The Daily Zeitgeist - Maria > Katrina, Pumpkin Spice Latte SZN 8.30.18

Episode Date: August 30, 2018

In episode 223, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Derrick Lemos to discuss Pumpkin Spice Latte season, Magic For Humans on Netflix, a student being charged with battery for stealing a MAGA hat, Kremlin's continued work in DC, Trump's words for evangelicals, Florida mayor surfing in on the populist wave, Hurricane Maria causing as many deaths as 9/11, Kanye West's defense of his comments this year, and more! FOOTNOTES: 1. Pumpkin spice lattes — and the backlash, and the backlash to the backlash — explained2. WATCH: Magic For Humans | Justin Willman Makes This Guy Think He's Invisible | Netflix3. Jo-Ann Butler: Student Steals MAGA Hat & Is Suspended4. Devin Nunes’s Curious Trip to London5. Rep. Jim Jordan on questions he has for Bruce Ohr6. Trump Urges Evangelicals to Prep for Violence After They Lose Election7. Who is Andrew Gillum? Meet Florida’s history-making Democratic nominee for governor.8. An ode to one of the worst GOP candidates in recent memory9. It’s Official: Hurricane Maria Led to as Many Deaths as 9/1110. Kanye West Apologizes for Slavery Comment, Reiterates Trump Support11. Kanye West Argues Wearing Small Sandals Is the "Japanese Way"12. WATCH: Death From Above - Holy Books (Official Audio) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Oh, oh, oh, O'Brien, Zeitgang, never believe it. And the rest is just the same as the song. That's courtesy of Finn Gardbo on Twitter, at RealFinnG. And I'm thrilled to be joined once again by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Miles, you know you better watch out. Some grays, some grays are only about. Zeitgang, Zeitgang, Zeitgang.

Oh, my. I would keep going. I can keep going. I can keep going. Yeah, bring it in. This second verse is dedicated. Well, you know, there could be so many ways to do that. Lauren Hill's been in the Zeitgeist for real the last couple weeks.

And that AKA is from the drizzle at NSK Adson or Nskadson. You could be NSKadson. I don't know. I'm not going to assume anything about you. I wish she just, like, featured on other people's songs because she's such a good rapper. Like, the way Andre does, like, he hasn't released a solo album, but, like, at least he still does features. And you get to hear him just, like, fucking murdering tracks. Yeah, like her personality just gets in the way. Yeah. You know, she's like, I'm not a... but at least he still does features and you get to hear him just like fucking murder a track.

Her personality just gets in the way. She's like, if she still wanted to feature, she'd be in the Fugees, okay? She's her own thing now. And also telling people not to look her in the eyes. So that should tell you something about her. Don't look at me.

Don't look at me. Also, would you like to collaborate? And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat. You've heard his beautiful singing voice already by the activist and comedian Derek Lemos. Hello! What's up? I don't have a catchy 70s

intro. Okay, well, that is on you. Yeah, okay. We told you. I love 70s music. I just don't want to disrespect it that way. Oh, disrespect. Wow. I guess we're going to have to play back my singing because I think Derek's headphones must be fucked up.

I mean, if you took a, yeah, like a tuner and put it right to it, you were dead in the middle the whole time. You were not pitchy at all, huh? Thank you. Wait, who's your favorite band from the 70s? Oh, man. I mean, it's more or less. Or what's your favorite style?

Like glam rock from the 70s or just really straight up pop. Yeah. There you go. Like some Bee Gees and shit. Yes. Nights on Broadway. Like exactly some Bee Gees. Like what was actually on the charts.

Yeah. Right. People love to shit on disco, but it's just like disco was the thing for queer folks before queer folks could be openly queer. Right. Right. That's our shit. It had us all vibing to it.

Yeah. And also, I think about too to like Daft Punk and justice, those electronic groups, they wouldn't be shit without ripping off old disco tracks and just speeding them up or chopping them up. Exactly. Shouts to disco forever. All right,

Derek, we're going to get to know you a little bit better, but first we're going to tell our listeners what we're going to be talking about today. We're going to be talking pumpkin spice season. It's back, baby. We're going to be giving you a Netflix recommendation.

We're going to be talking about the new trend in knocking people's MAGA hats off their head and what sorts of legal trouble that can get you into. We're going to talk about the GOP's continued hunt for anybody who insults Putin and the Kremlin. We are going to talk about Trump's promise to evangelicals of what would happen if a blue wave happens. It will be violent. It's freaky. We are going to talk how the mayor of Tallahassee came out of nowhere to blow up expectations, win the primary in Florida. Did he come out of nowhere, though?

Yeah. If you think about it. Yeah, according to the mainstream media. Yeah, that's right. Lamestream media. Am I right, guys? Am I right, Sarah Palin? Yeah.

And how Mike Cernovich and Kelly Ward rode to a loss, but how that's probably the better thing for Republicans. We're going to talk about North Korea talks stalling out again. We're going to talk about the death toll from Maria, which has once again been revised upward and now dwarfs the death toll from Katrina, which I was alive during Katrina. That was a pretty big deal, right guys?

Yeah. I thought so. We're going to talk Kanye. We're going to talk all sorts of stuff. But first, Derek, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Ooh, search history. So the last couple things I was searching was If I Had a Hammer by Pete Seeger.

Okay. It just kind of hit me in the car. I was like, I need, I was feeling real down, real frustrated about the world. And I was like, I need something pure. I need something fun. And just the ghost of Pete Seeger sat next to me and was just like, I know what you need, baby. Pete Seeger is talking very smooth to you. I know what you need, baby.

I know what you need. I know what you need. It's me, Pete Seeger. Pete Seeger. Papa Pete Seeger. Papa Pete Seeger. Papa Pete. I think Hank Aaron's biography was called If I Had a Hammer, too. Oh, really? I believe so. That's a dope name for a biographer. I just remember as a kid

when I had book reports, I only did it on athletes, like historical athletes, and I was like, if I had a hammer. I went through that stage. Historical figures, everybody else was dressed as founding fathers. I was dressed as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. That is dope. With the Afro wig, too?

Uh-oh. No, no, no, no. Just had the goggles and the Lakers. Oh, so you looked like Kurt Rambis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did not have a mustache yet. It was only second grade. That didn't come until third grade.

Or no, the Hank Aaron biography is called I Had a Hammer. Oh, look at him. He's just... It ain't hypothetical of him. it was only second grade that didn't come till third grade or no it's the hank aaron biographies called i had a hammer oh oh look he's just it ain't hypothetical fam i had waving it around in pete's face yeah no different things you know p was about hits hank aaron is about the home runs yes uh and were you satisfied with like listening to it again yeah it's it's it's a really wonderful song so like there's uh an encampment for Occupy Ice LA that I was involved with for a little bit. We were playing music and it was just one of those songs that was like, does anybody know, does anybody know,

like folk song, and it was just us sitting around with a group of guitars being like, does anybody know? For like 10 minutes before we decided on playing something else. Right. Another thing I was googling was a great recipe from a YouTube channel that I love called Abuela's Kitchen for chile verde.

