The Daily Zeitgeist - It Gets Worse? 05.27.22

Episode Date: May 27, 2022

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 231, Episode 5 of The Daily Zeitgeist! Yeah! A production of iHeartRadio. women's sports. tape day oh yeah shout out cellophane tape like scotch tape that like little tape oh that's what scotch tape is called yeah it's the only reason i know this right in japanese we call it like which is short for cellophane tape so growing up when my mom was always like give me some tapes you'd be like or something like that i was like oh always heard of Cello Tape, but it's just our normal, usual tape, not our packing tape, our scotch tape as we know it. 3M.

Yeah. I mean, that is one of those branding things, but they just got my ass, Miles. They got me. Call it a Kleenex. Call it scotch tape. Even when I'm asking for Pepsi, I say, yeah, give me a cake. Because it's just, I am a grand baby. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Potatoes O'Brien.

And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Hey! Don't give me too much energy on this dark Friday, but yes, it's Miles. Hideo Noho in the building, ready to get the outrage started. Yeah. My God. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very funny and talented podcaster, author, TV personality. She's the author of the book, Tropical Attire, Encouraged, and Other Phrases That Scare Me.

Host of the podcast, Alison Rosen is your new best friend. As well as Childish, a podcast for parents and the rare person with parents. I think I know a couple of those that she hosts with Greg Fitzsimmons. And Upworthy Weekly, please welcome the hilarious, the brilliant, Alison Rosen! Alison! Hello! It's so nice to be here. The hilarious. The brilliant. Allison Rosen! Allison! Hello! It's so nice to be here.

And can I just hone in on what I think is probably the most interesting aspect of this episode? Now, are we talking like scotch tape as opposed to masking tape or packing tape? Okay, so like... When you said cellophane tape, I was thinking there is a clear tape that is more the consistency of i don't want to go against your mom no no she knows no what's your no you're absolutely right because it became so scotch tape isn't in japan okay cellophane tape is more prominent so is that the like thicker clear tape that like once it sticks to itself you are screwed yeah yeah yeah i mean it's anything that's like like invisible tape that like once it sticks to itself, you are screwed? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's anything that's like invisible tape, you know, like when you use for like wrapping gifts and things falls into the cellophane family. I am a fan of all like, give me a scotch tape. Cellophane tape is hard to work with, but I do. When you said it was cellophane tape day i thought now that's a dumb holiday i can get behind yeah right i like all those tapes when i find a roll of it i get excited i'm a simple lady yeah it's great i mean the other thing the other thing i didn't mention although maybe i am remiss to not mention it is that it's also national grape popsicle date okay you like taper grape popsicle taper grape taper grape i love i actually hate artificial grape flavor so that one can get

fucked can i ask you guys a question because i know that you're both either married or in relationships i'm married now yep congratulations married dudes i thought i thought i saw some uh romantic pictures on instagram but i wasn't 100% sure. Congratulations. Yes. Despite my discomfort of sharing my personal life too much on social media, I was like, well, y'all got to know about this. This is a moment we can all celebrate.

This is a big one. Yeah. It's important. Okay. Before the show started, tell me, I feel there's only one right answer to this i said to my husband i said to him sorry for bugging you what is the only correct response he could have had sorry for bugging you honey it's all good yeah well that's your ass, but okay. What's up? I mean, sorry for bugging.

I don't know. If you come at me with some sorry for bugging you stuff, then I'm like, oh, what's up? Yeah, I just, I usually ignore it or say, oh, no, no, honey. No, you don't bother. You don't bother. Oh, not like ignore the request to speak. You're saying ignore that there's any transgression that needs to be sorry i just ignore any i don't read past sorry i'm like uh-oh this can't be good so i'm just no it was the the bugging had already happened uh-huh oh okay when i'm saying it i'll just i'll

just tell you the answer because every everyone is failing me this morning and i love all of you i say sorry for bugging you honey and he says no you didn't you weren't bugging me that is what i want to happen but instead he went it's okay which is not what i was looking for he because when i said sorry for bugging you i i was not i didn't really feel like i had been bugged i mean maybe it was on me for referring to it as bugging him because all i had said was did you happen to bring in the groceries and he hadn't yet and then i'm like sorry for bug i mean i didn't say it in that oh you just rolled your eyes when you said sorry for

but i didn't actually say it in that tone i actually said it in a i felt like i eyes when you said sorry for bugging you. Now we've got some more texture to this one. But I didn't actually say it in that tone. I actually said it in a... I felt like I could tell he was irritated. So then I said, sorry for bugging you. And he's like, it's alright. Okay, look, I'm sorry that I brought this into our otherwise newsy show.

I will usually make fun of my... If it's really a thing like sorry for bugging you and asking you to bring in the groceries, I will usually make fun of my, if it's really a thing like, sorry for bugging you and asking you to bring in the groceries, I will usually make fun of myself for having not brought in the groceries or something like that. Because that does feel like a thing

that you shouldn't have to ask me to do. Yeah. Well, send him an email. I'm going to download this episode on his phone yeah yeah there's i mean so there's like frozen items just in the car just getting warm just he's gonna let it cook like that is that is that the implication here i mean thankfully right it is one of those things where i gotta check the weather on the phone versus actually stepping outside. And it was there's not that many frozen items. So it's OK.

But still. Yeah. Grocery delivery or groceries brought home from the store? It's grocery delivery. All right. Then he's got a he's got a little bit of a window there. Yeah. Because there's ice on the frozen thing.

window there yeah because there's ice on the frozen thing my thing is i've i've been burned so bad from like the times i've been to palm springs in like the summer and bought something yeah like huh by the sun just you've been burned so bad yeah no no but just going there and like buying groceries and putting them in a car and like running two errands and i'm like oh the shrimp i bought has gone completely bad. Scamping. From like a 20-minute stop so I could pick up Rita's Italian ice next door to the Costco. Now still shrimp. And I'm like, what happened to this shrimp?

