The Daily Zeitgeist - L8R Reichstag Barbie, No WAY We’re Bad At Kissing 4.9.19

Episode Date: April 9, 2019

In episode 366, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Sofiya Alexandra to discuss how to banish telemarketers from calling you, Modern Monetary Theory, Trump picking Herman Cain to run the Federal Reserve, Kirstjen Nielsen resigning as Homeland Security Secretary, how the Dunning Kruger Effect is selective, and more! FOOTNOTES:1. Banish telemarketers from your phone2. Modern Monetary Theory Finds an Embrace in an Unexpected Place: Wall Street3. MMT – The Good, the Bad and the Ugly4. Herman Cain drops out of presidential race5. Why We Need the Fed6. Trump Says Herman Cain, Ex-Pizza Executive, Is in ‘Good Shape’ for Fed Seat7. Dimon: U.S. student loan debt is ‘now starting to affect the economy’8. Kirstjen Nielsen Resigns as Trump’s Homeland Security Secretary9. Trump is removing US Secret Service director10. ‘It’s way too many’: As vacancies pile up in Trump administration, senators grow concerned11. Not so above average after all: When people believe they are worse than average and its implications for theories of bias in social comparison12. Pessimistic Bias in Comparative Evaluations: A Case of Perceived Vulnerability to the Effects of Negative Life Events13. WATCH: Infinite Bisous - Sole Mate Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th 2017 was assassinated. Crooks Everywhere unearthed the plot to murder a one-woman WikiLeaks. She exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state. Listen to Crooks Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, fam. I'm Simone Boyce. I'm Danielle Robay. And we're the hosts of The Bright Side, the podcast from Hello Sunshine that's guaranteed to light up your day. Check out our recent episode with Grammy Award-winning rapper Eve on motherhood and the music industry.

No, it's a great, amazing, beautiful thing. There's moms in all industries, very high-stress industries that have kids all across this world. Why can't it be music as well? Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. In California during the summer of 1975, within the span of 17 days and less than 90 miles, two women did something no other woman had done before, try to assassinate the president of the United States. One was the protege of Charles Manson. 26-year-old Lynette Fromm, nickname Squeaky. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer, this season on the new podcast, Rip Current.

Hear episodes of Rip Current early and completely ad-free and receive exclusive bonus content by subscribing to iHeartTrue Crime Plus, only on Apple Podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 77, episode two of Dirt Daily Zeitgeist, a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say officially off the top, fuck Coke Industries. Welcome. It's Tuesday, April 9th, 2019. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a.

You can stand me up at the O'Brien. Well, I won't jack down. I won't jack. Hey, Daily Zeitgeist. Won't jack down. I won't jack. Daily Zeitgeist. There ain't no easy gray out. All right. That's plenty of that.

Oh, my God. I've never been here. That is courtesy of Hanuk Swing. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Because you're my Zeitgang. And I'm your mouse crayon Whenever you reach for me I'll hot take all I can And whatever this next line is

Okay, anyway, so thank you to at antilinguist MD for that Celine Dion. The greatest singer in the world. The greatest singer.

For that one. She had a concert last week and I missed it. Oh, really? Yeah, at the Ace. Yeah. Because, damn, that's a pretty

intimate environment. Yeah. I think it was the Ace. Whatever that, don't they have a theater there? Intimate venue for one Celine Dion. For one of the greatest singers in the world? In the world?

Take a canoe. Go to them. Again, if you haven't seen Celine Dion talking about Hurricane Katrina, do yourself a favor and look up that YouTube clip. I said YouTube clue. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious comedian and podcast

host, Sophia Alexandra. Thank you so much. Welcome back. I wanted to make sure that you had a chance. It seemed like you were going to comment on how good my singing was. Yeah. I was just going to say, I've never heard you really break down. Right.

And it was really something. Oh, good. Before the show when he was sobbing? Yes. And I also was going to say it's probably because you're wearing a v-neck today. Yeah. And usually you're real buttoned up. Last time I got business jacked.

This is v-neck jack. This is v-neck jack. He is loose. He's hitting falsettos. That's right. You don't even know. You don't even know what deep v-neck jack is capable of. It's not deep.

I used to rock. I have to just, for someone who actually made the terrible mistake of rocking deep Vs in 2006, 2007. Like trying to get down to the navel? Oh, because American Apparel had that shit, and I thought that was the way. I'm not saying that there isn't a deeper V, but when you can see like an inch and a half of chest hair, that's a deep V. That's also, I have high chest hair. Low T, high chest hair. Where are your nipples?

My chest hair. Like an inch under your shoulders? That's what he's asking. I have a very weird body under here. I would love some fan art of Jack's body based on this discussion. Get on it, Zyde Gangs. High chest hair, shoulder nipples, and just sweat.

Yep. A lot of sweat. Deep V. Oh, it's also a great color of deep V for my sweat stains to come through.

So look out for the picture on Insta, folks. What do you think of the deep V? Stop thirst trapping everybody, okay?

Come on. Let people live their lives. They're like, did you hang that hurt? Oh, nevermind. I fucked that whole joke up. Nevermind. I people live their lives. They're like, did you hang that hurt? Oh, never mind. I fucked that whole joke up.

I'll come back tomorrow. It'll still be good. Let me write that one out. I'm coming off the cuff. I have a question, though. Deep Vs. What do you think when you see somebody in the year of our Lord 2019 rocking the deep ass V?

That isn't all muscle bound. I for sure think that you're like a fuck boy. Yeah. Like, like tries to pretend to be artsy. That's, that's all grand for me. There I am.

You're a local fuck boy. No, no, no. Miles, you're not that deep. I'm talking, no,

no. I'll show you when we get off mic. I have, yo, I used to rock the American apparel fucking deep V. I could kind of picture that. And also I could picture you're in tank tops. Were you ever big into tank tops?

No, no. I feel like that's the stage you're going to get into. Oh yeah. Yeah. What's this summer? Summer 19 is tank top season. Tank top miles.

Yep. All right. Watch for that on Insta. Yeah. He'd be thirst trapping. We are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment, Sophia, but first we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're going to talk about today.

We're going to talk about something that is in the news today. The rude robocall I got earlier. Oh, no, no. Yeah. It's happening. Yeah. The show is becoming your grievance platform. It's just my soapbox.

My place to complain about kids these days. That V is a little too deep, right? He's just getting into his head. Yeah, it's too loose. Wait till you hear the next story he's going to talk about. He's like, Eric Merchant. Loser? I don't know.

I'm like, who the fuck is that? Next up, my neighbor, who, no. All right, we're going to talk about MMT, which is an acronym for Modern Monetary Theory, maybe. See, that was such confidence. I know. I'm an expert on it, so I'm going to explain it to you. We're going to talk about Herman Cain. Yes, that Herman Cain. We're going to talk about Reichstag Barbie going away.

