The Daily Zeitgeist - Kid Rock > John Lennon, QANON Donnie Brasco 1.27.22

Episode Date: January 27, 2022

In episode 1072, Jack and Miles are joined by journalist Amanda Moore to discuss Kid Rock has PWNED the left, Jan 6er had his GoT fandom used against him in court…, Amanda's Experience Covering the Far Right as an Undercover Journalist and more!Listen: Boys With Toys by Gap Mangione Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Oh, boy. It's Miles Gray straight from the San Fernando Valley. Just pulled up off Lancashire. I'm so sweaty because he's been exercising for the first time in months. It's a day. Oh, no. Oh, and thank you so much for tuning in.

Thank you so much. Thanks, Mom. All right. All right. You really been exercising those demons? Oh, yeah, man. There's so many demons. I fight daily in the streets.

Mm-hmm. All right. Well, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very special guest. It's a journalist who went undercover in the far right for a year, attending QAnon events and CPAC, mingling with straight up Nazis, even spending time with Proud Boys just before the January 6th insurrection. Please welcome the talented, the brave, Amanda Moore! Amanda!

Welcome! I'm so excited to be here. Good to have you. How are you? What's good? What's new? I mean, I don't know to be here. Good to have you. How are you? What's good? What's new? I mean, I don't know what's new. This is the first time we're meeting you, so I say that. Oh, you know, just normal stuff. Finally, just being a normal person, not having to be a secret Nazi on the side.

It's pretty, pretty cool. It's new to me. It's new to me. Right, right, right. Oh, yeah. I'm glad you're glad you're off the secret Nazi duty for the moment. Me, too. Yeah. Yeah.

Actually, I was going to be like, where are you located? Like we normally ask our guests, but I don't even want to. Oh, no. Presume to. I'm in D.C. It's fine. That's right. OK.

Everybody knows that is known. OK. That part, I think everybody knows that. Is known. Okay. Oh, they all know now. Yeah. It's all over Instagram. Oh, God. Was that like sort of a moment where like in the, like a rom-com where they're like,

but I loved you. You were against me this whole time. Yeah. That was the first question we all had as rom-com fans is what were there any sparks my nightmare is that somebody makes a movie about my life and like calls it the last fascist and like my character falls in love with a nazi and so you guys are breathing this into existence oh no i feel like it started as a game and you're like i don't i know but i love him something about nick fuentes i mean that is the that could be that is definitely a possible future

when once like the right becomes more and more normalized where it's yeah that that actually i think is in play where the studios are like yeah, McKinsey gives the Hollywood Studios a report. It's like, you're leaving a lot of money on the table by not talking about this stuff. Once this Kid Rock song really takes off, they're going to be like, there are fans out there. There is unrecognized revenue. And that is what matters. Are you actively, are we allowed to speak to any work that you're actively doing? Your screen name?

Oh, yeah, that's fine. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you came on with a different name than the one we were told, confusing us. It doesn't take much, but we were like, we were told we were going to meet Amanda. Is Amanda in the room? Is this that? Okay. So you're still working your spy craft out here in the digital realms.

So that's cool to see. Yeah. Did you guys have the kind of personality that would lend itself to doing things like this? To be like, you know, want to entrench yourself in a world that you didn't like? Or just to be like, I can kind of to entrench yourself in a world that you didn't like, or just to be like, um, I can kind of be a chameleon. I can get through, I can, I can walk through doors and convince people that I'm into the nonsense that they're talking about. Um, well, I was raised evangelical and then my parents are both Trump supporters. So it's, uh, it's not much of a leap. I was a libertarian for many years until actually until

Michael Brown was murdered. And so a lot of people I knew from the libertarian world, like kind of. There's there's a lot of crossover. You know, right. Yeah, exactly. Right. So, yeah. You know. And then do you like pranks?

You like just pulling the rug out from under people? Like, come on. Big break there. Come on. I wish that I could have been there when everybody realized, like, what happened. I would pay any amount of money, anything, to, like, be able to have a recording of that conversation. I mean, Candid Camera was a failed show or, like, a middling show for a number of years until they realized that people wanted to see the moment like they were editing out the part where the prank was revealed and it became a hit once they had the added the moment where the person came out was like there's a camera there there's a camera there oh and they're like what oh my god i stabbed the hot dog on a stick guy though what a goof all right amanda we are going to get to know

you a little bit better in a moment first we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about we're going to talk about how kid rock has officially owned the left the the right is both getting very funny and the left is terrified but they're also getting really good at rap. Yeah. And the left is terrified. Got like the amount of just like really memorable hooks. It's like early 50 Cent. You're like, this hook gets an earworm. Yeah, yeah. So we're going to talk about that.

We're going to check in with another Jan Sixer that just didn't have a good day in court. Like, yeah, just, you know, the system wants to go easy on these folks, but they make it so hard. So we're going to talk about that. And we'll just be getting Amanda's firsthand account of what these people are actually like. But before we get to that, what is something, Amanda, from your search history that's revealing about who you are or what you're up to when does the new keeping up with the kardashian show come on there it is i'm desperate for it i need it they they said that we would have a countdown in the new year you know it's almost february we don't have a countdown to the new show i need i need it i need the show yeah is that a is a trash reality how you

offset the sordid reality that you uh interact with on the daily basis oh yeah i don't watch like any television or movies or anything except trash reality tv yeah i have a very similar uh media diet i mean i'll watch a lot of stuff but sometimes i gotta bring it back to home base with some trash reality to i don't know what it is just some uh light schadenfreude maybe yeah yeah you know and really real life can be awful but their lives if they're awful it's you know right right their own doing yeah i have watched early seasons of Keeping Up with the Kardashians. I haven't watched in years. What is like the latest? What was the last we checked in with the Kardashians? What was happening? Were Kim and Kanye still together? Kim and Ye, apologies. work their best to not talk about Kanye. Then they kind of had to because people, you know,

like are desperate to hear about it. And then all of a sudden, you know, they said all this tone deaf stuff during COVID, going on vacations and all that. And so the show, you know, got pulled. Yeah. Like, oh, my birthday party in Mexico or wherever they went. Right.

