The Daily Zeitgeist - Law Enforcement Gangs, Movie Pass REALLY Gone 3.23.21

Episode Date: March 23, 2021

In episode 842, Jack and Miles are joined by journalist Cerise Castle to discuss the LA Goth night club closing over sexual misconduct claims, new information from an Atlanta shooting victim's husband, the history of deputy gangs in the LA county sheriff's department, spring break in Miami, the new college admissions scandal documentary, MoviePass, and more!FOOTNOTES: L.A. Goth nightclub known for rituals and secrecy has closed amid sexual misconduct claims Shooting victim's husband says police detained him for hours A Tradition of Violence: The History of Deputy Gangs in the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department South Beach curfew and causeway closures extended for the rest of spring break College admissions scandal gets shlock-doc treatment in Netflix's 'Operation Varsity Blues' MoviePass Teases Mysterious Relaunch, but It’s Unclear Who’s in Charge The Truth About the Zombie MoviePass Site Is That It's All Very Stupid 7 Things to Know About HMNY Stock as Investors Await MoviePass Countdown News WATCH: Barrington Levy - The vibes is right (1985) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Trip me once, shame on you. Trip me twice, can't get tripped again. That is courtesy of Red Georges, a reference to me claiming that I was untrippable, I believe, last week. And I'll introduce my co-host, and then I have a story that happened to me that very night. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! It's Miles Gray, a.k.a. Hieronymus Washed,

a.k.a. NBA All-Star Chris Washed, a.k.a. Daniel Wosh of Washed 2.0, or Washed 2.0, Walsh 2.0. Borat star Walsh to Baron Cohen. A.K.A. from the visionary director J.J. Abrams, the hit TV show Walsh. Shout out to Christy Yamaguchi-May for, you know, I guess he clued in. He got clued in to the fact that we were dealing with with where we stood on the space-time continuum and tasting. I love when we give them just a little inch.

A little like we're like, aha, we're washed. And then there's like 28 Ks. You guys are washed. We're just so fucking washed. It's true. We are old as fuck. We are also thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the brilliant, the talented Cerise Casso! Welcome.

Hi. Hi. Thanks for stopping by. Hey, thanks for having me on. What's good in your part of town? You're in L.A., right? I am in L.A., yes. Yeah.

Weather's okay? Weather's okay. I mean, it's a little cold. it could always be warmer, in my opinion. Yeah. What is it? Jack has a theory that the houses are just not insulated properly. That's why when it's cold, all the houses stay cold here. I believe it.

Yeah, I don't know. It just seems like it gets colder at higher temperatures here inside houses. seems like it gets colder at higher temperatures here inside houses uh or are we just so you know sensitive to things not being around 70 degrees that's like oh my god i think something's wrong with this house we're a population of people who moved uh for the most part miles i don't i don't want to i'll not be a an annoying local no erasure of locals but uh there's a lot of people here who uh who moved here to pursue a world that is always 72 degrees uh so maybe that's maybe there's some sampling error there but uh real quick i did want to mention that i think the very day that we recorded the episode about how i am uh impossible to trip uh that wasn't what the whole episode was about, but it was something that I absently bragged about for some reason.

That night, I was walking downstairs, grab my wife a snack that she could consume in our bed and get crumbs everywhere. And I slipped on the top step and in such a cartoonish fashion that i threw my phone up in the air and it fell all the way down uh over the banister and shattered so i was without a phone all weekend uh and it was like a pratfall yeah it was like a literal like mr bean combined with the woman from that commercial about how uh iphones new iphones are unbreakable or whatever right right right but she only dropped

it from like shoulder height down i dropped it uh you know a whole story down and and you gave it some added hype by throwing it up first it wasn wasn't just a straight drop. Yeah, I did. The woo? I did make that sound. And my wife said, you're so old. When I recounted that to her. So it combines both AKAs. I'm washed as fuck and incredibly trippable. And easy to trip. Easy to trip.

I might be one of the more easy to trip people in the world. Anyways, Cerise, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. We're going to talk about that cloak and dagger club that was open in LA that was like basically, you know, used goth trappings and eyes wide shut vibes to cloak what was essentially an old fashioned toxic rape culture. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about the police in Atlanta, how they treated one of the murder victim's husbands compared to how they treated the murderer. And we're going to talk about Cerise's piece,

A Tradition of Violence, the History of Deputy Gangs in the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, which is the first three parts of a 13-part series, came out Monday morning and mind-blowing shit. So we're going to talk we're gonna talk about spring break in miami we're gonna talk about that college scandal uh getting the obligatory streaming documentary uh kind of a dramatic film like woven in there uh also great starring math i heard it goes real easy on the parents oh yeah uh and on the institutions it's just like this guy what uh what a huckster huh but you kind of gotta kind of gotta appreciate his hustle uh anyways we'll talk about all of that plenty more but first cerise we like to ask our guests what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are what you're up to, that sort of thing.