Yeah. We're going to talk about Reichstag Barbie going away. Yeah. And Dunning-Kruger effect, which is one of our favorite topics here on Dirt Daily. But first, Sophia, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Well, I just was searching Alvin Ailey because I went to see Alvin Ailey Dance Company with my mom this weekend. So I was just like reading up on it and looking at cool pictures. Do yourself a favor next time they're in town.

You should go see them. Alvin Ailey is like this black choreographer that started the Alvin Ailey Dance Company. That's like primarily black and they do incredible work. They're like I see dance all the time and they're like the best. And every time they come to town, I'm like, oh, my God. my god so yeah i go into like crazy google mode so um what did you see what did alvin ailey do or rather the dance it's a collection passed away like in the yeah he's no he's not the choreographer anymore but they still do some of the pieces like they do revelations every time they come okay which is like really beautiful um and favorite book of the bible i mean yeah i stand hard for revelations hell yeah yeah man revelations and then they did other stuff that's

like that was like new from the last time i saw them that's just like pieces oh so this is regular you said the last time so you yeah i go every year oh nice this is like now at least five years ago were you a dancer i just love dance okay yeah okay that makes sense not nearly as i was very average at it like what are we talking here like i did ballet forever and i was like solidly average at it and then i was trying to figure out the other day i was like why was i so into like going and doing something that i knew i was not good at because i didn't do that with anything else if i was bad at something i was like fuck this right right but uh then i realized it was because I'm bi and that was the place where I saw all these other girls

and they would always change and be in leotards. And I was like, of course. That's why. I was like, because that's gay as hell. That's what happened. I'm like, yeah, I will put my ego aside to see some titties. I will do that. You know, I'm a very big person.

You have that tatted, I think, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. My right yeah my back piece you've seen it oh that's right okay yep i thought i knew that phrase from somewhere it is huge it is uh impressive yeah i'm committed uh what is something you think is overrated uh coachella whoa i know right you burnt Wow, canceled. No one else has ever said that. But the reason I brought that up is because I would rather uplift something, which I think is better. Couchella. To my friend Dave Rankin, who is a comic who's done our podcast, Private Parts Unknown. Okay. He does this thing every year where he'll turn on the live feed from Coachella,

He does this thing every year where he'll turn on the live feed from Coachella and he'll have like a different room of his house or his apartment playing different stages. So then you just like get high and drunk and hang out and eat with your friends and dance in the living room while going room to room. Got you. I thought you were. Yeah. For a second I thought you said cow-chella and I I was like, oh, it's a bovine music festival. But yeah, cow-chella, I've done that a few times. Yeah, and it's so fun.

It's actually, I like that he respects the different stages in his different rooms. Normally I'm just on the YouTube thing, because it's always usually on YouTube. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. I'm like, oh, they're on. Let's see what's up. Then I watch two seconds and I get all mad, because I'm not there.

That's not right. Well, because I like, you know, when you see live shows, sometimes bands will really do longer versions of songs. And I think that's like the cool part of like seeing a band live. And that's like usually when my phone kicks in, I'm like, oh, they're doing a version I've not heard. Right. Like, have you heard the 17 minute long version of Trippin' Billies that Dave Matthews does? Oh, my God. You read my mind.

That's my other tattoo. Yeah. Well, God. You read my mind. That's my other tattoo. Just the fire dancer? There's one. There's an eight minute drum solo and so much to say. Another day of great Dave Matthews track in the live at Red Rocks one. That's amazing. The Gorge. I'm sorry. Wait, so what did

you say? You didn't say Couchella. You said Couchella. Couchella. You said... Couchella. Couch. Couchella. Ella. Yeah, Ella. Ella, Ella. That sounds fun. I thought you were talking about Stagecoach, the country... You're both right.

It is a stagecoach, and the performers are all bovines. Yes. It's an amazing festival. Very hard to get booked on. Yeah. Very, very hard. Unless you're shooting a star report. You have to turn Beyonce down, because she's clearly not a bovine.

Right, yeah. Can't break any rules. Solange, I read that she just had to cancel her Coachella performance. It really hurt us. Did she really? Yeah, because some production elements weren't coming together in time. Oh, shit. Damn, Coachella.

Which sucks because that new album is really good. Yeah. It's maybe my favorite one of hers so far. Oh, yeah. I mean, she just gets better and better. And for someone who has to live in the most gigantic shadow ever, you're like, wow, way to keep your head on. She'll be like, yeah, I don't get to share this world with you.

I'll just go live somewhere else. She's pushing through. She's a testament to the creative spirit. Seriously. And not living comparatively, you know what I mean? Because I think that's the trap anyone would fall into when your sister is Beyonce.

Maybe the song I'm a Survivor is really based on Solange's experience. You think she ghost wrote it for her? Yes. Or Beyonce wrote it for her to not get too down. Yeah, exactly. She's like, listen to this

when you get down. She's like, can I be in the video? No. No. I made this cool camo outfit. Get it off that camo mini skirt. She's like, actually, our mom made those, and she only made three. Is there an equivalent where somebody's sibling?

I mean, Janet Jackson kind of went. I remember that was kind of strange when she started coming up and had that really dope artistic period in the late 80s, early 90s. Rhythm Nation, you know how to do a thing. Who else? The Wright Brothers. You know how we were always like, that one is super hot, the other one's trash. Orville.

Always fucking talking about it. I think we canceled Orville Wright. I think. The Pep Boys, obviously. Manny Moe and Jack. Yeah. The Bush Brothers. Everyone was like, Jeb is going to be a powerhouse.

The Bush Whackers. Right. The WWF wrestling tag team. Yep. All right, and this has drifted into nonsense, but yeah, I'm trying to think of anybody. Yeah. It's usually kids, too. Like, kids of athletes, I think, really have a tough time.

Like, the siblings one, I think you already naturally grew up with that rivalry that you might be able to turn that into a tough time. Like the siblings one, I think they, like you already naturally grew up with that rivalry that you might be able to turn that into like a healthy thing. But I like, you know, sons, like Michael Jordan's son.

Right. Who was like trying to play basketball and I'm like, this ain't it. This ain't it. Like you shouldn't even, like I get,

I get it. Yeah. You look up and you're like, oh, I could probably do that. I'm the best coach in the world. But no, not really.

Yeah, this would be like if his brother, Larry Jordan, came into the league and started balling and playing a really artistically beautiful but less dominant form of basketball. Aw. That would be dope. I want to see that form of basketball.