Yeah. So it was kind of like, I thought it was unexpected. I didn't think they were going to pull the rug out from under them. But I think that the divorce is what's holding up the new show. That's my conspiracy theory. In terms of like, they just need to see how that's going to play out. Or would Astroworld probably factor into that too? I think so. Yeah.

Yeah. They got a full plate over there, don't they? They got so much going on. Yeah. Wait, is Travis They got a full plate over there, don't they? They got so much going on. Yeah. Wait, is Travis, Travis Scott a like character on the show? Like, does he factor in? I would say like begrudgingly. Right.

Begrudgingly, you know, her boyfriend. Yeah. Yeah. I wish the part of me like could almost watch it. But other times I'm just like, hey, the Kardashians, sometimes there's it's like like the MCU where there's so much stuff has happened. I'm like, I don't even know what what's going on with them right now. I can't keep up with them. Yeah. And then divorces, I think, tend to be pretty pretty legally intricate affairs. So I'm

sure there's a lot of legal stuff that they're not supposed to say, but not saying it would be narratively kind of questionable. So yeah, that sounds tricky. So they just stopped it after that island birthday party? They were just like,

uh, we'll be back. It went on a little longer than that but yeah it wasn't really like i mean i guess it can't really be a conclusion like right they're going to be like rich forever i mean there's not like there's like a fall of capitalism ending like so right right yeah can't wait to see what happens with this pandemic storyline right right what is something you think is overrated? Room Raider. The Twitter account, Room Raider, who I got into a beef with on Twitter a couple weeks ago.

And I'm still thinking about, yeah. What's Room Raider? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. You're so lucky. You are so lucky you were so lucky it is a twitter account that is dedicated to criticizing or rating people's backgrounds when they go on uh like cnn or msnbc or whatever oh shit okay so people have been really invested in this since the start of covid and it's like

a weird cult and i made fun of it And all of their weird fans came after me. So, oh, and they're writing a book. They're making a book about their time reading rooms. Okay, so elaborate, because I'm still trying to connect the dots here. So I'm just like going to the thread. And Tom Nichols, the Atlantic contributing writer, Tom Nichols, who we're all familiar with, is on MSNBC and has, you know, his own carefully constructed Misen scene in the background that includes a framed chessboard.

That's just a chessboard. Our own worst. I like some books and stuff. It's like i get it that's a great concept for an account because you see what these people want to project about themselves and it's it appears to be a lot would be what they want to project about themselves because there is some busy ass backgrounds so i would be okay with it if it was only rich people but if you are like a person who gets to go on the news because you're a researcher or because you're right it's something they do it to you and it's like well fuck you you know like um let's make fun of the

rich people who can afford fancy like shit in the background and maybe not make fun of like the grad student who whose paper you're citing you know what i mean like yeah what's the account exactly i need is i'm what are you looking at i'm so so confused still. They're just basically fucking criticizing what the background of people's shit looks like. At my Skype room? Is that what? Is that? Yeah. Room Raider, not Raider.

Oh. I knew that's where your MTV ass head was going to go. I know, bro. I was like, Room Raiders is back? And then I'm like, and they're just criticizing people who are appearing on the news? Okay. Rater. Rated R.

Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay. Yeah, that is, it is kind of like, is this all you've got? Right. They get a book. They have a book deal.

They offered to send me a copy of their book when I made fun of them well damn what oh have you been room rated no oh i have not but now i know if i if it happens to me they're gonna give me a zero out of ten right no matter where i am yeah yeah exactly the bias is already there and that's the thing you can never get it can never get a fair rating with these people right it's exactly my problem yeah yeah i mean yeah they got they got a lot going on but and they they do give real ratings they're like room all right i'll just give a sample tweet room raider rater update good bookcase setup flag chessboard one copy of his book he didn't make our book but carla sure did 10 out of 10 yeah it just seems like kind of the in the right hands this could be very cool and in these hands it just feels like one cornell grad making fun of another cornell grad type thing yeah you know

just like 400 000 followers though yeah Yeah. No, killing it. Good, good idea. Bad execution. Four out of 10 room raider. That's what I give you. All right. What is something you think is underrated? Having your fans on your podcast.

More podcasts should be doing it. You guys have been doing it. I'm really into it. I feel like it's a banner week for that. And more people should adopt this policy. I like really into it. I feel like it's a banner week for that and more people should adopt this policy. I like that. It's hard to even say I think you're

referencing to the great appearance of Big Willie for the Yamaguchi main. Yeah, definitely. That's like it's even hard to call Willie a fan. He's a contributor. It's like he's more like a satellite Wu-Tang member. You know what I mean? Like Capadonna isn a satellite Wu-Tang member. You know what I mean? Like Capadonna isn't in Wu-Tang, but he can rock the W.

Yeah, that's not quite fair to Willie because... I was including myself. I wasn't just saying him. It's me too. It's like that's why I'm saying it's a bad week for that with you guys. I don't presume that you're a fan of ours. Oh, no. When I hit it.

Oh, no. Because after. How did we interact? Because I read your article. Did I retweet it or something? Because then we started DMing. You followed me. Oh, I followed you.