Oh, God. I mean, my search history is all just like deputy gang shit. For a Google search, because I saw you like on your Twitter, too. You have like all of as of now known affiliates of within the LASD that are gang affiliated. And how what does a Google search look like if you were trying to begin to do this? You'd be like, deputy blah, blah, blah, gang? Or what's sort of the methodology in like sort of doing that kind of research

using Google and stuff? Yeah, so generally when I use Google for that sort of thing, I've already identified a deputy and I'm trying to find out what they're up to in their current life. Probably the best one that I found is a man named Cliff Yates, who was responsible for at least one death that we know of, a man who was beaten to death inside of Men's Central Jail. This guy is now trying to be an actor. Men's Central Jail. This guy is now trying to be an actor. So when you pull him up on Google,

you get his website, you get his headshots, you get his motivational YouTube channel, you get books that he's written about becoming a vegan, and you also get the book that he's written about being a law enforcement officer for 35 years called Deputy. And that's where a book in which he describes police work as quote hunting for humans i am on uh cliffyates.com right now uh and wow huh i mean i think that also speaks to just the idea even like in the first part of this series of protected class uh what that even means to be a law enforcement and clearly like the after when you're out even the way you look back and describe your work with such arrogance or like the idea that there's no accountability like yeah that was my job um to hunt humans is eerie do we know does he is he

actually working as an actor um he's put on a few comedy shows uh he's a regular at the comedy store. Of course, it's some comedy. Wow. That's fucked up. He's a regular at the comedy store? He was, yes. Holy shit. Man. If any Zeitgang has witnessed the comedic stylings of Cliff Yates,

hit us up on social. I'm curious what his routine is. I have a feeling it's very disconnected from any kind of reality most humans are living wow um what is something you think is overrated hmm something i think is overrated i would say tooth gems tooth gems oh like having to put in a little jewel like on the front of your tooth yeah are you do you know a lot of tooth jammers when i was um investigating um illegal covid parties a few months ago i was coming across a lot of tooth jammers wow and i've seen it blow up a lot um on social media like in quarantine people wearing tooth gems

i just think they're like ugly personally i'm big on wearing grills i love grills but like gluing it to the tooth i don't know something about that it's just like i don't know too far maybe i don't know i don't know what it is and i had messed up teeth as a kid so i had old school metal braces i do not want to revisit fixing things to my teeth anymore like i i want i want grills on my canines on my incisor teeth it's been a thing i've always wanted since i think method man warden yeah method man had it in the source i think source magazine cover he was like this and i was like yes i'm in la and i want to look like i'm from new york from staten island but i knew that he had those before i even saw a picture of him because because he was like on tatami you can hear the spit off his grills

but yeah that shit looked dope I would definitely picture especially because there's so many different types of braces and like a lot of them are like the glued on like little dots on the teeth that's exactly that's what I would think tooth gems were that's pretty much what they are

sometimes they're like you can get like little logos I've seen people with like the nike check i don't know that's weird i don't i get let's see again this is where i'm washed i'm like i remember what used to be gold in your mouth not fucking logos and shit like on your fucking teeth like the fuck i also love the overlap of covid party throwers and tooth jammers and it's just a circle it's just like you know i have a feeling it's if you got tooth gems chances are you're throwing or have been too many illegal covid parties probably was this like sort of in that era when you were investigating it like like when the city was having to like shut power off to like certain homes and things.

Yeah. But from what I uncovered in my reporting, that was really only done at like probably like less than 10 houses that came to my knowledge. And the city, the last I checked, they hadn't prosecuted anyone for violating any of those rules. So, you know. So just a lot of hot air, huh? Pretty much. What did you, like, what was the scene like? Was there anything that surprised you about the scene?

Was it all, like, I think my understanding was that it was all, like, TikTok houses and shit. Was it just that? Those were the people that were getting the shutdowns yeah the parties um it was a lot of the same people that you see at the underground parties outside of covid um unfortunately um there were a lot of people that i spoke to in the scene that like you know had make it had taken a public stance to to not party um while we were shut down but you know a lot of the same people that you hear mutterings about for you know bad behavior on other things are the same people throwing these events so you know it it's the same people that you would expect right is there like sort of the same mechanisms within that scene like protecting

these people or it's accepted or you know like what is it that allows someone like that to sort of continually operate yeah i think the same things that allow people like that to operate in any other space right influence and whatever and proximity to that is enough for people to just sort of not rock the boat. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And how widespread was it? Like you, we heard about the ones that were shut down. Was it pretty, was it kind of all over the place? Most of the ones that I know about were never shut down.

Yeah. And they still continue to operate to this day. And celebrities like go to them, like the game hosted an event at one of these clubs last night you know so they operate pretty openly and no one really seems to care or do anything about it la was uh i was listening to the radio this weekend uh for the first time in years because my phone was broken uh and the radio like had all these contests that were about like winning money because la was opening back up and like this is like the opening back

up weekend so like win your money so you can get back out there like it was just openly assumed that like all right guys pandemic over let's uh start our gun. Let's all get back out there. It was pretty wild. Yeah, not helpful given the situation that we're in in the world. But I now know all the words to Driver's License. So that is good because that song is played every... I think that song is one-fourth of all songs that are played on 97.1 The Amp. I was going to guess, what are you listening to?

Like piss FM. Right. Because yeah, my kids like the, the pop music. So children, is that a tale of a, isn't,

I was, uh, my partner, her majesty was explaining the lyrics of that song. She's like, it's the biggest song right now. I'm like, I don't know what this is about.