Where is Larry Jordan? He's like six foot, maybe. Yeah, he's like 5'11 yeah he's not a tall guy he puts like lifts in his shoes and it's kind of just be like he's 5'7 he's always in a hummer just never gets down off of it he's like I'm very tall I would come down but it's better I'm just gonna stay up here uh what is a myth what's something people think is true you know to be false what did you just come up with oh what's that show oh yeah yeah okay cool a myth is is that a show called married at first sight is not good but guess what is it good is

good i need a new garbage tv show please get in two weeks ago i said i'm trying a lot watch less garbage tv show no but i've learned to sort of categorize the garbage I watch. Like if it's too much like aggro like screaming I'll cut that shit out. No I don't watch any of that. If it's a mess. Bad for the soul. Yeah. If it's a mess though that I can just look at and be like yes. This is a delightful

This is a mess. Delicious mess. Yeah that I'm all on board. And it just wrapped its last season and they're about to do the reunion show. What is the show exactly? Are these people who are forced into marriage, and then they're like, y'all trying to get married? So it's like they screen all these people who apply to the marriage. And by they, I mean a panel of experts, snatch.

Wait, really? A panel of experts or a panel of reality TV? It's people like Sophia and I. Yeah, I think they would be good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be hilarious. Yeah, it's us just being like, I don't know. They look cute together.

I know, but they picture together. Oh, that'll work. I ship them. I ship them. I can picture them kissing. But it is like psychologists and stuff, right? Yeah, psychologists and stuff like that. And then they match two people together.

And then the two people don't see each other until literally the wedding day when she walks down the aisle. And that's the first time they see each other. And then they get married. And then they have like three months to figure out if they want to stay together or get a divorce. And they tell to each other's face whether they're going to stay together or get a divorce, in front of everybody on camera. Do they do it on three? At once, like one, two, three, divorce. No, one goes first and the other one goes second.

Oh. And you can kind of see on the face. Is there like an envelope or something to make it more concrete? No envelope. It's worse. They just look in your eyes and they're like, after everything that we've been through, Miles, I want to get a divorce. Do they ever change their hope? Miles, how do you feel?

I'd be like, I want to stay together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, through, Miles. I want to get a divorce. Do they ever change their vote? Miles, how do you feel? I'd be like, I want to see it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes that happens. You're not allowed to change your vote? You can't change your vote, but sometimes they'll show footage after where they're sitting around and they're like,

what do you guys, well, they're talking to each other and they're like, what do you think, or whatever. Like, no, I still want a divorce. All right, cool. But I can't imagine that somebody would willingly, after somebody was like, I want a divorce, you'd be like, oh, I wanted to stay. Yes, some people, yeah, really hopeful.

Yeah. I got to tune in for that. So what is the alcohol consumption below the surface of this show? Well, actually, what I loved is the most messy, ridiculous couple from this past season. He kept accusing her of drinking too much. And she's like, you told me after you kissed me that you felt dead inside and that you were disgusted. She's like, yeah, my drinking's kind of taking it up a couple notches.

And then after that, it turned out that they'd been having sex this whole time, but in secret because he wouldn't let her tell anybody. Oh, my God. Yeah, and then she was like, I don't know. Maybe Luke is the one. And I'm like, no, Luke is not the one. But in the end, she did not choose him. Good, good.

I do feel like that is the unwritten subtext of most reality shows is like, everybody is drunk. Yeah, who's drinking? And why is that person getting like steadily drunk over the course of the show? This isn't that kind of show. It's not. Yeah, because it's over time. So it's a little more scientific. It's also enough of a pressure cooker on its own.

Because you're just living with a stranger on camera right and then the people that they give you to talk to are like a psychologist and uh i think uh what like a priest or like a spiritual advisor they call him and it's just a little bit what is it ianla yeah that would be great my life beloved um yeah no it's not her but it's a dude who's really nice okay all right i'm checking that out because i need more trash to put on the pile all right well i'm glad we have debunked that myth everybody your worldview has been changed uh i got a robo call today guys and i also listened to an episode of reply all last night that was about robocalls or not robocalls i guess it's just like spam calls yeah uh so i wanted to talk about this

uh what happened exactly that you you just came in you're like we gotta talk about do you like you're like do you get these scam calls i'm like i wanted to talk about it before and then i got this call which i normally would have screened but i picked it up because i was like let's see like maybe this will provide some additional data oh so this is you were inspired by the podcast to actually pick it up entertain this call yeah okay and so today uh I said hey guys I I've told you that I've like want to be put on a list that it like says no call or like taken off the list or whatever and he said I thought I told you to shut your mouth, bitch. And then hung up on me.

What the fuck? Oh my god. Hell yeah. I want to be friends with that person. I do too. I started Googling because they said- That is bold as hell. You said they were from the home center or something?

Yeah, the home center. And I immediately started Googling, not because I wanted to get him in trouble, but because I wanted to talk to him further and be like, yo, that is amazing. That is so funny. Yeah. Maybe you should call back and be like, I was actually being helped by someone. Maybe you can check the logs to see who it was that called me. I feel like I'm actually interested, but I only want to talk to that guy.

I mean, I get it, man. Working in a call center is fucking terrible. I tried it for a second. Oh, for sure. It's not good. But it's funny that you were so sweet. You're actually trying to be nice, and he's like, I thought I told you, bitch ass, to shut the fuck up.

Oh, I could use a nice warm glass to shut the hell up. Yeah. He thought he was going to neg me yeah i'm like okay fine i'll go i'll pay you damn now that you showed me his boss i am interested okay fine here's my credit card info i guess i could take the existing solar panels off my house and put new ones on but do you guys have do you get the spam calls that are like from the same person over and over yeah yeah the same entity oh yeah i have the same one I never make it far enough to know who they are. I just hang up immediately and block that number until they call me for my phone.

When I get scam likely shows up, I'm sorry, boop, rejected off the rip. Right. If the part they get me is when they do it in your native area code. Yeah. And then I start thinking, oh, it's someone in the valley. All right, let me. Maybe it's the homie. Like 310.

This is probably somebody I know. And then somebody's like, oh, hi, are in the Valley. All right, let me, maybe it's the homie. Like 310, this is probably somebody I know. And then somebody's like, oh, hi, are you the homeowner? And I'm like, ah, I literally go, fuck off. And I just hang up. But I'm sure like when you're dealing with that, A, you're probably being paid shit. Yeah. And then you're dealing with not people as polite as Jack being like, I believe I'm on some kind of a list.

Probably people being like, don't fucking call me, I'm gonna fucking fire you type shit. Right, right. Also, you work on commission. Yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly. So probably when you're not making any money,

well, not probably. When you're not making any money, you're like so angry. And then Jack was maybe his last chance for it to make money that night. So he was like, fuck you, you bitch ass.

we should put a GoFundMe together for this man. I think we should all find him, befriend him, make him our hero. I think they're keeping me on the list as a prank or something because every time I say the same thing. And so I went and did research on what you're supposed to do. And they're like, don't immediately hang up.

