The Daily Zeitgeist - Manafort / Cohen News Breaks Fox News, Papa John: The Truth 8.23.18

Episode Date: August 23, 2018

In episode 218, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Guy Branum to discuss Olive Garden's new pasta pass, Papa John's personal website, the fall out of the Cohen plea and the Manafort trial plus the ...responses from Trump and Fox News, Duncan Hunter's indictment that went unnoticed, a New York woman who tricked a bunch of men on Tinder, and more! FOOTNOTES:1. Gorge on fettuccini until you beg for sweet death with Olive Garden's year-long, unlimited Pasta Pass2. Save Papa Johns3. With Cohen Implicating Trump, a Presidency’s Fate Rests With Congress4. Man Charged After Leading Investigators To Body Believed To Be Missing Iowa Woman5. Turley on Cohen Plea Deal: Trump Could Be 'Unindicted Co-Conspirator' on Campaign Finance Violation6. Lanny Davis: Trump "Corrupted Our Democracy," He "Directed" Michael Cohen To Do A "Criminal Act"7. Who Is the Mysterious “Individual-1” Implicated by Michael Cohen?8. Trump likely safe after Cohen guilty plea, but Mueller report will be fodder for foes9. Trump Praises Manafort for Refusing to ‘Break,’ Unlike Cohen, His Former Fixer10. Tucker Carlson guest Alan Dershowitz compares Micheal Cohen's campaign finance violation to jaywalking11. Trump’s comparison of the Cohen allegations to Obama is entirely wrong12. The difference between Michael Cohen and Barack Obama, explained for Donald Trump13. The 30 most astounding moments in Rep. Duncan Hunter's 47-page indictment14. Eagles’ ‘Greatest Hits’ Overtakes Michael Jackson’s ‘Thriller’ as Best-Selling Album15. A New York woman scammed dozens of men into doing a 'live Tinder'16. My Life as a Goddess: A Memoir through (Un)Popular Culture By Guy Branum17. WATCH: Bobby Oroza - This Love Pt. 1 Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:21 For Thursday, August 23rd, 2018. My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. You're So Gray. You probably think this song is O'Brien. You're so gray. So gray. I bet you think this song is O'Brien. Brian. Brian.
Starting point is 00:02:40 That is courtesy of Edmund Alcock at Dreadmond on Twitter, and I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! A.K.A. Little Miles, Little Miles, Little Miles, can't be wrong. Oh, you know, we were talking about spin doctors and my man, Matias,
Starting point is 00:02:57 at El Mejotao from Providencia, Chile, came through with that, A.K.A. So, hola la gente de Chile! Chi, chi, chi! Le, le, le! Okay, vamos, Chile, came through with that, a.k.a. so... Listen to that pronunciation. Hola, la gente de Chile. Chi, chi, chi. Le, le, le. Okay, vamos, Chile. All right, thank you so much for that.
Starting point is 00:03:10 Zyte Gang, internationally known and locally respected. I want you to do that persona for like a whole show once. All right, well, you know, we'll have to do that along with the Wahlberging episode. That'll eventually happen. We are thrilled to be joined by the very funny writer and comedian and host of Talk Show the Game Show, Guy Branum. Hello.
Starting point is 00:03:27 Good to be here. Hello. Thank you. A.K.A. Guy Branum. Guy Branum. Branum and Blaileys. Ooh. My attempt at Barnum.
Starting point is 00:03:37 You're liking that one? Yeah. Fire, fire, fire. Send up the rescue flare for that joke. Who's the comedy writer now? All right. You know, other side note, you know the animal crackers, like Barnum's animal crackers that we see as kids?
Starting point is 00:03:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah. They took the jail bars off the box. Oh, did they? So now the animals are just sad. Free to roam. In a free-range menagerie where they're poorly taken. Free to roam and attack the audience. Do you think a Madagascar situation will go on
Starting point is 00:04:04 where they'll escape and go to a different place? Oh, that would be wonderful. A fun place? Yeah. Well, Guy, we're going to get to know you a little bit better, but first we're going to tell our listeners what they're in store for today. We are going to be talking about some very important news that is breaking in the world right now. Yeah, very important breaking news. The world of quality Italian dining in particular.
Starting point is 00:04:24 world right now. Yeah, very important breaking news. The world of quality Italian dining in particular. We now have a movie pass for linguine. The annual pasta pass for the Olive Garden is out there. Also, saypapajohns.com is a website that is in full effect and has been launched by Papa John. And I think we're going to spend most of the show on those two stories, actually. And I think we're going to spend most of the show on those two stories, actually. But if there's time, we'll also talk about the Cohen story, the Manafort story, Mana phone. We're going to talk just basically about those. In the second act, we're going to talk about how Fox News is responding, how the president is responding, What some of his responses have to do with Obama. He's now saying, well, Obama did it.
Starting point is 00:05:10 We'll look into whether that's true. And then we're going to talk about the luckiest dude in the whole, all of the stories that were breaking yesterday, Duncan Hunter, who had a third story that broke that just got completely overshadowed, but it was just fucking wild. No one cares. And if we have time, we're talk about michael jackson getting beat out by the eagles and a guy getting pulled into a reality show competition via matching with someone on tinder but first guy we like to ask our guests what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are i am going to say the word Paranakan because after watching Crazy Rich Asians
Starting point is 00:05:50 and reading Crazy Rich Asians, I was like, I need to know more about the Chinese of Singapore. And so I just read a nice Wikipedia entry. Is it actively engaging with a culture? No. Is it reading a Wikipedia entry. Is it actively engaging with a culture? No. Is it reading a Wikipedia entry? Yes. And then I went and looked for photos of the brightly colored candies that are highly referenced
Starting point is 00:06:13 in the book but don't come up in the movie. The movie gives you a nice noodles and beer scene. Not quite enough chili crab to my taste. But I was like, I thought in the movie i would get to see those like singaporean candies and so then i just looked at photos of singaporean candies what do they look like they're very very brightly colored i didn't read the book but are this like something that the characters are eating all the time yes like at the fancy house like they're constantly throwing down with pineapple tarts and these brightly colored candies. And they come up and there are a lot of footnotes that explain them.
Starting point is 00:06:47 But you can't explain a candy. You have to look at it. What is perinakin? How do you spell that? I think, first let me show Miles, Nyonya candies. Yes. Nyonya cakes. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:03 I've seen those in Asia. Okay. nonia cakes oh yeah yeah i've seen those in asia okay um perinakini is just a cultural term for uh the straits chinese who have been there for a long time and sort of developed a culture that has integrated aspects of malay and indonesian culture right i understand it yeah and a lot of people directed us to a facebook post from a singaporean activist who was saying like yo singapore is actually really fucked up. I know you guys love the movie, but people need to know about the situation in Singapore, about how sort of it's very racially divided and how the Chinese benefit greatly from a lot of the taxes that people pay.
