The Daily Zeitgeist - Liar Called “Liar” In Public, Conservatives Claim Avengers and Kanye 4.30.18

Episode Date: May 1, 2018

In episode 137, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Barbara Gray to discuss the new Avengers: Infinity War and conservative viewpoints of it, the White House Correspondence Dinner with Michelle Wolf, the Trump Rally in Detroit, the sex cult "Nxivm," Kanye West's new music, & more!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My gray That is from Chapman Rice Back at it again Your girl never left Thank you at Chapman Rice. Back at it again. Your girl never left. Thank you, at Chapman Rice, for that, a.k.a. Good to see you back, because, you know, Yamaguchi main, Christy Yamaguchi main was really coming for it. But you know what, Chapman, you got to let him know,

you never left, you've been here. Hey, and speaking of good to see you back, we are thrilled to have back on the show the hilarious comedian and podcast host, Barbara Gray. Hi. I've been watching. I could use the same one. Yeah, Gray. Hi. I've been watching. I could use the same one.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I've been watching. Just pretend it just happened. Oh, boy. Barbara watching you. Yeah. This guy that's lying. You were my gray.

Boom. What's up, guys? How are you? What's up, Barbara? Oh, nothing. Just going to have this Kanye song in my head for the rest of time thanks to you guys so appreciate it we'll get to that later before we ruin everyone's brains yeah i get it what is

something from your search history that is revealing about who you are um i went to a brunch yesterday full of people who were very smart and talking about things i couldn't comprehend so i searched fabio bird and started showing everybody the picture of Fabio. When the bird hit him on the roller coaster? Yeah. I looked at today, this morning, to see what my last search history was. I was like, oh, yeah, that was the last thing I looked up. There you go.

Wait, so what was everyone else talking about? I don't know. They all went to Columbia together, and they were just, like, being smart. And I don't know what they were talking about, but I was just like. And did you just interject? You're like, hey, y'all remember when that birdie of Fabio in the face? I was talking to one person about weird celebrity

encounters and one time I was at UCB and somebody was standing outside and they were like big surprise outside to your right big surprise outside to your right and when we walked outside Fabio was standing there with a bird still attached to his face he was afraid people wouldn't recognize him it's me the bird guy it's me a Fabio With a bird still attached to his face. He was afraid people wouldn't recognize him.

It's me, the bird guy. It's me, a Fabio. That happened in LA, didn't it? I think at Magic Mountain or something. I think so. For people who don't know Fabio, the great seller of fake ass butter and romance cover art man, he was riding a roller coaster

and a bird flew in the path of the roller coaster and just smashed his face up. I think it broke his nose. It looks nasty. If you look at the picture, it's very bloody Fabio face. I was talking about it with one person and then I just started showing everybody the table because I was like, I don't know what to

say to you guys. Cartesian what? No. Look at Fabio's face. It's got blood on it. That was my last search. What was Fabio's path to fame? He was a model for romance novel covers. Do we even need those?

Because aren't they drawn mostly? Yeah, but he was inspired them because he was like long haired and ripped and like. They were just like. That is true. I don't know actually his like origin before that. I mean, I guess he was just a model. What a strange path to fame. You know who has.

for that. I mean, I guess he was just a model. What a strange path to fame. You know who has, I was just at a California adventure and I went on the whatever, Little Mermaid ride and they gave her dad Triton like abs. He had like a body and I was like, this is uncomfortable.

I felt really, he was very Fabio inspired. You're like, I had to ride again just to make sure. He was shred daddy. He rode multiple times. Prince Eric could never I had to ride again just to make sure. Yeah. He was Shred Daddy. He rode multiple times. Prince Eric could never live up to that. Yeah, they say. I know, yeah.

It looks like he was in a syndicated TV series called Acapulco Heat. And then he did a fragrance campaign for Versace. He didn't really quite do anything. I think he's just like a dude who was so cool looking in the 90s. They're like, hey, that means you get to be a celebrity his brand was just so overwhelming they're like oh you're like a living cartoon character you're famous right done he was the like that's kind of like the schwarzenegger model right yeah yeah for sure and the name his name is so great yeah the name goes a long way if his name was just like rick i don't think he'd be where he is. The sexiest name of all.

Rick. It is weird to parlay being a hot man model into selling vegetable oil spread. That is a strange... Well, I think the marketing made sense, right? Because their demographic they were selling to were women who need the decadence of butter

but cannot believe that this new horrible chemical spray is notence of butter. I cannot believe that this new horrible chemical spray is not in fact butter. Who better to sell it to you than the man from the mystery novels or the romance novels that you pine over at night? Also the mystery novels. He's the star of many of my favorite mystery novels.

The Fabio mysteries. The Fabio murders. Murder on the Fabio Express. Have you seen the cover where he's actually Poirot? No. It's really amazing. Shirt blown open. Fabio murders. Murder on the Fabio Express. Have you seen the cover where he's actually Poirot? No. It's really amazing. Shirt blown open.

Yeah. His shirt does just always burst. Blown open. Just giant fucking fan. He's always in the windiest fucking places. Just a huge jet turbine just blowing his clothes open. Barbara, what's something you think is overrated? Exercising. All right.

Go on. I don't know. It's just I was like doing it really intensely for a while and then I stopped and I've been happier. Perfect. Make it work for you. I started doing that keto diet and I was losing weight that way. And then I was like, what am I doing? Why am I working out all the time?

And so I just kind of stopped and I think my life has been better. Yeah. And so I just kind of stopped and I think my life has been better. Yeah, me exercising, the only time I can really get myself to push myself is if I'm competing. So when I play pickup soccer, I'll run. But if I'm just like, hey, let me throw the iTunes in or whatever, I sound like an old man and go for a jog, fuck no. Yeah, I have to have a person there telling me what to do or whatever. I was doing like Orange Theory for a few months like really intensely what's orange theory it's this specific gym where it's like half weights and half um cardio basically and they're just telling you what it's like having a personal trainer kind of um but yeah i was doing it like a ton and then i was just like this is so

much stress and right money and what am i doing and then i stopped and i was like oh i don't have to do this. I mean, this is a great time for a seamless plug. That's why we do Beachbody on demand here in this office. That's right. Because Tony Horton's 10 minute trainer. Legit. Actually, Anne and I have definitely been doing that video.

I think Jack's on the train now. You should check this out because it's only 10 minutes. And that's the only way I'm like, oh, I'll get my sweat on for 10 minutes. I'm in a Beachbody infomercial for their country line dancing workout. Oh, really? I know all about it. Oh, yeah. Okay.

Okay. We're going to have to pull that video up in there a little bit. Are you into country line dancing? No, I was after I did that workout for three months every day. It was actually very fun. Oh, like you were in the series? You were in the series? I was in the test group for it and ended up liking it a lot.

It's called Country Heat. So if you have the Country Heat video series and I pull it up, I might see Barbara in the It's only in the commercial for a second. I'm dancing in my living room, too. Oh, shit. Okay. That's interesting. But to have truth in advertising, they make you actually do the program?

