The Daily Zeitgeist - Jokic The Destroyer with Kelly Dwyer

Episode Date: January 19, 2023

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and we're actually less than three weeks away from the NBA's trade deadline, which is February 9th, and teams are gearing up for both the playoff push and potential lottery positioning and we'll discuss that and more with nba writer and all-around entertainer kelly dwyer on today's episode i'm miles gray and i'm jack o'brien and this is we did it were you doing like the SNL announcer guy vibe? Miles and Jack got mad boosties. Whoa.

And now your special guest, Kelly Dwyer. They never fixed it so that guy wasn't saying the same name right in a row. You know, maybe intro who the guest is right before but i don't know it had a bit of a rhythm to it as it just did then you know either way that guy was on sax getting his check uh yes he was the iconic saxophone player from that band anyway but let's welcome our special guest kelly dwyer kelly what's going on the real kd in the house what's going on i'm just looking forward to some sweet sax lines from Lenny Pickett right now and the rest of the SNL band. I need some sort of

faux gospel grooves to lead us into. Wow! Telling us it's been a great week with the writers and the cast, and don't forget to stay tuned for Showtime at the Apollo. Thank you for the Don Pardo intro. I'm ready to rock it out. I'm sorry, did you like...

He knows all the names. What are we, Studio 8H? What studio are they in? I bet you know this too that would be 14B fellas, I mean the way I get in the studio 60 on the Sunset Strip I guess you want to go the way Rob Morrow goes

when you're pulling up at 30 great pull, I was at a wedding where lenny pickett played in the band and i was like the biggest fan because a friend of mine worked on on snl and i was like how did you get him on here anyway he's iconic i work on snl i paid him to play a gig technically i'm like oh okay i thought it was off the strength of relationship but anyway kelly, welcome to the show. Got to ask you quickly, who are you a fan of? What's your basketball fan history?

Where'd you grow up? Who you come up on? Where are you at now? I'm in Chicago, in Lafayette, Indiana right now, which is halfway between, not halfway, it's closer to Indianapolis, but I'm a Bulls guy. I've been in Chicago until I was in my late 20s. And for better or worse, the most embarrassing franchise of the last 25 years is mine, to call my own.

I bleed red and black and have several thousand games. I think it has something to do with all the zinc I've been taking in. But yeah, I'm a Bulls guy. Yeah, okay, okay. in it but yeah i'd be a lighter version to the luxury tax but yeah i'm a bulls guy yeah okay okay that's a little it's okay that's the right that's the right response we've had back-to-back bulls fans it's just you're like the third bulls fan that we've had in in recent weeks and so no it's fine it's great the uniforms are nice right oh yeah oh yeah iconic Oh, yeah. Iconic. Some of the best in pop music. You are in Indiana, the scene of the crime that we're going to get to in a little bit of the

jaw dunk. I mean, these happen. These jawbreakers, as I've coined them and nobody else ever has, are happening on a pretty frequent basis, but ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Yeah. M-O-R-A-N-t i'm trying to do like that song with ja rule and j-lo when she's about are you ellie and i thought it was a question if he was ellie

rather than spelling are you ellie are you ellie i i thought that was a thought i was like are you ellie i'm like who's ellie is this a blind date i'm getting into the scene. I'm actually Ja Rule, but okay. But yeah, oh, a question. Like with your fandom being, you know, like talking about the game so much, are you able to kind of have a healthy distance? Are you still like kind of caught up in your like child fan mode where you live and die by all the results? Oh, I can sit.

I can sit tight on press row and not make a, not move a muscle and not raise an eyebrow. Even if Gilbert and Renan, this is hitting the game winner and Kirk Heiner's face, not, you know, for me to, to,

to, you know, lose Chicago's home court advantage in the first round of the playoffs. You know, I can, I can handle my own stuff. I mean, I should have been at that game.

I had planned on making a press credential going in for that game. I was all set up to go to that game. Then couple days before i was just like we got a lot of stuff to do around the house i haven't seen the wife in a while gotta take the tree down and i didn't go to the game i'm just very upset i did not have that sight to behold in person of course while we're on the subject i may not have survived so it's better that I did not go to that game because I'm getting up there in age and I don't know how many ticks this thing has left. And seeing it on TV was close enough.

