The Daily Zeitgeist - Kim K Can Close Her Kimono, Mueller To Open His? 6.27.19

Episode Date: June 27, 2019

In episode 422, Jack and special guest host super producer Nick Stumpf are joined by Creature Feature podcast host Katie Goldin to discuss the controversial name for Kim Kardashians new shape wear, Trump making a joke about McCain's death, Robert Mueller planning to testify before the House Judiciary and Intelligence committees, Tucker Carlson agreeing with Elizabeth Warren's 'economic patriotism' plan, Charmin's Forever Roll toilet paper roll, and more! FOOTNOTES: 1. Kim Kardashian's Kimono lingerie line sparks Japanese anger2. Trump’s bizarre attack on McCain lowlights raucous speech to evangelical group3. Impeachment backers say Mueller's testimony could be a game-changer4. Tucker Carlson: Elizabeth Warren's "Economic Patriotism" Plan "Sounds Like Donald Trump At His Best"5. Millennials Are Finally Getting The Giant Roll Of Toilet Paper They Deserve6. WATCH: Cate Le Bon - Home to You (Official Video) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 88, episode four of their daily zeitgeist. A production of iHeart Radio, this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say officially off the top, hey, fuck Coke Industries and fuck Fox News. It's Thursday, June 27th, 2019. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a.

I won't deny it. I am Jack O'Brien. You don't want to fuck with me. Got the pod hosting with Miles G. But they can't fuck with T.D.Z. Yeah, that is courtesy of Christy Yamaguchi, man. And I am thrilled to be joined by today's acting co-host, Mr. Nick Stump. He's stumped. He's stumped. He's stumped. He's in my head.

That is courtesy of Jack Potatoes. Stumped. He's stumped. He's in my headphones. That's right. He's coming right at you, ladies and gentlemen. Nick, it's great to have you on this side of the glass. Thank you for having me. This is not what I expected you to look like, but yeah, good nonetheless. And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by another podcaster here who the two of us have worked with. The very talented and hilarious Katie Golden.

Yep, it's me. Yeah, good one. How's it going, Katie? Pretty darn good. Yeah. You're the host of a show, Creature Feature, I'm told? That's right. You've been on my show.

Why are you acting so coy? Not coy. I was just very drunk when I was on. I see. Yeah. I like to liquor up my guests. That's true. Get them limber.

Yeah, you can't talk about nature without a couple drinks in you, you know? Yeah. Well, Katie, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment, but first we're going to tell our listeners a few of the things we're talking about. in a moment, but first we're going to tell our listeners a few of the things we're talking about. Like that Kim Kardashian just trademarked the word kimono for her new line of shapewear. We're going to talk about that. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that, but we'll just check in with it just in case. Sharman has put out a forever roll of toilet paper. So that's good for all of us, I think. Trump just said he's glad John McCain

is dead and he hopes he rots in hell. Not in those words exactly. Mueller is going to testify. We're getting excited about that. We're going to check in with what the Republicans are thinking about the Democratic field, what some Republican strategists are thinking, and then what one Mr. Tucker Carlson thinks of one of the candidates. And just real quick, I wanted to say that we are going to be covering last night's and tonight's Democratic debates on tomorrow's episode. So if you tuned in for that, turn it off. I don't want you to expect any sort of insight into anything political from these

two dummies. Sorry, guys. But first, Katie, we'd like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Probably Wolverine Frog Harry? I know

exactly what you're talking about. Did Google. Yeah, other things like, I'm a very curious person. There's like dog bladder stones, big pictures, pictures of big ones. You just put in pictures of big ones into your Google? Well, that auto-filled for me. Pictures of, yeah, we know, Katie, pictures of big ones. Pictures of big ones.

So wait, the hairy wolverine frog, is that the one that breaks its bone through its arm? Yes. I actually just talked to Soren Bui about that on the latest episode of Creature Feature, which you can listen to. I'm assuming if you're listening to this, you have the capacity to listen to that one too.

Yeah, you should. I'm not trying to be passive aggressive about it. I'm not being like, you know, like, hey, like if you can listen to this, I mean. You sound a little frustrated. Couldn't you just listen to this i mean you sound a little frustrated couldn't you just couldn't you just listen to um but yeah it's about it's a frog who will give itself compound fractures to use his wolverine claws and they also have weird skin hairs it's really cool i won't say any more about it you'll just have to listen to that dang old podcast won't you so So even if I asked you more questions about it, you would just refuse. Okay.

Bold move. What is something you think is underrated? So there's this thing that I've known about for quite a while called hydrocolloidal band-aids and they are great. I love them for blisters, for pimples. They're just recently I've seen them being marketed as like these kind of frou-frou things on Amazon where it's like, oh, these incredible new like blemish stopping technology. And it's like, no, you can just go to CVS and get much cheaper ones there and big like bigger ones.

there and big like bigger ones and they're great like I get my feet are very sensitive to getting just awful horrible acne yes yeah no big old blisters and so I just wanted the people to know that you don't have to spend a bunch of money on like luxury hydrocolloid band-aids they already exist in the store what What do they look like? What would I? Looks like a box of band-aids, but it says that they're hydrocolloidal on the box. They'll be with the other band-aids, but they do look weird because they're kind of gross because if you put it on some sort of weeping wound, they'll absorb the fluids like a sponge and then you pull it off and it's just like

excuse me nick is vomiting violently into a trash basket um i don't know why i think i just chose this one because i like saw some ad for like right these things it's like no those already exist and i just don't listen i'm doing my part so you don't't go and buy some kind of fancy high-end beauty product that you could get for $3 and a library card. Am I right? Goodwill hunting? Anyone else? So is it the little Band-Aids for like corns and stuff like that? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can put that on acne and it treats the acne? I mean, it really depends. I don't want to say – it depends on your skin type. Some people are sensitive to adhesive. I am certainly that kind of person, so I have to be careful using it for acne. But if you – you know, don't pick at your acne, but if, like, you have, like, a blemish –

Okay, Nick. We're adults here. We're adults with acne here. What if, like, corns have acne? Oh, yeah. Well, then, I mean, you've got to lose the foot. Yeah. There's no saving that foot.

Yeah, you just put them on. What they do is they just, like, they help dry out the blemish. So, yeah, it's real nasty. Interesting. But cool. That's a good hack. Good old life hacks with Katie. Good old life hacks.