Yeah. I did the program. That's interesting. So they can have real before and afters. Like I'm actually a before and after from a few years ago. There you go. But I mean, that was fun exercising.

That was dancing. That doesn't count, I don't think. Are you wearing cowboy boots? I wish, no. Even they know. It's hard to get your sweat on fully, you know what I mean? Totally.

With the boots on. What's something you think is underrated? Underrated. I've never been like a huge Disney person, but I did go with a friend who's a big Disney person this weekend. I was like, okay, I think adults enjoying Disney is underrated. I liked seeing adults like wearing stupid ears and having fun. I also got drunk because you can drink there. And I've never been drunk there before.

And I think that probably helped a lot. Right, right, right. But yeah, I was like, okay, I'm going to not be a cynic for a minute and kind of let this be. I'm still kind of, when I see full-on adults really about that Disney life, like the gangs of Disney and that kind of thing, I'm like, all right. But however, when I went, I was like, I'm not going to knock being here because shit is magical, too. I know. Especially if you get drunk. I think I kind of like let it go for the first time.

Shout out to Frozen. Seamless appetite. And I think I just like enjoyed seeing people kind of like be little kids for the first. I usually am kind of annoyed at it. It's refreshing, I think, in this climate. But it's also so capitalistic. It's like, it's both, you know, it's both worlds. But I don't know.

Yeah. Look, just keep making that Dole Whip. Shout out to that guy who wore a Zeit Gang t-shirt to Disney World. I hope they gave you a discount. Oh, yeah. Can't promise it's worth anything, but hey, shout out to you. Hope you got some fast passes for that. Hashtag Zeit Gang.

Hashtag Zeit Gang. What is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? People think that you can't get fucked up in Salt Lake City, Utah, and I'm here to tell you that's not true. Wait, do people think you can't get fucked up? Yes. I'm from there, and every time I say that, everyone's first question is like, what's

up with the alcohol laws there? Like, you guys can't drink, right? And I'm like, no, everyone is very repressed, and so they make sure that they- They drink in secret. Go very hard. Oh, right. Yeah. Wait, but what are the laws exactly? It's like you can get

3.2 alcohol or beers in the convenience stores and stuff like that. 3.2 beers? 3.2% alcohol. I thought it was going to be like, okay, my man, I can offer you a .15 of a beer as well. Just a little pony beer.

Right. Oh, and then like, do they not sell on Sunday and stuff like that? Yeah, I can't. No, they sell on Sunday, but you can't, you can only get like liquor at the actual state run liquor stores, which is strange. Yeah. But everyone thinks that it's this weird, you know, dry state or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I'm here to tell you that.

Guess what? So that's like all the mainstream beers, like Bud Light, Budweiser. Those are all 3.2 and below, right? Yeah. Everyone who sells in a grocery store there has to make a 3.2 version. Oh, so it's like a special Utah exclusive. Yeah. And there's a few other states that have the same thing, so they make them specifically

for that. Oh. It's not very exciting. I hear it's a good comedy city, too's not very exciting i hear it's a good uh comedy city too like comedians will say it's a good it is and actually i know one comedian recording her album there may 26 it's me okay oh hey if you're in salt lake city homecoming you know what actually we have a we have some people who listen out in utah because we were looking out there yeah salt lake zeitgang yeah it's a good comedy scene because it's like they're very hungry for, you know.

Yeah, yeah, something different. Something new. Yeah. Okay. And shout out to the Jazz who got their ass kicked yesterday, but still. Oh, my God. Made it to the second round. I used to love that.

I don't have time to watch basketball anymore, but back in the 90s, I was a very big Jazz fan. Yeah. Back when the Holy Trinity was playing together? Jeff Hornacek? John Stockton and Carl Malone? Ooh, Hornacek getting in there. Oh, you gotta get Jeff Hornacek in there. He's gotta be counted. Come on, man. As a Lakers fan who would regularly

scream at the TV against the jazz, all of those players are implanted in my mind. I can't talk to you. Well, look, y'all had your time and then we had ours, didn't we? We didn't have our time. We never won. Well, yeah, but you were beating us for a while.

But that's beside the point. I digress. All right. Let's get into the stories of the day. We wanted to start out with the weekend box office because this weekend we had a record shattering box office from Avengers Infinity War, broke the records for the biggest worldwide opening weekend ever. Wow.

Also, the biggest American domestic cume, as they say in the industry. Also, the most scenes between a talking raccoon and a giant space dwarf. Oh, sweet. Hey, representation matters in that one. Yeah, sweet. Hey, representation matters, Matt. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, it seems like this, I don't know. I saw Black Panther coming because it was just like such a media tsunami, like everybody was talking about it before it came out.

But for me, I was like, all right, I've seen enough Avengers movies now. I watched the last three and it didn't feel like I needed to see what happened next in the you know the crossover franchise it started feeling like okay this is just you know checking in for a few minutes with each character I think really it's just because it's such a spectacle yeah I mean because what it does is unites if even if you weren't like maybe you're an Iron Man guy but you don't fuck with Thor or maybe you're a Guardians of the Galaxy person but you don't fuck with Spider-Man literally if you had any affection for any of these sort of big MCU

Marvel films then you could come and there was something for everybody right which I guess is the thing but isn't that kind of annoying because yeah if it's only a few minutes with each one you're not really getting what you want yeah I don't know I didn't see it I'll probably wait to see it based on how the theater

looked when I went. Meanwhile, I saw Blockers for the second time in this weekend. This episode brought to you by Blockers. No, the movie's crazy.

Anyway, that's beside the point. Do you think that they tried to call it Cockblockers and they made them call it? I'm assuming they made them take out Cockblockers. Yeah, for sure. But when I saw the trailers,

I definitely was like, wow, this looks cool because it was... We're talking about blockers, right? We're talking about blockers. I love John Cena and seeing his naked body. But like, no, in the Avengers trailer, I think when we first came out, we were kind of like, well, whatever. But we were at the same time, Jack, you and I were both kind of like, well, it looked like they got everybody together for this one. So I think based off that, like, if you're a superhero film lover, then it was probably a must see.

Everyone's also saying that the end is, I don't know, something incredible makes everyone ponder their life choices or something. I don't know. Right. Yeah. Based on the tweets I've been reading, something dark happens and it might be that Trump gets elected. Yeah. Because that's how people were trying. Trump becomes a ninja.

They were like, it was like the 2016 election all over again. No, I think what happens is T'Challa takes off his mask and it was actually Donald Trump the whole time. That really had people fucked up. Yeah. But yeah, so the right is trying to spin this into a, you know, this is a movie. I think they got that taste of Roseanne.

