The Daily Zeitgeist - Maybe Police Are A Bad Idea: Serial Killer Edition, Friendship > Sex Scenes 10.26.23

Episode Date: October 26, 2023

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john dies at the end zoe punches the future and the dick and the news zoe is too drunk for this dystopia, which out now? Can we, is that, is it out now? Out on Halloween, Tuesday the 31st, so this coming Tuesday. Also one of the hosts of the podcast Big Feets, which if I'm reading this Paris Review article correctly is the only Mountain Monsters podcast officially endorsed by Big Feets. He's my former coworker at crack.com and co-creator of the Crack Podcast. Welcome back to the show, Jason Pargin! There are certain people listening to this who are hearing me on a podcast for the eighth time in the last week. You're making the rounds? Doing the tour? To you, I apologize apologize i booked a total of 22 podcast appearances and this is the last one

yeah because they were all in the run-up to the way book promotion goes you promote in advance it's kind of like christmas how you start celebrating christmas in august yeah in the united states it's kind of like that you promote in advance to build up pre-orders and i've been promoting for the past i don't know three years for this book and finally it is here but this in the last few weeks i've booked basically every podcast that will have me to let people know that the book is coming uh there are a lot of audiobook listeners in your audience that is something i have learned because i guess they see audiobooks as just another kind of podcast yeah it's like

what if this podcast was eight hours something yeah what if this podcast was fact-checked and didn't have people randomly singing at the beginning of it well it's all been leading up to this jason that thank you for for joining us how has the 22 podcast like is it just a blur of podcast do you even know what podcast you're on right yeah this isn't rogan man all right so the ones that are the toughest are the interviews where they want to ask me about my process and all that they're all very nice people nobody's out to grill me but that's to me the least the least interesting subject for me to discuss is myself and what goes through my mind when

writing books. I realize that fans find it interesting, but I think most creative people would prefer to talk about something else unless they are just terrible people. Yeah. They don't understand it, right? Like it's hard to like figure out your process or it seems boring to you, right? Also, my process for writing books is not like Hunter S. Thompson. I didn't get high and go in the desert for nine months and then go undercover with the Hells Angels. It is a story I just came up with. If I had to guess what your process was, that was it right there. Yeah.

Well, sorry, I cut you off, Miles. What were you saying? Oh, no, I was just saying, I mean, it's talking about process, I'm sure is can be boring to you. But if it's something different, right, I think like for creative people, it's good to hear or people who are aspiring to do creative work, just to even hear people demystify to be like, yeah, there's nothing like really special about it. It's just something I do by expressing myself, because I feel like a lot of the times it's easy to build it up in your head. It's like, what's my mythical fucking process that's so different? And sometimes it is like refreshing to hear people whose work you like just to be like, yeah, just just kind of have ideas and just kind of toy with them.

And yeah, it's nothing really wild like that. Bob Dylan is the most fascinating person to hear talk about everything except Bob Dylan songs. And then he becomes completely incoherent. And you're just like, what the fuck is he talking about? I thought this guy was smart. And likewise, Quentin Tarantino,

if you ask him about cinema, fascinating to listen to. Fascinating. Like the science of cinema storytelling writing, he can talk about that stuff. He knows more. He's forgotten more than most filmmakers will ever know. If you listen to him speak on any other subject, the most insufferable

man. The most uninformed opinions. The most just... Get him talking about screenwriting or storytelling or the history. He has seen every movie. Yeah. It's like,

let's just talk about that. But yeah, I saw, I saw like a thing. I was probably like an old clip where people were just reading him the, like the back of like VHS, like B movies to see if he like could kind of figure out what the movie was. And he was like,

to your point. I mean, I know he like worked in a video store and that is like a, sort of a huge part of him like ingesting so much media. But it was wild how pretty accurate he was with things I had never even fucking heard of. So, yeah, I just watched a B movie recommended by him. Well, like so he programs it and we might even talk about this a little bit later on, but he programs an entire movie theater here in Los Angeles, the new Bev. And he also like recommends this movie my bloody

valentine as like a good he said it's his favorite slasher movie and i i watched that last weekend and it is terrible and also like i highly recommend it it's like a lot like he knows what he's talking about absolutely when. When it comes to B movies. Right. It's a great time at the movies. Anyways, Jason, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things that we're talking about. They did elect a speaker of the house.

I don't know. Are we going to talk about that? We probably talked about it on yesterday's trending. So, but we might. Well, we'll mention it briefly. Turns out he's a piece of crap. Turns out real piece of shit. Hey, speaking of real pieces of shit, this serial killer.

That's right. I said it. This serial killer, the Kilgo Beach serial killer. Not a good guy. But also the cops did a. It's just like more in the deprogramming of my brain from a lifetime of being watching cop movies and shit like that. And then every time I read a story about the actual investigation that ends up, you know, finding, finding a killer or not finding a killer, it's always just like shocking incompetence on the part of the police.