That's right. I read your article. And I was like, you know what? This is a good follow. And then you DM me. And you're like, yo, I fuck with the zeitgeist. And I was like like what the fuck okay great that makes it so much easier come on down okay yeah always nice to meet a fan first

of all is what i like to say to everybody don't make it weird all right just don't make it weird yeah uh that's very cool it would be like if the w Wu-Tang satellite members were actually doing more interesting shit than the RZA and Method Man. You know, like it's a, I don't know. But anyways. The Wu-Tang structure is collapsing rapidly. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I think that is like, that was awesome having Willie on. It's great having you on and our fans do interesting shit that we are interested in so yeah we're everyone's a fan of everyone you know fan is such an interesting term these days we're all admirers we're all mutual admirers that's how i like to put

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Yeah. Just what more can you say than that? I mean, yeah, this guy, he dropped a new fucking track called We The People. OK. we the people okay and it's just a tour de force of all kinds of sick ass phrases and hot takes in the form of a song and i guess i'll just play well i'm not gonna play this whole fuck it's four minutes and there's no way we'd ever do that uh but let's just go through some highlights i'm just gonna play some selections uh this first part is kind of like in the opening of the song and it's just it's just letting you know kind of like uh the way he sees the world mind you this is the

first this is the first lyric that he says when the pandemic take i'm thinking uh take your pill what's your pill though that was is it because vaccine shot didn't rhyme with mentally ill yeah i think that might be it you know right yeah okay but that's definitely. The the rise of mental illness in the country definitely started with the pandemic and people wearing masks. So and, you know, he's saying stuff. He's taking shots at Fauci, Joe Biden. But he does, again, want to let you know, he's like, I may masquerade as a racist, but I'm certainly not. Otherwise, why would I say this in my song that's followed usually in conversation by all lives matter yeah no shit dude all lives matter yeah oh my god fuck you what the okay so that's a very like a piece of shit like black lives matter of course motherfucker and who's this piece of shit is this a black person telling him black lives matter i think so okay coming at this

person you piece of shit of course Of course it matters, motherfucker. Like everyone else's. Like blue lives, man. You know what I mean? So let's get that. Yeah. I just like, it's interesting to think about him sitting down to his red, white, and blue moleskin and writing these.

He's got a moleskin? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. For sure. He's an artist. Yeah, right. And he's like a wealthy person too like right let's be real he's masquerading as like some like poor guy he has money so yeah he probably would have a moleskine yeah and just writing these phrases that are i don't think they're the sorts of things that have been written down before because they're just like things that people shout

when they get drunk and are angry about nothing. Okay, well, I want you to hear the chorus a little bit and then he has some fuck yous to throw out too. CNN, fuck TMZ And you social media trolls, y'all Can suck on these, these nuts All right. There's another part where I just, they,

he even got let's go Brandon in the song. Yeah. So it's just, it's really got it all. And then I just do want to, I guess this is the interesting part, even though he's pushing back against the liberals and the rest of America and the mainstream media, he does have a message, which isn't just all just, fuck you, motherfucker, and suck my balls, or I'm not taking your pill. I do just want to point out how down to earth it is of him to be mad at TMZ.

I just want to point out how down to earth it is of him to be mad at TMZ. Yes. We've all been misquoted by TMZ or, you know, we're leaving dinner at a fancy restaurant and TMZ just suddenly they're there asking you questions. And it's just like Americans are tired of this shit. We the people are tired of TMZ, you know, asking us friendly questions. TMZ, you know, asking us friendly questions. Every time I get expensive gas that Joe Biden has made $8 a gallon, you know, he's there. I'm in my pajamas.

Right. Every time. Just trying to live my life. And then I also just want to, like, the craft of leaving us hanging when he said suck on these, because you don't know what he's talking about. And then, but then he like slowly reveals nuts these nuts exactly but again even though he's saying this he's saying oh yeah he

said even though you want to hold these i do want to heal the country which is an interesting turn because right after that, he sings this. Okay. A little cultish, but yeah. Yeah, it's very cultish. I mean, the big kind of discouraging revelation from this song is that he, like Trump, is not going to let a single like failed political campaign dissuade him from running from continuing to pursue politics it would seem that's how i'm running for governor of michigan ow i forgot about that wait is he really no no he's not running but he's like done all this campaign, he talked about it and he was like doing like concerts and mentioning it.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, luckily we just, we just have this terrible, terrible song to deal with. So nice track. The song's actually going to be president in 2024. I'm sorry. Right. The GOP nominee.

It's actually the new Supreme Court justice. It's We The People by Kid Rock. It's an NFT of We the People by Kid Rock is our newest Supreme Court justice. That's where we're at, I feel like. It does, like, the positioning of we just have to come together and, like, criticizing division as, like, the enemy

and, like, divisiveness and like not coming together like that that does seem to be coming the new reality is that the right wants us all to come together and so does a lot of like the quote-unquote centrists like that it's more like the knee jerk it's like hey can we can we not be so repulsed by racism and bigotry? That's what they mean by come together. They're like, I'm a bigot, but like, let's come together. And yeah, I may be actively trying to do things to disenfranchise you, but that doesn't mean you got to just like make fun of me on SNL all the time. Right.

Come on. It's like really unfair. It really hurts my feelings. Right. Come on. It's like really unfair. It really hurts my feelings. Anyway, so yes, just wanted to touch in on that bit of right wing creativity before this next piece of right wing creativity. Yeah. I mean, well, Amanda, any insight from your time with the Proud Boys? Does this channel the vibes that you were feeling backstage at uh resurgence of nazism in america so right loved their rappers they sure do they love they love bad rap music they love mega music it is really embarrassingly bad sometimes the music comes on it's like people live performing and you're just like man i wish that you could just like can the nazi just talk again like can we get this guy out of here because this is so awful