So ever since then, like even now, we don't even get like the same intensity of heat. I'm like so on top of not leaving shit out of the refrigerator. Because, man, I remember insisting that the shrimp hadn't gone bad and everybody was like bro this shit is fucked up like don't even yeah like please let this dream go and i'm like but i i just bought it and now we're going like it's we can tell just please so since then i like my shrimp sauteed in a nice dirty grocery store ice water melted ice water like that's kind of how I like my shrimp prepared. Yeah.

I would have loved my soft shell shrimp I was cooking up. Well, that's the thing with shrimp. And no offense to shrimp, if they're listening. But sometimes even the best of shrimp is questionable. Because shrimp smells shrimpy, which is not my favorite scent. Yeah. Right. You got to really be like, okay, is that regular shrimp? Sure. Because shrimp smells shrimpy, which is not my favorite scent. Yeah, right. You got to really be like, okay, is that regular shrimp?

Or do I feel a little bit of that ammonia stank that tickles the nose that your body's saying, warning, Will Robinson, do not eat. Exactly. Or danger, Will Robinson. Sorry for all the fans out there. Some of the both best and most confounding advice i ever got was somebody just being like your body knows so like just listen to your body when it comes to like if the food tastes just like a little bit off which i think would be good if my brain if i wasn't like the sort of person who just constantly this was me saying that to you about how. No, I got that like when I was like 12. Yeah.

And I've like, it's never left my mind. Anytime I'm like eating something, I'm like, is my body telling me anything? Right. But I, you know, I don't, I don't have the sort of mental certitude to. Just the mind body connection. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Right.

Well, that's like when you're like, am I getting a strong message from my gut? And I'm not talking about food poisoning here. I'm just talking about life decisions or like when you're trying to like read a situation. Is this a gut message or is this anxiety? So I have trouble reading those too. What's the old intuition telling me? You know? All right, Allison, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things that we're

talking about. We're just going to talk about, you know, we're going to continue to talk about Uvalde and General State. I don't know, but this has made me convinced that we're headed for fascism. I'll talk about why that's the case. But, you know, the news is just horrifying, getting more horrifying. So we will talk about that story. We'll talk about one of the kids from Jaws. Have you guys heard about this movie, Jaws? It's my favorite movie. I saw it a hundred times before I was six years old. There are these two little whippersnappers in the film Jaws who get on the big day when Amity Island opens its beaches for July 4th. I think it's July 4th. The mayor opens them and

people are out on the beach and then a shark fin is spotted and the police roll up on a boat and have like 10 guns drawn on the shark. then his two kids hold it doing like a little prank little prankaroo one of those kids is now the sheriff of martha's vineyard and he is like embroiled or like got was involved in a a way like a similar thing, like a shark, a great white shark hoax, where he puts someone in the slammer or whatever the jail in Martha's Vineyard looks like. I'm sure it's like an Andy Griffith type thing. It's like one of those bridges of Madison County, but with bars on it. Right.

It's so whimsical. Uh-huh. All of that, plenty more. But first, Allison, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? A recent search of mine, and this was such an open-ended search that it did not lead me to what I was looking for. But I typed in water flask, which did not pull up the specific thing I was looking for. Okay. And I know this is hard to believe

because it's like a basic quality of human beings. However, unlike most every other human being, I hate drinking water. I find it hard to suck down. I think it is gross. Wait, what do you mean hard? Like you're like, Oh God, please. It's like not another, but it's like it it you feel disgusted by water pretty much wow okay all right i mean look if i'm at some kind of not to be a hollywood type but like if i'm at some kind of general meeting or something and i'm offered a bottle of water i'll have a few sips you know if i'm doing a TV appearance and I'm offered a chili bottle of water, yes, I will quaff. But in general, if I'm thirsty, it is not my go to. I, although because so, so for years and years, pretty much, I didn't expect to go this deep and this revelatory

because this makes me look like a real weirdo. Sugar-freefree caffeine-free flavored carbonated sodas have been what i drink like around the clock but that is very bad for you and it's specifically very bad for the enamel on your teeth yeah uh so i finally after years was like i have to stop this this is like not good so i've switched to water so i actually now i've joined the human race and I'm an old person and I drink water. And I was there a search in your past where you were like, what to drink instead of unflavored. It was like water. Teeth have become soft. Alternative beverage for helping.

But so anyway, Stacey London of what not to wear evidently also hates there are people like us out there i get that yeah yeah you also hate water there's far more people who love water but there are other people who hate water too so she's like i don't like drinking water i find it boring i find it hard to drink but i got this water flask and it's shaped kind of like an alcohol flask and it's shaped kind of like an alcohol flask and it's sort of flat and it's like very stylish looking and she held it up in this video and she's like and i find that it makes it easier to drink you know what do you know like score one for design so i was i searched water flask as if this might pull it up forgetting that every water

bottle is referred to as a flask so that was my search and like hydro flask that brand too right you mean this you're like no i want to booze hip flask yeah i'm gonna give you some uh confounding advice i once got just listen to your body your body's telling you whether or not you need something but But that is a question I have because I go back and forth on water, as I think most people do. I don't think anyone's ever just fully, I constantly like to be drinking water,

but I am a sweaty person. With people who aren't big water drinkers, I feel like sometimes it might just be like they don't sweat that much. They don't need that much water to be like constantly cycling through their body. I mean, I know people who are not water drinkers. Guess what? They have kidney stones.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like I know people who like really like are reaping what they sow. They're like, bro, I can't handle water. Like, I'm passing the stone. I got to drink more water. The doctor said it's because I don't drink enough water. So seeing shit like that had me like guzzling gallons of water just to see the amount of pain I saw people in from passing kidney stones.

