The Daily Zeitgeist - McDonald's Ice Cream Capitalism, The Post Rittenhouse Future (With Robert Evans) 11.29.21

Episode Date: November 29, 2021

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a production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into american shared consciousness and it is monday november 29th 2021 uh i didn't even look up what international day it is i think is that cyber monday do we call that cyber Monday? The day, the Monday after Black Friday? Yeah, Cyber Monday. That's what it is. It always sneaks up on me. You know. Out there lurking. A lot of people complain about how Cyber Monday celebrations start early and earlier every year, but

this year really snuck up on me, guys. But that's all we need to care about. It doesn't matter. You don't need to recognize anything other than Cyber Monday. Jeff Bezos uh you know created holiday anyways my name is jack o'brien aka mustache grow a mustache your phone can't id your face at all look like an unemployed cop it'll dominate all your Zoom calls. Chase Julia Roberts down the street. Make parents pull their kids near to their seat. When you've got a mustache, it's a Ted Lasso Borat joke.

An eye contact broke. Your wife won't like you time. That is courtesy of the past couple weeks of my life living with a mustache no how bad is your wife really though very like legitimately like i can sense that she likes me less uh and then um i pointed out and she's like yeah i do like that's that's accurate man you what about you look like a creep uh they're kind of over it they think yeah they still like me they because they don't have enough uh you know cultural uh experience to recognize what this mustache means and what it signifies about somebody i should actually be concerned that

they're not more alarmed by my mustache. They got to get to know. You want to watch out for this in the real world, kids. I should have changed my personality when I grew it. They're like, uh-oh. This is not a good thing.

Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined by a special guest co-host whose voice you've already heard she's a producer here at the iHeartRadio LA podcast studio helping to create shows like I don't know fake doctors real friends

and Scientology fair game with Leah Remini she's a fabulous writer who you can read at Vulture the AV Club Team Vogue Pace the Advocate all the ones a talented on mic podcaster's voice you can hear uh on fake doctors and pop culture happy hour all all that shit she is the brilliant and talented joelle monique aka the marvel defender aka your sister's best friend i will beat you up um hey that was such a lovely introduction i'm happy to do my resume for me so i don't have to do it yeah not always um

wait so why why would you beat somebody up you like the the two just your sister's best friend should be able to beat you and any other man that comes anywhere near her up like just okay all times just be prepared to beat up a man okay hopefully you never have to use your powers but yeah should the need arise i'm prepared well joelle not only am i uh so fortunate and blessed to be joined by you as a guest co-host uh we are thrilled to be joined uh by one of the very faces on mount Zypemore. He co-hosts the podcast, The Worst Idea of All Time. He's just one of the funniest stand-up comics doing it. One of your favorites, one of our favorites, one of our favorites,

the hilarious and talented Guy Montgomery! Oh, my word. Thank you so much, Jack and Joelle, as always. An honor to be here. Very difficult to sit through a minute-long diatribe against mustaches when I don't rock just a seasonal mustache. I've spent a lot of my adult life wearing a mustache. I didn't realize that I was in some sort of subset of society. realize that i was in some sort of subset of society it's all about it's all about the like the particulars on the mustache right like you look you look great with a mustache it works with your complexion my my mustache is uh very dark and uh on on yeah it just it's it's rude it's intrus live and rude i i first grew this because i couldn't grow a mustache for a long time and i grew this um when i started doing

stand-up comedy because i thought um people look funnier with a mustache it's true it's true yeah and then this year i so i had it for several years and this year as a gift to my mom, who I was with for New Year's Eve, I shaved off my mustache. And I said, Mom, I'm not going to have a mustache all year because moms hate mustaches. What? I'm learning so much today. Why does your mom? I understand why ladies are very particular about their guys' facial hair, okay? They have to kiss it.

It's a lot. But why is your mom like no on the mustache my mom and i are big on open mouth kissing and so she hates the way it feels no it's um it's because i think she wants me to still be her little boy and the mustache represents the grown-ass man that it destroys the illusion for her i get it i get it i'm just thinking maybe perhaps kids aren't afraid of the mustache now because like for us the children it like represented like perverts we were like mustaches are weird creepy guys in the backs of the blockbusters don't go back there it's weird uh i think kids now associated with robert downey

jr and iron man and they're like that guy's as hell. He's a billionaire and a playboy and a philanthropist. He's got everything. He's totally ready. Robert Downey Jr. has single-handedly changed the face of mustaches for children. But he's got a goatee, doesn't he? He's not just straight up mustachioed. It's the exact same combo as you have in Sherlock Holmes. It's just mustache, little soul patch underneath.

I'm also interested, Jake, because i think a mustache is okay but i think that that little goatee you've got beneath your bottom lip is the problem is borderline excusable do you not think that perhaps if you lost that part of your facial hair that your your wife might um forgive some of you know some of your decisions through november i don't think so i don't think so but i also it means enough to me to you know, I only get to wear a mustache once in my life, I think. So I'm gonna, I've

always wanted to look like Val Kilmer in Tombstone. Instead, I don't look like that, but you know, it was a valiant effort. So I'm gonna give it a shot. Yeah, I think it's very becoming on you. And I've also got got to ask did you self-write that um that intro that jaunty intro tune i did yeah yeah i did this morning um good on you man hey