Okay. Yeah, chile verde, for those of you who have not had it, it's a slow simmered pork in a salsa verde sauce, and it is absolutely mind-blowing. That sounds really good. What's the secret in this recipe that most recipes are getting wrong? Well, I don't know if I was doing wrong, but there's a specific ratio of tomatillo to other chilies that you're using. So it's like whatever spice level you can handle. You want to make it flavorful and fragrant. So you want to add oregano and you want to add lime and mint and parsley.

But then there's also what heat level you can handle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you more Anaheim, a Serrano, a jalapeno kind of person, a Chipotle? Yeah. Like a smoked. Give me the name of thatapeno kind of person? A Chipotle? Yeah. Like a smoked? Give me the name of that YouTube channel one more time. Abuela's Kitchen. Abuela's Kitchen.

Yes. Got it. And it's hosted by every Mexican grandmother. Got it. Is it always rotating? It's the same grandmother. It's the same grandmother. Oh, okay.

It's just a version of everything. I saw a thing being promoted. It's hosted by Coco. Grandma Coco. Nice. There's also a YouTube channel like that I saw for Italian grandmas, too, where this one person was going and just finding so many different nonas. And it was just like, all these people are doing it off memory. Like, we got to commit this to fucking digital video to make sure it's there.

Hell yeah, that's actually a great idea. Because I do feel like that's something that's just being lost. Oh, I did that with my grandfather. He used to have a barbecue restaurant up in like Baldwin Hills back in the day. And he has barbecue sauce that he makes from memory all the time. And one day I was like, yo, let me just put the camera on you. Because I'd be like, how do you do it? And I would write down the recipe and be like, you know, he would just say a little bit of vinegar.

And I'm like, yo, my man. Nothing's measured. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, you just poured a half gallon of vinegar in there. You're fucking me up. Just a taste. Yeah, just a little bit. Yeah.

Put some onion in there. Was that one or two? Yeah me up. Just a taste. Yeah, just a little bit. Yeah. Put some onion in there. Was that one or two? Yeah, some. Yeah, it's just like, come on now. Yeah,

my mom has chocolate chip cookies that are like famous with everybody who's ever had one. And we had them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, they're real good. Cakey as fuck. Cakey as fuck is how she describes them. But like, she gives the recipe out to other people.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody can repeat it though. Because she's smart. She's got the recipe out to other people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody can repeat it, though. Because she's smart. She's got the touch. She's holding something back. Yeah, of course.

She's like, I told him to use regular water. I use sparkling water. That's right. Get that air in there. Derek, what is something that you think is overrated? Oh, my God. Democrats. There we go.

So yesterday, the Senate, so there are like 33 justices that are about to get approved, all Trump appointed. And the Democrats hashed out a deal with Mitch McConnell for potentially 11, and they ended up confirming seven yesterday. Right. And these are like lifetime appointments. Just so they could go to home early. Yeah. Yeah.

And every week they're like we have to resist trump and then the first opportunity it's like well if we give them this maybe they won't be so bad next time it's like how many times are you guys gonna get fucked by the democrats before you learn like you can't trust them right and so people are like well what do we do what do we do i'm like you have to run you have to run like right over City Council like join a local office do something Because like outrage alone and calling your offices like is clearly not enough Like the Democrats have been like just like a really bad friend Just taking like queer folks out to dinner and people of color after dinner and being like oh, yeah Yeah, no, no, no, we'll take care of you take care of you and then when the bill comes up being like ooh I'll get you next time they go like this right ah

Shit, yeah, I forgot my wallet man. God got this one damn it take care of you and then when the bill comes being like ooh I'll get you next time they go like this right ah shit yeah forgot my wallet man god you got this one damn it damn it I'm so sorry about that the old Trump on the phone

with Omarosa god damn it yeah we definitely saw that in Florida too where you know you just

you run on something that actually speaks to people and it's not just sort of a boilerplate like we're in the middle of the road kind of thing and you're like hi I'm trying to appeal to working people and people's not just sort of a boilerplate, like, we're in the middle of the road kind of thing. And you're like, I'm trying to appeal to working people and people of color, everybody. And you're starting to see polls getting things wrong in the other direction.

Yeah. And that's what's amazing about the race in Florida was like nobody expected, as far as like mainstream media was concerned, like nobody expected Gillum to win. Right. For him to like run on this, on what shouldn't be a radical platform. Like, hey, people should be allowed to go see a doctor. Like that's not a radical. Whoa. Whoa. All right. Stalin. Right. It's about fifteen dollar minimum wage. OK. Right.

But yeah, in the same way that Trump, you know, used populism to get people out who I guess polls just like weren't measuring. I think Gillum got kids out and you know people who don't normally vote I think well yeah and vote is actually coming in full force yeah that's the whole key so I what I loved about AOC Alexander Ocasio-Cortez what I love that she said was like we're not focusing on swaying Trump voters like we're moved on like we're not gonna focus our time and energy on them because if they haven't made up their mind at this point, like then they won't. Right.

So but we do need to engage people who have never voted before, who have either never been inspired or have never cared about the process. So I've been doing workforce development kind of work on my day job for like 10 years. And I've been relaying to people like, hey, you know, this idea that like you need to be involved just for the simple reason that like if you're not at the table you're on the menu right and it matters the most and people are engaged the least at the local level like last local election turnout in la county was 20 percent yeah like an abysmal 20 and it's like guys this is where it matters the absolute most like if you want your potholes fixed and you want the five freeway done, like you've got to go. You've got to show up. Yeah.

What is something you think is underrated? Ooh. Jury duty. Oh. Yeah. All right. No, no, no. Seriously.

Like jury duty. Like everybody hates doing jury duty. But like if you put it into a context of like how do I make a difference? I'm just one person. I can't really do a whole lot. Do jury duty. Take example that most people take plea deals, so they don't even end up going to court. But the people who do

think that they have enough of a chance that they might not get convicted. So you are really on the front lines of preserving and protecting marginalized people. And for all you white folks out there, if you want to do the good work, like volunteer to do jury duty because you are canceling out like a potential, a potential racist vote on a jury. Right. Yeah. Because you'd be surprised, man, like if you've ever been in a jury, how other people are in there talking like, oh, no. Yeah. Like someone might have to be the voice of reason in here. Yes. And it's usually older people. And as we know, older people tend to be more heavily influenced by Fox News. And it's like, are you really going to let those guys decide the fate of somebody when we're not even prosecuting the people who deserve most to be prosecuted?

Like, who cares if some dude stole some shit from Walmart? There are Walmart executives stealing from you every single day. Right. Yeah. And that's right. Because the question that got me off the last time was, does anybody have any work obligations that will make it difficult for you to be on trial for the next three weeks? I was like, yeah. Like, who doesn't? And it was all like retired people, basically.

And most cases don't even last that long. Right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. What is a myth? What's something people think is true that you know to be false? Ooh, that social programs keep people dependent. Right.

So I work for an organization that really helps people reentering society. So people who have been in prison for the last 10, 15 years who are currently on parole or probation. And so there's this huge conception about like, well, they're felons. So who's going to hire them? And it's like, well, if they've served their time, why are they still being punished once they get out? That is something to me that's really kind of been like, why are we still doing it this way? It's not a life sentence. Yeah, or disenfranchising people once they've committed a felony.