I mean because this is like the best they have to offer right because he's like famous there's a bunch of people who are like performing at like Trump Doral and stuff who were just like I guess Kanye too I mean if he really did a show that would have been something at that time but yeah so that's just so

wild to me like I can only imagine where you have to go to these events and like listen to these these people speak, but then you're like, fuck, there's four musical acts. Like, I can only watch these little girls like sing like Third Reich hymns for so long before it starts getting stale. Again, in the movie version of your story, somebody will get up and rapping. It'll be like suddenly Dreamweaver will be playing in your head and they'll be soft focus and they will have bars. Like the dude who was rapping at the Capitol on January 6th who shot that music video. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, like that's the moment. You're at the Capitol and then you see the guy rapping like, hold on on a second that's right i'm like stop the seal that's right let's get this let's get this out of here let's get those ballots oh shit anyway all right we'll speak to other people

who were there at january 6th with you doing doing their thing we we got to meet 25 year old jeremiah kaplinger who entered the capital smash some shit up had body armor on but just didn't have criminal intent come on look at him it's nice my honor right how stringy my arms are okay and this body armor is more like i'm cosplaying as one of my favorite characters from uh Telegram channel that I'm on all day. But yeah, his defense of like, I was just there to look at stuff. It may have held up for maybe 10 more minutes had he not posted like a dumb like little Facebook flex post with a Cersei Lannister quote. post with a Cersei Lannister quote. And this post has brought us to the point where now, where federal prosecutors are having to explain the plot of Game of Thrones to begin to connect the dots for people about what this person's intent was at the Capitol. So two days after

the insurrection, this guy posted an image of a soldier from the American Revolution with the caption, quote, as said by Cersei Lannister, I choose violence. So then in the footnote of this document, they're talking about how this whole thing happens, quote, Cersei Lannister is a fictional character in the HBO television series Game of Thrones. After being confronted by a group of politically empowered religious zealots who warn her that if she does not yield to them, there will be violence. Cersei Lannister responds, I choose violence. They go on to say that the footnotes also explains that Cersei used, quote, a weapon of mass destruction to blow up one of the largest and most important buildings in the capital city, which contained politicians and religious leaders.

I mean, I mean, I didn't even make that connection. That is good background. Yeah. And I don't even think that guy did right you know probably not when i read that i was like oh that's right because what was the what was that shit called the night what that that green shit that they used to blow up the yeah you know what i'm talking about whatever see this is how long the show has been and i put it to the back of my mind but i think for them it's just like, I like this quote of being like, I have a binary in front of me and I'm going to tough guy it out. And then so they go on to say, quote, in stating, I choose violence. Cersei Lannister embraced and then carried out

mass murder to achieve her political ends. In the context of Kaplinger posting this just two days after January 6th, Kaplinger's adoption of this quote is alarming and provides insight into his mental state and intent storming the Capitol. I mean mean i choose violence was a meme by that point so by like reference saying that it was cersei lannister like attributing it to that character i do feel like he's kind of freighting it with a little bit of extra when shit posting becomes shit up yeah when your shit posts are exhibit a in your federal prosecution they're like i'm just shit posting man they're like no look really understand what you're saying here oh right huh maybe in your experience uh being there seeing these people amanda like there there

does seem to be like a blurring between people thinking or at least like portraying it as like they're there for the lulls and, you know, the people who like we got Trump elected as like a bit basically and now kind of bleeding into Nazis, like straight up Nazis who are trying to overthrow the government? Like what, just that cosmic gumbo, I guess I would call it, of like different types of motivations and types of people. Like what did you, what were your impressions? Over the last year, I have, every Nazi, every literal like neo-fascist white nationalist that I have met

is proud of Januaryuary 6th they think it didn't go far enough they think the founding fathers would be proud of what had happened and they think you know like they're willing to admit it they think that the whole fbi antifa thing is stupid and embarrassing and some of them will say differently um publicly especially if they're like lower level lower-level elected officials. But behind closed doors, it's what they all say. Compared to, like, this, like, weird, like, I mean, I'll get, like, people who will tell me. Many of the people that I met were there throughout the past year.

Most of the people there were there on January 6th. And I'll have, like, you know, like, grandmas being like, yeah, it was a prayer circle. We held hands and prayed and, like like gave Bibles to the homeless people. And I'm like, and she's, you know, they'll be like, oh, like all the violence was Antifa. And it's like, what? Like, what are you talking about? You know? So, when it was actually happening, like everybody was all in. I mean, I was at the Capitol, so I wasn't, you know, like far away. So, I don't know, maybe there really was some giant prayer circle closer to the White House. But when I was there, I mean, people were all in the point that people were cheering when the police were like, you know, having pepper bombs like at us because they

thought it was to get Antifa. They thought it was to get the counter protesters that were stopping us from coming into the Capitol. So in the moment, everybody was all all in it's just like what has happened since then right how you explained it to yourself and others right yeah yeah i mean i was at a prayer circle at the capital that day we like we didn't even it was a complete coincidence we didn't even know what was happening we didn't even notice it really because we were so into our prayers just yeah yeah and then yeah when and then when jake put on his viking helmet and like left you're like all right later bro i guess i'll see you yeah and i remember you texted me you're like man that jake guy's pretty cool he's got he's got some ideas man yeah dreamweaver

was like a lot of intersection with like you know like viking scandinavian mythology he was really putting me up on but yeah But yeah, so you're saying like in a way that there's like two levels of engagement, right? Like with the more chest out fascists, they're like, yeah, we did that. And I don't want to hear someone trying to say that it wasn't us because that was like, they're, they're proud of seeing that. And then on the other hand, you'll have these like older people who are less like if they're there their mindset has just been more like like that they're on more of a benign mission than maybe like a militaristic one yeah i i think i mean like obviously like i think you know saying that people that were there were

tourists is incredibly disingenuous obviously bullshit right but i will say like those like those some of those tourists were just useful idiots that, you know, you need bodies, you need people, or you can't have, you know, what you're trying to do. And so I think a lot of people were very convinced they were on the right side and that even some of the police were on their side. And they saw, like, what they were doing as, like, good. And I think they just don't know how to, like, reconcile with that. they saw like what they were doing as like good. And I think they just don't know how to like reconcile with that. I mean,

even speaking of like Jake, he was at the other rallies and, you know, families line up and take pictures with him. And I think, you know, like I think a lot about like those families and those little kids who like took pictures with, you know,

the QAnon shaman and like, what do they do with those pictures now? Like, are you still happy you have them? Like, have you disconnected this much in your brain? It's just, yeah, it's very, it's very it's very strange and it's um i i would listen to people as they would talk about what they witnessed at the capitol and they would say things like you know i saw a bus