You know, Roseanne was a big hit. Right. And they got to take credit for that because of Roseanne. Roseanne was a big hit, and they got to take credit for that because it was a show that actually had a character who believed in a couple of their views, even though she was very progressive in most of her views. Economically, she was a Trumpist, even though that's not why. There was a study that just came out that said that Trump's election was not about economic issues, no matter how much we want to believe it was. It was actually about just really conservative

people being worried about, you know, the white man being left behind. Yeah, lost status. Yeah, lost status. Exactly. So they got that taste of being able to take credit, you know, have a win. We'll talk about the Kanye thing last week. They were relevant. Putting points on the board right now. So now we're getting these reviews. There was a review on Breitbart

that casually refers to Thanos, the bad guy from this movie, as an environmentalist wacko. The fuck? Yeah, obsessed with salvaging the natural resources of the universe by murdering half of the same universe's population, which, as we know, is what environmentalists want to happen. They want to kill half the people.

Yeah, this is how we're going to fight climate change. Kill half of y'all. Right. Wow. Okay, cool. Fox News had a review where uh they talked about how the movie was all about and the franchise in general was all about defending the sanctity of fathers who have been quote culturally downplayed they point to the opening scene of iron man where tony stark says that's how dad did it. That's how America does it. And

it's worked out pretty well so far. That is one of the first things we hear Tony Stark say in the entire franchise. Now it's worth noting that is the introduction of a character whose entire arc is leaving those misguided views behind and leaving his father's legacy of warmongering behind to, you know, become a more progressive part of the decidedly progressive Avengers. But they chose to just ignore that and talk about how, you know, Thanos's daughter is like part of the story I guess and Infinity War and they're like see this is focusing on family values and how the

patriarchy is underrated like a daddy-daughter purity vow or something exactly promise me you won't fuck till you're married. Yeah. You want a picture of him with a gun before she goes to prom. Right. Meanwhile, the other way to read that is Thanos is a despot who apparently loves gold, as evidenced by his gauntlet. Fabulous gauntlet. He wants his daughter to be working by his side at all times, and his political ambition includes fucking over half the population so the other half can have the resources he feels they've been denied.

Wow. Which that's the other way to look at it. A fucking idiot autocrat who's obsessed with gold wants his daughter. I mean, wow, this is crazy. I fail to see the parallel except for the ones that Breitbart is drawing. Well, think about it. Clinton is saying that Chelsea Clinton might run. So, I mean, yo, it's all there.

Totally. Now, an actually really interesting take on a conservative read of a popular movie right now is one that I heard Wesley Morris and Jenna Wertham talking about on their podcast last week. Their podcast is called Still Processing. And they talked about how A Quiet Place, this movie by John Krasinski that is, you know, about a family who is in hiding from these monsters who if you make a noise, they will like come find you and devour you. How that can be read, and they were saying they don't think this was intentionally the point. They just think that this is why it's resonating so much.

How that can be read as a representation of how white Americans feel, where the monsters in this case are brown alien invaders. And if white people make a noise, then the brown aliens come and devour them because they're overly sensitive. And so I don't know.

I thought that was actually a pretty interesting read from them. They put that in the context of the Roseanne reboot, because there's this scene in the Roseanne reboot that I've seen a couple times now, or heard quotes from a couple times now, where Roseanne and Dan fall asleep on the couch, and they sleep all the way from Wheel of Fortune to Kimmel. And she's like, ah, we slept all the way to Kimmel and then Dan is like yeah we missed all the shows with black and Asian people and Roseanne's like well they're all like us

there you're caught up and it's just like really aggressively like yeah seems like that sort of the same point of view as like white people are being like marginalized and pushed to the side, which is, as we were saying. I mean, all we're seeing is white people starting to see what it's like to not be white.

Right. Like, oh, my God. Wow. Raising your voice and feeling like you're going to get savaged. That's a foreign situation to everybody. This is new territory they're forging. I mean, like, hey, look, as that poll suggests, some white people are very fragile. And so to even think of, you know, getting devoured by the brown aliens that have taken

over this country or liberals, I mean, God, it must be so frightening. I think it suggests that, you know, a lot of times we talk about, you know, white people in America being born on third, thinking they hit a triple. Right. And I think that we assume that they're completely ignorant of the advantage that they come into the world with. And I think that this sort of anxiety about, you know, being marginalized, being put on a level playing field suggests that they're not like totally ignorant of it. They're actually well aware of their advantage and they're like terrified of losing that

advantage. Yeah, I think that's a lot of where that fragility comes from. They're like, something might be taken away from me. Right. Which is so fucked up. Yeah. But what was the correlation in the Krasinski movie? Was that like, I don't quite get it.

It's like agrarian people being- Right. Oh, okay. They're like agrarian people being shooketh. All Etsy-ish and shit. And it's basically like if they make a noise, they will be attacked. Like where that's sort of how maybe white Americans feel

in a PC culture. And I let go of Roseanne and was like, I got this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know how to approach this. But one of us will have to go see the Avengers movie at some point this week. And we'll speak more knowledgeably about all the crazy conservative shit that is represented in there. All right.

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He boycotted. He did the honorable thing and had Sarah Huckabee Sanders sit up on that dais and take the heat for him. Yeah. Jesus. And she looked happy to be there. She looked. Oh, yeah.

She always looks thrilled. Yeah. So unhappy. So, yeah, how'd it go down, Miles? How did it go down? Well, let's see. The way it works is every year they'll hire a comedian to roast people. And, you know, when you're hired as a comedian to roast people,

what you're going to do is you're going to go up there and you're going to roast people. And that sometimes means doing jokes that are truth adjacent, that it makes people very uncomfortable. And Michelle Wolf went up there and she had the audacity to talk about some shit that just hit too close to home for people. Now, when I first saw like everybody talking about, I wasn't really going to watch it because I was like, whatever, it's fine. Like this is the least of our problems. But when I heard about like sort of how in Michelle Wolf went, I was like, perfect. I'm glad a comedian went and did a comedian's level roast rather than pulling punches and doing

the DC version of roasting people. Cause it seemed like a lot of the jokes for people who are in comedy go, yeah, that's a joke. And you should be able to take that. But the media world, my God, they clutched their pearls so hard and squeeze them to the point they turned to fucking diamonds. Uh, this is the biggest pearl clutching I think I've ever seen. It was crazy. There were all kinds of jokes. I mean, for me personally, I thought it was, I enjoyed it. There were some jokes that were like, meh, not great. But you know, it seems like for a lot of the truth telling she did, everyone sort of hung on to the jokes that she made about Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Right. And everyone was, I think, using all the other jokes that Michelle Wolf kind of made them uncomfortable with.

They latched on to the Sarah Huckabee thing and then just projected onto that. I mean, she's coming at a feminist icon there. Yeah, feminist icon. Exactly. Woo, boy. I think the thing she said was Sarah Huckabee Sanders burns truths and uses the ash to create a perfect smoky eye. Yeah. That was pretty much the main thing that everyone's freaking out about.

Right. That and also when they said, oh, I love you as Aunt Lydia in The Handmaid's Tale. Now that one was good. That's so good. People keep focusing on the smoky eye one, which is like, it's kind of a sweaty joke. It's like there's too many steps to it. It's a lot. It's a lot.

