The Daily Zeitgeist - mAsKs cAuSe cOmPaSsIoN, Ellen Degenerate? 8.4.20

Episode Date: August 4, 2020

In episode 686, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Marcella Arguello to discuss the anti-mask movement, celebrities fleeing the United States, Ellen DeGeneres feeling betrayed by the crew she tortured for speaking out, and more!FOOTNOTES: Mom Influencers on Instagram Are Spreading Anti-Mask Propaganda 5 Questions: Stanford scientists on COVID-19 mask guidelines Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus Anti-mask protesters' new weapon: wearing masks that offer no COVID-19 protection ‘Not handling the pandemic well’: Man fires at officers with AK-47 after refusing to wear a mask, police say Zac Efron to Possibly Join Long Line of Rich People Fleeing the United States Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson are officially Greek citizens Ellen DeGeneres ‘Wants Out’ of Her Show Amid New Claims, Feels ‘Betrayed’ WATCH: Godtet - Max Lush Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back. I was like,. I was like, when I was like, okay, Marcelo's on, I'm bracing myself for no myth. I gotta get used to that.

Thank you. Gotta bring our own myths. You know what's funny? On all my notes, I don't have it even written down. I don't even enter it in. Yeah, it's like,

it doesn't, it's not real to you. Therefore, it doesn't exist. Right. I busted that myth that we have to do the myth busters.

Okay. I'm getting meta on it we've already been blessed by a Beyonce impersonation and a Britney cause you're rocking a Britney shirt what's up with that Britney team what's the design exactly

I guess like Iron Maiden oh yeah yeah yeah oh with the slave for you? Okay, I remember that performance. Iconic. And don't worry, guys. For those listening, my picture attached to the Daily Zeitgeist promotional links

are going to have the shirt. The shirt, fantastic. At least part of it. I got it on Etsy. It's not like official. Ever since the Free Britney campaign started, I was like, oh, she's not getting any of her own money. Yeah.

Right? Oh, boy. But I heard that there's a conspiracy theory that she makes all her Etsy stuff herself. And it's all sending a message to release her from her bondage. She's got a way of interacting with fans. Especially that one tweet.

I remember Super Producer Anna Hosny had dropped this conspiracy video tweet about Britney where she was talking about her favorite moment in Frozen. And then one of her fans goes to relating a time she said she went to bed to that actual time code in Frozen. And it's like this whole thing about

they gotta let me go. It was really interesting, but then I realized... Let her go. Oh, I should do a Britney, but... Let me go gotta let me go it was really interesting but then i realized let her go that oh i should do a brittany but let me go sorry jack i cut you off but nobody cares uh yeah nobody not for that voice i was about to say um but yeah that that one was very intriguing for sure. It was, she said her favorite movie was Frozen. The time she goes to bed was...

Between 11.30 and 12. And then if you look between 11.30 and 12, but that didn't quite make sense because that moment is not between like 11 minutes and 30 seconds and 12 minutes. Okay, Joe Rogan, we get it. I know everything. I don't buy it. Okay, Joe Rogan, we get it. You know everything. I don't buy it.

I think the funny thing, though, is we're more willing to invest time into stuff about Britney Spears than a cabal of worldwide predators that are trying to bring Barack Obama to power, like the QAnon people. I have more energy for Britney shit than I do. Yeah.

Well, that's just because we've had the wool pulled over our eyes, man. About Britney, yes. Yeah. What the hell did I sign up for? Yeah, yeah, that's just because we've had the wool pulled over our eyes, man. About Britney, yes. Yeah. What the hell did I sign up for? Yeah, yeah. Sorry, we're doing this now. You're wearing this shirt.

So, Marcella, when did you wake up? Oh, my God. You mean today? I don't... Nah, sister. I'm talking about when you saw through

all the bullshit, man, and you knew what was going on with Britney Spears. What? Huh? Probably they could see my face while I do that. Oh. Well, when it goes to video, at some point.

I think they can see your face through the voice. Yeah. All right, Marcella, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. Yeah, you are. First, we're going to talk about what we're talking about today. We're talking about the anti-mask movement that is becoming more mainstream somehow, Talking about the anti-mask movement that is becoming more mainstream somehow. And also more extreme.

A man who refused to wear a mask and then shot at the police with an AK-47. We'll talk about him. We'll talk about Trump's re-election strategy. You can tell that things have changed. Because before, it wasn't clear if he was going to even debate anybody when he didn't know who his opponent was going to be and who when he thought he was just going to kind of glide to re-election but now uh it seems like they're they're like let's get a debate every day man we we want to get out there because they know they can just start throwing haymakers uh and you know change it's called desperation you know um it'd also be a

good strategy though oh yeah no it's definitely smart because they're it's the one that makes sense if nothing happens between now and the election it's not good for him so he needs big things to happen um the dia is investigating trump and his company over fraud, something I thought we knew, but apparently we did not. So we'll talk about that. Well, that was his other company. Right, right, right. We're going to talk about Men's Warehouse and Lord & Taylor going out of business and all these companies that are going out of business.

And I'm going to ask you guys to explain it to me. We're going to talk about celebrities moving out of America. We're going to talk about Ellen, all of that, plenty more. But first, Marcella, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Well, I don't know if this is revealing about who I am, but I was watching, probably if you met him, Pacto, the Spanish channel with my mom mom and they had mentioned that that guy that was in minnesota at the auto zone busting the windows the umbrella man yeah they caught him and then he's did you guys see that yeah he's a white supremacist yeah he's a white supremacist and so i was just looking that up and he's a hell's angel he's part of the aryan cow i didn't

know i just like just found this out so i was like does everybody knows but you guys know it's because you have to read every news story. We haven't talked about it on the show. Oh, you haven't talked about it? Yeah. It's like a moment where we go, right, that guy who we thought was so shady, who looked like they were trying to incite violence, was a white supremacist trying to incite violence.

Yeah, but I think that it's important to talk about because we all saw that video, but I certainly didn't see it on Twitter that he was arrested and that he was caught and he was a white supremacist, Hells Angels. Oh, it kind of blew up on Twitter, at least on activist Twitter, because everyone was sort of like, whoa, gee. I must have been logged off that day. I mean, it's again, but the bottom line is you got the information without being on Twitter. That's true, you're right. That we all need to learn is you don't need Twitter to learn about most of this shit.

There are some things that Twitter will cover, but then we trick ourselves into doom scrolling for fucking 45 minutes straight. It moves so fast. It moves so fast on Twitter that you do miss it. So that's true. There is just, there's a fire hose of corroborating information for the point of view that white supremacists

are committing a lot of hate crimes and white supremacists are doing a lot of really shady shit. There's so much information that something like this, we're just like, yeah, I mean, we said that was probably the case, but we didn't officially announce that it had been, or at least it wasn't in our outline of things to talk about on today's episode. But I don't know.

