The Daily Zeitgeist - Labor Is Winning? Disney Is The New Mask Mandate 4.11.22

Episode Date: April 11, 2022

In episode 1223, Miles and guest co-host Jacquis Neal are joined by journalist Aymann Ismail to discuss… Biden maybe did a good thing for labor…kinda, Disney has replaced mask mandates I guess…, Devin Nunes’ sounds like that kid from high school that can’t stop lying, Coke’s New Flavors Are Getting Increasingly Confusing and more! Biden maybe did a good thing for labor…kinda Disney has replaced mask mandates I guess… Two key tech execs quit Truth Social after troubled app launch Coke’s New Flavors Are Getting Increasingly Confusing The Internet Is Baffled By Coca-Cola's New Starlight Flavor Coke's latest flavor is here. And it's a weird one READ: slate.com/author/aymann-ismail LISTEN: Neck & Wrist (feat. Jay-Z and Pharrell Williams) by Pusha TSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's season 232, episode one of the Daily Zeitgeist, the production of By Heart Radio. This is, this is, this is, this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Monday, April 11th. You know what it is it's 4 11 what's the 411 i don't even know if that's an actual holiday but remember 411 old people uh it's actually national teach children to save day also world parkinson's day but teach children to save day that kind of resonated with me as somebody who grew up completely financially illiterate okay and it was i didn't start getting my shit together till my late 20s and even then i was like man i don't know if i really need to have my shit together uh turns out you kind of do my name is miles gray aka there's a place off ocean boulevard where we'd

watch grand prix and smoke blunts large covering trends on the daily, giving hot takes about the alt-right. Shout out to Fighter of the Nightman on the Discord. Yes, the Long Beach Grand Prix just happened. And for people in LA, that's like the first, like, I think it's like one of those events where your parents would get free tickets to their work. And then they're like, I don't know, I got these free tickets to see some car race in Long Beach. And you go and like, you have the worst view. And then you're like, totally off motorsports after that. But it's a significant time of year every year. But enough about me. Allow me to reintroduce my guest host, the guest co-host with the mojo

straight from Chicago, Illinois. This is a very talented producer, podcaster, comedian, host. I mean, he's got he's got already selling out shows With his comedian family feud show That's live at the Elysian Theater Check in for details Because it will be ongoing It will be iconic every single time Please welcome to the stage

Jack Heath-Neal Now I want y'all to turn y'all radios down I know you're used to me coming on the show And singing Lil' Dude Diddy I know you're used to me coming on the show and singing a little do-diddy. I know you're used to me coming on the show and massaging your ear holes with some beautiful lyrics and tunes. But you know what? We didn't have a Black History Month this year. We got a new Black Woman Justice.

White people, I want you to sing for me. I'm going to be silent for 15 seconds, and I want you to freestyle a song for me. All right? I want you to sing to me, and I'm going for 15 seconds and i want you to freestyle a song for me all right i want you to sing to me and i'm gonna feel it i'm gonna feel it i want you to set my week off right because i'm in motherfucking mexico right now that's right wow you didn't record this on monday morning international that's right international so go ahead 15 seconds this is for you everybody moment of silence for the white people to sing for us the the people of color in the world today go ahead go ahead y'all oh oh wow oh shit oh damn okay shout out oh oh beautiful oh that would thank you oh and as usual as we start every show yes what up niggas how we doing today how we doing uh the white people

saying for us today y'all go ahead and thank them thank them wonderful day wonderful day yes hello miles how are you what's i'm good how are you live you're you're international you're an international player internationally known locally respected yes yes i'm uh i'm good you know i'm trying to get a little tan, you know what I'm saying? Because you can never be too black. You can never be too brown in this Cabo sun. And it's feeling great. It's feeling right. I feel fantastic. And I'm going to come back to America a brand new man. Sound quality is fantastic for you being outdoors right now. I got to add. Yeah, man. It's unbelievable. You sitting in the sun on the beach. Wow.

Let me tell you something, man. I don't tell people this too often, but I got, you know, you remember that show Captain Planet? Yes. All the five elements, the rings. I got all those rings, and all I do with them is make everything shut the fuck up around me. You're like, winch. Water, get the fuck out of here. Water, be quiet.

Heart, be still. Be still, my heart. Fire. Be still, my of here. Water. Be quiet. Heart. Be still. Be still, my heart. Fire. Be still, my heart. Fire. No more crackles. So that's why. That's why I sound so good, man.

I'm using my powers for good. For podcast quality. Love to see you winning. Love to see black people winning, enjoying the sun. But let's introduce our guest today. Let's do it. One of my favorite people to speak with you may know his work from slate uh where he works as a journalist he's also an amazing photo journalist

podcast host producer and just a wonderful representative of what greatness can come out of the garden state of new jersey please welcome our guest today, Amen Ismail! Oh, there he is. Thank you so much. The white people were so good. I was not expecting all that acapella. It was amazing. Yeah, it was fantastic. The harmonizing. It's wild too. What a day because this Monday, April 11th is also a National Barbershop Quartet

Day. So they really dusting off those vocals. I'm not joking. That's one of the days today. No, I know. I believe you. It was all meant to be. So thank you, Jaquese, for creating the space for us to be just serenaded like that. Eamon, what's good, man? I know you're dealing with parent life.

And like many people in the pandemic,'s kind of grinding you down a little bit so i want to complain but i just love this kid so freaking much that it just feels good to be tired all the time and and feed him stuff you know so he's got like two little teeth it's like little bunny rabbits sticking out the bottom oh you got two okay and so i'm just feeding him what i'm eating and it's it just feels good i like i'm actually really happy to be a dad now, but I've got like a book that I'm working on. I've got a podcast that I'm working on. I've just got so many, so many pans on a fire right now.

So many, so many things blistering up and feeling good. So, you know, I'm sure. Did fatherhood just kind of like awaken a new level of motivation for you? Like when you're, I'm sure like on your way to being a parent, you're like, wow, man, like I'm really, I'm about to have a child. I got to like, I'm going to hold my kid down. But are you now like, even as you're there physically in the flesh, what has that done to your brain?

You know, I didn't expect this to happen, but I feel like I have much more appreciation for downtime. Like before I would just kind of pull out the phone, mindlessly scroll, doom scroll. Sometimes I'll just like play FIFA for hours because I have nothing else to do. Now I'm like, oh my God, this kid's going to be napping for an hour.