So I just wanted to, there's a New York Times article about the process of eventually arresting this serial killer in Long Beach, or Long Island, not Long Beach, Long Island near New York City and how it happened. All of that, Plenty more.

But before we get to it, Jason, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Yesterday I searched, can a president serve from prison? Yeah. Because if the election was held today, not only would Donald Trump win, he would win so easily that as soon as they closed the polls, they would announce he had won. He's ahead in most of the swing states.

But also, it looks like the odds are he will lose some of these court cases and possibly wind up in prison. So him winning the presidency from jail at this moment is the statistical most likely outcome. So I was trying to figure out, can you do that? And the answer is, it's never happened before, so we don't know. Yeah. I mean, what is it? Does he get like a briefing through like the plate glass

and like on that phone, you know, like how do you even do that kind of shit? See, this is what I was searching because every article I ran into, they were digging into like the constitutional rules of is there anything that prevents him from serving in an office? And the answer is no, unless there's some possible thing that if he, you know, claimed that he be considered incapacitated because he can't perform the functions of the head of state? He can't do those meetings. He can't do like that would be against all sorts of rules of his incarceration. So would you just be electing his vice president? Which, again, we don't know who that is. And it is so unprecedented. Apparently, it's never been considered before. Yeah, I remember reading things about like what would happen if he went to jail, not really talking about if it's possible that he is president from there. And a lot of people are pointing out because you have that like lifetime secret service detail, the logistics

like of trying to protect someone who's incarcerated like that already becomes like murky and a lot of people are like maybe it would just end up being house arrest because of like that fact or whatever but yeah there's a lot of unanswered questions as to like mechanically how any of that i think we're like picturing him in an orange jumpsuit in a prison yard the prison yards that we've seen in movies and i i don't think there's any way that ends up happening right like they're gonna come up with some modified solution where he is like or a deferred sentence or something along those lines but i also don't think the jail that he would go to even if were he not elected president would look anything like the jails that we're imagining.

Yeah. Like it wouldn't be like San Quentin in the Metallica video. No. Like, yeah. I feel like he would be like he would have a lot of credibility. And, you know, who knows? I mean, again, that's like that thought experiment is also wild. Like what happens if you were to go and Jen pop like, you know, the skinheads are like, hey, man, we got your back.

Don't worry does it go full bulwark on us is that yeah yeah it's impossible to know it's great yeah so we don't spend a lot of time paying attention to polling but just generally he under polls like he doesn't perform well and as well in polls as he does in elections and he is winning in the polls yeah like you're right it's pretty like staggered like he's if the election is tomorrow and it's not like he's riding a wave of good fortune at this point he he is winning the election while being the most indicted human being in the united states so i don't know what happens but it does feel like we are headed towards you know an answer on this

experiment yeah they're really fucked up for sure cool country jason what's something you think is overrated i know for a fact i have said this on previous appearances, but Twitter as a place to follow a big news story, as bad as it may have been in the past, it's now, you now can't use it for that because following the situation in Gaza with Israel, Twitter became, instantly became such a cesspool of misinformation, faked clips, faked headlines. It became, usually before, if you knew who to follow, you could sort through the garbage and track what was actually happening with a mass shooting or Ukraine or something. That situation from the moment it happened in early October the 7th or whenever it was, from the very start, it just became a fog of war of lies and propaganda and AI deep fakes and everything. Whatever, all the people Elon Musk has fired from the trust and safety team,

all of those moderators, all those people that he thought was constraining the freedom of speech, now with this event, not just a big event, but an emotionally charged event and a highly politicized one, this was the one that totally broke Twitter for me in terms of a place to learn information. Right. Because I found myself knowing less about the situation, spending an hour on Twitter than if I just didn't read anything at all. Right. Because like on top of the lack of moderation, there's also just like just the general fog

of war. And I think a lot of times we think that we can get like, you know, news from the front line in real time and like in an atmosphere, an environment where journalists on the ground have limited access to things. And then we're like, yeah, but it's tweeted. So this must be what's happening. There's like so many layers to sort of combat and go through that. Yeah. Like it's yeah, we were talking about this like for the last couple of weeks. It's just it's impossible to like find solid ground on certain things yeah it's a mess it feels like in hearing people when you

hear people interviewed who worked for twitter prior to elam musk and like they felt like they were just racing from like one crack in the dam to the other just like barely holding it together you know like working around the clock to like stop disinformation they're in a race with all these you know the forces of capital and the forces of you know just any people chaos just wanting to like so disinformation discord and you know they suddenly stopped and they're like you know it's it's like that this was a around the clock pursuit just to like keep it usable serviceable right still with lots of disinformation and then he just fired all of them so yeah it's just it's a deluge of bullshit at this point, unfortunately.