i've i've had a lot of material because literally every uh zoom call every work call every uh conversation that i have with somebody starts with 15 minutes of them talking about how i look like julia roberts's uh dangerous ex-husband and sleeping with the enemy uh how yeah so it's it's planned and also just a month of not being able to open my phone with my face i i think you look like a hot little piece of ass so um when you put that in your next song that's kind uh i appreciate that all right guy well as you know uh we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment um but first we're gonna tell our listeners just a couple of things we're talking about uh we're going to have a special guest robert evans join i've been wanting to hear his thoughts on the written house verdict and just where we're at

with regards to the possibility of a second american civil war um and you know just fun stuff like that um and also i'm just like i feel like for for whatever even before uh rittenhouse went and met with trump at mar-a-lago uh at the end of last week uh i was like this somehow helps trump i feel like and now i don't know i just i feel like he's gonna get re-elected i've felt that way for a while so i'm very worried about that guys there more space over there where you are i hear it's lovely right oh yeah we got i think per cabin we got too much space you can barely move for free space also true of america america has like one of the lowest population densities of any uh country but they they pretend like ah we're running out we're full there's no more space here i drove through middle once, and there was nothing but space.

Yeah, there's nothing there. I feel like the middle is where people lose their minds because they're too far away from the sea. I think if you get too far away from the sea for too long, you kind of lose perspective. For me, it was not being able to order 4 a.m. Thai. That's really why I had to leave the middle space. You need to be able to get Thai food any time of the night night or what is the point of living yeah it's not there fair enough um we're going to talk about fentanyl fear-mongering going on it has expanded to uh weed the the u.s police are are letting people know you gotta you gotta be careful because because the drug dealers are spraying the weed with fentanyl.

And as far as we can tell, that's not true. So we're going to talk about that. We are going to revisit McDonald's ice cream machine because that saga has continued to unfold and continued to be a better and better metaphor for just how American capitalism actually works. All the important stories at Daily Zeitgeist today. Yes. All of them. Well, actually, Joelle, it is a metaphor for the military-industrial complex. I will have you know.

I can't wait to oscillate between really lighthearted and silly stuff, but then also quite grave and serious stuff. Right. Like the McDonald's ice cream machine. Yeah. We're going to get to some of that stuff, maybe more. But before we get to any of it, Guy, we do like to ask our guests, what's something from your search history?

So I recently was researching the, I think her name is Paula Cole. Yeah. She had that song, Where Have All the Cowboys Gone? Yeah. Oh, classic. Yeah. And I was trying to be funny in conversation with my girlfriend, so I Googled, Where Have All the Cowboys Actually Gone? You know, wanting to know where these cowboys have gone.

And through that, I found this incredible, like, near the top of the Google hit on there, I found this incredible, like, 10-year-old Reddit post where the title is, Where Have All The Cowboys Gone? Feminism Killed Them. Oh, no. And it's this, like, ancient screed written by some disgruntled internet user. I didn't actually find out where the where the true cowboys have gone perhaps like you joelle they've moved somewhere where they have access to thai food around the clock no they're still out there oklahoma teaching kids how to

ride bulls by first having them ride sheep they're working hard keeping the lifestyle alive the twitter account that posted it is called pro woman anti-feminist and it's just like a disaster of sort of um pseudo attempted pseudo-intellectual you know scribblings where it says um paula cole captures the cognitive dissonance when a woman's primal nature clashes with a modern woman's feminist indoctrination it's like a comedy essay i'm assuming she did not intend to uh like you know make a men's rights activist i think the issue with creating art is once you put it out in the world it's not really yours anymore and you don't get to choose who likes it or how they interact with it and um you know she just wrote a jaunty tune yes a sad tune it starts as a love story and it ends

um they don't end up so happy together i know he leaves the nerve of this guy to leave fucking cowboys man they always do they always break your heart um that's why i always tell uh mamas not to raise their sons to grow up to be them um i've said that from day one all right guy what is something you think is overrated overrated i've been opening some of these recently and i guess what do you do you read them do you look at them pop up books pop up books you know those books the books where the stuff pops up out of the middle? Yeah. Nah, man. Overrated. Overrated.

What are you? Where has your sense of childhood joy gone, guy? We just turned the page at all? It's three-dimensional art just flung into my eyes. I feel like they're authors who are trying to make movies, but they're not quite there yet. Pick a team. Yeah.

What are you know they are very enjoyable to children but i think for the reason that they are the closest books come to being toys and so that yeah okay listen no what imagination and joy in between two hardcovers very pro book over here when the art is actually lifted off the page and sometimes they have little pull tabs you know and there's other things behind the thing guys I didn't say a single bad thing about those pull tabs

the pull tabs are incredible but you know if you want to make a movie, make a movie. Yeah. Or say he's pop-up book. So violent. Clues behind every tab. I love it.

They're also getting better. That is one thing that I have noticed has been improved upon since i was a youngster when a pop-up book consisted of like a cut out of whatever would have been drawn there and just like you open it and it like kind of moves forward slightly like they have gotten pretty uh elaborate with the with the uh sort of a kinetic origami is what I'll call it, guys. Absolutely. It's poetry in motion. The pop-up book industrial complex will not go down without a fight. They're using higher grade cardboard. They have more resilient pop-outs now

because they've seen what children are doing to these pop-outs and they've said, how can we counter that? It's admirable. You have to watch out for big pop-up. Yeah've said how can we counter that it's admirable yeah i'm against them what is something you think is underrated well i say i'm in auckland new zealand and we are actually we've just celebrated our 100th day of our lockdown so it's obviously a huge accomplishment in and of itself but it does come with missing, you're both making quite, you're sort of scrunching up your faces. A hundred days. Yeah. Three months. Do you guys know when you're getting out? This feels like if I were in