Don't engage with the telemarketer in any way, which big mistake. I've been being like, I'm like on the fence about this product. I'm like, are you on the fence about having balls? I'm right. No, I just say I don't want to be, don't get irrationally angry. Don't give up mid-conversation and hang up because they'll be like, oh, I believe we were disconnected. And they said, the only thing you can do is please put me on your do not call list. And can you put me on your do not call list? Or don't say, can you put me on your do not call list? Or I don't want to get these calls,

which maybe I need to say those specific words. Please put me on your do not call list. Those are like the magic words that are supposed to legally like get you blocked from their list. But I have a feeling that they are willfully fucking with me because I've made my intent very clear. I would really appreciate it if you put me on the do not call list. And they're just getting more aggro.

Oh, hell yeah. They're like, don't ask us nicely. Say the magic code word. Right. They start calling you at three in the morning. Yeah. Fuck with you. Super.

Hey, Jack, could you wake up a little biatch super producer nick stump was saying that he had a a telemarketing call that like halfway through the guy started like imitating his accent and like started like mocking him basically so through the mic you did not hear it but super producer nick stump said he was started started speaking Spanish to the person on the call, and then the person started making fun of his Spanish. Right. Wow. Which, by the way, totally deserved.

Yeah. Nick trying to pull up with his Spanish skills. Yeah. Come on. ¿Dónde está biblioteca? ¿Perdóname? He's like, yo, this is not what that call is. When Nick speaks Spanish, he speaks in the exact same voice as the guy from the Spanish language tapes. Right.

Pero dóname, ¿dónde está el biblio? Unidad tres, etapa dos. There was this joke. Man, this is a joke for like three people who I went to high school with, but there was this Spanish language CD in class used to skip. So it would be like, unidad uno out to danny and ben sounds like a sick remix man if you did not shout remix when that shit happens you were not a teenager hit him with Real quick. Remix! Ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta- investigative journalist who on October 16th 2017 was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate. My name is Manuel Delia. I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere, a podcast that unhurts the plot to murder a one-woman Wikileaks. Daphne exposed the culture

of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state. And she paid the ultimate price. Listen to Crooks everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career,

you have a lot of questions. Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or, can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do, like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job

and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah. I think a lot about that quote. What is it like you miss a hundred percent of the shots you never take? Yeah. Rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, fam. I'm Simone Boyce. I'm Danielle Robay.

And we're the hosts of The Bright Side, the daily podcast from Hello Sunshine that is guaranteed to light up your day. Every weekday, we bring you conversations with the culture makers who inspire us. Like our recent episode with Grammy award-winning rapper Eve on her new memoir and the moments that made her. It became a theme in my life, the underdog syndrome of being questioned, of the, would they say this to a man? No, they would not. Like, why? That was one of those moments where you're just like, oh, wow.

It was a bit shocking, but it didn't take any steam away or anything like that. If anything, it was more of the, okay, I'll show you. No worries. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry.

Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch.

She is braggadocious. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. Listen to the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. and we're back and uh we're going to talk about something called modern monetary theory right now which i didn't know about uh prior to today and i think that is an indicator of me not paying enough attention to the markets, economics. But yeah, so the idea, MMT is sort of this macroeconomic theory that has proponents that it's like a weird cross-section. It's like AOC, Bernie, and then a lot of like bankers on Wall Street and like economic theorists, like really like advanced economic theorists all stand for this theory. And the idea is basically that government can spend more than we think. And that like the idea that

deficits lead to runaway inflation is like it happens if you have an unhealthy economy. But if every dollar you spend is going into making your country a better place to work and produce wealth, then you should spend that dollar, basically. I think I'm getting that right. So basically, instead of there being a balanced ledger that we should all be aiming for when the government is spending money on government programs and one of the things that they advocate for is full employment. Like everybody who is capable of employment is like, has a job essentially. And so the government should invest until that happens. A lot of economic theorists like look at it like,

okay, well we have to have a balanced ledger. Like, like the government is a household. And so the amount of tax dollars we take in has to equal out to the amount of dollars that's being spent by the government. And MMT advocates basically say, no, it's actually the amount of money we spend just can't lead to runaway inflation.

So just keep an eye on inflation. And that's the only thing you need to... The idea that there needs to be a balanced ledger kind of fundamentally misunderstands what like how that works yeah because like the government is not a economic entity like the government prints its own money that's a fundamental difference they can print more money if they want to and the only thing that should stop them from printing more money is if they are worried about inflation. But otherwise, they should just be creating programs and creating money to stimulate growth. But then so at what point does the deficit actually become a bad thing? Because

we just see it growing and growing. So is this saying, look, don't worry about what the bill looks like because it's being spent correctly? Yeah, basically. Well, I wonder if right now that deficit is actually being spent in a way that's beneficial to the country, right? The theorist Stephanie Kelton said that it's not the deficits don't matter. It's that deficits are not a sign of excessive spending or a forerunner of inflation but they can be too big so it's it's just like basically changing the yardstick that you use to judge like you you shouldn't once you're not like fully uh coming up in the black on the like government ledger you

shouldn't start panicking it's more using inflation as the yardstick that you use to measure whether your deficit is getting too big i should tell that to my credit card company they point to the last seven biggest american depressions or downturns going back 200 years were all preceded by government surpluses so basically they're saying that if the government is running a surplus, then you're kind of fucking with the economy because you're not spending enough and you need to actually like spend to create a healthy society. Has Trump advocated for this theory yet?

He has not. I feel like, cause right, this is sort of kind of the, the way we look at it, or at least the, like the way the government spends money is like because, right, this is sort of kind of the way we look at it or at least the way the government spends money is like every dollar we give in taxes is the budget that the government has to spend money. When really they're looking at is like, OK, what's the budget? This is what we're going to spend.

This is what we got in taxes. Here's the difference. Keep it moving. Right. keep it moving right and that may have been overly simplistic but i think that's the thing that stuck out to me the most is this model that we or i was used to looking at it because i'm not an economist or economist right as it's pronounced as it's pronounced among great magazine um but that was sort of the model but this is uh this is that modern shit. Right. Basically, as long as there's companies and people and actors within the economy there to absorb the government expenditure and spend the money and use it. Oh, to keep it moving rather than overwatering a plant whose cup runneth over.

Right. Then you get inflacione. That's what you have to look out for. Yeah, that's what I thought. I was just on the phone with Paul Krugman this weekend. What did Paul say? That's what I told when I called Chase Bank.

I was like, look, bro, this deficit I have with y'all is not an indicator of me runaway spending, actually. I think we need to change our yardstick for how we look at this. They still hit you with those overdraft fees, though, huh? Yeah, but you know. uh, I give a shot. I told,

look, I told him this is all fake. You know what I mean? It's all, it's all in the ether. But it is true that like sometimes when you get like financial advice, even on like a personal level, you know,

you, you like start thinking of that as an absolute until it, it doesn't even serve you anymore. Like in the beginning, people are like, when you're starting out, they're like, don't have, you know, don't have a debit card. You know, when you're really young, you're like, don't really do the credit card thing because you're going to overdraft, blah, blah, blah. But then like as you get older, you need to build credit and you do need to have credit cards and you just spend and pay them off.