Starting point is 00:07:38 And yeah, there was an interesting take on it that I hadn't quite realized. But you know, I had similar issues with The Wedding Planner. That's not all of San Francisco. I'm just saying, like, glossy, I mean, that's the thing about a glossy rom-com is that a glossy rom-com is going to ignore human squall. Oh, 100%, yes. Guy, what is something you think is underrated? Oh, something that I think is underrated, political parties.
Starting point is 00:08:05 Hey, everyone loves talking shit about political parties because they think, oh, they're what's wrong with America. And it's like, no, they also do the job of sort of like finding consensus and understanding that this is a long-term game and they have to work with each other. in our political parties that has stopped legislatures from being able to get anything done or put any sort of check on the executive, which leaves us in the terrifying situation that we are today. Remember when we still had Justice Kennedy protecting our democracy? Yeah. Wow. How long ago was that?
Starting point is 00:08:37 Yeah. So just reading between the lines, you're mainly talking about the Republican Party being underrated. I mean, I'm just saying, like, you know, remember what Republicans in the 80s and, like, you know, before Newt Gingrich were terrible in their way and they were doing lots of terrible things, but they also understood that, like,
Starting point is 00:08:54 compromise and bipartisanship was necessary. Right. And that you also had a responsibility to keep your party from being, you know, actively vociferously racist. And now we don't really have that anymore. Overrun by grifters. Yeah. I was reading an article about a woman who became a U.S. citizen but is now going back to the U.K. where she's from. And she was saying that
Starting point is 00:09:18 her partner actually like identified that we were going in the direction we were going to all the way back when the Affordable Care Act didn't get a single Republican vote. He was like, oh shit, that is really dangerous. That means that we're more polarized than we've ever been before, and we're in a lot of trouble. I will take a controversial stand here that it did receive the most important Republican vote that was possible, which was John Roberts in the Supreme Court. Yes, absolutely. I think if Obama had hammered through single payer or something more functional without making all of those gestures towards bipartisanship, I don't think that the Supreme Court would
Starting point is 00:09:57 have upheld the ACA. Right. Yeah. Well, there you go. What do you think is overrated? I'm torn. I'm going to go with the situation comedy Friends. Friends.
Starting point is 00:10:07 Overrated. It sure is watchable. Is it funny? I don't know. Did it fundamentally destroy what sitcoms were? Maybe. It made it more about upscale affability than it did about actual jokes. It was just all likability.
Starting point is 00:10:25 And to this day, like if you're on a set for a sitcom, they are still trying to make New York apartments that look like that. Right. And it's why we don't watch sitcoms anymore. I've noticed that on the Big Bang Theory that they seem to take place in the same apartments as Friends did. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:41 But isn't that in L.A.? I don't know. Don't they work at like JPL or some shit? They're in Pasadena. That's correct. Right. Yes. But I.A.? I don't know. Don't they work at JPL or some shit? They're in Pasadena. That's correct, yes. But I don't actually watch the show. I've just seen it and been like, whoa, that looks like Friends. Hey, what's your shirt say, Jack?
Starting point is 00:10:54 Bazinga? Weird. Miles. Where's that from? I don't know. I don't even know. I don't even know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:11:00 My friend gave this to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Friends, I didn't watch as a kid because it didn't really appeal to me. At the time, it just wasn't edgy or I guess because it was mostly affluent white people, I just was like, oh, I guess that's a show. And I know so many people are treated as gospel. It's the best show. And I watched a few episodes here and there, and I laugh.
Starting point is 00:11:22 No one's saying Lisa Kudrow's not a talent. Nobody's saying that. No, no, no, no, no, no. and I don't think it's necessarily a bad show but I watch them like oh yeah it's this it's got some moments but it does still didn't like hook me and I'm like ha ha yeah friends just the overall universe that they created it's a revisionist version of Manhattan where everybody is wealthy and white is there ever 9-11 never happened. Is there ever a comedy or a show that takes place in New York recently that actually accurately represents the squalor most New Yorkers live in? Two Broke Girls. I've heard.
Starting point is 00:11:58 I don't watch it. They still had a relatively huge apartment. Yeah, they do. And fundamentally, starting your own cupcake store would be more expensive than that. Right, right. It would. Yeah, no. You know, I think that was one of the things that people liked about the Roseanne reboot
Starting point is 00:12:15 and just Roseanne in the first place was that it actually showed people who weren't wealthy but had other baggage. I mean, you guys need to get on that one day at a time train netflix is one day at a time no one has heard it's so good also why would anyone watch a multicam on uh streaming but it's so good and also like they live in more realistic economic circumstances oh i like that yeah everyone's been talking about that the multicam thing i guess i wonder is that what did friends put that nail in the coffin for me? Like, I can no longer just palette watching a multicam show? The thing is, is a couple of years ago, I was like a recurring guest star on a multicam that was shooting on the Warner Brothers lot.
Starting point is 00:12:54 And I was like there in the apartment thing, and I was like, this is what's wrong with sitcoms right now. I'm in that apartment. Well, and also we're just still trying so hard to make a sitcom for 1996 or making something that isn't a sitcom. The half-hour comedies that people are excited about today are things like Master of None or Atlanta that have gone so far outside of the boundaries of that. And I think that that is sort of about dispelling what Friends kind of did to the multicam sitcom. Yeah, absolutely. And finally, what is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false?
Starting point is 00:13:30 Periodically, usually in TV or film, there will be a reference to a law intern, and currently on the Star series, The Girlfriend Experience. The reason that our main character had to become a prostitute was because she was not making enough as a law intern. And that is not a thing.
Starting point is 00:13:45 That is not a thing that exists. Right. I went to law school. You get a job as a law clerk. Like if you get a job as a law clerk and when you're a law clerk for a large firm, you're making so much money. Like what are we talking? What?
Starting point is 00:13:59 What are we talking? Um, like when I look, I went to law school like 20 years ago, but it was a couple of grand a week. You know, it was like. All right, Jack, I got to go, bro. Like, it was kids who were making like $50,000 or $60,000 over the course of a summer. Wow. Jesus Christ. Oh, it's summer?
Starting point is 00:14:16 Yes. I didn't make that much selling ass. And so, like, there's always this like, she's going to go be a law intern where she's not getting paid. And it's like, no, you're on the course to a way of life there. No one's expecting you to humiliate yourself for that. To be working for free, it needs to be one of the fun jobs that everybody wants. In entertainment, there are a lot of people who are working very hard for no money. And that's how you keep poor kids from getting cool jobs. Making sure that only billionaires children can afford to come intern for a show there
Starting point is 00:14:50 you go so when they do show people struggling on tv they can't even get the job right they make up a job because they're just so unfamiliar with like people struggling law is just the best generic profession. It's the one that we love where, oh, she makes kind of nice money and has to put on a suit and let's never ask ourselves again what they do with their lives. Right, right, right, right. Like Miranda from Sex and the City. She was more of a lawyer than most lawyers on TV.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Yeah. All right, guys. What about Steve? What happened to Steve? Steve. Hey, Miranda. That's all I'm going to remember that game. Ah, shit.
Starting point is 00:15:27 I'm fucking Steve. All right, holler at me, Steve from Sex and the City. Looking for you. Looking for you. Love Steve. As much as I'd like to keep talking about Steve, like I said, we have breaking news. Yeah. There is a movie pass, but for Linguini.