It just seems like there is a big imbalance between all the... It's like the Gish Gallop that Andrew T. talks about where it's like you have so many arguments to make to prove that you just sound... It's like you have so many arguments to make to prove that you just sound... Look at this picture meme. Okay, everybody's

white supremacist. We got it. And you're like, yeah, they are actually. Can we talk about that? That's kind of the problem here we're talking about. Wait, and now you're checking out because you realized this? Uh-oh, that's a problem. We get it. Everything's white supremacy. Can I go back to whatever, bluey?

Yeah. There was a black man in Milwaukee who was a Trump supporter who was murdered in late July, and the Republican, like Scott Walker and the local Republicans of Wisconsin are all being like, he was definitely murdered by a Democrat. Like that's where they're at is if there's something that like just tangentially might relate to a story that like supports their point of

view, they're going to, you know, make those connections and just throw again, just throw haymakers. Cause they're, you know, the,

the facts aren't supporting their perspective. But on the other hand, we just have so much data coming at us supporting the things we're trying to tell people. leave stuff like yeah there's a conspiracy by white supremacists to start the riots that they're then uh arguing using as evidence uh against black lives matter and in some stories the proud boys were coordinating with the police department oh yeah allegedly allegedly but then you see the photos and you're like okay so what are they talking about video is wild it's just like yeah you guys all right look we we want to get you guys we want to keep you guys safe so yeah you're good out here but just so you know like uh it's really wild uh marcel what is something you think is overrated uh i think the meme accounts you guys i hope you guys don't follow meme accounts just

like on ig like beige cardigan and shit like that? Yes, people follow so many of them. And I just, as a comedian, it becomes frustrating because all they do is steal content to create a huge following. And they get money. And it's really frustrating for a lot of comics. And there's some meme accounts like Saint Ho that take popular ideas. They usually credit the people and then they like put a twist on it i like that but the people that like collect um jokes that

they see online and people like proudly share them like it all started with the fat jew i'm sure you guys remember him yeah exactly yeah um and i just feel like people need to be reminded to like support artists and all that shit well yeah but the thing is like i'm a curator you know like and like that's my thing like their gift is the jokes and my gift is to identify that and then like aggregate that in a one place for people to enjoy that and yeah maybe i'm leaving out handles and like who actually wrote the joke and i'm acting like they're my ideas but the bottom line is that's not what i was meaning to do so anyway bye white girl rose by white girl rose it's fucking lit i'm out that's literally the mentality it's really frustrating it's really frustrating as a as

a comic and you i always see people get their shit stolen and it just becomes and we don't always see it so i just encourage people to follow more funny actually organic funny people and more funny actually organic funny people and unfollow meme accounts it felt like there was almost like a good wave of outrage towards these accounts like the fuck jerry's of the world um like maybe a year ago when it was all kind of coming to the surface of like how they just operate and who they make ads for and how it's all bullshit and like how they were like working with mike bloomberg too remember that oh yeah they took mike bloomberg money being like yo it's all bullshit and how they were working with Mike Bloomberg too. Remember that shit? Oh, yeah. They took Mike Bloomberg money being like, yo, it's lit, Bloomberg.

But it was cool because they made fun of the fact that they were taking money. So it's all good, guys. It was so fucking frustrating. That was crazy. Yes. Okay, we all agree. Thank you. Yeah.

I mean, it's interesting to see how people rationalize things like having no creativity of their own, stealing other people's work. And like the gymnastics you go through to be like, no, see, my function is not of intellectual property thief, but of recontextualizing other people's work. So these accounts were replaced by somebody named Beige Cardigan, who's just like the most bland thing possible. They're like, don't look at me. I'll just blend into the background. Well, Beige Cardigan's like an offshoot of the Fuck Jerry Empire.

Got it. They just changed their name to be like, yeah, this is less noticeable. That's what's crazy to me is how connected they all are. Yeah, it's like the same 10 people. It's just like, that's when watching that Fyre Fest documentary too, you could see like the versions that wasn't trying to completely absolve their involvement and you're

like oh interesting like how it's just like this little office and everybody's just kind of grinding these like stolen memes out and shit for people the hack to capitalism is shamelessness that's the thing that makes you good at capitalism. That's a fact. Until that's not the truth anymore, until we fix something about the system or find a new system, yeah, we're going to be in kind of a fucked up situation. What is something you think is underrated, Marcella?

Taking a break. I feel like right now people are learning how to slow down a little bit and take a break. I don't think you guys are. You guys have to do this fucking podcast every day. You guys have to read every news story on the fucking planet. I feel like you guys need a break more than anybody else. I'm just happy that I'm taking a break and I encourage everybody to take more mindful breaks. And I don't mean

vacation, like going on a vacation. First of all, I can't do that. But second of all, vacations are fucking exhausting. They're exhausting. Yeah. How do you take a break? Check? Yeah.

Yummy. She's talking right at my heart. They are exhausting. Get the kids in the car. I don't know if I brought the car seat. But wait, so how do you, because I remember last time we were talking, Marcella, it was more kind of in the context

of you not going up on stage and being able to do standup and how you've sort of been realigning that way. But how, what's this sort of other way you're thinking of, you know, if you're spreading the gospel to give taking a break literally pausing and like not and and you know just getting off the social medias and i don't remember if this is what i said last time it's just like stop thinking that you need to be out to relax you know like create a sanctuary at home and i know it's hard with kids but there's there's

ways where um you can kind of just chill out and and i just it's funny because you guys literally read the news every day and i'm i feel fortunate that i don't have to keep up with shit if i don't want to you know like going back to what we talked about with the umbrella man it's like i didn't know that and i'm glad i didn't find out what the day happened on twitter sure because it's just fucking exhausting but i think you know for us right i'll speak personally like i have to the way i can look at pay attention to the news every day i just have to use social media less every day now like that's been the trade i've realized i've had to really really make is i used to really engage with twitter and other everything just to get as much information at once just from scrolling. And then I'm like, it's I'm not engaging with it the same way. I think some people and I'm

not a comedian that gets just a lot of jokes out on Twitter. So my feed looks a little different and the way I want to respond to my feed is a little bit different. So it really is about a trying to be able to carve out like moments ofitude for yourself because that's really how you stay afloat and not get sort of overwhelmed by everything is to say, you know what? I'm actually, I like cooking or I like to chop vegetables or I like to paint or you know what? Sometimes watering my plants feels good.

Really, the thing that I've had to do is really find those moments and be like, oh shit, that thing helps me a little bit. It's funny, guys. For everybody listening at home, Jack is writing down copious notes right now. He's like, what is this? Buy plants to water.