And it's like we know the justice system is racist towards people of color. We know that. So it's really just a tool of disenfranchisement that keeps white people the majority of like political power wise. But as far as like social programs, people are like, well, they're abusing welfare and they're abusing food stamps. It's like they don't really get that much. Like general relief is two hundred and twenty one dollars a month. Jesus. Yeah. It really isn't all that much.

And the worst part is like you have to pay it back and you only get it for like nine months. Right. Yeah. So the way that social programs are set up is that like usually these organizations aren't talking to one another. So like if you're collecting food stamps, they're not talking to unemployment, they're not talking to so-and-so, they're not talking to so-and-so.

So these government agencies aren't in contact with each other. And what happens is, so let's say I'm on Section 8. I'm receiving public housing. If I get a job, which is what I'm supposed to do to move out of public housing, because it's supposed to be on paper, only supposed to be temporary. If I get a job and I make over a certain dollar amount, they just basically say, well, now you make over the acceptable amount of income, so you have to move out. Right. And this forces people to quit their jobs because it's like, well, I don't have enough saved yet to be able to move, and I can't afford rent in Los Angeles because rent is $1,600 wherever you go for like a one bedroom. Right.

So it's like if I have kids, if I have any other extraneous circumstances, you've just forced me, even though my desire is there, to abandon something that potentially can help me long term. And so it doesn't so much create dependence as so much as the system is really designed to keep people in poverty. 100%. Yeah. And the statistics about people being on welfare, it's really not that many people stay on it for very long at all.

Yeah. And they don't. Imagine what would happen or how our economy would change or how our society would change if instead of punishing people who are receiving public assistance, like if we move to like a more universal basic income where regardless of your age or regardless of your other factors, your physical ability or your disabled status, you received a certain amount a month. Like this frees people up to explore new things and to try new things and to get different kinds of training. So particularly with my experience, like I work with people who traditionally have – and I hate using hate using this term like entry level or no skill experience. So they're working in warehouses. They're working entry level jobs for nothing, you know, for absolutely nothing. And so for them, talking about that kind of opportunity because so our program pays them to go to work a couple days a week. It's only a part time job.

But in that other time where we're linking them up with trainings, We're linking them up with other things that they have self-identified. We're like, well, I'm kind of interested in this, but I've been conditioned to think that that's completely unattainable for me. So it's once you provide a pathway for folks, they usually do it because it's like they just haven't had that access. And once you give somebody that access, what they can do with it is incredible. I mean, look no further than the do-it-yourself era that we're all living in. Before, you'd have to sneak into the studios like Spielberg did just to be able to be on set,

but it's like now, anybody can shoot a film. We have that access and we have that technology, and a bunch of amazing artists are coming out of being able to do it by themselves. And that's exactly what has to happen with the rest of the workforce, especially as we're modernizing and replacing entire sections of workers with robots. It's like we have to do something to replace those jobs that have been lost. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, go to your grocery store. Half of the checkout things are robots.

And that was, they used to be union jobs. Yeah, and part of like stigmatizing those kinds of welfare benefits is part of the thing of being like, oh, we'll see, look, we can kind of look at them as people who are undeserving. And, you know, why do we need to help them? Because, you know, they obscure the facts

around how welfare is used. And, you know, they reject the idea that people naturally want better for themselves. Just give them the opportunity to do that. And's we're just we're built like that yeah it's like well they don't work hard it's like i haven't met anybody who works harder than somebody who's working two and a half jobs just to make rent right yeah like it's not their fault they're poor they're just poor right if i'm working 75 hours a week just to sustain myself like that's weight slavery that's not right yeah i don't have any just to sustain myself, that's weight slavery. That's not – I don't have any other word for it.

That's what it is. It's a system that is designed to keep you on a treadmill or just treading water, and you're not getting anywhere. And if you don't believe that the system is intentionally designed this way, it's not like they're not giving that money away to some people. this way. It's not like they're not giving that money away to some people. Rich people are getting that money given away to them in the form of tax cuts and all these different... And they hoard it at the top. So then they just hoard it. When someone who works 75 hours, they shouldn't have to. If they got paid a fucking decent wage, you wouldn't need to work two jobs and work 75 hours and be 60 years old. Yeah. And that's what I present to my clients. It's like, if you were making enough so that you could work one job, and let's say 30 hours a week, if you were able to sustain

yourself and your family on a part-time job or even like a full-time job, what would you do with that extra money? And a lot of them are like, I would send my kids this, I would buy this, I would do this, I would fix my credit, I would fix my car. And it's like, that is the kind of people either spend it or they invest it in themselves. And that is the type of stuff when we have a service based economy, that's what keeps the wheels turning. and task robbing and all those things. This is just money for me so that I can make a living, so that I can get by. It's like you're putting people in a position where they can't spend extra money.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And so is pumpkin spice season. It's that time of year when we all give ourselves an excuse to basically drink milkshakes with our morning coffee intake, like the level of sugar that you get in there and whipped cream. I've been enjoying the memes where it's basically treated like some combination of white girl Spanish fly and white girl catnip, like in the meme world. But I guess this is in the meme economy.

But this is basically, I feel like the way I feel about college football where like i don't really like college football or follow it but once college football season starts it like starts to feel like fall to me for whatever reason right i feel like this is sort of a non-sport version of that for the consumer culture consumer-based signal that the seasons are changing. Yes. All the drinks are brown. And the sky is gray.

Yeah. I mean, that's like the thing where you go, oh, shit. That's right. Pumpkin. Okay. So it's fall. Yeah. I mean, since we no longer have seasons because of climate change, there are certain indicators

like pumpkin spice. Oh, it's fall. It's like the McRib. Oh, it's summer. Shamrock like the McRib. Oh, it's summer. Shamrock Shake. It's March. Yeah. Is Shamrock Shake year-round? Only in March. It's only in March, right?

I'm glad some things are still respected. If they had a year-round, that to me would be runaway capitalism. I don't know. In this office, there's clearly some people who fucking hate the pumpkin spice lattes people who love the pumpkin spice latte to me i don't really give a fuck drink whatever the fuck you want you know throw your money away however you want to

uh but we all know that the best seasonal beverage from a coffee shop is the winter dream tea latte from a coffee bean tastes like mulling spices i'm a big fan of the eggnog lattes. Oh, hell yeah. Isn't that thing like so calorically dense? So I didn't realize that until I looked at the calories, and it's got like 100 more calories than the pumpkin spice, like the ones that are already famous for being calorically dense. They're like, oh, yeah, we put an egg yolk and two extra pounds of sugar. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The eggnog is nice. I wish that they had – I wish they still had the apple cider. The hot apple cider was amazing. Oh, really? They used to have straight hot apple cider? Apple cider, yeah. At Starbucks? And they put like a cinnamon stick in it.

Oh, it was great. Watch out. See, we're going to put some on the stove. And like the pumpkin spice war debate, like I'm always going to err on the side of sweet potato. Like sweet potato pie over pumpkin pie. Oh, wow. Sweet potato spice over pumpkin spice every single time.

Damn, could you imagine if there was a sweet potato spice latte? Does someone have that? The idea is out there. That must be in the South. The South has to have that. Make it happen and tag me in it. Yeah. Let me get that yam latte.