And that hour I can get so much done. And it just, there's a lot of small wins throughout the day that keeps you motivated. So this thing has been a blessing, man. He's been, he's honestly been the best thing that happened for my career too because I've been milking him like crazy for content. Right, right. This book and this podcast I'm working on are both about parenthood.

There you go. It turns out nobody's written a book about being a Muslim American dad. So I'm trying to take that market i'm trying to show up at the airport kiosk right exactly just on your way they're like hey brother let me talk to you before you get on this flight with your kid have you have you heard the good word yet it's a good word from brother amen okay okay i'll be out there i'll hawk that shit on the corner just being like hey man get up on this all right well amen we are going to get to know you a little bit better but let's

let's tell some people not some people all the people that are listening right now what we're gonna touch on uh joe biden the administration they maybe did a good thing for labor maybe who's who knows we'll have to see how this all shakes out disney has i think energetically now just replaced like mask mandates i guess so we'll about, you know, how the right is now being like, yeah, let's just put all our energy into this thing now, because that's certainly what it feels like. Then we'll talk about Devin Nunes just sounding like a kid, that kid from high school that like would tell the dumbest lies to your face. And you're like, bro, you're lying right now. And you're still saying this to my face. We'll talk about his defensive truth social

and how much of a disaster that's been. And then we're going to have to come for a Coca-Cola because they're they're they're walking out with these like flavors that I have no idea what they mean anymore. So we will discuss what those are and what's even the point anymore of any of this. But first, Eamon, was something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Amen. What's something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Okay. So something in my search history, I was looking up for how to discipline a 10-month-old.

Oh, my. Because discipline is such a big thing for me, man. I don't know about you guys, but I just grew up with the wrong kind of discipline. And I'm not trying to repeat that and pass that down. So I've been looking everywhere for any kind of example of something that works. Did you get spanks growing up? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I got spanked.

My parents would open the kitchen drawer and be like, you choose what I'm going to hit you with. And it was like that kind of thing. Choose your destiny. And I didn't always deserve it. But, you know, I think everybody from my generation had something like that. Yeah. But I don't want to do that at all. I don't want to do that at all because I was so afraid to talk to my parents about anything.

Yeah. That's the wild thing. You don't realize how it manifests too because as I think of, you know, like I'm, you know, just got married and thinking about, you know, having a family and what that looks like or even just thinking about my own childhood. I'm like, yeah, man, the kids got to respect you like I did. And like how I was made to respect my parents. But I was like, you know, that also came with a bunch of other bullshit that i'm having to like deprogram myself

with because of the like little bit of that little bit of fear that you live like with as a kid that can manifest in a lot of other ways so but what did the internet say kind of swings in the other direction too because there's a whole cottage industry of what i think is just to be like fake advice you know right it's like trying to pull the kid aside and explain to them and reason with them i don't know how many kids you guys have interacted with but like little kids don't have logic no no you're not gonna be able to explain something like that but you know to that point i have some friends who are like that with their kids and the first time i was like these white people what the they trying to reason with their kids and was my first instinct right and then i was like then checking my own shit i'm like well i was screamed at with like the force of a thousand suns and like yeah that definitely

put me in one lane but that kind of made things rocky a bit but i was surprised they were actually pulling this shit off they're like hey look at me like breathe it out they're like you see you can't do that and they're like are you okay okay but like in a way that obviously they're not like fully being like you know contrite or whatever but in a way that i've never thought like when i was putting myself in that kid's shoes i was like bro there's no way i would earn any of this shit yeah yeah you'd almost wait for them to finish talking just so you can go back to whatever you were right right right yeah you almost need to to have a little bit of fear in your heart but i don't want them to be afraid of getting hit. Nah, nah.

I'm looking for something else. Yeah, well, you can just do what my grandma did and make them believe in the devil and that they'll go to hell if they do bad shit. So that's that psychological trauma. That psychological trauma. You can do that. You can do that if you'd like. It don't work either. trauma you know you can do that you can do that if you'd like it don't work either but it does help that i'm muslim and god gets really specific about what the what's yeah like this is does hell

exist in islam yeah and god just has like a field day in the quran about like you know you're if you're a girl you're gonna get hung by your nipples and oh your brain will be boiled and that's like the least punishment you'll get. Right. It's like really creative. Do Muslims have like a fear of hell like Catholics do? Like that Catholic guilt that creeps in with like the idea, you know? It might not be as strong. How is hell tactically deployed to kill people?

The Muslim version of damnation is it's like temporary, right? There's like a Hadith that said that uh one day hell will be empty because it's almost like a prison term once you do your term you're going to be taken out of heaven to heaven oh shit yeah i like that that's progressive if the nipple hanging is temporary or the blood boiling i'll get it back yeah yeah and you get me up and there's like in islam there's so many stories about redemption and we talk about god is like the most merciful thing that you can't even comprehend how merciful god is right and so there's like stories where like this person was terrible their whole life they murdered a bunch of people and then right before they died they

saw this dog in the desert that was thirsty so they took off their boot they dipped in it well fed the dog and boom they went to heaven. So this is like weird. It's not so, I think there's a little bit more nuance in Islam where it's like you could, you just have to do more good than bad. Right, right, right. It's got to net out to being positive. Or just do a bunch of bad shit, but do one good thing a day. And just in case that's your day, just in case that's your day, you go. Always end it on a high note. Always end it on a high note. Always end always ended on a high note always ended on always in the day

on a high note everybody is there an age where like a 10 month old even has like the cognitive ability for anything to work or at that point was the article being like bro come on it's 10 months old yeah that's pretty much what the article said yeah the article was like wait wait a couple years you know one thing that i wanted to stop doing though, is just swatting at people's faces. He knows he's not supposed to do it because every reaction he gets is a negative reaction. But he'll just let you pick him up. He'll get you close.

You're going for a nuzzle. He'll just swing his arm and catch you. Wow. I want him to stop doing that. Maybe he's asking you to respect his agency, bro. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I mean, that's the thing. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He's trying to get up in my grill like that?

Slow down. I was born with six feet of distance, baby. Get out of here. He was born in the era of social distancing. Stop breathing in my face. Right. It's like, ugh. No mask?

I shouldn't have showed him that clip of Will Smith. That's what I should have done. That's where I messed up. Eamon, what's something you think is overrated oh this is gonna be a little weird but uh but legos here's why i think legos is overrated man uh you you buy something for like 60 and it comes with like 80 pieces right like there's so many there's so many pieces that you need to just be creative and just have fun and build your own stuff. But I've been looking into like toy back to the baby shit,

uh, looking into toys that I can like help my baby like develop some cognitive connections between his body and his mind. And so I got like these big blocks and he just, he's not there yet. So, and they're freaking expensive. They're too expensive for me to be like,

you know, I'm going to put them away. You can play with something else. Right, right. So it's been a little, they're overrated, man. I also think like Lego, Lego as an adult, you know, when I see Legos, like I thought about buying a Lego set like a couple of years ago and build it.