That was plenty. Yeah, it was wonderful. You got to take the whole thing and you got to take the bench reaction in. Yeah, we're going to talk about it all. But should we talk about who's running the table of late? Yeah. Because we got three teams that are kind of separating themselves a little bit.

At West, you got the Nuggets and Grizzlies. The Grizz have won 10 straight, and the Nuggets have won six straight. And then the Celtics won seven straight. Largest point differential in the league at 6.5. Best road record in the league. That's an interesting thing that like things were trending in the direction that like road versus home court advantage wasn't as big a deal and then this season it's just really really reverted back yeah it's been weird

you seen darius garland's road home splits it's's very, it's all very strange. Like now it matters all of a sudden. Yeah. This game against the Hornets, I'm living in fear of Jason Tatum. I always live in fear. Jason Tatum has ruined my life. My team, the 76ers, traded the ability to draft Jason Tatum

for Markel Fultz and gave like additional picks, I believe. I've never felt like the 76ers got the better half of that deal. And so it's always stung a little bit every time he has proven himself to be a generational talent. Yeah, I mean, 51 points,

nine rebounds, five assists. One thing to note, I don't know what they have in the water in Charlotte, but people show up. I mean, Embiid, 53, 12, and three on 20 of 32 shooting this year. Jokic had that 40-game, 27-rebound triple-double over there.

And then Jason Tatum. Good things are happening. Good things are happening. It's almost like Kai Jones plays for the Hornets or something. It's almost like, gee, I wonder what's happening. No, but it's probably some sort of hotel setup, or maybe it's the bus on the way there. It's got to be a hotel setup.

You know, like the HCM fees are like way lower in Charlotte than other places because there's a bank around there. It can't be Kai Jones. Absolutely not. Jason Tatum, by the way, number of 50-point games scored in a Celtics uniform. There are five players who have one game larry bird has four

games and jason tatum who i believe is 19 years old uh he's always so much younger than i expect him to be yeah has five games already where he put up 50 or more it's unnerving yeah there's no sign of them slowing down so no whatever they had that one little skid that like teased some of us but uh yeah no they're that was a lot they got it together so quick everything might fall apart with them and the market smart may not be happening that just it just gave some sort of hope but but no and it's just you know it's you can't like them because they're the south yeah yeah but then it's like yeah then but it's just, you know, it's, you can't like them because they're the South. Yeah. Yeah.

But then it's like, yeah, but it's hard. Like as I watch, I'm like, God, they're so good. Look at this. Your part of me has like a morbid fascination, but yeah, I mean, I won't be wearing a Jersey anytime soon. Yeah. We'll link off to some of the highlights from that Tatum game of 51, nine and five against the Hornets. But if you need more evidence, the Jason Tatum game of 51, 9, and 5 against the Hornets. But if you need more evidence that Jason Tatum is incredible, yeah, we'll link off to it.

But man. He looked like he could not miss, which was, I think, the scary part, which just felt like, it was like, oh, I'm going to will everything to happen. Yeah, they look like small shots. They look like he's so strong now that when he gets up to that, that high point on his release, that doesn't look like a 24 foot shot. It looks like he's just going in for a free throw line pull up. And, and it ain't fair for someone who's I think 16 to 18 years old. Yeah. Yeah. And this is a podcast that we do in partnership with the NBA. And I think that that's a message that we're

trying to send. It's not fair. And we need to do something about this Jason Tatum guy. It's not fair to the rest of the league, to the fans. Nerf some of his stats, man. Do an update. Do a roster update. Yeah, nerf some of those stats, man. Four on five should be thought of. I think it's, you know, especially if teams are on the second half of a back-to-back,

it's just, at some point, you have to keep feelings in order, and Jason Tatum is just clearly unfair. You're allowed to throw things at the ball when he shoots it. I think would be maybe get the bench involved. What about them as

sharpshooters? Again, anything that brings Kai Jones into this, I want it to happen. He has hornet hair and yes, we need more of them on the court even if it's only in a four on five setting right so it feels like we're almost saying that the celtics are a foregone conclusion nearly celtics and brooklyn brooklyn i'm still still intrigued still feeling it okay when they had it going in the playoffs before everybody got hurt like if

they can keep it going for a whole playoffs, I think they're pretty tough to deal with. They still continue to look good, even with KD banged up. But the Celtics look... I would say the Celtics are a clearer pick to come out of their conference than anybody out West. The Grizz and the Nuggets are both

pretty hard to separate from one another. The Grizzlies have the more recent kind of run and playoff experience. The Nuggets had that one bubble run, though, where they looked incredible, got to the Western Conference Finals. So I could see it. That's when Jamal Murray absolutely lost his mind, right? Yeah. That was some good shot making. Yeah.