prison for life and someone's like, man, I got five months in here, but we made it through the first three, we're good. I'd be like, fuck you. No, we're almost out. And it's um you know it's been a long time but it's done its job but i miss um socializing you'll be shocked to hear one of the things i'm looking forward to which i think is underrated is getting into a car with um four adult getting like five grown-ups in a car because technically a car is designed to accommodate five grown-ups, but as soon as you do it,

you know they never thought it would actually happen. Instantly regrettable every time. Yeah. And there's something I like about that. There's a camaraderie. Yeah. And like, you know, being in the middle and the back and you think there's not enough space back here right i just want to i just want to feel the experience of socializing i guess is

what i'm saying maybe maybe i think socializing is underrated but mainly it's the just being like crushed into a uh into a moving vehicle i feel like and this might you know we're rounding into summer here and I'm getting excited and I'm getting ahead of myself. But there's something about like if I get into a car with four other adults, it's usually because we're going somewhere exciting or a little bit you know, it's a little bit hard to get to or a little bit far away. And I want that feeling. Listen, I respect it. I went bowling for the first time in 15 years, two weeks ago, but it was also the first time I saw more than two friends in their house

who were trying to socially distance and be respectful and not kill each other. And it was wonderful. We got drinks. There was pizza involved. It was pretty close to heaven after being trapped in my house. We had a work meeting in person the other day guys it's mind-blowing i was there we had an office talking to each other drawing on walls who knew life was this glorious i really feel like the pandemic has given me a new lease on life

in that like i just really want to appreciate every day i don't have to be inside of my house yeah yeah that was great that was great just like jo, you weren't here for this, but Guy was just lording it over us for all this time. Oh, wow. While we were in America as the United States was crumbling around us and we weren't allowed out of the house, Guy was like, yeah, I just went to a sporting event and it was wonderful and freeing. How's it going over there, though? Even though we had just talked for 15 minutes about how's it going over there though even though we had just talked for 15 minutes about how it's going over here guy disappointing that's okay you know i'm i'm i'm a centurion now so we i've experienced some of those liberties and now i also have that i guess

the sense of participation and accomplishment that comes with being in your house for a very long time. You basically spent summer break grounded. And while I respect the hard time you have done, we're quickly approaching year three. It's so long in this damn house. I know. This is what I say. I say, am I the only one with the novel coronavirus? Am I the only one of us who thinks the novelty has well and truly worn off?

I mean, that's good material right there. Yeah. I think I have a booster coming up. Yeah. That's exciting. You've got to get those boosters. Right? Am I right?

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I am seeing Jack's mustache for the first time here. Hey! Welcome to the conversation, Robert! Yeah! Well, this is exciting. I didn't expect this. Christmas came early this year. Hell yeah.

Since the Rittenhouse verdict came in and I saw a cryptic tweet from you saying, be careful what you post on social media today. I've been wanting to just kind of overall get your thoughts on where this puts us. Yeah. Because it does seem, you know, you've been in the shit. You were on the streets in Portland

during a lot of the violence that happened there during the, you know, protests. Oh, yeah. Had a lot of guys pointing guns at me in the wake of the Rittenhouse, the initial shooting. Because when that happened, every right-winger in the wake of the Rittenhouse the initial shooting because when that happened every right winger in the northwest decided

it's time to show up in a crowded city at a protest with a big old gun and see if I might get a chance to shoot somebody it was a fun couple of weeks so with all that being said what are your thoughts on where we are

like in the context of like violence and you know jack i i think it's the dawning of an of an era of good feelings i think i think things are fine um people seem to like each other more than ever um i feel like we're all getting on the same page about some important issues uh we really have built back better in summation. Great. Well, it's been great having you, Robert. Thank you for joining us. I just wanted to make sure.

As someone who's not in America, I'd like to co-sign that. That's certainly the perspective we're getting from down here in New Zealand. Just a functional-ass country right here. Yeah. No, I mean, this is a pretty dangerous time, Jack. I spend about 80% of my time doing podcasts and about 20% of it actually doing journalism. And most of my journalism focuses on the far right. And folks who followed it will know that in 2019, I was writing and doing media appearances constantly about 8chan and like the Christchurch shooting and the shootings that followed in the wake of that that were all spawned from that website.

and like the Christchurch shooting and the shootings that followed in the wake of that that were all spawned from that website. And so the community that I was following at the time, the rhetoric that I saw in that community, which was mostly groups of a few hundred, sometimes a few thousand like neo-Nazis spreading propaganda, that kind of propaganda that I had to like go to places like 8chan or other weird little corners of the internet to find um tucker carlson's saying it right the the christchurch mass shooters manifesto was the great replacement carlson did like a whole two episode series on um how white people are being replaced although he didn't quite use those but that was the the gist of it that like democrats are bringing in non-white

people to replace the original members of the voters so yeah it was like a demographic voting yeah like he was just couching it in like uh i'm just a political analyst here yeah the thing but it was straight up like nazi propaganda so that's larger and one of the consequences of j6 is you know when social media apps threw a lot of people off of their services um and just you know other people left because they'd seen their favorite right-wing thought leader get banned for suggesting the people be murdered um they all wound up in places like telegram which is um in the united states primarily is used by nazis so you're seeing the the more mainstreaming of these like kind of violently extremist

perspectives did you follow the written house like trial what were your thoughts on like were you surprised by how it played out well no i and i i think one of the silliest things has been kind of the glenn greenwald substack contingent trying to like press stories that like the media got the written house if you're surprised about the written house verdict it's because you're in a media bubble like nobody's surprised we're like yeah he's a white kid with millions of dollars to spend on his legal defense uh he's probably gonna get off like it's a small town jerry you know um yeah i think he'll be fine and he was fine judge really i the only thing that i was surprised by was how like openly friendly the judge was like uh yeah it's pretty bad yeah but

okay so that's we've already covered that but yeah so yeah i guess what what's your best guess as like what the immediate future looks like and how are you feeling about a second american civil war which is something you've been warning was a danger for a number of years. And now people are like, wait a second, Robert wasn't just joking. I mean, we're definitely experiencing a kind of low intensity insurgency. And you're seeing this on the ground in like school board meetings and kind of some of the early attempts to take over and stop vote counting processes earlier this year in a lot of these like attacks on school boards, like threats against parents and school board members.