We just wanted to follow up on, think we mentioned yesterday the show magic for humans i believe caitlin dorante was talking about that yeah and we we watched a twitter video that people just needed to check out where it's a clip of people watching a clip from the show magic for humans but it's one of the better trailers i've seen for a net series. It was perfect. Yes. They tricked a man into believing that he was invisible. He had become invisible. And the reaction on this man's face, that alone, I was like, okay, I'm going to binge watch this shit forever. Although Netflix, you know, they do not like people saying binge watching.

Oh. Because during, who the fuck was it? Someone was doing a press tour for a Netflix show. It was. On a watching bender. Oh, Guy Pearce. That's better. Because Guy Pearce is in a new series on Netflix.

And like someone said binge watching. I think he's like, oh, actually Netflix doesn't want us saying binge watching. Whatever. Okay, look. That's how people watch it. I'm sorry. Fucking, this is where we're at where people just stare at a screen. Abusing Netflix. Abusing. It's away from them now. I'm sorry. This is where we're at where people just stare at a screen. Abusing Netflix.

It's away from them now. The lingo is locked in. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not your choice. Marathon viewings? Yeah. No, no.

We binge watch it. Anyways, this video that we're talking about is on YouTube, and we will post it in the footnotes. Footnotes. So there's been a couple stories now about young folks knocking MAGA hats off of classmates. I think this is an interesting debate because both examples of it happening that I'm aware of, the students got charged with battery. And like there was one in a San Antonio Wendy's,

I think where a dude like ripped it off of a kid's head. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, and it was caught on video. He also, I think dumped a drink in their face. Yeah. Yeah. And then in this case, a young woman named Joanne Butler could face battery criminal charges after

she admitted to stealing a MAGA hat from a classmate at Union Mine High School in El Dorado, California. Why would you admit it, you ding-dong? But she was just like, yeah, I'm tired of having to go to class with people who are wearing what is basically a symbol of hate. Yeah, racism. I know if i can't i don't know if i can disagree with that like if if people were wearing like nazi hats like you would yeah i think the argument is like well just because i wear this doesn't mean this therefore blah blah blah but i think at the very least the school should realize that this is disrupting the student body by letting people wear these things yeah i mean i'm sure if some kid was rocking Antifa shit,

there would be some group of shitheads who would try and fuck with that kid the same way. Well, I mean, look at it from this perspective. So, like, the schools already have a list of things because they're quote-unquote disruptive to the learning process of what students can and can't wear. Like, women in particular, it comes down on, like, we're seeing more and more young girls being

sent home because they have shorts on or because they're wearing tank tops that the school is considering. That is too revealing. Black women in particular have had their hair policed for forever. That's crazy. So it's like you can't say that the school already doesn't engage in this kind of behavior. Right. And it's like we are in a political climate where like if you are from a marginalized community, if you're queer, if you're a person of color, if you have a disability, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, the way that you have to navigate life is with caution.

Yes. And so for these MAGA chuds, it's like, well, you know, I'm being targeted because, you know, because of my hat. And it's like, well, you have something that you can take off. For these people, they don't. That is, their existence is a target. Right. And so, like, learn a little bit of empathy, number one.

It's like that reaction that you have right there and then with like, well, I just don't think it's fair because I'm a white male and I like chubs. I should be treated this way. It's like, OK, that right there, you've identified the problem. Now just extend that to people who don't fucking look like you. Right. Yeah. The white fragility is staggering.

Yeah. Well, but they have to become victims of something for it to operate properly because they can't just be full throttle like, yeah, we're on top and I can keep this MAGA hat on. Well, there's really interesting conversations to kind of be had there in like a really nuanced way. So I was listening to this guy, Michael Kimmel, and he's kind of an expert on masculinity. And he was talking about how like the promise of America

or the promise of white America has slowly been stripped away because of capitalism, because of these multinational corporations, it's limited the economic freedom that white people once enjoyed. Yeah. And also, I think it's just a function of this sort of late stage of capitalism that the country's into, where, as you're saying, resources dry up, corporations are trying to dismantle the state in every way they can and pick apart

the carcass of what was once a booming economy. And that, I think, limited opportunity, that's what allows now for people to be like, hey, it's not the corporations, it's these immigrants. It's not the corporations, it's Black Lives Matter. It's not these corporations, it's gay people. You know what I mean? And these are all distractions for this diminished opportunity that everyone's feeling when really it has nothing to do with that.

They're pitting people against each other when all you have to look up and be like, wait, who's actually doing better than everyone else? Because you can say, oh, I hate all these. You can be xenophobic and all this other stuff. But you ask this person, are you happy with your job? Are you happy with your income? Are you happy with your access to health care, education? Probably not. And then and really understand who's at the levers making those decisions that are affecting you at that level too.

Yeah. And so when we have these debates and we have these talks and people are like, well, it's class, not race. And I'm like, look, it is partially that, but it is also race. Because when you give racists money, they don't suddenly become not racist. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, look, it's funny too. Like you said, like in school, like I went to a school where my classmate, he had dreadlocks and they were like for years they were trying to be like, you know, that's an unnatural hairstyle. It's unnatural. Oh, fuck you. There was a girl who was just sent home the other day where she was crying. There was a video of her because they kept saying, oh, your hairstyle is unnatural because

she had, you know, she had locks. Yeah. And the same thing i remember i couldn't have a fucking lineup or a fade in high school because they're like uh you know that's that's too edgy or something i was like you're just trying to you just don't want me to rock my hairstyle the way i had it i had a part once in high school they were like yo you got to go to the fucking dean and shit. And I was like, fuck out of here. I'm a, I came back with two parts the next week. Um, yeah. So let's maybe think about not letting people wear mega hats to school. Uh,

at the very least, I mean, think about it clearly that it's, it's causing problems and people do it to antagonize people. It's not, it's not a fashion statement. It's to antagonize people of color in your class. Fascist statement.

Yeah. I mean, the fashion fascist Easter. I mean a fascist statement, not a fashion. Fascist-ista. I mean, it happened right after the election, too. And these, in school, kids were chanting Trump at brown kids because they knew it was intimidating. What that does, yeah.

And how it causes distress to people. So we can't even pretend that, like, oh, it's just an innocent hat. It's just a hat. It's like, no, it's a symbol. The dog whistles are gone. We're like, no, it's a symbol. Like the dog whistles are gone. Yeah. We're talking like blaring ambulance alarms. Yeah.

Miles. Yeah. There's a gentleman named Bruce Orr who works for the Department of Justice. Yeah. He's a gentleman. He is a gentleman. Got soft hands. And he is being antagonized by the Trump administration.

Of course. Which doesn't totally make sense. Well, hold on. Because, I mean, they're conservatives, and conservatives usually ally with the Department of Justice. No, Jack. Okay, well, come on now. Now, why don't you explain to me why I'm wrong?

He had to do some closed-door hearings with Congress, and everyone was like, okay, I wonder why. You know, and Bob Goodlatte came out and be like, this guy, I'm telling you, this Bruce Ohr, man, he's a fucking deep stater. He went to Deep State University and majored in clintonium uranium or whatever the fuck they want to say. And so everyone's like, OK, they're saying, well, you ask them why. Well, what why are you angry at this man? Oh, well, let me tell you something.