But it's also good for like if you get like a, like I've used them on paper cuts where it's really hard to kind of, you know, just like getting a regular Band-Aid when you put it on your hand, it gets all wet. There's nothing, there's no worse feeling. The smell of it too, you know. Just a smelly wound. Am I right, guys? just a smelly wound am i right guys the feeling of a wet band-aid on your finger after washing the dishes is maybe the worst thing that has ever happened to me wow things are good and i've had a rough life things are good uh well katie what is something you think is overrated this was a lot easier for me to answer which says a lot about me.

You're such an internet troll. Can I just read you a list of choices that I wrote down? And then you can select which one you want me to talk about. I wrote down Thomas Friedman, centrists, horseshoe theory, and then French tuck. I don't know what the French tuck is. So it's probably not worth knowing. So we're going to put that one out. Horseshoe theory, I'm assuming, is some sort of strategy for playing the game of horseshoes. Yes.

And so let's go with centrists. Why are centrists underrated? Pick a side, guys. Or overrated. Pick a side. Come on. Nice. Come on.

Enough said. Just like a playground tease. I'm sort of irritated by it. It's specifically about the current dialogue in the country where it's like, people want a sensible centrist candidate. It's like, no, they absolutely don't. Have you seen the world right now? Have you seen the current, dare I say it, the zeitgeist of the day?

Yeah. That's actually just an automated feature we have put in anytime somebody says zeitgeist. I see you guys have gotten a soundboard since I've been here. Dan, I just said zeitgeist. You have to, if you're playing with the thing. Yeah, thank you.

Nice. Very slow motion. Yeah, okay. That's what I thought about Centrisrist but let me tell you about french tuck hang on yes french tuck what is it i learned about this on the new the the uh queer eye show which is great great show but and and they do the french tuck on this uh show and it looks really good it's like oh you can tuck your shirt in partially and it looks nice and fashionable and i'm like oh great they look so good. I try it,

it always makes me look so dumb. I cannot do it without looking like a total idiot who like got half dressed and like walked out the door. What is a French tuck? What is it? Oh, sorry. A French tuck is when you partially tuck in your shirt. Just the front? Just the front and then you kind of like- Rakeishly? Yeah, rakeishly tuck it in and you kind of like half pull it out and just like let it drape around you and somehow on the show

they do it in a way it's like that looks great if you try it at home you will look so fucking stupid wow stylists love to do that

don't they yeah they do and somehow when they do it it looks great but then I do it on myself and it's just like I look yeah it's like

I just look like I look I just look like I look like I was like went to the bathroom and was wiping and then got my shirt stuck in my butt or something and like went out of the bathroom and was like well are you choosing that specific place to tuck it in partially tuck right in the back in the middle of the back

and like violently so it looks like your shirt's like tugging you just gotta force it in there. All right. That's good to know. And horseshoe theory, was that right? That it's a strategy for horseshoes? It's measuring the wind speed velocity

of which way your horseshoes are going. I've always said you gotta take it to the horseshoe. You gotta take it to your opponent. I'm a very offensive-minded horseshoe. This is Thomas Friedman who came up with this theory? No. No, these are all unrelated. I hate a lot of things.

She's mad about it. Don't even get her started on Thomas Friedman. Start the clock. Problem with Thomas Friedman is he uses mixed metaphors. Anyways. Oh, really? Yeah, he's a writer for the New York Times. Oh, I know who he is. He uses mixed metaphors. Anyways. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, he's a writer for the New York Times. Oh, I know who he is.

He uses mixed metaphors a lot. He's like saying, he was talking about something where you got on an airplane. He was like, you know, we were like a herd of carnivores hunting for a seed. And it's like, carnivores don't form herds, you dingus. Right. Yeah. You can't mix your metaphors like that. Yeah, I would have caught that too. Yeah. Wait, no, they never? Oh, yeah, I guess they don't, you dingus. Right. Yeah. Can't mix your metaphors like that. Yeah, I would have caught that too.

Yeah. Wait, no, they never? Oh, yeah, I guess they don't, right? No. No, that's predators. Yeah. Predators aren't herds. If you want, you could say a pride of lions, but you wouldn't say a herd of lions.

Right, but they just hang out. Yeah. Okay. Pack. A pack. A pack is a good term too, but no. Thomas Friedman, one of the first books I ever listened to on tape was The World is Flat

and it is he says the world is flat like every sentence of that book. He's like the reason the world is flat is it's one of the most poorly written books I've ever read I hate to put old Friedman on blast here but like

he is able to write the most words without actually saying anything of anyone I've ever read. I hate to put old Freeman on blast here, but he is able to write the most words without actually saying anything of anyone I've ever seen. What are his qualifications? I don't know. I've always wondered that. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think he must have,

the thing is, it must be that he had some interesting articles, some interesting things to say early in his career, and then they just kept wanting him to keep going, but he ran out of material, but they're like, we need a new article. He strikes me as the equivalent of a tenured professor who just doesn't need to do shit.

He's the guy who wrote the opinion piece about MBS being a cool dude who he hung out with and he had lots of like fresh ideas. And he's like, hey, don't take it from me, but this guy is cool, kids. He loves talking about how – You're welcome, ladies. Exactly.

He loves talking about like he just has a constant boner for technological advancement where he's like the world is now flat because of iPods and Twitter is going to solve the Middle East. Right. And he was talking about like the zoomies over in India, this new generation of kids who zoom around and are zippies. I forget what he talked about. He was like, guys, trust me, five years from now, you will be laughing that you didn't

know what I was talking about when I said the zippies from India. OK, and it's like this book came out in 2004. It's like none of this shit caught on, man. He's the worst. He's one of the only like normally I would stop reading immediately, but this was like a cross country trip my wife and I were on. And this was like back when you actually like had books on tape. And so like we had like the CD.

Oh, who narrated it? I forget, but it was like eight CDs. And so like we had like the CD. Oh, narrated it. I forget, but it was like eight CDs. And so we just like had to like grind through this terrible book the whole way. And that was my ex-wife. We're not together anymore because of that experience.