Buy food for chopping. I need chopped food. I turned 40 last week as we talked about on yesterday's episode and i just went like directly into like old guy mode where i'm like now doing crossword puzzles that's great but see that's what i'm saying is the older you get the more you realize like those old guys that go to the coffee shop and sit there and read their newspaper at 5 a.m. and you're like, oh, I get that now. You need that shit sometimes, yeah.

Yeah, it's a good release. I mean, yeah, and you even bought those reading glasses at Rite Aid right off the rack. Yeah, put those on the tip of my nose. Yes, right there, and you're like, here we go. Yeah, and the crossword puzzles that I get are in a book and it's oversized print so that I can actually read the clues. It's actually broken up into quadrants. So each puzzle is actually four full pages.

Even still, I think they're too small, frankly. What's the biggest crossword book you've seen someone carry? Because I think the biggest game book I've seen was somebody who had a phone book size Sudoku. Wow. Yeah. And I could not believe that someone was even like, yeah, I need to carry this like eight pound book around. Yeah. Best thing I ever saw was the, I think I've talked about it before, but the guy with the Mensa Sudoku book. Oh, yeah. Just letting you know.

Just the biggest flex. He was like, you know, in his 60s and probably spends half his time harassing Jamie Loftus. Calling Jamie Loftus slurs. Oh, man. And typically, we like to ask our guests, what is a myth? What's something people think is true,

you know, to be false or vice versa? But we don't do that uh when marcella is on no i hate it and you know what was funny is you guys have some listeners that are mad right now and they're gonna send me a message about it yeah i just don't see why i just i just i really i can't why does she come on it's funny i used to you know when people you get smoke all the time on social media from your listeners from random people on the right who found out about your show and want to just fucking have it out with you and your dms on ig or whatever but yeah at a certain

point I really had to be like I'm I'm not able to like live outside of my phone. All of this emotional energy goes into a thing I'm holding in my hand when I realize I live my life out in the world, talking to neighbors or my friends. Maybe not right now. Or in the very sense that that's what life actually is. You forget the shit starts blending with each other, and you start thinking your life actually is what's happening on social media and like you're like it's all virtual and you're like put the phone down because i live in this physical space where there are human beings that i interact

with who know me versus like this other gamified existence or version of interacting called social media where there are likes and retweets and all this other stuff and i'm like oh boy i'm getting too like it gets it gets exhausting. Did I ever tell you guys how my brother's an internet troll? Did I ever tell you guys that story? No. Yeah, I mean, this is, I feel like part of why, because I never really went through that, Miles,

of like having that realization because years ago I found out my brother was trolling people. Like he had his account that, you know, doesn't have his name on it, doesn't have his picture on it. And I found it and I was like, Nick, because he was interactinglling people. He had his account that doesn't have his name on it, doesn't have his picture on it. And I found it. And I was like, Nick,

because he was interacting with people who were trying to troll me, like conservative Republicans. And he just kind of went after them. And I was noticing. And I was like, what are you doing? I was like, we're at dinner right now. And you're in this conversation.

But I'm reading these messages. What the hell? We're harassing these people. But you're saying the opposite thing on different comments. Like he'll say one belief, I like the color blue, and then down the-

It's like, I hate the, yeah, I hate the color blue. And he was just like, oh, I just say literally the opposite thing people are saying just to make them mad. I just like to get a reaction out of people. And I was like, oh my God, my brother's an internet troll.

And then from that moment on, I was able to to anytime someone was harassing me or saying stupid shit. I was like, oh, is this my brother? Like what? What is happening? You're at dinner right now and you just want me to react. I was like, yeah, that's how I saw it. He was trolling you. I thought he was like throwing his body in between trolls and you with his trolling.

Doing it all. He was doing it all. That's what I'm saying is I was like, I know you don't believe these things. Why are you saying this to people? Stop engaging. Yeah, just for that rush. This is just annoying me.

And it wasn't even a rush because he's just sitting there at dinner completely deadpan, monotone as always. Just chewing food, right? Yeah, it didn't affect him at all. He was just like, oh, it's just kind of funny how mad people get. And my brother even said,

if you engage with them long enough, you'll get them to contradict themselves. Right. And then you just be like, this you? Right, exactly. And so I learned that years, years, years ago, so that when the shit really started popping off in my life online, and when Tucker Carlson put me on blast, I was like, come at me, guys. I could give a fuck less. the shit really started popping off in my life online and you know like when tucking carlson

put me on blast i was like come at me guys i could give a fuck less right and also people don't know you're the wrong fucking one oh i know we're opposites i i am i don't have time and you like i got every fucking second of every minute of every waking fucking hour for y'all and i will torture as the thing is i really don't have the time but i do have the time but i also know how easy it is yeah yeah that's what it is it's reflexive clapbacks that are devastating yeah so and it's funny because i could just kind of sit there and be like let me think about this reaction real quick i would really annoy this person give it a few minutes and i go back because it's like, it's the best thing

because I'm so good at dealing with hecklers at a live show. And I'm also good at acknowledging when a heckler had something better to say than me.

I'm like, anyway, you got me on that one. Which is sometimes, I don't know if you guys ever seen, but sometimes somebody will say some wild shit

on Twitter, like insulting, and I'll be like, you know what? This is funny. I'm going to give you that one, cowboy cowboy because i i just i have a good attitude about it which i think is what really has helped me a lot but anyways i i trolls are funny yeah miles did you just trick marcella into doing a myth is that what just happened you just hey i

don't know man it seems how is it i'm trying i don't know the myth. That could be a myth, man. What is the myth, though? How is it? I'm trying to. I don't know. The myth is that these trolls aren't just, you know. These trolls ain't loyal. That's right. These trolls ain't loyal. Mm-hmm. Nope. But yeah, I think that's the thing, though. But also, it's easy for people who are not like you, Marcella, who just can look at it

and be like, okay, you want to play? But you're not ready to play with me. Yeah. People get really pulled into this thing of trying to prove who they are to people that don't know them yeah that's a problem and it's like yes see now you get an imaginary arguments with people that don't even exist like you got an avatar in your mind and that's just i think that's the danger of social media like pulling you away from your own humanity and sort of what the value is of, you know, true social human interaction and what that means versus like the chaos rectangle you hold in your hands that you just get stressed out for 20 minutes.

I also don't like when people are like, don't at me, you know, and when they're really looking for an interaction, then they get like, didn't I tell you not to at me? It's like, this is public. Like people are going to react. That's kind of what this is. Yeah. Like if you want to not be added, have a WordPress blog site with no comment section.

Shit. Like I used to have, and nobody went to. Damn, that's sad. Moment of silence. It is what it was, you know what I mean? The old sweatpants.blogspot.com. Oh my God. Is that what it was called, the old sweatpants?