And it actually makes more sense to put everything on a credit card because you get points back and you start like doing all that shit. But like it's the same thing about like moving the yardstick. It's like the rules are different because you get points back and you start like doing all that shit. But like, it's the same thing about like moving the yardstick. It's like the rules are different once you get to a different stage. Yeah, and you just can't, just don't spend what you don't have. Right.

And that's when it gets out of control because like, yeah, like I would, it took me so long to actually trust myself with a credit card because I could not, I was just terrible with my finances. Sure. And luckily I just stuck to that because my dad scared the shit out of me.

He was like, you will be forever fucked if you just have a credit card run away from you. Especially when I was 22 and spending it on fucking weed. Yeah, and when you signed up for the credit card, it was because you wanted to get that weed joke t-shirt. Right. That's what happened to me. I'm like, well, I got a You Promise coffee mug with this I was like wait a minute a Converse all star logo but it's Converse all high stars

it's like didn't even make sense I was like yeah I'll get whatever you want whatever you need I'll sign my soul away for that shirt soul like a shoe alright Herman Cain is back you're off the podcast It's all like a shoe. All right. Herman Cain is back.

You're off the podcast. I'm off the podcast and in the pocket. Yeah. Damn. He's nimble. It's that deep V, man. It's that deep V. The confidence is just emanating off of me.

Trump picked Herman Cain. Wait, wait. I'm sorry. You put it in Miles terms. It overflow with your cup. Yeah, overflow with your cup. There you go. Trump picked Herman Cain. Wait, wait, I'm sorry. You put it in Miles terms. It overflow with your cup. Yeah, overflow with your cup. There you go. So the president has picked Herman Cain to run the Fed?

Yeah, the 999 tax plan guy and Godfather Pizza Lord. Now, remind everybody, what is the 999 tax plan? He was trying to basically, his whole thing was like, I'm simplifying the whole tax code and saying that it would just be a mix of flat taxes. So there'd be a 9% sales tax, national sales tax, 9% corporate income tax. Oh, wow. Cool. 9% and 9% individual income tax to be like, yeah. And like, we'll just make it real simple and we can keep it moving. But everyone's like, oh, that disproportionately hurts like lower income people by being like, yeah. Also, why should a person in a corporation be taxed the same amount? I mean, I know we keep trying to sell this whole – they keep trying to sell the whole corporation as a person thing and it's just like – Yeah.

Well, it's gotten us absolutely nowhere. Yeah. But anyway, so yeah, he's the man with like those really cool futuristic ideas that basically only benefit the wealthy. cool you know futuristic ideas that basically only benefit the wealthy um so you know the thing that's a little bit freaky is because you know unlike the epa the fed like i mean not to say that the epa isn't doing good work but like the fed is really one of those institutions that like has to remain independent because it's like the adult in the room being like yeah hi we're the central bank and like we can't just fuck around. Like, we have to actually make sure we're doing what's right for the economy. Now, what's just good

because people on Wall Street are crowing about something. And, you know, the thing is, the two biggest functions with the Fed are supervision and policy. So on one hand, they oversee like financial firms, like, you know, holding companies and chartered banks within the system. They also like they're just also just the general supervisor of all of these banking institutions. So they they have to make sure there's no no bullshit happening. No fuckery. Just, you know, supervisor. Great policy. Also, they also have to set monetary policy with things that, you know, they have two main objectives, which are price stability and full employment. And like those are like their North Star that they are trying to follow.

So, you know, we've also saw like with bailouts and things, they also can do emergency lending and things like that. So having people who like are not in touch with like, you know, the nuances of the economy or like aren't even economists in those positions is a fucking really bad thing. But a guy who's not a politician is president. So it's like. Yeah.

Well, but here's the thing. I mean, there's no like it's always been the same sort of type of, you know, just wonky economy nerds who like work at the Fed and they get it. And like the last person that he Trump picked or nominated was this guy Stephen Moore, who was like a total—he was like, I'm not really an economist, even admitted that. And he was held in contempt of court. He held his ex-wife over $300,000 in alimony and child support. This dude did not have it together.

On John Oliver, they showed a clip of him just like making terrible jokes. He was just like not the kind of person that would instill confidence in someone running like the country's central bank. And he's just another person that Trump picked off TV and also wrote a book called Trumponomics and just was always just saying really making really glowing statements about Trump's economy. I think what's interesting and like fucked up about this whole period in history is that like it's kind of like we didn't think we needed to say things or like have them in writing or in laws where it's like, oh, only a person who is an economist in charge of the central bank, you know, or hey, you can't appoint someone head of the EPA who doesn't believe in science or whatever, things like that. Like, we didn't think we had to write that down.

Or like, if you've been, if it's been confirmed that you've been accused of sexual assault and like it's on tape, you can't be president. Right. Like, we didn't think we had to put in writing, you can't be this and also be this. Because we were like, oh, well, everyone understands and respects the institution. Right. And we were idiots because not everyone does. Yeah.

And now we're having to like articulate common sense into laws just like to help us be like, yeah, I guess we have to write a law that don't flirt with foreign governments in an election or, you know, hire experts to run these very, very important institutions. Anyway. Next law we're passing, it's like you can't be a murderer and also be our president. They're like, wait, what? I mean, to Herman Cain's credit,

he did have a position as director of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, but that is like just running. I mean, that's a lot of money. Yeah, but that's running the business side of things, like running that. There was no policy work involved with that. And this is like, this is a position where you fucking need that kind of expertise. And it's just sort of going out the window.

Kansas makes less money than like one suburb of Los Angeles. Yeah, I don't trust that guy with our money. Well, I mean, it's a, you know, this is, at least it's better than Stephen Moore, who was just like, I don't really like it. Is it better than him? I mean, I don't know. They're all fucking really frightening people either way when you're not actually having someone. You know, because when you run the Federal Reserve and like sending interest rates and stuff like that, you have to kind of be like really serious about everything. And having like Herman Cain or this other dude out there is just not a good look.

or this other dude out there is just not a good look. And when you see how the market responds just to comments from Trump, like having that from someone who runs the actual central bank could be even worse. But this also comes at a time when you have people like Jamie Dimon, who's like the head of JPMorgan Chase, being like, yeah, student debt is hurting the economy. So you want someone who's understanding we have these other things going on, these other factors in the economy that have to be considered

rather than Godfather Pizza. Right. Yeah. I feel like we need – I don't know. Hold on a second. Let's hear more about this pizza. Pepperoni theory.