What is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? Well, I actually just did this because I was researching an article. But there's not really such a thing as hypoallergenic dogs. There's low-shedding dogs, and this is actually kind of news to me. I thought that hypoallergenic dogs actually would produce less dander, but I don't think that's actually the case. So dogs who are considered hypoallergenic just either don't shed or shed less. I mean, all dogs shed to some extent, but like they shed less. And how that's supposed

to help with allergies is that dander, which contains a protein, which is what people are actually allergic to. It's this protein produced in dog's skin, it's in their saliva, that will stick to the hair and then get around. And that could potentially trigger allergies. But I read a study and they found that homes in which they had hypoallergenic dogs actually had the same amount of detectable allergens when they studied it. But they didn't say like say like oh that means that hypoallergenic dogs don't help it just means that there's still the allergen around but it's possible that the fur getting everywhere like getting stuck to you could trigger your allergies right so that that may be why um so i don't actually know um like i mean i feel like maybe it's helpful like if you

have mild allergies it's probably helpful right now you have mild allergies, it's probably helpful. Right. Now you came in today, you're caked in dog fur. Yes. Yeah. And no, I'm just joking. But the, yeah, I mean, that totally makes sense to me. And I've only ever heard people talk about other dogs, like theoretically, like, oh, is that dog hypoallergenic?

Right. Like I'm allergic to dogs. I never believe people when they say they're allergic to stuff i've just always called their bluff someone's got like a nut allergy and their face is purple it's uh-huh walk it off walk it off indeed let's talk about kim kardashian you guys. She trademarked a few weeks ago the word kimono, and she just revealed why. It's her new line of shapewear. She should have trademarked the word shapewear.

Yeah. Nike's five steps ahead of her on that one, bud. First time hearing of it. Really? Yeah. I've never heard the word shapewear before. What do you wear underneath your clothes to make your figure look that good? Spanx.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Spanx wear. Spanx is shapewear. Okay. Right. But yeah. I thought it was like Kleenex where you...

I think the problem most people are having with this is that she is spelling it exactly the same way that English people, that the word kimono is spelled in English. It's like a traditional Japanese form of clothing. We'll get Miles' thoughts on this when he gets back. But for now, it's still fucked up. So we wanted to call it out. But yeah, so I mean, it's cultural appropriation in a really poorly thought through way. Well, in the worst way, right? Because you're literally it's like when other like, say,

you know, it's I certainly can't necessarily make a determination on this because I am a full disclosure, I'm white. But I feel like, you know, if you're going to culturally appropriate something, don't literally steal it so everybody else can't use that word. Right. Right? Yeah. No, like most people under the age of 18 now are confused when they hear the word kimonoardashian is a big deal to people under 18 i'm hip i'm up on the kids but yeah i mean it's generally she created a homophone overnight that is going to confuse people when it comes to that term now because she's like trademark does that

mean like other people can't sell stuff called kimonos yeah now i, if I were her PR, I would advise her not to start suing every Japanese person who uses the word kimono. That would probably not be a good idea. But yeah, I mean, people are just, I don't think that's the concern that people won't be able to do it. I think the best description I read of it was somebody just saying it dilutes the culture a little bit. Like it's not like an outright attack that is making people feel like active pain in the moment, but it just kind of cheapens the culture and dilutes a word that is important to the culture. And it's just a kind of thoughtless, shitty thing to do. Right. I mean, I think that there can be things like cultural appropriation and,

you know, racism where it's not like it's it doesn't have to be an earth shattering thing, but to still just feel crappy and to be bad. You know, people complain they're not saying that she's literally committing a war crime. They're saying that she's doing something that's kind of shitty and not very respectful but what else are you going to call it what could you call it really kimono i mean come on because what else could you possibly call it oh wait it's a pun on her name i just got that oh really yeah oh yeah you're like never mind this is totally fair game what a good good, what a great joke. Wow. It's a, she definitely noticed at a young, and then the trending hashtag on Twitter was Kim. Oh no.

Oh God, that's so good though. I mean, okay. I understand years and years of, you know, like cultural sort cultural bias and the exotification of other cultures, and that's all bad. But think of the puns, you guys. Such a good, wow. So good. Picture of it, I just found she's got her Kim Rose in, too. Her Kim Rose?

What are those? There's corn rose. Corn rose, oh, okay. What? What? What are those? Cornrows. Cornrows. Oh, okay.

Does she? What? Yes. Yeah. I saw some people suggesting other ideas for what she should have called it, and they all made sense, but they weren't as good as kimono. Right. But there's not a rule that says you have to put your name in the product or the brand

you're creating. That's where you're wrong, Jack. Yeah. Also, but so it's shapewear, right? Yes. I don't think, so kimonos do have that sash, which is, I'm sort of assuming that's kind of what she's hinting at. You know, there's that sash that goes around and kind of cinches in the waist, but that's

not called a kimono. Right. That, oh, there's that sash that goes around and kind of cinches in the waist, but that's not called a kimono. Right. That, oh, it's not? No, I mean, I just- The one with the sash is not? Yeah, I just, well, no, no, the whole thing is called- Oh, got it. But-

No, I'm pretty sure this is just her knowing that Japan is cool, Japanese culture is cool. Very marketable. Yeah, very marketable right now. So hot right now. That was a joke, guys. I'm not kidding. And that her name is Kim, and the word kimono has her name in it. Like, that's...

And kimono equals clothes. And also, maybe she knew that this was going to happen, and she's... Yeah. I mean, shit. She probably... I mean, haven't there been accusations of that in the past with us like you know when people do those ridiculous things you can't believe they're doing it you know like some incredibly racist t-shirt and like a target ad or something and you're like somebody must have just this is like a super cynical play for just clicks and people to talk about it. Yeah. Because here we are talking about it.

And I mean, who would know that better than somebody whose career started with a sex tape? Yeah, I mean, exactly. It's like, oh, no, my sex tape is out. Whoopsies. Yeah. Did I drop this sex tape right directly into the inbox of the National Enquirer? Yeah, that's how the internet works, right? Yeah, I'm trying to think of better names. One of them would be Kim Squeeze, like kimchi, but Kim Squeeze.

That's a good one, right? Kim Squeeze. Yeah. No, it's great. I feel like the way for her to dispel the notion that this was just a cynical way to get clicks would be for her to change it to Kim Squeeze. Or change it to something. It needs to be changed. Also, kimono is...

I recently heard a business person be like, yeah, we had a real open your kimonos moment where we just open the kimonos and it's like, alright, let's just all open our kimonos and show what we're working with. What the hell does that mean? It means like being open, yeah, like not hiding anything. Could you not, I wish that they wouldn't

have like that sort of But how else are you going to describe it? I don't know, what I would do is like, let's have a real that sort of... But how else are you going to describe it? I don't know. What I would do is like, let's have a real like sort of a, just open up the butt cheeks, you know? Yeah, yeah. Spread your butt cheeks.