I think it was the old sweatpants. He's going to look it up right now. I have to to make sure. Just to make sure that shit is still there. It probably didn't. dot com oh my god is that what it was called the old sweatpants the old sweatpants he's gonna look it up right now i have to make sure just to make sure it's that shit is still there it probably didn't because i'm gonna do the sound effects for you nah nah shit ain't there they're like sorry bro that that blog was trash it wasn't even a 404 all right guys let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that.

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All that on the Happiness Lab. Listen on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts and we're back and I wanted to talk a little bit about the anti-mask movement it just seems like there's like some ways in which it's creeping into the talk a little bit about the anti-mask movement. It just seems like there's some ways in which it's creeping into the mainstream a little bit. I noticed some sort of moms and dads of children in classes my kids have been in, spreading things that were anti-masker light type shit. yeah masker anti-masker light type shit and there was a big protest in germany which i had kind of uh credited with being good about this sort of thing where they were like you can't tell

tell us to wear masks basically so i just wanted to like kind of take a step back because it does seem like i don't know the like this is the direction this whole thing is headed like that that just doesn't seem to be going away no matter how many scientific papers and you know panels of scientists come out and say no masks are important like for some reason they just don't seem capable of uh letting that. What's like the take that you're hearing from people? You're like, damn, y'all are on this shit too.

Cause usually, you know, the real heavy shit is like the over the top Satan trying to mask that stuff. But then you see the sort of concern troll the, um, angles about it of like carbon dioxide poisoning. Exactly. So the,

the one I'm seeing from parents is unmask our kids let's talk mom to mom uh that was like a graphic that i saw people passing around and then from inhaling micro mold caused by trapped water vapor for exhalation can be harmful inhaling the slow buildup of co2 causes impaired cognition suffocation for babies and toddlers who cannot communicate. These are all debunked. Right. They're saying our community is seeing evidence of all of these issues in children.

That's not true. Okay, where's that evidence? Yeah, exactly. It's on YouTube. It's on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. And it's...

It's frightening is what it is. It is. I think we're just seeing this everywhere now that social media is a thing like we're not designed to be an evidence-based species we're designed to be a narrative based one um there was this uh on choppo actually uh adam mckay was talking about the book species and how the thing that that separated Homo sapiens from Neanderthals, like we were basically like the two competing forms of like what approximated humans. And the thing that Homo sapiens kept losing battles, but then they would come back with more and more people and eventually like overwhelm the Neanderthals. back with more and more people and eventually like overwhelm the neanderthals and the idea is basically that they were able to get people to believe in these narratives and like get on board

with whatever the war cause was um and that is like our defining feature is like our gullibility essentially and our ability to like believe in a narrative to get charged up by a narrative. So it's not anything to do with the truth. It's just that we believe in stories. That's like our defining feature as a species. I feel like you just explained my most recent breakup. I just really believed in stories. It was really just, what a dumb bitch. Thanks for that read, Jack.

You really, really hit me hard on that one. Yikes. Okay, sorry. How didn't believe that was his ferrari it had an avis sticker on the window he said she was just a friend helping him through his last breakup oh my god jesus that's why they're still close it's i mean it's just funny because you're right i agree i fully agree with you that is totally right it's scary as fuck how much we just, we take people for face value. I mean, it's hard for me too because I was just talking to a friend

because I'm like too honest. I'm too truthful to the point that people don't believe me when I tell the truth. And I have found that very fascinating because most people don't just lie, but they believe their lies or they just spread so much nonsense that when you are telling the truth or you're providing facts or you know you're

showing shit with science people are like i don't know i just it doesn't feel like it makes sense right and it's like i don't even know how to fucking deal with this shit because I have a family member who's anti-mask and it's like she really, she talks in circles. And it's exhausting. It's exhausting. It's the troll thing. It's just you can't.

And these people have children. Yes. Yeah, that's. I think the other thing though too, it's like this level of exhaustion people get because like on one level, we're willing to say, yeah, this is something biology and science

is going to take the lead on in figuring out because we are flesh and blood humans, and that's just the arena we're in. The science is going to have to solve this. It's not about like, oh, well, if I fucking cock my fist back far enough in a Rite Aid, I'm not going to get coronavirus. Oh my god, I was just aroused. You guys should have seen what I've seen.

He put his fist up to the camera. Wow. So there's this other thing where it's just so much tidier an explanation to just say the cure is already out there and they're just keeping us from that with all these masks and shit because X, Y, and Z.

And it's so much easier than to say I'm completely out of control right in this instance i have zero fucking control over this yeah what i do have control over is my outlook on things and these other so the things you do have control over it's like yeah fuck it i'm gonna get charged up off this if i put a mask on i will poison myself even though there have been countless doctors medical experts uh respiratory specialists who have been like, I'm going to hook myself up to a blood oxygen reading like machine with a mask on. And I'm going to walk for a long time so you can see what my like my oxygen levels are. And they will never go in anything out below 98 percent ever.

This is not going to happen. You will see me do this because I'm trying to show y'all because you believe this other thing. And again, that doesn't work because these people do this because I'm trying to show y'all because you believe this other thing. And again, that doesn't work because these people are like, I'm tired of being at home. I'm tired of not like working. I'm tired of being broke. There's all kinds of stressors building on people that they aren't able to

articulate. I think also, so it's so much easier to be like, fuck the government and these masks when it should be like, my employer won't give me health insurance. And I have like other kids that I'm worried about getting an education. But it's easy to put all that shit into this other tidy thing of the master fucking us up, blah, blah, blah. And I get it on one level, but it's dark and it's dangerous because there's a lot of real energy out there.

It's also because I think that's the extreme of people that are so frustrated that they're angry and that they believe this bullshit i think there's the other group of people that they don't know how to just and this is common for a lot of people they don't know how to say i don't know i don't know what's true i don't know what's happening as opposed to you know holding on to these extremes i mean that's what's fucked up i mean that's that's big part of the problem with a lot of issues is that people don't know how to admit that they don't know. Yeah. And it's okay not to know.

I think this has been like our most common underrated that guests have come on to say is that or just basically make normalizing saying you don't know. Yeah, it's true. That's okay. Yeah. And I think there's, we don't want to be one part of a system that's as americans in particular we don't want to be uh like we're we're just i think too much of our uh self evaluation our self-value it comes from the idea that we're um somehow special because that's what like American identity is based around. And so,

you know what, like these ideas are, it's not like some genius is somewhere picking the perfect idea to appeal to mothers and realizing like that, telling them that their motherly intuition knows what's best for their kids instead of scientists. Like, and that these are all things

that they secretly suspected and hoped were true like they it's just that there's a million ideas being put out and the one that is most successful at like clinging on to those desires of mothers is the one that gets spread virally like literally it's like a thought virus that is being spread the most effective one is going to eventually like take over and that's kind of what like the social media like i the more i think about this the more i'm like we as long as we have social media and we're fucked nobody who's responsible uh acting as a gatekeeper on like what gets spread. It's just going to be ideas that people wish were true rather than the truth. Yeah.