You're seeing death threats against election officials. And as of yet, the actual level of deadly violence, there's been a lot of non-deadly. There's constant street fights every week in this country, often at like local government meetings. It's happening constantly. Los Angeles is a hotspot in particular. But more to the point, I think you are seeing an escalation of rhetoric around deadly violence. And the Rittenhouse verdict had a definite impact on that, on like kind of the far right

side of things, like the people who are happy wearing swastikas. They're putting him in memes with like where they're sainting him and putting like a little swastika halo around his head like they do with all the mass shooters like they do with um oh what's his name dylan roof and the like um and most of that ironic commentary like critique they're so no not a critique but like they're so irony poisoned that you can't ever say anything they say is entirely serious. You know, like it's this mix of things because they'll also like call him cucked or whatever for for saying that he supports BLM. Like you have to you have to like these people are capable of holding totally ironic and totally sincere beliefs about the same thing. And so you have to accept that and assume that like just because they're joking about shooting people doesn't mean they don't also want to shoot people or have people get shot. Right.

Like it's this if you looked at I'm sure if you looked at a lot of stuff Brenton Tarrant had posted online before he killed 50 people, you would have been like, well, this is just like a guy shit talking. But anyway, I what's what worries me is that the shit talking about killing other people has spread. is that the shit talking about killing other people has spread. I'm seeing the channels I'm seeing where people are talking about showing up with guns at protests and killing people or just plain killing liberals and leftists. The channels where people are discussing that are 10 to 50 times larger than they were this time a year ago. Channels that I would see like three or 4,000 people talking about murdering the left, stacking bodies like cordwood.

Now there's like 55,000 people following. And like it's that that concerns me. The the amount of I'm sure the signal to noise ratio has also gotten worse. Like I'm sure there's a lot more people talking about killing their political enemies and a lot higher percentage of the people who talk about that are full of shit but also the rhetoric itself has and it makes it more likely because there's there's always x number of people out there who are un you know in at such a point in their life or or are the kind of person who if they if they see that it's kind of like how if you're you've got like a family member who's a little bit racist, but they never talked about it openly until like Facebook. And then they see some article that says the racist thing that they've always thought and they share it on Facebook. Well, someone else said it. So now I can share it right now. Like it's safe for me to express this racist thing I've always believed. Like that same thing exists for wanting to murder people.

thing i've always believed like that that same thing exists for wanting to murder people um and some percentage of the people who get exposed to that rhetoric will actually go out and commit murder and every time that happens it ratchets up the temperature it increases the odds that someone on the left will kill someone on the right which obviously as we saw last year when um jay danielson the the trump supporter was shot dead in portland like things went bug fucked for a while um they had to send in the u.s marshals to murder that guy to try and like it was this it's just this um the guy who shot the trump supporter yeah it's this self-escalating cycle and we keep spinning up and spinning up and spinning up and at the same time as like i think rittenhouse raises the temperature. I think this verdict raises the temperature.

I'm not sure that a guilty verdict would have lowered it, though. Like, I don't know if giving them a martyr is worse for overall levels of violence. Like, I think once he started pulling his trigger in Kenosha that night, both like potential outcomes of the court case were had equal potentials to incite violence i i honestly think that like not that's not me saying i don't think a conviction would have been justified i'm just saying like i don't know that it would have made a difference from like a inspiring additional acts of violence standpoint but that's a super dangerous place to be because the the people who are talking about committing these violent acts and you know on the teetering on the edge of doing that they see that risk reward you know they see the same thing you're seeing they see that

their two outcomes are likely either they get away with it or they become a martyr and you know become a national hero so like that yeah it just seems like the incentive system is really not there to prevent more of this shit happening it is and one of the things that worries me that i think there's a good chance we'll see at some point um if rittenhouse had gotten convicted um he could not have been pardoned because they were not federal charges uh but i suspect that as we gear up for 2024 republican presidential candidates are going to be falling over themselves to pardon J6, like convictees, like people who were in prison for their actions on January 6th. And I suspect the next time there's a murder like this, if there's a conviction or even the threat of a conviction on federal charges, it's going to be – there's going to be a campaign on the right to pardon people for committing acts of violence like that. And that, I think that's kind of the next stage when you actually get a right-wing government in power again, and they turn the kind of legal

apparati that exist into making, providing the legal justifications and niceties for a campaign of political extermination. That's something that worries me a lot. I almost regret the framing of civil war. I think it's useful. And that's the reason I did it in terms of getting people to understand the potential consequences, the real actual potential body count of the kind of conflict we're going to see. It's less about a kind of armed insurgency in the hills necessarily than it is about, or at least I think that's less likely almost than a situation in which you have two sides shooting the shit out of each other and one of those sides has the backing of the government to commit atrocities, you know, like that you get