pull up of people and they went and changed in bushes into maga gear which like why wouldn't they just change in the bus that's stupid already and then it would be like and they'd be like like one lady was like i think that they were sex slaves i think it was antifa sex slaves that were drugged up and i'm like i mean just literally any thought to not have to take responsibility for what you did right and it sounds like there's a lot of like you know inbuilt world building and paranoia fueling things i really think about that one part of your write up around like the day before, like everybody was just sort of in this sort of stance of like, are we about to be attacked? Like, are we like, is something going to happen to us? So that way, so if we need to project more aggression outwardly, like that's just a function of us trying to protect ourselves. Like what, what was that sort of energy? Like, cause that really struck me when I read that part of how everyone was sort of in this

like group mindset of paranoia to begin like justifying a lot of violence. Yeah, it was really weird. Um, so the first rally was in November shortly after the election was called. And that was like, I mean, there was violence and there was some paranoia, but the next rally in December is really where it kicked up. And just being around people who literally would say to me, oh, you're going to your car, you know, six blocks away. There's a lot of enemies afoot. You know, you have to be safe.

You have to be vigilant. Like somebody has to walk you. You know, you can't go anywhere alone. And like downtown D.C. is where this is happening. And downtown D.C. is pretty safe in general. But during COVID, it's pretty much abandoned. So we're the only people there, you know. Right. And it was just, you know, in November, people were still, oh, I back the blue and thanking the cops and shaking their hands. And by December, it was, you know, the cops are useless. They are unable to do

anything. You know, blue mayors in every city just let violence, you know, run unchecked. And the cops can't help us even if they want to. And so it was like building up this narrative of the only people that we could trust to protect us were the proud boys. Right. Yeah. There was like, you're,

you're reporting kind of, I guess I like saw the proud boys. I saw the people like crashing in, but then there are all the, all these people, maybe the people who are like claiming they were in a prayer circle, but they're like not the Proud Boys, but they're in this like group where they are under attack and the Proud Boys are the only ones like there to protect them. Like was like a kind of level of, I don't know, like the dynamic that hadn't really come across to me. That's so interesting because I mean, like I've had a really hard time consuming media. Like I have not followed the arrests or anything from January 6th.

I've just been busy. I've had to lead two lives and that's been taxing. But I also like I found a lot of the coverage frustrating. And for me, I mean, that stood out to me so much. It's like shocking to me that people are surprised by it because it was, I mean, it messed me up for days. Like that rally in December, I wouldn't shut up about it. Like my friends were probably like tired of me, you know?

I couldn't stop telling people. I'm like, something bad is going to happen. Like, I don't know if it's next time or the time after that, but this is going to be really bad. And then, you know, lo and behold, it wasn't great. January 6th, not so good. Yeah. I mean, people talk about a civil war, like the idea of a civil war has gone from like a silly thing or like a like sort of fringe paranoia thing to now something that's becoming like a more popular opinion that we're like headed to

something that looks like a civil war like i feel like we're maybe already in sort of a cold civil war with the occasional flare-up but the more like we kind of exist in the post-january 6th world the more it seems like a lot of the stuff that you were seeing behind the scenes is not, it's not a, like, that wasn't a breaking point where people, like, took a step back and were like, oh, wow, that was bad, and we need to, like, learn from that. It's, like, you're seeing those, that belief system, like, become more and more popular and widespread, like, that paranoia of, like, we're under attack and, like, only, like, strong men can save us. Like, you saw that in the, like, New York Times,

Frank Bruni poll of undecided voters. Like, it was basically unanimous people being, like, yeah, we're, like, the crime is out of control. And, like, it's because we defunded the police and, like, all these, like, far-right talking points that have just, like, it's because we defunded the police and like all these like far right talking points that have just like kind of made their way out. I don't know. It just feels like the, in that sort of civil war conflict that people were saying like would never happen.

The like, I also think that like the mainstream media and a lot of people underestimate how strong that Proud Boys side of it is and has continued to become. What are your thoughts as somebody who's kind of been there firsthand seeing it? Well, I think it bleeds into every facet of what we're seeing right now. Well, I think it bleeds into like every facet of what we're seeing right now. I mean, if you can whip people up into a frenzy and convince them that there's enemies everywhere, you can get them to do anything you want, as long as you're like providing a way to protect them. And so a lot of what you're seeing now with school boards and stuff that, you know, I was in like little classes being coached on how to like run for school board in like February of 2021, right? And it's, you know, using those exact same talking points. And instead of doing it in a militia or probably street violence kind of way, it's like, how can you do this, you know, with a suit on? And that is why like CRT, you know, critical race theory being such a big thing, a lot of it comes from teaching people like this is how you combat this stuff. This is

like, if you don't want to defund the police, if you want crime to be, you know, like, this is how you combat this stuff. This is like, if you don't want to defund the police, if you want crime to be, you know, lower, if you want your kids to be safe in school, like this is the stuff that you have to do. You have to run for office. And like, this is why I knew CRT was going to like be a really big deal. Because in April, I was at Trump Doral and a woman named Landon Starbuck, whose husband is running for Congress. She was like, CRT is what they are teaching your kids, the Democrats, to make them more susceptible to child sex trafficking so that they can, like, you know, like traffic your kids. Which is like crazy, right? Like it's it's so removed from reality that teaching people critical race theory is a way to make them susceptible to be child sex trafficked.