His wife used to did some work for Fusion GPS, who made the Steele dossier. Therefore, he is aligned against the president and all this other bullshit and you know we we found out that he was talking to christopher steel uh even though the fbi approved their discussions clearly because here's here's a thing uh if you take all that aside if you really look at what the fuck is going on bruce or is like the fucking god mc of understanding russian organized crime so we talked earlier about peter struck who was the fbi agent who had the text messages and yeah the text message didn't look good but he clearly was probably acting very professional and as we said before the way these

bureaucracies work it's hard for one man to just take something totally left if putin gave trump a list of people yeah struck would be on it, and so would Rousseau. Yeah, and Struck was the, like, expert in Russian, like, counterintelligence in general, and he exposed that group of literally, like, the real-life version of the Americans were these two Russians

who were, like, moving from Canada to the U.S. to France and just trying to infiltrate the government. He spotted them, got him, and then they smeared the shit out of him, and now he's no longer at the FBI and would probably be a witness to any, you know, early intelligence about what was going on between Russia and the Trump campaign. Now, Bruce, or he is the master of Russian organized crime. Like he indicted like the head of the Russian mob.

And this man who is the head of the Russian mob, his name has floated in and out of this Mueller investigation, too, of having connections to other people who are involved in this stuff. You know, Oleg Deripaska, who is the connective tissue between Paul Manafort and Putin. Like, I think 12 years ago, Bruce Ohr was one of the people who flagged him, being like, do not let this guy in the country. He's up to some bullshit. And we don't fuck with the fuckery here, so keep him out.

So now this all makes sense because they're going after Bruce Ohr because he is you know if anyone can start connecting dots between organized crime in russia and the u.s it would be this person so now they've done a full full screen job full court press uh press in the man and when really he hasn't done shit like he's done nothing that's actually a violation they're just speculating all these things and trying to tarnish his character when this guy has been like a career organized crime fighter like from the jump uh and also when you want to talk about how bad christopher steele is keep in mind he's mi6 is or was mi6 is russia expert so when they were talking these are two people who are straight up like it's like the

all-star team where it's like you know why would lebron be talking to kobe bryant or whatever like people are good at what they do. They're in the same field. Of course, they see each other at the time because things they know, you know, affect each other's job. And again, they were communicating with the FBI's approval. He wasn't divulging anything that was dangerous. They're just like, oh, yeah, maybe you guys can, you know,

brief each other on something. It's one of those situations where the answer to that question actually makes you look really bad. Because Steele is each other on something. It's one of those situations where the answer to that question actually makes you look really bad. Because Steele is the expert on Russia. He is a very trusted expert on Russia. So it makes sense that people from the Department of Justice would be talking to him about Russia. They treat Steele like a basement-dwelling QAnon conspiracy theorist and completely don't acknowledge it. This guy, the UK trusts him with their Russian knowledge.

Well, I mean, that's part of the game plan. The Republican game plan has always been like, oh, you're cool. We're cool. You're a law and order person. Cool. Until you have the expertise. It's like, oh, shit. Now the tables will turn.

Now we have to project everything onto you to discredit you. Yeah. But that's what you said. on to you to discredit you yeah but that's what just said when you see like people like bob goodlot and trey gaddy and devin nunez who went all the way to the uk mind you to try and talk to like mi6 and gshq to be like hey can i talk to your spy people to try and dig up shit and they were like we do not want to talk to you yeah like go home we're like we're not interested we know what you're up to and it shows you that they're just doing the kremlin's work essentially where they're like, you know, okay, this makes sense. This person knows too much.

Let's try and discredit them. Okay, great. Like, it's so anti-American. It's unbelievable. But this is the world we live in. How many times a day do you think Trey Gowdy's hair changes? Like, his hairstyle? Oh my god. I think it's just like, he keeps his barber well paid.

Every time they cut to him in a hearing, he's got a different hairdo. It's incredible. Yeah, he'll have like the fash wave. Right. And then it's like the flock of seagulls kind of dude. That dude is amazing. Sorry, I cut you off. No, no, no.

That's okay. If anything, it's incredibly American. Right. Yeah. That's true. I guess I try and speak from this idealistic version of how I think the country could be while completely ignoring. Like usually we're talking shit about the FBI and suddenly it's like, hey, man, the FBI though.

Yeah, that's what's so weird. It's like there's all these Democrats being like, I support the FBI. And it's like, in the CIA? It's like, really? In this very specific instance. Really? Yeah. It's like there's probably an activist list that I'm on.

Like, oh, 100%. Really? Yeah. There's probably an activist list that I'm on. Really? Yeah, between torture porn and suppressing dissident voices in the country. You're talking about why you're on the list? I am on. Because of your torture porn habit?

Well, me and Gina Haspel, we used to kick it back in the day. Oh, got it, got it. All right, let's talk briefly about President Trump's, you know, his strategy for dealing with this upcoming blue wave. We got kind of a brief preview of it in his Fox News interview the day after our Super Tuesday when Cohen basically was like, I did a crime and he told me to. And Manafort was found guilty. The day after that, Trump was on Fox News and he said, if I'm impeached, like all hell will break loose. And basically like just painting a picture of a post-apocalyptic landscape

from like an 80s movie, the economy will crash. And so he continued with that effort to paint a picture with the 80 words that he uses by saying that if the blue wave comes, they will, and this is in a meeting with evangelicals at the White House, he said, quote, they will overturn everything that we've done and they'll do it quickly and violently and violently. There's violence. When you look at Antifa and you look at some of these groups, these are violent people. Yeah.

And the other part was the level of hatred, the level of anger is unbelievable. And then he says, this November 6th election is very much a referendum on not only me, it's a referendum on your religion. It's a referendum on free only me, it's a referendum on your religion. It's a referendum on free speech and the First Amendment. So he's really just full on being ringing the panic alarm, being like, can you do something? And also, can you be violent? Maybe I'm just going to keep saying this word violence, and maybe that will go into your brain somehow. Trump has the vocabulary of one of those refrigerator poem magnets. Yeahfrigerator poem magnets, yeah. But it is something that we actually absolutely need to be worried about

and keep an eye on. So everybody remembers during the Obama administration, like there was a severe rise in white supremacy groups. Like they were actively trying to buy weapons. Like they're stockpiling ammunition. And so recently there have been a couple of reports reports like ProPublica published something on it. There have been a lot of white supremacists entering the military specifically to get training. And then once they've done their four to eight years, they come back to their racist buddies and be like, guess who knows how to hunt people?

Right. Right. knows how to hunt people right right and so like we know like we just inherently know that there are white supremacist groups who are very anti-government who who have already murdered people like there are what 43 i think i last i read 43 individuals who have been murdered over the last like three years and another like 70 who have been injured like not killed but severely injured so the violence is right underneath the surface. Like it is there. Like I have this joke.

There's 43 people who have been killed by white supremacists like in organized terror attacks? Yes. Like what are some examples of those? Also Nia Wilson, the woman who was stabbed on the train. The other Portland stabbing where the twobing where the white supremacist, he was trying to attack a woman with a hijab, but two white men stepped in and they both unfortunately lost their lives.