You can pay to have your signal boosted for eight bucks. So it's like, well, that's now what filters up, but that's a very small amount to pay if you've got an agenda you want to push. And again, if you are just on there because you want to yell at people and quote tweettweet people and try to score points for your side and have a bunch of arguments and basically take something like the bombing of that hospital and turn it into just dunking on each other the way two sports fandoms do,

then Twitter's still great for that. If you're trying to just find out what's going on, I just want to know what's going on. I want to be... I'm not on there to try to dunk on people. I want to know what has happened. Impossible. There's such just a torrent of people yelling genocide at each other and just saying the most horrible things they can say. And then you've got the actual Nazis joining in.

It's like, well, I don't want to be on their side, but it's like, why am i seeing them at all yeah right like oh now now i remember this is the new twitter this is not twitter this is x this is where for eight bucks you have like real neo-nazi type people who have like the like squeaky clean avatar and suddenly like they've become the source of news but a lot of people are pointing out to like uh this guy's an actual nazi so like be careful what his like actual sentiments are here like this sort of conveniently overlaps with his worldview and there isn't like he doesn't have actual care for anyone in this situation he's just able to try and attack you know like the like jewish people as a whole and

i've seen like there's a couple accounts like that where i've been like oh this person's posting a lot and then like other sort of extremist monitoring people are like this person's a couple of accounts like that where I've been like, oh, this person's posting a lot. And then like other sort of extremist monitoring people are like, this person's a fucking Nazi. Like, just so you know, don't get your fucking news from him. Profits from your engagement now. Yeah. Because remember, that's not part of the model. So if they make you angry enough, like you're putting money in their pockets. Do you understand they're getting paid for your dunks now?

Yeah. But anyway, so please so please everyone stop using it for that we shouldn't be using it at all i realize that but but the dick it's hard it's hard to give it up yeah yeah what is uh what's something you think is underrated apparently we've been severely underrating the money-making potential of movies for adults right the scorsese film did very well last week and now it had an incredibly high budget, but it performed very well. And obviously, this is coming off the summer

when the Oppenheimer movie, a biopic of freaking Robert Oppenheimer, made nearly a billion dollars worldwide, made more than any of the recent Marvel movies has made. There is clearly, they have clearly created a void of demand for movies for grownups. And it's,

because once upon a time, the narrative was, well, it's just Tom Cruise, the last movie star. He's the only one keeping it aloft. It's like, no, not really. The last Mission Impossible movie did not do well.

But there clearly are adults who want to go out to the theater with their families and not watch the Mario Brothers movie. They want to see something for grownups that looks good on a big screen. Some adults want to see a Mario Brothers movie, okay? Laugh Mario Brothers movie. Chris Pratt's a fucking genius, man. His voice was fine.

How does he do those voices? He just disappears into every role. Hey, it's me, Mario. Oh, my God, Chris. You've done it again, shapeshifter. Yeah, it's... The Oppenheimer thing is worth... Yeah, at the time, it was part of this

Barbenheimer, Boppenheimer phenomenon that, yeah, I feel like we rushed past the fact that a biopic of Robert Oppenheimer made almost a billion dollars. That doesn't really make sense and doesn't cohere to any form of Hollywood logic, you know? Right. hollywood logic you know right is it just it's just because it's nolan and when you have a filmmaker but like has when stanley kubrick was making movies like people people weren't rushing out to see them like like it was a blockbuster you know like it this this feels like it's a new phenomenon that we haven't really seen like a director who anything he puts out is just like that's gonna make a billion dollars and it could be like a dry ass you know look at and not now this was like a dry boring movie but it's it's

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This is Rip Current, available now with new episodes every Thursday. And we're back. We're back. As we covered yesterday's trending, we do have a speaker in the house. Guy's kind of boring. You need to be have a speaker of the house guy's kind of boring you need to be a seditionist to he's kind of boring he's tied to like hate groups yeah kind of like a like a ant like a transphobic homophobic big kid yeah you know he said marijuana is a gateway drug anyway yeah yeah that's again run-of-the-mill stuff i think right on their creationist belief yeah doesn't believe in evolution.

Yeah. And then I feel like the night before when people were, like, asking questions like, hey, did you, like, you know, you voted against certifying the election that, like, all the Republicans were like, boo! Stop bringing up fucking reality! Yeah. So, yeah, good taste of things to come. But it feels like they've done this more out of

embarrassment and exhaustion than anything else like and they've just like all right we got to get behind somebody and because of the way that i don't know group dynamics work like the people further to the right are the ones who come who break through at that part like just full boat maggot guy is the one they all cohere behind yeah well and i'm sure the death threats helped yeah the the jim jordan death threats or there's more death threats once people were like oh i i'm getting like people are calling my wife and threatening us because I voted against Jim Jordan. I'm sure that that probably helped to to get have people fall in line at some point. But yeah. Yeah. But ultimately, like the principled moderate Republicans, like those are the principles that seem to wear down first because they don't actually care about them. I feel like. don't actually care about them i feel like but yeah as we talked about yesterday this guy's like real extremist piece of shit masquerading as a boring guy with glasses so i think that's i think that's how they got away with it they were like he looks like kind of a normal boring guy

right no oh no oh no yeah yeah this is how he looks. Yeah. Plot twist that I'm rooting for is that sometime in the next few months, a court somewhere will rule that, in fact, Donald Trump did win the 2020 election. He has been president this whole time and therefore is ineligible to run in 2024. Wow. Because that would be a third term. So you're right. We agree. Finally, we've come around. You're right.