It's basically the same. A real spread the cheeks moment. Show each other our assholes. Inner asshole. Real, real... Right up in there. Real pinch that b-hole moment. I like that way better.

Yeah. Spread the cheeks. But so kimono for me is already already has a douchey business kind of connotation to it

a commotation to it what? a kimotation? kimotation oh my god kimonotation alright

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And yeah, I did. Probably the listeners were wondering that very same thing. Why? Like, where was the bomb drop after Kimono-tation? And yeah, it's probably the buttons probably stuck. Dan wouldn't confirm it, but we can all agree. Let's talk about the fact that Donald Trump yesterday, we talked on yesterday's show about how cultural executives, media executives are worried that we're going through a Trump slump.

And maybe Donald Trump is too, because he's saying some wild shit. And he might have pulled a Samuel L. Jackson a time to kill in saying, I'm glad John McCain is dead and I hope he rots in hell. So he was speaking about why he didn't kill Obamacare and pass his much totally better version. And he said, quote, we needed 60 votes and we had 51 and sometimes we had a hard time with a couple people fortunately they're gone now

they've gone on to greener pastures or perhaps far less green but they're gone very happy they're gone. Very happy they're gone. Which would seem to be him saying that he is glad John McCain is dead. And greener pastures evoking the afterlife and then far less green evoking hell and him being happy that he's in hell. Maybe it's like he's saying, though, the pastures are not green, but they're eco-conscious because you can't waste water. So now they're sort of like desert-scaped pastures. So they're more of a kind of taupe and other- Drought-resistant kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Drought-resistant pastures.

Yeah. That's probably what I meant. Yeah, definitely. But this is what- he's very entertaining when he wants to be. And just such a bad person and totally oblivious to what a bad person he is and unwilling to admit it. Well, you can see this tone. I always think when you read quotes like this, you can picture him doing this exact tone like at a cocktail party where he's wearing tuxedos. And be like, yeah, I talked to Donald Trump,

like kind of an asshole, but it was pretty funny. Like we had this five minute conversation and he's like a playground jerk off that's kind of funny to hang, like see at a party. Yeah. And that's the tone

of all this kind of stuff. And he's been doing it for 50 years and he's like, well, I'm going to stop now. It's been going great. It's like the golden parachute mobster tone where it's like,

my daddy was a criminal. Right. Kind of tone of voice like, oh, maybe, maybe you tone where it's like right my daddy was a criminal right kind of tone of voice like oh maybe maybe he should uh he's like in greener pastures now or or should i say hotter pastures right right right nobody laughs because you're a billionaire right exactly yeah like you're so funny please don't ruin my life yeah it was announced yesterday or two days ago that Robert Mueller is going to testify publicly after there was question whether he would testify even privately in front of Congress. Now, it seems like he's going to testify in a public session in front of Congress. And yeah, I don't know. And, yeah, I don't know. During his press conference, he said he didn't want to testify and that his report is his testimony. And I think people are underplaying how important this could be to have him say what's in the report in front of a huge TV audience. Because he was like, my report is my testimony.

Right, but nobody reads. I think that's the thing that seems to have been lost on him is that, A a nobody reads right and they're not going to read your 400 page report right and b that there he seemed to have assumed that there was going to be similarly honorable people after him in the chain like he's like all i have to do is set this up in the way that i know how and the people the similarly capable people will see it and be like, okay, this is obviously what you meant. This is obviously a roadmap to Congress. This is obviously what the intention of this is. This man is guilty of all sorts of things. Here's the evidence.

You guys take care of it. Yeah. But neither of those things are true. So now where we're at now, he needs to be on TV, on camera saying, yes, if he was not president, I would have prosecuted him. Yes. You know, if we have a video of him saying that, then suddenly it's a different kind of thing. Maybe.

Maybe. I'm a little more cynical. I think that there's just not going to be really a pants down moment, a spread your cheeks moment. Yeah. We're not going to have a, you know, open the kimonos. Right. I think that...

There it goes. What? It's working again. I just, I don't, I think it's kind of going to be one of these things where it's like, it's like a bunch of little paper cut kind of things where it's like, yeah, he did this thing that's like kind of, you know, not explicitly legal or like, you know, just. But I don't think there's going to be a big reveal. I mean, obviously there's not because we do have access to the report, but there's not.

I don't know if there's going to be something that really sort of shakes people to their core. It's like they it reveals anything about Trump. really sort of shakes people to their core. It's like they, they, it reveals anything about Trump. We don't already know that he's a, you know, he's a corrupt person. And I'm sort of, I'm always frustrated with the whole, uh, the whole Mueller report thing, because I feel like if we had gone after him on like the emoluments violations, is so much more i guess specific to his administration that are so much more flagrant and ridiculous uh than they have been there would have been potentially more of a pants down balls out butt cheek butt streak spread moment yeah aren't they still going after the emolument stuff though i don't know they are working its way through some

court right but the i think that with the a lot of the focus being on the Russia stuff, which it doesn't seem like there's not as strong of a case. Well, yeah, but I think that's what Nancy Pelosi's whole point is. Like, we have much stronger cases than all these other lanes. So let's not hang our hat on this Mueller stuff because we're going to get brickwalled in the Senate anyway. on this Mueller stuff because we're going to get brickwalled in the Senate anyway. Yeah, I mean, I think it's, I mean, I think it should just be common practice that for any president, they get investigated on everything they do and that we hold them to a very high standard and that we should be looking into. So I'm not, I'm not, I think that it's good to investigate, but I do think it's, I think there's just like desire i think for there to be

a moment where muller gets up there and says like yeah he sucked putin off and we got the video of it well there's just like things about it though that you think that's gonna happen sorry just real quick i just want to make sure you're going on the record saying you think that is what's gonna happen that's a muller that's and that it's not going to be a big deal? That's almost exactly the opposite of what I said. Sorry, sorry. Okay. Nick, what were you saying? Oh, just that I think the problem with the Mueller report was just that it left certain things up to interpretation and spin from the both.