We're kind of unique here, Kelly Kelly on this podcast because we talk about the importance of shot making and how good shot making is in the NBA these days you could put a friendly wager on Brooklyn beating these Celtics in five you would five close games where Kevin Durant hits 60% of his two point shots

I mean yeah Brooklyn is just as hot as anything I've ever seen go follow the Magic Johnson tweets about it. There's no reason why we should be at all discounting, even without Nick Claxton's ascension, this team that just pulls up for jumpers and does not miss them. Yeah, Magic Johnson, some of my favorite hot takes, you know, a hot take factory, one of the great tweeters.

KD, who you like between the Grizzlies and the Nuggets? Grizzlies are so many different teams at once. A player goes down and they're the best defensive team in the NBA and a player that moves

into the lineup from the best three-point shooting team in the NBA and a player and in the middle of it is a jaw. And sometimes he's not in the middle of it. So I feel like they haven't shown me their greatest yet.

So I should say the Grizzlies, but Denver has full of smart and intelligent role players, expertly put together, and then has the best player in basketball. Sorry, the guy from Denver is the best player in basketball. I'm going to go with the Grizzlies because I don't know what they're going to even be like in May. Right. Yeah, that's true. They're hard to go with the Grizzlies because I don't know what they're going to even be like in May. Right. Yeah, that's true. They're hard to prepare for, right? And they did seem to surprise some people in the playoffs last year because of that,

right? Like jaw went down and they still got a game or two. So let's talk about that guy from Denver. We are, of course, talking about a man formerly known as the Joker, but will now be known as big honey to me. I didn't even know that was a nickname,

but super producer Jabari let me in on that. And that, that works much better. Yeah. That's so good. It reminds me of like watching Greg Maddox pitch at his height when like he wasn't throwing heat, but it was just like,

everything was exactly on the, you know, pinpoint corner. And you're like how come these guys aren't just like rocking this dude and dad glasses out there you know but big honey man i don't know i can just watch him pass the ball all day every time we talk we're like man do you see that pass you see that but like his passing is unbelievable and i know if i think it was i may it may have been the listener, maybe Paul Garaventa, one of y'all,

were reaching out and saying, this is Arvidas Sabonis erasure. Well, yes, I mean, obviously, there's no shade to Arvidas Sabonis, but what we're seeing with Jokic is like, he's building on that. And it's beautiful to watch. The way he's doing it is like,

we are seeing the next level. Yeah, and the league is so much more creative offensively than it used to be because it's more spread out and yeah i don't know it's like it's like comparing a renaissance master and then like one of those dudes who was painting when everything was like you know they would paint babies that looked like middle-aged men you know it's just like they have brown lines like the the dark ages painters where everyone just looks like middle-aged men of various sizes like a sabonis wasn't wasn't working with the same you know level of creativity and movement and spreading of the court yokich is putting up the guernica you know on a basis you know what i mean yeah all right let's take a quick

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that the Suns should enter the race now that they've gone 1-9 in their last 10. It was not me, but somebody raised that idea that the Suns might just want to blow it up and try and make some moves. I see a lot of their fans talking about that right now. Yeah. Um,

but let's talk about performances of the week, man, this guy, Chrysler, LeBaron, James, let me tell you, he is doing some 49,

48 points, nine assists, eight rebounds, no turnovers against Houston. Jabari did point out that, uh, we talked about, I don't know if we talked about on the show,

but there was this locker room conversation a while back where it looked like, you know, Darvin ham trying to get the team fired up and LeBron's like, yeah, we need, let's get greedy boys, blah,

blah, blah. And then Russell Westbrook's like, Hey, let's just try and have a good time, man. Win, lose or draw.