Yeah. They just pull the chair on them like that. Yeah. In basketball, when you're guarding someone in the post and then you just like get out of their way and they fall backwards. Like they're just like, you are actually. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're right.

He won. And we're good here. Little political Aikido there. Yeah. Yeah. I want to talk about about this New York Times article about the Gilgo Beach serial killer. It's a long read that was in the paper, I guess about a week ago.

But it ties into something that we were talking about, I guess, on Monday's episode. Because I recently re-watched the movie Zodiac and seeing it again after... I didn't realize how old that movie was like that movie came out like you know 2006 2007 like forever ago and the first time i saw it it was like in theaters and i hadn't like we we did a bunch of cracked articles on like police incompetence and like the you know pseudoscience of police science and stuff like

that i i don't think we had done those i don't think i had done that research when that movie first came out and just like seeing it again with through those eyes it's like the story of like they catch the the zodiac killer pretty early on in the movie. There's just a lead suspect who there's no explanation for all the... He described the killings to somebody a year before they happened. I was like, yeah, I'm going to call myself Zodiac Killer and kill all these people and then send letters to the media. He's just the most guilty anyone's ever been. But then because of bullshit police science, they rule him out. And then he eventually like they ask the only eyewitness to the Zodiac killer, like who he shot and almost killed, like to identify it. And they're like, oh yeah, no, it's the guy who said he was going to be the Zodiac killer. That's him. That's the last time I saw him. He was a Zodiac killing me. But anyways, so I was in that mind frame when I'm reading this New York Times article

about this serial killer who was on the loose in Long Island for a long time. And first of all, one of the leads of the investigation, like I think he's like the D.A. or maybe he's the chief of police. His last name is Spoda. And he is the closest I've ever seen a real human being come to embodying the mayor from Jaws. Like he keeps having press conferences where he's like insisting that there's no reason to believe this is a serial killer right and not just like their beach is like a dumping ground for multiple killers and so like don't get your panties in a bunch it's just like people like to dump bodies here you don't know that it's the same person yeah wasn't he getting defensive like when the feds were like hey

hey find a new angle it ain't here it's like yes yes so the feds keep coming in like the fbi keeps coming in and being like we want to help you because you have a serial killer like and we have access to technology you don't have access to like we've been tracking cell phone data from the nights of the killings and we've got like the killer was using a burner phone to interact with the people who he would then murder sex workers like who he was hiring on craigslist and they were like but what we can do is we can take like any calls that were hit those same cell towers like around the same time as the burner. Like if he then switched from burner to his other phone, like we can just do that and cross reference that. And like, you know, find it pretty quick.

Probably find your killer fairly quickly. And this photo guy is like, this is our is our town i say get the fuck out of here he's like that's a fishing expedition is just right doesn't he refuses to accept the help because he is running like one of the most corrupt like police forces in the world like it's just crazy so he doesn't want outside eyes in and so i don't know in one instance they go to the house of the last victim like the woman whose body they found and he the like they interview the people who she was living with and they're like, yeah, no, we saw the guy like he has a green Chevy Avalanche with a custom door. It's like not normal on green Chevy Avalanche. Also, he's six foot four.

OK, he's a white guy with like big bushy hair. He's a white guy with like big bushy hair. And like he lives close by to where they are doing this interview. But they like run a check in a database and it doesn't immediately find the car. And they give up that. They give up that lead. Like it's a it's a rare car. A rare like a very rare color of car.

And he's six foot four. Right. It's and they just don't do anything with it. They just don't fucking do anything. It's over and over. It's just like, oh, you could have saved so many lives. You could have just done that. Like it's very basic human like problem solving that they just refuse to do either because they're like wildly incompetent like illogically unexpectedly like i didn't know people came that incompetent

or they're like they just like don't want to solve it because they don't want attention or i i don't i don't know but there's all sorts of shit just throughout this article it's really worth a read i'll link off to it in the footnotes okay as a somebody who is a fan of true crime podcasts i'm telling you this is every serial killer okay this is yes this is what like true crime i think is at least partially popular because it's the first like genre that just gets at the reality that we've all been living with that. Like the police like don't are not going to help you. Like on that show, Mindhunter on Netflix, the they made Edmund Kemper famous, the six foot nine serial killer with the mustache. The way Edmund Kemper got caught, he called the local cops and said, I'm the serial killer.

I can't stop myself. I just killed my mother. They hung up on him. They thought it was a prank. Nice try, buddy. He had to call them back because they knew him. It was a small town. They knew Ed Kemper.