Heather Heyer in Charlottesville. The nine black parishioners who were murdered in the church by Dylann Roof. There are tons of examples there, and we kind of keep moving on. Yeah, that's interesting. Like they're isolated incidents. It's like, no, this is a giant network of people

who are showing you that they are willing to murder you, and we need to be taking it more seriously because it's like they have militias. We have memes. But our memes are so dank But our memes are so dank. The memes are so dank. They absolutely are. But like if, let's say if the blue wave does happen,

which there are 70 days until the election, like if you're not, you guys need to start canvassing. Like please get involved. Find a local organization. Get like a call tree together so So, you know, you can like help carpool people to their polling place. Please get involved if you haven't yet. If the blue wave happens and we do happen to impeach Trump, like I guarantee you because of the level of violence, because of how he can inspire people to take those kinds of actions.

And he has already like the newsroom shooting, repeating that same rhetoric. Like conservative media inspires violence. Like I wrote a really long piece about it back in 2005, where I was connecting the points of where like somebody had used like second amendment solutions. And that was the same week that Gabby Gifford got shot in the head in Arizona. And I was making all these points of like, when you hear this in conservative media, you see this action on people when they bomb abortion clinics, when they threaten women, when they kill people of color or queer people. There is a direct correlation. And yeah, freedom of speech is important, but we shouldn't be ignoring and we shouldn't be protecting speech that incites violence.

Yeah. And there's no competition between white supremacist terror attacks and other terror attacks. White supremacist terror attacks, not counting 9-11, have killed the most number of people in American history. And they're, at the very least seems to be a huge double standard. All right, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. In 1982, Atari players had one thing on their minds, Sword Quest. This wasn't just a new game. Atari promised 150 grand in prizes to four finalists,

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And she paid the ultimate price. Listen to Crooks Everywhere starting September 25th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we have a theory on Trey Gowdy's hair from producer Ana Hosnia that Trey Gowdy's hair is mirroring Jamie Lee Curtis's hair. Now, we do not know if he's doing that intentionally or if there's some sort of mummy curse where at any time she changes her hair, his hair just magically moves on his head.

But we will keep you guys abreast of the latest details on that. And primaries happened on tuesday uh 538 was calling it the day of the weird primaries ahead of it and i think they were also saying that it paid off on that with unexpected things happening wait why they called the weird primaries i think they were just expecting like weird shit weird results yeah that they were weird races and uh they didn't totally know what was going to happen. And Andrew Gillum came through and made shit weird for Florida. He was not shown to be leading in any polls that were conducted during the race. He wasn't even really close in the polls leading up to yesterday's election.

And his whole strategy was turn out young people, turn out black people more than anyone expected. And that actually worked. Yeah. Go to the base. Don't bother going to... It's the same thing like Stacey Abrams did too with her strategy for her nomination for gubernatorial candidate in Georgia. And it's the same thing. Like there were some people were like, OK, let me see if I can get I think it was a Gwen Graham is who he was running against in Florida. She was more doing the centrist Democrat thing of like running on like the legacy of her family being in Florida politics. Her dad was a governor as well and being like, yeah, I'm the Democrat kind of thing. And someone's like

hey you want 15 an hour you want medicare for all like this is what i'm trying to do this is what i'm gonna this is what i want to deliver to you as governor and clearly that strategy fucking worked because yeah yeah yeah for young people of america because i feel like the young people of florida are super fucking motivated and organized because of the parkland kids but like all across across the country, this has to be like a wake up call that you can affect change. Like your vote does matter. Like a lot. For sure. I saw people like saying that they were voting on their birthday, like they had just turned old enough to vote.

Right. That's amazing. That's such an incredible and kind of inspiring thing. Like I want to tell Nate Silver, just Silver, just go have a seat, dude. Just go chill for a minute. Whatever data you're collecting hasn't been reliable. He was caught off guard by the presidential election. He was caught off guard by these midterms.

Clearly, the metrics that you are using aren't taking into account that like shit is not normal. Like we have like a weird balance of these independent candidates, these highly democratic candidates who see the need for more progressive policies. And it's like, well, where did these people – we weren't anticipating them winning. It's like, well, when we show up, we win. Right. And they're doing the work to make that happen. Right. So how can you put things in a traditional frame when for the last two years we've been living in a dystopia?

Right. And I think Nate Silver, first of all, I think Nate Silver gave quantity, like America's enthusiasm, like how organized Americans were in the past hundred presidential— Yeah. however many presidential elections hadn't really changed. And it does seem like things are changing on both sides in terms of how organized people are going to get, how motivated they are going to be to get out and vote. Yeah. Or you can't measure people's existential dread. Yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, I voted for Trump because I feel like my whiteness is at stake.

Right. And you can't measure that. Yes. And I think with people who are voting for people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Andrew Gillum, you're not measuring, oh, wait, there's an existential threat of late stage capitalism that is affecting these people. And now they're demanding more. They're like, well, you're going to have to help me with Medicare. You're going to have to help me with health care. You're going to have to help me make a living wage. And those are things that for the years past, we were sort of coasting down and it was harder to

realize just how bad it was getting and now it's reaching that sort of saturation point where it affects more people than it ever has and now the tune changes are sort of like hey you want a tax cut it's like or you want safer walls it's like bro i need to go to college right i mean i gotta fucking take care of my kids yeah like we're not that's the new thing that i think people are not realizing is what is actually speaking to people. The more they look at their surroundings and the resources they have. Yeah. And just the system as it existed before signal that that is changing. So I talked before about how, you know, in listening to the crooked media podcasts, they were talking about how the way that you would determine if somebody was a viable candidate is you would take their phone, go through their contact list, and be like, okay, they're good for $100,000.

They're good for $50,000. And add up how much money. Yeah, how you could fundraise. They had to break a certain level of having enough money in their contact list to get fundraising to be a candidate. And Gillum was wildly outspent, you know, in the primary. And so, I mean, things are changing. Like all the conventional wisdom is going out the door because people are just getting out there. They're organizing and, you know. It's been a weird byproduct of Citizens United where we were expecting like all of this influx of dark money and all of this influx of corporate money to really kind of dramatically change our elections.

And it's like they have. But as a reaction to that. Things have also becoming becoming more focused on grassroots. Yeah. Like, yeah, you can go ahead and outspend me, but you don't have the manpower and you don't have the platform that's going to actually make people want to come out and vote for you. Yeah. You were just depending upon the same 30 percent of the population or 30 percent of your district coming out and voting. And it's like, nope, those rules are gone. Those rules are out the door. Yeah. We're going to bring in young people because they know how important social media is. They know how to organize.

They know how vital it is right now to get involved. And they're just beginning their lives. So they look at what's ahead more than maybe a baby boomer does and says, holy shit. I'm going to have to contend with this when I'm 30, when I'm 40, when I'm 50. Much easier to be 50 in your 50s and be like, yeah, this is it's been fine like this. Right. These kids are aware everyone younger people are just more aware of, you know, what we're actually up against in terms of how we're going to make a life for ourselves. Yeah. And Kelly Ward. This is just something I was looking for because she was the one who had Mike Cernovich on her campaign bus and was like saying that the McCain family announcing that John McCain was going to stop getting medical treatment and basically agreeing to die was like a distraction from her campaign. She said like they wanted a narrative.