I feel like we need things written down. And I also want somebody to start studying what jobs lead – like what experience and what jobs lead to being good in other jobs. I feel like that's not studied enough. And so we give- Like which skills are- Yeah, like I've always thought it was weird that the fact that like hunky A-list actors

turn out to be decent directors is weird rather than like really good actors. Like, and- What are you talking about here? Yeah, I'm like, who are you talking about? Like Ben Affle no, talking about here. Yeah. I'm like, who are you talking about? Uh, like Ben Affleck,

uh, Robert Redford. So it's like, so Clint Eastwood, it's like, it's like people who like, just know how to look good on camera, but aren't necessarily like,

you know, actors, actors. They kind of, so like that, that's just something I've always like an observation i made but i'm sure somebody has like studied this for the head of the fed or something like that and been like this specific job leads very well into being yeah like people who were point guards tend

to be good basketball coaches like things like that like i feel like it's not and only a few like former soccer players actually end up being good managers. It's weird. Not many players actually fall into the role of manager that well in soccer. And it's usually the nerds on the sideline who have just been like, oh, let me get in there and do what I've got to do as a coach. Yeah. Well, I think that Fed study did show that if you are involved

with a successful franchise of pizza locations. Yeah, that makes you the best for leading the Fed. For running the central bank. But I do wonder what he was doing on a day-to-day basis as the head of the Kansas City Fed. It's just managing a business. Right. Because that's what he was in. That's all he was doing when he was doing the pizza thing.

He can run businesses, but that's a different thing. You guys aren't giving him enough credit, okay? It a papa john right yeah oh shit has anybody consulted him yeah that would he's thinking about the whole time oh jesus well let's say a quick goodbye he could be america's papa yeah i mean he's he's the papa in all of our hearts uh Let's say a quick goodbye to Christian Nielsen. You won't have to struggle with that name ever again. Yeah. Reichstag Barbie.

Reichstag Barbie. She's out of here. She had to resign. She's gone. I'm always like annoyed when Christians try to like do a lot with their name. Yeah.

I'm like, you're a Christian. Just live with it. Well, she's Kirsten. Yeah, it's Kirsten or no, it's Kristen with two C's and a three K's. Well, she's kind of like, Oh yeah, it's Kirsten or no, it's Kristen with two C's and a three K's and a silent F. I'm like,

you're all Kristen's. Right. Ooh, wow. I'm going to get a lot of hate mail. I mean, in God's eyes, we're all Kristen's.

So anyway, when the lights are off, we're all Kristen. No, but she's Danish, you know, cause I think she's Danish. I know,

but yeah, come on. Yeah. I get it. Cause you imagine she changed her name in college. She was actually, but she's Danish, you know, because I think she's Danish. I know, but come on. Yeah, I get it. Because you imagine she changed her name in college. She was actually Christian. She's like, I'm actually Christian now. Well, so on the weekend, she had a meeting with Trump that she thought was going to clear the air or like they were going to find a way forward because they have just been butting heads apparently

because despite all the terrible shit she does, she would tell the president like just basic stuff like oh yeah the what you're asking is illegal right and then that just came to a head in like 30 minutes into this interview he's like yeah i need you i need you out of here so i need that resignation yeah and so she came out i was like okay so i'm resigning and the look on her face she looked like she was at peace right she was like yeah and i gotta thank the president but wednesday will be my last day and i'm just transitioning out just so yeah she was already in the bahamas in her mind yeah it's like this is the best decision i've ever fucking made and you know like when you sort of like see what their relationship was it just seemed like what is the freakiest shit is that apparently she just wasn't fucking cruel enough for trump yeah because

he would call her uh this is like in the new york times i think this is this is a quote from that the president berated miss nielsen regularly calling her at home early in the mornings to demand that she take action to stop migrants from entering the country including doing things that were clearly illegal like blocking all migrants from seeking asylum she repeatedly noted that limitations imposed on her department by federal laws court settlements and international obligations uh yeah that were obligation obligations right uh so now you know steven miller i think he's gonna get his shot to just stack this thing with like xenophobe mutant just super villains uh to run dhs because it looks like even also the head of the secret service

also got the boot. Yeah. And it's like, and people are starting to suspect, Oh, you're really just taking everybody out of DHS. Who's actually saying things like, Oh yeah,

that's illegal. And just trying to replace it with just the grossest type of sycophant. Yes. People who are like, uh, whatever you want, whatever you want. It doesn't matter how vile it is.

Do people think that the secret service director getting booted has something to do with the Mar-a-Lago security concerns? I mean, that was at least my first thought, but Miles, you're saying that that is not the case? Well, I mean, it depends on the reporting. A source at the Secret Service saying it wasn't connected. Yeah, right. That it wasn't having to do with the Mar-a-Lago incident, but as they describe it, a near systematic purge happening at what is the second largest national security agency.

And because I think Stephen Miller is now leading border policies, it's like he has to get people in DHS to act out his vile plan, whatever that's going to be. And it can't just be people who know the law, because what they're trying to do is illegal. But anyway, worry not for Reichstag Barbie because your legacy will remain because there are tens

of thousands of children who are still separated from their families and based on an optimistic estimate, it would probably take around two years to fully identify and reunify a lot of these kids to get everybody off that list. That was so fucked up.

So, I mean, honestly, you know, I joke that, like, she was at peace, but I hope she never fucking finds any kind of peace. Yeah. You know, I hope you're treated like the fucking pariah that you are. Yeah. You know, because this is, like, you could have fucking resigned a long time ago, but guess what? You're the face of this policy, and you can run away now,

but the damage has been done. And just to underline another thing, when you think about all the cabinet positions that are vacant right now, there's currently just an acting DHS secretary, an acting defense secretary, an acting interior secretary, an acting White House chief of staff, an acting United Nations ambassador, and an acting Food and Drug Administration commissioner. And these are, he's still yet to actually put those people in there. Like he hasn't even done it yet? It's not like people.

There are certain positions that haven't been filled since he came into office. Yeah, I've read about that. That's like a huge number of positions. Wow. And they say even with DHS or DOD, it's been two months where that position has been vacant and it hasn't been like that. Like the last time there was a vacancy that long was like 70 years ago. Yeah. So adults home. Yeah. No adults. And then also when you look at DHS, there's no secretary, as I said, there's no

deputy secretary, there's no secret service chief, there's no head of FEMA, there's no head of ICE, there's no head of science and technology. There's just like just it's a full on ghost town. Literally no one's home. Yeah. I guess the only thing we can rely on are the courts to actually interpret the laws and, you know, actually make decisions. Strike down some stuff. Yeah. Although they've been packed.

That is the one thing he's gotten busy doing. He and the Republicans have gotten busy doing is getting super uber conservative judges confirmed. Yeah, I guess they did rule that just keeping everybody in Mexico was not legal. No. Well, because he's just trying to basically end the asylum program like by just, you know, pulling up the ladder. And because he quite literally over the weekend was like, sorry, no room. There's no more room. Yeah.

All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017 was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate. My name is Manuel Delia.

