They share their stories of stuff that they're going through in life. And then sometimes we have celebrity guests join us to interview random strangers. Like we've had on Adam Scott, John Ham, Jack Quaid,

Otzko, Nick Kroll, lots of different people. And it's ultimately just chatting with random strangers and learning about their lives. And we've had lots of fun conversations with different strange people. And you can check that out on YouTube and podcast apps and clips on social media and all that stuff. It's a great show. Everybody should go check it out. Yeah, it's fun. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying by any chance?

You know, I've only seen one episode, but I haven't seen many people talk about it. So I feel like it's worth mentioning. That shows common side effects. Did you guys, have you seen that? I am suddenly hearing a ton about this, yeah. Yeah, so it's the, did you watch Scavengers Reign by any chance? I don't know.

But I did hear about that too. Maybe your kid, I don't know how old your kids are. Scavengers Reign I think could be enjoyable for a young kid. It's not like adult content or anything. I think common side effects is more. But anyway, they're just really beautiful, really trippy animated shows made by, I think, the same guy. And I haven't finished either show,

so I'm not like a huge fan, but they're really, really cool. Scavengers Reign is sci-fi. It's like really inventive and interesting and beautiful. And then common side effects from what I've seen seems very funny and smart, and I'm excited to get more people. Yeah, I'm hearing great things about that too. Yeah, yeah.

And I haven't finished them, but I would recommend them to check them out. There it is. Miles, where can people find you? Is there work in media you've been hearing great things about that too. Yeah, yeah. And I haven't finished them, but I would recommend them to check them out. There it is. Miles, where can people find you? Is there work in media you've been enjoying? Yeah, at miles of gray everywhere, at Mad Boosties, the podcast. If you wanna hear Jack and I talk about the NBA,

and at 420 Day Fiance, where I talk about 90 Day Fiance, with Sophia Alexandra. A couple of things. At maddyistalking.com on blue sky said, where are y'all getting all these bingo cards? And then another one, past guest Franklin Leonard at Franklin Leonard dot B sky dot social posted, I just want to personally thank Pete Hegeseth for proving my theory that when your entire personality is, minorities are incompetent.

It's usually because you're more incompetent than anyone could have imagined. Right. So cheers. And so, yeah, yeah. Ah, amazing. I like to tweet by Katie Natopoulos, at Katie Natopoulos on Twitter who said, having read through the full Huthi PC small group logs,

I've come to the sad realization that I'm the JD Vance of my group chats. Overly emotional, slightly unprofessional, confused by what everyone is saying because I won't scroll up, continually derails plans with late objections. How long is the thread? Is it like, is it really, really long?

No, there's like probably 20 pages. Okay. Because I mean, they definitely took out the part. They're like, we're not gonna release the names of like CIA agents that are undercover. That's reckless. Jesus. But yeah, everything else you can read.

Excellent. Excellent. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien and on Blue Sky at Jack Obey, the number one. We are on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zeitgeist and we're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. You can go to the description of the episode wherever you're listening to this and you can find the footnotes. Footnotes?

Where you do that? Where we link off to information that we talked about in today's episode. We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, is there a song that you think people might enjoy? Yeah, I was, I just stumbled on this album by the artist, Natalie Bergman. The track is called Keep Those Teardrops From Falling. And it's from like this, she like self-recorded this album. So I'm instantly in when I hear an artist has like self recorded an entire

album because again I love skills I love people that hone skills even for their passion for music and she wrote this like sort of EP after like a terrible tragedy with her with her father and stepmother passing away and like wrote this album but this song like has like a lightness to it, even though it's about kind of like a very dark time in her life. And it's really chill when you realize like this is self recorded. It just has like it just feels very alive. So this is Natalie Bergman with the track Keep Those Teardrops From Falling.

That was the backup name for the book. Let them. Yeah, those teardrops from falling folks. Catch them. They just catch them in your hands. All right, we will link off to that in the footnotes, the Daily Zeitgeist, the production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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