They're like, it's about real drama. Like, I think this guy was with someone. And I'm like, I don't know is this like primary river yeah it's a little like primary river but she like references a song he wrote about her so i think that's like more there's like a little bit more uh explicitness about like who she's talking about uh and then it's just catchy um i will uh sing for you guys during the commercial break thank god what is uh something you think is underrated

deputy gangs say more yeah um yeah i mean it's it's just pretty much it's been an open secret in Los Angeles County for the past 50 years. People in government from the local level all the way up into the federal level have known about it dating back to at least the 90s. internal investigations or policy changes. If anything, police officers and law enforcement officials have seen their rights continually protected and beefed up. And it's something that we really don't talk about as much as we should, I think. I think a lot of people are sort of aware it functions like an open secret, right? We know about it, but it's not really something we talk about or engage with. And I'm hoping that, you know, by writing this series and talking more to people about it, it's something that we think about more

and hopefully do some things to change because a lot of people have died. Right. Yeah, and it's wild too, because I remember my first thing growing up in LA was hearing about like the Bandidos gang and being like, what? Oh, my cops are in gang.

Like, you know, there's like a younger kid that like and it was like a story for a second. And then I'm sure whatever screws they turn up from the sheriff's department, like on the news channels are just like, OK. And then we we talked about it once. But then to actually like as time goes on and my awareness increases about this sort of trend and you actually see how organized it is, it really is sort of shocking to think, how do we let this exist at all? But I mean, there are so many things that should, they should not be existing or systems of oppression that exist, but they continue to, but yeah, I'm really looking forward to talking more about that uh later on yeah there's a person at one point in one of your first three articles that calls to

report a i think they say like a gang beating and then like halfway through the call like realize that it's the police i'm like i i just think that people when they picture this sort of thing they're like well it's like like we've talked recently on the show about den of thieves that gerard butler yes movie and even though the movie is like these guys are real bad dudes uh they're like doing it with some like code uh attached to it and it's like a means to an end and i i just think like people unless you've experienced it or read reporting like uh you're doing here it's hard for people to fully conceive that no this is just this is just straight up like criminality and and murder that is happening that people are

getting away with like because uh of institutional corruption like that's all it is or like the times you see it in media it's like well they're the gangs have gangs so yeah maybe the police are kind of doing their thing to like also be a gang like that's such a fucked up presentation of it but most of the most of the presentation of any kind of law enforcement is straight up propaganda anyway but yeah this that movie especially was one where it's like i mean like at least there's like camaraderie in this like cop gang that they're just violating the law like they're also criminals huh yeah yeah it's gerard butler so it's an action movie yeah fire with fire that seems to be like the

the motto and that have you you've seen that movie cerise oh yeah i have yes and you know in that movie they talk about actually one of the gangs that we write about or that i wrote about in the series um the regulators right so even then like they're they're aware enough to know about it but still just be like and then we'll call out a real gang but not have any sort of real commentary on it and they have tattoos in the in the movie like i i think they just like borrowed they like fictionalized a gang but it was like pulled from details of actual actual gangs and decided to make them the protagonists yeah all right let's take a quick break we'll be right back i've been thinking about you i want you back in my life it It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you.

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Lacey and Amber show on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And there is a la times report about cloak and dagger um which was a sort of like gothy uh private club um that was in the back of a pig and whistle yeah a popular bar in hollywood called pig and whistle it was like intentionally uh cloaked in this this mystery and this like you know the people got tattoos of a

cloak and like there were initiation rituals and it was very uh like if you hear somebody talking about it then then you have to tell us so we can kick them out because nobody like air of secrecy and then it just sounds like behind the scenes it was these two like 50 something uh white dudes who were using it as an opportunity to like hit on the women who worked for them and just enabling sexually abusive behavior by celebrities and just like by people who they wanted to be friends with it seems like thomas middleditch from silicon valley is implicated in this report for what sounds like by all accounts sexual assault he's groping women uh without their consent but yeah it's it just seems like all of the kind of shit you would expect from a frat house but because it was with an air of goth like they got away with it for years was it also just like i mean it sounds like just another place

where wealthy people or money people could just go to do whatever they wanted to uh without you know uh any interruption from people or control who's coming in and out to sort of perpetuate whatever was going on yeah yeah i think that's that club always had weird vibes just it always did oh yeah i mean i never went but i have friends that went um and i have friends that um new people that work there back before covid i mean like it's it's sort of like perpendicular to the scene that i would go out and participate in but you know there were always whispers like that's a weird place don't go there rapey vibes um right so i wasn't surprised by that reporting yeah it's yeah i mean just seeing like the like lists of the people that go there

like it truly was like a lot like diplo would dj there you have thomas middle just going there and it just again all people we know that have weird vibes stories circling around them which is weird how like it goes from people being like that you know the evolution of being able to call something for what it is because at first you hear things like oh that i hear he's creepy middle ditch is weird or an asshole or things like that and then over time then you have the reporting where we have this way of not knowing how to describe something for what it is sometimes and or rapey vibes and things like that and then you come to and you're like no this place was enabling right oh yeah there was actual sexual assault going right right yeah and i think when people say

like weird vibes like it's easy to be like yeah well it's like people in cloaks and you know there's like all these rituals of course you know like mistake what the right you know assume assume that okay so that's the weird part and the weird part is or the you know problematic part is incredibly common and it's the it's the thing you see in institutions all over the place that especially ones that are able to like you know cultivate an air of exclusivity and secrecy like anytime that's happening you've got to be extra extra worried you know from the catholic church to college fraternities to whatever it is like uh corporations like on on corporate retreats fucking panda express corporate retreat right i just heard that somebody was abused during a

corporate retreat during like a team building exercise. So, yeah. And that like the LA Times story like ties it to the reckoning for LA goth and Marilyn Manson. They're like, well, the figurehead of Los Angeles goth Marilyn Manson is finally facing some consequences. Right. But that seems like it's given him a lot of credit. I think that this has been a long time coming thanks to the brave people who have decided to speak up. This is something that's been going on.