Let's have fun out there. And we did not win at all. Following that conversation until this game against Houston. Obviously, also shout out to Alper and Shingun. What record did he set? Whatever it was, it was him and Shaq. So congratulations. Yeah. It's fantastic.

And for anyone who hasn't looked at some Shingun highlights. So Shingun's been, I think when we were first talking about starting this podcast, Super Producer Jabari, who's like real NBA stat, just knows everything that's going on in the league and like in the people who pay attention to the league and all, you know, he was talking about Shang-Goon. And I finally started watching some clips of this person. So he's the youngest center to ever record a triple-double

and the first Houston Rocket to do so since Hakeem in 1997. When you watch him, first of all all he doesn't like even really read that big he looks like a swing man size i would say he's six five he's definitely bigger than that but i know but that's what i feel like yeah yeah if you you just like scan him you're like yeah that's six five he also is just doing these things in close quarters where I'm going to go to another non-basketball sports reference, but like, it's like watching one of those MMA fighters or like martial artists.

Who's like real good at like the close quarters, like hands. And like, he has his hand over yours and you don't realize the fights over like, Oh, like where they're grappling or something. Yeah. Where they're grappling.

Like he's just like a grappler, man. Like all his footwork is wild. His hand, like just where he has his play, the placement of the ball. Again, it just feels like it shouldn't work as well as it does.

He's got that Chuck Daly hair. Um, and just, you know, he's not, he's not reading as like this person's going to strike fear in your heart, but he's,

he's doing it out there. He gets people out of the way. He's got that Marcus Aldridge Pau Gasol rear end thing where he can just, you don't know how he moves them out of the way, but he just gets the job done. He's tremendous to watch the ball flow throughout that offense

and I'm just happy he's on the court enough to pull that stuff off because I was worried with him coming out of international play. He was just going to foul all the time. He grapples well and he stays on the red pair. He's a grappler. I love him. I don't want to make the same mistake that every other

NBA podcast is and pay all our attention to Shang-Goon and none of it to LeBron James. LeBron over the last seven games, 37 points, 9.7 boards, 8.6 assists, 48 on the back end of a back-to-back. Like that is the back-to-back. Like this reminds me of when everyone's like, well, they just came into the bubble in better shape and like more focused than everyone.

It's like, yeah, that's part of the thing. And also he's older than everyone and he's ready to do it more than anyone like the fact that he is at this age like has the advantage on the back end of a back-to-back is is wild yeah and it's wild too like the Jabari was sharing like you know a tweet that was just just saying the youngest player in NBA history to 1,000 points, LeBron, 2,000 points, LeBron, 3,000 points, LeBron, all the way to 20,000 points. And you see these comments from people that are like, I don't know. I mean, unfair advantage. This kid, he's been doing it since he was 18.

So let's adjust that a little bit. Like as if that is like would negate what he's achieving. It's like, no, he's actually so good that he is able to begin putting the numbers down at that age. Not, oh man, he, he bought his way into the league or something. Miles, that's his privilege being that good at basketball from a very young age. You know, he was kind of, uh, he had an advantage and that's not fair. know he was kind of uh he had an advantage and that's not fair again uh the nba needs to step in and do something uh because this guy's got an advantage over everyone and he's at it for a long

time and it's not fair what's he good as a child oh i feel like i'm giving a speech that like a brad bird character would and like the incredibles but um it was kind of heartwarming and endearing to see Jabari Smith Jr. talking to him. I think it was right off the tip, first play of the game. I think we have the audio from it. Yeah, just coming up being like, you played with my daddy.

If you listen closely, I'm like, hey man, why are you trying to make me feel old? Hey, you played against my dad. First, your first NBA game ever. Really? Sacramento.

