The Daily Zeitgeist - It’s A Wembanyama World with Mark Schindler
Episode Date: October 13, 2022Miles and Jack were honored to be joined by the NBA and WNBA writer Mark Schindler on the latest episode. The trio discussed the state of the Pacers, some high expectations for a few surprise teams an...d the Wembanyama/Scoot showdown from Vegas. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Yes, yes, yes.
Heck yeah, nailed it.
What a fantastic, perfect intro to the show.
Perfect.
We got to introduce our guest, Mr. Mark Schindler, WNBA dime rider.
One of his favorite players going up, Antonio McDyess.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm like, I like that pick.
Going strong to the red. Mark, welcome to the show, man. How you doing? I'm like, I like that pick. Going strong to the red.
Mark, welcome to the show, man.
How you doing?
I'm good.
Thank you guys for having me on.
And dude, for anybody who's never watched
Prime Antonio McDyess before he had the knee injuries,
go do it.
He was unreal in Denver
and first couple seasons in Phoenix too.
I remember that.
Anything basketball, I'm there.
And you seem like a younger man were you
how old were you when McDyess
was peak basketball? I was not born yet
when McDyess was
so you're a fan through the tape
yeah yeah so I
I mean like I spend my spare
time just going back and watching old hoop on
YouTube so that was how I like really got
into it especially during the pandemic
I watched a ton of old uh old old basketball so oh mcdice was your takeaway like this is the dude
everybody was sleeping on mcdice was awesome yeah that's definitely somebody who i think a lot of
people need to look at today and even like random shop like when he was with the pistons is like
they're six man he was still really good then too um yeah people forget so yeah i like that you're
like you know what there's there might not be some sports on but let me go back into the history
books let me educate myself and you come out with that uh i was in my binder right now because i was
alive when antonio mcdice was playing and i'm like i know i have his rookie card in here somewhere
uh but all that to say i am old and and so is Jack. We are elderly fans.
We were witnesses to Antonio McDyess.
Y'all are washed.
Yeah, man.
I remember Antonio McDyess at the forum, baby.
At the Great Western Forum, honey.
Get ready for some washed NBA takes.
Perfect.
So you're a big Pacers guy, huh?
Yeah, so it's funny.
I grew up in Cleveland.
Still live in Cleveland right now.
Okay.
I didn't really get into hoops until, shoot,
like right after LeBron left.
So I fell in love with like 2012 to 2014 Pacers,
and then we don't have to talk about what happened after that,
but not really a fan anymore.
Just love the game.
But that was like really my introduction to basketball were those teams that went toe-to-toe with the Heat.
Got you.
You're Roy Hibbert. Yes yes changing the way the the hoop was defended never so much that they had to change the rules around it yeah i'm still salty about that don't remind me but great
guest star on parks and rec also roy yeah yeah it was him in that life right yeah
still one of my favorite actors.
I've always said that.
I said that before Parks and Rec.
I just thought Detlef had screen magnetism.
You got to see Rick Smith.
He's in the new Scorsese film.
Putting in an amazing performance.
Could you imagine?
So how are you feeling?
So you're not like still live and die with every Pacers game?
No, not at all
oh god that would be terrible um yeah so i'm just now tapping back into fandom with uh with the
cleveland guardians and baseball but uh no i'm i i still cover the team uh over at sp nation but i
am not really a fan anymore but i watch every game so i may as well be a fan some days but there you
go yeah i like that that uh young take of like tapping back into
fandom like a thing you turn on and off that feels like advanced like you are a further generation
uh the yeah because i can't i can't turn it off uh i had to level up it helped because like i was
i was uh i was that weird kid growing up like all my family most of my family's from michigan
um and my dad went to ohio state so all my family like
u of m and i was like well i'm gonna go to michigan state instead like i was always like
the kid who like growing up was gonna do like a different thing and uh so i'm gonna make both
sides angry yeah yeah yes exactly like why not just split myself down the middle you know all
right so should we get right into what's getting us excited from the preseason
because there's there's so much happening like just we talked last week about how this this is
the part of the season where one performance and my mind is like racing off to like we are in
the john wall renaissance uh i'm ready for i I mean, that's the clip I want to talk about first.
Just John Wall keeps coming back from injury.
I keep expecting like, all right,
his game's going to have to have adapted a little bit.
And, you know, he'll be, we'll see a different John Wall.
And he comes back and he's still like,
just knifing through defenses,
getting the ball at the court,
putting it behind his back, getting to the cup.
It just appears to be
moving at a different speed than
everybody else on the court.
Still has the ball on a string.
You're like, we'll see what happens.
That explosiveness after an injury.
Meanwhile, this guy is accelerating
to the point where his center of gravity
is so far ahead of him. Most people will
fall down moving that fast.
Yeah.
He's just good at being fast, it seems.
As a Laker fan, wow.
Wow.
You love to see that.
I do.
You love to see that.
Because as not a Laker fan and somebody who can look at the Clippers with clear eyes and a warm heart,
I do think that this is a very exciting development.
If John Wall is back and playing well in the regular season,
they're even scarier than I thought.
Yeah, that's true.
Are you a Wall fan?
Any particular preseason action that's got you excited right now?
So I do love me some John Wall.
Number one, I don't know if you guys read his Player Tribune article,
but I'm rooting for him.
I mean, again, like growing up, watching him in Kentucky, like that was the first first like hoop mixtape I really saw on YouTube was like, whoa.
OK, like this is right. That's that's awesome.
Like never forget. I'm trying to remember. He was like kind of a smaller school.
And he just I go back to that every couple of months and just that's like a feat of athleticism.
I don't think anybody will ever recreate.
But no, he's looked good.
I think even in Houston, he had moments of looking good a lot.
Yeah.