Right. The way he put it, which is legally speaking exactly how he had to put it because he's hamstrung every which way by the regulations of the Justice Department. Right. speaking exactly how he had to put it because he's hamstrung every which way by the regulations of the justice department but the fact that he couldn't just say like things like yes if he explicitly if he was not a sitting president any other person same charges right this is this is a list of crimes right like to come out and just bark that out right that's what that's the reason for the test and then it then allows trump and people with less imagination to be like see i'm not guilty right whereas if you have him on camera saying yes if he's not president he committed crimes the only reason i did not do this is because i'm not allowed to by the rules of my personal job i mean maybe that i i would certainly hope that people would find that alarming um i think that one of the frustrating things with this report

is there's this sort of like trickle truth. I think people were expecting a smoking gun of, you know, Trump met with Russians to plot the overthrow of the U.S., which, you know, I mean, the practice of like contacting foreign countries to dig up dirt, I think, I mean, like that's not that unheard of. So it's like that's sort of a – and then so we get these kind of little – this trickle of information about like, oh, you know,

the cover-up was probably worse than anything they did and that's very alarming. But we get just slowly fed little bits of information about it and i don't think that's really yeah it's not enough to bring him down it's not enough and and you know it's not i'm i think that i feel i mean i feel less concerned about that whole the whole that aspect of the investigation than i do about i mean the emoluments violations are so much more flagrant and unique to as far as i know to this president that it's like i wish that because that to me would have been more of a if we had like from the beginning gone like this is very bad that would

have been more of a smoking gun more of a kind of shit on your dick moment. Right. Big time shit on the old dick. Yeah, I wonder how much of the, I don't know, like I honestly don't know the answer to this, but the fact that it was Russia being the focus so much more than the emoluments, I wonder how much of that is just procedural things like, well, this court takes longer for cases to get prosecuted and how much of it was you had the entire liberal media establishment trying to explain how they

got the election so wrong. And so there was this kind of hope that there was some sort of conspiracy. kind of hope that there was like some sort of conspiracy. Yeah, I think it's the latter mixed with a little bit of Red Scare stuff. Right. I mean, you know, obviously Russia's government is corrupt, as are many, many governments. But I think that the enticement of, you know, it's what was that movie, Red Dawn? Like it's we get to live in Red Dawn and there's something so sexy about that for the media to go like, like, hey, you know, remember like how like there was hours and hours of news coverage on what's her what's her name? The redheaded woman who. Yeah.

Yeah. Where it's just like that. So it's a very alluring topic. I mean, I find it. I find it also very like enticing, like, oh, you know, sexy Russian spy, you know, and like sort of the just it's such a strong meme or trope in our culture of this idea of like Russia getting in and screwing with the U.S. I think that coupled with the fact that it made it such that Democrats didn't have to take any responsibility for boning up the election potentially. I mean, even say you assume they didn't, and it's just like that their platform was not popular or not left-wing or populist enough. That's also a scary kind of realization.

So just to be clear, you're saying that you think Trump sucked off Putin. And that Mueller's going to say that in the first sentence of this. That's the point that you're— Yeah, and I mean, look, if they want to suck each other off, it's none of my business. They're going to open their kimonos. It's a real open deal. They're going to open their kimonos. It's a real open deal. I don't know. I have Russian ancestry and I don't

even know what the Syrians are. Say no more. Beth got red hair. Wow. Do not pay close attention. Do not pay close attention to Russia. It's fine. I mean, I am very much looking forward to his testimony,

not just because you think he's going to say that and I'm interested now, but because I just want to hear in plain English, like everything with Mueller has been, well, because of my duty and because of this position, I cannot say this. Nice. We just high-fived.

But, you know, i'm just looking forward to him saying in plain english like what was there you know what like if there's anything because it does seem like there are some pretty damning things in the muller report like when you like look at the obstruction stuff the obstruction stuff and. And also it's just like, there's a lot of weird shit. When you said earlier, by the way, that, uh,

it's not that abnormal for candidates to go to foreign countries to look for dirt. Who else has done that? I mean, I think the Clinton campaign contacted, was it, uh, some kind of Ukrainian intelligence that not,

not the government itself, but some kind of thing. I'm probably going to get pounced on in DMs because I don't actually remember the specific thing. But I think there was also a recent thing about how Obama talked to Iran before he was elected about policy. We had that open mic moment where he was like, don't worry, after the election, we'll straighten it out. Right, right. Which, you know- But that's different than taking actual-

Intelligence. Dirt on your opponent. It's different, but it's all, I mean, that is to me alarming, you know, to discuss, although I would say that the Iran deal was a good thing. I think that cooperation with Iran is a much is, you know, in this in this specific case, it's like not it's not something that I dislike. But on principle, I don't think you should be discussing foreign policy before you're elected. I think that's a very, you know, a problematic thing to do. So I think that contacting, it's like, it's almost one of the forms of corruption that I think seems to happen with enough frequency that it's like, well.

Right, it's not that shocking that somebody might accept a little dirt from wherever they could get it. Right. But what is different about this one is that they were at the highest state levels had a multifaceted campaign to mess with the election. It wasn't like, you know, and trying to get a specific candidate elected. Although I think that that's pretty common, too. And I haven't seen the smoking gun for this would be if the Trump campaign worked with the Russian government in a sort of quid pro quo thing of like, if you influence the election in my favor, like explicitly made this agreement, like if you influence the election by going on Facebook and doing your dumb memes, like, and in return, I'll do a good thing for you.

That would be extremely bad and unusual. Well, that gets back to your emoluments point. You got to know what his business interests are. Right. You know, the Trump Tower in Moscow and all that. Right. But I don't think there is. It's been more of a thing of like, yeah, I'll take dirt on.

Like, you know, we would potentially want to take some dirt wherever you can get it, like you said. But I don't think that there was and i don't think they ended up um actually like that that meeting didn't really go through um but uh i i think that the you know russia kind of like trying to influence a lot the elections with propaganda i mean like that that's also a very common thing for well but in this one they had the emails the whole like coordinated thing with hacking the dnc and releasingC and releasing the emails in a timed manner and them teasing it and knowing when it was going to happen. All that stuff is pretty... So now that was...

Who were those emails between? That was between... John Podesta. All those... They hacked the DNC. John Podesta was Clinton's campaign manager. Is that right? Right, right.

Yeah, that's who they hacked. Okay. You're saying who hacked those emails and then talked to the Trump campaign, right? Right, right. Yeah, that's who they hacked. Okay. You're saying who hacked those emails and then talked to the Trump campaign, right? Because it wasn't somebody in Trump's inner orbit would be one of the arguments. But it was Roger Stone, right? It was Roger Stone. I think it was Roger Stone. And then who had contacted them from Russia?