You feel old, don't you? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And then LeBron dunked on him. Moments later. Right before the half. LeBron is bringing it up the court the court and look credit to this young man because he really he's like you know what i'm gonna show him how dedicated i am on defense only for lebron

james to be like you know i've been doing this since you were literally born young man yeah now get out my way that's like a second or third really bad look he's checking he's like deny deny deny he's just two of ten now oh right down central yeah barry barry smith looking for some help yeah we better call your daddy he might give you that help we do have to commend as lebron was making his way to the rim you saw usman garuba maybe challenge maybe challenge and then at the last minute he decided you know what i don't need to be on a poster or even near a highlight but i do want to give it up to him because he thought for a second right here he decided to gather jump and then he actually was like nope nope nope we got to get out of the circle you know because otherwise that's a charge or that's

not a charge. No, this is so super producer Javari was saying he made a good business decision. Yeah, I think I think we need to find the right player in the NBA to name that. That should be their nickname. Like street clothes, like business decision is the player who just always is like smart enough to get out of the way. Yeah. Like not appear on posters. He's like the enough to get out of the way. Yeah. Like not appear on posters.

He's like the Forrest Gump of dunk posters. He's in all the posters. He's not getting dunked on because he decided to get out of the way. He's just running the other way. But only a part of him. Not all of him. Just his shoulders and above.

Exactly. I mean, should we talk about somebody who made a poor business decision? I mean... To juxtapose that? Yeah. Probably should. Oh, John Morant. should we talk about somebody who made a poor business decision? I mean, yeah, probably should. Oh, John Moran.

I mean, we might as well get to this dunk. Oh boy. Should we just watch it once to remember what we saw? Yes. Let's let's do it. Moran against McConnell. Pick and roll.

Moran. Oh, okay. Now we need multiple angles. The most cocked back a ball has ever been oh look at the bench the bench it turned into a single-celled organism yeah the bench reaction is so wonderful yeah because you got like somebody holding everybody back is it bane who's holding everybody back i think so i love the holding everyone back like something tragic or horrible has happened yeah just like you're leaning on the other people for support please don't hurt

yourself don't hurt you don't don't get don't jump into the fray yeah the firefighters do their job but yeah yeah it's like it's like the sean ten scene in mystic river yeah exactly but yeah i like i like how even john murray tweeted afterwards he said he quote tweeted the video said jump with me if you want to go viral. Which again, I think that's making the point. Mr. Jalen Smith, maybe that wasn't the best business decision you could have made. But look, hey, not all of us find ourselves. That was Jalen Smith? Yeah. Also known for becoming a single cell organism on defense sometimes.

It gets them into some trouble with the coach. Yeah. I'm going to say i was not big business decision in my in my career i played against uh dan ged zurich who you know miles from ucla he went on to play ucla i was you know i was the two on my team but i also was like you know the defender and i was like nah i got him i got him coach and i got dunked on like i thought that was getting me points like i got dunked on so many times repeatedly embarrassingly it was like rocky you know how he's just like like he's eating punches like it's

his job like he's like the like the judges on the side are like, man, he took a three jab. There's some honor in it. All right. Yeah. This round's going to Balboa. Yeah. That's a McDonald's game MVP dunking on you. That is, you know, that's some stuff.

That's Jordan, Jonathan Bender, LeBron James, and Dan Gazzari. The greatest. I remember in eighth grade, DJ Strawberry almost dunked on us in our basketball game. Yeah, that was Darryl. Darryl Strawberries.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was weird. His school had a carpet gym. Did you guys ever play in gyms like that? Had a what? Like carpeted floor, like a carpeted gym. I had new basketball shoes. I was ready to play on parquet.

And I was like, I'm sorry. It's carpet in here sorry it's carpet in here it's carpet in here what is going on i don't know what i don't know what was going on in california like in the 90s but there were some spots that had like it was like on the court the court was carp it was like very dense carpet that's that's not okay yeah no like to the point when you came in you're like, am I hearing a basketball game being played through a styrofoam cup? Because when the ball hit the floor, it was like, boom, boom, boom.

It wasn't that snap of it hitting the wood. Yeah, I don't think any of those games or points should have counted. Thank you. Vacate those games, please. Thank you. The NCAA steps in and is like, nobody who played in any of these games can go to a NCAA school.

It's, it's illegal. They play on carpet. For any form of academic pursuit, you are not allowed to. Just, I'm trying to gauge, like come up with the thinking that arrives at that.

Because like the worst thing to fall on and have rub against your body when you're like running at full speed is carpet. And they were like, you know what would be good for people playing a contact sport where you fall down a lot. Especially when Dan Gazzarek is dunking all over you. Carpet. Let's go with that.