Trying to rein in some of his tendencies because he still has that straight line speed.
But the biggest thing I've noticed with him is his lift isn't the same.
And I don't know if he's ever going to get back to that, which is you know his finishing hasn't been quite there at the rim but I still think like again like when he
has the vision he has and um he's a good catch and shoot player it's a lot of it's just his off
the dribble shots from mid-range and inside the arc or I mean and outside the arc or a little bit
wayward so I'm interested to see how he can really tap in uh you know playing alongside pg and in kawaii and it seems like reggie jackson is going to be the starter moving forward so i'm
just really interested to see how he can play but i i mean i'm considering everything he's gone
through i'm pretty confident he's going to be able to to rewire a little bit and and really thrive in
la yeah it's kind of cool to see him just deployed as a weapon.
A specific weapon that comes out and a literal
change of pace because again, he is
quicker than everybody else on the court.
He's just getting the ball up.
The lift is bad if you're
doing it in traffic, but if everybody's
three steps behind you, you're in good shape.
Exactly.
That's exciting. uh yeah real exciting
pelicans have been fun pelicans oh yeah seeing zion back on court like not even just back on
court but like i think i mean it's the best he's looked since he was at duke um like he was pretty
i think he was all nba his last healthiest year but mean, that was the best he's granted it's preseason,
but the best he's looked defensively just pure in shape wise.
Yeah.
He has since he's come into the league and I,
I am like ready to get irrational about that team.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean,
it's that smile.
That smile was like,
just so fun to,
you know, we, after it was like the night of our last
recording Jabari was like oh by the way like Zion's Zion's coming on right now turned on TNT
and like he was smiling for the first 25 minutes that I was watching I feel like every time they
cut to him he was just having so much yeah ear to ear smile which for fans of opposing teams or
opposing players probably came off more
like the smile from the horror movie that everyone's uh you know going to see right now but
yeah for me it just felt like i don't know it's like a reciprocal relationship where he likes
doing this as much as i like watching him do this like he just seems to really love being Zion Williamson when he's on a
basketball court,
which is,
um,
I don't know if nobody's writing the Zion smile on the smile movie poster,
they,
they need to do that.
Yeah.
They need to do that now.
Well,
cause it's different than just being like,
you know,
game face like I'm back.
Like I've had this tenacity.
The smile is like him with his body and skill set,
him being like,
and that version of Zion is scarier to me than like,
I'm focused.
Like the fact he's like,
I'm just going to express myself.
And you know,
you know,
I can do pretty much anything.
Yeah.
It looks like if somebody is like driving an amazing,
like performance vehicle for the first time and they're just like,
this is so fun. This shouldn't
be legal how much fun this is.
That looks like how he's feeling
just being back on a basketball court and realizing
oh yeah, I could do all
these amazing things that I was doing when they
let me run the offense for the Pelicans
a couple years back and it
does, to your point, it seems like
he's more of a stopper on
the defensive end. He's just got his timing down and he's doing things to shots.
He had that one block where he blocked a three coming from the other side of the court at Duke.
One of my favorite basketball highlights in years.
I still talk about it all the time.
Super producer Ana Hosnier from our other shows.
This guy that's talking about Zion and that block,
it's like,
he just caught it in midair or something,
or just like,
just want to take it away.
Yeah.
Caught it three feet after a three,
like three feet after it left someone's hand.
That should be,
uh,
impossible,
but that is one of the preseason performances.
That's got me excited.
And then I'm just going to seed the court because the other one that got me
really excited was AD.
Yeah.
Look,
looking cool with the hair grown out a little beard growth and just looked
like old AD was just hitting from all over the court,
blocking everything that went up.
It's like,
I'm looking at a picture of like an ex who I just never forgot.
I'm like,
that's right
yeah please come back to me because i mean again i feel like if with him looking healthy obviously
i remember last week we were making jokes when he had that like back break like that back brace on
and i was like oh he looks like my grandpa doing yard work but like and we're like i don't know how
how well that's gonna bode for us but then he's actually playing like this i'm like okay that
helps me feel good and given
how well the lakers are able to play when him and lebron are both healthy puts me in a slightly more
elevated mood and that's the most i'm willing to give myself at the moment um yeah but yeah it is
it is nice to see so are the pelicans your pick to be like this year's memphis like the t i i guess
it's not exactly like this year's memphis because, like people weren't on Memphis at this point in the preseason last year,
it took a little while and you know, they had a slow start.
And then all of a sudden people were like, Oh wait,
Memphis hasn't lost in a couple months. Uh,
we should probably be paying attention to them. Um, but do you, do you,
I feel like more people are on the Pelicans who,
who's your pick for like a team that could kind of come out of nowhere? Oh man, that's a tough question. I will say in the Pelicans. Who's your pick for a team that could come out of nowhere?
Oh, man, that's a tough question.
I will say on the Pelicans, I think that, or not even I think,
normally you can ask Jabari.
I don't do takes.
I like just seeing how things unfold.
But watching this team preseason and just how they kind of came together
last year, I think this is the year that they have their first 51 season in New Orleans
since the Hornets were there.
So it would be like 07, 08 when it was the Chris Paul, David West, Moe Pete,
that team.
I think that happens this year.
I think they get home court advantage.
Granted, a lot of things have to go right, but I see that with them.
The team that I think could kind of come out of nowhere,
I think that one's tough.
Just be risky with it.
Be loose with it.
Be risky?
No one's going to come back and be like,
Mark, we got you on wax over here.
It also might not be a year for people coming out of nowhere
because there are so many teams that were...
There was room for a team to come out of nowhere last year
because so many teams were banged up.
The Clippers are now coming back at full strength so it might be just a year and also because Memphis came
out of nowhere last year everyone's like who's this year's Memphis so it's not like nobody's on
right you know Minnesota which was my pick I still think that that might be interesting and I think
it's just because Gobert is so impactful, but people don't want him to be.