It's like, all right. And it's also not the least bit offensive. So I don't understand why people are getting mad about that other than that maybe conservatives don't know what that means smoky eye and they're just like don't make fun of her makeup like that's liberal slang for her lazy eye

oh maybe that's what they think she's got smokey eye I don't know what the fuck they're trying to say because honestly objectively that's not about her appearance it's absolutely not

it's like if you made fun of Trump's tie it's the same thing but they're assigning it to her looks but I think because you know they got red for filth

even on the left too I mean like Michelle Wolf had pretty good jokes for even Rachel Maddow and shit too I think

you know it was just that was the thing they could hold on to to basically say like that was so offensive she went I think, you know, it was just, that was the thing they could hold on to to basically say like, that was so offensive, she went too far. And, you know, she just called everybody out. And they obviously always do really well with that.

So I'm sure we should be surprised. Right, right. So I think the two places where she could be seen as making a critique about her appearance was calling her Aunt Lydia because in stature she she somewhat resembles the actress. And that's like a dowdy character. She's a dowdy character, exactly.

So that could be pointed to, and also the fact that there was some reference to her. She was like, whenever she steps to the podium, I don't know whether she's going to lie to us or tell us to pick teams for softball, like something about shirts and skins, which she does have the appearance of maybe a softball player, softball player adjacent.

Oh, I didn't really – I guess I didn't think about that. Yeah. I felt the same way. When I heard it, I didn't even connect because it was, again, a lot of steps there because I didn't get it. But, yeah, if that's what she's trying to reference, you could do better than that. I feel like Sarah Huckabee Sanders should take advantage of this.

Start a makeup line. Right. Liberal tears, lip gloss, and just really go for it. Lies by Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Just get your Lies makeup kit with any Sarah Huckabee Sanders purchase of $50 or more. I feel like that's what Trump would do. Turn it around and, you know. Yeah, brand it.

But yeah, it was funny how she, you could tell as the focus went to her, you could tell she was just boiling as those jokes were happening. She did not seem comfortable with a good ribbing. I mean, granted, she is at an extreme disadvantage of having a sense of humor being raised by Mike Huckabee because that dude doesn't even know how jokes work.

It's just like watching him write jokes on Twitter is just like, are you an alien? What is happening? Maybe that's why some of Michelle's jokes were a little too wordy, because they were like, we want them to relate, so we'll do them in Huckabee style. Right, right, right. And she thought that, yeah, she thought maybe she'd be like,

oh, your dad writes jokes like this. Right, I speak fluent, Huckabee. Excuse me right, right. Did you get that one? Yeah, she thought maybe she'd be like, oh, your dad writes jokes like this. Right. I speak fluent. Huckabee. Excuse me for one moment. So Trump was also pissed about this. He was like, we need to get rid of this filthy dinner. Drudge, the front page of Drudge was like a smut dinner, shocks Washington.

Just everybody was like, you know, yeah, clutching their pearls is a great way to put it. But I think the reason Trump was so upset is that the main way she went in on Trump was pointing out that he doesn't have as much money as he claims he does. He's not as rich as he claims, which I've talked about before on the show that like when I worked at ABC, we did a story on this. show that like when i worked at abc we did a story on this and the only reason we weren't able to come out and prove that he didn't have as much money as he claims he has is because he threatened to sue abc until they had to like basically defang the story right and be like oh donald trump has some money yeah exactly that's basically what we could get away with saying it was a terrible story by the time it reached the air because our legal department was just like, yeah, you can't say any of this because he's going to sue us. But this Michael Cohen guy has been calling us.

It's scary. Well, he only does uses him for some deals. But so Anthony Jeselnik, who was heavily involved in the Trump roast in 2011 on Comedy Central, said that the only guideline they were given, it was basically Trump's one rule, was don't say I have less money than I say I do. His kids were fair game. His wife was fair game, he said. And I remember one of my jokes was about his casino business failing, and I could feel that hurt coming off him. He didn't like that joke. And I told a joke about people being glad he has cancer.

He says an amazement. completely a con man who made up the fact that she's rich to then use that to get people to give him money, which is apparently completely how he's made his money. But because she specifically went in on that one thing that makes him angry, he has really flipped out and I think gotten the conservative media behind him. Yeah. And it was interesting also to see just even also people like from the New York Times or Andrea Mitchell come to Sarah Sanders' defense. Because I think one of the other things that Michelle Wolf points out is that, look, a lot of y'all actually owe Trump a lot

because you are profiting off of him. And rather than being completely objective at times, you want to be a sycophant, you want to suck up for access and things like that, and you're not always doing everyone the service that they're owed. And I think that also struck a lot of journalists, which is, I think that was a line that probably got a lot of journalists to begin coming at her as well, because I don't think a lot of people in that room wanted to do that sort of little bit of introspection, self-awareness moment for them, because they're like, yeah, wait, am I just

also using this guy for clicks? And they are. Yeah. And I think you look at people like Maggie Haberman, like, you know, she's written some good stuff, but at the same time, she also has to suck up to Trump and has to do that visibly and also report in weird ways that has people confused. Like, where do you stand on shit? Because part of the theater, I think for some of these journalists is writing stuff that you're also gaming the people you're writing about. So when they see it, they go,

Oh no, this person's cool. Like I can let them in, but that's part of their calculus to be sort of like inconsistent where they are. It's an awkward position because Maggie Haberman is now a household name and she's a household name because Trump kind of likes her, which must feel weird to her to be like,

I'm like building a career as a legitimate journalist by critiquing this guy. But the only reason that I'm able to do that is because this guy sort of likes me in a way. And so like that makes her almost complicit in the whole thing. Like she's a wing of his propaganda arm. And so she got real pissed off about just the whole thing. to arm and so she got real pissed off about just the whole thing. Her tweet was, she's like, that press sec, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, sat and

absorbed intense criticism of her physical appearance, her job performance, and so forth instead of walking out on national television was impressive. Do they want Kermit to, I don't understand. That's the entire point of the whole fucking thing. Yeah, I mean this is also how everybody responded when

Stephen Colbert in what is now like a legendary comedic performance like one of the comedic performances from our lifetime that might actually be in history books because he went up like on the same day as george w bush and just like fucking shredded him just like tore him to shreds, like in his Stephen Colbert character. And you could hear a pin drop. The jokes went over so well. People were not feeling it, but he just like pushed through. And in the aftermath, in the days after that, I remember, you know, this was the story. It was like, they need to get rid of this correspondence dinner. Like that wasn't funny. The only good thing about it was what a good sport George W. Bush was. And like in the long run, we'll see where things shake out. But I think in the meantime, people are going to be like really worried about, you know, who's feeling

she hurt. And also they're going to be butthurt. And you've again, you know, some people wrote that maybe this is a bad thing because it allows the right fuel to keep fanning this culture war to be like, look at these elites laughing, blah, blah, blah. But at the same time, comedy and comedians, the whole thing is to talk about uncomfortable shit. And sometimes like laughs that make you uncomfortable to get you to think a little bit. Right. And I don't think people appreciated sort of where the jokes took them. Was it too much? I don't know.