Because I don't think it was- It was WikiLeaks, right? It was WikiLeaks, right. It was WikiLeaks, right. Yeah, there's that whole weird thing. It's a Guccifer, however you pronounce that, is the Russian... Gucci-fer? Gucci-fer. It probably is that.

No, I don't know. And they actually did the hacking, and then they released it through WikiLeaks somehow. Right. And they may have done that even to get around some of the legal stuff. Yeah, I just don't know. I mean, like, I would certainly, I think that is concerning. I don't know if there was like a...

So it was WikiLeaks working with Roger Stone, is what you're saying? Well, Roger Stone seemed to know about all these things before that. I see. And the whole campaign, you know, there was just these little teases. They would do these teases and speeches. Right, right. I got a feeling on Monday some serious stuff is about it sounds like there's still some questions we have right right Robert

Mueller and I think I think that those should for sure be investigated you know open the kimonos moment and a real real saying you know open your kimonos and show them your b-hole moment yes spread them spread them Mueller by them, Muller. By um, we mean your butt cheeks. We're going to take a quick break. Wait, wait, wait. More like Fuller butt cheeks instead of Muller. Get it? Uh-huh.

Sorry. Okay. We're going to take a break. Fuller. Robert Fuller butt cheeks. Right. Robert Fuller buttcheeks. Right.

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I made a joke during the break. I said, Tucker Carlson, more like Tugger butt open. It's a good joke. Excuse me. Oh, my God. So, Tucker Carlson opened his show. So he occasionally will do these monologues where you're like, wait, what show am I watching?

Is this the Tugger Carlson program that I tune into every night around this time? No, but there are these clips out there where he says things like there was one monologue where he said America's ruling class are mercenaries. He concluded with a demand for America to become a fair country, a decent country, a cohesive country, a country whose leaders don't accelerate the forces of change purely for their own profit and amusement. their own profit and amusement. And basically, it was like an anti, he said, Republicans have considered it their duty to make the world safe for banking while simultaneously prosecuting ever more foreign wars, which seems like the sort of thing you would hear from Bernie bro or, you know, somebody who is on

the far left. But, you know, economic populism, like some of Trump's messaging during the 2016 campaign was you can be on the right and on the left and still be economic populist. It's just Trump hasn't really followed through on that stuff in practice. So recently, Tucker Carlson gave another one of these monologues that we're going to play a clip from where it's not what you would expect from him. What would the world look like now, two and a half years later? Well, for starters, Republicans in Congress would regularly be saying things like this, quote,

I'm deeply grateful for the opportunities America has given me. But the giant American corporations who control our economy don't seem to feel the same way. They certainly don't act like it. We can navigate the changes ahead if we embrace economic patriotism and make American workers our highest priority, rather than continuing to cater to the interests of companies and people with no allegiance to America. End quote. Now, let's say you regularly vote Republican. Ask yourself, what part of the statement you just heard did you disagree with? Was there a single word that seemed wrong to you? Probably not. Here's the depressing part. Nobody you voted for said that or would ever say it. Republicans in Congress can't promise to protect American industries.

They wouldn't dare to do that. It might violate some principle of Austrian economics. It might make the Koch brothers mad. It might alienate the libertarian ideologues who to this day fund most Republican campaigns. So no, a Republican did not say that, sadly. Instead, the words you just heard are from, and brace yourself here, Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. It's true. Bomb drop. Yeah, that is from inside the Tucker Carlson show. No, so yeah, that's interesting to hear him kind of complimenting Elizabeth Warren. But, you know, yeah, that's interesting to hear him kind of complimenting Elizabeth Warren.

But, you know, Nick, you were pointing out that it's not necessarily a credit to him so much as just showing there are similarities between economic populism on the left and the right, right? Yeah, for sure. I mean, definitely, like, Bernie Sanders almost got the nomination on that platform. And I think the enthusiasm that he inspired and the crowds that he drew were for similar reasons on this front to the reasons that Donald Trump drew those crowds. It's like, it's an idea of disenfranchisement. Donald Trump played to it in the shittiest possible way and the most racist possible way. Right. But the disenfranchisement is the point.

It's like the people are, you know, if you play that theme on the left, if you play that theme more, less in the racist way, but more in the like just economics way like Bernie Sanders was doing. The haves and the have nots. That's right. We're all being screwed and we're being screwed by specifically the people who have stolen all the money and glommed it all at the top. You mean it's not by migrant children? It doesn't turn out to have been by migrant children. That does seem to be the

key difference that I was like, man, maybe Tucker Carlson, oh wait, no, he thinks migrant children should be put in cages. Right, yeah. And they're still in that weird, like, who knows what that's about. But there is... I think it's about not being able to view people who are different from you as fully human.

Right, yeah. People are just crazy. But there is this overlap that's potentially encouraging for the left wing of the Democrats, is really the point. If you get to that message and you stay on that message, you will probably win. Yeah. And that was something, we had an article where Republican strategists were talking about what they thought of the Democratic candidates. And their take was all like, it has nothing to do with policy. It's all about how authentic the person comes across. And I mean, I think that is an important factor. But I really do think it does seem to me that like, oh, identity politics is what's sort of like we.

So you have two candidates. You have Bernie Sanders and you have Joe Biden. They're both old white dudes. They're both kind of have. I don't know if you'd call it folksy charm, but some people might. Yeah, I know. That's weasel words. But I don't I don't necessarily see the folksy charm. That's weasel words, but I don't necessarily see the folksy charm, but you know. You're Russian, so you wouldn't really understand. You wouldn't get Russian folksy. It's more like folksy charm in Russia. Right.

It is more not dying of vodka, you know. Dying of vodka. I don't know. I guess that is probably how. A few generations removed. I don't know. I guess that is probably how. A few generations removed. But so it's, you know, they're similar in terms of, I guess, like they're obviously their personalities are different, but they're both like, quote unquote, down to earth, old white dudes telling it how it is.