Yeah. So you would think maybe I'm not properly or maybe I wasn't properly hydrated given that I didn't drink water. But because I used to drink so much of my favorite and I like to refer to it as a flavored water because that sounds healthy but it really is a diet it's somewhere between diet soda and flavored water I would drink so much of it can you just like give it give it what is specific here because like you're you're using so many descriptors and as I said I'm a brand baby i need are you accusing me of of purposefully obfuscating um not purposely no for years it was pavilions brand refresh that's r-e-f with the accent

refresh a yes wild cherry flavored refresh a i like that you brought it down to the people though and didn't do the refresh a that's what we always jokingly called it. We're like, yo, let me get that refreshé. In high school, I remember, because I was like, broke boy soda. It's very delicious. But then I switched to another ethical brand, Walmart brand. I think it's called Clear Choice. Either key lime or cherry limeade.

Oh, man, did that scratch an itch that I didn't know I had. So good. And it's even cheaper. Right now, I do have a Diet 7-Up with me. But I also have three waters near me. This is just if I can't take it anymore and I need to go to the diet soda. Oh, yeah. So, no.

But my urine was clear. Oh, okay. Like I was, I'm very hydrated. Yeah, okay. Just not with, well no, now it's water. But in the past it was with water-like substances. Got it. I have very specific like memories of points in my life that were unhappy where I was drinking

diet, caffeine-free sodas. How could you be unhappy during those times of your life? That's a happy drink. Like when I first started like working at Cracked, we like had a small windowless office above a wig shop in 34th Street. And I was just like eating a six inch, I would get a foot long Subway sub,

eat half of it one day, save the other half for the next day, get one diet Sprite every day, and chew nicotine gum. And it was dark days, man. Maybe if you had a Fresca, you would have felt differently. Maybe. It's almost definite that I would have. What is something you think is overrated? What is something you think is overrated? Oh, okay.

Look, I don't want to bring the haters out, but I think camping is overrated. I recently went on a camping trip with my kids' preschool, and I referred to it as camping. I posted a photo, and the camping truthers came for me because I did not sleep in a tent. There were three different camping accommodations you could be in at this campground in RV Park. And we were in. It was really like a mobile home kind of thing. It was on wheels. It was very narrow. Daniel and I had to turn sideways to pass each other.

But it did have a little tiny bathroom in it and it had a bed. But it had no cell service, no Wi-Fi. And it was very hot and there were bugs. And physically it was uncomfortable. And the whole trip was called a camping trip. So I called it camping. But a lot of people had to let me know, what you're doing is not camping. Yeah. a lot of people had to let me know what you're doing is not camping yeah so i guess so i don't know if what i'm i don't know if i'm saying camping is overrated or if i'm saying camping

these people are rigid definitions of camping is overrated first of all i'm shocked that you as a woman on the internet would hear feel any backlash from a take on something like camping. No, I actually, I actually, I guess I'm folding in my, hey, get off my buns to these people, to my camping lover raid. I just, I'm sure there's a scenario where this is lovely. And I actually could envision it. Like I could imagine going out someplace and like sleeping under the stars and stuff.

Yeah. Being wonderful. I did that once when I was young and it was and i did enjoy it but i just feel that we have gotten to a point where we don't have to make everything so challenging so i don't understand the fun of it yeah i i don't know i'm with them though though. You can't call it camping unless you sleep in the same hole that you shit in. Oh, wow. That's the only way. Is it a hard structure?

It's not camping. Yurt, maybe. I'll maybe give you that if it's a yurt. But then no tent, no camp. That's glamping, which is the thing I think a lot of people like to get. I was like, that's actually glamping. Yeah, someone accused me of that. It didn't feel feel glam none of this shit is glamorous by the way yeah like already adding a bunch of preschoolers to the mix yeah that was gonna be a real enjoyable trip real

relaxing what are you talking about like half the time you're probably like jesus what are they doing they like this i'm so hot in here like that's the part of a good any experience i've had that's a good camping trip is because the weather's nice enough that I'm either not frozen at night or absolutely burning like down and sweat at night either. Like when you don't have like the temperature right, it does make shit just feel uncomfortable. And I'm not outdoorsy enough to be like, you know, damn it all. I just want to be out here. Yeah, I kept thinking I envision camping as because the one time i did it was up in sequoia and it was nice and cool i imagine it like walking around in the cool crisp mountain

air and this was like a you know circle of like frizzy sweat around your scalp when you get out of the shower not that i took a shower but if i did i imagine that would have you know sprung up immediately right a circle of frizzy sweat yeah okay i'm just too i think you might be drinking too much carbonated water just based on that description but your sweat get all foamy at your hairline i'm sorry this is if you have naturally curly the fret the fret the sweat itself is not frizzy it's if your hair has some natural curl to it. Yeah, those little baby hairs start going. Yeah. No, I feel you.

Thank you. What is something you think is underrated. Specifically, when you go to a restaurant and they give you bread, I don't want your magical chef's made special herby olive oil or this is our flavored

brie cheese blend butter stuff. If you're going to give bread, and by the way, please do give bread. Just give me butter too because I don't want to have to ask for butter because then I feel really unclassy. Y'all got any Wonder Bread back there or something?

I could just hit up. Do you? Excuse me. Do you have parquet? Thank you. Yeah. And then I have to pretend it's for my kids. My kids who, they only eat buttered noodles. So, yeah. They're like, Miss, you're just here with your husband at home. They would like some later. Yeah. So look, if I'm going to enjoy bread, I'm going to enjoy butter. And I am going to if I'm at a restaurant. I would like to have some

butter on the bread. And I recognize there's all sorts of special things to put on the bread. But I just would like butter, please. Don't make me ask. It's too embarrassing. Also, please don't put a ton of... I was at this restaurant a couple weeks ago where they had butter, but they put so much rock salt on the pad of butter to make it look cool. I'm like, this is going to render it inedible. That much salt.