I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere, a podcast that unhurts the plot to murder a one-woman Wikileaks. Daphne exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state. And she paid the ultimate price. Listen to Crooks everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.

And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions. Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or, can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for

advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do, like resume specialist Morgan Sanner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it like you miss a hundred percent of the shots you never take? Yeah. Rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. you conversations with the culture makers who inspire us. Like our recent episode with Grammy award-winning rapper Eve on her new memoir and the moments that made her. It became a theme in my life,

the underdog syndrome of being questioned, of the, would they say this to a man? No, they would not. Like, why? That was one of those moments where you're just like, oh wow. It was a bit shocking, but it didn't take any steam away or anything like that. If anything, it was more of the, okay, I'll show you. No worries. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports,

where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really in here. I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on.

From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is braggadocious. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. Listen to the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel

Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. and we've talked before on the daily zeitgeist about the dunning kruger effect uh what's that it's the the daily zeitgeist the daily zeitgeist is a podcast that you and i host oh shit that's yeah is that live yeah yeah fuck. That's where all those people on Twitter. Put your pants on. Yeah, sorry. Yeah.

You're speaking into a microphone right now. People can see you. No, they can't. Not when I have these glasses on. Jack said so. Sophia, we have to explain something about podcasts to you, unfortunately. Yeah. There's a lot happening.

You host a podcast. Right. I don't know what a podcast is. Other than the one that you host. No, I don't know what a podcast is other than the one that you host no I don't know about it anyways Dunning-Kruger effect is when it's basically the people who are

not good at something they don't know how much they don't know and so they think they're better at it than they actually are so SoundCloud rappers and open mic comedians and people who are good at something are fully aware of what they don't know. And so they're a little bit, at least they're harder on themselves when it comes to comparing themselves with the average person.

That's me. Imposter syndrome. Right. So I think we've tended to talk about it when it comes to intelligence. Like, you know, people, I don't know, for some reason, the first season of Jersey Shore always pops into my head as like, as like a thing where

the people, did you watch that? Yeah. Oh my God, he does have trashy watches. Well, he like grew up over there. Wow.

You said that was such disgusting. No, I mean like, like emphatically because I remember like when you're like, yeah, like I go to the shore.

We go to the shore and I was like, for real? Cause he's so not back shit. That's why I remember like when you're like, yeah, like I go to the shore. The family, we go to the shore and I was like, for real? Because he's so not that shit. That's why I'm like, are you for real?

He's not been doing any tanning or laundry or gym or anything. that's why the v-neck. Oh, wow.

That's a laundry day shirt. All right, so when you're making that graphic of Jack, make him a Jersey Shore type bro. Oh, yes,

please. Very tan. V-tan. You actually get a good tan though, so I believe that. Hey man, that means a lot to me. I think we tended to cover it from the standpoint of dumb people thinking they're smart. Sure.

That's how Crash won that Academy Award. It's like a dumb movie for dumb people who think they're smart. It's a dumb person's idea of a smart movie. Yeah. And then they congratulate themselves on it. They're like, we really got it. They're like, did you like it?

They're like, I so get it. Yeah. Right. I'm like, what's to get? It's terrible. The way Matt Dillon was like that white savior to that woman of color. I mean. What about Sandra Bullock and her best friend, Housekeeper?

Everything about that movie is so cringeworthy. Oh, I know. I could just die. So there's kind of been some more nuanced studies that look at the things that people tend to be overconfident about and underconfident about. Oh, shit. And it kind of fucked with me. I can't wait for this list. The things that we tend to be overconfident about.

Having interesting conversations. We think we're more interesting in conversation than we are. I mean, who'd have thought as we talk into these fucking microphones in a podcast. Fuck. We think we're better at getting an animal to like us. Shit. Oh, that's me. Okay.

Your dog Ace was just in my lap. Again, rejected. Right. He loves me. Did you put any lotion on him today? No. Okay, your dog Ace was just in my lap. Again, rejected. Right. He loves me. Did you put any lotion on today? No. Okay, because that's what I've noticed. My dog will go up and start licking people when they have lotion on. And we're just like, oh, he loves you.

It's called skin sauce. Flavor sauce. Flavor sauce. He just loves me for me. It's just my energy. I just vibe really well with him. I don't know what it is. You know how I am.

Avoiding falling for a fraud makes sense oh I'm very gullible oh are you my husband is like stop almost writing checks to people who come soliciting at the door I'm like I don't know

they're in a program he's like they're not in a program I'm like oh but they showed me this cleaning liquid he's like stop it no but it's first of its kind on the market.

You don't understand. It's Trader Joe's bottled water. It's people selling me a sob story. I'm like, I want to support this Little League team. He's like, there is no Little League team. This person is 17. Right. Winning a game of trivia.

That's me. Yeah. Like all of these so far, I've been like, but this one doesn't apply to me because I'm super aware of how bad I am at all these. And maybe not. Maybe I'm worse than I ever thought. You're kissing? Kissing, driving, using a computer, being a reliable friend, and controlling your emotions when it's useful to do so. Okay, way to subtweet me.

Which one are you? What are you overconfident about? Two, probably. Being a reliable friend? I mean, like, you know, I think we all are. Like, I think I'm a pretty good friend, and I bet you a lot of people are like, she is a good friend,

but I think I also probably fuck up more often than I register, because I just remember about what a good friend I am. Self-preservation. Right, because when you fuck up in terms of being a friend, it's usually because you're not even, like, thinking about the thing.

Exactly. So you're not aware of it. Like, a lot of these come down to uh like availability bias i think is what they call it daniel kahneman's book uh thinking fast and slow where they talk about like how we get things wrong because we overestimate the thing that is immediately available to us so like when it comes to winning a game of trivia it's like you just think of all the trivia, you know, and you're like, oh,

I'm going to fucking crush this. You can't, you can't think of the trivia you don't know. So you're not going to be like good at thinking of all the answers you're going to get wrong. And like with being a reliable friend, the thing that we're going to remember is like that time we went out of our way.

We came through for somebody. When we were the hero of our own narrative and their narrative and less the time when you just didn't really think about it but you kind of fucked over your friend exactly yeah so now here's the stuff that people tend to be under confident about which is some of these are uh don't make you feel as good as you might have hoped so recovering from the death of a loved one, where apparently we think it's going to hurt us more than we're just like, just move the fuck on.

I don't know if that's what they're saying. Welcome to the Jack O'Brien School of Grieving. Hey, step one, move the fuck on. How is it that you can make something bad sound good, something good sound bad? What are you doing? Or how do you flex the other way like yo i'm sick at getting over a loved one's death yeah right like bow over that shit

but yeah i don't know oh is it again these are these are all ones that i'm like no but i would be terrible at that so it's it just proves like that these are things i'm probably wrong about in the same way as i'm wrong about the things I'm over. So you're sick at getting over the death of a loved one. I think that I'd be really bad at it. Challenge accepted. Watch out, Jack's wife. Worse than most.