something like that or you get a bunch of different conflicts like that and different police departments and federal agencies like backing different groups, which you've had versions of since forever. You look at the – which just came out about the assassination of Malcolm X, right, who was killed by FBI informants and who the fuck knows what the actual situation is there. actual situation is there, but you've always had law enforcement groups like who have been willing to use kind of paramilitary methods within the United States to destroy political opponents. I think that that's kind of what I'm worried about is the next stage of this. And obviously, that can escalate. Like, I think it's a long road to the kind of violence we see in Afghanistan, but it's also like the the route on the road to that point is bloody enough as it is even if you never quite get there there's a lot

of blood in between here in kabul you know i feel like the mainstream assumption and then i'm gonna let joelle and guy say anything uh sorry to dominate but like i just the i i feel like the centrist sort of mainstream assumption is that the right is always going to be the outside like insurgency kind of in that insurgency position and there's just such a long history of violent right-wing killing of people on the left that is you know condoned and or sponsored by yeah the greensboro massacre back in i think it was the 70s yeah right also just to your point about the groups of people like online saying that they want to stack the bodies of people on the left growing exponentially are you seeing the same growth of people on the left like it feels like the left hasn't really grown with it because they're in sort of a weird political situation

where like the person in office is supposed to be somebody that is on their side and when they point out no he's actually not doing shit it's like god you guys just can't consolidate around a single message so i just feel like the left is staying the same size while the right and right-wing violence is like having this upsurge i will say i have seen a significant rise equal to the rise on the right in extremist left-wing rhetoric but that doesn't all extremism is not created equal it is extreme to say i think we should end capitalism overthrow overthrow the police entirely, redistribute all of the money of the billionaires, and destroy the oil and gas industry and institute a radical regime of ecological repair. That's an extreme political attitude, right?

I have seen that increase. I've seen a variety of – including like stuff like state communism and all sorts of of a whole bunch of different radical left wing ideologies have gotten more popular, including some that that are like like that approve of murdering people. Right. The amount of I've seen increased rhetoric talking about killing people on the left is a fraction of what I've seen on the right because left-wing extremist ideology is less likely to talk about killing people, right? There are radical left-wing strains of ideology that want to stack bodies, you know? But as a percentage of radical left-wing thought, it's lower than the percentage of radical right-wing thought that wants to stack bodies. Because when you get right down to it, at the extreme end of the right, that's all they actually believe in is killing people, right? Like that is the furthest right ideology is all about groups of people need to be eliminated, you know? And whereas the kind of willingness to kill people in radical left-wing ideology often comes alongside another specific sort of goal or is a byproduct.

Like you look at most of the people killed under communist regimes. It wasn't people being shot in the street. It was like starvation because of terrible economic and agricultural policy. So I definitely – we're living – every kind of extremism is more common now than it was five years ago. We're living, every kind of extremism is more common now than it was five years ago. But I don't think, the jump of people talking about stacking bodies on the left, it's happened, but it has not been nearly to the same kind of extent as I've seen on the right. Joel, Guy, any questions for Robert?

Anything to just add from your own perspectives? No, I'm black, so i had to tune out uh i can't i can no longer engage with sad white boys being like i didn't mean to shoot people well yeah i mean fuck him right but like it's i mean it's truly yeah and to a much more aggressive extent fuck anybody who a buys into this shit or b is like just leafily elated at this shit like i just don't have the energy or time to invest in what has always been right i feel like there's a lot of people out here who are like just miss me with the faux shock he got off how what does it mean about what do you mean i just like i can't i can no longer engage in in actively watching white supremacy and like

grateful to people like robert out there who are like fuck no not on my watch like i would call it out i'm gonna make sure that it's in people's faces and that you can't avoid it because there are a lot of people who just want to pretend it doesn't exist. But I am fully aware. And for my mental health, I've had to just take a large step back from that. And like, really, my new goals for probably the next three years is like, let me focus on what I can do. I can't solve a lot of big problems. I have ADD.

My focus is everywhere. I can't solve a lot of big problems. I have ADD. My focus is everywhere. I can give it to people just outside of my circle, trying to do really positive things with their life and their time. Like small self-promotion. We've got a program. Anna started it.

Lovely producer of this podcast. It's called Next Up. It is one of those beautiful things ever, ever to happen in my life. Like we have kids trying to preserve their native languages and we have this young woman who so eloquently speaks about her the assaults that have happened to her and how she's using all of the terrible shit she's been through to to be a victim's advocate in her own life we have people trying to rediscover lost history like that's that's where i want to focus my energy and i think for a lot of us that are like i'm firmly on the left i would like to see a lot of radical politics happen i'm hopefully you know trying to support and engage with the

people trying to make that happen but i just want to work and operate my own little circles and try to make life better for those people as best i can yeah and i i think that makes total sense and i think part of what you're getting at if i'm not mistaken is the idea that like when it comes to like paying attention to the right people like rittenhouse and also just like kind of the thought leaders and stuff it's not about like fuck doing that to dunk on them or to argue with them or to make a case as to why they're illegitimate. Like you shouldn't have to do that. Number one, the only case you need to make is for the things you know are necessary for

the things that you like, believe in and want. And number two, the only reason to pay attention to them is the same reason you would pay attention if there were a rattlesnake three feet away from you. Yeah. You're paying attention to know where they are so that you can defend yourself and your community from them. You're not paying attention with them to like dunk on them or give them fuel for their fire like i really think they just thrive so i'm like oh let's do an interview call britain house he says black lives matter what does that mean it doesn't mean shit it does not

mean shit to me or anyone else like get out of here nobody cares please go away little boy like you got so lucky i think what irks me most about cal rittenhouse is like you were so blessed and lucky like you murdered people and now the government is like go ahead dude go around with your life it's fine go live that life so far away from us like it's just exhausting and it's the it's so frustrating because i have to believe just from a point of moral consistency that that any 17-year-old in his position should get another chance to be a human being and have a life because he's a child. He's an abolitionist. I don't even want him to run.