He was known to the cops. He come by and said, no, listen, this is not a joke. I've just killed my mother. If you come by, you can see her corpse to prove I'm telling you the truth. And only then did they reluctantly believe him. The most prolific killer in American history is a guy named Samuel Little. He's killed at least 60 people. He claims it was closer to 100. He was arrested because he went to a homeless shelter. And I guess when homeless people check in, they run their names to see if they've got any drug warrants.

Because why not just go ahead and arrest them if you got them there? And yeah, he popped through some old drug warrants. They picked him up for that, and then only then ran his DNA. It's like, oh, this guy killed 60 people. Oh, it's you. He's the guy with the DNA we've been looking for in those 60 open murder cases. the guy with the DNA we've been looking for in those 60 open murder cases. Everything we like to believe about

these CSI shows, and they've got the hologram that recreates the victim's skull and all of that, that technology stuff exists, but there's incentive that it's hard to get into it here, but local police do not want

to believe they've got a serial killer. You would think they'd be eager to, it's like, oh my gosh, we've caught the gold state strangler or whatever. Like, we're going to be famous. I'm going to get a book deal. That's not how it works. They are so reluctant to acknowledge it. And I think that there's bureaucratic reasons for it. Like, a bunch of open cases all fall in their lap, and now it's like their problem. And also, serial murders are almost impossible to solve

because the vast majority of murders, it's somebody killing somebody they know. It's a guy killing his wife or his lover or something like that. If you have a killer who's just killing because of some obsession, and they're killing strangers or sex workers, almost impossible to catch them. So

they never want to admit or even believe that's what it is. But Jack, one of the things we covered on Cracked was at one point, Jeffrey Dahmer, one of his victims escaped. A man who he had drilled a hole in his skull to lobotomize him with acid. He was walking naked down the street. The neighbors called and said, hey, this guy is walking naked on the street. I think he came from this Jeff Dahmer's apartment. I think they're gay. It's his gay lover. The cops picked up the naked man, took him back to Jeffrey Dahmer's apartment, noted that it smelled like rotten meat and said, hey, this guy got out. Here's your boyfriend back. And then chuckled because like, oh, they're gay. Who knows what weird gay. The guy was bleeding from his head. Yeah. And they walked out. And both those guys not only are still police officers, but they are they were later promoted and are very successful.

when the victim is someone that is easy for the police and the mainstream media to other like you know sex workers in the case of the gilgo beach killings or you know in the case of the dahmer thing you know someone who's gay and they're like oh they just must be into weird weird things but it's yeah it's pretty like they they just don't want to do the work it's like it's like they just don't want to do the work. It's, I mean, on the one hand, it's easy to identify with like that of just like, oh my God, I just got so much more work, but there's gotta be a way to set up the incentive structure so that people aren't just like,

the police aren't hiding the fact that there's a serial killer happening you know right right yeah it feels like like cops sort of think that like people don't understand how anything works so they're like yeah yeah yeah we're on the case it's like we're ignoring leads we don't know what the fuck's going on and are sort of and only now like as more and more people sort of observe and analyze how sort of these cases work they're like what the fuck are you guys doing like every every case is a fuck up it feels like or you guys pressing it to be like the wrong you know wrongfully convicting someone just so you can be like all right wrap that one up that's a successful caller moving on let's keep the numbers up but yeah it's uh it's wild because like what they got them they got this gilgo beach guy because

like they they got a pizza box and got the dna off like the crust right yeah they eventually made it a priority yeah after they got the there were multiple people like the chief of police for a long period of during when the case was going unsolved and really like uninvestigated it was like multiple people's part-time job, but nobody was like a full, there was no full-time task force looking into it. Was this guy who started out as a 14 year old who lied on behalf of like, who was a witness to a crime that the police needed like a witness for.

And so people think like he just would lie for the police like starting at age 14 and he became this more powerful guy's kind of stooge and then there's like this long period of the case where he's like using the police force to investigate like an ex-girlfriend and like harass her exes and like her son and then he like beats a witness for like touching a bag that he has that's full of porn and then like is like spends all his time like engaging in a year-long cover-up while failing to follow up on like the obvious leads in this case in this serial killer case. And there's a serial killer stalking his community and his jurisdiction. And he's too busy engaging in a cover-up.

So eventually those two get taken down and then a single competent person is able to come in and basically they find all of this evidence in boxes, not digitized. They send it down to Quantico. It gets digitized and they're like, oh, we just need to find this green Chevy Avalanche. Wait, this 6'4 guy with the bushy hair?

Yeah, here's this 6'4 guy with bushy hair who's like where the cell phone records were. Like he worked, they knew the guy worked in midtown manhattan and lived in this like small area on long island and he fit that description and so after following he was like an avid hunter one of the things like all the bodies were wrapped in this burlap that suggested that the person was a hunter they like pulled hunting licenses and then like forgot to follow up on it. He this guy was a hunter who had 97 registered guns. And yeah, they they just what once they looked at the evidence, they were like, oh, it's like this is the fifth thing we have pointing to this guy who's like obviously the killer.