It was like of the Sears Tower or some parts of the Chicagoago skyline i was like oh that'll be dope i didn't buy it but i feel like they are bad at advertising the kids as well because we know i never had a concept of building what was on the box when i had legos as a as a shorty it was just yeah you know this this piece going here you just i would be build guns and shit right i wasn't building what they were saying to build on a box. Did you inherit a bunch of Legos? I inherited a bunch of Legos from like a family friend who got older.

So like one day a fucking like suitcase just came to my house. Maybe. With so many Lego pieces. But there, I didn't have them. I was building just bad looking like shit that sucked. Because I was just not. looking Like shit that sucked Cause I was Yeah Just not

Free Legos are underrated Legos you have to buy Are overrated That's what I'm saying Oh yeah free Legos Free Legos like in a pit Oh yeah Like give me a blunt

And I will fucking I'll battle anybody Like if you wanna do Spaceships No instructions No box But the second you buy Something that has

Some kind of instruction And then I was looking Into this stuff For like adults While I was shopping for my kid too. And, you know, they have something like the Colosseum, like the Roman Colosseum. Right. And I looked at the reviews and it's like, this is the biggest set ever. This is amazing.

But then it's like the same, like one page instructions a thousand times to build like the whole roundabout. So I'm like, you're just trying to numb people in a way man that's kind of how i felt about it well i think it's i think legos are that thing right where like it works for kids like the like i see even my nieces and nephews they play with like the stuff that's like from ip that they fuck with like on tv and shit like the star wars lego stuff or other things that are like you know shows they know and those are like little kits and but for adults i think adults see these things as like these collectors items that you just build out of legos and you leave there and for me as a kid i remember like having a set like where i built like a land speeder or some shit from star wars and then part of me was like man i don't like i'm not gonna

leave this shit on my shelf like i need to play with shit so then you inevitably start breaking it down yeah and then you and you completely ignore how you made it again and now you left with a bunch of landspeeder shaped pieces so i think adults and kids also interact differently i don't know that's my theory that makes sense but i think labels and play-doh are probably more for adults because we can do shit with them and for kids it's just i like you brought play-doh in the mix well what do you do what's what do you what adult the adult play do you do with like uh play-doh hey man i'm gonna need you to stay out of my business okay all right yeah no all good all good yeah hey do you do you i know i'll be coming on this shit but there are some things

we gotta leave secrets all right yeah it's my bad it's play-doh sounds sus man yeah yeah man just play-doh this play-doh play-doh it's a fun time you know what i'm gonna just play dumb instead how about that uh but yeah i think again let us know about legos i can how do you feel about it dial in callers listeners because i think we're at that point now where you see lego's kits kits on stock x like there's a there's a resale market for the stuff that's meant to like appeal to our sense of nostalgia like i remember i tried to buy the the home alone house the lego home alone house to build like over like new like christmas break because i was like fuck it i want i want to make some lego shit again that shit sold out so quick and then it's like expensive on stock x there's like a new back to the future set like a delorean that shit is so fucking like 10x priced up on stock x i'm like what the fuck who is that's what you like too

expensive it should be handed down always don't ever buy lego pass it down yeah exactly yeah exactly that's a good point. I'm surprised they're not like community centers where they're like, dude, bring your Legos in because like they're essential to our like spatial reasoning skills. And like, you know, nurturing our little engineering hearts as children. Yeah. Don't know. Don't know. Eamon, what is something that's underrated? Oh, OK.

So this is something that's at the top of my mind because I just filed a piece to my editor about it this week. Yo, Miles, this piece is like 6,500 words long, man. This piece is like 10 pages. It's all about the book banning influencers of Facebook. And there's like these moms who are very aggressive about getting other moms radicalized and involved about these books that are about LGBT, about race, about things that, you know, progressives have been really trying hard to get the country comfortable about talking about, but they're trying to get these books, uh, not just thrown out of schools, but in the public libraries, they're trying to limit access to all this stuff. And so I tried and I tracked down some of these pages where these moms are, what they're doing is they're reviewing books on their own and making

lists and Excel documents and PDFs and sharing them around saying, Hey, check your school for this book. Right. And they're not like, they're not like that bad. They're books about just like their memoirs written by black writers, their memoirs written by LGBT writers. And they're trying to say that this stuff is profane. Like imagine how you have to feel in your insides about feeling about somebody else's lived experience being profane. It's a lot. It's heavy. But they're really successful, man. So I focused in on the library in Jonesboro, Arkansas, where there have been just, you know, we've been seeing with the school board meetings. Exactly the same thing with the crazy torrents of parents being very aggressive and angry with the library board.

Specifically because they had an LGBT display for Pride Month that happened like a year ago. And so it's the Overton window for what is acceptable and not acceptable feels like it's shifted in the last year. Right, right, right. Where now these parents are getting online and they're organizing and it's actual grassroots. It's not AstroTurf like what we've seen before with the GOP. Right, right. So these actual concerned moms have been radicalized

and now they're radicalizing other moms and it's not going away anytime soon. So I think that's something that is underrated and we should be maybe strategizing a little bit more talking to these people more trying to understand it more right because i think a lot of people don't realize too i mean just you think of the during the civil rights movement like the role of mothers to kind of keep civil rights from progressing and like the new language that mothers were able to create then the backlash of keep civil rights from progressing. And like the new language that mothers were able to create in the backlash of the civil rights movement succeeding was to begin to

emphasize a lot of these issues through the lens of motherhood or parenting as a way to draw back a lot of these gains that have been made. And yeah, like when you hear when like like you're saying now to just say, oh, wow, this story of you growing up poor and black, that's this is this is going to damage a child. But again, I think it's so transparent at this point that we see that anything that would potentially give expand someone's worldview that wouldn't make them completely very susceptible to misinformation. I mean, that's that's threatening information.