There have been shitty people in the LA goth scene for a long time. It's another one of those open secrets. And I'm happy that um the women and the other people that have been abused by these people are you know feeling safe enough to talk about it and i you know i always think that sunshine is the best medicine so i'm hoping that this can fix fix that scene yeah all All right. Let's talk about just another detail that's emerging from the mass murder in Atlanta last week. So we've already discussed that the police were willing to extend the empathy to the shooter to talk about how he was having a bad day. Just a detail that came out over the weekend is the account of Mario Gonzalez, who was with his

wife, Delaina Ashley Yuan, at a massage parlor. They got a babysitter for their infant daughter to go do something together as a couple. They were getting massages in separate rooms. He heard the shooting, but was, you know, too afraid to leave his room. Uh, the police showed up and basically arrested him, kept him in cuffs in a patrol car for four hours. Uh, he's Mexican thinks that that might have had something to do with it. And they wouldn't tell him what had happened to his wife until they got confirmation that he was her husband, at which point they told her that she'd been killed. So, you know, not quite as concerned about him having a bad day

or what he was going through uh during that process uh just i mean just just all the energy even to coming from conservative media to obscure like what this was yeah um and what the what you know what ills of our country this is actually exposing to just kind of pivot to well it's not this it's this other thing and if it is that who knows in any way what why don't we talk about sex addiction, but maybe not in a way that actually is going to address any kind of issue we have with maybe our puritanical culture that the United States has as well, where people are looking at their own sexuality as like this deviant thing or and acting it out in problematic ways. Or if we're not going to call it a hate crime

against asian people then what about is it against women is it sex workers are we then going to have a conversation about how we create a new way of communicating of looking at people with more empathy um in that sense but no it's just sort of let's just argue about the labels first to not do anything substantive and it's just it's just yeah it's it happens every time happens every single time um and it's it's starting to feel you know i don't know it's already just it's just compounding a non-stop year of uh shitty events yep all right let's talk uh cerise about about the piece you are reporting for knock la is that uh can you talk a little bit first of all about that publication and like how the piece came came about yeah definitely um so knock la is the the journalism arm of a nonprofit here in LA called Ground Game. And they do organizing around voter registration.

They help people get the vaccine. They did some mutual aid at the beginning of the pandemic. And I believe that's still ongoing. So they're great. And they have this journalism outfit that is doing some really great work as far as independent media in the Los Angeles landscape. There isn't too much of that. So they're a great addition. I reached out to them with a list that I had got my hands on through some public records acts requests. got my hands on through some public records acts requests. And it's a list that the County of Los Angeles keeps of litigation that they've been involved in where deputy gangs have been involved.

And I went to knock and I said, Hey, like this is I think this list could turn into, you know, a pretty big project. And I'd love to work with you to use this to sort of create a history of what we know about deputy gangs in the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. And they said, yes, of course, let's get started. And they were really great with helping me, first of all, pay for everything. Although all of this stuff is public record, helping me, first of all, pay for everything. Although all of this stuff is public record, you do have to pay for it. And that adds up very quickly. This series cost over $3,000 to just research. They were really great with providing me with some research assistance to get through quite literally tens of thousands of pages of documents in the past six months.

And they gave me a great home for the website and they are helping me build a database of all of the law enforcement officials that we have identified that have an affiliate with a deputy gang, which will be available for the public to use. And it will be a living document that we will be updating for years to come. public to use and it will be a living document that we will be updating for years to come. That's awesome. So, I mean, I think a lot of people, they've heard us talk about deputy gangs before on this show. We've referenced it. We've talked about like anytime maybe it becomes a slight news story and then vanishes pretty quickly. We like to touch on it, but can you kind of just walk us through the evolution of the gangs within

the Sheriff's Department in L.A. County? Yeah, definitely. So the gangs in the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department have existed at least since the 1970s, starting with a gang called the Little Devils that was based out of the East Los Angeles station. There was a huge event in the 70s called the Chicano Moratorium, which I'm sure you've talked about on this show as well, which was a demonstration of about 25,000 people in East Los Angeles, a heavily Latinx area, demonstrating against the Vietnam War. And this event, it's alleged that Little Devils were a part of a group of deputies that brutalized people at this demonstration. You know, the photos from what happened that day are atrocious. A journalist was even killed by a deputy who shot a can of tear gas at him.

His name was Ruben Salazar. So after that happened, an investigation was done, or well, I'll say investigation implications. We're doing quotes on that. Yeah. So a chief was asked to identify members of the Little Devils and a list was made, but that's all that really happened with that. As far as we know, they were put on a list. And from that point, I mean, deputy gangs were pretty much allowed to flourish. The sheriff at that time, Sherman Block, he said that he thought gang members probably got a kick out of deputies being in a gang and flashing gang signs at them.