I can't do this. I remember I love butter so much. My mom would get mad at me because I would use so many pads of butter for like one piece of bread as a kid. That whenever I get bread, I'm always like, I need the butter. Yeah. Please. See, in so many restaurants now, they just bring some kind of like special infused spread and they keep their butter in the back. I'm here for that i i

personally you know it must be uh takes all times but fuck with my butter all you want like give me give me something surprising put a little stick in in the butter on the top of the butter i like a lot of salt on the top on the butter that's like a twig you mean like some kind of special twig i think like a you know rosemary but, but it could be also not rosemary. And I'd be like, they know what they're doing. I like to be surprised on my butter. You know, the best is though, you get bread at the table that doesn't need anything.

When you eat, they're like, oh my God, what is this? I think I know of exactly one example of that, and that's red lobster. But yeah, well, every place, I feel like my default, do you try the bread without butter first? No. Oh, yeah. I always go butter first unless they're like, this doesn't need butter.

If there's butter, I'm butter. That's like, they got to go together. There's no need to. Why would I do that? But frequently lately, there isn't butter. That's what I'm saying, you guys. Yeah. And we're now in this place too,

where we've normalized paying for bread. Like when you go to these high, like a couple of high end restaurants now, they're like, oh, and you could get bread service for $18. I'm like, we need to go.

This is fucking, like this is stupid. That's when I reach into my diaper bag and pull out the loaf I brought from home. Yeah. There you go. You're like, can I actually, do you have a bread knife back there?

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Yeah. You know, videos of parents screaming for the police to do something while, you know, you can hear the shooter in the building just shooting an automatic weapon. I think they threatened to taser people. Yeah, they had to subdue a parent who was like, why are you standing out here? Our children are being killed inside. And they had to subdue one guy and then threatening to tase another person. Yeah.

It's, it's just one of the, this thing has, it, it's, it's gotten grim on so many levels. Just the more you learn about it again, like all day, like many places in this country, they spent about 40% of their municipal budget on law enforcement for what this massacre has again, exposed police, not as heroes heroes but as cowards with guns that would rather engage unarmed people with their backs turned than to serve and protect and i think there's a lot i feel like we need to tear down a few myths because a lot of it was we just saw it so clearly in front of us right first we see parents screaming at the armed armed police to engage somebody who's an an active active like he's murdering people right yeah he but police are face have their back to the school

and are facing out like they're fucking bouncers exactly protecting him right and we have to first accept again that there's a legal precedent that says basically police are not obligated to protect us that's that's that's real um there's a series of supreme court decisions that says basically police are not obligated to protect us. That's real. There's a series of Supreme Court decisions that have basically made it so these people are legally protected killers that also have cowards rights. First, there's a case Deshaney versus Winnebago County of 1989. In this case, there was a young boy who was being abused by his father and the county social services knew about it, but they did nothing to remove the child until he ended up in a vegetative state.

And then the court ruled that the state didn't have a special obligation to protect a citizen against harms it did not create. In 2005, Jessica Gonzalez sued Castle Rock, Colorado, because she had a restraining order against her husband and he kidnapped three of her kids. She called the police and said, I have a restraining order against this person. They have three of my kids. They said, well, why don't you call call us later? Maybe he brought him home. He killed the kids and then opened fire in a police department and also and then was killed by police.

was killed by police. In that decision, the Supreme Court said Antonin Scalia argued that, quote, a well-established tradition of police discretion has long coexisted with apparently mandatory arrest statutes. Essentially saying it's it's authoritarian. It's up to them. You live in a police state. You can't question their judgment. They're the ones who are allowed to use guns and you're not allowed to question their judgment when they when they use them or choose not to it doesn't matter they just have like absolute power right so what is the theorized reasoning for why they were keeping parents out i think well i don't know i mean it sounds like they were saying they're waiting for backup they're trying to create a perimeter around the crime person had an automatic when the person has an automatic assault rifle, I think the standard operating order for the police that aren't like an armed tactical unit is to wait for backup. Because it'll just be like more carnage. I have to admit, I have been so focused on the idea that like guns are the problem here and the right is throwing up all these other arguments that are distractions from what the real issue is that now that the talk has turned to the cops at the beginning, i was kind of not paying attention to that because

even that felt like a distraction so i'm a little bit even though this is all happened in like rapidly i'm i i'm a little bit late to the news of this so before the show i was like trying to quickly kind of catch up on this story so i feel like i i don't know all the details of this although the details of this keep changing too. Right. So, so if, if I'm understanding correctly, what has come out, like at first, the story was that the cops had shot him, right?

And that he was wearing armor. Like border officer. But then did it come out that he wasn't actually wearing armor? They said he had a tactical vest, but like, they don't believe they had any hardened like plates in it. That would have been the actual bullet stopping plates. But even more than that, like I think the other thing that's coming out is that it took 40 minutes.

Right. Of this person in the building. And at the press conference that Beto O'Rourke interrupted, the sheriff there was saying how the gunman had gone to the school and a resource officer engaged him, but didn't exchange gunfire. So I don't know what that engagement was exactly. Like there's so many of these weird things were like, but then what was that? And again, I think that's why like this feels like just sort of it's it's like an omni crisis in this one thing that we're having to realize all at the same time. Like if you look at the church parishioners in California, they had the bravery to stop the gunmen themselves in that mass shooting recently. The teachers in this instinct had to be unarmed surrogates for the police in the school

while they threatened parents with tasers who could no longer just sit idly by while their children were being killed. Then if you think about the gunman in Brooklyn, he tipped the police off himself to where he was at, and a member of the community apprehended him. That was after they had just expanded the number of police on the subway, like huge budget to do that. And when the shooting and gas attack happened to the subway,

a cop turned and told somebody to call 911. And they didn't catch him, even though he was just walking around and dropped his wallet and shit. Went to Cat's Deli, I think. And this, the shooter in Texas, too, after shooting his grandmother, he posted it on Facebook,