Look who's in your backseat. Oh, God. I'm so sorry. She literally listens to this podcast in her car. Don't turn around, Jack's wife. Don't turn around. Because you're going to see me behind you. We think that we're going to be worse than most at riding a unicycle, which is a weird fact.

How many people did they test who have then ridden a unicycle? And been like, oh, this shit is easy. Oh, I got this. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. I don't trust this study anymore. We think we're, there's a lot of weird ones on here.

We think we're worse than we are at predicting which sports team will win, which seems like there's a whole gambling industry that says otherwise. It was that easy. Yeah. Playing soccer is an interesting one. Why is that one? What the fuck? That's so specific.

What are they asking people? This is so weird. It is so weird. Painting a portrait. But like by the- Painting a portrait? With the specificity, it seems like it indicates, and maybe this is their whole editorial strategy, but by making it specific, you're like, huh, maybe they did like really specific studies.

Maybe they made everybody do each one of the things and then they killed a loved one. That's right. Or did they just list things, right? Or like people wrote these in or something. Yeah. That seems like an American would be like, dude, I'm probably not good at playing soccer. Right, right. Yeah.

No, for sure. That probably is. Because like you'd would be like, dude, I'm probably not good at playing soccer. Right, right. Yeah, no, for sure. That probably is. Because you'd have an ego, right? If you were trying to be like, things I can feel good about saying I'm not good at, it's like, I don't know if I'd be good at getting over someone's death. I don't know if I'd be good at driving a race car, of course. I'm just a regular person. I don't know if I'd be good at painting a portrait and another one making a billion dollars. Yeah, that one makes no sense to me. But how do they figure out kissing?

Do they ask everybody you kiss if you're good or not? I bet there is a study that's like how you rate yourself as a kisser and then how people who have kissed you rate you as a kisser. But how do they find everybody you've kissed? Well, most of these sorts of studies that are like self-reported probably full of shit studies are like done on kids in college basically because that's who's available to academics so the kissing one probably would be easier than getting over the loved one or the death of a loved one i don't i don't know how you study that yeah it's getting real weird but hey but we're bad

at playing soccer painting a portrait though guys go out and try it apparently you will be better at that than you think well Sophia

it has been a pleasure having you on your daily zeitgeist today where can people find you I am the Sophia on Twitter and

Instagram T-H-E-S-O-F-I-Y-A find me let's talk about trash TV together there you go you guys is on Twitter and Instagram, T-H-E-S-O-F-I-Y-A. Find me. Let's talk about trash TV together. There you go. You guys' beloved TV show, what's it called? 90 Day Fiancé. But that shit, you know, I think the government,

we don't know yet. Okay. The government shut down, fucked things up. Yeah, if you think we have not been Googling, when is it back, like every day, you're mistaken. Yeah, I was in a meeting with a uh an executive a streaming company and they were okay you don't need to flex on us and they were saying like see we have access to all this like amazing data that like nobody knows about like who would know that

90 day fiance is like secretly incredibly popular. I would know. I was like, two people I talk to all the time know that. Yo, did you know? I just Googled 90 Day Fiance. No, do you know what is happening? There's going to be a spinoff show The Family Chantel with Chantel and Pedro.

They're getting their own motherfucking spinoff series. I love Chantel and Pedro. They're, first of all, very good looking. This is huge news for three of us. Yes. Wow. Bring the mess on.

I'm so excited. Because her brother fought him at a dinner. It was fucking mess. And then his sister got involved. Jack, woo, boy. Also, the way she makes angry eyes, I am in love with. And her family's kind of whack. They are crazy.

They got that weird American xenophobia. They are like they are like they got that weird American xenophobia shit going on where they're like I don't know I don't even trust them because they're from

the Dominican Republic. Totally. Anyway bit of news breaking news. Breaking news. You heard it here first. Is there a tweet

you've been enjoying Sophia? I just placed an order at the restaurant for all four people in my party who are running late and not here yet. The waitress brought me one set of utensils without batting an eye, and I'm going to tip her $1 million.

Chelsea DeVantes, who I love. Follow her. Miles, where can people find you? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. A tweet I like is a little bit of a quote tweet. It's Mamadou Ndaye, stand-up comedian. And it is an article from NME that says, Machine Gun Kelly and G-Eazy call truce after Eminem's intervention, quote-unquote.

And he says, finally, I can walk the streets again. Y'all both do the same. That's delightful. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people were worried about how that would boil over eventually. I mean, that's why I'm laughing. I was on the edge of my seat. Waiting to see if Eminem would interview you. Yeah, the OG for all the white rappers.

The shot caller. Shout out to you, Marshall. Marshall. Marshall. A couple tweets I've been enjoying. Megan Amram tweeted, I wish they took your photo on emotional roller coasters too. And Birds Rights activist at Pro Birds Rights, who hosts a very funny podcast on this network called Creature Feature. funny podcast on this network called Creature Feature. She tweeted,

why birds decide to go from being big dinosaurs to small puff, you ask, to fit inside Doritos bag. I love that Twitter account. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes.

We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we ride out on. This is from, I believe, a band or maybe one person called Infinite Bisous, like kisses in French. Bisous? Isn't that how you pronounce French? Yeah, anyway, this is from Infinite Bisous, and the track is called Soulmate. And, you know, just like off your joke, S-O-L-E.

Oh, nice. So it's like about somebody who met somebody while buying the same pair of shoes, and then they kissed forever. Yeah, there you go. That's awesome. And you've created a whole story. What a great romantic comedy I just wrote in my head. All right.

Well, that's going to do it for today's episode. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. And we'll talk to you guys then. Bye. Bye. Lately, I've been alone Something tells me Maybe another friend Won't be so bad My way of having fun

Changing slowly I've had fun changing Slowly now I'm in I'm good now, won't be Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was assassinated. Crooks everywhere unearthed the plot to murder a one-woman Wikileaks. She exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning

her beloved country into a mafia state. Listen to Crooks Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadsden.

We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, fam, I'm Simone Boyce. I'm Danielle Robay. And we're the hosts of The Bright Side, the podcast from Hello Sunshine that's guaranteed to light up your day. Check out our recent episode with Grammy Award winning rapper Eve on motherhood and the music industry. No, it's a great, amazing, beautiful thing. There's moms in all industries, very high stress industries that have kids all across this world. Why can't it be music as well? Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

How do you feel about biscuits? Hi, I'm Akilah Hughes, and I'm so excited about my new podcast, Rebel Spirit, where I head back to my hometown in Kentucky and try to convince my high school to change their racist mascot, the Rebels, into something everyone in the South loves, the biscuits. I was a lady rebel. Like, what does that even mean? It's right here in black and white in print. It's bigger than a flag or mascot. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.