And so like my,
my take is not a basketball take.
It's like a cultural take that like people just aren't,
aren't appreciating how much Gobert does on the court because they just like
the stuff he does is kind of not as exciting.
And also I think people just generally have a anti Gobert bias.
And so that it's purely as like guys take not,
not anything to do with basketball other than knowing that it's good to have a
rim stopper.
Yeah.
I'd agree with that.
I think again,
it's like less out of nowhere,
but I do think the heat are going to surprise people this year,
which it sounds like crazy to say that they were a shot away from going to the finals last year.
But I think that's what's kind of interesting to me.
I feel like a lot of people are really picking them to regress this season when in a lot
of ways, I think they could get better.
Like losing P.J. Tucker certainly hurts.
I don't think that he's quite as impactful as he gets made out to be sometimes.
Not a shot at him.
Just like, you know, I think that they'll have guys stepping up who I believe are going
to take a step.
I feel like we say this every year, but I think this is the BAM year, like the year where he really takes that step and cements himself as like a top 15 player.
Instead of being like, you know, coasting around top 25, top 30 and having those little blips.
Victor Oladipo looks really good.
I think to me, like that's the thing that I'm looking at.
He had really good moments in the playoffs when he was able to get his feet under him.
I think he only he didn't even play like 20 games with the Heat, including the playoffs last year.
Duncan Robinson looks like a basketball player again in preseason, which is nice to see.
And I think Kyle Lowry, he had like just a lot of weirdness with like I know he had issues like family issues that kept him off court and ended up hurting his conditioning.
That's not to excuse his play last year, but I do think that there could be a little bit of a bounce back from
him so i think the heat are going to be a lot better than like they're normally getting protected
like a five or six seat or something right now i think they could end up being pretty good yeah
they right i mean they have the same players that they did last year when they were the one seat so
yeah that that'll be interesting who did pj tucker go to because i've heard good oh the
philadelphia 76ers right i've heard people pick them as like kind of being good this year i guess
but um maybe interesting interesting do you how do you feel about denver because that's the
that's the other team that i think a lot of people are picking to kind of take take a leap
just having jamal Murray back.
But yeah,
I mean,
I don't want to say,
I don't want to go as far as saying like they need it to be this year,
but I do think they're kind of like, obviously Nicole Jokic is the reigning MVP.
He's awesome.
But in terms of what this core is right now,
I think like this is,
this is an opportunity where they really need to take full advantage of it.
Cause I think you look at how everything else is going,
the Western Granite, it can change drastically in the next month and a half,
two months, just like it did last year.
Memphis doesn't have Jaron Jackson Jr. for the first, I think,
two or three months of the season.
He might not be back until January.
You have Michael Porter Jr. back.
Jamal Murray's back.
They revamped the roster a little bit.
They have more options on the wing.
Overall, I think this is the best all-around supporting cast
that they've had in Denver.
You have the weirdness going on with Phoenix,
which, granted, I still think Phoenix is going to be a good team,
but you just kind of never know.
We've seen, as Miles can attest to, with the Lakers,
the Lakers' vibes have a tendency to kind of ruin things.
So I'm interested to see how that plays out.
But I think there's a real opportunity for Denver to slide in and be that top team.
And even if they're not necessarily the one seed, this is a big year for them in terms
of title contention.
Yeah.
I feel like the Eastern Conference point about Miami, what if it's just Miami and Boston
again?
Like those teams got, I don't know.
I think people are off of them
because they're bored by them
more than any real
basketball reasons.
I don't know. I could see Boston and Miami just being in the
Eastern Conference Finals again, but we
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Oh, man. Sorry, I'm getting a little choked up
because... This Victor guy.
This Victor guy.
He's...
I mean, we've been talking about him all summer.
That's been, you know know it's the off season
we we haven't had a lot of basketball action so we just the the clips started trickling in
and you'd be like man he looks good and then the next clip i don't know if they're just we were
seeing old clips but like the next clip he looks like you know three years better than he did in the previous clip. And now he had his stateside debut
at an exhibition in Vegas.
And he looked...
Took some pictures with some fans.
Absolutely incredible.
I just want to read this quote, right?
Because this, like LeBron said,
he's like, people talked about unicorns
to describe these like up and coming talents
or whatever.
And he's like, I think this kid is like an alien because it's like, people talked about unicorns to describe these up-and-coming talents or whatever.
And he's like, I think this kid is like an alien because it's like we're seeing things not of our normal expectation.
This is what Benyama was saying about himself.
Quote, I'm going to tell you something that's been going on in my life, like for my whole life since I've been a kid, even before I played basketball.
I've always tried to do something different.
I'm not even talking about sports, whatever, any field.
I'm always trying to be original, something original, something one of one, something that's never been done before.
And this is really how it worked in my life.
I don't know where it comes from.
I think I was born with it.
I've always been trying to be original, unique.
That's the word.
My goal, he said, is to be like something you've never seen.
Accomplished.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right. You've ticked taken that box what else you got yeah
yeah it truly it felt like watching yeah something i've never seen before like
watching him in this exhibition game and like even the real like hoops heads who were you know don't
don't go out over their skis very often on predictions really seem to be like yeah no this
is this is the real deal like this is a lebron level like he looks amazing i don't know uh mark
how frightening is it for you to see someone who looks like uh just like i don't know you could
just max out all your stats on 2k yeah i think uh i mean you guys sit on a ton of it with him
i do not to say that you're being outlandish.
Like I do think like there has to be some reigning in.
Like he is a really special prospect, but like,
when you have like Richard Jefferson saying he's going to be better than LeBron,
that's crazy to me.