Cause Twitter's starting to look like the first grade schoolyard and there's a third grader telling them some bullshit they all believe. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? And that's, and it ends there. It's like, yeah,

great. I mean, what Mark said, you know what I mean? Like if you, uh, you know, if,

if you look at this thing too long, like you'll go blind at that, that, that, like don't touch your penis or you'll go like, it's like yeah great i mean what mark said you know what i mean like if you uh you know if you look at this thing too long like you'll go blind like don't touch your penis or you'll go like it's like all this weird it's just like pseudoscience shit that like you you know like because that's what it feels like when you're a kid like the lame shit you believe is the gospel right right because someone's slightly older than you yeah whatever the fuck it is god truth fairy the truth fairy so i think now like with social media it's sort of the same environment where you have a receptive audience somebody just sprinkles that in and there's no one there to be like yo someone needs it's just a lot of energy now like how do you get somebody to look at something differently when they're already so receptive to anything

because we're fate like people have just been failed or people have failed to understand what's going on i'm i'm also yeah i'm also shocked that like people it's it you a you go to a doctor's office if you get surgery they're in masks if you if you travel people more masks and other places i mean one of the weirdest conversations i don't know if i mentioned this last time one of the weirdest conversations i ever had when i was i was um working in tokyo another comedian and he saw a bunch of people in masks and he his reaction was like if they're just gonna leave the house that they need to wear a mask why don't they just stay home and i was like what if they have something and they're trying not to spread it and like i and that's what it is and that was the thing was i was like i've never even had that thought i've never even had to defend someone wearing a mask and that was the thing was I was like, I've never even had that thought. I've never even had to defend someone wearing a mask.

And that was my initial reaction. And I guess I always think back to that moment of like, why did he see that that way? And why did I see it this way? And that's really how I see it sometimes where it's like some people just are incapable of looking at shit in different ways. You just see it the one way and that's it yeah the sort of weird the whole idea that scientists are trying to get people to understand is that it's source control that you'd be protecting other people if because you might have already caught it and might be asymptomatic the time yeah when they change from being like

masks should be worn if available to everybody who needs to wear masks is when they realize asymptomatic people are spreading this disease. You might have it and not realize it. But that requires people to like it's just so incongruous to

the version of reality that Americans are the like I'm special. I'm like of empathy, not part of the system. You know, we're, we're fed a very tailored diet of bullshit stories about the country too.

That makes everyone, if you're not critical, you'd be like, yeah, America's like the coolest place where, uh, like white people just prosper and nothing bad ever happens. Right.

Like really, you know, I think you're not raised learning what the foundations of this country are in terms of that it's built off of, you know, chattel slavery and like using this forced labor to create the foundations economically to create this like amazing country or that it was completely stolen from indigenous people and that we've systematically made it. So it's impossible for these groups to now flourish in this new version of America. So it's, and then on top of it, the country doesn't know the kind of destruction or war

that many other countries have had brought to their doorstep. So there's this idea that America will never know, like, we'll never know foreign troops on our streets. We'll never know bombed out buildings from like an invading army or anything anything like that but it's and it's woven into the histories of many other countries like yeah even if you're english you know about the blitz and you know that people had to go underground because the bombs the bombings were so wild that that's just what it was that became the day-to-day of that country the people in japan know you can get an atomic bomb dropped on you. Or any, like it's, that sort of strife is just so abstract to Americans that the second there's something like that, it just becomes, it just, it becomes a circus. Yeah.

Like there's just not that ability, I don't know why, to say, okay, we need to hold tight. But again, I think because of the mentality america is so individualistic that yeah something like wearing a mask to consider the safety of another person is just like antithetical to this whole idea we have of what it means to be american yeah i've been saying that like we need to publicize the fact that the flu shot is not for you it's for like saving the lives of old people and uh babies that you're around uh because like i feel like that's an underrepresented thing like you might have the flu and be spreading it and not really be sick like so the people who are like i haven't had the flu in years like and so i don't get the flu shot are actually you know that's a thing you're saying that's incredibly selfish i've

been saying like that needs to be the publicity campaign because that actually makes it seem more heroic to get a flu shot than not to. But I now think that wouldn't work in America. Anything that is seen as weakness and not strength is immediately rejected. So having empathy is weakness. weakness wearing a mask is weakness you know saying having to get a flu shot is weakness because then you can't be like i got

the most brolic immune system on fucking earth bro come at me like i'll eat biohazardous waste and be chill the next day like it's that idea so like to somebody because myself i was like that too uh until i got schooled and I was like, yeah, you know what? I do need to get this flu shot. And I was thinking more in this very individualistically. I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm good.

I'm good. Rather than what's my responsibility to other people in my community? What's my... But that's a thought most people... It'd be interesting. I'm curious how many Americans would ever say, now what's my responsibility to the others in my community yeah like that's a very when you have a leader that's always talking about himself in a way that makes him seem like and he i hear is a fucked up thing he achieved what he achieved being completely selfish you know and and and throwing people

under a bus shameless and yeah and and explo Yeah, and exploiting people and fucking people over. And he proved that you can achieve the greatest title in America by being a selfish piece of shit. So that's what sucks is like we can sit here and talk about this shit all day, but a lot of motherfuckers. The examples are fucked. Yes, the examples are there. And they love him.

That's why they love him. They're like, fuck it. I can fucking be selfish as fuck if I want to and get away with it and be president and be rich and have a hot wife. And be best. Yeah, and he's proving that you can be successful by being selfish.

That's what's fucked. Like we can talk about this all day, but that's the real fuckery here. And I think maybe the other side of that coin to what you're saying, Marcella, is that if he's that example, and now we're seeing how poorly he's performing because science is clearly against him and is actually the reasonable argument in all of this, that it's doubly

a threat to those people. Because like, well, what the fuck? I just thought I could do whatever the fuck I want. And now there's all this mask shit. What the fuck? But that's the thing. They are getting fuck yeah but that's like but that's the thing they are getting away with it because there are people that aren't seeing people around them die or anyone they love dies so like they they will they will not be hindered in their

perspective unless and that's what's fucked right because we see like people having white these white people in texas having parties and then their family died like 13 family members die and it's like oh shit maybe we were wrong like it that's what it's taking for some people, which is bonkers. It's a terrible price to pay for that lesson. Right, but it's still not happening everywhere. And that's what's crazy about the Florida shit, right? They were mimicking our president, and now we're seeing the repercussions of that. And so I hope that they change their mind, but will they? He's still doing not terrible in the numbers in of that. And so I hope, I hope that they change their mind,

but will they? He's still, he's still doing not terrible in the numbers in the poll. Yeah. His approval and disapproval are, his approval is going up and disapproval going down, like very slightly. And he's still not where any presidential candidate would want to be,

but it's still shocking to me that he's anything, but like, like 40 points underwater um given how how badly he's fucked up that's how but again narratives right that's to your point of narratives that means 40 of the country is all in on this narrative of white supremacy and cultural dominance yeah and it's again it's the fourth quarter. How all in are they, Miles? They're so all in to the point that they will shoot at cops with an AK-47 and shoot at a store owner who asks them to wear a mask with a handgun.