There's no like logical connection, but it works. everybody in that room was like yeah absolutely i know those buzzwords yeah well at the time i was like what the fuck is crt like i had no idea this is april like i don't know what this is but that kind of like paranoia and fear that they just they just go they dial it up all the way and it makes people do like whatever so it makes them trust whoever it makes them willing to run for office. It makes them willing to give their money because they're just so afraid all of the time. And I, I don't see, you know, in the media, there's a lot of people just are given like equal, equal platforms as though both sides are, you know,

making good faith arguments. And obviously that's not true. Well, we just need to come together. Like kid just come together. Right. Right. Right on these nuts. Come together. and obviously that's not true well we just need to come together like kid just come together right right right on these nuts come together suck on these yeah yeah yeah so i i don't know i don't know when people are going to wake up to it because it's it's happening you know it's no longer just happening in violence which is bad but like right you know i think it's worse when it's happening you know in the local election level where people you can do violence like a limited number of times before you're no longer allowed to do violence but if you are on the school board you can do a lot of harm for a very long time right right yeah it's to that point of like you

know the ability for someone to evolve i know you know when we were dming you were to your time like i know vaccine cop like i was at some like q shit with this guy and you know that and we were talking a little bit about q and you know like even there right i mean i'm also really interested to see like what the cognitive dissonance is like in real time when you're like in these groups and everybody's getting ready for one thing to happen and it doesn't and you do see sometimes there will be like a minority of people who may question like oh like what what now when other people like just don't fucking worry about it man just fucking keep going keep going keep going what is that

like sort of what is that process like Like, is that even something that is potentially that could happen on a wider scale? Or like, you know, obviously, those people in a minority, because they're the ones who are going to somehow, you know, look at their situation and try and have a reckoning with it. But, you know, what was sort of that like, just to kind of watch that happen in front of you? So I mean, obviously, what I was doing was, you know, a self selecting group of people, a lot of these kibonon events i went to were between like 500 and 1200 to get in the door so if you're like having questions you're probably not going to pay all that money so what i would see more of would

be like problems that people would have with influencers so you know maybe someone doesn't like something that mike flynn said or somebody doesn't like something that you know some other you know lyn Lin Wood said. Right. But that being said, the influencers themselves are very good at like dealing with that and kind of like trying to make those like fears go away. And I have found that when things don't pan out, people, if they get upset, blame an influencer. So the way like QAnon works is that you know all of these q drops came out there's no that's no longer happening but people would bake them and they

would try to figure out you know whatever secret meaning they could figure out and a lot of the influencers uh you know would speak on these q drops so it's easier to be like oh well you know so-and-so's interpretation was wrong versus you you know, Q is wrong. And there's always, you know, some excuse. Lin Wood in particular would say stuff, you know, like, Q is you and Q is me and Q is all the people who hate child sex trafficking. So, you know, we don't really need to have any answers because Q is what you feel inside. Which is like genius if you're trying to manipulate a bunch of people but it's also very dumb are there other people that that

you see as like okay this is somebody that we're unfortunately going to be hearing a lot from in the in the future like if you heard about this guy don Trump? He used to have a reality show, and I think he might have a future. Now, do you, like, is there somebody that has a lot of, like, power in that underground that you saw that we should be worried about? Well, first, I'm going to just say I'm shocked about vaccine police making national news, because that's a weird dude. I mean, even at a QAnon event, you're like, wow, this dude is extra. So. weird dude. I mean, even at a QAnon event, you're like, wow, this dude is extra. So we all, he just tapped into the fact that we all want to drink our pee. Yeah. Yeah. You know, speaking to the nation, um, like there was one influencer in particular. I was, um, it was actually at the event where i first met vaccine police and i was in my

hotel lobby and some random people were like did you want to go to a um a baptism on the beach and i'm like yeah okay so they put me in their car and we drove like half an hour away to go to this baptism and um the guy who was like running it was this guy named brad barton who had i don't know like 30 000 followers on telegram at this time. And since then, he has like 130,000 followers. He hosted a 9-11 Memorial Day event that featured General Flynn and Lin Wood that I paid $500 to go to. And I had to bring my own chair. Holy shit.

Which meant I had to buy a chair at the event in addition to buying my ticket. Whoa. Okay. Yeah. I got to ask. Okay. Keep going because I event in addition to buying my ticket. Whoa. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Keep going because I have more grift questions. Yes.

Yeah. I call it my BYOC, my bring your own chair event. So I did that. I went to another event he had in South Carolina. So he is like becoming huge, but he's not really like gaining me like media traction. He certainly has a bigger following than vaccine police does. I did get to keep the chair. I was a $25 chair. I got a deal on the chair. So, okay, the chair is like, it looks like a plate, but then you twist it. You know those finger traps? It's kind of like pills. It kind of looks like that when you pull it out. So it's portable. So you can put it in

your luggage when you're done. The chairs were $35, but the woman selling the chairs was like friendly with me because I had seen her so many times. So she gave me a bargain for $25 chair. So 500 for the ticket, $25 for the chair. Wow. And that's like, and that's someone who that's like their side business. Someone just like, I know they're not going to have chairs here. So I'm just going to set up my chair shop. Oh, man, I'm going to really mess your day up. Okay, so she sells all this Trump stuff at like every event you can imagine, like, like Second Amendment or events, like things that Trump derailed, like she like donates money to Trump, all these blinged out purses that say Trump on them. She's got she actually sold me I have a hat that says like fuck Biden that she sold me at a different event. She's every every Q&A or Trump event you can think of

they have a presence her little company does. But yeah, she knew it wasn't bringing her own chair event. So she ordered a bunch of chairs because she also sells them at Trump like rallies when he speaks. So there's like a whole side world of like, yeah, you want to sell I'm always struck by like the black people selling the stuff at the events and i'm like look at this hustling because i'm like i'm not sure how many of these people i saw like one video a guy was like i'm just selling this shit because it sells and you're like wow yeah what an interesting and then you have the people who are like i'm so devoted i do custom bejeweled pimp cups for that say go brandon and

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And we're back. And yeah, we were talking before the break about just, first of all, who we're going to see like rising up. And it does seem to be just an assortment of scammers. Like what what are the weaknesses that you see that like could bring the whole kind of far right, you know, movement that has a lot of energy right now, like down or slow it down, I guess. Great question. I don't know. It's so hard. I mean, I think it's got it. There's not like there's not one answer for everybody, right? Like you would have to to to localize it, make it very like. So if you follow this person who has these events, maybe you can separate

somebody from like following that influencer, but they might still follow like QAnon. It's really hard to say. I think in terms of just like kneecapping it, like I'm an advocate of first line of defense is banning people from social media platforms because that's, you know, like number one, but it can't stop there. You have to like continue on. If these people, I mean mean there's a lot of mlm crossover a lot of pyramid scheme people are in this industry now and so they're going to learn the secrets to success the secrets of success it's true oh no and how to be more confident a business person oh yeah oh it's so funny because sometimes i'll listen to the speakers and you like you can tell they took their old MLM speeches and just changed a couple of words to make it QAnon related. It's it's and a lot of them like they've scrubbed their old stuff from the Internet.