and he said he's going to shoot in elementary school. I don't know who was looking at his Facebook, but he was posting it, too. Yeah. That one I have trouble with because I don't know how many times a day shit like that happens just the way the internet is you know and i like it's hard it's like that's a horrifying nightmare situation for the parents, for whoever the cop was on the outside who, you know, was put in charge of like holding the parents back like that. I do think like the lasting point here is that the fact that this 18 year old could arm himself to the point that they had to wait for tactical backup is like there is something systemically wrong there right but it does tie into this larger story we're seeing where

the police who are heroized and also trusted as like the number one source of our like mass media our mainstream media are not trustworthy and are not the heroes that like movies have been telling us they are and that the right wants to believe they are yeah i mean this is i don't i'm not i'm not trying to defend these cops i don't know anything about them but i know this is a tiny this was was like a 15,000 people town. Like I would imagine that if I, the kindest thing I can say is I suspect these cops were not prepared for this situation. And so they should have just stood aside because they didn't, they definitely didn't help things. But I think that's, I think that goes to a larger fact about what is policing even, if we're in a

situation like this, right? So those parents who were screaming outside the school while they knew their kids were in imminent danger and they stood idly by, that's all of us in this country right now. And I think we need to recognize that. A horrific disaster unfolds in front of our eyes. And we've been told since birth that there are people that will intervene to protect us, yet they look on as if they are powerless. That really fucked me up to feel that powerless, to know how severe the situation is. And you're screaming at the people who you've been told are going to protect you. But these parents have been rendered completely powerless by a system that is only interested in maintaining

like a very rigid power structure. So those police are also our politicians telling us all the time what good they do and how much worse things would be if the situation changed despite people constantly asking for something different. We scream just like the parents do. We scream for body autonomy, for equality, for kids to not have to have equivalent experience as like combat veterans. And they're more interested in crowd control, more interested in optics rather than tangible

outcomes. And we've been fed this really poised, these poisonous myths about electoral, like electoralism and crime. And that accurate taste that we all experience, like this, like everyone is, they're like, something is so fucked up, right? And some people can put their finger on it.

Others can't, but that's our bodies no longer being able to accept these myths because we're looking at this. We look at results over and over. They say, vote and I will curb police violence. Nothing. Vote and I will protect our LGBTQ youth. Nothing. Vote and I will make life easier. Nothing. So we need to stop like asking to make it make sense because I feel like

that's like the most dominant take I see on Twitter. Why is how is this make it make sense? And I think the thing is, we have to accept that it does not make sense and will not make sense. The only sense this situation makes is that we live under a horrifyingly cruel system of governance and finance. when they're trying to protect themselves or further their own interests, especially when that butts up against, you know, whatever a gigantic entity there is. So I think at the end of the day, some people may be gullible enough due to their own privileged lives to think that nothing needs to change. And they're like, it's only these like little adjustments that have to be made. But I think many people are really starting to see how backwards and absurd this whole situation is. And we can't just let this pass. What we need is to understand that the challenge of our time is to try and right the ship because they've demon look, we can't, we can't keep acting like these people know what they're doing. We like how many more kids need to

die? How many more, how many many more marginalized people need to be victimized and turned into the true villains of society when we know it's not trans people that are taking people's jobs or why the factory shut down? It's because it's corporations. It was best for their bottom line, but we still allow these narratives to exist and poison people's nines. And we're just constantly asking for just the smallest things to help make our lives better. But you look at the Senate, they care more about their ancient racist traditions, the filibuster, more than children being murdered in mass. We used to be able to go to lunch together.

Yeah. But you know what it is? I think that level of pathology needs to be something every person in America needs to accept. That's what we're looking at. They they they allow people they allow we allow children to be killed in this country. Yeah. Like this has added a layer of urgency for me because it's just another example of a story that is just like, like we this system is broken the the populace is bleeding like the it is a poisonous like system that is just like spewing more poison and into the system and the longer that we hang around and in this system where you see images like a cop protecting a schoolhouse with his back to the mainstream is like you're Donald Trump, you are Tucker Carlson. And it's it won't be a like a thing where people are like that. That is a Republican politician with fascist tendencies like that. Republican politician with fascist tendencies. I'm waking up to the fact that the most likely outcome here is open and official fascism in America in the not-too-distant future,

like by the time my kids are in high school, because the status quo is no longer viable. When people run for president, they are always like,, like I'm running as an outsider. That's what resonates with people, except for in the case of Trump, when it was Biden could be like, I'm not Trump. But then Biden being like a old school, like party person and like having this presidency is only going to underline the fact more like but it was you know since 2008 when the financial collapse happened it's like obama running on hope and change bait and switch trump running on america's and apocalypse and i alone can fix it and racism bait and switch and then biden just being like i'm not trump and but somehow bait and switch that too and and yeah and also you know here are some things that i will do and then bait and switch not doing anything and like it just it feels like the people are calling out for an alternative so desperately but the the entire u.s immune system is designed to kill off leftism and any threat to

business and commerce and like corporate rule which is what we have now like that the thing that is happening right now with guns is not because of the people, you know, who live in rural communities and talk about like they'll take my guns out of my cold dead hands and shit like that. It's because of corporations that manufacture guns like that. That's what we're in. And the Democrats are complicit in that too but so it is like the the u.s immune system is designed is designed to kill off leftism any threat to business it is not designed to stop fascism fascism is good for business that's why the closest america came to being overtly openly fascist was when like there was something called literally the business plot. It's organized by the heads

of industry, and they tried to take over the government from FDR before he could get into World War II. If a socialist alternative doesn't find a way to rise up in the next handful of years, we will be in a fascist dictatorship in the not-too-. Like that feels inevitable to me at this point, like based on just what we're seeing, the, you know, just this, the current system and its death rattle and like everybody openly seeing it for what it is and then nobody having anything to do.