At that time, we know of at least, let's see, following the 1970s, we know of probably four gangs that were functioning between the 80s and the 90s. Those are the Wayside Whities in the Wayside Honor Rancho Jail, the Cavemen, which was sort of like a second generation of Little Devils at the East Los Angeles Station. And there were the Linwood Vikings, which is probably the one we know the most about. They were based in the Linwood station and they were identified as a white supremacist gang by a federal judge. That didn't mean they were exclusively white. They had several Latino and black members. There were Viking tattoos. They would change the horns to signify their ethnic identity.

And, you know, they would just essentially go out and terrorize people. They would, you know, hold families at gunpoint and execute unauthorized searches. They chased people and shot them. They murdered people and shot them. They murdered people. One investigator that I spoke to, he believes that a deputy is responsible for the murder of a client of his that he represented in a class action suit against the sheriff's department in the Linwood station. That was called Darren Thomas versus Los Angeles. That case was settled in the 90s, but that's how we got a lot of information about the Vikings was as a result of that case was settled in the 90s, but that's how we got a lot of information about

the Vikings was as a result of that case. And in terms of like gangs, right, we use the term gang and a lot of people, if you're thinking of a street gang, like they're involved in, you know, drugs or whatever other kind of racket, racketeering, whatever kind of activities. First, what are the activities of like a sheriff's deputy gang? Like what what are the like what do we see them engage in that is sort of specific to these organized groups within the department? Yeah, I would say they function pretty much like a typical criminal street gang, the California Penal Code. There are a couple of signifiers that they look for to categorize something as a street gang, one of which is a common hand sign, common tattoo. We've got that engaged in crimes. We've seen deputy gangs engage in drugs. We've

seen them engage in robberies. We've seen them engage in assaults. Drive-by shootings, assaults, murders. So, you know, rape, pretty much anything that a criminal street gang does, the deputy gang does. They're just doing it in uniform. Right. And using the authority of the police force of the city tries to deal with the gangs. There's a pattern of it being so weak or so ineffectual, the penalties that the gangs almost seem entitled to do more and do worse, at least so far in your reporting. The part that I'm up to, it just seems like it's a pattern of them doing something unbelievably out in the open, brutal, racist. They get brought up on that, and there's either a settlement, but there's never any criminal repercussions. And then that seems to make the gangs feel like, oh, shit, we can we can do this and more.

day, right, to try and sanitize the situation. What are the current obstacles? I mean, aside from, you know, systemic white supremacy that allows these sort of structures to remain in place, what are the kinds of awareness that we can bring to the public to obviously create more public pressure? Or how do we how what is what is the way to remedy this based on what you've investigated? Yeah, well, there are a lot of groups that have been involved in this work for a long time, much longer than I've been investigating it. One in particular that I would like to point people to is the check the sheriff coalition. They work with the ACLU that has been monitoring deputy gangs for years. And they're organizing around a lot of things that could change these policies. Like one thing that I learned about that I didn't know about

was the Peace Officers Bill of Rights, which is a law that exists in most states that gives law enforcement officers the right to know everything about a criminal investigation that they are the subject of. They get to meet with a union representative and a lawyer and review all that before they talk to any investigators. The investigation has to be completed within a year or they cannot be charged. And that's the case in most states. So. So this isn't this is that's not specifically just a Los Angeles problem. That's that's something that's happening all over the country. But yeah, it seems like this this is a problem.

Like when you read about reporting of corruption and NYPD, like there's all sorts of it. Well, it might not be like organized gangs with hand signals like that. It seems like there's a very common problem there. Yeah, I mean, it's just that it's impossible to bring them to continue to... I think your first report is called the protected class, which I think is fitting, right? Oh, yeah. 100%. One other thing I'd want to mention is when we're looking at LA specifically about this, another reason why you won't see a lot of these deputies charged in these shootings, it goes back to the district attorney, right? The district attorney is the one who decides whether or not they'll be prosecuted. The district attorney and the sheriffs are now in the same

union, I believe. So there's a really symbiotic relationship there. Oftentimes, the police union, they'll just straight up threaten the district attorneys. Um, and they'll say, you know, like, if you're going to prosecute our guys, like, don't count on us to show up and testify when you have, you know, a high profile case, that type of thing, the union will really hold people hostage. So it, there are a lot of people involved in this. involved in this. Right. Yeah. I mean, even over the summer, like when even the city council here was even mulling over defunding the police department or law enforcement, like the show of force to be like, Hey, we, you know, very like very seemingly innocent being like, Hey, we're all here together. But when you see a group of people telling you, Oh man, like who's going to protect you, who's going to protect you and saying things like that to somebody who's possibly in a position to bring accountability like yeah you see that there's many things uh at work that's uh you know uh propping them up who's gonna protect you from us right essentially for instance yeah the the salazar story was wild like uh that's kind of where your reporting starts. And so he was a journalist who had been critical of law enforcement, right? And then he gets, you know, shot and killed by a crowd control device, which is something we're still seeing to this day, like maiming people.

to this day like uh maiming people yeah yeah that story was really hard for me um to read because it's it's like kind of like looking in a mirror right like yeah doing the same stuff now i've been shot um with less than lethal munitions by police um yeah it's the same things are happening today right like the work that you're doing is so important and something that to me i would immediately begin to shy away from like you know just to be like the fear that i already have in innately of police but then for you like and the work that all people do activists around this i think is really impressive because yeah like there are examples of retaliation for those trying to bring them to account.