Again, you have a comedian up there hired to do a roast, so I don't know what you expected. If you didn't want that, then get, like, that weird old guy who claims he's 28 years old who Trump loves. You know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. Oh, God, what's his name? Dan something?

Dan Neiman? America's favorite millennial comedian? Yeah, who's, like, 70 years old. The guy who's, years old in his 50s yeah get that guy up there but dan name it nyman i think something like that oh yeah what did rosanne say too she the first rule of comedy did you guys see that yeah so rosanne came out in the aftermath and was like the first rule of comedy is never make fun of somebody in the audience if they're more famous than you, because then the audience will be uncomfortable and won't go with you on the ride. And Dan O'Brien at DOB Inc. pointed out on Twitter, he was like, wait, that's the first rule of college?

That seems pretty specific. Damn, that's how you got to where you are? Right. Also, yeah, do you want to hear people talk about someone you don't know about? Lesser? Yeah, like when the Kanye says, hey, how you doing, man? My name's Miles Gray. Man, let me tell y'all about this girl I went to

high school with, man. Kaitlyn Gilmore, man. Fuck. Like, that's going to lose people. There's no touchstone for everyone. Second rule of comedy. Comedy comes from love, not hate. If you feel hate, you won't get laughs. Third rule of comedy. Comedy comes from love, not hate. If you feel hate, you won't get laughs. Third rule of comedy. Grab your crotch and spit

after butchering the national anthem. People will love it. Trust me. She knows. Dan Ninen. D-A-N-N-I-N-E-N. N-A-I-N-A-N. That is the future of political comedy in this country. Just take a look if the conservatives would have theirN. That is the future of political comedy in this country.

Just take a look if the conservatives would have their way. This is your homie. The other thing was the lies aspect that people were hanging on to. There was a guy who went on CNN and was like, I don't think it's a journalist's job to point out lies. They just need to report on what's said, like stenography. Right. Just report on what's there.

I guess, yes, to a certain extent, to say someone is lying means you have to establish their intent in lying or whatever. And if you're being a journalist, then whatever. But it's very clear. There are many examples from this administration that people are misleading intentionally to perpetuate or to further some narrative that protects them or furthers their own agenda. So like especially when you have people talking like that, we also have to remember that we need the press. And above all, the First Amendment is very important. So to come after this comedian for being well within their First Amendment rights to say

what they want to, I think is dumb. And look, if you were too sensitive, then figure out your dinners, man. Hire somebody else. Yeah, she's doing her job. I don't know. Yeah. Trump came out and specifically said that he thinks the dinner needs to be put to rest or start over, which it starts over every year.

Like it's not it's not a thing where they're constantly having this dinner. We need a new format. Yeah. So, yeah, I would love to see what he does with it. I'm sure it would be awesome. I think this is the solution. With a situation like this, she's the only one doing the jokes, right? So they don't get a chance to talk back. So please, for the love of God, I would love to see Sarah Sanders get up there and try to roast her back. Give them the platform back. Wait, don't typically, doesn't the president would go up and do a little prepared bit, right?

Yeah, when the president actually goes to the- Oh, but she wasn't able to do that on his behalf, huh? I don't think so. Oh, I guess not. And I think the comedian closes it. Like usually it's the president or whoever the president equivalent is gets up. And during the Obama administration, it would be just like him killing for 45 minutes straight. And then I've heard the comedians who hosted it

interviewed and they're like, yeah, it's fucking terrible because you follow the president who has great comedic instincts and good timing and he crushes and then you have to get up and he's not even a comedian and he just did better than you're going to do. Yeah, talk about a room that's like everyone's on his side.

Right, exactly. Well, then I guess, yeah, Barbara, you're right. Next year, Trump, start working right now. Put your writer's room together. Start working on these jokes. Get Dennis Miller in there. Yeah, get Dennis Miller up, cake guy. Oh, yeah, that's one thing that everybody needs to be looking forward to.

Oh, yeah, Wednesday. Soon, soon. Yeah, get ready for Wednesday. Dennis Miller responded on Twitter. What a filthy woman Michelle Wolfe is. I'm going to spend the next couple days researching her

and I'll write some really filthy jokes about her on Wednesday. Everyone was like, that's not how Twitter works. Everyone will have forgotten about this by then. You're not quick enough to scope some shit, Dennis? All right. He's got to research those references. I love telling everybody Everyone will have forgotten about this by then You're not quick enough to come up with some shit Dennis Alright He's gotta research those references

I love telling everybody that yeah it's gonna take you that long To think of a comeback Yeah just fucking wait till Wednesday and be like Actually I have some shit to say Don't let people know it's gonna take you like three days To come up with some shit to fucking clap back with But So Trump's actual response was

To shit on Michelle Wolf's delivery, said the filthy, quote, comedian totally bombed and then in parentheses couldn't even deliver her lines, much like the Seth Meyers week performance. So that is still burning him up. Oh, is that the one? That's the one where you just kick that started the engine of spite. Yeah, that destroyed our world. That kick that started the engine of spite. Yeah, that destroyed our world, essentially, the Seth Meyers. That's funny that he's coming at her that she couldn't even say her lines, right?

Because while this dinner was happening, Trump was doing a concert in Michigan, which I call a rally now. I call it Coachella for ignorant people. And Trump, Beyonce, he took the stage and did a 75-minute unscripted jazz solo, which we we love around here because that's when the really wacky shit comes out. So I guess maybe to first start off, let's just answer the point directly, because my man Trump also had trouble saying very basic words as well. This is him talking about Obamacare. I don't his explanation of Obamacare is really interesting to follow. I've just checked this out. But you no longer have the individual mandate. You remember what that is?

That's where you had the privilege, a real privilege of going out and spending a lot of money so that you had the second privilege of not having to buy health care. What the fuck? Couldn't even deliver her lines. Yeah, plib her lines. Yeah, don't talk to me about white because we're out here. So yeah, he's in Michigan and

he did like literally all the hits like he always does. Well, he never fails talking about Hillary talking about the wall talking about immigrants talking about McCain doing a thumbs down on that Obamacare repeal vote. He just had heat for everyone. Then John Tester coming out against John Tester because the senator from Montana was the first one to bring up Dr. Ronny Jackson's complaints.

And obviously, Trump took such a big L rather than, again, accepting responsibility for just nominating the coolest guy you know who's. Right. For the position to run the VA. By the way, he was so accurate in those criticisms that Dr. Ronnie Jackson is not even going to be allowed to come back as the president's doctor. He's demoted, right? He's been demoted. So, like, I don't know why you're getting mad at him. If anything, he did you a favor by letting you know that your doctor was a fuck up.

Yeah. Coming at John, like, which is crazy. This guy's running for election. He's like, oh, I think this guy needs to be out, whatever. So again, moving along. One of my favorite things, though, was when he brings up Latino unemployment. I don't know.