Like I Google, like I was just like, I did it like I knew I wasn't going to find anything. I was like, what do I do with anger in America? Like what? And then it was like, here's how to deal with anger. Like jog, walk out, take a walk outside. Like we just like, yeah, it's just like we individualize it and turn it into like our problem. I've heard it from, you know, young people who we work with who are like, you know, I'm watching the news. I'm like feeling like shit because that's the least I can do. And it's like, no, it's not your fault. It's not our fault. We are like in the fucking matrix. Like we really are like in a system that is fully built like down to a cellular level to lie to you about what is possible and we need to like find ways to educate ourselves about what is possible and like

build like from the ground up a fucking imagination like a revolutionary imagination because it's like we we don't have we just like don't have it in america we have no idea what a third party like what even when we're saying like we need a alternative that's not fascism i don't think anybody like even i certainly don't like have a concrete idea of like what that would look like we have to like create that future and like build that imagination i think we're so propagandized to be afraid of it right because of the cold war and because of just because of the right wing and because of so many things that it's like it would have to be cloaked in entirely new language although like if you you know people truly want medicare for all as long as it is presented in a way that you know doesn't frighten them.

Yeah. I have a question that's a little bit of a tangent. So I spend too much time on Twitter. And, you know, Twitter is like a lovely place where people are reasonable. And maybe it's because I spend time on Twitter. And maybe that's not an accurate reflection of how a lot of people are, but I have this notion of half of the country and it feels like no matter what awful thing happens, like you present like, look, this is going to happen or this, you know, this horrible thing is happening to these people. This horrible thing is happening

to these people. And there's, you know, a segment of the population that's like, fine, I don't give a fuck. Fine. I don't care. And I don't know if it's like because they're in it for the loves or they're truly heartless or they want other people to be in dire straits. So I think it feels like 19 children died. Fine. I don't care. That's their attitude. And so my question for you is, do you think there really are people for whom 19 kids dying? They just don't care. Or is that like a posture they take because it helps their argument? Like we are so disproportionately inundated with those people's opinions and also like straw man version of those people's opinions from like the Democrats saying that's how the Republicans think or the Republicans saying that the Democrats think. Nobody is like pointing out just like over 60 percent of people like want these very concrete steps to be taken and like we we are all alike in the sense that like this shit was fucking unacceptable and like completely horrifying like that's i don't know like that that's kind of how i'm feeling is that there is a lot of noise that is designed to mask the fact that we the majority of us want the same things

in a lot of cases most people want access to abortion most people want common sense gun control most people don't want to go broke being sick yes and right and it's and but i'm saying that's the reason like why the political party has done so such a good job is to label some of these things with certain like thought killing cliche labels, like just call that socialism. It ends the conversation for someone in their mind right there. Like how like insidious the like lack of revolutionary imagination is like the thing that always pops in my head when i think of like a revolutionary like leftism in america is like the scene in forrest gump in washington dc because it's like the ultimate

boomer revision of history and like the hippies are just like marching around in lines that don't go anywhere and like everyone is just a cartoon like the black panthers are a cartoon like at one point they're like shouting at the top of their lungs at forrest gump like political platitudes and then he leaves and they keep shouting at the empty space where he was because they're just like i don't know what fucking robert zemeckis's uh insane theory was but i think it was like that they're just like animatronic, like anger robots. That's like what he made them in his vision of that. But that is like, the boomers really fucked us, man. They really like took their idea of revolution and then turned

it into like a thing that is like, that's how unrealistic people think and fortunately like they are going away but like we really like it we we need to excavate that like that shit needs to be cut out it is a fucking cancer the idea that like you can't have revolutionary activism in the united states is is the status quo belief i'm like we we need to address that right and i think people don't realize is the relative prosperity they experienced as a generation helped cool that those jets a little bit you know yeah and the relative experiencing abundance and now you're dealing with generations who have nothing yeah and those tricks don't work because you can't subdue us there's no there isn't prosperity so how are you going to subdue people they're only going to be more focused on

their lack of things and what happens is that creates the space for someone to come in and give you a fucked up explanation for what that is hey it's these people hey it's these people hey it's this and that's the sort of knife's edge that we're on they're fully going to buy into one version or we have to or do the uncomfortable thing and realize just how like how much of a failed system we have honestly that's why every other country looks on and is like what is going on with y'all yeah they're like the thing that i was reading this morning was like so somebody was just like one of the greatest culture shocks when i arrived in the u.s was the blind

veneration of police after years and years of living here i'm reading about this country i now realize that it's the structural pillar of white supremacy that yeah like that is the like there are so many things that are not normal in like, yeah, in this country that we have just accepted. This is the thing, right? And do you talk about what's happening on the right? Like Ted Cruz ran away from a Sky journalist from the UK who just asked a very straightforward question about like, why does this seem to be an American problem? And I'll play this because this is a very straightforward answer. But the way Ted Cruz freaks out, I think, is instructive.

...sets of parents who are never going to get to kiss their child goodnight again. Is this the moment to reform gun laws? Oh, word. You know, it's easy to go to politics. Oh, shut the fuck up. You're a politician. I get that that's where the media likes to go. No, it's not.

It's where many of the people we've talked to here like to go. The proposals from Democrats in the media, inevitably, when some violent psychopath murders people... A violent psychopath who's able to get a weapon so easily. 18-year-old with two AR-15s. If you want to stop violent crime, the proposals the Democrats have, none of them would have stopped this. But why does this only happen in your country? I really think that's what many people around the world just, they cannot fathom. Why only in America? Why is this American exceptionalism so awful? You know, I? Why is this American exceptionalism so awful?

You know, I'm sorry you think American exceptionalism is awful. I think this aspect, I think this aspect of it. You've got your political agenda. God love you. Senator, it's not. I just want to understand why you do not think that guns are the problem. Why is this just an American problem? It is just an American problem. He goes on, he just, you know, says you're a propagandist nonsense. And again, this is a, this is someone who's asked a question, couldn't offer you a solution.