And like reading that on top of the history of how these gangs operate, it's really just seems like a, like a, like just a daunting task, but one that, like you said, is absolutely necessary for people to become aware of it because the more it just operates in secrecy, then it's just going to proliferate and flourish and we'll the next thing you know we're like wow how did this get here because we haven't brought the attention to it so for that like yeah very grateful for the work that you and many others do in that in that space because it helps us to sort of understand really what's at stake in the city thank you the story about them um i think it's a a person in the

community that they murdered and then that when that man's child is like a teenager they threaten the child basically to saying like we we have our eye on you, it's like they're generationally like cruel and, uh, retaliatory against just anyone who crosses them. Yeah. I was speaking to the family of, um, a family member of Anthony Vargas yesterday, and that's a young man who was killed by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, um, banditos gang in 2018. And she was telling me that, you know, the deputies will park outside of her house and talk to her nieces and nephews

and threaten Anthony's older brother. So, you know, like I said, that story that you were talking about, Jack, that happened 30 years ago, but these same tactics, like, that was going on this week. Right. Unbelievable. All right.

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the mainstream media would kind of report on it. So I was just curious to hear you talk about like how you made the decision to kind of go to publish this reporting through uh you know ground game as opposed to like la times or the new york times which seems like yeah be reporting on this front page definitely um and i'll just make a quick distinction um knock is like technically separate from ground game they're they're friends but technically separate um i yeah so i mean this is a story that i've wanted to do for years and this is a story that you know a lot of those organizations that you just shouted out the new york times the los angeles times this is something that they've known about for longer than i've been alive frankly um there were articles that i read um from papers

like that where they would put in like two paragraphs about, you know, these deputy gangs and then move on and forget about it. Frankly, it's just not something that they're interested in. I've worked in newsrooms in places like that. reckoning with one of them, KCRW, where I spoke about the racism that I faced. So, you know, frankly, in my opinion, this just isn't something that mainstream news rooms are interested in. One, because it affects low-income people of color, which they don't think is a community worth investing in or worth covering. Secondly, a lot of mainstream organizations just like, don't want to take this stuff seriously. Um the ones that were willing to spend money that they frankly didn't have and time that people were volunteering their time to help me with this. They knew that it was something worth investing in. And frankly, I think that that's really where good reporting happens because mainstream newsrooms just frankly don't give a shit yeah they have their own agendas right and it's just to be complicit in

upholding de facto white supremacy or whatever and any story that gets near something that would bring awareness that could precipitate some change like is it worth it is it something we're interested in will people read it without actually thinking of like fundamentally how you're supposed to operate journalistic, like in terms of a journalist or an outlet to inform the public about what is happening where they live? having to a think of like where our news comes from and i think most people aren't able to even think critically of where their news is coming from and how it's being presented and why it's being presented a certain way yeah all right uh so we are gonna make that the very first link where people can uh read a tradition of violence the history of deputy gangs in los angeles county sheriff's department in the footnotes um and people need to check it out because it's frankly better than anything i've ever read in

the new york times or los angeles times and uh thank you so much i've been rejected from both um both of those newsrooms um uh yeah so thank you for that compliment i mean it's real you know reporting is real yeah that's what's so upsetting for us too to talk about like always what's in the news and we're like there's so many things that are in the news that are not in the news right you know what i mean um and it takes like having to be like okay well we're not gonna count in fucking msnbc is gonna talk about this shit um so you know people have to constantly look and remind ourselves about like truly like what what the news is trying to get people to think about their own world at times yeah i try to actively avoid uh msnbc cnn new york times like just because I think that that is the sort of mainstream narrative that our listeners probably encounter the most.

And yeah, it's incredibly biased. Let me say something else about the New York Times now that since we're airing them out. I once had a meeting with an editor at the New York Times for a story. And it was a story that had been covered before by a smaller outlet. And I went into the meeting saying, this has been done by a smaller outlet, but don't worry, I've got another angle, it's different. And they said, huh, okay, so done by a smaller outlet, huh? And I start panicking a little bit, like, oh God, they're going to kill my pitch. And she says, New York Times hasn't done it hasn't

happened yet and that's that's truly the attitude that they have i mean like we see how many how many journalists do we see saying i wrote this story six months ago and now the new york times is running it like it's a brand new thing that's that's their bread and butter it's what they do right right that and normalizing nazis so yes they're like oh my god this nazi likes fucking i can't believe it's not butter spray would you believe it anyway more on that later all right let's talk about uh spring break uh which was going off over the weekend in miami on mi Beach. The videos were pretty wild. Just a ton of kids doing, I don't know. I have a hard time putting myself in their position

because I never had a full year of my young life just swallowed by a pandemic. But it's certainly understandable that they're wanting to get out there. I think there's just so many elements to it. One, you have Florida that they're, you know, wanting to get out there. I think there's just so many elements to like one. You have Florida that's like, hey, baby, it's wide open down here. Yeah. Like as Ron DeSantis is like being like, we don't know about COVID really.