Starting point is 00:15:41 Yes. For $300? That seems like a fucking deal, man. Yeah, for $300, okay, the place that we know as El Jardin
Starting point is 00:15:50 de los Olivos or The Olive Garden is giving you the pasta pass. So yeah, 52 weeks of quote,
Starting point is 00:15:59 unlimited servings of the guest's favorite pastas, homemade sauces, and toppings accompanied by unlimited soup, salad, and breadsticks. And look, that's fucking less than $1 a day if you're really out here struggling or you just get the wild take-home thing and you have a pretty good meal going.
Starting point is 00:16:13 This goes on sale today, Thursday at 2 p.m. Eastern. Now, as of right now, it has not gone on sale. And hey, hold on to your butts because this shit could go real quick for some people if they're insane enough to buy a $300 all-you-can-eat pasta pass. But yeah, if you're not ready to throw down three C-notes on it, they have something a little less involved. They have an eight-week pasta pass for $100. Okay. And that's valid from September 24th to November 18th.
Starting point is 00:16:38 So that's two bucks a day if you're really looking at it like that. So you just have to be willing to eat every meal at Olive Garden. Yeah. Yeah. What's wrong with that? Yeah. you just have to be willing to eat every meal at Olive Garden. Yeah. Yeah. What's wrong with that? Yeah. You just have to live near an Olive Garden. Get a little wedding soup, get a little pasta fazool, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:16:51 You can switch it up every day. This reminds me of like right after the Soviet Union fell and they were like handing out little pieces of the state run gas companies and all these oligarchs just came in and were like, hey, man, I'll buy your share of the company off you for this boot. Yeah. And people were just like, yeah, sure, man. So you guys, run, don't walk, and buy up all these shares
Starting point is 00:17:18 because they're going to be worth their weight in gold. Oh, yeah. Oh, some oligarchs? Sorry, Super Producerarks Just dropped in Olive Garks And he wins he wins the show We can stop it right now The man in the box comes again
Starting point is 00:17:34 On other thriving Italian dining Establishments You can't even bring yourself to say this I'm just disappointed Savepapajohns.com is a website that has been launched by John Schnatterly. So Schnatter. Schnatter.
Starting point is 00:17:53 Yeah, let's add Schnatterly. Let's throw a syllable on there. Lady Schnatterly's lover. He's getting real emo about it. He's saying he really misses us and wants us to know the truth. Yo, he's really trying to fucking red pill the people out here about what went down with his ouster from Papa John's. So you go to savepapajohns.com and the landing page is him with his arms crossed. And it says, I am Papa John. I built Papa John's from the ground up and remain its
Starting point is 00:18:22 largest shareholder. I love my company, capital C, its employees, franchisees, and customers. The board wants to silence me, so this is my website and my way to talk to you. As I said in a recent letter, I miss you all very much more than words can express. I mean, Papa, it just goes on. He uploaded court documents to try and demonstrate how the board really fucked him over or was not cooperating with him and he just that can't be legal right i mean probably not i don't know maybe if it's settled if it's a settled matter i mean but honestly i don't think anyone cares at this point because it's just papa john screaming into the void if you've ever given
Starting point is 00:18:58 a speech about being an entrepreneur you never get to whine again like if you were ever like being an entrepreneur, you never get to whine again. Like if you were ever like, I'm a self-made millionaire. I'm like a pizza magnate. You never get to be like, life was unfair. It's like, no. What happened, Mr. Bootstraps? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:17 Bootstrap your way out of this one, Papa. What is his endgame? Does he think there's going to be a public uprising where people are like, give Papa his company back? I honestly honestly based on because he's really trying to like there's legal documents then there's a tab for statements and press releases there's like there's so much shit in here that he really wants to lay out like a logical appeal to people to be like i should still be the papa couple of points people need to learn how to buy an island people need to learn how to buy an island. People need to learn how to buy an island, say both of my knees work, and go off and have themselves a time and enjoy themselves.
Starting point is 00:19:49 If you want to be vindictive and vengeful, the only option here is to open up a storefront pizza place in Brooklyn and then build that into a small niche chain that is successfully competing. Hasn't he seen Baby Boom? that is successfully competing. Hasn't he seen Baby Boom? That's the way you get back at the board that ousts you is by creating a better company and then saying, no, I won't sell it to you. Get even. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:20:13 Don't get revenge. Get even. And Papa John is our core demographic, Papa himself. So he is listening. Yeah, middle-aged Coke abusers is our audience. His faces look crazy in every photo, then yes, this is for you. Sweat to the point that the hair dies running down their face, yeah. Hey, hey.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Hey. Come on now. I didn't see that. I don't know. I'm not going to take that from Papa. He's still got the wild, the strong hairline. Okay. We are going to take a quick break.
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Starting point is 00:24:52 And we're back. And in addition to laughing at all of Gark over the break, we at the Daily Zeitgeist have been talking a lot about the two huge stories that broke on Tuesday within two minutes of one another. Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, Cohen pled guilty and said, kind of went out of his way to say, and the president told me to do it. Or rather, individual number one told me to do it. Or the candidate. At it. Or the candidate. At the direction of the candidate. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:32 I violated campaign finance laws by making payments to affect the election. And then Manafort was found guilty on eight counts. And basically all of the... He was found guilty on one in every category, it seems like. Yeah, it was the foreign banking ones they had trouble getting him on, on the Manafort's trial. And also the one with the dude from the bank in Illinois who was going to be old perspective roles. Steve, what the fuck, Cock is his name.
Starting point is 00:25:57 The guy who thought he was going to be the secretary of the army. Oh, yeah. They weren't able to find him guilty on that one. Oh, really? Yeah, that seemed pretty clear. But I think maybe they were looking at it as like, well, it's kind of an inside job. Like it wasn't just Manafort corrupting him. Like it seemed like they were doing a little bit of a dance together.
Starting point is 00:26:12 Well, those are also mistrials. He'll be retried on those, right? Right, yeah. They want to. The government can always retry him on those. And there's also the fact that this finding by the jury stand up to scrutiny. fact that this finding by the jury stand up to scrutiny like if they try and come back and say oh they found or declare the finding whatever the legal thing is where you go back and like re-examine a finding by a jury by showing that they found him guilty only on some and not on
Starting point is 00:26:41 others it makes their finding like seem more serious I guess, because it's not like, yeah, yeah, he's guilty. Fuck it. Let's get out of here. So then there's the Cohen thing, which is kind of harder to... I mean, you can say the Manafort thing doesn't involve the president. It doesn't directly involve them. It just strengthens the case that the Mueller probe is no longer a witch hunt, can no longer be called a witch hunt. Well, I mean, I thought it was about collusion. Right. Yeah, so it's not directly about collusion.
Starting point is 00:27:10 Or it's a collusion witch. Right. When will she make her appearance? a chunt because you know this and after the Manafort verdict and the Cohen plea broke on Tuesday we went and looked at like QAnon forums and they were like having a real tough time with this they were like wait but why so they're doing this on purpose it's because well Manafort will go to jail undercover right for the deep state to state to uncover the real pedophile ring in prison of Obamacare. So therefore, in the Iraq such as. So, yeah, they're definitely spinning their wheels.