No. I think that's what people need to really hone in on when politicians speak. Seldom are they actually offering a tangible solution. And that should be, that should set alarms off in your head as to where the country like what the direction is of the country because the people who are making the laws they don't care about solving anything biden tweeted as a nation we must ask when in god's name will we stand up to the gun lobby when in god's name will we do what needs to be done i'm sick and tired of it we have to act what what are you sick and tired of what like what name it name it and what are you that like is it just their party

is it like say what needs to happen like what are the lobbyists visiting me? No. They visit y'all. Their job is to interact with politicians. So why are you asking us? You need to figure that out on your own. And that's an empty gesture to just say, when are we going to stop? Say something. You tell me, motherfucker. You tell me.

It's like hot potato. They're all just turning around and pointing. Right. And Laura Trump on Fox news goes on they can't they can't say anything that's of that makes any sense so she's just gonna go off and talk about how we don't have two parent homes anymore it's not guns it's not it's not any it's not inequality it's it's the other shit who the fuck is laura trump across the board at things like the fact that you know we have the dissolution of the family in so many respects. We have fatherless children on the rise in America. We have the loss of

religion in so many aspects of our country where it was a foundation of our country at one time. You can't discount the rise of social media and the role that that has played in things like this. the rise of social media and the role that that has played in things like this. And then the mental health aspect of this obviously has to be a focus. Okay, I'm not even gonna let her finish that because Greg Abbott slashed mental health budgets in the state. So there's that's moot. There's no don't don't talk about mental health when it's never even been anything you've actually advocated for. It's all emptiness, right? And again, this is how, this is the explanation.

This is a group of people who are, I'm people on Fox news are assuredly horrified to hear that 19 children killed and two adults. Right. And then you have someone come in and not say it's not guns. It's not the fact that, you know, we have like places like 4chan or other things where people can get radicalized or share weird ideas and things like that. It's we don't have god yeah you know what i mean like we need

a theocracy that's what that's the solution that's being handed out is a theocracy that's the only solution that has its own channel you know because the other channels the the other channels are all part of the just speak around the truth look look the other way like so right that that's what i'm saying like that is why the inability for anybody to just like say what it is from from anywhere except you know a fascist perspective like is what is making me so worried that like this is where it's headed because it's like every it's all just corporate corporate like bullshit and inaction. And then that fascism, that theocracy bullshit. Right.

They're filling the knowledge gap with fascist talking points. Yeah. Because there are people asking, what do we do? Yeah. Because left or right, if you're if you're not wealthy you're you're being like man shit's kind of fucked up yeah but if on one channel it's like it's theocracy that's what we need we need more god we need more guns they're they're saying something although it's not really something they're i mean they will legislate on it eventually as they are a lot of

other things but yeah you flip the switch to like cnn or whatever they can't say they can't advocate for anything different and i think that shows you the direction it's going because the republic is on the right they don't have the numbers to win like like actual just straight up majorities of things so they have to defeat the process of even having like a democratic system of elections even though though that's, you know, arguable, debatable, whatever, to completely just say, nah, all right, we closed the door. Now we're in charge. We got this. And these, guess what? These are all the rules we like to enforce. And we'll just be sitting there confused because we're, we're like, we, we, we have to find a way we, we, the, the, the signals coming from the media have to offer people something

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And Jaws is my favorite movie. There were, there's a scene, the big scene, kind of the, like, I think it's the midpoint of the film when they open the beaches, even though Sheriff Brody knows it's a bad move. Everybody's watching the water, kind of nervous because a shark's been eating people.

And then there's a shark fin, but it turns out to be kids doing a prank, doing a goof. And one of those kids, so apparently they just cast jaws with people they passed on the way to like filming the scene because like one of those kids was just a Martha's Vineyard resident. That's where they shot Jaws and like for all intents and purposes, like Amity Island is Martha's Vineyard. So one of those kids is now the sheriff of Martha's Vineyard where the film was, and also the son of a former police chief. So there's a connection to Jaws 4, the revenge in which Martin Brody's son was a deputy and has his dang hand bit off in the first scene. And then he gets eaten too.

I don't know how he ends up getting his hand bit off and then also falling into the water to get eaten. Well, maybe he liked the first bite. Yeah. Yeah. But like, I understand the shark liked the first bite, but the sharks in the water, he's on a dang boat. I know, but I'm saying maybe he was like, ow, I bit my hand off. Okay, daddy.

See, let me hop in. Let me find out. Anyways. So this dude once busted someone for doing what he pretended to do in jaws in 2008 he arrested someone for disorderly conduct for telling 30 people that he'd seen a pair of great whites while in a fishing boat okay so and it like the story sounds i i'm just inherently like well you know this person's a cop they're probably just wanting to arrest somebody. But apparently the fishing boat that the person claimed he was on and the owner of the boat didn't seem to exist.

Okay. So based on my investigation, Officer Searle's report says there is no credibility to be given to Michael Lepenzo's shark story. But then other people did report seeing a shark fin in the water on the same day. The lifeguards closed the beaches, spotters in a plane saw something, and then a month before that, fishermen saw what they thought was a great white near the beach.

Yeah, this is all before the person that he put in jail for saying they saw a shark got put in jail and then our car gets a seal washed up which is a plot point from jaws 2 except it's an orca whale prompt them to call in a shark specialist presumably a richard dreyfus type who examined the decomposing body of the seal and was like i don't know man it's a dead seal but and then because of Jaws, like everybody wanted there to be a shark attack because it would make for a good story.

There wasn't ultimately a shark attack, but I do feel like this dude arrested somebody for seeing a shark, basically. I'm working on a theory. Now I have a huge admission. This is in an episode of admissions. I have not seen Jaws. I know this is a humongous

laugh. Oh, Jack just passed away. Oh no, come back! She was joking, Jack. She was joking. I've seen it 6,000 times. Thank you. Even though I've seen it 6,000 times, I seem to be a little unclear on the plot point.