It seems, you know, what's what's wild about it is that these parents aren't encountering these books in their libraries, right? They're encountering them on Facebook. And so when they encounter them on Facebook, they're seeing just the one page where the author might describe being violated by their uncle. Right, right. And so if the author is writing about that, they're going to say, look at what they're trying to force feed to our kids. Kind of like what they're talking about the Disney trying to groom kids, right? They're using that same language. And so when they send out these lists of hundreds of books, and then these parents will just blindly not read them, not find them. They're just going to call their libraries and ask them,

hey, do you have this book? Well, this book has X, Y, Z in it. And so they're going to flip out and they're radicalizing other parents and getting other parents involved and i spent some time on one of these facebook pages and miles i gotta tell you man there is like as a parent too i can kind of see what's upsetting about all this stuff right because when you just take these one pages from however many books and put them all together it does somehow look like the library is trying to enforce some kind of sexual agenda or racial agenda but these are just one or there may be like a hundred books but like they might be like one of ten thousand that they have access to and even then what are the chances that their eight-year-old and nine-year-old are going to go and encounter beloved or something

right they're looking for books on dinosaurs and trucks right that's their kind of thing so they're saying don't don't enforce us don't don't try to act like sex educators when you're just supposed to be stalking the books talking library of books and to a degree i kind of you can see the logic there it's not if that were true like if all of these books were just right he's like terrible scenes reap like over and over and over again, rather than like one tiny speck of information in a much larger, you know, written work. Right. Maybe. Because it's very manipulative to, you know, it's manipulative.

It's Facebook. Yeah. It's Facebook. Yeah. So it's, you know, you know, like I know I would never do this because I'm not a fucking terrible person actively, but I know that I could currently inactive on the roster. We don't know what we do with Plato. So, you know, again, we're going to keep that. We're going to keep that on the DL. But but, you know, I know that I could take a page and put it on Facebook because I know there are people on there who wouldn't do the necessary extended research. Right. And so when you take people who operate on bad faith like that,

they know what they're doing. They're just trying to fit an agenda. And I don't know the reason why, you know, but I mean, I do know the reason why, but it is a disappointing reason why. And it's very surprising that it works, you know, because when we were younger and the Internet was supposed to be this great wealth of information. And then, like I said, people of bad faith will use it for misinformation to basically just push their agenda toward people who don't quite get the Internet. You know what I'm saying? Or people who do, who just like to see what they like you know oh yeah this fits into my fear you know this fits into the box of you know if anything's presented in a persuasive enough way and it appeals to your emotions at some level like yeah you're gonna be more open i remember being like in college being some contrarian stoner and watching loose change and being like yo bro i just seen the matrix of 9-11 fam like you're ready

and that's the kind of shit and it's like and at that time it fit because i had a very specific way of thinking this was reinforcing that it helped me feel like i was actually like i see i'm actually seeing the matrix y' the matrix while y'all are just doing your thing. And yeah, and we see that extended and reiterated in different ways. And now we're at this point too, where Facebook does have this thing where now it has this feeling of like concerned parents because on, on some level it is, but it's, you know, the aims are insidious, obviously, because we're just back to where we're running.

If I could say that one of the reasons why I'm so excited about this piece is that, you know, as a journalist, especially in this crazy cog of a giant machine that every journalist is a part of, it's so rare to encounter a story like this that you feel like you can actually get some truth out. Right, right. That's also already being talked about in some degree in the ether that you know is going to get clicked and you know is going to, it's kind of tapping into a larger conversation that people are already having about critical race theory and LGBT rights. You know, and this is one of the worst parts that I think is part of the parcel when you do become a journalist is that we gauge success now by however many clicks your piece gets. And it's impossible that that doesn't influence the

kind of stories that you eventually become interested in. So I'm so excited about this piece because this feels like an opportunity to actually go and do some real investigative work that is already tapping into something that people are concerned about. So this is one of those rare moments for me where I was just- Win-win. I got to go all in. I got to spend like a month on this piece. I'm telling you, it's like 10 pages long.

And just, it's one of those reaffirming moments for me as a journalist where it's like, oh yeah, this is why I became a journalist. When are we going to get blessed with the writing? Oh, I mean, it's so long. So maybe another two weeks. Okay. All right. We'll come back.

I'm not worried about getting scooped because it's so much work. No, no, not like that. I'm just saying come back. When it drops, come back and then let's just fucking lay it all out. Yeah. No, that'd be sick. When it drops. That way everybody can get the knowledge.

All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. everybody can get the knowledge. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview

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the captive audience meeting or meeting. And it's one of the union busters most coveted tools because, you know, when workers even start talking about backing themselves and unionizing, the process of shutting that down starts basically immediately the second management catches wind of something like this happening. So already, workplaces will do things like prevent people from leafletting or using company property to have a meeting to discuss unionizing. It has to be done all off of the company's infrastructure, essentially, because they don't want people, they'd want to take every organizing tool away from people. But the captive audience meeting is where a lot of people end up getting

really shook. And this is a thing that I think has been talked about. I mean, we always reference it because we've talked about the historic unionization that happened in New York at that Amazon warehouse. And also we talked about Howard Schultz last week, the Starbucks CEO who's basically begging more Starbucks, as he calls them, partners to maybe not think about unionizing. But these meetings are usually mandatory where some fucking corporate goon comes through and filling people's heads with bullshit.

Like unions are like, I can't believe it. That this union you want to join. I don't know if you guys heard about it. They're like so fucked up and corrupt. Like it's a bad look. First of all, to like even align yourself with these people. Also, do you know what they do? They're going to steal all your money in the form of union dues that they tell you is actually

going to help you when what it really does is they take that money and they buy yachts and stuff. That's what they do. That's how it works. And it's like, no, that's actually the people we're trying to protect ourselves from that cut our checks. But okay. And it's and those are the kinds of that's like the energy in these kinds of meetings. If you speak up and ask questions, like there's plenty of anecdotes from people who have been in these meetings at any company where if you start asking sort of pointed questions, those just start shutting you down. They'll be like, okay, this is my meeting. Like you need to stop talking. Okay. And you guys just need to listen to what I'm saying. And the bottom line here is that these are such transparently coercive, you know, maneuvers to stop people from unionizing. Like, you know, the idea that you're going to hold

someone's job over their head so you can hear about the terrors of unionization and like how it will absolutely negatively affect your life is basically the hostage situation to prevent you from actually advocating for yourself. So the PRO Act was passed in the fall by the House, and that was actually addressing things like these captive audience meetings. But because it only passed the House means it has to go through the Senate. So we don't really know when that will be fully become a law and we can officially do away with it. So in the meantime, the National Labor Relations Board is basically saying, like, I think maybe we need to change our stance on this because for the