He simply brings up Latinos, and you can kind of start hearing people just fucking booing or whatever. This is another one. And then again, because he's so quick, this man knows how to play a solo. Oh, yeah. He was like, he tries to go back immediately.

He does a sick pivot. I know he's trying to get the brown people in the room. So check this pivot out. Unemployment. Any Hispanics in the room? Hispanic? Nah, not so many. That's okay.

And by the way, in all fairness, Kanye West gets it. He gots it. I was like, wait, does Trump think Kanye's Hispanic? That was such a weird jump. I think he said Kanye gots it, too. Yeah, yeah. He really got street, south side in the building. So shout out to Donald Trump for really bonifying that statement.

Oh, man, what a weird moment of awkwardness with the silence and then into booing. He's like, no, not so much. Okay. Yeah, Latinos. Okay, not so many. Boo. Okay, okay. Kanye.

That activated the background real quick. So if you look in the background, one of my favorite Trump supporting people of color, Michael the black guy, which I'm pretty sure he called himself. He was the dude we've seen around in many rallies. But the last time we really saw him. He's the one black guy they can find who will go on camera and be like, i am a trump supporter and he wears a shirt blacks for trumps he was last time we saw him was during the arizona rally that got pretty litty uh and everyone was like who the fuck is this guy making all the white people uncomfortable despite him wearing pro trump

paraphernalia so this guy michael he was there again somehow he showed up in michigan i don't know where this man lives uh but he's there to be an ever-present black man in the background i mean someone's probably paying him to be like please god show up to this yeah probably i mean oh god i'm shout out to his perm too because it is the next level absolutely bringing him to these yes no question for him yes now this guy michael the black man has a very interesting backstory. His real name was actually Maurice Woodside. And people began kind of digging into it because they're like, who is this guy? Because he had a website that was on his shirt too that said gods2.com or whatever. And it's just full of weird like killer-y type anti-LGBT, just all kinds of wild shit.

And so when you really read into this guy, it's as you would expect someone who is a Trump supporting person of color. Not that you have to be insane, but just check this man out. In around 1980, this from the New York Times, he joined a cult led by Hulam Mitchell Jr. who went by Yahweh Ben Yahweh and eventually turned violent, this cult. This guy, Maurice Woodside, he followed his teachings for years to the point that when this guy's mother got sick, the Yahweh guy was like, do not put her on medicine. Give her a diet of like fruits and vegetables and nuts and herbs. And they're like, she has cancer.

And they're like, I know this will heal her. That did not help. And his brother, like at the time, was like disagreeing. They're like, we need actual medical care. So when eventually this group was put on trial, his brother, his own brother testified against him. When eventually this group was put on trial, his brother, his own brother, testified against him. And the shit that he testified to about his brother, it's next level. I don't even know what to say.

So he testified in court that his brother had helped beat a man named Ashton Green who argued with Yahweh and was taken to the Florida Everglades and beheaded with a dull machete. He also testified that his brother, Maurice Woodside, was the cult member who stabbed a Louisiana man named Leonard Dupree in the eye with a sharpened stick. So the guy who is behind Trump during these things is the guy who beheaded somebody? With a dull machete and stabbed a guy in the eye with a stick. His own brother, that black man you see behind, his own brother is saying, my brother did this shit or testified in court. Now, he was acquitted so take from that what you want but it says a lot who knows exactly where this dude is coming from but if you look at his website it's all the way ignorant it's just cool to think about how chill like people would have been with obama having someone behind him you know and that doing

that yeah oh my god absolutely just we'll just let that go you know no one cares well this is the the never-ending hypocrisy of this of the times we live in but you know what's crazy now when he was acquitted he comes out of the court and people like hey uh what was going on do you know were you scared at all and he says you know why i wasn't scared this is michael the black man talking to the new york times because yahweh wasn't scared uh-huh so uh hey welcome kanye uh you're amongst good people i will say i i was googling uh michael Because Yahweh wasn't scared. Uh-huh. So, hey, welcome, Kanye. You're amongst good people. I will say I was Googling Michael the Black Man, and I felt very weird.

Yeah. Just putting that into Google, I was like, I feel weird doing this right now. No, but that's like the branding he does for his white audience. Right, right. You know what I mean? Where it's like, oh, that's Michael the Black Man, and we can say that because he calls himself that, and it's not problematic, and he's basically letting me feel comfortable with my own racism. Wait, he calls himself that actually? Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, I thought you were just joking. No, no. That's like his branding. That and gods2. Couldn't get gods1. Gods2.com. Yeah.

Huh. I mean, gods.com was a great website. So, you know, I don't know how he's going to follow that up. See? So Trump isn't lying when he says that he got lots of black votes in that thing. He was like, they said black people weren't going to vote for me. I got lots of black votes. There was this guy.

And then, I mean, Kanye, if he would have voted. Right. So, and literally no one else, because if he were able to find somebody else, I'm sure he would have found somebody besides the guy who possibly beheaded somebody in the Florida Everglades with a dull machete. Yeah. Well, diamond and silk, too. You got diamond and silk.

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on the iHe radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back and we wanted to touch on a story uh that that's been kind of not really uh under the radar but sort of under the radar for how crazy it is. You would think that in our world, a story about a celebrity cult with an actress who was, you know, on a major TV show for a long time in a sex cult, that that would be like the number one story. But, you know, the world is what it is today. So we're talking about it now for the first time, even though it's been sort of ongoing for the past couple of months. And many people have been like, talk about this, talk about this.

So the cult is called NXIVM, even though it is spelled N-X-I-V-M. They just know that good social media engineering shit. They know to spell it all weird to get people. Yeah, like ASAP Rocky. Exactly. But yeah, this is a cult that was in existence for a couple decades. They were branding women.

There was like a weird sort of S&M relationship where the leader was sort of the master and they were his slaves vibe to the whole thing. An R. Kelly type of. Yeah. Hashtag mute R. Kelly. And they were branding each other and shit. And I just think it's, this brings me back to something that I've been talking about a lot as I've been reading this book, Lost Connections,

which I mentioned last week, but forgot to say the name of the book. It's called Lost Connections about just the way that a lot of depression and anxiety in the modern world are caused by our sort of taking ourselves out of

having a social network of friends, only having a social network online. We're sort of seeing a systematic withdrawal from social structures. Like one of the examples the book gives that I think is illustrative, even though it's sort of a small thing, is that people used to do like bowling leagues. That was like a huge thing in the 50s and 60s. Everybody would like be on a bowling team and they would like bowl against each other in teams. And like that's just not a thing that ever happens anymore. Now people just go bowling by themselves or, you know, with friends. But you're like on your own.