People are like, throw him in the basement of the cell. Like, no. What does that do for anybody? But I do want you to be held accountable. Yeah. I don't give a shit if he says like yeah i support black lives matter if 20 years from now he says you know what i regret everything i made terrible mistakes i was a brainwash and i'll be like okay good like you i'm glad you've proved that people can change um

but i don't care i can't imagine number one i don't think any of us should care what uh a like he doesn't have any insight into anything um other than how to be rich in the criminal justice system like to be honest like he's as useless for for information on the criminal justice system as like fucking oj was in 95 like yeah you're a guy who had unlimited money for lawyers and so you got off yeah right like that's how it works from the daily zeitgeist perspective we're not right wing watch it's not like as much as possible i try to avoid like seeking out right wing you know perspectives right like what they're doing on the right i'm mainly concerned with the way that i'm seeing that perspective yeah infiltrate the mainstream media so like i feel like we're more mainstream media watch and it's becoming more and more common

like the window is moving in in that direction in a lot of ways yeah there's also a new yorker article that a lot of people are pointing to being like this is a great like profile it's called kyle rittenhouse american vigilante he tries to like be very even-handed and like the reporter like follows his family around and it's a very sympathetic portrait of he and his family that article also quotes him and takes him at his word that he's uh supportive of black lives matter or that his family is uh and that he didn't know what he was doing when he was throwing up white power hand signals in a picture with proud boys and it's so fucking bleak that I think one of the overwhelming lessons of the last four or five years

is that the concept of journalism has overwhelmingly failed. It is a failure of an institution, a failure of an industry, a failure of a discipline on a profound and almost incomprehensible scale. It didn't start five years ago. You can go back to the 70s, the 80s, read about stuff like the CIA basically dictating press releases to the New York Times about regime change in Guatemala and Chile. in Guatemala and Chile. But it's just, it's this idea that like a lot of,

it's a beautiful idea that there would be a fifth estate that has as powerful as another branch of the government but exists purely to check its power and is completely independent. But that's nothing but like a load of horseshit. And profiles like that make that point because as long as you can be sympathetic to a journalist who believes more than anything that they should not be biased, that like the most important thing in the world is that nobody called them biased, like that is always going to be the result of that shit. It's why we get all of these like fawning pro-Nazi articles. It's why we humanize people like Trump. It's why we tried to humanize.

It's why Hitler got humanized by the fucking New York Times and everybody else when he was rising to power. It's because these people desperately believe there have to be two sides to every person. And because they're dumb and they're hacks and that a New Yorker writer is a dumb hack, they mistake being fair and empathetic. And you can and should be empathetic about the case of Kyle Rittenhouse because it's a tragedy. It's a tragedy for the people he killed. It's a tragedy for the community. And it's a tragedy for him as an individual because like he has destroyed any chance of ever having a life or being a real person. And it's a tragedy that there's a lot to say about the United States, about the way boys grow up here, about gun culture, about just the general worship of violence in our society, about right-wing media, about social media in general.

And yes, about like the left-wing media and protest. There's a lot in this story that a good journalist, and some of that will involve being empathetic. You can't just approach Kyle Rittenhouse as if he's the devil, because he's not. He's a kid who made a decision that he thought was justifiable. And I think in his head, it was a mix of wanting to be a hero and wanting to be a man and being a man by killing people. And that's a compelling emotional story but if you're just a hack and a fraud uh the only way to make something compelling is to pretend there's as much good in someone's actions as there was bad like that's what even-handed means to hacks and so

you don't get i don't know you don't get a lot of good journalism these days. And to your point, Robert, like that same ideology of like, we have to be even handed and fair is keeping a lot of people who have an otherism within their livelihood, whether that's race, whether it's gender identity, whether it's, you know, sexuality, whatever the case may be from being in these rooms. And we saw a lot of that with Nicole Hannah Jones of just like, the chick is so on top of her game and it's still constantly like oh well you can't put your prejudice because you're black how could you ever report about slavery what if you have if you had a black journalist report on a black lives matter protest or on police violence against

the black community that's a conflict of interest that's bias so let's just have another white dude do it oh my gosh it's so it's so upsetting to have so many friends who have actually studied journalism who are trying to do it ethically be kept out of these rooms or kept at a a pay rate where they cannot live a full life and just constantly be told either you're not good enough you haven't done enough studies and or your position in life instantly makes you prejudiced and unable to evenly report on almost anything that has to do with your livelihood it is just it's an it's an insane place to sort of stand in the middle of me like we could really use some great journalism now and the best that we have is typically people who are unverified. We're just hoping that these folks on the ground have enough knowledge, have actually done the research, have enough training to do it because we can no longer trust the institutions that have been around.

Yeah. The most influential piece of journalism last year, and to their mild credit, the Pulitzers recognize this, was the young woman who took a video of George Floyd getting murdered like that that was the that was more impactful than every article the New York Times wrote that year put together and it was impactful it wasn't less good journalism because she looked at what was happening was like well this is wrong

yeah right yeah all right I figured this would happen I like bring you on and then ask you an hour's worth of questions and then just like all right well that was an act of the podcast but thank you for joining us i'm sure we'll you know continue this conversation i'm sure you'll be continuing it on uh your podcasts behind the bastards and it could happen here. That's, that's very true, Jack. All right,

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But in my experience, it's been... It's 100. Yeah, it's like usually they're out of order. McDonald's is a myth. Yeah. How often are you guys getting your ice cream from McDonald's? If you ever had a McFlurry, you would understand, okay? It's got the corn Oreos in it.