longest time, it's sort of been accepted that these are legal that it's okay for companies to do this but the head of the nlrb is now saying you know like this is kind of some fuck shit so maybe we need to actually amend what our official stance is on this and this is where it kind of becomes a double-edged sword some organizers say if the like national labor relations board says captive audience meetings are completely out of the question, that it's a slippery slope in the sense that one, if you do away with making the meetings mandatory, it offers a way for management to begin to identify people who might be pro-union based on their attendance at these meetings. And that would allow for them to deploy some like asymmetric,

like harassment campaign to try and chase them out of the company or find some dumb reason to fire them. And then on the other side, though, by having them kind of mandatory, allows people to actually have to be there and like turn up basically, there was an interview from in these times that they were talking to the organizers at the new york amazon facility and they basically said because it was mandatory that gave us a moment to get really loud and draw attention to the fact that we needed a union and that had a lot of people who were on the fence be like organically asking questions being like why did you have them leave right now shouldn't we also hear like why it's good because Because we're only hearing that it's bad. But every time they try and bring something up, you guys are trying to kick them out. So we'll see where it goes.

But I will say this. There's nothing that'll get me fired up to do work. And you forcing me to come do work. You know, right. Like, because if you don't, and I'm just left to my own devices, then I'm just going to chill at the crib and do whatever. But and I mean this in like an activism way. But if you're forcing me to come to a meeting and you're forcing me to be here, all I'm going to do that whole time is thinking like I shouldn't be doing this shit. I'm going to make sure I'm going to make sure I don't have to do this shit.

sure i'm gonna make sure i don't have to do this shit right you know the hard part is most people they go to these meetings and they hear like yo man this could fuck the company up this this could threaten your job this might threaten your job and they start putting that in your head and now suddenly you don't give a fuck about humane work schedules or pay or benefits because now you've you've had this existential threat like just put right in front of you and yeah that's that will absolutely affect how you vote when it comes to membership but meanwhile the chamber of commerce simps are in full force out here saying shit like well if companies can't intimidate their workers it will quote silence job creators the consequences will be disastrous uh-huh i don't see why they need to not be silenced like what you got to talk for you're just giving jobs we know what you're there for

you ain't got nothing to say but these people you don't understand that they that what they're asking for could absolutely decimate the company financially it's like they want to steal from us or something the ceo of starbucks uh i't know. Did you guys see this video? The CEO of Starbucks. Oh, yeah, the NFT. Maybe like a few days ago. Yeah. He had a meeting about why unions are bad, and he compared it to assault.

Yeah, he said we're being assaulted. American corporations are being assaulted by people's unionization efforts. That's hilarious. American corporations are being assaulted By people's unionization efforts And again we say this all the time If it relates to oligarchs And workers wanting equity Or oppressed people Wanting equity Trying to combat inequality

Again equality always looks like An existential threat to the people That have more than they need That's how you tell on yourself Because if someone's asking for equality And you're like oh fuck that means you got too much that means you got a little too much dip on your chip and if equality is a threat to your bottom line maybe you should change the way you operate your business just well this is just the country i'm in amen you know like i'm just i'm just this is what i'm if i could change the rules i would i would you know i would i know but you can't you can't by paying them different you're a good guy

you're a good guy oh but i'm not gonna do that though but i won't do that it's it's pretty wild to me though too you know there's just some things that i don't understand i now look i'll say this i'll be you should it's tax season right now you know we're in an entertainment you know world and shit the the more successful you get you know the more you having to pay taxes i'll be hot i'll be salty as hell paying my taxes too i don't like you shit i get it i get that but i'll tell you what I'm not hot doing. Paying people to do work. I enjoy. I went into this year, no more free shit. If I ask you to do something, even if you're a homie, I'll give you $50. I don't care. No more free shit. I want you to make a poster. And even if you've made it for me for free in the past, if I can afford to you money right now i'm gonna give you some money for your work for your time for your dedication for

every for your skill set right i don't get how making sure the people who help you be successful are paid is a bad thing like it just doesn't compute in my brain and i'll tell you why man that's because you're not balling enough to be a publicly traded company maybe that's what it is you know maybe that's what it is and once you know that shareholder value shit fucking hanging once i transition to once i transition to you know being the business of jackies i may be like all right y'all i know what i was talking i know all that shit i was talking on the daily zeitgeist but uh y'all go ahead and make this minimum wage real quick. Yo, Jack Heese went fucking corporate on me. Oh, damn, that sucks. No, like he became a corporation.

Like, I'm not even, I mean, he's like, he wants to be referred to as like this third party entity. It's very weird. I'm a business man. Yeah, now let me handle my business. Damn. Speaking of business, Disney, their business might be on shaky ground. No, they're not on shaky ground. Let me tell you something, man.

Yes. That shit is why I live around the corner from Disney Studios. Oh, from the Burbank Disney headquarters. Yes. Right. So literally, I can look out my window, kind of, you know, peek my head around a couple of trees. And I was seeing all these motherfuckers. It was on my front step, basically.

Right. So also I'm telling people where I live and maybe I shouldn't do that. But like which gate, which gate, the one off Buena Vista or the other one? Now, we're going to keep that a secret with the Play-Doh. We're going to keep that a secret. With the Play-Doh. Thank you. Thank you. But right now, right, the conservatives, they got a lot of energy, but nowhere to put it. Because all of their outrage circuits, they're trying to fire him on every piston, but they just can't find something to stick. Ever since mask mandates and just general safe practices

dealing with the pandemic have dwindled across the country, they've lost a lot of their culture war, like, steam. And the trucker convoy that we saw on the Beltway, I mean, we talked about that. That was a literal piss-soaked disaster. So, and, like, it couldn't have been a more just, like, pathetic L to take, like like in public like that. But that's they don't respond to public losses like that.

So all of the GOP is like activist wing. They needed something to scream and lie about. So Walt Disney Company step right up because ever since they did the bare minimum and say they are against homophobia, the right has pretty much immediately took the the like anti-masker energy that they had and pivoted into disney is grooming children they're grooming kids grooming them for what oh they're grooming them they're grooming them they're grooming that's what i know and that's the word i that's the word i keep seeing in my facebook post and so i will just say that which i'm sure like we've seen in like in america

in general buzzwords pop up and nobody knows what the fuck they mean but they know they're against it yeah so we are now i think we've now like we've definitely shifted into the start shit in physical space phase of their latest outrage campaign which means misspelled signs and LuLaRoe leggings as far as the eye can see. And like what we're talking about is out front at the Disney HQ in Burbank, California, towards the end of the week, there's a huge crowd out there with a bunch of the alt-right typical people you see. You had Q-brained anti-mandate ladies. You have groipers. You have fucking people from like white supremacists like

fighting gangs and shit they were all they were all together again but people had signs like disney stop mousing around with our kids boycott disney and their attack on our kids it's a satanic agenda people had like a again usual let's go brandon for good measure and stop the perversion of our children it was was wild, man. I mean, there was about four or five people would bull horns or whatever you call it, air horns or whatever, speaking into them.