That's what one man did in Pennsylvania, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Another thing they're all in on, some of the anti-mask people are wearing fake masks that don't prevent them from spreading germs but just will get people off their back and they're like see nobody like stops us from wearing it it's all compliance it's not about prevention they're using the fact that they are going out of their way to do like an aggressively sociopathic thing as evidence that the mask people are wrong somehow. Yeah. That's how far you go.

When I shoplift, it's definitely the store's fault. That's for sure. That's for sure. Oh, I mean, their LP protocols were all fucked up, man. Lost prevention for the amateurs out there. For the rookies. Yeah. Back to that guy in Bethlehem,em pa who started licking shots at a

store owner because he stole he's like put your mask on you can't be in here he's like fuck that took two cigars and when the guy came after him he like shot a shot in the air and a couple of the guy at the employee and he ran off the cops found him the thing that's wild more than anything also is that this white man busted started clapping a ak-47 at the police and he just got shot in his legs and his butt and is alive they were like that's the homie yeah that's but anything that's like another part there's so many layers i'm looking at this like there's this mask thing there's this other part of imagine impersonal color even pulling out of ak anywhere yeah and it's not even that like this man deserved to be killed or whatever but just look at I could not imagine the difference of discipline of where you were shooting somebody that somehow

this man was not hitting any of his vital organs. But all that to say is that this pandemic is also just creating so much more chaos than we can actually see. The stressors, not to excuse what any of these people do anywhere, but I know the stress is so real for so many people, and it's very, very intense and existential, and it all depends on what the prism you're looking for. You can take that to some terrible, destructive place that is dangerous to the community.

You can take another place to try and figure. It's just. Like the guy that decapitated his landlord? Yeah, with a samurai sword? I mean, Jesus. I mean, a lot of these are stories that you'd feel like you'd see here and there throughout the year. Right. Coming out of Florida, but it's happening across the country.

But I think that's the other reason why the response to this pandemic is so essential. Because there's another X factor of how everyone is taking this and how they're processing the stress because of many people are looking up and saying oh i'm i'm in the hands of a government that does not care whether or not i can put food on my table or stay in my home the um yeah just one thing as a as consumers, it's worth looking at how this guy is being covered because immediately the story came out. His lawyer said, but he had gone through a divorce and he had lost his job and he's immediately being humanized.

That's another way that it's different from how it would be if this story was a person of color doing that. None of those factors would be brought up by the media. It might be brought up by his lawyer, but that certainly wouldn't be part of the story that was being published on the washington post both of john was killed in his own apartment and they say oh he was smoking smoking weed yeah um the and then uh just in terms of uh people you know they're the anti mask people are putting out uh all these macros so're going to put some links in the footnotes that have some good facts that people could use to make their own macros about why masks work that are just like very basic. Come on, y'all.

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Some of your listeners are like, no, come on, I want to hear it. What's your thoughts on it? All right, kids, tune in for the later show. Also, we're going to skip over the companies that are going out of business. And we're going to get right to zach efron fucking off in australia baby i mean they're doing the thing i think a lot of us wish we could do yeah do i have enough money i can just smoke bomb the fuck out of here right now and completely give up on what it means to live here and like any part i could play potentially in writing the ship of this country or whatever. But there's, um, it seems like, you know, we talked, I think in one of the trending

episodes, how, uh, Rita Williams and Tom Hanks, Rita Wilson, I'm sorry, Rita Wilson and Tom Hanks got their like honorary Greek citizenship. And it was kind of like, are they, are they trying to bounce? Oh yeah, they are. There's like other, there's some other other people living in other parts of Europe. It seems like people have their ways to try and escape and live in their own sort of bubble of wealth, etc.

They were trying to escape when people found out about Chet, though. That had nothing to do with the coronavirus. Yeah. I wonder if... Imagine that conversation when he's like, hey, so we're going to be Greek citizens? And they're like,

we're going to be Greek citizens? And they're like, we're going to be Greek citizens. Bomba, chat. Me not going to be no fake-ass Greek citizen, no. Me a real Jamaican, no. From Trenton. Chat, chat, chat. Yeah, mom. Me not trying to air you. You're getting me vexed now, mom. You're getting me vexed.

Chat, honey, honey, slow down. No, honey, mom. No, honey, mom. me vexed no mom you're getting me vexed chat honey honey slow down no honey mom so you know right now uh the newest thing is that there are according to sources which i just believe is zach efron's childhood friend that he's hired as his assistant uh is saying that zach is about to list his house in la and move to Byron Bay in Australia full fucking time. And I'm not really interested more in that Zach Efron is going there, but more of like watching where the wealthy and influential are like kind of at the rate at which they begin to flee the country, if they are, or how many people are just taking these like COVID vacations to be like, I don't know,

like right now it's such a mess. Like I'm just going to go to Byron Bay where I chris hemsworth or one of the hemsworths lives and just do my thing there but i don't know i mean there must be something in the water where the hemsworths were raised right those guys are uh yeah sure i'm just like it from a real estate standpoint it's got to be smart to sell now and then buy when the market is really fucked. That's what I think his plan is. He's like,

I've been trying to sell this shit. He's like, I'm going to get out now. I'll sit on a fat ass little check and then come back to a depressed market. Who knows? Do we have any evidence of other celebrities besides Zach and Tom and Rita?

There was some other person in this article who, you know, I'm just old and ignorant, so I'm not sure who they are, but Miss Fame. Miss Fame? You know who that is? Miss Fame is in Switzerland. Who is Miss Fame?

Jack's a really good improviser. No, Miss Fame. She's the best. Oh, Drag Queen. won season seven of rupaul's drag race yeah i was gonna say it sounds like a yeah miss fame was never someone who was like their name was jennifer fame right like they're they're an entity so miss fame apparently is in switzerland so you know, people do their thing. I don't know. I just think it's like one of those things I think about. I'm like, how bad could it act? I mean, like, I know it can get bad. I believe this country is capable of anything.