Just, I mean, granted I'm biased because I'm from Cleveland area,
but like you got to hold your horses a little bit on that one.
Yeah.
But in terms of the things that he can do, like, I, I mean, he's taking pretty
massive leaps right now in terms of what he's doing, like from what he's doing right now,
compared to what he was doing when I was watching him, you know, play, uh, this past year in the
French league, like his feel for the game has really improved. He's found much better ways to
utilize his frame and just be assertive
and aggressive and that allows for a lot easier buckets um but then the defense like his defense
is groundbreaking i think you saw that happen like scoot henderson had really nice uh plays
against him but i also think you saw like he just totally changes the court dimensions because of
how big he is how mobile he is how long he is um and i think like i
mean that's one of my favorite things about watching him play every time he plays a new team
like it feels like they have to relearn what a basketball court is because right how much he
changes yeah yeah because for watching him play like top tier talent at times when you see some
of these blocks you're like how did you think you were going to get that shot?
And I think that's what we're seeing is in real time players being like,
well, normally I can get this off,
but not understanding how much ground this guy covered.
Like that one step back scoot had against him.
I've never seen someone that wasn't even a step back.
Yeah.
That was like a reverse long jump to be able to create enough space between
him and when Ben yama to get that
shot up but i was like and well if we saw scoot figure it out he's like okay i got i got blocked
once i really need to make sure like this is something else and i think like to your point
that is what's really interesting and yeah i think for sure the idea of like this guy is going to be
bigger than x established player is a little too much i think what is undiable though, is like watching him and the excitement he generates because anyone can see
just like the potential there and how,
again,
how unlike anything it is we've ever seen.
Exactly too.
Cause like,
I think one of the things,
cause I,
I mean,
I do like a ton of draft and scouting stuff in the background.
Like that's more of my basis before getting into covering the NBA.
And I think what's so interesting with him is so often you'll see a player
get talked about like their shooting potential and flashes.
Like you'll see, like for, for example,
this is not meant to slander to do, but like Walker Kessler played for Auburn.
I think he shot like 33 is the season.
He had some moments in high school where he was like a decent shooter and he's
going to play for the jazz as a rookie this coming year.
And like, kind of like the projection for him is like, well,
if he can become a floor spacer, like that's really interesting.
You don't see guys who are seven foot three, who are a taking trail threes,
be taking threes off movement,
see taking wacky pull-ups that are going in.
And that's with like the footwork is phenomenal.
The mechanics are
really good like obviously you know when you're 18 years old you have to work on consistency and
stuff and i think that's going to come more and more with him but where he's at right now with
like how his release point is like i mean we saw that just in the first game what he was able to do
a 7 of 11 from 3 just taking everything aggressively with no hesitation that kind of stuff like that's
the kind of shooting that matters because i think you can see and i don't mean to keep bringing up
the lakers but like you can watch like i mean who's like a good example like um or even if we
just take like moe harkless when he was in with the clippers um like he shot i think he shot like
35 or 36 percent from three this season that they traded in for Marcus Morris.
And yeah, he's spacing the floor, but he's not really good at attacking closeouts.
Defenses aren't giving it to him.
Victor is so good at his size without having any hesitation.
He's capable of taking people off the dribble.
That's insane, man.
There are not guys who have done that before.
So I don't know how to it's like i don't know
how to project that i don't know how to view it i know how to like kind of rationalize some things
in my mind but yeah it's right it's pretty wild just to watch that play out and like i mean granted
that was those are two of the best games he's ever had as a prospect he has them back to back in the
biggest showing possible like whenever i talk to people who are, you know, around his camp or in his camp,
the stuff that you just hear about his personality and how he approaches the game,
like he very much came to those games.
Like I'm here to prove that I'm the number one prospect.
Like he was not just coming there to play the game.
Like he was there because he knew like this is an opportunity to really take the reins
and show who I am.
And like he very clearly heard the talks about him only having four rebounds in the first game when he came out and made sure that
was different in the second game. Like he's, he's such an interesting player. And it's wild that
he's got the physical presence and skill to be like, Oh, okay. Y'all want rebounds? It's like,
okay. The next night, the speed at which he's improving, like you said, he's putting things together from
month to month that I guess that's what you would look for. But it also feels like it's
machine learning. I always use the analogy for LeBron that he is like a basketball computer
that always makes the right pass and right decision on the court. And there's just no
accounting for how much that adds to your team.
And I think when he first started in the league,
people were like,
why would you pass up the shot at the end?
You're supposed to be like Jordan,
you know,
you're supposed to be playing hero ball.
And it's like,
but that having that constantly there throughout,
like he also reminds me of a computer in the sense of like how fast his game is just like picking up things like machine learning based on like what he's seeing and what he's working on.
Right.
It's like every game you feed the machine learning algorithm.
It's like, OK, OK, I've leveled up 10 percent.
Another game, 15 percent now.
It's like, oh, okay, you're doing that.
And it's also overshadowing Scoot,
which there is another player coming up in this draft
who's going to play with Ignite in the G League,
Scoot Henderson,
who would be a number one pick
that people would be salivating over in any other year.
I mean, now he'll just be a number two pick
that everyone's salivating over.
But 6-3 from Marietta, Georgia, passed on offers to play for Auburn in Georgia. year i mean now he'll just be a number two pick that everyone's salivating but is six three from
marietta georgia passed on offers to play for auburn and georgia signed with nba g league and
he looked awesome too yeah he looked really good and looked like you said like he's he's pissed
that he's having to go against somebody who is getting all this attention despite the fact that
he's balling out which is wild because like we were saying when we watch the highlights we're like man scoot just looks like a fantastic basketball
player that you'd be excited to have in the league like okay this kid's got it and then you get
wimby nyama and then it's like it's like that meme of like the like the mother in the pool with the
one child like about to jump in while the other kid is drowning and like everyone's like wimby
like when he's about to jump in meanwhile you guys scoot in drowning and like everyone's like wimpy like when he's about
to jump in meanwhile you guys scoot in the water i'm over here too and yeah like it it is kind of
i do feel a little bit bad for him because i was like man those his his highlights look fantastic
but then i've also never seen someone with the size of wimpy do that and i'm like ah just for
the visuals alone i like wimpy yeah what were your thoughts on Scoot? Scoot was awesome. He was somebody
I really liked watching at G League
with Ignite last year.