And just the shit they were saying, like, we're onto you, Disney, you'll never pull the wool over our eyes again. And blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah. You're doing, and I'm just listening to this shit. And I'm just like, this is the same company that, you know, I mean,

I grew up in the nineties, man, you know, eighties, baby nineties kids. So I, you know, I grew up with Aladdin wanting a genie to fake a girl to fall in love with him or,

you know, 14 year old mermaid wanting to fall in love with a dude where she can't even speak to, or like, this is the shit that we grew up with. Like, talk about grooming. Like, we've been just, that's not,

I'm not saying that's grooming, but like, this is shit y'all was okay with. Yo, if you really just filled it down. Have you guys seen the Tennessee rep

who's straight up being accused right now of being a groomer? Have you guys heard about this guy john is that the rnc aid he's a he's representative oh was he okay gotcha because there's an ex-rnc aid who's actually like well i mean so many people are actually about to do like stand trial for this shit on the right i mean there's also matt gates who is one of their celebrity congress representatives so i mean it's just the hypocrisy is off the charts because if you were actually

concerned with real grooming here are actual cases here are some names here are people who are going to be standing trial right who are in your party who are in your party yeah like what are you doing yeah like prove it to us prove it to us that you are so concerned with grooming by holding the people in your own party accountable. If you can do that. Right. And they've skipped a very important step in conservative outrage, which is like when you're trying to get your movement going, you have to have victims to hang this all on to be like, look, and this is the person fucked up. If it's socialism, they're like, look at the people of Venezuela.

Oh, my God. Do you see what's happening there? Ignore the sanctions that the U.S. has put on there to make it like that. Just look at that. And we call that so it's so bad. Or the fucking thought killing cliche that I know you've had to deal with because I've seen it in your work of people being like Sharia law. What about Sharia law? They're like, what?

And what do you know about that oh oh boy but you need to and then you can point to people who are like and these are the victims of this thing i'm not seeing them parade out a bunch of kids who are like yo man uh supersize me or what what the or what supersize me what's that what's that what dude i'm so bad with you maybe uh fucking that that the toy story or fucking cars like fucked up my whole life and set me down like this dark path of like victimization they don't they don't have that so it just really seems like they're having trouble connecting dots but again i think the the most powerful thing about it all is all of these whether it's the transphobia or racism or homophobia or whatever what have you it's all

rooted in these people need to feel that they have an active role in taking someone's power away it doesn't matter what it is or that they're actually right or they have a reason to it's just to sort of like reignite this feeling that they have, that they, that they aren't losing out on like societal progress. You know, something that you said earlier, I thought plugs right into this, something about how people need something to latch their anxieties onto. And so if you're feeling a certain type of way, if you're uncomfortable with your situation, for any what reason, you're going to need an outlet. And you know, which what's really scary about this is that it has nothing to do with the actual facts. It's like expressing the emotion.

And if you see people who are expressing the emotion that you, you crave that you also want to unleash, it's, it's really addictive to get caught into that cycle and see things in the same way and the reason why i say it's addictive is because it's really easy to go from one issue to the next because if you spend any time on any of these message boards very rarely are they ever just talking about the one issue they're going to link critical race theory to what's happening in florida with the don't say gay bill they're going to link what's happening happening with like Mickey Mouse with whatever they're concerned about in Ukraine even. So they're going to just try and frame everything as this existential battle against the global elite, whatever that means. Please, any of them, just name someone who's in the global elite besides like George Soros who you've been trained to say.

But there is, I mean, they need to unleash their feelings. Right. And it doesn't really matter whether or not it's true. They just are latching onto these people who are presenting themselves as fighting this big fight. Right. They're on this crusade because they're not falling for the tricks.

Exactly. And it just so happens that the GOP is leaning into that and they're making that their, I want to call it their death throw because I don't know how they're going to survive when this next generation of kids grows up. And after seeing Donald Trump, how are they ever going to vote for the people who are,

who will say that January 6th was an insurrection, but I'll vote for him again because I like his policy. Right. It's also just it is it tickles me so much how thin-skinned they are you know because when the don't say gay bill was before it passed and disney wasn't saying anything you know they were like yeah yeah you know they were in and they were on you know kind of on their side and then one little opposition and now it's like oh disney's grooming kids there's like you can't take one little opposition for them it's i think it's further proof that they are more and more outside of the mainstream yeah when you have

more and more companies come out in yeah when you have more and more companies come out in opposition and for something as broad as disney to do it that's a gut check for some of these homophobes who they're like am i is that true and they're like no it's because they grooming the kids and that's what that's that slingshot and i get that 100 is more for those of us with more than half a brain we also know a week before that disney one saying shit right you know what i'm saying so it's fake you know it's it's all it well i think that's there's something to like aiming what you're saying though right is like that their look they need to express themselves and it's it's like that the thing that all these people

have in common is that they have a completely like they have no emotional vocabulary. It's completely stunted and they have no way of expressing emotions, except it's like very specific like ways that aren't necessarily connected to what they're actually feeling. So it it allows for this like very unhealthy way of expressing yourself while not really getting to the part that would give you some relief. So you stay locked in this like pattern. We're able to do that. And I think, I mean, that's just right wing activists or not. I think it's a part of like the human experience that if you're trapped in that, you're only going to, I think, further exacerbate, you know, your, your lack of comprehension of

what's happening around you and be more susceptible to stuff. Totally. Totally. Totally. I mean, some of the rhetoric on Ukraine has been, I think, really key in understanding some of this stuff, because on the one hand, there are people who are pro-Putin because they see Putin as this macho Trump-esque Christian knight who is trying to take on the Western elites, which are like the same enemies of the far right. And so they see Putin as on their same side. But at the same time, there are also people on the far right who see Putin as the enemy because he's hiring Chechens and people from the Middle East to come and fight Ukraine.

And so they're blaming Putin for making Ukraine into a quote unquote white graveyard. So it almost doesn't need to make sense. So they don't even necessarily need to align themselves with the same trail of logic. They're just going to express themselves in the same way. They're just looking to latch on to any of these world events and wrap it into their big conspiracy. Right.