Starting point is 00:27:58 And I mean, the first reaction was like, well, it doesn't implicate the president. I think it does, because he's saying, granted, he not named in this indictment, that it says candidate one. The details are pretty clear that that would be Donald Trump. And so that's like, yeah, he's implicated in the commission of two felonies. And we also found out where Cohen was getting his reimbursement from for all those payments is actually coming from Trump's company. But he got like four hundred thousand, even though he paid Stormy Day ands $130,000. It doesn't quite add up. There's still some digging to be done with that. But it's definitely not a good look. Sarah Sanders was looking like she wasn't really trying to have it at the press briefing yesterday. Was this kind of being like,
Starting point is 00:28:39 oh, we're not we don't need to talk about the back and forth about blah, blah, blah. It was very nervous times, I think, at the White House. Yeah. I really enjoy that our president has not particularly paid attention to how attorney-client privilege works. Right. And has talked very openly about things that he's probably going to try to say, oh, that is a privileged communication about at some point in time in the future. And it's going to be like, but you already talked about it. Yeah, I know. And then even with like Rudy going out and blowing the whole thing up too,
Starting point is 00:29:09 was just like, oh, well, yes, he did know about the Trump Tower meeting. Like there's no, is everyone just a bad lawyer? Okay, I think I might have stayed in the law if I had understood that careers like Paul Manafort's and Michael Cohen's could exist. Like just being like a dirtbag who essentially only uses your lawyer status to hide secrets for like the bodies that you're covering up. But also you'll flip on the people you're protecting as soon as any danger comes to you.
Starting point is 00:29:37 That seems really fun. And then before we started, we were talking about how much just like being a soulless Manafort style, like power broker, just willing to do anything for anyone with money. I mean, I guess I understood that that kind of law existed, but not in such an international context. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, granted, I mean, I'm sure you went to a fine law school.
Starting point is 00:29:57 I mean, Michael Cohen went to the worst fucking law school in America. Oh, really? And he's still pulling this shit. Yeah. So, I mean. The law school of hard knocks. What is it? I think it was Devery.
Starting point is 00:30:07 Oh, Devery. Oh yeah. Devery state. Yeah. But the Cohen thing, I mean, there's a real argument to be made that not only is it the president being an
Starting point is 00:30:21 unnamed co-conspirator and a felony, but that this fundamentally swung the election because he's paying to keep a scandal from breaking in the days immediately before an election that he won that came down to 77,000 votes across three states. So I don't know. There've been studies that find that things like who won a football game can move an election by 5%, just like how happy the people are going into the voting booth. So it just seems like there's an outcome there. There's really like stakes to this. Well, also, like the more you have real legal things implicated, the more emails become discoverable. Right.
Starting point is 00:31:05 And like these are not two men who are discreet. Right. And I think the more emails we get, the closer we come to sort of understanding what happened to our democracy. Yeah, absolutely. And I think the Lanny Davis, who's Michael Cohen's personal lawyer, he did the rounds on the news shows yesterday. And he was basically like yo this man is waiting to exhale right he wants to spill all the fucking tea to Robert Mueller and he's like willing to do it and you know we'll see where that actually goes but Lanny Davis was seeming to
Starting point is 00:31:35 suggest you know that he's like to sort of paraphrase he was saying like Michael Cohen wants everyone to know the truth about Donald Trump can I ask you guys a question yes on every season of American Idol there's the real question of like, which of these people is gonna break out? Who's gonna be the Jennifer Hudson here? It's not necessarily the person who wins. Right. And this is essentially American Idol
Starting point is 00:31:52 or The Bachelor for dirtbag lawyers. Right. Like one of these dirtbag lawyers is still going to have like a CNBC show nine years from now. And who do you think it is? Who, like, is it Cohen? Is it Davis?
Starting point is 00:32:08 Is it Stormy Daniels' dude who's running for president? Right. Definitely Stormy Daniels' dude who's running for president will have some manner of show. But I could see, I don't know, Cohen might have compromised himself too much to the Fox News audience. Yo, but if people like R. Kelly could come back,
Starting point is 00:32:25 you know what I mean? Like if Michael Cohen just did some felonious campaign violations. He seems to have a dirtbag sort of villainous charisma about him that would make him good television. Yeah. Like the fact that he told some reporter what I'm going to do to you will be disgusting
Starting point is 00:32:44 is like that's just an all time like- You got moxie, kid. Yeah. he told some reporter, what I'm going to do to you will be disgusting. That's just an all-time. You got moxie, kid. Yeah, I guess that's what you call that in the world of just the worst human beings on the planet. But I would watch a Michael Cohen show just to see what would happen. Yeah. But again, like with Lanny Davis, he was basically saying that Michael Cohen has knowledge that has things directly to do with the attack on the election and the hacking and collusion. And he says he knows all these things and he's willing to talk to Robert Mueller about it. We'll see where that goes.
Starting point is 00:33:18 I mean, we don't know. And a lot of people were speculating like, well, there was no cooperation agreement in place when he pled guilty or whatever. And the reporting seems to be that Michael Cohen only spoke to the prosecution like last week. People were speculating like, well, there was no cooperation agreement in place when he pled guilty or whatever. And the reporting seems to be that Michael Cohen only spoke to the prosecution like last week. So it takes a little time for them to ink that deal if that was going to happen. But you also don't know if they don't want to do everything out in the open. Is that from your knowledge of the law? Do you have to disclose that kind of thing if there was a plea deal, if there was a cooperation agreement? I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Right. But I went to law school a long time yeah that's fine i mean look this is a second rate podcast no one really cares about what we say so but the one thing i do love is that trump is always saying collusion's not a crime it's like but conspiracy yeah right and that's what everyone's saying that's what everyone's saying now is this gosh yeah because even then this implicates him in the conspiracy for these all these other things along with david pecker to you know sway the election and violate these campaign finance laws and you know the other thing about paul manafort is he's looking at around nine
Starting point is 00:34:15 years of of prison time based on this verdict uh that just came out so and now he has another fucking trial in dc coming up uh this next month so he's looking down the barrel of doing this shit all over again and just tacking on a few more free nights at casa de criminal uh for free so i don't know if that at that point like if he really is gonna start talking or make any kind of deal like it's gotta be now you think because then his lawyers are gonna look at all the evidence because I think the prosecution is going to release the list of evidence that they have, and they're probably going to be looking at Paul like,
Starting point is 00:34:51 yo, bruh, this is a fucking loser. What are you going to do here? And unless he is waiting for that magical, sweet chariot of the presidential pardon to come and take him home, I don't know what he's going to do because he is older, and I don't think you even want to spend – I doubt he even liked being in jail for the last few months. At least you can tell by his dye job. He definitely is missing the outside world.