It's all so good, guy. It's amazing. Wait, do other places serve ice cream is that yeah man we got we got ice cream shops down here sorry I'm American over here that's it in what I have to imagine if anybody could please leak the pitch dock for the sale of these machines like the signing of the deal i i have to imagine it rivals the pepsi logo redesign like for just like bullshit capitalism like buzzwords but they've signed a contract to buy all their ice cream machines from one company called taylor taylor

outfitted those ice cream machines with a proprietary computerized interface. So the machines that they bought from this company, like, promptly didn't work for shit. McDonald's had to start spending money every time one broke down to pay said company to fix them since they had this proprietary computerized interface that, nobody else knew how to operate the company was making 25 of their revenue uh off of just repairing mcdonald's ice cream machines like from not just their yeah not just their mcdonald's revenue like all their revenue across the whole company like a quarter was just repairing their own i just want to pause the story here because i feel like this is going to be anti-taylor but if you sell if you manage to sell a contract

for your soft serve machines to mcdonald's right hats off right furthermore if you know that those are faulty machines you're the only person who can fix them, you got got, McDonald's. I'm sorry. You had a good run. Has Lacey Mosley done this scam story yet? I'm literally about to tweet it at her because this is the greatest scam in history. And I think if McDonald's PR was intelligent,

they'll be like, listen, we really want to pay our employees more. We would. But our ice cream machine is already, but it's Taylor's fault. Okay. If Taylor fixes our ice cream machine permanently everyone gets two dollars an hour and then more people go back to mcdonald's i feel i'm really seeing the dominoes here so the problem with that is that the people who signed the deal with taylor in the first place which was a stupid fucking deal obviously like uh they still work for mcdonald's presumably that's a

matter of perspective right it's a bad deal bad deal for mcdonald's they still work for mcdonald's and therefore they don't want to admit it was a bad deal so they just double down on this relationship a company named uh kitch k-y-t-c-H. Great company name. Yes. This story's just good at all. Yes. Kitch came through and started making essentially a game genie. I don't know if you guys are old-timey gamers, but this was a thing you could plug into Sega and Nintendo, and it would just make it so you had unlimited lives

and the rules basically didn't apply to you like they made a game genie for the uh for the mcdonald's ice cream machines uh that basically allowed people who worked at mcdonald's to work the ice cream machines without calling taylor uh to come through and like do the do the okay okay again my inclination is to side with taylor here not unlike i would side with nintendo or sega if you you know you're only cheating yourself if you get infinity lives you're not learning any lessons when you're gaming right and if you want to pull an ice cream you shouldn't be able to do that easy if you if you're operating these machines it sounds like it should be a challenge i have a theory that taylor is somehow involved with kitch and because

i understand that capitalism is all about tricking people into giving you more money and frequently people will create shell companies to be like i know look this one right here it's so good like we've got you covered from all sides you can't escape our business prowess well they were uh involved with them in the sense that they took kitch's invention like basically reverse engineered it and then like put kitch out of order by getting mcdonald's to send a company-wide like memo being like never use the kitch thing ever which again so mcdonald's is on taylor's side because they you know signed the deal together that was a bad deal and not efficient and you know the the people who are suffering here unfortunately are not the people who signed that deal in the first place it's the employees who are having to

work this broken fucking ice cream machine that doesn't work and had to like that were reduced to like going on the black market to find a game genie for their ice cream machine like that's how much it ruined their job i i i smell an opportunity for jack o'brien soft serve king yes you get a small documentary crew you travel across america and you help out these employees by showing them good soft serve technique yes so the documents i get the feeling it has little to do with their not having good technique which i i am a little bit like when i get a mcdonald's soft serve i'm like call that a fucking cone are we are we serious you don't like the little baby like four inch tiny little cones

no it's fine joe it's fine it's just it could be better um when it's working but so basically the documents have revealed taylor was sending emails being like we gotta make one as good as kitsch like kitsch is eating our lunch and just, like, basically openly copying their thing while trying to put them out of business. It's, like, anti-competitive. And this Wired article just makes a good point that this is essentially... Actually, it's a quote from one of the Kitsch employees,

I think Kitsch founders, who said, you might compare this to the f-35 it's like does lockheed really want to finish this airplane or do they want another 100 million dollar contract to fix some component on the old one it's like that is the truth about how money is mostly spent in the economy in the american economy is it's like all these you know back door deals and like people covering their own ass for making a stupid decision that then affects people who you know had nothing to do with the decision and have to like you know work with this on a daily basis is it is there a parallel to theranos where it's like we got this great thing and you tell everyone and you sell it to them and then people go it's not quite working and you're

like you're right but what we need is a little bit more seed money and then we're gonna get this thing working so good you're not gonna freaking believe it and then you just see how long you can stretch the lie for right you know when you're a kid and you assume that adults are across everything yeah this is just that it's like you assume you know everyone knows how everything works but everyone's an idiot yeah it's all just yeah it's i want to help mcdonald's out here not because of a deep affinity of love for mcdonald's or anything but just because like what if you guys and and hear me out, just stop selling ice cream? You know, once the machine's broken, we're just not going to use it anymore,