Forget that we have the highest concentrations of the B.1.1.7 variant in the state but there's a lot of like there's just i've seen also too um just the vaccine rollout has definitely contributed for many people to begin like operating a new sort of headspace of perceived safety when i'm not quite sure there actually is i mean it it's fantastic the vaccine is being rolled out but not to the extent i see and hear people discuss like what they think the world is at the moment. So in the mayor of Miami had to set a curfew from 8 p.m. to 6 a.m. for the next three weeks, just trying to just trying to discourage people on spring break from coming down there. But I think it's yeah, it's tough. You got a generation of kids who are like in their prime partying years. And I I try and put myself in the mindset of a 18 to 22 year old person.

And I'm like, I don't know if I kind of, I'm fucking reckless. I don't know what you want me to say, but we're adding layers of like, you know, there's responsibility to others in a community. You're entering a party that isn't quite there, but yeah, just, it's a, just an overall, you know, trend. I think in general, not just Miami itself, itself like i'm saying like the vaccine rollout is as i see it feels like a very yeah like has this false sense of safety that a lot of people are just like immediately buying into even when they themselves aren't like oh i'm not gonna get the vaccine yet though right like

but the the like the sound bites from some of the kids they were just saying like we will not like i will not stop partying right um i think one of the quotes was we will continue to rage so i mean like what do you how do you look at it like in terms of seeing spring breakers right now cerise and like the party scene you were covering? The mentality, is it nihilistic? Is it pure ignorance? What's sort of the fuel from how you see it? Yeah, I mean, the kids that I spoke to in the party scene, they really didn't believe that COVID was dangerous. they really didn't believe that COVID was dangerous. Um, a lot of them were telling me that they thought that the government was lying to them about, you know, how many people had died

and the death rates and that stuff like that. And they sort of finished it off with, you know, like I, you know, I'm young, I haven't gotten sick and none of my friends have gotten sick. Um, so whatever they're, they really weren't, um, so much thinking about people around them and how it might affect them. Yeah. I, I, I really don't think they really care about others. Um, that was my takeaway. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm trying to think of a like a 18 to 22 22 year old person that actually does care about others at that stage um especially shit like when you're coming into a world that's like societally reflecting back to you that no one gives a fuck about you so you know like it's just that you know that i can totally see how that feeds a mentality of like fucking nobody gives a fuck about this we don't live in

the country where people give a fuck about each other so what the fuck why are we now trying to give a fuck about each other yeah yeah and it's hard to like the this disease in particular when the people who are so who are um more at risk are not the young people who are of like spring break partying age like a i think it's just even though it's should be simple to just be like yeah but you're killing old people uh i feel like that that is a population that's uniquely ill-suited to give a shit about that unfortunately and they're killing young people too right i mean there was that i forgot that athlete that collapsed um after having covid like yeah yeah yeah no for sure and even now like you even look at la like uh what

over 50 of the the people that are in the hospital coming from people under 50 although the deaths are happening for people over 50 but right now people under 50 are a majority of the hospitalization so like that i remember early in the pandemic everyone was like it's an old people's disease like guard the old um but yeah i guess it's hard to like inform people when there's and you could get like long covid too if you're young that's that's the other i think that's even scarier than dying yeah yeah i feel like why didn't they do like a fucking you know this is your brain on drugs type campaign about covid like you know what i mean because everything i had to like seek out like medical like journal things that were talking about purely like really what the long-term

effects could be that were like i think touched on in like a sentence or two in a normal like a news article like online but like those are the moments that really had me very much concerned about my safety or what it meant to be careless about what i think how contagious it is or isn't because yeah i mean we had you know uh one of our guests who flew in the pandemic to go back home to the uk because the borders were closing she caught covid on the flight and she was talking about to this day how you know she's she's in her early 30s not like you know no real health conditions but still has like you know the brain fog and moments of like real deep fatigue and things like that and that's really something to

consider but i guess you know again we all have different calculus we're going into it with our own you know uh risk assessment models yeah um all right let's uh talk about the netflix documentary about the college admission scandal i don't know if if you guys had a chance to watch that yet. I watched it over the weekend. Is it just a feature-length documentary? Yeah, a feature-length documentary. The second I heard they weren't going in on everybody as hard as they could, I was like,

this isn't the thing I want to see. I wanted to see that version of it. It basically focuses on the the white haired guy that you saw and all the articles like the mug shots of him um and to the point that they have matthew modine like dramatize a bunch of the conversations they have transcripts for um just give matthew modine like a terrible haircut uh and they're like yeah that'll do and the conversations like they edit them down but it's you know they're sort of boring but they they do give you a really good understanding of just like how rich people think about the world and how little they think about the ethics of what

they're doing or how it affects people who have been less uh who have been given less than they have like that's just completely not a consideration uh for any of the people it seems like during some of the conversations it's going to be and then they're like, look, I don't give a shit about the ethics here. I'm just worried. What if people find out about this? That sounds right. That's the path to ultra wealth. I don't give a fuck about the ethics. I can get it, right? And then fuck it. If there's accountability, I'll just fucking

just say, fuck it. I'm rich't i'm insulated from all this shit yeah it's also was it really that jarring to hear how these people would talk because i feel like in a way you're like yeah of course no no yeah not jarring at all not jarring at all just more of like a a interesting collage of that where you're just like, man, these motherfuckers. And like just little details of how they speak and like what they like. There are some conversations where one of the moms is like, you know, my older sister. Yeah. Or my older daughter, like she doesn't give a shit about any like any of this. So she's not like worried at all. But my younger one is actually smart.