Okay? Absolutely anything. And we can do it just as bad as any of those other places we go and say we're trying to spread democracy to. Yeah, we invented it. So, yeah, I'm like always thinking of like, yeah, what? Well, we'll see. I guess I have to spread democracy too. Yeah, we invented it. So yeah, I'm always thinking of like, yeah, well, we'll see. I guess I have to wait and see.

2020 could be a big year. Well, it says here, Ellen is in her feelings about people telling the truth about what's going on behind the scenes of the friendly, fun-loving Ellen show. Yeah. We saw that.

We talked about the letter, or we referenced a letter in one of the episodes where she was sort of like, that is not how I wanted this show to be. Right, right. And then I've messed up. In fact, that's what happened? Right.

Well, I didn't know. Wow. And now that I know, you got my word on it that this will not be as racist. Still racist, just not as racist and slightly less hostile. She sounds like the principal

of a school that's full of racist teachers. She's like, oh, it wasn't me. What? It was them. Hold on, hold on. on mr clan face is racist miles you're on fire today uh what happened what happened i mean i thought he said those were teardrops on tattooed on his face and i realize now though that is a lynching scene okay so in that sense i failed the students i mean the way she even now there's a source right talking to us weekly right so she's big mad big mad about all the wage slaves fucking

talking all this shit behind her back it says quote again this is from a source but just when i read this i believe it's ellen degenerate herself uh speaking through a publicist this is she is pissed that people have come forward to share these negative stories about her and feels betrayed. And she feels like a, quote, target

because of her success. She knows she can be tough at times, but believes she works hard and is extremely creative and that it's a privilege to work for her and be around her. Okay,

we saw her last special. She's not extremely creative uh yeah it's i mean who says it's a privilege to work for her that's someone who's so shook yeah like yeah you know or has a gun at their head by from alan being like i mean we all hate our jobs at some point you know you know and and like the the people around us are will either make it better or worse and the bosses are usually shitheads that's that's pretty common i mean that's the thing is that there are workplace dynamics that we see it doesn't matter if you are you know following

your dreams or stuck in corporate america the workplace dynamics are fucking pretty much the same that's why hr exists right but when you have someone that is so fucking notorious for being nice and kind it's like the shit gets tricky it gets tricky to like expose because you see your co-workers are not saying anything and you're like having those little secret meetings and right but you don't know who's willing to risk it because everybody knows in hollywood if you fucking make a claim about somebody that shit could turn around and bite you in the ass yeah whether it's true you're not working forever exactly right and so it's it's all that shit and i you're right though the language in in some of her statements it's like oh bitch you were fucking living on allen island like it's right it's just weird because she really has created a bubble for herself and that's you know the also the guilt and the blame to some of her staff she's definitely

they're like there's like one showrunner who has some kind of allegation against them that they've not acknowledged publicly but privately they're like yeah that dude's about to resign yeah soon and it's like oh that's how they're handling it he's grabbing and shit there's like this one eyewitness account of how the show was from australia this guy who like works on the australia uh like today show equivalent was had like first ellen was supposed to like cohost the show, and then they just kept backing out until it was a softball interview with Ellen for 15 minutes. But he was just like, first of all, they told me, you can't look at Ellen. You can't speak to Ellen. Don't even acknowledge Ellen's presence when she's around you. And then the other detail that I really liked was he said they had to stop the taping multiple times

because her executive producers were laughing so loudly at all of her jokes that it was interrupting the filming. Also, it sounds like my audition tape when I was trying out for this gig with you. What do you mean? When I was like, ah, ha, ha, chat, come on. Don't do Tokyo Tony like that. Rob Kardashian's going through it.

Shameless. Perfect for capitalism. I see that. That's my problem. I do the fine tightrope walk of shameless because that's why I was a terrible car salesman. I could not lie enough to get a car off the fucking lot. The people that were crushing it, they'd tell anybody whatever the fuck they had to do

to get a deal done. Me, I just go for low stakes, ego strokes. That's why Jack loves you. I know. I'm just mad. Jack, man, say that other one that you said earlier. I'm just mad because no one's given me a show and I've been mean to everybody for years.

I'm like, man, you're a smart shit. Soon enough. I know now they're going to be like, see, what we need are people who are up front about their meanness. But also, Marcella, you're not mean. I mean, but the thing is, is that some people really... You have to be a good person.

Right, but what I'm saying is some people find my manner to be very aggressive and intimidating and harsh and that it upsets people because they'd rather have their shit sugar-coated like with ellen that's what the other think about someone like terry crews everybody loved him because he's so nice he's so nice he's so down now he's his big name huge following and he's spewing the most ignorant ignorant shit that's actually very hateful rhetoric yeah and it's like that's what that's the problem with and i i talked about this on the last episode the the character versus demeanor nice and mean like people put too much on what people but what people's um outward yeah you're right yeah who you are on the outside even you

know if it when every time i say like i'm so mean somebody online is and somebody who i've met once is like but marcella when i met you you were so kind to me you gave me advice and it's like guys yeah i'm trying to prove to you that people are multifaceted it's too much that any success that you have especially when you're young because how old was she when she fucking got success she was pretty fucking young she was in her youthful 20s yeah and it's like for comedy that's like yeah that's like being a wunderkind huh yeah and and it's like basically unheard of at this point because we were like a few years and and even now we still have some people that they get shit from comedy and and you watch their shit and you're like this isn't good at all but they have a huge following right you know and then they're telling people not to wear masks and then

the whole shit just gets fucked over like that's it's like why you gotta like it has to be more than just people who are kind i hate that i hate when i see shit online where oh my god this person was so sweet to work with she was so kind it's like but was she talented though did you hire for for the right reasons right it. It drives me bonkers. That's the same thing, though, with why a lot of people are like, you know, I hear this a lot, especially like being like, man, I remember Republicans were just like smiling racists. Yeah. You know what I mean? And the difference being is like it was more comfortable to be somebody who smiled in your face while stabbing you all in your fucking back

from 900 angles. But now it's like, you know what? This is the shit we need to just get out. Yeah, this is what it is. This is your character, not your demeanor, and you can't be phased by all this smiling and nonsense. It's crazy. Yeah.

Well, we'll see. How far do you think Ellen's gonna go she's gonna fully smoke bomb the fuck out of there or I mean she's got enough dough like she could she really could just buy her own fucking whatever the latest statement is that she's gonna do the show like out of spite it

sounds like she's like I'll show them show them mean go to Byron Bay in Australia right right right. Start a show. Oh, shit. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what that show looks like if she does come back. She's going to start crying like she did with those dogs.