Did this guy in the movie get in trouble for seem to be a little unclear on a plot point did this guy in the movie get in trouble for for pretending to be a shark fan he did it's like a it's like a fun little like sidebar it's like a false breaks the tension yeah like there's people are like a shark's definitely coming a shark's definitely coming you as the viewer know a shark is coming because you're watching a movie called jaws and it's like the big climactic day when the mayor opened the beach uh shark fin is spotted the police all pull up in a boat like have all their guns drawn and then the kid comes out and he's like oh it was a goof uh he made me do it it's very cute actually uh it's exactly how my kids well it doesn't like follow his story allison It doesn't become a tale of justice and vengeance.

Because the real shark comes along and starts eating people immediately after that. So he gets upstaged by the real shark. Okay, here's my theory. So Patty Duke plays... So you know the movie Miracle Worker? Never seen it. Did you say you've never seen it? I've never seen it.

But you've seen Jaws this many times? Oh boy, now I'm going to die. Okay. But it's about Helen Keller. Jack's seen it 6,000 times. I've never heard of Helen Keller. Yeah, it's about Helen Keller. So Patty Duke, that Patty Duke,

played Helen Keller when she was a kid. But apparently she always wanted to play, I'm forgetting what. Helen Keller's teacher? Yes. When she got older, she wanted to play. I'm forgetting what. Kelly's teacher. Yes. When she got older, she wanted to play the teacher. And then when she got older, she eventually did play the teacher. So here is my theory.

This kid in the movie played the kid. But because he'd had that experience, maybe he wanted to one day play the other role. Fucking truth bomb. Drop that bomb, Justin. Wow. That's right. So now. Perfect.

Mm-hmm. Anecdote. So his whole life has been, he's been, you know, forging towards this one point where he gets to whether, you know, justified or not, put this person in jail. Right's all he's like i want

to be chief brody that's right roy scheider ain't shit that's then he was in like a a janky like uh my copy of that show sea quest dsv that roy scheider was into he's like yeah man i gotta be in this one it's called ocean journey but well good for him but also uh a cab does include uh being the sheriff of yeah even brody i mean sheriff brody was maybe our worst cop of all time he was uh alcoholic i think that was the subtext of the movie. Did not like water, even though he was the sheriff of Martha's Vineyard. I don't like water.

I could be a sheriff. Yeah. Not only did he not like drinking it, he only liked drinking the booze. But he didn't like going near it, going on boats, which made it problematic. And then in the second movie, he opens fire on a crowded beach at a school of bluefish because he has such ptsd from the first movie but then his ptsd comes to life there is really a shark anyways it's a great great film franchise alice and rosen thank you for explaining this new story for us thank you for being on uh the show today thank you for having me where can people find you,

follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? Oh my gosh, please follow me on social media at Alison Rosen on Twitter and Instagram. Just one L

because my parents wanted me to have to say just one L for the rest of my life. Just A-L-I-S-O-N-R-O-S-E-N. Listen to my shows. Upworthy Weekly is a lighthearted news podcast that comes out on Saturdays.

And also Alison Rosen is your new best friend and childish. Is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Yes. On TikTok, I'm obsessed with this woman. Her account is called Veneer Check. This does not seem like something I would become obsessed with. However, it's like my favorite thing on TikTok. Her name is Dr. Sarah. She's a Harvard DMD. A DMD is like a, I don't, it's like a more advanced dentist or something. And what she does is she looks at pictures of a celebrity and like goes like from when they're young to now and talks about their teeth. they're young to now and talks about their teeth. And she's like, oh, here's their natural teeth and kind of like explains like you'll notice the lateral ones a little bit smaller and the difference in the shade. And then she's like, here, it looks like they have some veneers. And then she just explains like whether she thinks they have veneers or not and the dental work they've had. And it is

surprisingly riveting. And if you go in the comments comments you'll see like a lot of people have become strangely obsessed veneer check riveting it's so funny because this is like one of jamie loftus's like hobbies is to always check out the veneers and just like look at pictures and always be like veneers veneer to not veneer so she should go look at her yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna hit her up and i'm like please tell me you know about and she'd probably be like veneer check and i'm like okay never mind it's fascinating riveting yeah oh i mean so many people got them and i'm lucky i got my my old regulars in miles where can people find you what is the tweet you've been enjoying find me on twitter and instagram at miles of gray

you know about 420 day fiance where sophia alexander and i talk about 90 day fiance and if you like basketball because the conference finals are pumping right now check out the latest episode of mad boosties uh miles jack got mad boosties our nba podcast yeah with Dragonfly Jones. Yes, yes. And follows on NBA Twitter. For sure. Some tweets that I like. Oh, gosh. What do I even even talk about? Oh, this this one was very interesting.

Quinta Brunson, who created Abbott Elementary, tweeted this out and it said, Wild how many people have asked for a school shooting episode of the show I write. People are that deeply removed from demanding more from the politicians they've elected and are instead demanding entertainment. I can't ask, quote, are y'all OK anymore? Because the answer is no. And someone actually replied to that at Carl. Carl Logan tweeted. They're asking the wrong Abbott to do something. And yeah, it's just kind of a, it's just wild.

Just the fact that even Quinta Brunson, who gave us one of the best shows this year, is then even like, why are they coming to me for this? But it shows our inherent reflexes. Yeah, we're just not all right. Yeah. And we don't know where to look. Right. Because there's no leadership. So let's see. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien.

Tweet I've been enjoying from Good Time Janice's Got the Blunt, maybe. Jerry Seinfeld doing stand-up voice. Anybody here ever think about killing themselves? That just made me laugh. Jerry. What are you doing? Yeah, I mean, it's another one that I should have just let you do. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.

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out on yesterday Soccer 96 I was gonna fight fascism listen to the song just listen to it see what it inspires in you that you were gonna to do something because we're finding ourselves in a very uncomfortable situation. So have a little laugh, but also, you know, find it within you to know that there are enough of us out there that we can, you know,

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