And then they ran a DNA. All right. look at his search history let's see if it's really the guy oh he's googling gilgo beach serial killer a bunch and the victims yeah like i saw that part too i'm like what the fuck yeah it could be this guy could be this guy might be this actually and then like all the killings happened when his wife would leave town that they like synced up with his wife would like go on a vacation and then the serial killing would happen who'd have thought crazy story we'll link off to it in the footnotes let's take a quick break and we'll be right back

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What are you horny for, y'all young adults? This cohort, age cohort from 10 to 24, what are y'all into? And the results are not too surprising, given what we know about loneliness and the lack of originality in Hollywood. Nearly half of these respondents, like this is the annual Teens and Screens report. From UCLA. Yeah, thank you so much, GoBrones. Nearly half of the respondents said that sex and romance are too prominent in the media they're consuming.

Over half said they want to see shows and movies that are centered around friendships and platonic relationships. said they want to see shows and movies that are centered around friendships and platonic relationships they are definitely they're not interested in shows where they feel the message is like you need to be in a relationship to be happy or predictable plots like the man and the woman get together at the end and they damn sure are not into love triangles they feel like that shit is so tired and i'd imagine presumably that's from watching a fuck ton of twilight and hunger games and being like, okay, bro,

like we get it. Like there's fucking these love triangles, power, everything. And another really interesting thing was like last year's report. I remember we talked about this. They wanted to see, and this was a,

this again, what I think was sort of translated to when people said they want to see lives, unlike my own, like shows like in that category, they're like, Oh, more diversity. Like they want to see lives unlike my own, like shows like in that category, they're like, oh, more diversity, like they want to see diverse stories, which is true. But now this year, they're also saying we want shows that are showing me lives like my own or movies like my own that show lives like my own, where it's not the sort of like sensationalized

hyper romance shit. There's this one psychologist at UCLA who's working on it, who's just saying that, like the results are part of quote, there's been a wide ranging discourse among teens about the meaning of community in the aftermath of COVID-19 and the isolation that came with it. Teens are looking to media as a third place where they can connect and have a sense of belonging. And with frightening headlines about climate change, pandemics and global destabilization it makes sense they are gravitating towards what's most familiar in those spaces so the message like like overall too is they're saying knock off the romantic bs show us real life and they're fucking done with remakes and reboots like yeah originality please the the the like not wanting the romance is just

so different from what i grew up with it's just like the media i grew up with if a if a male character and a female character like you know if if two characters were friends. People were like, why are they just friends? It became a will they, won't they? Why am I not watching them make out with each other if they are a man and a woman? is usually like because they're building sexual tension or because ralph macchio is 45 years old in karate kid 3 and the love interest is like 16 and he was like this is weird but yeah i don't know it's it's interesting that like this feels like a huge shift in how people kind of think about the stories that they consume. If you take anyone under the age of, say, 40 and have them watch any selection of 80s action movies or comedies, they are stunned, stunned by the amount of casual nudity in those movies. Like they used to find any excuse for the women to pop their boobs out. Yeah. Any excuse.

This was the trend well into the nineties. Right. But the movies I grew up with, like it was a whole thing. It wasn't like these are specifically sex movies or horny movies. It's just a comedy. Any teen comedy, especially anything set in high school, college, you were going to see 30 to 40 pairs of boobs in the course of the movie. Movies are so chaste now.

Like the Mission Impossible movies, you know, one of the biggest action franchises right now. Like Tom Cruise doesn't hang dong in that. He doesn't whip out his dick at any point. That equivalent franchise i feel like you would have seen if it was stallone like stallone gets naked in demolition man hell yeah finds an excuse they had there's a cut of the movie with his with his penis in it just straight up his his dick in the movie and so it's weird and there's a whole scene where he like immediately has to figure out how to fuck like his partner, his professional partner. They're like, well, and now we have sex with each other, obviously.

The movie hints is his daughter in the opening scenes because the whole thing is he goes to the future. It's like, where's my daughter? And they cut that scene from the movie because in the director's cut, whatever, he meets his daughter in that underground community. So everybody thought, oh, Sandra Bullock is his daughter. That's going to be the twist. That's why she's so in the 80s and shares his personality. And then it's like, oh, they're going to start boning? Anyway, the point being, it is very weird to see how clean movies are now.

But of course, it's in. We did not have pornography in the 80s. You couldn't get it. Like you would have to go to the counter at like a gas station and buy it and they wouldn't sell it to you. So you had to have an older relative who had a stash they would show you. Otherwise, this was your only chance to see anything like that. Where now porn is so ubiquitous that it's hard to avoid. Like it's hard to avoid on a platform like TikTok or Instagram accounts that are just there to feed you into an OnlyFans account like they're sex workers, which is fine.