Uh, exhausting, exhausting, trying to cover your sad, sad trails. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back and we'll talk about some, I guess, pathetic stuff. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series,

Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members

for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jimei Jackson-Gadsden.

We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions. Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or, can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know

the answer, we bring in experts who do, like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it like you miss 100% of the shots you never take? Yeah, rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career. Without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture.

Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better.

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I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session. 24 hours. BPM 110. 120. She's terrified. Should we wake her up? Absolutely not.

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explosive descent into hell like i am then this is great news it's been a wonderful story to watch this last week we talked last week about how the numbers have gone to absolute shit. Nobody is downloading, barely anyone using it. The word is that Trump is pissed about like this public L. So it makes sense that at the end of last week, Devin Nunes, who's like the head of like Trump's digital brand or digital company, went out to spin like the terrible headlines. And he went on Fox, Maria Bartiromo show. And she, she sort of like set him up to sort of like compare truth to Twitter by saying like, Hey, so like, what's your, what's your take on a truth competition, Twitter, you know, getting in bed with Elon Musk and y'all, this is just, this is some, I just like when you got to

with some lies. So let's listen in on Devin Nunes. What is your reaction to Elon Musk taking a 9% stake in one of your competitors, certainly Twitter? Well, you know, I think it's very interesting because, you know, the goal that President Trump has and what I have in our team here at True Social is to open the internet back up so that the American people can get their voice back. So it's clear that Twitter is kind of a ghost town. They desperately need Elon Musk to be there. So, you know, it's probably something that Elon wants to do. I think he probably believes in free speech like we do. But at the same time, you know, there's not very much activity over at Twitter right now,

especially when you compare it to sites like ours, where we're just in our beginning stages as we continue to test and bring people on day by day. Our interactions are already beating Twitter. And so Elon's going to have a lot of work to do there. OK, Devin, enough. Enough horseshit out of your mouth. As we watch that on Twitter. Enough horse shit out of your mouth. As we watch that on Twitter.

My man said they need a place. Right, exactly. As we watch the clip off Twitter. That people need a place to get their voice back. There isn't 900,000 fucking ways for you to just say your dumb shit already. But the ghost town shit? A graveyard? Bam. Okay, so we talked about this even last week twitter has nearly 220 million active users okay like that means they're using

the shit on all on your little site 513 000 active users fuck out of here devin it was painful to watch him art some of our interactions are beating Twitter What does that mean? That people are laughing at you more than they laugh at Twitter? Right Some of our interactions when they get on Twitter Are beating interactions that originated on Twitter Is what they're saying

What does that mean? Okay I don't think you're a digital native then What? Okay so I just want to say The flatlining numbers apparently isn't the end of it, because the two people that were like essential to the actual tech part, because that's always been the thing with all these like conservative like tech startup things, like they just get some dude who worked in I.T. who were like kind of build an app and then it will fall apart because people don't have like the real functional know-how. kind of build an app and then it will fall apart because people don't have like the real functional know-how they had two people who like had some what of a pedigree when it came to tech like

certainly higher than the other attempts at like trying to usurp twitter or whatever those two people they just fucking resigned publicly they're like yo we're fucking off this shit like they don't even want to have anything to do with it and those guys were mega brained too so i don't know where else they're going to find tech savvysavvy people who are as committed to the white nationalism. I mean, I'm sure they're out there. But in this sense, it looks like they had the cream of the crop and it didn't work out. Also, fun fact I learned from reading this Reuters article about this, the whole Trump media empire thing, it was pitched to Trump by two former Apprentice contestants right after the insurrection.

Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. Is Trump even on it yet? Is Trump social media used by Trump? He's on it, but he hasn't barely used it. He says he'll use it when it's a hit. Yeah.

That's hilarious. Because he knows it's whack. He's like, I'm not using this shit. You know, he's scrolling through on his burner Twitter right now. Right. That's like when Lonzo Ball had to wear his own sneakers. You know what I mean? When he's like, man, I wish these shits were Nike, but my dad made me start a fucking brand,

so I guess I got to wear these triple Bs on the court. And Trump won't even wear his triple big baller brand sneakers onto the social media court. Come on, Donald. Damn. So I just love that it was two people who knew him from The Apprentice who were like, yo, we could scam this motherfucker right now, I bet. He's taking L's on social media. Let's pitch him on a social media platform.

Kevin Newsom is just eating Trump steaks right now. Using all the Trump water, the Trump champagne, all that stuff i'm sure you got i'm sure you got paid in steaks oh yeah and like sometimes drinking out of maga plastic straws remember when that was a thing for a little bit these are straws was it the mag where it smelled it spelled maga out you know how straws used to like oh like a loopy one yeah no no it took forever to get that sip printed on the little tube uh speaking of drinks and things you sip out of straws a coca-cola i just want to touch on this really quick they've i don't

know like the coca-cola is its own thing we know what cola tastes like that's like it's been its own fucking thing great but they have been introducing more of these limited edition fucking flavors that I just do not understand anymore. It's one thing when they're like, yo, man, you want so much caffeine that you could fucking do a long haul trucking trip and fucking barely bat an eye. Then great. Sip on this. But now they have shit like last month they released Starlight flavor, which is, quote, supposed to recreate the taste and feel of space. Yeah. Now, I'm not a astronomer, but I I feel like I can't quite conceptualize what the taste of a the vacuum of space is. Yeah. No, no. I'm just one of y' of space is? Yeah. No.

Unless one of y'all can think of something. I mean, you know what I'm saying. I've done drugs and thought, you know, like, I bet you this tastes like space. But never has that thought gained any traction to a sober mind.

It reminds me of one of my favorite memes of all time. And this is when memes first started to take off, so years ago. And it was about a perfume or one of those Bath and Body Works lotions or some shit like that. And the scent was like cosmic sun ray or something. And the meme was, how the fuck you know what cosmic sun ray smells like? And that's all I think of. What the fuck you know what starlight smells like. I mean, or tastes like.

And this is like, so a few people, they've actually tried it. And based on like what people have said said on their own reviews or Reddit, some have said it tastes, oh, bringing the baby. Bringing in the baby boy. Bringing in the baby. Motherfucker naps for 30 minutes, man. What am I supposed to do with 30 minutes? Hey, man.