of this so she's not like worried at all but my younger one is actually smart and she is pretty brutal like how just kind of distanced they are yeah detachment as a parent to your own children as well like there's the older one that's kind of a weirdo loser and then the younger one though that one's smart right i forget her name but then yeah because it's yeah it's more important to them than it is to the kids obviously and i think more important to them from a like appearances perspective than it is to uh like what what benefits i think they're the kids are getting the the big thing is that the university is kind of there there's like one storyline where they look at the sailing coach from stanford who never took any uh bribes like directly they all went to i think the sailing program and the athletic department

and they kind of make the case that like stanford was you know complicit in the whole thing but it really is like i don't know the whole thing seems to be the the universities like these are all just people exploiting a wildly corrupt system where you know if you give them enough money like your kid gets in over somebody more deserving of an education than them or of that spot than them. Right. Yeah. And giving it to someone who isn't going to then enter the world and use any of that knowledge. They'll just rest on the fact that they have wealth to rely on versus people who are trying to get educated for upper mobility. And I think, yeah, just more of, you know, as we talk about like wealthy kids and like how much their parents' wealth enables like their lack of evolution as an adult.

And yeah, you get to this point. It's like, yeah, you want to go to college or you might learn something or do you want to go for appearances, not something substantive because we're here in the optics economy. We're not here for actual outcomes, which I think goes across the board,

I think, for people who think like that and use their wealth for good or whatever the fuck it is. It's just for appearances. It's not about substantive change. It's on level. Yeah. All right, and lastly,

just an update from a story that we, I think, had mentioned on one of the trending episodes last week that MoviePass had a website up that was a countdown to the movies starting again or some shit and it seemed like movie pass was going to relaunch that was a was a prank uh movie pass is dead uh and apparently like it was it might have been part of a attempt to pump up their parent company's stock, which did temporarily blip up to near one cent, to near one penny. So somebody might have made dozens on that one. Yeah, the timer hit zero yesterday.

Nothing happened except when you go to the website, it downloads a text file to your computer. So don't go to that website. Don't open whatever it is. One of the people who was tracking this story did open it, and it just says like hey sorry this website was made with around 20 with no purpose other than to full friends it's tweeted out by a twitter user who we have no affiliation with the media media did pick it up and say official movie pass website uh which

was completely fabricated by those journalists. So, yeah. You didn't say journalists at that point. Quote, unquote, journalists. Yeah. I don't know. I looked at the URL. It had the word movie pass in there. So, yep.

Thank you. Also, I went to Yale School of Journalism because my parents gave them $70,000. Exactly. Now I write blogs well cerise it has been uh such a pleasure having you on tdz uh where can people find you read you follow you yeah you can find me um on twitter and instagram um just by my name, Cerise Castle. And I would love it if your listeners are so inclined to check out Knock LA, where my series, A Tradition of Violence, is living. And if they're so inclined, please shoot us a dollar or two on the Knock Patreon. Like I said,

this research was really expensive and I'd like to keep doing it. Yeah, do that. Is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Oh, a work of social media that I've been enjoying? Yes. Yeah, I love that baby video. The video of the baby who sees a video of herself crying and is just like, what? Oh, I haven't seen it.

Oh, like becomes like self-aware sort of yes yes oh baby sees video of self-crying uh-oh did it just download a file to your website no yeah it did a text file but i just saw i just saw uh i just see a still image of this baby going like this i don't know if that's really what's going on but it looked like they fooled me with that that that still because it definitely looked like a baby being like what the fuck is wrong with me uh miles where can people find you what's tweet you've been enjoying twitter instagram miles of gray uh also the other podcast 420 day fiance where we just kind of blow some steam off talk about that trash reality show content.

Some tweets that I like. First one is from, you know, another Valley local Molly Lambert at Molly Lambert is tweeting. Well, I walked through the echo park thrift and everything was from the two thousands. And one girl told her friend,

a skirt was quote. So why two K. So bury me at sea i guess all feeling the washedness come upon us um another one uh it's from trash jones at jay zucks uh tweeting if you hear me telling the same story twice just let it go i only have like six memories and they all take turns welcome to podcasting and finally uh at young thug w yng thgw tweets what wtf is quote burning cds i love it i love it that's amazing i'm here's amazing. I'm here. Um, in my mind, I was like,

what are you talking about, man? I was burning CDs in 2002, 19 years. Right. Okay. Yeah. Oh,

I guess we're just, just swapping playlists now on Spotify and shit. Yeah. Uh, a couple of tweets. I have been enjoying, uh, live P tweeted,

babe, are you okay? You hardly responded to the Instagram story I posted for the sole purpose of getting a response from you And Kalathia tweeted Has anyone noticed that you park In a driveway But cry in a Walgreens

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to drop in but it doesn't and still barrington levy just crooning with that voice of his and the vibes is right the title does not deceive uh and if you don't know barrington levy is i don't know maybe if you like shine from bad boy in the early 2000s if you remember um that was barrington levy if not you know what? This is a new artist for you to check out. So check that one out. I'm too young to know what you're talking about.

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