But it's hard to avoid. Like if you don't want that on your Instagram, it's hard to get rid of it. Yeah. Like, if you don't want that on your Instagram, it's hard to get rid of it. So I can see now, it's fascinating to actually hear teenagers, which are, you know, allegedly the horniest of the population, say, no, I want movies that are about some other kind of relationship. I don't want everything to be about sex or about will these two people have sex. When, yeah, it used to be in an action movie, like the guy had to get the girl at the end right and it's like when the same way it's like oh man it's like i don't have access to porn so i watch these movies it's like i'm to feel alone and isolated so that's like the new commodity

so can the things i consume contain that thing that i'm yearning for which is like like a some kind of like sincere portrayal of friendship rather than yeah we used to have like you got a friendship yeah right you just had like you you were constantly interacting with people and you know maybe more more than you would like in my case as a introvert but like you know you constantly like that wasn't the commodity the porn was right you had to go to the woods to find the porn exactly yeah there was some yeah some ziploc bag with a couple magazines so it'd be okay in the rain yeah that was by the way the thing that the uh one of the reasons that the police chief beat up

somebody was they like opened up his party bag in the Gilgo Beach killing, which was just a bag full of porn. You just had a bag full of porn and you beat the shit out of somebody for opening it. And then that was kicked off his whole cover-up thing. But yeah, I mean, one of my favorite movies as a kid, Die Hard, has a moment where Bruce Willis, it has multiple people just getting pulled.

When the terrorists come, they get pulled out of an office and they're like, a is topless and they're like in the middle of having sex and then like wow they're like that's not enough nudity when bruce willis is running away and like hiding from the terrorists he's going to see a naked woman i think it's like a magazine pinup and like on like out loud actively decide not to jack off during this terrorist situation he's like nah ladies i can't do it right now not right now like yeah it was just such a such a thing everyone was so horny it was just like popping through the surface right but you know i think there's also right, like we were talking about this, I think, yesterday about just how younger people are more informed now and they're much savvier. So they they sense bullshit a lot quicker than like I would as like a 13 thing that they're like looking for, because it feels like everything around them is just some weird fake vaporwave vaporware version of like real life. And like, so then they talk about to like for them. And I know, Jason, you talked about this, maybe one of the last times you came on was just how everyone's on TikTok.

And now all those kids that are on there, like this is actually the most authentic media platform for us, because I'd rather just see someone work their shift at McDonald's or something and share that versus some like, you know, we'll see if Hollywood gets that message where they're to engage in is like what if somebody had a gang of friends and that they they find that as a form of pornography because it's like this is something i can watch and imagine myself what if i had all of those friends you know i'll watch stranger things a show about loners and losers but this group of loners and losers have 11 friends right they could they could form an entire football team if they wanted yeah yeah and it's funny stranger things was listed as one of like their like top series for this group of people because again they despite the romantic tension that exists here and there they're like like, oh, yeah, we like that. That and The Summer I Turned Pretty was another one that got high marks from them. Is that not a I would have assumed that that was like a romantic bit, like a show about romances.

But it's just a show about friendships, basically. Well, you know, it's funny because it is about a love triangle. friendships basically well you know it's funny because it is about a love triangle oh okay it's i think because it's more talking about like i think for younger audiences they just like that it's like this high school thing that sort of feels like a crush triangle yeah yeah yeah yeah i i also think that the content that has been very popular for a while has already been reflecting this i think part of nolan's popularity is that he is an incredibly sexless director i've talked about that before like that oppenheimer was like his attempt to like make a sexy movie but like all those sex scenes were like very weird and felt alien and just isolated.

Or someone who has never been intimate with another person and didn't know how to portray them. Or just isn't comfortable with it. And I think that's also true of the superhero movies that were incredibly dominant for a long time. The Avengers movie, the one love relationship with Black Widow. Was it Black Widow hulk had a relationship at some point in there was i famously have not seen those movies maybe some some fan victor

victor came in with the facts producer victor yep it was them like they they had a graphic sex scene is that right oh no yeah you're right that is that's just the fan art that i yeah ordered it's the ai stuff you've been making yeah yeah but no but that that part also like jumped out to me it's like god this feels really weird and like forced so like i feel i feel like the art has also like been reflecting this for a while and people are just you know we're just now like catching up to it that like right people want content that doesn't have sex in it or like doesn't have this like sexuality or just the message that that's the most important thing or that's how people connect is like that they have to have sex so now the characters can like open up to each other or

something right now like versus yeah sometimes you can just like be friends with people because i feel for sure like you know like there's like so many men have like an inability to have like platonic relationships a lot of time with women i think a lot of that can be reinforced from like a lifetime where your adolescence like watching content that's like yeah the man and the woman have to get together yeah and that's those are the only options you're a failure otherwise right right she's taking advantage of you if she doesn't give you sex and if you are merely friends and you you are you're a dope you you're right and we're seeing that like metastasized into these other sort of like you know movements

or subcultures where it's sort of built on this like expectation like but this is what i've been sold for my whole life yeah and i like looking at 70s movies and 80s movies now like i find it a little weird how casually everyone was having sex with one another and that that was just like a way like it was like come on man why are you so uptight and like everybody i don't know like and i guess i kind of always did but i was just assuming that was like what it was like to be an adult but i yeah i do think it's interesting that like from that era of like the 70s we've gotten like less and less what some people would call progressive but like I don't know I feel