Starting point is 00:35:16 Yeah, his hair is turning gray all of a sudden. I know. I don't have to. He must be under so much stress. I mean, minimum security. You do some pottery. You learn a language. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Good way to spend your final years, I think. Yeah. So. But will he crumble? We don't know. So I'm always eager to, when a big story like this breaks,
Starting point is 00:35:36 you know, we know how the libs are going to respond at the New York Times. The New York Times had a headline that I think was one of the larger fonts I've seen them use this year. They're like, we're not total fuckheads. They were pretty into this story. So I was keeping an eye on Fox News over the past 24, 36 hours. And the number one story on Fox News for the first 24 hours after this broke was, of course, the fact that Molly Tibbetts, the Iowa jogger's body, was found. And much more importantly, the suspected killer was an illegal immigrant. Of course.
Starting point is 00:36:18 So that was the main story that Fox News was focusing on. That was also the second thing Sarah Sanders brought up before she took questions. It's like, there's a hurricane in Hawaii, and also an illegal immigrant killed a lady, so all right, what else do you want to talk about? That's amazing. That's pretty amazing that that was brought up by the White House press secretary.
Starting point is 00:36:36 I mean, it makes sense. It's their playbook. But it's bonkers. It has nothing. Yeah, okay. Oh, did you guys hear about, like, the big scandal rocking Canada currentlyada currently is that like a person tried to troll trudeau with like barely veiled racist language and he was like your racism has
Starting point is 00:36:52 no place here and it's just like exciting that there is a place on our continent where if somebody does something that is barely veiled racism you can say like oh that is racism um and the fact that the the convert like the conversation that this person got killed, there's a suspect, and we must discuss their immigration status. Right. Like, everyone's behaving as though that's something we do in all cases. Right. Yeah. The tragedy here isn't that she was murdered.
Starting point is 00:37:17 Right. Okay. It's that an illegal immigrant got in here. Yes. All the way to Iowa. Yeah. And then I guess someone got murdered. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:37:23 Yes. All the way to Iowa. And then I guess someone got murdered. So on TV, I want to play a clip from actual Fox News, the television version, because they were talking about this news and what one of their legal analysts had had an interesting point. I mean, first of all, it's important to keep three things in mind. One is the president's not actually named as an undiated co-conspirator, but under the facts, it implicates him. Second, Michael Cohen is a perfectly dreadful witness for any fact witness. He has a bad history in terms of statements that he has made. And then third, the defense is in fact the definition of the crime. I don't know what the third point was there, what that meant, but I just think it's funny that he's saying it's important to keep in mind that the president is not named because, okay, so in the thing they refer to individual one and somewhere in the
Starting point is 00:38:18 document, it says in or about January, 2017, Cohen left the company and began holding himself out as the, quote, personal attorney to individual one, who at that point had become the president of the United States. Now, now, hold on. They could be talking about somebody else. Right. As Norm MacDonald famously said in Billy Madison. I mean, yeah. But.
Starting point is 00:38:42 I mean, that's true. He's not named. That doesn't. But then he does go on to be like, but this does seem to implicate him. Right. Yes. But why is it important that it doesn't specifically name him? But they're still just throwing that out there on the off chance that somebody who's watching just won't follow up.
Starting point is 00:38:59 And they'll just be like, well, it doesn't name him. I think one of the main reasons it's important he's not named is that most Fox News viewers cannot read a newspaper unless they go get their other glasses. Right. And so they're not going to, you know, do any further research. Right. They're like, well, I heard it on Fox. I think we're okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:17 And then so that same clip a little later on, we're going to listen to an actual valid point that the same analyst makes. This has always been a controversial area. They brought these charges against John Edwards and it failed in court. Now, they did not have someone like Cohen who is saying that I made these payments intentionally with the motivation of influencing the election at the behest of the candidate. That makes it a stronger case than Edwards. But this has always been very controversial as to the candidate. That makes it a stronger case than Edwards. But this has always been very controversial as to the motivation. Is it really to influence the election, as Cohen says, or is
Starting point is 00:39:50 it more because he's a married man and he wanted to bury the scandal? Right. So they're comparing it to the case of John Edwards, where in 2008, after Edwards was no longer a relevant political figure at all. And after his campaign had totally fizzled out, they brought a similar case against him where he was using campaign contributions to pay off somebody he fathered a child with. And the question there was whether that was to help keep his bid alive or whether it was to keep it from his wife, who at that time was a public figure and she was terminally ill. And there was a legitimate question of between those two, like whether, and I think there normally would be with most people, whether they were worried about their spouse finding out. However, in this specific case with
Starting point is 00:40:46 the president, not only, as I point out, is Cohen like an X factor because he's the president's lawyer who's willing to talk and has like tapes of him. But there's also the fact that the president, this is in the days right before he won the election for the presidency. So it has a much greater impact. And also, the president leaked his own infidelity to the New York Post because he wanted people to talk about how big his dick was during the 80s, during a messy divorce where his kids were like school age and it was actively ruining their lives. He was like, OK, tell them about how much sex I'm having and how i'm the best lover that my mistress has ever had so he has been shown on the record to actively not give a
Starting point is 00:41:33 fuck if his wife finds out that he's cheating on her uh so i don't know like what whether that holds up in court i just think it's like well they're all kind of guys there aren't there like sort of sides to the same coin essentially like if the information is out whatever the effect of is either way if it's out your wife will be upset and that could affect the election regardless it seems like an odd but it affects the state of mind that's motivating it which is why these things are like get messy like the thing is is like we have all these campaign finance laws and everybody breaks them and we don't have real enforcement that means anything and also he's the president of the united states what would real enforcement look like it all just comes down to who gets elected this november right like i mean there are like this investigation is giving high crimes and
Starting point is 00:42:21 misdemeanors to like the house of Representatives if they want to impeach this guy. But like it's going to take more Democrats to be able to impeach this guy, which I do wonder if all of this is happening now just to give more excuses to the Senate to not confirm Kavanaugh and maybe give us a little bit of time to try to elect some people who will say, hey, stop. Yeah, I mean, it must be like bananas at the RNC right now trying to figure out, all right, how do we prioritize this? What if we lose both chambers? What are we going to do?
Starting point is 00:42:56 Can we get anything done? How do we just jam this motherfucker through? Well, at what point, just because in 2016, watching the Republicans be like, well, I guess we surf on this guy's popularity. But at what point do they just say this is not worth it? He's mean to all of us. Right. He's not getting anything done.
Starting point is 00:43:13 Like, and he's going to cost us both houses. Right. At what point does, you know, Susan Collins give her Margaret Chase Smith speech and say, like, stop it. Right, right, right. And they've got such a glorious slice of white bread just waiting there in the offing, and Mike Pence, that you'd think they'd just be ready to flip on him. But who knows?
Starting point is 00:43:36 It's one of those things, too. It's like Congress doesn't realize their power, too. They've completely ceded it to the president. And they could, if they wanted to, if they weren't so afraid of a vocal minority of the base or whatever that's out there, they could be like, we can also push back a little bit. I mean, puff our chest out a little bit, too. They're like vaguely scared that they would end up losing. But also, if you why not go be that hero Republican who saved the Republic?