But Bernie Sanders's platform is way different from Joe Biden's. And so Bernie Sanders fans aren't necessarily, like I wouldn't, I suppose I haven't seen a poll on this, but I would take an educated guess that Bernie Sanders fans aren't going to go like, oh, well, I guess I would vote for Biden in a pinch. Like, I don't think that there's that much overlap. Yeah, I don't think Biden gets the tell it like it is credit though I think Biden is considered by like a Bernie standard Bernie supporter Biden is probably considered to be more of an establishment

like politician politician I mean Bernie Sanders just seemed to be like pure authenticity like I'm just gonna I've been saying the same thing for 50 years I've always been a champion of this stuff proud socialist whatever that's what seemed so bullshitty to me about their take and this this just seems to be the standard i think the standard political

analyst take is like they they have these broad platitudes but then like they applied it like one person was saying buddha judge was the authentic one and then another person was saying a different person was was the authentic one and it's another person was saying a different person was, was the authentic one. And it's just, I think maybe at a certain point, those people's political alchemy ideas held water, but now like we're in a new world and they're having to just use a, like a single point of reference in the 2016 election.

Like in the past they could be like, well, you know, going back to the seventies, this has happened, that has happened. But they were all wrong about the 2016 election. So they're having to just be like, well, in the 2016 election, it was about authenticity or that's why Trump won. And I mean, I think there's maybe a point to that, like, you know, people who have been burned, like all of these people just got sort of piped by donald trump so they're like oh yeah bro i mean you know so but that gives you the sort of the purest

perspective potentially like there you do have to explain it somehow yeah like the fact that he flipped obama voters famously and that he flipped you know some people were bernie voters who voted for trump and i was like you have to figure out how to explain that in some way, some overarching way. People say, oh, it's just that everybody who voted for Donald Trump is a racist. That's one overarching theory. Another is this one, that it has something to do with people feel a visceral... Basically, I think if I understand what the thread is that all these people are trying to get at, you need to engage with people on some visceral, emotional level.

Right. And I think that's not a new idea in politics, that you have to get to people. That's why Donald Trump can do whatever he wants and he doesn't lose any supporters, including farmers that are being actively financially screwed up by his trade fights. They're like, he's fighting for us. They think he's fighting for them. But I also don't know if you can completely separate platform and policy from the visceral level. I think they're actually quite – No, sure.

I don't think you're saying that, but like full disclosure as a Bernie bro who's also clearly a Russian agent. But I mean I'm not, I'm actually not like, I'm not like a fanatic. I don't, you know, I don't have heroes. But I, you know, for me, any emotional connection to a policymaker has to do with what there's, like what platform they have. So if like Bernie came out tomorrow and was like, you know, it's great that we're keeping migrant children in cages. I would hate him because that's a terrible thing to say. So it's connected to policy.

Now, so it's like if someone else, if some other candidate other than Bernie with a different personality is saying the same things he is or similar things, like sort of like Elizabeth Warren, it's like I still feel the same kind of, you know, like, oh, OK, I like what she's saying or I like whatever this person is saying, because I think that a lot of especially younger people are getting more cynical about like, well, just because someone, you know, acts like your friend or something doesn't mean they're actually going to do that. And I think that instead of copying the Trump model, I think it's important to kind of learn from this. Like if you have someone who makes these big promises or says something,

but they're really just kind of playing you to get elected, I think people don't like that. Of course. They don't want that. And that's what his weakness may turn out to be. It may in fact be somebody like Warren who gets to be this, like authenticity. She may get to be that candidate. And like if you have Tucker Carlson saying like,

listen to what she's saying, like she's on her way already, clearly, you know. Yeah. And I just, I don't, it's like, I almost don't, I don't, and maybe I'm just tired, but I don't care if a candidate is authentic. I don't even know what that means anymore. Like I don't know what –

Uncalculated. I don't know what – well, I don't even know. Like I don't know what Elizabeth Warren truly believes. I don't know what Bernie – I mean you can kind of guess. I mean Bernie Sanders seems to have had a pretty consistent platform. So that's a good sign. But I don't – I think it's a lot to do with's a good sign. But I don't- I think it's a lot to do with that, frankly.

Right. I just don't, it's like, what are their intentions? Like, I just don't care what their intentions. I really care about them showing me what their policy is. Like, if someone, if a candidate says something like, well, I want to work towards, you know, more togetherness or something, it's like, that doesn't mean anything to me. Right. Yeah, yeah. Like, I want to work towards solutions. I don't know what that means like that doesn't mean anything right to me yeah yeah like i want to work towards solutions i don't know what that means that doesn't mean anything right you know if you show me a specific platform i mean there's obviously always the chance that you don't follow that platform but i think we all know right right and i think candidates often

will hint like if you if you kind of go back and like litigate, you know, Hillary's campaign or even go back to Obama's campaign. Sure. Like there may have you know, you can actually see things in their platform that, you know, maybe right now would be not at all agreeable to the more populist point of view. So I think that voters just really want they want specific things in the platform that they can point to and say, like, look, I know someone who has diabetes and needs insulin. And like and if you're telling me that you will cover that with a health care plan, that means something to me. That's an actual meaningful position. I don't know how you can get more specific than there's not a red America or blue America. There's the United States of America. I mean, that's that's real.

Bring our buttholes together moment. Done and dusted. Butt to butt. Butt to butt. I'm very cynical about Tucker Carlson, though, because I feel. What? I think, I mean, maybe I shouldn't be, but I mean, obviously he's a lying weasel scumbag. It's not it's not that it's that I wonder like what whether it's like, oh, they see the writing on the wall and they see that this is this is the way to go now.

I don't think it's that. I think he was his main point that he was trying to make. He's trying to shame Republicans. He's trying to say, like, where are my Republicans on this issue? I think he knows that Fox News can lead politicians in their platforms. It's a weird sort of snake eating its own butthole situation. Maybe Tucker Carlson's right about everything. Yeah, maybe he's president.

That's the conclusion. I mean, he did save us from going to war with Iran. I don't even know if we talked about that, but the president said that he was locked and loaded and ready to bomb Iran. And then Tucker Carlson told him basically through the TV was like. No, they talked on the phone. Oh, really? Oh, he said that it was going to make him lose a lot of popularity. And reminded him that he ran on not doing these crazy interventionist wars. That's so sickening, just that we're like, you know, there but by the grace of Tucker Carlson, go we.

Yeah. I'm happier with that than... Not as sickening as if they had started a war with Iran. Look, I will, you know, if Tucker Carlson prevents a war with Iran, I don't know, it doesn't need to deserve like a Nobel Peace Prize or something. Your words, not mine. We're just putting the questions out there. You're the one who's saying that.