Yeah. So she got her ass whooped in the GOP primary. Martha McSally got nearly 50 percent of the vote and it was a three candidate race. So this is not good for Democrats because they definitely wanted to go against Kelly Ward and McSally is the more formidable general election opponent. But yeah, I guess just she'll have to kind of we'll see how much she can appeal to any swing voters in that state, though, because when you full-on embrace Trump because she had to fucking hitch her – Kiss the ring.

Weight wagon to that star to get there. And it makes it look like a flip-flop too because she boycotted going to the Republican convention because she didn't want – she was like, yo, Trump's garbage. Yeah. They're all willing to hitch their trailer to that train as long as it temporarily –, I mean, it'll serve me in the long term because I'm getting these Trump voters. And it's like, I don't think they're really seeing long term what that actually is going to do. It was kind of like the Tea Party, where

the Tea Party, they had these radical candidates who were really embracing and doubling down on all of these awful policies. And yeah, they got a handful of guys through, but they were freshman representatives who were committed to those policies and couldn't make friends with anybody and ended up getting voted out the next term.

And so you have the same thing where you have all of these people hitching their posts to these radical policies. And at the same time, because of all these grassroots activists and because of all the networking that is happening to reach voters who have never been – who have never cast a ballot before or to reengage people who may have registered to vote because eight years ago, they believed in Obama's campaign. But after that, it was just kind of like, eh, whatever. Capturing those people, it's like you are in for a surprise, baby.

Oh, yeah. The you're you're catering to the fringe. You're catering to this frothing 25 percent of white America that will say and do anything to keep power. But you're in for a surprise when you find out that like, oh, we outnumbered you guys. We're just now discovering a way to lock arms yeah yeah because right now you look you can appeal to all those trump voters you want you don't see people putting boots on the ground for the wall yeah or fucking whatever yeah whatever other wacky to anything yo these there's not no one no one's there for that they're these like rhetoric. You do see people coming out there for living wages and ending just completely horribly racist policies of immigration policies or health care and things like that. You don't have that energy for this nonsense.

And they should just look at that and be like, oh, shit. People don't pull up for this stuff. Yeah. Thank you for bringing that up. So this is a reminder for folks. Stop trying to debate and change people's mind on Facebook and on Twitter. Stop it. Like all of that precious energy is doing like could be directed somewhere else to an

org or your community that really, really needs it. So like we know because we've had these experiences, you're not going to change anybody's fucking opinion. So stop it. Like just focus on one thing that you can do in your community. Focus on one thing and like do that in your community. Focus on one thing. And, like, do that one thing with other people who want to help and don't know how. Right.

Precisely. I do wonder, we need to look this up, but I wonder what the attendance for Trump rallies has been looking like recently. I'm sure it's still pretty solid. Yeah, I mean, look, it's like a fucking concert for racists. You know what I mean? Racist Woodstock. But to producer Nick Stumpf is telling us that he was apparently not happy with the attendance at the West Virginia rally, which occurred the day of Judgment Day.

Well, they even looked fucking sad. Yeah. Like, they were sort of like, ooh. Yeah. Like they were sort of like, Ooh, this, this, like the, even the people in the background where you usually get the most wacky people back there, including the two black dudes.

I screen grabbed you. Don't worry. I see that they were kind of in the background. People like, I never saw more sort of like solemn faces with MAGA hats on then on that Tuesday where people were just kind of like, huh? Like it felt,

you know, this did again, but they'll still show up, but that was a rough day to go on stage. Yeah. So just real briefly, and it's crazy that this is a brief story, but this is basically a story

that isn't getting a whole lot of run, but the death toll from Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico is now close to 9-11 scale, and it actually dwarfs Katrina. It's up to 2,900, over 2,900 people. Katrina was 1,833. And that was a basically administration-defining massive fuck-up that brought about huge changes in the Bush administration. And it's just crazy that this isn't a bigger deal.

Well, you know, I think because it's been a slow burn and it's been so long for there to be like fully embraced official numbers. I mean, a lot of people on the ground and activists saying yo you think 16 people fucking died right like when trump came was like you know now a real disaster like katrina luckily we don't have those numbers right and like you know a lot of people are saying there are more aggressive estimates that put it closer to 4600 not even 2975 which is i think the reason that's coming out now is because the governor of puerto rico said i want to have you know i think it's george washington university and a couple of the universities come here do the analysis and tell me what that actual number is independent right and then but in the white house was like

okay that's fine and that's why we're getting this number now is because the white house did tell them like okay do your analysis but yeah it's a shame because you think about you know all the money we spent after 9-11. On war. Yeah, exactly. And we can't even do right by these American citizens in Puerto Rico. I think it was literally all the money was spent after 9-11. Well, it shows a pattern. So think about Hurricane Harvey in Texas.

The amount of money that was spent on emergency funds, and compare it to Hurricane Katrina, compare it to Puerto Rico, compare it to literally any place where that's heavily populated with people of color, and you'll notice, like, we'll send aid for like a minute. We'll send aid for like a second. So, like, right now in Puerto Rico,

there are tons of companies that are trying to come in after the disaster and stake a claim. Naomi Klein's, it's the smash and grab. Right. You know. Disaster capitalism. Disaster capitalism.

Exactly. And it's like in one fell swoop, they're trying to gentrify an entire island. We haven't found a way to really hold the government accountable for those kinds of things. That's like, well, we have elections. And it's like, well, people forget about those things and we move on because our culture is so fast-paced and so rapid. Like 2018, it's nearly September.

It feels like it's lasted 1,000 years. Like I am exhausted. But it's like the year isn't even up yet. So you see like Hurricane Harvey and like, oh my God, terrible, awful disaster. We need to help. And so average people are pitching in their dollars and then they feel like, well, I've done my part and they can go back to their lives.

Assuming that the federal government will pick up the pieces and do what they're supposed to do. But they haven't and it's because they're severely underfunded and they're severely inept. And that's been really on purpose. So particularly with her and Katrina, like George Bush's appointment to FEMA, like that dude flat out admitted when he was offered the job, like I am not the dude for this. I am not qualified for this.

I've never run a big – I've never run a complex thing. A disaster management organization. I've never led a Boy Scout troop before. He was like working with racehorses prior to that. Yeah, exactly. And so you see it over and over and over again where it's, well, the government will take care of it so I can just kind of move on with my life, move on with my, you know, millions of other things that I'm worried about because I'm probably not making enough money.