Starting point is 00:44:01 Yeah. I mean, that sets you up nicely for 2020. Right. who saved the Republic. Yeah, right. You know, I mean, that sets you up nicely for 2020. Right, and then, yeah, because then you have people like Jeff Flake who's trying to do it, but says it, talks a good game,
Starting point is 00:44:08 but does functionally fuck all in terms of his voting record, but, you know. Also, he's running away. I don't understand that. Right. So one of the things, you know, in addition to tweeting that he applauds Manafort for not breaking using just straightforward
Starting point is 00:44:24 criminal language, like, you know, I applaud him for not breaking using just straightforward criminal language. Like, you know, I applaud him for not breaking. And then he said, make up stories in order to get a deal. He's like, as we all know, snitches do get stitches. Right. It's like, yo, that makes you sound guilty as fuck. Hashtag mind your own, mind your own. But another one of his defenses that he's trying out on Twitter is that, you know, I'll just read his tweet directly. Michael Cohen pled guilty to two counts of campaign finance violations
Starting point is 00:44:52 that are not a crime. President Obama had a big campaign finance violation and it was easily settled. Exclamation point. So, hey, they're not a crime, but I might do five years. Right. It's a felony, first of all, like what he did was a felony. What the fuck is he talking about? But it's true that Cohen's admission and the Obama campaign did things that were, quote, campaign finance violations in the same way that you're lifting a candy bar from a convenience store when you're a kid and what Bernie Madoff did are both technically stealing. Right. Like, they're in the same category,
Starting point is 00:45:27 only in name. What Obama did was his campaign didn't report a bunch of contributions, about a million dollars worth of contributions from 1,300 different people within 48 hours. It was just like a technical fuck up. Yeah, it was administrative fuck up. Right. They were fined $375,000. The biggest ever. Trump's campaign, by the way, had an almost identical fuck up where they forgot to report
Starting point is 00:45:56 things in time and had to pay a similar fine. It was just like not as much money, so not as big a fine. See, so you were treated the same in that context. Exactly. And nobody gave a shit about that specific instance of you being a campaign law violator. It's just that this one involves you silencing people in the days immediately leading up to the election when the main news story was Comey coming out and saying that the Clinton campaign was being looked into and then again, wasn't being looked into. All the difference too is Obama didn't instruct his campaign to be like, yo, yo, shut the
Starting point is 00:46:38 fuck up about them fucking contributions, bro. Don't make it hot. Right. I mean, like that's different. That's the campaign fucked up. This is Trump personally involved in telling, giving a directive to be like, hey, let's make these payments to make this difficult. I do love that we are running up against the edge of what is illegal or unconstitutional because our founders were like, but they would never vote for a guy who did that. Right. guy who did that right you know like what what happens if we as a nation are aware which we were that there's a healthy likelihood that a foreign government is backing and supporting this person
Starting point is 00:47:13 like one of the candidates said please foreign government get involved in our election yeah and then we but we voted for it. This is the democracy we get. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. It is. I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat. Amen, brother.
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Starting point is 00:51:30 your podcasts. And we're back. And Super Producer Ana Hosni was just bringing up the tweet from Trump saying I would recommend not hiring Michael Cohen
Starting point is 00:51:49 which at that point I almost have to like it's a Yelp review at that point I would almost have to like applaud just that bit I'm pretty sure it's a bit
Starting point is 00:52:00 right? Wait when did he tweet that? Oh my god He tweeted that yesterday morning. Oh, yeah. If anyone is looking for a good lawyer, I would strongly suggest that you don't retain the services of Michael Cohen. Also, let's be clear. Michael Cohen is going to be able to be a lawyer for, like, the next three weeks before he gets disbarred.
Starting point is 00:52:19 Right. He's so getting disbarred. Well, he doesn't know what that means. I just love it. He does go on his Yelp page and just be like, hey, honestly, this guy's a clown. Get rid of him. I'd give zero stars if I could. The service was bullshit.
Starting point is 00:52:32 He's never heard of attorney-client privilege. It's totally not like how it was on Breaking Bad. But try the election meddling. Yeah, exactly. Oh, delicious. Do try the election meddling. Meddler on the roof. So, Miles. Yes.
Starting point is 00:52:46 A lot of people probably are not going to know the name Duncan Hunter. Even in 20 minutes from now. Right. Who two days ago on Tuesday would have become a household name. Yeah. Had it not been for the fact that his indictment was announced on the same day as the Manifold News. All the president's men. Yes. Duncan Hunter, Republican, 50th Congressional District in California.
Starting point is 00:53:12 Second person to announce his support for the president. Yes. The first guy, Chris Collins. Oh, he was indicted like two weeks ago, right? Yeah. Okay, so he was indicted. Number two is Duncan Hunter. He was indicted.
Starting point is 00:53:24 Who's number three? Who's the third person bolregal session could you imagine if this was like a law like where it would be like this actually does mean that within three weeks jeff sessions will also be indicted i don't know how it works right it's just how it went down happening based on the degree of corruption so yes duncan hunter he and wife, they got done for all kinds of financial fuckery, mostly having to do with the fact that he was using campaign cash to bankroll his life because motherfuckers so bad with cash, he was just like overdrawing and all kinds of shit. They're like, yo, we got to figure something out. Let me stand in defense of Southern California Republicans, okay?
Starting point is 00:54:01 First of all, nobody's got better hair. Nobody's got better hair than a nice Orange County or San Diego suburban Republican. Also, those guys have to play a lot of golf. There's a lot of golf that goes into that. And when all of your buddies are important defense contractors who you get contracts for, and they can spend that money and you've got to keep up on your congressional salary, it's super hard. So who can blame him? That's like what we say out here. You go, yo, you got San Tropez money. You can get to keep up on your congressional salary yeah it's super hard so who can blame him that's like what we say you know out here you go yo you got santro pay money you can get to santro pay but do you have santro pay money can you can you be there and spend money you know how we talk
Starting point is 00:54:35 jack yes uh so usually yes when we light our cigars with hundred dollar bills uh so yes he's the luckiest man alive because he got indicted and no one was talking about it. But this 47-page indictment, it reads like what I would have done in college had I just found a random credit card in the street and what I would do with it. Because he spent all kinds of monies for all kinds of shit he didn't need. So he spent around roughly a quarter of a million dollars for all kinds of non-campaign things. And we'll just run through a couple many things that are just amazing. So through this period, they basically overdrew their bank account more than 1,100 times in a seven-year period. He and his wife, right? Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 00:55:17 So the couple are being indicted. Right. Because then they were like, okay, well, how how about we do this Since we have no actual cash We have all this campaign money We'll get campaign credit cards And just use that As our own credit cards And when the treasurer Of the campaign asks
Starting point is 00:55:31 Hey what are you doing that money Let's go it's for the campaign It's for the campaign It's for the campaign Well at least they're in it together So it's gotta be good For their relationship Oh 100%
Starting point is 00:55:38 Well I mean We'll get to that In a second Okay So first They were doing a lot Of Costco shopping Because you know
Starting point is 00:55:44 Groceries are fucking expensive and you got kids to feed and you got Kirkland Signature t-shirts and dress shirts you have to wear that you have to go to Costco for that. So, for example, they took a lot of vacations, including more than $14,000 for a family Thanksgiving vacation in Italy. Great.