Yeah, I don't know. Refriction. It's weird. It was just gym floor carpeting because it was one of those things that had all their lines on it like like a regular i don't know it must have been discount or something anyway do we want to talk about our teams going against one another uh jack that almost ruined us i mean it was it was a good game i mean it's just it was the look the hard bit was that clear foul uh on russell westbrook by joelle and bead uh but then the league's like

according to our analysis that's not a foul and like lakers fans like that's two games in a row we're dying over here yeah uh but you know what it all melted away because like i said joelle and bead is a gunner so you know he also supports the right football club. So I appreciate it. 35, 11 from Joel LeBron continuing to look incredible, reach 38 K, not a great closeout for the Lakers. It wasn't great. It wasn't great, but look,

it is what it is. So this is why, like I'm, I'm doing that Homer Simpson Bush gift, or I'm wearing my Lakers uniform as I go back. I'm out with a John Moran jersey on. Yeah. All right.

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the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And we're back. And guess what, y'allall as i smashed my microphone about the studio it's time to close this episode out with the rapid fire round oh i was gonna guess that i should have said it i just well i know but i told you you don't get points because you knew it was gonna happen we went oh right okay anyway let's get to the point, though. This is the most fast-paced, rapid questioning segment ever in sports podcasting history. Kelly, we're going to ask you questions. You answer.

Don't think. Don't overanalyze. Don't aggrandize. Don't underanalyze. Don't analyze at all. Yeah. Yeah. Just analyze this.

The second we ask a question. Our favorite movie. You answer right back, baby. Actually, mine is Analyze That. Wasn't the sequel Analyze That? Yeah, exactly. All right, whatever. We can't get sidetracked.

Jack, we got to keep up. We got to stay focused here. So we're going to ask you a question. We're going to start the clock, and then you just answer. Kelly, are you ready? I am the readiest. Okay, here we go, because this is fast. So prepare yourself start the

clock so mean so i'm sorry brian i i just want you to know super producer brian i'm holding space for you and you can start the clock whenever you wish brian jack can't save you he can't save you you better start that clock start the clock it's true i'm terrified brian i'm not gonna save you i'm not gonna stand up for anyone all right jack we gotta keep this moving let's see who's gonna go first you or me rock paper scissor all righty go rock paper scissors shoot oh rock paper scissors shoot oh i got you again chris rock over here okay all right i'm gonna do it again with my first question. Here we go. Kelly, is Jalen Rose's hairline too good to be true?

No, it's true. He's from Michigan. Okay. So we like to hear. We can't fathom it. It's just so hard to process. Great Lakes hair. It's all that fresh air.

Is that a thing? Wait, hold on. It's 100%. Yeah. Oh, you go to the detroit canada border oh my gosh it's just like looking at a sea of tom sellers oh i was not born in this cursed place yes the midwest is where it's at baby i gotta tell you no love jaylen love the whole whole look he's jaylen rose has never looked uncool yeah Yeah, I know, but that's true. And he has no reason to avoid baldness

because he looks great bald. He became famous bald. He can't have it always, is what we're saying, Kelly. He can't have it always. It's infuriating. But if anyone's earned it. Yeah, that's true. Again.

All right, let's keep it moving, Kelly. Enough of that. I mean, he blocked me on Twitter for making a pizza joke or something like that out of one day. So, you know, I shouldn't be on his side. But, no, come on. He's a tremendous broadcaster and a wonderful player. Yeah, and that hair. I feel like I'm looking at, like, images from the James Webb telescope.

Wait, does he have, like, some spicy pizza takes? Yeah, what happened? Are we getting any techno signatures? No, I just thought i made a joke about his draft analysis that uh had him comparing different types of pizzas to one another and uh apparently it's too popular for his taste i thought it was eg rated and very funny but uh you know these people are under a lot of stress on draft yeah 100 percent uh and kelly look and while i do love that personal anecdote we really do have to keep things moving

which is why I'm going to ask you this next question contender versus pretender are you ready and this is for the title as currently constituted and the title is

the NBA title the National Basketball Association Championship yes as currently constituted here we go Nuggets oh absolute contender

okay the Nolans Pelicans uh pretender wow wow go on Oh, absolute contender. Okay. The New Orleans Pelicans? Pretender. Wow. Wow. Go on.