Even then, he's clearly
taken a step watching those two games.
His ball handling is somehow even
tighter. He is one of the best
dribblers I've ever seen
in terms of his ability to
There are guys I think
watching Benedict Matherin
is always a really interesting example
for pointing things out and scouting
because like he's super athletic.
You saw like, I mean,
he had tons of crazy dunks at Arizona,
but then you can see, okay,
when he's not put in a straight line
and when he's asked to handle
in more complex situations,
like he really struggles to do it.
He doesn't quite have the handle
to compliment some of the best
downhill bursts that a prospect can come in with but scoot has like everything like he's out there
sprinting without having to even think about dribbling the basketball like he had a play
i'm trying to remember who was guarding him i think it might have been remont waters but
um he literally just like did like an around the world dribble right in front of him it was like
yeah it was insane like behind his back between his legs and like that kind of stuff he just kind
of like glides on the basketball court because he doesn't have to start and stop like he's
he's got some of like the the best functional tools i've seen in a guard prospect um he's like
i think the best way to put it is kind of like John Wall. Like he's very much like John Wall, but even more like strength to his game.
Obviously not as tall, but yeah, he's extremely special in his own right.
Like he's getting better as a shooter.
Like he's just comparing where his shot was at to close the G League season
with now like he's removed some hitchiness out of it
and his energy transfer is a little bit better. So it gets off off quicker more accurately um his overall feel for the game was better it was
funny because like much like vick like he came into this game like that first game he was like
just eschewing like every pass and read he's like no man i'm i'm scoring today like i'm showing that
i can score like this um which again like just really cool to see stuff like that and seeing like very much like Vic, like somebody who is processing the game really quickly.
He sees and reads defenses incredibly well, because as much as we like to point out how good Victor was like coming cross court to block that pull of jumper, like you guys mentioned earlier, he did a ton of stuff to set himself up the rest of that game to actually play pretty well against Victor.
So again, like obviously it's different levels to it, but the stuff that he shows is just like that stuff that you can't teach.
It's unreal.
All right.
So this brings us to the dumb pitch for the NBA.
We pride ourselves on being the dumbest uh podcast that
is partnered with the nba maybe the dumbest thing the nba has ever associated its name with and so
we we have a couple ideas so super producer jabari who's like a real a real hoops head and like
called one out from uh pel's dozen on twitter that was about the luxury tax and basically keeping teams together
by retaining a player like if you draft and retain a player their salary should only count like 70 to
80 against the luxury tax uh and maybe even offset the difference by making a max free agent you sign
as counting 120 against luxury tax like if you want to keep teams together, I reject that as being entirely too smart and well thought out.
Like that's our last pitch for the NBA that we came to came with was that
Zion has warmups that are in the shape of an overall that he gets to tear
off as,
as he comes in on a fan boat,
comes in on a fan boat and just like really leans into the bayou-ness of
Bayou vibes for sure but i
think with wemby we have a good opportunity right because if he potentially is changing the way we
look in basketball and play basketball then maybe we also need to arm the other teams with ways
to defend against wemby right uh one of my ideas and we've we've talked about this before is you should be able to deploy
some kind of obstacle or uh hindrance that he has to wear or something that would affect his game
for at least five to ten minutes of a game whether that is to wear like playing tims or wear like
knee braces that don't allow his knees to bend so he has to be straight legged for like 10 minutes
where you lean into the frenchness
so i think that that's a because he seems like he doesn't really care and he's not like trying
to fit into anything he's just trying to be like unlike anything else like he just smokes four or
five cigarettes a bottle of red wine on the bench like when he's not playing uh shout out nick kroll
wears loafers or those French sneakers
that are some brand I've never heard of.
Right, right. Like a striped shirt,
pencil mustache. Also,
if people are worried about tanking,
which there might be a bit of that
this season. They might be tank fest. Wait, actually,
I'm curious. Because of the
Pacers, where do you think Wemby might
end up? Who's going to do the best job
this season trying to get him great question um I think I I'm probably I know a lot of people have thrown
out Charlotte I don't think that they go for it that is not Steve Clifford's MO I would be shocked
if he came back to coach the team just for them to tank like I think that they have clear warts
and issues but I doubt they're going to be that bad unless that unless
there's some kind of agreement there i just personally doubt it right i would have my money
on utah indiana or spurs um i think indiana is like i think they'll be a competent basketball
team but much like the pistons uh from a couple years ago before they ended up getting caved when
i i think they finished like 21 21 and 52 or something like that,
but they were like the best bad basketball team I've ever seen.
They were in like every game. They rarely got blown out.
That was like Jeremy Grant's first year when he was really good.
I kind of envisioned the Pacers being in that same line.
The Spurs I think are really going to struggle this year.
They just like have nobody who has ever really carried primary
reps before. They have confident basketball
players, but again, I think it's going to be the same line.
And then Utah,
if Utah had to go into the season
right now and they were not allowed to cut
anybody, I think that the team would
actually be kind of fine. A 30-ish win
team. They'd be decent.
But I have a
feeling that they're really going to lean into this
considering how much they've cleaned house already um i imagine mike conley's gonna get
traded i'd imagine they're gonna try and find something for jordan clarkson and this team is
gonna be playing like some funky freaking lineups so right um i i'd say one of those three teams
would be where i'd bank on it happening unless something crazy happens with the lottery.