Right, right, right. He's a whore. We're just putting the questions out there. You're the one who's saying that. Right, right, right. Well, we only have time for one more, and we have to get this story in, guys. Charmin has put out what they're calling a forever roll of toilet paper. It's impractically huge. It looks like one of those giant wheels of cheese.

But they claim it can last you a month of just near constant shitting. And it's 12 inches, the equivalent of 24 toilet paper rolls. And it's being hailed as the toilet paper roll for millennials because it cuts down on, because we can't afford space. It's so insulting. afford space. So insulting. We all live in a box. And so, you know, we can only... I mean, I do, but by choice.

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, totally. But it's basically the idea that what are the two things millennials hate? They don't have any space to live in and they hate leaving the house. This takes care of that.

You have toilet paper roll that you can eat off of. It can be like your kitchen table. I use toilet paper for everything. What millennials do is we kill industries and we use toilet paper for literally every purpose. So placemats, napkins, paper towels. Engagement rings. Engagement rings. Engagement rings.

Casts if we break our legs because we don't have health insurance. You just wrap your arm in toilet paper and dip it in the toilet and it hardens up. To dress up as mummies or to actually use in funerary rituals because, again, we don't have any money. There you go. But, yeah yeah this is wait so what me so i'm still not quite clear on the concept of what makes this toilet paper so special that millennials a lot of it it's 24 rolls it's big it's real big but they're compact or no no it's just they made the biggest toilet paper roll ever but how's that supposed to help me with space? Because think about how much space

24 rolls of toilet paper takes up. It's like a giant box. Visualizing it. Right. Whereas 20... This is just a giant wheel. Yeah, it's just one wheel. Like a cheese wheel of...

A cheese wheel of toilet paper. Holy crap. It's exactly the size of a wheel of Parmesan cheese. I see. Yeah. That's not going to fit in my little toilet dispenser toilet roll dispenser so that's that is the other genius thing is that they're providing the toilet roll dispensers that's how they get you they get you coming and going yeah it's like the it's like the computer like here's our new apple computer and here's the toilet roll right

wait could you use it's actually on a subscription service i see it pays for itself the savings like six years in your your printing yeah toilet roll cloud that you have to subscribe to they that'd be really funny like an automated toilet uh paper dispenser it has the toilet paper in there but if your subscription runs out it's just like and then it knows that your moment of need and it's like well suddenly the toilet paper in there, but if your subscription runs out, it's just like... And then it knows at your moment of need, and it's like, well, suddenly the toilet paper is now $20. Apply. Yeah. That's how they get you, man.

Get you coming and going. To the bathroom. Get it. Yeah. Jack's never going to let me on this podcast again. I think I literally said what the hell is wrong with you during our break. You did. I've never seen you that angry. I've never seen him that

angry either. Well, Katie, wish I could say it's been great having you. No, it has, as always. Where can people find you? You can find me on the street. No, don't do that, please. I'm on Twitter, at Katie Golden, and I'm also

a bird on Twitter, at ProBirdWrites, and I have a podcast called Creature Feature which is every Wednesday at the same place as you can find this podcast. What is it? It's a podcast on animal and human behavior and you know we're not so different after all and sometimes animal behavior is weirdly human and human behavior is weirdly animal. And that's what we talk on. And I have a comedian on and I explain disgusting evolutionary biology facts to them and they react appropriately. Sometimes inappropriately. Yeah. And then you can follow the podcast at Creature Feet Pod on Twitter, F-E-A-T, or on Instagram at Creature Feature Pod and online at Creature Feature or just Creature Feature Pod dot com.

And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Yeah, there is. This is by Broazay. Broazay? Broazay. Broazay. Name Esquividu. Easier names to read, guys, please. But he writes,

before memes, guys used to sit around in a circle and loudly quote Anchorman and each other for literal hours. That's true. That is true. That's what we used to do. Yeah. And now we have memes. For me, it was Austin Powers. Yeah. And now we have memes. For me, it was like, it was Austin Powers.

Yeah, Simpsons for me. Yeah. It was always, we had friends who said, me and my friend Chris were like, Simpsons Seinfeld, Simpsons Seinfeld. It was more him than me. Right. Yeah, that's, do people not do that anymore? Are they just like, there's a, have you seen that one meme?

Yeah, I don Yeah, I think people just send each other memes now. Yeah, and don't talk. Yeah, and the only time they talk it's to say, my wife. That's right. Jesus Christ. Nick.

Jack. Hey, man, it's been great having you. It's been really fun being here. Did we say up top that you are one of the producers of this show and usually the engineer, oftentimes the engineer? I don't know that we did. Yeah. But I haven't been around in a minute, so credit where it's due.

Too old. Danil Goodman. Danil. DJ Danil Goodman dropping the bombs. For some reason, it was stuck at some point earlier. Nick, where can people find you? I don't do any of this stuff, I got to tell you. I just don't do it.

Yeah, that's admirable. I think you're the first person that we've ever had on the show who doesn't. Is there a tweet you enjoyed or no uh i can't i can't say that there's i think neil michael hagerty follow neil michael hagerty on who's that he's a singer okay do you like his songs or he's a good yeah no he's he's uh he's really good artist also but his twitter feed is good hmm all right well i'm gonna follow him right now uh tweet i enjoyed mark mcgark at markedly tweeted me how do i do my taxes public school shut the fuck up and square dance um you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can

find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talk about. Footnotes! Nice. Is there an echo in here? We link off to the information that we talk about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on.

Nick, do you want to give us a song? Sure. I got one, actually. I got one. Locked and loaded. Yeah. Is that what he said? He said cocked for some reason.

Locked and loaded. Because he can't do anything without making it just slightly worse. Problematic. Song that I'd like to propose is by Kate LeBond, who's a great singer okay Anna I thought Anna was doing

a theatrical yawn I was like oh okay oh Jesus Kate Le Bon is Welsh she's awesome she's got a lot of good records she has a new record

called Reward and this song is called Home To You the whole record is good this song is particularly a fave currently how do you spell that Le Bon

L-E space B-O-N. Look at that. Uh, all right. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, you can visit the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcast? I don't know.

I guess that's where some people listen to podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for today. We will be back. Oh, yeah. I forgot to say that we're going to be covering last night and tonight's Democratic debates in tomorrow's episode.

So tune in for that. Talk to you then. Bye. Home to you is a neighborhood in the night kitchen Home to you is atrocity in the town Home to you's an impasse The hallway's ceilings Oh, to you, I'm a crosshead Stubborn dream, loving and it's cold

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