I'm probably not. I'm already stressed out. All the other daily life stresses. So it's like both Democrats and Republicans have done this where they've put incompetent people in place of government. And then when it doesn't work, it's the Republicans who have flat out said like, well, see, this is why government doesn't work. This is why we have to hand it over to corporations so that they can handle things because they're much more effective and they're much more efficient because they have a profit motive. handle things because they're much more effective and then they're much more efficient because they have a profit motive and it's a way to i think in really bad faith dismantle the government and it's like leaving people out in the cold intentionally so that way you can give more

money to people who are already well yeah just sabotage it yeah and then let again you know just pick apart the carcass of what was once left of like what the government used to do especially when they begin selling off these kinds of things uh yeah i don't know it's the show you know i think you know a lot of it has to do too especially when you look at the president the race plays into that in a very poignant way too like you could tell when he was saying everything about the mayor of san juan just like had all this shit to say about her and you know you look at a bunch of brown people and try and act like they're not americans that's a clear sign too where it's like yeah like just like had all this shit to say about her. And, you know, you look at a bunch of brown people and try and act like they're not Americans. That's a clear sign, too, where it's like, yeah, like, you know,

Katrina was a little bit different. It was in the mainland or whatever, but because it's a commonwealth, they just go, oh, yeah, well, you know, it's not on there. They can't really vote. Yeah, and it's not like they're even in a financial position that they would be able to take care of themselves because of the amount of debt that they've been saddled with intentionally. Right, right.

So it's like you've put people in an economically rough situation. A disaster happens and it's like, well, we can't take care of this. We're depending on the government to help us out. We're depending on everyday citizens to help us out. When all of those things fail, it's like, well, the corporation comes in and saves the day. Well, I've got you and rinse you know repeat yeah and instead of having kanye west saying george bush doesn't care about black people we have kanye west talking about how his sandals were actually inspired by japanese fashion well that's where we are what did he say did he say

he clarified what he said on kmel? Like when he asked him, he's like, you said George Bush doesn't care about black people. He's like, what do you think about Donald Trump? Yeah. And he was like,

he just paused. They went to commercial and they never brought it back up. So, you know when you like stumble and then like kind of break into a jug and act like you meant to stumble and you were breaking into a jug.

So he basically broke into a jug two weeks later because he came. Check him a second. Yeah, he was like, yeah, I mean, what I meant to say was two weeks later on a radio show, he basically said, and what he said didn't explain anything. He was like, I think basically he has such a big ego that he wants black people to like him. It's like, yeah.

I don't think he cares. That was his answer? That was his answer, though. That was what, like, he cares what black people think about him because he has a big ego. He says, like the rest of us. Kanye cares what black people think about him. And he's already fucking up.

Wait, so if by that logic, what the fuck has Donald Trump done to try and appeal to people of color? Yeah. Other than bring out diamond and silk. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Central Park Five? Is that to appeal to black people?

Yep. Not renting apartment units to them? Is that to appeal to black people? I don't, I really don't. Man, Connie, shut the fuck up, bro. Just go figure your fucking self out and stop trying to act like the way you wore those young ass sandals was Japanese style. Because as a black and ease person,

I know that is a lie, my man, uh, the Zody style sandal you put on that tweet. He was like Japanese style, man. That is meant. That's like,

that's intentionally worn like that, where, you know, like there are two ways to wear Zody. You could put it all the way on with your heel still on there. Or if you want to be a little more swagger, you act like you got the heel coming off the side but those are also you know that they're made to fit your foot what he had were tiny ass sandals with his fucking heels dangling

off the back yeah so again because his ego he was probably like somebody find me a fashion wave that i can say i was riding why i was probably he probably had. They came too small, but he still wanted to flex, and then he had to go with the young-ass sandals. Well, I think it's even simpler than that. So Kanye is a dude, while his mom was still alive, he was very open about his bipolar disorder and how his mom kind of kept him in check. It's like, you know, did you pray to Jesus today, baby?

And so when she died and his career blew the fuck up, you see it with a lot of celebrities where it's like, who's gonna tell Kanye no? He's a millionaire who says what he wants, does what he wants, and he's surrounded by people who are just enabling him 100%. He specifically, this actually showed a lot of self-awareness, he blamed the whole thing on

his former manager, Don C., not being around. He basically said the downfall of Kanye West, referring to himself in the third person, so we know it's Kanye, is directly related to Don C. not being around. He said fighting back tears. So, yeah, he doesn't have people there who can tell him that. Who are looking out for him. To fight the paparazzi with him? Yeah. That's who Don C who are looking out for him to fight the paparazzi with him

yeah that's who Don C remember that whole shit went down with the paparazzi fight that was with Don C his tour manager yeah you know hopefully

finding some friends you know if you don't have a friend all of your friends at one point should say to you yo shut the fuck up right

if you don't hear that a lot and that was really telling about the TMZ tape right where that dude just like he was straight

with him it's like hey man like here's how you're fucking up and immediately had that light bulb oh yeah you saw it go oh my god right I'm fucking oh yeah Derek it's been a pleasure having you man thank you so much yeah this has been great where can people find you follow you uh Twitter at my name, Derek Lemos, L-E-M-O-S.

Instagram, Facebook, all the social media stuff. My website just launched, DerekLemos.com. I've got some podcast projects down the pipeline. Nice. Nice. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Yes. you've been enjoying yes so um at instant sunrise they did a firestorm thread of every u.s president talking about how they ain't shit oh yeah i saw that it's like a thread and i was like whoa

george washington was a bullshit ass general and i was like yes talk that shit that was exactly what it was and you know and for anybody who not like, I'm sure your listeners are pretty savvy, but you see over and over and over and over and over again just how ingrained big business has been with presidential elections. And it's like, this is exactly why you guys have to get involved. Like, I can't stress it enough. Like, yeah, our president's saying shit, and we can do better, but y'all got to make it happen. Yeah. The power does rest with the people. Just got to realize that power.

Mm-hmm. Miles, where can people find you? You can find me and follow me at MilesOfGrey on Twitter and Instagram. There are two tweets that I like. One is from our boy, Mr. Brody Reed. He put CK, talking about Louis CK, emboldened hundreds of white guys to tell jokes about their dicks at open mics. And for that alone, he should be banished indefinitely.

And another one is from at Cup of Chino, caught on the hot rocks. He said, why do so many people on here think someone watching your Instagram story means anything more than they were bored on the toilet? It's true because that's when I, the stories are active when I got the squatty potty. Actively. You live in that squatty potty? Oh my God. Changed my life.

Game chamber. Changed my life. I went from a fucking 45 minute shitter to 40 minutes. Because I like to watch the Instagram stories. But yes, it's a, yo, I'm, I can't say too much

because they don't sponsor this show, but golly, golly, it helps. I can't say too much because they don't sponsor this show. Well, they're going to have to after this. Golly, golly. It helps. So if Miles stopped watching your Instagram stories like a month or two ago, that means you were in the 45th minute of his Instagram stories. That or I'm really backed up. Yeah.

My tweet is from Karen Kilgariff. Just very simple. What a time to be inside. I like and agree with that sentiment. You can follow me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can follow us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com,

where we post our episodes and our footnotes we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we write out on uh you can also find the footnotes in the episode description miles what song are we getting right up on today okay so uh you know trump was really out here trying to get the evangelicals in line warning of fire and brimstone if uh you know liberals get their way of equality oh my god that would be a fucking awful thing uh so this track is actually from death from above it's from their new album it's called holy books a little bit of a commentary on uh you know our holy books and uh the ghosts we call our friends so yeah this

is death from above 1979 one of my favorite just like power duos because it's just drums and bass and my goodness the way he got that Ampeg, Dan Armstrong, clear Lucite bass

just banging. It's a sight to behold and a sound to behold. Alright, we're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. We'll talk to you guys then.

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