And Ainge has done a pretty good...
He has had...
Yeah, he likes leaning into it.
He did it with the Celtics and successfully cobbled together
a bunch of really great picks.
And yeah, the Jazz seem like they might be the team that makes the most sense.
And the Spurs did it that one season that they got Duncan.
One dumb pitch I have is that we just get to vote nationally at the midterms
with who gets the first pick and who gets the second pick.
Oh, wow.
And it's between the Spurs and the Jazz.
So it's not like Lakers fans come in and just all say,
we get the number one pick.
Wow, don't need it, man, because we're hanging number 18 up.
Yeah.
So Indiana, Spurs, Jazz,
three-way runoff election,
see who gets the number one pick.
Okay.
Ranked choice voting.
I think it would actually help
voter participation, too.
People would be at the polls.
If the NBA,
because I know they're not playing games
on election day,
that's perfect.
Find a way to work with the federal government to somehow allow voters during these massively important elections to also voice their opinion on this.
And maybe we get people to the polls.
OK, good idea.
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Wow. That did not go well at all. Did not like that idea.
Oof.
They wouldn't even let us get through to the commissioner.
Like, wow.
Okay, do you know we were Miles and Jack
from Miles and Jack on Mad Bustis?
Okay, fine. The owners would you know we were Miles and Jack from Miles and Jack on Mad Blue Steez? Okay, fine.
The owners would come out strapped up if that was presented to them.
So, yeah.
Seriously.
I'd be interested, though.
Yeah, it would be interesting.
Oh, man.
So, I guess it's time.
I guess it's time.
It's about that time.
Here it is.
We're in the fourth quarter.
Mark Schindler, get ready for the rapid fire round
of questioning now i don't know if you know about this but this is the fastest segment in sports
discussion podcasts on earth okay now what happens is we're going to ask you a question
just react give us your just first take react to it straight back no long answers okay please do
not give long answers and do not let us give long answers
either that responsibility is completely on you the guest to keep this segment moving okay
there are no wrong answers there are long answers though and we do not appreciate those
we don't like them long and wrong okay here we go start the clock for the rapid fire round of questions. All right.
You want to go first?
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm just going to go for it this time.
All right, man.
See, man, my therapist is saying to be more confident.
And, you know, express my needs. I have noticed this episode, you've been very assertive.
And I love it for you.
And see, and I said I was expressing my needs.
Like I somehow said that the Lakers could win an 18th championship this season.
See, like I'm just voicing stuff for my own mental health we're gonna cut that out but okay fine
first question mark starting the clock back up now we've seen a lot of great sports documentaries
recently you got the last dance you got the lakers legacy on hulu you got the redeemed team
what is your favorite sports documentary of all time oh man oh so all right i'm not even a
big baseball fan but i will say uh i think it's what is it like seven days in october it's something
along those lines it's about the red sox winning after going down oh three uh and i believe i can't
you know i don't know the leagues well enough but whatever the championship series
is before days in october that's four days yeah yeah that oh wow that is it's a tremendous
documentary this is the first time we've gotten a uh all caps boo producer jabari and deserves
i have so many problems with the last dance i just can't put it there okay oh okay i like that
okay jack what's yours what's
your favorite documentary i mean if we're taking uh the oj documentary the one the oscar out uh
which is you know one of the best movies yeah kind of transcend sports i i did i mean the last
dance was i i was i was a fan of jordan fan of the bulls. I know I'm weird as a kid,
but this was the access that I had dreamed of growing up
as my formative experiences with basketball, with sports,
and just getting to sit there, watch that,
what was probably my favorite experience.
And it was also just the timing of it.
I was in such desperate timing of it was like i was in such
desperate need of nba basketball and they came through in such a great way that's true we were
it was desert thirst out there for some hoops action for me i really liked a king's ransom
which has nothing to do with basketball the gretzky one that one was really really good
uh and then also kind of a i tangentially sports
long shot the one about the guy who was like accused of murder but then his lawyer found
him in the background of kirby enthusiasm and at a dodgers game yeah yeah so that was just
an interesting intersection of dodgers kirby enthusiasm and true crime uh but anyway man
mark what i say this is the rapid fire round of
questions man putting this thing bleed over keep it on the rails mark please uh all right on the
same subject what documentary do you want to see even if it violates the rules of reality and
physics like the one that occurred to me was like bill russell from day one they've got access and
footage and like really breaking down how he was the most winning
player, athlete
of all time maybe. And then
Super Producer Jabari came through with
Wilt, which
you get the footage of the 100 point game
that is the stuff of legends
but nobody really has visibility
into how it happened.
I was saying that one would be dope unless
it is what I secretly suspect,
which is like,
it looks like me playing against my six-year-old,
just like swatting everything
and putting it in,
which I do.
So a lot of dunking on crying children?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Oh, okay.
But yeah, who do you pick, Mark?
Man, yeah, that's tough.
I think I'd have to,
I'll narrow it down to like three.
One on Kawhi,
just because I know absolutely nothing about Kawhi.
Yeah.
That would be cool.
The man behind the laugh.
Yeah.
Something on the Sonics, because just like I grew up, again, like tangentially a Sonics fan.
And that's partially why I dislike parts of the last dance, because they told lies about Gary Payton.
But yeah, something on them and like their history
would be really cool.
Just don't involve George Carl
because I don't like that man.
And then something on
like the 2013-14 Indiana Pacers
because I need to get details on that.
That still breaks my heart a little bit.
But yeah, I think those are my three.
All right.
Those are good picks.