and we're not going to buy anymore, and it's going to be fine. What percentage of ice cream sales does McDonald's, like, really hold? Because it's like a dollar for a cone. I just really feel like they can go without and then once that taylor contract expires they could just be like okay now we're gonna pivot and i don't know like it's not gonna do with ben and jerry's okay it's really gonna just upgrade you could sell it for more money more people are gonna come through there's gotta be a solution here that doesn't involve you i just don't like when people get screwed with it really hurts my feelings i feel like why are we doing this why more than that i hate wasting money i don't understand how like so much money has been wasted so many valuable man

hours what are we doing i don't understand anything i feel like as soon as that taylor contract expires there'll be a new sales rep from a hot new company called tyler who shows up with a mustache yeah i understand you had trouble with some ice cream machines. I just spent an hour and a half food shopping at my local Kroger late last night. And it's because they completely reshuffled where everything is in the Kroger. Yep, that's a good tactic.

And I got to the you know checkout and as i got to the checkout a armed security guard came in looking for a bottle of liquor and asked uh asked the uh person who was checking me out like where i was and he was like used to be in like six but i honestly like don't know where the fuck anything is anymore and then we just had a good a nice little like five minute complain about like honestly like don't know where the fuck anything is anymore and then we just had a good a nice little like five minute complaint about like how we don't understand why they do it and he was like yeah i mean it's you know somebody who gets paid way more than me decided to do this and doesn't have to deal with this shit at all well the thing is to make it more difficult for you to

shop like it's a very specific tactic because if you know where everything is you can go in and grab what you want and get out but if you don't know where everything is you have to peruse the aisles and suddenly you know you're picking up i don't know the new topped ben and jerry's with the caramel in it so fucking good or you know whatever like because it used to be like all of your like you go to any grocery store ever you go to the left and that's where your vegetables and fruits are you come to the, all your veggies and fruits are here. Back wall, it's all of your dairy products. Right and down the sides, you've got anything else that needs to be refrigerated but isn't directly dairy-related.

And then your aisles are chopped up, however those are chopped up. Typically, you're working your way into more processed sugar things. But then they switch it up. So you've got to really get in there and look for what you want and hopefully buy more things as is the American way. And in New Zealand, it's totally different. They're all open air and

they're not shells. Everyone just wears Hessian sacks and they walk around and they wave their wares and they say, Milk for sale! Milk for sale! Yeah. Here goes Guy again bragging about his like beautiful euphoric land that he comes from god we have to get out of here man i'd feel a lot less stupid uh if i hadn't gone in just looking for sos uh

pan scrubbing pads and come out with like 200 worth of groceries i think i think they fucking got me joelle I think you're right. There's nothing worse than doing that and you're carrying around the little basket and you're like this will cover everything. That's right. Then you're playing Tetris with your groceries. Yeah. Oh man. Well

Guy, Joel as well, it's been such a pleasure having both of you. Guy, where can people find you and follow you? You can find me in Auckland at my house. And that's been true for a long time. But if that is not enough for you, you can find me online, which is Twitter and Instagram at Guy underscore Mont. And I recently released, I self-released on Bandcamp a stand-up show.

My hour-long stand-up show from earlier this year when it was legal to do stand-up comedy in this country. It's called Guy Montgomery by Name, Guy Montgomery by Nature. And it's five US dollars on Bandcamp, which I'm pretty sure is like a dime for you guys. With inflation. Yeah, yeah. it's great value yeah uh awesome i will be going to buy that right after we end this uh meeting uh and is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying yeah there was a tweet i saw the other day that I was just like, man, the word economy on this is out of sight. It's by a Twitter user at Arson Doer. So pretty incriminating handle.

But the tweet was, if smoking so bad, why does it cure salmon? I mean, beautiful. I mean, beautiful. It's so perfect and such a perfect dad joke and in line with the sensibility of this show that it has been used before, but we will allow it. No, it cannot be. I knew I was coming on the show a week ago

and I was like, I'm going to put that to the side. And then some dirty dog got in there. Betrayed was miles so you can blame it was uh joelle where can people find you what is the tweet you've been enjoying yeah tell me you can find me all over the internet at joelle monique it's j-o-e-l-l-e-m-o-n-i-q-u-e yes um michelle c clark on twitter uh tweeted something is's really beautiful. I believe in signs from the universe, little gifts here and there. If you're looking for them, I'm trying to make a lot of small but impactful changes, as my therapist likes to call them. It's not easy, but Michelle C. Clark said staying committed to healthy daily habits is like writing a series of love letters to your future self.

And it really resonated with me. daily habits is like writing a series of love letters to your future self and it really resonated with me and if you're also trying to make little small and significant changes for a better life hopefully it resonates with you too that's nice you can find me on twitter jack underscore o'brien a couple tweets i've been enjoying jamie loftus uh at jamie loftus help what is a holiday but a family member calling you mrs fucking hollywood when you refuse to eat spaghetti from a ziploc bag and then tom gar uh just gave us a little piece of non-fiction uh that has stuck with me since i read it earlier this morning uh he said a tragic airplane moment we've been sitting on the tarmac waiting to take off for two hours. The guy in front of us fell asleep immediately upon boarding.

He just woke up and started getting ready to get off the plane. He thought we'd landed. My wife broke the news to him. Poor baby. I know. That is difficult. I've been that guy in a slightly, I would say, even more disarming situation, which is I was awake when the plane took off and fell asleep once we were in the sky

and then we got to where we were meant to land but it was too windy to land and so the plane circled back and landed at the original airport when I woke up and was like alright holiday time alright well you can find us on twitter

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