You're not like part of a team. And anyways, as- When America was great. Right, exactly. Let's go back to that time i think the people who wrote this book just really love bowling they're like i really want somebody to bowl with underwritten by big bowling but uh yeah they just talk about how as our number of friends have gone down depression has gone up uh and you know we developed as a species when we were in tribes and now like since the 60s in particular we've tried

to exist outside of these like social groups uh and we've seen depression and anxiety go up and like one of the ways that you know the i don't know if you guys saw the documentary or i know miles you saw wild wild country but i've seen i haven't seen all of them. I need to watch the last one or two. But the pure ecstasy and pure joy that the people feel of just being part of this group, that's kind of what this book made me think of. Cults are scratching an itch that's out there that's not having a social group to be a part of.

Yeah, and having meaning to move in a specific direction right right well yeah because some people get that from politics some people get it from sports some people get that from other things and i guess if you're more on spiritually inclined uh like a some kind of group like this could get you in but who was allison mack so she was i think uh superman's best friend on smallville. Man, I didn't watch Smallville, so this isn't quite resonating with me. But it's crazy, though, to think that somebody who, you know, is going from Hollywood and has it together. Well, I mean, it's Hollywood, so take that with a grain of salt. But yeah, ends up in like such a violent sort of cult like this.

Yeah, she was hitting up like Kelly Clarkson, Emma Watson, trying to get them to join because their whole pitch was like, this is a feminist movement that like sort of empowers itself by completely seating. By being dominated by a man. To this man master who we are slaves to. Wait, how did they,

I wonder what the logic was there. I want to know what that email looked like. Okay. Now look, I know on paper it sounds like we're just going to be a slave to this man. Yeah, so they never even gave her the time of day because you can actually look at it. There's at Allison Mack tweets at M. Watson. I participate in a unique human development and women's movement I'd love to tell you about. As a fellow actress, I can relate. And then at Kelly Clarkson,

I heard through the grapevine you're a fan of Smallville. I'm a fan of yours as well. I'd love to chat sometime. And just like kept hitting her up over the course of years and Kelly Clarkson was just like, I'm that big a fan. Should we check out this guy everybody was? Keith Rainier.

Keith Rainier, There he is. Oh, dude. He looks like... He's the sexy cult mastermind. He looked like a pickup artist. Yeah. I think his eyes are Photoshop blue in this picture. Oh, no.

Red flag one. I mean, I think everyone is looking for salvation in some way. Sometimes I understand how people get caught up in this kind of shit. Because you're right. They're looking for purpose and they're looking for community and if for some reason you think that this is going to provide same shit the gangs offer kids you know right like you sometimes if you don't have that the first thing that comes your way that seems like it offers you that it might it's appealing make you feel special in some way yeah but you would

think that like now that we're in a world where we have all the world's information at our fingertips with the Internet that like we wouldn't fall for cult shit anymore. But I think because we are becoming more and more isolated from each other because of the Internet, essentially, that we're going to be more and more susceptible to this sort of shit like now and going forward. There's all these like weird YouTube cults and shit where people recruit children to their weird. Well the and it's I mean I think of MRAs as in the same world. Exactly. Where they all kind of like need each other to keep

fueling this. And you know as a great Kanye West said I mean we're in this so called information age but we're starving for wisdom. Let's move on to Kanye. He drops some wisdom. Let's move on to Kanye. He dropped some wisdom. Yeah.

The great philosopher of our time, Mr. West. In real time. So he dropped two songs over the weekend, which would normally be a cause to celebrate. One of them. So one of them was, you know, the beat was kind of cool, the way he like chopped up the song. Yeah. My AKA was a reference to it. Yeah, we thought we were getting the old Kanye back.

Yeah, and then he started rapping. He kind of closes it out with this verse where he's talking shit about how great this is going to be. And here, let's listen to it. God damn! God, I wish that Michelle... Whoop-dee-dee-whoop. Whoop-dee-dee-scoop. Whoop-dee-dee-scoop-poop. God damn! God, I wish that Michelle Wolf... Yo, get the fire extinguisher in here! If I was Michelle Wolf and that had come out the day before, that would have been my opening line. If she just came out and said,

Poop-dee-dee-scoop, first of all. Thank you so much for the White House Correspondents Association. I would just like to start by saying, Poop-dee-dee-scoop. Scoop-dee-dee-whoop. Whoop-dee-scoop-dee-poop. Much for the White House Correspondents Association. I would just like to start by saying, Poopy de scoop. Scoop de de whoop. Whoop de scoop de poop. Poop de scoop de. Scoop de whoop.

Poop. Poop. When he really turns up poop, I'm really into that. Yeah, I remember when that tweet came out, everyone was like, yo, he just put, I don't know, he just released something. I haven't heard it yet. And then the beginning, it's a troll job for sure. And he was even referencing Ebro.

He's like, here's the clothes you might need, brother. Listen to the last verse, gibberish. I'm surprised he didn't Rick Roll everybody. That's the level that this trolling. Yeah. He would need to be more in tune with culture, though, to be able to know about the Rick Roll, I think. That was really the smokescreen for the real uppercut out of nowhere, was his song that he dropped with ti called yay versus the people in which this track uh yay versus the people is basically kanye trying to explain what the fuck he was talking about the

last week when everyone's like have you lost your fucking mind bro yeah which is pretty much what all of his verses are referencing like he's making really valid points he's like don't you get the optics don't you get what Trump stands for? How do you think this is going to do to your legacy? And then Kanye's verses are all just rebuttals to that, which aren't really rebuttals. Yeah. Basically seems like he thought he was telling us something

about his point of view that we hadn't thought of yet. And like, we were going to be like, oh shit. But it's just exactly what you expected him to say. Right. It's the first thoughts that came to your mind when you heard he thought that he was doing a smart thing by joining up on the MAGA side. All right. Well, let's listen to the last two verses, the last Kanye verse and the last T.I. verse. You can kind of get an idea of how this back and forth was working.

This shit just as bad as catholic preachers raping in church i've been leading with hate see i just approached a different like a gang truce the first blood to shake a crip's hand i know everybody emotional is it better if i rap about crack huh because it's cultural okay or how about i'm gonna shoot you a fucking bitch or how about all this gucci because i'm fucking rich you did regard for the lack of respect Starting to make it seem like Donnie cut you a check now you're toying with high lava baby careful with that What's it mean to gain the world if you ain't standing for shit? Okay, I gotta say you sound high as a bitch Get genocide and slavery we should just try and forget and all the free thought shit

Find a better defense, but if you ain't just stuck in there waiting we can leave you to death Hey man, you brought up actual sane points about what I was saying. I guess we can just stop recording here. Let's let the people talk. I feel like this is like, the girl is mine, but they're... Right, exactly. He lets T.I. body him? Yeah. On his own song?