I have to see. I respect their defensive intensity. I think the guys like Dyson and Trey and Herb can grow between now and then, and Zion can put any team over the top, and I need to see a little more playmaking from CJ McConnell for me to totally trust. Okay. Okay. You know what he's good at, though?

Shot making. Shot making. Yeah. Yeah. That's it totally trustable. Okay. Okay. You know what he's good at, though? Shot making. Shot making. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I trust Denver. You know, that game winner that Jokic unfurled the other night? That's just king shot making. That took longer than some baseball games. And also, a wise man by the name of Alice Cooper taught me how to pronounce this, but

the Bucks of Miliwake. Absolute contender. Absolute contender. wise man by the name of Alice Cooper taught me how to pronounce this, but the bucks of Millie walk. Hey, absolute contentor, absolute contentor. Not because of the, the, what have the base players say? The three socialist mayors that they've elected. No,

they're, they're a champion at the bit because they feel like they were wronged by a wet spot in the United center floor. And for this, I cannot blame them. They are, they are a, a frightening basketball team in all regards.

And Brooke Lopez is having an outsized defensive season that I wish we'll get more and more recognition. Alright, you have the chance to win $10,000 by making a layup with each hand, $25,000 to make 5 of 5 free throws, or $100,000 to make at least

4 of 5 from deep. You are shooting at the Spurs game that broke the record for attendance and the crowd is not on your side um they know you're not from texas uh they they are hostile which challenge are you taking i'm gonna have to take the layups i'm sorry it goes to the easy money yeah i'm not a shooter i'm not here to. I'm here to set screens and defend and rebound. Okay. And it's not my fault that all my teammates left me on the court here to make 10 grand. But that's what I'm going to do.

And listen, Texans don't get angry. The worst they do is they call you boss and they're still really friendly to you. So I can't, you know, I can't really imagine all those Texans, 62,000 or whatever it was. But no, come on. I'm great at the bobb Lanier left-hand layup. So I can't, you can't trust my stroke. Am I allowed to bank them in? Yeah, baby.

You can do whatever you want. As long as it goes in. I'm going to hit four or five. Oh, and it is, it is one of those backyard basketball hoops where you can just like drill it against the, just throw it as hard as you can and it'll drop in.

Straight up top. Straight up top. Straight up top. Just straight away. Yeah, because it absorbs all the energy because all the screws are loose. And then we're in the sand. It's like, boom. And you're like, how?

It just dropped. You're like, yeah, you just got to hit the square, man. Yeah, I got to say, Gadzarek didn't want to see me on that basketball on my home court. Then we would have seen it because he would have broken the rim after the first dunk

and then we would have been done. You like NBA Jam? I love it. Okay. Unless you're playing Charlotte, then I get really upset. It seems like to me they were a little overrated on that game. It was, you know, high powered, high powered. You usually were like, you can't have Zoe and LJ.

It was just like, you got to pay your dues, you know? To me, they were just, you know, too young. But, you know, I was an old 13-year-old. Okay old okay well then how about this who is your ultimate nba jam duo and don't say mj and pip come on it's it's it's the what was the arcade that only had bj and horace was that a thing or my i think i remember that yeah yeah i love that but that's just modern nba right there that's corner threes and stretch courts. So, you know, if you're looking to slam a jam and get, you know, on fire and in

fuego and all those 90s things, fine. But if you're looking to make some points for possession, trying to look your offensive efficiency through the roof, you're going to go with horse, you're going to go with BJ, you're going to do a sensible NBA jam game. That's my approach. You guys want to slam a jam, go ahead. Yeah. And I do think it was

a statistical advantage to get on fire personally, but I don't know. Call me crazy. You can put together an all-time four-man dunk contest. Let's get your list. Vince Carter, Vince Carter, Vince Carter. Okay. Freddie

Jones, Desmond Mason, BJ Armstrong Armstrong Horace Graham it would probably be Chris Carr and why deep maybe Mike Finley because I'd like to see those guys get another dunked on test chance because you go on YouTube you know Mike Finley did a cartwheel Chris Carr was way better than

he performed Fred Jones won it but he's still better than that and doesn't make it just fun to watch jump so i'm gonna go with those four unheralded types love that love the cartwheel and here's my question for you you can go back in time and watch any single nba game from throughout history live in person which game are you choosing to be at i would go go game two of the 1996 Eastern Conference Finals where I found the Chicago Bulls came back from an 18-point deficit at halftime to overtake them. I feel like that is not to put any dispersions on Doc Rivers

and Bob Neal's call for TBS, which was wonderful. But, you know, that would seem to be like a fun Tuesday night in the burgeoning Chicago spring. So probably that one. The Wilt one is always enticing. I don't want to see a lot of free throws. No one wants to see that. Okay, great. He hit 28 free throws. Get out of here.