like this is a long continuum that's been happening and it's not just that like porn's everywhere now I think also things were like a little weird and like during the 70s like some of the I feel like the the male gaze was just like

so dominant that it like kind of got a little bit out of hand. Oh, yeah. Well, again, like I think it's just how the growth or the differences generationally. Like, again, these younger kids, they know more sooner and they know a lot more. And you look at 80s movies and stuff. It's like consent isn't even a concept that exists in those. It's more like, yo, that guy concept that exists in those it's more like yo that guy snuck in on those ladies changing and got to see boobs he's fucking cool and you're like

what the fuck is that what's that saying we're like you see because sometimes i've seen on tiktok where like younger people are like looking at these movies like what the fuck was wrong with you guys like what is this scene and you're like you, you're right. I don't know. Did you watch me changing, Cameron? That's okay. All right. Moving along. Ferris Bueller's death. It's like if the events of Revenge of the Nerds actually occurred, it would be an international

news story. They would be talking about it from the floor of Congress. Yeah. I just watched one of the movies in that New Beverly, Quentin Tarantino movie theater double feature was this like

Clint Eastwood police drama serial killer thing. He spends the movie investigating this serial killer who keeps killing sex workers in New Orleans, but also having sex with the sex workers in new orleans but like also having sex with the sex workers and it's clear that like the serial killer is targeting the ones

that he has sex with and he just like doesn't stop and there's not not really like consequences for it it's just like yeah well that's what a man does right he. He's like, but I killed the other guy, though. Right. And it's like, oh, OK. Yeah. Great lesson. Anyways, Jason Pargin, what a pleasure having you on the show, as always. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? So the book that is coming out in a few days is called Zoe is Too Drunk for This Dystopia. It is the third book in the Zoe Ash series.

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I am on TikTok at Jason K. Pargin. I have 330,000 followers on there now. Wow. Incredible. With that same username, I'm on most other platforms. If you're not on TikTok, I'm not saying you should or shouldn't be. That's just where the people are, it appears. It's just where the action is, baby.

And is there a work of media or a tweet that you've been enjoying? Yeah, I got this tweet here where a guy has said, this New Jersey rest stop has a virtual Bon Jovi. We live in an era of wonders and miracles. And it has a video clip of they have a full body screen slash hologram of a John Bon Jovi you can interact with as the ambassador of the state of New Jersey, I guess. And yeah, this is what technology has given us. Yeah. And he, the, it's a virtual John Bon Jovi in the sense of like how he's like standing awkwardly and like smiles at you and then like unfolds his arms and kind of gives you a head nod but like

doesn't really know what to do with his hand like it's it's exactly what john bon jovi would be doing if he was in a box there and they were like just hang out john bon jovi don't it's such a weird yeah they're just like this is we we have john bon jovi in a box life-size and uh this this is what it's like. How you doing, bro? You good? Yeah, exactly. You taking a poo? You doing a number one or number two?

All right, man. All right, then. Take care. Welcome to New Jersey. Yeah. New Garden State, my man. Miles, where can people find you? What's the work media you've been enjoying?

At Miles of Gray, wherever they got the at symbols. Find us on the basketball podcast. Miles and Jack got mad boosties. The NBA season kicked off. The Lakers are right back where they ended the last season losing to the nuggets. It was what site to see. And also find me on four 20 day fiance where I talk about 90 day fiance

and the good thief, which is true crime, but without killing talking about the Greek Robin hood, who was robbing the rich and giving it away uh a tweet i like is from at right w-r-y-o-t-e maybe it's ryoti and it's a graphic it says like i don't know if you've heard this story about the jabalinas that are like these pig-like animals that have been like fucking up golf courses in arizona and people are like why are they doing this it's like because you shouldn't have a fucking golf course in the desert asshole and they're looking for water and the tweet has like a nice info or like a graphic like a cartoon of the these animals like biting like breaking in

half golf clubs and it says no place for golf in the desert yeah i visit angeleno i very strongly believe that uh fuck these golf courses or make them parks for people to fucking enjoy Yes I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and I'm just getting word in the chat From Super Producer Catherine That I am completely fucking up the pronunciation Is actually Havalina Mr. Havalina, Mr. Bob Havalina

Okay, yes Tweets I've been enjoying, Ogarfinko Tweeted pretty wild that the Greeks Pioneered drama and went straight to guy killed his dad and slept with his mom completely skipping past dog can play sports and goofy neighbor.

And Eden Dranger tweeted don't don't mean to get political but big shout out to farts that sound like questions. Oh yeah. Those are those are always a good time. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.

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drumming is fantastic uh this track is called 12s in 8. A little reference, I believe, to the time signature of the song. But yeah, it's great drumming, great melodies, and easy, easy listening.

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