And I've been able to find some things, you know, that's older of them actually giving MLM speeches. And you can run it next to each other. And you just, it's, it's so frustrating that this is happening. So, yeah. Right. Like, so unlocking your personal power has become our fight against tyrannical sexual predators. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like, oh, see, together and we can unlock that power.

That's wild. So, because, I mean, yeah, it is clear that at a certain point, like so many, like a lot of these people are in there for the grift. And also just like probably like the ego reinforcement of being like, I love it. I go to these places. People fucking scream and like they love me and I lie and I make money. It all works. whether through influencing or like these mlm people that are like fully bought in and the people who are completely cynical just scam artists who are like dude these people are so fucking easy to like bilk like i i literally got them to buy their own chairs at a fucking event

they paid 500 for you know what i mean like i'm curious what because that seems like the weaknesses is that clearly there are people who are fully bought in on in every dimension of like right wing extremism but there's also a very clear group of people who are like, I can squeeze a lot of dollars out of these people, too. I don't know that there's a big division. I mean, just think about it. If you take any group of people, right? I own a business. If you put a group of people, anything.

I voted for Bernie. Take a group of Bernie supporters, right? Or I like to hike. Take a group of people who like anything. I voted for Bernie. Take a group of Bernie supporters, right? Or like, I like, I like to hike. Take a group of people who like hiking. You're going to have people who are like business minded. You're going to have people who are scammers. You're going to have people who are like gullible. It doesn't matter. You know what your base is. And so I think for most people, what's happening is they support Trump and they support like the cause and they're just seeing an opportunity the way that you would in any other like situation financially. I don't think there's many people who are like disillusioned with like Trump

or MAGA world who are super involved in it. I mean, on the other, like, and like, I think out of all the people who are like, like, I think Mike Lindell is a true believer with beyond anything. I think he's willing to like lose whatever because he's such a true believer. And I don't think that's most people. I think most people are a little bit more grounded in reality than Mike Lindell is. But I don't really think that there's too many complete nonbelievers who are like running running the scam in here.

At the very least, you know, a lot of them are donating to Trump and it's it's public and traceable. And so I believe that they are at the very least you know a lot of them are donating to trump and it's it's public and traceable and so i believe that they are at the very least a trump supporter yeah i mean you know the the last we checked in from a electoral perspective with this movement like a shocking number of americans voted for trump like would and i know I like this isn't necessarily your area of expertise but like I I guess my theory is that it has only grown in popularity since then just based on how many like people like just a comparison of the average person and their opinions on vaccines and like the government and then Trump in general. Like it feels like, I don't know, I'm very pessimistic about where,

like what we're going to find out in the 2022 midterms. Like, is there any reason for hope that you're seeing? Like anything late, like you mentioned that some people are like a little bit more on the fence than we might expect but like what what are your thoughts are they organizing do you think that we're fucked thoughts so i'll preface it by saying that like at the end of the day there's like more people in this country who are not neo-fascist white nationalists so like we don't have to lose but we could yeah i mean they're organizing they are over the summer i went to an event that linwood was at linwood had run for office in south carolina and the man who convinced him to run for office was a man named presley studs and presley studs was a tea

party guy who like is now obviously like there's a lot of crossover from Tea Party into this world now and the Tea Party's whole thing you know over a decade ago was run for school board run for local elections and so he was teaching us about that and he was saying things to us like you might be sitting in this room we were in Greenville South Carolina so it's not like a big city or anything you, you might be sitting here and you might be thinking, I only make nine dollars an hour. I only have, you know, a GED. Like, I don't know anything. How how can I contribute? And instead of being like. Like sometimes Democrats do where it's like, oh, Lauren Boebert's an idiot because she has a GED instead of being, you know, like gatekeeping. He was like, all you have to do

is listen to us and we'll teach you everything you need to know. We can help you. You know, like you're here and that means you want to learn. And that's what matters. It doesn't matter what your background is. It doesn't matter what your job is because you can help change the future of our country. Presley Stutz led a harassment campaign to bully and terrorize the woman who had won, like, the head of, like, the local GOP into quitting. Like, harassed her kids, harassed her, and it worked. And, you know, she quit. And then I think Presley was in charge, and now he's dead of COVID because every event I went to was a super spreader event, and he refused to get vaccinated. So now, you know, but before he died, he was able to, like, take over. And just, like, watching all of this stuff play out and how it's being planned.

And then coming back into the normal world and seeing how, like, regular people are interacting with each other, you know, that aren't in the depths of this. I mean, like, how many Democrat campaigns are, like, going to, you know, be like, Lauren Boebert's an idiot. QAnon is stupid. You know, Marjorie Taylor Greene's stupid. Like, there's a know, be like, Lauren Boebert's an idiot. QAnon is stupid. You know, Marjorie Taylor Greene's stupid. Like, there's a lot of rhetoric like that. And that really worries me because they are really working hard to like, be like, you know, we're the party of the people and you might be, you know, a poor son of a bitch, but we don't care. And so I think we need to reevaluate, well, not we, but you know,, the DCCC has to reevaluate how they are handling things and what message they want to send out to people who are voters in their party.