I want to see Dennis Scott miss some threes. And never come back from that. Alright, and finally, and I want to make it clear to everyone, I never come back from that. All right. And finally, and I want to make it clear to everyone, I'm not weeping openly at this point. So anybody who said that I put pressure on the guests by weeping

openly, I'm hiding the fact that I am weeping. The question is Jack or Miles. It's going to be Jack because of the tears, the way they blend into his cheekbones it's just uh glistening yeah cool run here i'm on a freaking run here sorry i don't know if the viewers can kind of wait doesn't it have to be consecutive stopped crying it's actually gotten worse

since i we switched mics five times this is joy tears are missing it up. This is joy. He's biting his fist. This is okay. I don't know if they, they end every show like this, but, uh, it's quite the spectacle, but,

uh, yeah, Jack, it's definitely Jack. Cool, man. All right, Kelly.

Well, thanks so much for stopping by miles and Jack. I'm at boosties, man. Oh my God. Great having you. Where do you see your face? This is so pathetic i look i'm fine and this is courage

water coming out my eyes right now because i'm courageous next time cut an onion next time wow you're doing those like arm stretches like you just came out of a massage like wow i feel someone's looser right now that's just the sun shining. I didn't even notice the sun was shining today. Wow. Southern California really is beautiful. The swallows have returned from their winter. What the fuck? All right.

Kelly, thanks so much for real for joining us. Where can people find you and follow you and support you and all that good stuff? Just Google Kelly Dwyer, NBA. I got a sub stack. We talk about NBA games all the time. Talk about old you and all that good stuff. Yeah. Just Google Kelly Dwyer, NBA. I got a sub stack. We talk about NBA games all the time. Talk about old stuff, have a good time. And it's a,

it's a laugh and it's cheap. It's five bucks. And yeah, go subscribe. And yeah, that's, that's, that's a boot.

It. If you haven't beyond that, this was, this was a tremendous, and I'm glad you've brought a ray of sunshine into, into, into Jack's house. Not only that,

I'm about to go to Lake Superior and dunk my head in. If you knew, if you knew, that's the cure. That's what all Rogaine is, is Lake Superior water. Just go to the Great Lakes. Cleanse yourselves in the water of Lake Superior. Thank you all for listening. Be sure to follow us on Twitter at MadBoosties, M-A-D-B-O-O-S-T-I-E-S.

And our tweets of the week, man, Molly Morrison, as we're saying, off the top rope on the night. Yeah, the Spurs set an all-time attendance record uh at the alamo dome molly tweeted yeah like quote tweeted the video with all 68 323 fans there and said yeah everybody showed up with the spurs oh come on golly that's not fair and also it's a testament to what great fans the spurs have that they're showing up in record numbers to see this team. Yes.

That's called dedication. Dedication. That's love. Spurs game on a Friday night down there. As a past attendee, I highly recommend it. It is such a convivial, fun atmosphere, whether they're Tim Duncan-ing it up or in the middle of the pack. I highly recommend it.

There you go. There it is. And we also asked some of our listeners for the best in-game dunkers of all time and people came back with at nest egg pub tweeted number five kobe four vince three sean kemp two michael as in jordan and one wilkins as in dominique uh high key hemp put number five mike jowd uh number four braun three the rain Kemp. Two, Vince. And then one, Jameel. What? Okay. Interesting.

And then Dad, Sham Dad. We love that one. Just a good name, right? Love Dad, Sham Dad. Just as Sean Kemp says, hi. Yeah, we're going to take that. Many people were, I think, it was pretty consistent with like Vince, MJ, Neat, Sean Kemp, kind of those. But thank you, everybody who wrote in.

We'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. I'm Carrie Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history.

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