Oh, wow. The dogs and the cats. Yeah. I'm nice. What about humans? What about children? Anybody that cries about animals in public, I'm like, girl, mm-mm. I'm like, do you? Come on on pull up for humans too yeah pull up for humans please ellen i i i you know you got you got plenty of money so don't feel like you got to do the spite

show because i would but part of me in if this if we're writing the movie right ellen comes back and she's mask off asshole ellen right so but she's doing the same bits but her energy's all fucked up so she's got like the newest viral sensation from social media some kids who she's like gonna give a check to or some shit right and she's like yeah so what how did you do all that shit with the dancing i'm just really real impressive you know what i was gonna give y'all a check but y'all are fucking whack man i'm done all right i'm just thinking about porsche de rossi anybody who can pull a bitch that looks like that you know they're lying through their teeth they're full of shit full of shit that woman is beautiful and talented when did you how long you been writing for porsche de rossi since ali mcbeal

shut the fuck up what you're not i'm curious because i love Portia de Rossi. I'm not joking. When you said that, I'm like, I was in love with Portia de Rossi the second I saw her on the show. I mean, yeah, I liked her in Ally McBeal. She's dope. And then Arrested Development. Of course. I'm saying my heart was aflutter from those Fox days with her opposite Peter McNichol. You were like, look at that straight white lady.

Oh, yeah. I mean, shout out to my homegirls. No, like some of my first crushes were like my gay best friends. That's adorable. I'm like, yo, but she knows everything about the Lakers. I'm like, that's my homegirls know, like some of my first crushes were like my gay best friends. That's adorable. I'm like, yo, but she knows everything about the Lakers. I'm like, that's my homegirl. She's an aggressive woman. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. I'm like, okay. Yeah, she's gay. Yeah, that's cool. That's funny. That's my homegirl now. You know what's funny? I have a trick when I watch sports with men.

You know, I just kind of like backwards repeat what they just said. Oh, man. Oh, right back. He's like, they're like, oh, man, he should have took that shot. I'm like, right. I think he should have. Yeah, he should have took that shot i'm like right i think he should have yeah he should have took that shot he always does it yeah he do always do that and they're just like do you know a lot about sports like they're looking at you like damn man marcella just spits straight it's really fun i'll fuck with her as soon as i see the little hearts in their eyes i'm like dude i haven't said shit this whole time i don't i don't i don't do

the trickery motherfucker i'm just mirroring. I have not said anything different. It's really funny. Marcella, as always, such a pleasure having you. It's over. Wait. Where can people find you and follow you? At marcellacomedy.com. That's all.

Everything is at Marcella. I'm sorry. I'm not in a great mood. I did just go through a heartbreak. Wait, you were legit? You went through a breakup? Yeah. Sometimes.

Literally right before this. No. So when you said that, when you're talking about the stories, that was real life? Yeah, that was my girl. Oh, Marcel. Sorry. So I'm sorry if I wasn't funny enough for you. No, you were.

You were very funny. I had it. I wasn't funny enough. No, you were. I wouldn't know. I honestly was like, maybe that happened a long time ago because she's still Marcella. No, because when he said that, I was like, oh my God, that's like me and this idiot. Wow. That's why when he said it, I was really like,

wow, wow, wow, wow. I didn't read the stories. First facts. Is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying um at dante powell recently tweeted if you're not calling terry crews jim crow jim is spelled gym jim crow you're wasting your time that has been making me laugh for a hot minute that is good good. Miles, where can people find you and what's a tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me on Twitter,

Instagram, at Miles of Grey. Also the other podcast, 420 Day Fiance with Sophia Alexander. Just talking shit about 90 Day Fiance. Yes, Jack doesn't follow me on Twitter. I assume it's because he has a crush on me. So I'm just going to let it slide. Oh, yeah.

Is that true? I don't follow you. Does Crack Daddy follow you? At Crack Daddy. My troll account? Yeah, so if you got that one and the avatar is just a big bulging tricep muscle, then that's him.

That's an instant follow back. Yeah, so that's where you can find me. That show, let's see, a tweet that I like comes from you know it's funny we were just talking about Andrew T and it just

I just like the honesty of his tweet he said got into and then lost a fight with a bird today and I just and I just need to

oh and another one is from at posadistrapgod the tweet is New Yorkers be like the south is so racist while chilling at a

boutique coffee shop that precipitated the eviction of a whole ass black neighborhood. Wow. That's accurate. Oh, oh, uh, you can find me on Twitter.

You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. Uh, let me see here. Jack, do you have a tweet? We did replace Ellen with Nicole Byer or fuck off, which I agree with. Oh, yeah.

Actually, just get Marcellin Degeneres. Yeah. I would thrive during daytime. Yeah. Like, actually do, like, the mean shit, but, like, legit. Not like Lisa Lampanelli, just evilness. Like, you got your...

Like, I just spit fat facts, and if I don't like it, I'm gonna let you know. What's funny is when I interview people, I can usually get them to, like, say some real shit. It's really funny. I don't like it I'm going to let you know what's funny is when I interview people I can usually get them to say some real shit it's really funny I don't know why people don't hire me but it is what it is they need to shut up Jack you don't even follow me on Twitter you fucking psychological liar

I crack daddy I see you over Samantha Ruddy tweeted it feels like some people don't realize that if you die in the pandemic you die in real life and then Diane Arby's tweeted I've spent my whole life chasing the high of a

scholastic book fair oh wow the smell of those them dusty ass red cases opening up to a store in your parking lot and the little like wiry spinning bookshelf

for the paperbacks. Exactly. As you sweat all over posters of Danny Tartable and Bobby Bonilla and I'm like, we're a Dodgers market. Why do we have Mets posters in our section of the Scholastic Book Fair? One of my first culturally related identities was guy who read

all like the first 200 Hardy Boys books. Sounds about right. It checks out. What an evolution you've had. Yes. Still kind of define myself by that. Anyways, you can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at

The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we ride out on. Miles, what are we riding out on today? This is a track called Max Lush, and the artist is God Tet,

but it's actually God Regas. Lush and it's the artist is God Tet but it's actually God Regas and if you you know I've played a couple of songs from God Regas before in the past I think he produced a lot of the songs on the last sample of the great album and this track

is called Max Lush and it's just very I don't know it's just lush instrumental music again it's always on some sample based shit you know what I mean but it has some nice odd meter it's always it's always on some sample based shit I mean but it has some nice odd meter it's like going in like four three you know check it out if you like the little rhythms and nice soundscapes just put this on and nod your head and relax go easy take a break as Marcello's saying

you know what I mean just honestly whatever it is anything that gets puts your mind in another place and you're kind of going out of body, really be aware of those kinds of activities because those are the kinds of things you should engage in more. Be easy, Sudoku. Not even meant to. Do Spike TV, Sudoku.

Every day. The dumbest Sudoku you can find. Right, right, right, right. The answer is bar rescue for every question all right guys well the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows that's gonna do it for this morning we'll be back this afternoon to tell you what's trending and we'll talk to you all then. Bye. Bye. Hey, fam, I'm Simone Boyce.

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