Starting point is 00:56:00 Where'd you spend your Thanksgiving? Isn't that where everybody spends it? I was in Yorba Linda. He was fact-finding. Yeah, he was fact-finding. He needed to fact-find the most delicious pasta in Italy. What was funny, too, is when he was there, he was trying to pass it off as a government trip by visiting a naval base. And when he asked, they were like, oh, we actually can't accommodate. We won't be able to give you a tour that day, but we can give you these other days.
Starting point is 00:56:22 And he told his assistant, he goes, tell the Navy to go fuck themselves. Because he didn't have that excuse to use. Hey, but he's all about the troops. And, you know, he went to, they went to Hawaii, they went to Vegas, they did all kinds of stuff. They went to a couple's vacation in Tahoe, all kinds of just really wonderful stuff they were living off this campaign cash. Then they were basically trying to figure out how to get more money. So he said to his wife, why don't we hire you as a campaign manager? And then we can cut you a little salary and then we'll have money too. So they did that too.
Starting point is 00:56:52 And it actually ended up being like his wife was making something around $3,000 a month. Then in March 20th, 2015, there was, this is from the indictment when Duncan Hunter told Margaret Hunter that he was planning to quote, buy my my Hawaii shorts, end quote, but had run out of money, she counseled him to buy the shorts at a golf pro shop so that they could falsely describe the purchase later as, quote, some golf balls for the wounded warriors, end quote. That doesn't look good. Hey, man. Hey, fuck these NFL players, bro, for kneeling. But, you know, buy your golf shorts for the Wounded Warriors. I mean, you know, he is a combat veteran.
Starting point is 00:57:27 That's true. So this all kind of fits in. But, you know, once the FEC starts looking, they're like, hold on, this is not for, these are fucking shorts. And I have this text being like, who also, my Hawaii shorts? Like when they're that descriptive, like, you know, I got to get my Hawaii shorts. Right. Because I only have San Diego shorts. Right.
Starting point is 00:57:45 But the beautiful part of this story is now he just goes and becomes a lobbyist who makes a shit ton of money, right? Yeah, exactly. He'll be okay. I mean, we'll see how this trial goes. That could be something a little bit iffy. So then they also found out that he spent $462 in campaign funds for 30 shots of tequila and one steak at El Tamarindo restaurant during individual eights bachelor party. So he's kind of the homie too.
Starting point is 00:58:09 He's not cheap with it. He's got a ton of money. And some of the more interesting ones was like, there was $1,300 in Steam charges, which is the online gaming platform. And then his wife told the credit card company, like, oh, that's fraud. No one would have access to that. so they like threw out the charges but so his kid pulled his credit his campaign credit card from his wallet and used it to charge a bunch of shit like online online gaming purchases yeah and kicked this whole thing off basically basically, because his wife reported it.
Starting point is 00:58:45 That fraud. That's wonderful. The scrutiny got hotter after that. And I think that's when the FEC started kind of looking like, oh, wait, hold on. Is there being fraud? Well, at least they're together as a family. Oh, no, hold on. And everything is going to be.
Starting point is 00:58:58 No, you got to read the indictment a little bit further. Because it sounds like he had five mistresses. What? a little bit further because it sounds like he had five mistresses. What? It says, in the indictment says, individual 14, individual 15, individual 16, individual 17, and individual 18 lived in the Washington, D.C. area and had personal relationships with Duncan Hunter. In addition, individual 16 worked with Duncan Hunter. And when you start reading into it a little bit, it's like all these people,
Starting point is 00:59:24 these individuals are described in relation to Uber rides being done like late at night or an Uber ride and a hotel room, like a one night hotel room. And, you know, it's just, yeah. But, you know, you're living high off that campaign cash. You can't be touched, baby. You know what I mean? I think that there should be different campaign finance laws for Southern California Republicans. They need to live that way of life.
Starting point is 00:59:48 Right. It's different out here. Also, why can't we do influence peddling with a honey fund? You know, where you just get to say, oh, I'm going to give you gelato in Italy and one night with your mistress. And then in exchange, you'll support my legislation. Why does it always have to be a campaign donation? You're right. No, you're right. You're right. And then they exchange, you'll support my legislation. Why does it always have to be a campaign donation? You're right. No, you're right.
Starting point is 01:00:07 You're right. And then they also bought a lot of fast food, like from In-N-Out, Taco Bell, Jack in the Box, Wendy's. The only thing that rubbed me the wrong way was that they went to Wienerschnitzel. That shit is garbage. Yes. I don't know who still. I used to, in the marching band in high school, for whatever reason, Wienerschnitzel catered a lot of our outings, where we'd do marching band stuff at a festival. And then the boosters always had all this fucking Wienerschnitzel for us to eat.
Starting point is 01:00:32 And that was my first time eating it. Wienerschnitzel fucking sucks, bro. And if you're going to go scamming like this, stay the fuck out of Wienerschnitzel. That's what I would say if I was a judge in this case. This episode brought to you by Wienerschnitzel. Actually brought to you by Olive Garden. Yes. By the way, there's a great
Starting point is 01:00:46 photo if you want to Google image search Duncan Hunter, scroll down a little bit. There's a great picture of him vaping, blowing a big vape cloud during House Transportation Committee meetings. On the floor, just
Starting point is 01:01:01 vaping that shit up. Deal with it, bruh. Bruh. Bro caucus. I'm sorry, you're on the floor, just vaping that shit up. Deal with it, bruh. Bruh. Bro caucus. I'm sorry, you're on the House Transportation Committee. You should be getting Elon Musk to fly you places. Right. You just did this poorly. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:14 He probably did that for a free vape battery and some cartridges. They were like, hey, I'll smoke this shit on the house floor. Hook it up. I got no money, but I need a vape. All right. Let's get into some more fun news than what we've been talking about. This has all been really fun for me. Michael Jackson has been beat out by the Eagles' Greatest Hits.
Starting point is 01:01:35 So the Eagles' Greatest Hits is now the most selling album in America. Yes, it passed Thriller. And apparently it has been the top selling album in the history of albums prior to, it was just basically after Michael Jackson passed, Thriller shot back above it. But prior to that, it was always the Eagles' greatest hits. You know, I think this is a testament to where America is right now. I think it is great again. Yes.
Starting point is 01:02:03 America is officially great again. You guys can all go home. You guys can relax. Baby Boomer Dan it is great again. Yes. America is officially great again. You guys can all go home. You guys can relax. Baby boomer dads have spending money. Yes. Yeah. I read a fucking thing today that every day 10,000 baby boomers turn 65. 10,000.