I want to see a Craig Hodges documentary. That would be be cool i want to see craig hodges like up in it like that i think is a
perfect intersection of you know culture and like the league and where we were at and what we were
trying to do in a very i changed to that that's a much better answer well yeah and i would do the
very culturally significant thing i think these were all great answers. Okay.
All right.
Moving on.
Please, Mark, keep me on track.
Mark, if you could introduce a new rule into the NBA,
what change are you making effective immediately?
Well, they got rid of the take foul.
So that already makes me happy.
This can be anything.
It doesn't have to be rooted.
And don't try and make a good idea
you can go get out loud
we've suggested each stadium has their own pattern
of three point lines
like a green monster
bring back the green monster equivalent
bring back four point shot from rock and jock
50 point basket
I think I would do something
in terms of like
if your ownership
this is like turning it on okay, if your ownership,
this is like turning it on its head.
If your ownership doesn't dig into the lottery at least once every five years,
they get fined.
That's something that would make me happy.
Because I'm tired of these owners who own a sports team and then refuse to actually like operate it like a winning franchise.
So, you know what?
If you're not going to do
it we'll find something else he does so uh that's my rule i'd implement relegate them yeah that was
our idea lastly relegate and promotion you know what i mean like you're saying they need to get
into into the lottery like they need to tank every once in a while no no like they have to
they have to go into the luxury tax like if you're going to luxury tax got it got it got it yeah okay all right i got you it's a good idea i kind of like it
jack uh oh yeah sorry i was just mark you gotta keep jack you gotta keep me come on man
yeah jack is like a goldfish man uh all right you've been known for having some pretty wild food takes
on the timeline uh so you gotta give us what's your most polarizing take to date and then what's
the one you like feel the strongest about most polarizing uh was probably when i tweeted uh
about how bad spaghetti is um i don't like spaghetti i'm not a i'm not a spaghetti or pasta person
like in the slightest so all pasta yeah all pasta is like pretty mid to me um okay and i think that
that that did not go over well um i had uh i deleted it fairly quickly but i had a i put out
like a notes app thing on my food tiers for thanksgiving and uh that that did not go well
um okay but the thing that i probably feel strongest about uh peanut butter is like the
greatest thing of all time i can eat butter with with a spoon uh like i yeah that's that's probably
the thing i feel most staunchly about and i couldn't like
agree harder with that one i'm like yeah i love peanut butter you're right yeah i'll pray before
i'm like man pasta okay okay i love pasta so much have you tried uh putting sauce on the pasta i
have i feel like i find that helps in the past like or not like a really good sauce
yeah i would recommend like i mean i i mean i'll i'll eat it i just like i'd so much rather have
anything else than pasta for the most part i also like tweeted out one day that i think lasagna is
pretty terrible um so you're i mean you're coming for just italian food yeah i also one of my other
giant ones is that i think italian food was just kind of overrated but wow um yeah that's that's a cancel we'll take i've i've learned um i love
pizza but okay it's like but you said i mean you should try dan dan noodles i think dan dan noodles
you you might like dan dan noodles uh which is an asian noodle dish that's got peanut butter
that's usually i don't mind asian dishes like i love curry and stuff like that fantastic oh so you're so you're truly like a pasta like italian cuisine
dude like no no no no no yeah now chow mein that's my main i just like it's it's texture man
texture's tough got it yeah got it i also gotta say uh the peanut butter take is very ohio of you
the ohio um what are they the little chocolate covered
peanut balls are those guys yeah people don't know about that i lived in dayton for five years and
uh that oh man they're just little peanut butter chocolate balls they're the greatest things you
can get them at like any gas station in ohio i fully recommend should be illegal but uh very
definitely they're like crack. Mark, we have
to keep this moving, man. I hate to just cut in here,
man, but you know. You keep asking me questions, man.
Like I said, you got to keep
us on track, man. The rules are clear. Alright, let's go ahead.
Come on. Okay, now
the league may have dropped the Comeback Player of the Year
award years ago. Let
us get your top three candidates
because we're reclaiming that award
as a show for the Boosties bounce
back player of 22-23.
I'll say first and foremost, they should have never gotten rid
of it. You heard that right, The League?
Thank you.
This is tough. I'm trying to think who was even
out last year.
So you got your Wall, you got
your AD. Well, because Wall's sad.
It was an injury, so it makes it tough.
Kawhi. Kawhi. Kawhi is definitely top three for that. your ad because wall's sad because it was an injury so it makes it right yeah kawaii i mean
kawaii all right kawaii is definitely top three for that um man maybe ricky rubio but he was he
played for a little bit last year and i don't think he's gonna be in the running for the award
for being honest um which is yeah hoping for it, but no, probably not.
I mean, Zion is... Oh, Zion.
Again, Zion's an easy one.
Hoping for Rui Hachimura.
He played for a while last year.
He was out for like the beginning.
It was kind of weird.
More like,
I just hope he doesn't bounce back this year.
Yeah.
I really can't remember
who else was out.
Like, that makes it tough.
I promise.
I know my stuff,
but like, jeez.
I don't know. I think he was an easy one. This an easy guy like this i guess guys see peanut butter all day yeah that's true i'm just i don't know if this guy knows anything in front of me right now uh all right
first time all-star this season that you think people aren't are sleeping on uh i'll name a
couple ron's wagner from orlando i Orlando. I think he has the jump.
He's good, man.
He's so good.
I do think he's a lot closer to being on the same level as Scottie.
I think he and Scottie Barnes are on the same level.
Wow.
To be honest.
I think that some Toronto fans would disagree with me on that.
That's fine.
That's my opinion.
Other guys who might take the leap?
I think, I don't know if he's quite there yet.
I think if he does take the leap, Ant could be first-time All-Star.
And just give a narrative to you on where people are at with him.
I think that's possible.
Yeah.
Scottie Barnes, I mean, like that is the standard take right now.