Welcome to Daily Zeitgeist. What's your kid's name? Welcome to Daily Zeitgeist. His first media appearance. How should we address your son? Your Highness. Okay, Your Highness. Welcome to Daily Zeitgeist his first media appearance what should we how should we address your son uh your highness okay your highness welcome to daily zeitgeist wow he's looking he's like damn my dad's doing a podcast he's washed twice in my face oh look he loves you though look at he was looking at we spend a lot of time together we look yeah sorry for those listening to a podcast uh amon

amon's child is in the frame now and he's uh he's an angel but they said that apparently starlight tastes like either minty minty cotton candy sprinkled with vanilla someone said it had an aftertaste of cereal milk another person said it tastes like floor so uh a variety of flavors nobody gave it a color it kind of sounds like it tastes like blue right exactly like it tastes like black with like shiny dots in it like stars in space no uh then they've just announced a new one called coke zero sugar bite but b y t e like a reference to i guess pixels uh resolution whatever but this drink quote makes the intangible taste of the pixel tangible come the fuck on this was apparently they're like i don't know who this is trying to appeal to it must be the gaming like metaverse set of people who are like being like damn my drink gotta taste

like what i'm looking at through my headset but finally finally a drink for me. Yeah, exactly. Oh damn. I've been waiting for this pixel taste. Shouts to Coca-Cola for knowing who I was, but these are all coming from this like Coca-Cola creations division was so like what they did is like, they killed things like tab and some of their other like less popular drinks. And they're now just putting a lot of new energy into these like limited

flavors that have quote intriguing marketing campaigns so like these are for people trying to like so this one's clearly for gamers starlight i don't know i guess for the space curious but they all kind of just have this like really out of touch feeling that like happens like at the tail end of a generation that dominates like ad agencies and marketing philosophy where like the baby boomers and gen xers are like bro i don't know how to fucking talk to like millennials or gen z yeah i thought making a fucking coke flavor that tastes like a fortnight gun uh was gonna do something and it didn't i mean it seems like the i mean i i want this job it feels like an improv scene, you know?

Oh, yeah. I've been in many of pitch-me-something improv scenes. Right. And they always turn out insane. And that's what it feels like. And now those feel real. Yeah. They just, I mean, good luck to y'all, Coca-Cola.

I mean, not really not really i mean you guys are sucking all the drinking water out of the earth but um uh rock on with the the new flavors i wonder what the next one will be if they're gonna go woke with a flavor like you oh my god i don't even want to say this bro lgbt cope you know like shit like that or like black excellence flavor you know what i mean like that's the kind of shit that they would do and we're like what the fuck is this the frack the fragments of the fragments of dr king's dreams flavor right exactly taste the king taste the king it tastes like it right oh my god it tastes like a dream deferred. You're like, what the fuck is that?

What the fuck are you talking about? On the latest one we have, Why the Caged Bird Sings. Oh, Why the Canned Bird Sings. Oh, yes. Anyway. Underground Railroad. The official beverage of the underground railroad.

You know they're flagrant. We laugh now, and then we're going to get together in like fucking eight months, and be like, they really fucking did that shit. They really did that shit. Wow. Oh, my God. They were like, here's Harriet Bubman, because it's bubbly. Harriet Bubbles Tubman.

Yeah. I know her nickname was Bubbles, because she was effervescent. Like this drink, folks. Oh, shit. Amy, man, thanks again so much for stopping by, man. This was cool. I appreciate you taking the time. When that piece is up, I'll come back.

I'm serious. No, no, no. 100%. I want you here because I'm always reading your work, and it's fantastic. So the least we can do is to have you to actually talk about it, especially a piece you're working on is super important. I'm very excited about it. Where can people find you and follow you and hear you and read about you?

Well, it's the month of Ramadan right now. So until the month is over, you cannot find me on Twitter at Eamon.com or Instagram at Eamon.com. I put those apps in a secret folder. But until then, you can catch me on slate.com where I publish a couple articles every week, usually focusing on politics,

international shit, and lately fatherhood. Yeah. Love it. Amazing. And is there any work of social media that you like? I mean, I know you're not

using the Twitter, but is there anything you've seen? Maybe a TikTok, a meme or something? When we were playing this last week, I literally took a screenshot of one that I thought was hilarious. Oh, perfect, perfect. Luminary underscore wing says, stop masturbating to spiritual people if you don't have consent.

We can see you, feel you, and our guides will also tell us your name. Wow. Wow. Okay. You got a good consent. That's going gonna make my tweet that i like real weird now it's been a real weird episode already mr plato uh jackies man thank you so much for helping me host today where do people find you and follow you what's a tweet that you like well uh you can find me in these streets and at Jackie's Neal on everything.

Yeah, yeah. June 3rd, new season of Physical on Apple TV drops. Catch me in a few episodes on that. Other stuff coming down the pipeline. So be on the lookout. Your boy is out here making these moves. So you guys know the tweet, the Twitter, like, little meme or whatever that's going on right now where it's like, we're canceling each other over blank. Of certain tapes, right?

Well, Amy, you may not know this because you haven't been on social media, but Miles, I'm sure you know this. Well, the tweet I like today is, we're canceling each other over our titties today. Post to pick your most cancelable titty selfies. And it's just a thousand pictures of titties. And that's what I like today. That's my tweet. Oh, he never fails. He never fails.

It's a beautiful thread, everybody. Some tweets i like first one is from little nas x at little nas x tweeted really enjoyed the sonic 2 movie not a fan of sonic colin knuckles the hard r but it is what it is uh and then at suze whoever suz whoever tweeted wood floors should not be gray and i feel that that's like a decor thing you see so much in like these are like like renovated houses where people got gray looking wood floors i'm like what is that that's a dead tree that was burnt and then resurrected i don't need that shouldn't be allowed no no no it's just this straight disrespect for the to the

trees only it's an easy win for Biden right there. Just ban that. Yeah, I know. Right. Hey, you don't even have to forgive student debt, bro. Look, you can you can you can go back on all your other promises. Just ban gray wood floors. Do what you said you were going to do. You know, the country ban wood, wood, gray floors. Although, you know what, though? It would really fracture the country because that whole like Chip and Joanna Gaines set of people who love like the renovation shows. That's like their that's like their DNA. You can find me at Miles of Gray on Twitter and Instagram.

Also, the other podcast for 20 Day Fiance with Sophia Alexander. And if you like basketball, check Jack and I out on our new basketball podcast. Miles and Jack got mad boosties, an official NBA podcast. So stop by for that we've had guests like jackie's neil megan galeon uh and some special ones coming up maybe like i don't want to say i'm not gonna say it till i say it you'll just have to find out let's say oh you can find us at daily zeitgeist on twitter at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we got a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes?

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