And I think that's where it makes me cynical, right? Because the answer to fighting extremism is to address inequality, right? And we're not able to do that substantively in this country. So it's only making the soil more fertile for the extremism. And then you couple that with Democrats who don't want to actually address inequality in a substantive, tangible way. And we've seen how much they're like, hey, man, our strategy is just going to be like you're saying to gesture at this clown. That's we'll be like what about this asshole though huh and you're right that's not that's not a winning strategy because for all the the shit talking that happens it's like well what do republicans stand for people need to see that there's actually some kind of

action that goes along with a given party's leadership and if the only thing that you can offer people when they're destitute and you know scrapping together in existence is hey what about lauren bobert that does fuck all for someone does fuck all for someone rather than saying we need a fucking we need to smash that minimum wage to the point that you can't even believe what minimum wage is that you'll be like fuck it actually i want to now i can i can actually do whatever the fuck i want because i can live off of being a florist or whatever whatever job or you know whatever kind of gig that you want and yeah i think that's what really unsettles me is to see that the dysfunction is so clear but obviously because of this capitalistic system we're in there's no way that like the we can have like

a true realignment and prioritizing the general populace rather than, you know, the decision makers at the top. like anything at this point and like their attempts to like win people over by like you know criticizing people for being stupid like you guys are talking about or just assuming that like just because the mainstream media is on their side and like buying into like what they say that like that's going to like hold any weight anymore i feel like that's like less and less the case and then when you also like look at the other side and they have like the they have like american exceptionalism and you know white supremacy and violence like open violence on their side like those are all pretty potent in american history So that's those are the reasons I'm feeling bad today. against the wall like we're seeing some kind of pushback whether that's people trying to get organized to do what they can to have a more you know equitable existence without completely outside

of the power structures of like elected politicians so there is that like i do count on human nature to prevail on some level but i don't know that doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna game out in electoral math which i think that's where probably on the precipice of a very significant, like, societal shift again, as if the pandemic weren't enough. violent maniacs and like actually like do the hard reporting that i personally am too much of a coward to do so i i really appreciate you doing it i appreciate you coming on the show amanda where can people kind of find you follow you all that good stuff i'm on uh twitter and instagram at no turtle soup 17 there you go then i'll have some more articles coming out i guess in the next couple of weeks about my time undercover nice is there a tweet or some other work of social media that you've been enjoying i don't know if i've been enjoying it but i've been thinking about it

since i saw it last night and i can't stop thinking about it so it's from isabel sandoval who says it's she's responding to somebody, what's the weirdest celebrity interaction you've ever had? And she says, I took a pic of Mark Ruffalo on the subway while he was taking pics of my shoes, which he then posted on Instagram. And I just, yep. Yes. So it's hot. I don't know. What he does on Instagram?

I don't know. I can tell you I did not go look at his Instagram. Yeah. But she posted a screenshot of him putting her feet up on Instagram. Hmm. Okay. Yeah. All right, Mark.

See you later, fool. Later, bruh. Wow. All right. I'm going to head on out. Great find. Miles, where can people find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying?

You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Grey. And also, if you like trash TV to get your heart pumping blood through your rotten corpse like me, check out 420 Day Fiancé with Sophia Alexander and I, where we love to watch 90 Day Fiancé and Married at First Sight and all that nonsense. Some tweets I like. Since we're talking about celebrity interactions, let's do a positive one. This is from first at Hipster Crit. Lauren Modery tweeted, tell me the strangest interaction that you've had with a celebrity. And at Lucid J replied, once Andre 3000 was on my ferry ride to Alcatraz and I said hi, my six-year-old autistic son came over and started talking his ear off about German shepherds, his obsession at the time. Andre talked to him about dogs for like 20 minutes.

We exchanged numbers. Four years later, I got this text. And it's a screen cap that says, hi, Jason. I was searching for a name and yours popped up. I remember our cool encounter on the boat. Ha. How's the kid? I'm living in NYC now.

So if you're ever here, please reach out. Shut the fuck up. That better be real. That better be fucking real. That's the greatest thing I've ever heard. I mean, because we do hear how personal Andre is out there. Always just kind of blessing people with wonderful experiences. So, you know, shout out Jason. And then another

one, I just want to point out this from at Molly Taft, Molly Taft tweeted a screen cap. So it says media CEO, we're doing a series on salary transparency, same media CEO, wait, no, stop asking about no, wait, no, stop stop asking about mine So Nicholas Carlson tweeted He's like Insiders launching a series That demystifies people's salaries And we need your help At Beck Peterson asks

What is your salary Nick? He replies Fun question I'd rather not say publicly For lots of practical reasons I'm sure you can imagine This feels a little wimpy But also prudent

I think I would submit it To some third party I could trust to keep it anonymous and average it with other people's rolls like mine. Fun question. Fun question. That's great. That's a great

thing to say when you've just been fucking owned. Fun question, Your Honor. How do I plead? Plead is such a funny word just chest pass it right back all right what's yours then homie huh yeah that's a that's a doozy that's a fun one damn that andre thing right fuck i hope that's true all right let's see couple tweets i've been enjoying in In honor of Air National Day, I want to call out this tweet from a couple days back.

Hot Girl Mess at Alarvia tweeted, People in LA, I'm staying away from carbs and sugar. People in Chicago, Portillo's chocolate cake is the best because they put mayonnaise in the batter to make it denser. Love Portillo's. Charlie James tweeted, I would like to take part in a scheme. Not a pyramid one, just a little heist or something. So, anybody who's got one of those going on?

I don't know. You know, reach out to them. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy? Oh, man. This one's called Boys with Toys. And it's a, it's like this, the sample was used in this Swizz Beatz track with the locks that I really like. It's called Something Dirty. But hearing this brass sample, it's really cool just track from like, you know, this is from like a compilation of like obscure sample tracks uh that i found uh but it's by gap mangione what they're putting there for the artist but yeah if you like some brass music you like something that feels a little you know

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