What's crazy is T.I. is really saying, yeah, let's just forget about all the slavery, genocide, and using that history to understand where we are and how to move forward. And then T.I.'s like, I don't know, or maybe you're just stuck in your ways. Fuck it, I don't know, maybe you're an idiot right essentially kind of like yeah okay cool man we can talk about this forever uh he seemed like what you know uh like a ultra right-wing

pundit sounds like when they go on to the news and journalists press them for actual answers like do you understand what this communicates to people and they just completely disregard they don't answer the question. They talk about maybe something thematically that's a bigger thing and speak in generalities. And it's just kind of felt like that was every time T.I. brought up a concern about this political shift or whatever Kanye was trying to do. It was never really addressing what he was saying. It's like, oh, I wore the MAGA hat and I transformed it. No, motherfucker.

The MAGA hat transformed you. Right. I wore the MAGA hat and I transformed it. Right. No, motherfucker, the MAGA hat transformed you. Right. I think he really thinks that maybe he put the MAGA hat on and now people are like, oh, he somehow transformed the symbolic nature of it. Right. It's like a line that he actually says and he's like, I added empathy and love.

And it's like, no, you actually energized a bunch of people on the wrong side. Right. a bunch of people on the wrong side. Right. And I mean, he tweeted at one point over the weekend, he said, you know, I don't know everything about this conservative stuff and the mega side, and I still need to do research. And yeah, that's evident. It's very similar to a lot of conservative talking points in the sense that it is completely failing to take into account the points of view of other people. It's like not even

regarding them as people. And I think in Kanye's case, it's because he has an interesting thing I heard somebody say about like education, like going to colleges. It's important just to humble you because it teaches you all the shit that you don't know. Yeah. And that's the problem, I think, with Kanye and with Trump is that they just, they don't know what they don't know. And so they're just crazy confident in their very myopic. And in the generalities where you're like, no, this is about love and hate. It's like, no. No, it's not. I'm the first crip to shake a blood's hand.

No, just because you embrace Donald Trump doesn't mean that suddenly Donald Trump is going to reciprocate with love and sympathy for these other people that he talks regularly about with complete disregard for their humanity. So I don't know. I mean, cool. Again, I've just sort of been like,

I think everyone just needs to accept that he just doesn't know what he doesn't know and just let him do whatever the fuck he's gonna do i'm tired of this guy oh do you think he just started following he stopped okay remember he was just following kim kardashian now he's following candace owens and emma gonzalez oh nice so i guess that'll balance it out because over the weekend he was like emma gonzalez is my hero and the comments the replies from all his maga fans were like uh hey man you've been really right about most stuff this week uh she's actually like a big bully like they were really shitting themselves over like wait wait what's going on

which leads a lot of people to think like is he trolling is this part of a greater art experiment statement honestly if this poopity scoop kanye is what's the new thing i'll fuck with that i'd rather hear that than the magma bullshit and honestly that song goes harder than the other one i remember when he was making late registration that a reporter went to where he was recording and they said that he was laying down all his verses like dad dad dad dad dad dad like he hadn't written the words yet he was just doing like poop-de-dee-scoop shit like as placeholders for his like verses because he just

knew how he wanted it to sound he didn't know what he wanted to say yet so I wonder if that's what we're seeing you got an accidental placeholder right yeah I fuck with Trump you fuck with Trump and I fuck with Trump too like is that what he's really thinking?

He's like, yeah, hopefully not. Melania is chill. She's misunderstood. I mean, dude, poopity scoop.

I can't stop talking about it. Poopity scoop is dope. Um, I actually really like it. So, uh, I don't know, like,

I don't know how to feel about that. This dude is a joke. He's a clown. He is, but also I still like his music uh i know how far does it go like but you know with the trump shit you know what's funny is that like when you look at a lot of musicians the thing that they think is like a shitty cast-off joke like for instance elvis's whole thing like he did a three-hour session where he like the first time he ever

recorded something where they were like nah man like none of this is hour session where he like the first time he ever recorded something where they were like nah man like none of this is working and then he started doing this bit that he did at home for his mom where he was like oh thank you thank you very much like as a bit and they were like that's amazing and that's how elvis like invented elvis was as a joke so like i think a lot of times like artists uh stealer's, the Stuck in the Middle with You, they're making fun of Bob Dylan in that song. And it's the only hit they've ever had. So it's when these musicians think that they're just fucking doing something as a bit, they're actually making better stuff. And then when they try and do their big serious thing like Kanye did, that's when they sound like shit.

That has to feel like an l for him because nobody is talking about i took the mega hat boy gave it empathy everybody's now poopity scoop yeah he literally he thought he was about to start this big conversation yeah and everyone's talking about nobody's fucking with that other magazine honey you've i'm sorry and that's the thing with intent especially when you're trying to be creative it's's so important to just be honest, right? And I think Kanye released himself of expectation when he was recording Poopity Scoop. And was just like, fuck it. They think, blah, blah, blah.

Watch this. I'm just going to be me or whatever and just fuck around. And then when he puts the intent of trying to spin his really problematic takes, it's just a song that falls flat, in which case the person providing the other point of view completely owns him so again i think everybody needs to make a push imagine if he won a grammy for poopity scoop he would fucking lose his shit because that wasn't the thing to him that deserves it much in the way that his in real time twitter book that is supposed to go up against kendrick's pulitzer yeah you know it's not gonna Yeah. No, I think he's definitely winning the Pulitzer for that, though.

Barbara, it's been wonderful having you, as always. Where can people find you? My website is myjokesareuphere.com and I'm on Twitter at BabsGrey. Awesome. Miles, where can people find you? You can find me trying to memorize the entire verse of

Lift Yourself, starting with poopity scoop, scoopity whoop, whoopity scoopity poop. I think you already got it. Poopity scoopity scoopity whoop. Whoopity scoop whoop poop. Poopity whoop scoop poop poop. Okay, thank you so much. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Grey.

Does anybody have at poopity scoop? Oh, yeah. I remember the second that shit happened, I was looking and the handles were starting to fall, all the iterations. And the thing that was funny is I think people had differing opinions on how to phonetically spell out the lyrics. So there's like whoopity scoop versus like W-H-O-O-P-I-T-Y versus whoopity W-O-O-P-I-T-Y.

Well, because is it like diddy like D-I-T-T-Y or D-I-D-D-Y? D-I-D-D-Y? Who knows? Puskity doo? As they say. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about on today's episode. That is going to do it for today. Miles, what are we going to ride out on? You know, let's just give everybody a palate cleanser. No hip-hop today. No nothing.

I want them to take a trip down to Brazil for one of my favorite Brazilian artists, George Ben. And this is a song called E Jare O Mano Mestre. And that is my whack Portuguese for the day. It's just a really dope, trippy song. This guy was recording, like, really out there shit. And I just really like George Benz, so check this song out. It's got a nice little rhythm to it.

It's got some little delays on it. It's trippy. It's trippy. I fucking love rhythm, man. I love rhythm, man. I'm a big fan. That's why I really fuck with Kanye's verse. Because he's really doing some, doing some triplet swung.

It's almost like, is that almost like iambic pentameter? It has a rhythm to it. Guys, I'm really going to delve into these lyrics and I might start seeing the Matrix on all of this. Anyway, peep George Ben and have a good week. All right, we're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast.

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