Starting point is 01:02:17 So that's a lot of Eagles albums. That is a lot. You get one of those on your retirement. Yeah. They're social security money. They're using that to buy box sets. I know what's going on. I see your scam, baby boomers, using that SS money.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Right. Who knows, after what we're hearing from Paul Ryan trying to fund that tax cut, they're like, we're coming after your Social Security. So we'll see what happens. And then there's just a weird story where this dude showed up to a date with a cute woman he matched with on Tinder. And there were a dozen other guys there with him gathered around a stage. Very normal. And the woman who they all matched with came out and told them that they would be competing for her affections on like a streaming platform of some sort or another. Was this in Brooklyn? It was in Manhattan, Union Square.
Starting point is 01:03:07 Oh, who's the woman? I don't know her name. Her name is Natasha. I don't know, she's called Natasha. Oh, there's a comic who does shows like this in Brooklyn that I've been to before. I love it. I think anything you can do to turn your dating life
Starting point is 01:03:26 into performance art is wonderful. Yeah, yeah. I just love how many men, so they got there and she's like, you guys are probably all wondering why you're here because she was, I guess, hitting everybody with the same cut and paste, copy and paste messages to get them there.
Starting point is 01:03:42 Like, I'm really busy, meet here, my friend's doing a DJ set. And then the dude shows up and he saw her, but she had bodyguards. And he was like, or like there were people around. He's like, what's going on? She takes the stage like, guys are all here to date me, but I got to make sure you guys are the right one. So she just started thinning the herd out being like, if you support Trump, get the
Starting point is 01:03:58 fuck out. If you look all like shit, get the fuck out. Like basically like you look all like, I don't know, just stuff like that. And then eventually had people doing like sprints and pushups. Yeah. It was a, you know, so hey, make the thirsty dudes work for it. First of all, hot. Second, we have stopped making good romantic comedies as a country and as an entertainment
Starting point is 01:04:18 industry. So if women are having to take it into their own hands to create wacky hijinks to fall in love, good for them for being resourceful. That is like American ingenuity at work. And also, you want to know what's not entertaining? Two hot people who like each other just falling in love. Want to know what is entertaining? Trickery. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:41 Catfish, the rom-com. Yeah. Catfish, the rom-com. Also, the copy and pastedness of her communications with them in the first place. That's an important detail that kind of gets left out a lot. And almost all of dating interactions, like Match.com and all these other places, have reported that it's all copy and pasted. People are just copying and pasting all of their responses program it's a script yeah it's just there everybody's running a program on like okay I saw that this was successful so
Starting point is 01:05:12 that now gets replicated to all of my all the people that I'm matching with mm-hmm so yeah you used to have to talk to people back in my day you didn't copy and paste the things you said to your wife when you were courting her? I did not, amazingly. Use words? Yeah. What the fuck? But apparently most of the dudes, like 95% of the dudes who showed up
Starting point is 01:05:34 just like fell in line with her demands to like do pushups and run. She did a live swipe line where people were like right, left. And also she dismissed some people for being addicted to nicotine and alcohol so somebody was just like oh yeah i'm an alcoholic that's like it came down to that like they gotta go honest about that i guess i'm leaving shit it just came out as my mad dog 2020 shirt give it away uh well guy it's been a pleasure having you thank you for having me also i must plug my
Starting point is 01:06:06 book my book my life is a goddess is available wherever books are sold you should read my book yes tell us sell us on it man don't just command us give me a hook here it's a fun little memoir where i talk a lot about like pop culture and the way that i figured out how to tell my own story by paying attention to other stories. Okay. Because I wasn't used to seeing fat, weird, gay guys like me in media. And it is full of jokes.
Starting point is 01:06:35 There's one recipe for cobbler. It could be peach or berry, depending on your preferences. Yeah, yeah. Peach for me. Well, it is the season. Yes. Jesus is the reason for the season. That is my book. For Peach season?
Starting point is 01:06:48 Tiffany Haddish said it was good. Billy Eichner said it was good. Your Allie Wong. Oh my god. My goodness. Look at that. Let me pick up all those names. Where can people find you on social media? I am at Guy Branum on all
Starting point is 01:07:03 social media where I will be heartily encouraging you to buy my book, My Life as a Goddess. There you go. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? That's something we ask our guests here at the end. Somebody tweeted the other day that the real winner of Crazy Rich Asians was Harry Shum's agent for getting him sixth billing for three seconds of non-speaking work at the end of the movie.
Starting point is 01:07:26 That's true. Good. Shout out to his agent. Miles, where can people find you? Oh, man. I'm everywhere. I'm on Twitter and I'm on Instagram, at Miles of Grey. And what's a tweet you've been enjoying?
Starting point is 01:07:36 Oh, man. This is one Anna Hosnier was pointing out yesterday from John Daly, at John Daly, not the golfer, the comedian. MSNBC, Cohen guilty. CNN, Manafort guilty. Fox News, can you piss when your dick is hard? So, you know, hard-hitting journalism. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:07:53 Mm-hmm. A tweet that I've been enjoying was from a member of the Zeitgang, Terrence Davidson, at Tax Davidson, tweeted, I could listen to an entire episode of At Daily Zeitgeist consisting entirely of Miles of Grey and Jack O'Brien Wahlberging back and forth, and then I could listen to an entire episode of you Wahlberging back and forth, bro.
Starting point is 01:08:16 No, I could listen to an entire episode of you Wahlberging, bro. And you can follow me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. That is a sick tweet. You can follow us at Daily Zeitge me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. That is a sick tweet. You can follow us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com,
Starting point is 01:08:34 where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. And you can also find those footnotes in the description of the episode. Just click on the episode wherever you're listening to it and there should be an information tab where you can see the footnotes. And Miles, what song are we riding out on today? Oh, today let's go out on a track by Bobby Oroza. Now, I am not too familiar with this artist. I've just
Starting point is 01:09:06 recently came across this person. He's like a Finnish soul artist, but my goodness, this track really had a little bit of funk to it. It made my big toe shoot up in my boot, as I like to say. Bingo! Yes, bingo!
Starting point is 01:09:21 Yes. So, Hot Diggity Dog, This Love Part 1 is the track by Bobby Oroza. This Love Part 1 Is the track by Bobby Orosa This Love Part 1 So shout out to the Finnish soul singers Coming for our jobs Zaygang, tell me why this song is so familiar to me Because I couldn't figure it out
Starting point is 01:09:36 Oh, this is a different song This is a different song Okay, never mind Don't tell me Don't tell him Don't tell me shit Don't tell him fuck Alright, we are going to ride out on that
Starting point is 01:09:44 We will be back tomorrow Because it is a daily podcast. Talk to you guys then. Bye. Bye. If I run into you I'm gonna turn away I won't pick up the phone If you call me today Cause you're the kind of girl
Starting point is 01:10:57 Who can make a man lose his mind And I got to move ahead I make a man lose his mind And I got to move ahead I can't afford to lose more time I'm trying to break through I'm trying to get over you There's nothing I can do But stay away You throw me around And then you reel me back in
Starting point is 01:12:21 You reach out those arms, and then I fall for your charms again. I've played I stayed alone But I need more than your games Now I got to move ahead And I'm gonna leave you behind I'm trying to break through I'm trying to get over There's nothing I can do But stay away Baby, I feel it in my heart This love can't play no part
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