I think a lot of people are expecting Scottie Barnes to just be, I mean, he was awesome last year,
but I think he is also a big candidate for the leap.
Yeah.
I think it's possible with him too.
I would not bet on him taking the all-star lead though.
It's just,
that's a hard,
it's hard to make,
you know?
Yeah.
I was thinking about doing it this season,
but I think it's too hard for me.
I would take cater,
cater Mobley over him to, to make also, and that's not to say that they're like better long-term prospects. I think they are, but I think it's too hard for me. I would take Cater Mobley over him to make
All-Star. That's not to say that they're better long-term prospects.
I think they are.
I have
to hedge a little bit because Toronto fans do get up
in arms over their guys, which
I respect, but also I promise
I watch the games. But Mobley
is just so good. And Cade is going to be...
I see it.
Cade's going to be an all-star this year.
The good news is you don't have to hedge anything
with Toronto fans or anything
because nobody takes this podcast seriously
enough to get mad at us usually.
So you're good. You can say very
dumb things on here. But this is the main
question of all of the questions.
Now this is the one that people will
pay attention to.
Mark Schindler, Jack or Miles?
Oh, come on.
I mean, I don't know clearly enough to say yet.
Okay.
I like the shirt that Miles is wearing better today, though,
if we're being honest.
So I do have to side with Miles.
I'm sorry.
Sorry, Jack.
No, that's fine.
You made a decision.
You're just wearing a shirt.
You're right. My's wow one of the great guests we've had jack up your shirt game you heard it straight here
from the lips of mark schindler i just want to i just want to mention that we're both wearing
solid colored shirts no i got a little i got a little drip right here you know okay all right
there it is okay mine's just a white t-shirt.
Jack, don't get hung up on this, man.
Let's just keep moving.
No, I should have known.
It's a bad look for you.
It's a bad look for you.
I take a lot of time getting ready for these recordings because I'm like, all right.
So I'm looking at myself in the mirror.
I'm like, this is who Mark is going to be looking at when we ask him Jack or Miles.
What do I want to do?
Do I want to act like I'm overcompensating and wear a brightly colored shirt shirt or do i just want to go white t-shirt like i stand on my own
and like i said don't scare the guests jack don't scare the guests yeah i think miles pulled off
without overcompensating though uh-huh yeah yeah you know no that's right look jack there's a
certain emptiness that a laker fan has that have to compensate. For just another vibrancy. Energetically.
You've seen the banners.
Up in that arena.
Come on man.
What are we doing here?
Lakers fans are historionic.
They are.
Oh my god.
We'll be alright this year.
It's hard.
You know it's hard out here.
The weight of that
18th one ah who knows 18th exactly like yeah jabari just uh gave us this little update in the
chat uh miles is 13 1 and 0 um wow so yeah i mean no it's. That's a tough scene for our guy. Just look,
look like everything.
History.
It's cyclical,
man.
Next thing you know,
I'm probably going to go.
Oh,
for 13.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally.
That's totally going to happen.
Yeah.
I'm just,
I just,
I think I need to fire my coach and then, you know,
Oh,
and you're going to tank the next episode.
Yeah.
Wait,
no miles is 13.
Oh,
and one, right draw one draw so
that's oh yeah the drop yeah that'd be fair sorry i just wanted to make sure that you know it was
clear i'm oh 13 and 1 that's uh i bet on you i'd bet on you in the next fight because the odds on
that would be wild and i could become a millionaire so i look at it that way you know cool well mark
schindler thank you so much for joining us,
validating my, you know, just who I am.
And also Jack as well.
We really appreciate that.
Where can people follow you and, you know,
find you and hear your work, listen to your work,
read your work and all that?
Yeah, well, first of all,
I appreciate you guys having me on.
This is fun.
You can find me on Twitter at MG underscore Schindler.
That's MG underscore S-C-H-I-N-D-L-E-R,
just like the list.
I write over, I cover the WNBA for WNBA.com.
I write about the NBA and the draft and scouting
pretty much anywhere else,
particularly at Dime Up Rock.
So following me on Twitter
is the easiest way to get there though.
And we also have to get,
shout out to everybody who follows us
at Mad Boosties on Twitter. We got to unveil this week's uh mad boosties tweeter of the week at bainey 84
ben tweeted us we were talking about one binyama he said four things first the dude is straight out
of a creative player yes we know that we've seen it like i said he's maxed out on every stat
two who has the best chance to dunk on the kid early like Kobe did Dwight quick
quick answer Jack who has the best
chance to dunk on the kid early
Jha seems to like take pride in
Jha
Jha
no I feel it I'm gonna go
Ant I'll do Ant
Ant looks kind of strong he's strong too
but he will compliment him on his accent
as he does hey that's
what's that oh that's the we irish uh number three does anyone dunk on him after when benyam was 22
that's a good question is there a window which he can't be dunked on and then he becomes like danos
yeah definitely uh there's this kid coming up named Ron Holland II that dunks on everybody. I think he's not this coming draft class, but the one after, he's going to do it. He's like 6'8". I think it's going to happen, yeah.
And number four, is his ceiling higher than LeBron? Is he ahead of LeBron? I don't know if we can say that because he hasn't done anything yet. So I would say the thing that LeBron had that nobody was accounting for at this age was longevity and
like the just built to play an inordinate amount of basketball and then also like a genius for
conditioning. I will say the other person who had great conditioning is a comp that Wemba Young was
getting a lot, which is Kareem. Just incredible longevity and also 7'4".
So, not impossible that he
would have the longevity, but... Anything is possible!
Anything is possible! Obviously.
Well, thank you so much, Mark, for joining
us, and thank you, the listener, for joining us as
well. Obviously, follow us at MadBoosties on Twitter.
We will see y'all next
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