The Daily Zeitgeist - Messy Mitt, KILL THE WEAK 10.22.19

Episode Date: October 22, 2019

In episode 499, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Tiff Stevenson to discuss Chick-fil-A being kicked out of the UK, the Trump Administrations reactions to the words 'quid pro quo,' impeachment polls, Mitt Romney's burner Twitter account, the weekend box office, the Martin Scorsese versus Marvel thing still happening, and more!FOOTNOTES: Days after opening its first U.K. restaurant, Chick-fil-A announces the location will close Check out the LONG pause from SecState Mike Pompeo after George Stephanopoulos calls him out for stiffly refusing to discuss Mick Mulvaney's devastating admission of a quid pro quo this week. Mick Mulvaney publicly confirmed Trump used aid to Ukraine as leverage to get the Ukrainian govt to do political favors for him -- but he now claims he was misinterpreted because he never literally said the words "quid pro quo" "You said what you said!" - absolutely BRUTAL grilling of Mulvaney by Chris Wallace on quid pro quo. Watching Jordan bumble his way through a response about Mick Mulvaney’s press conference is my favorite clip of the night What Our Poll Shows About Impeachment Views in 6 Swing States This Sure Looks Like Mitt Romney’s Secret Twitter Account (Update: It Is) 'Zombieland 2' raises the stakes with Terminator zombies, Obama's 'Beast' limo and Elvis Zombieland: Double Tap Proves the Zombie Craze Will Never Die Martin Scorsese Compares Marvel Movies to Theme Parks: ‘That’s Not Cinema’ Martin Scorsese Clarifies Controversial Comments About Marvel Movies Francis Ford Coppola’s Slam on Marvel Films Fuels Debate Sparked by Martin Scorsese WATCH: back to basics - headie one feat skepta (hudmo refix) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And he'll roll nice and tight Said I don't wanna blaze here lonely Them Zeitgeist boys gonna get me right A little Tracy Chapman for y'all out there. Thank you to Freddie Bidet at Flush Culture for that Tracy Chapman inspired AKA. We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious and talented Tiff Stevenson.

Hi. Welcome back. Thank you. I'm glad you got my rider request to be introduced as hilarious and talented. Yes. Absolutely. Because it's horrible to be one without the other. And we also got the ice sculpture that was shaped in your face. And the candles kind of canceling out the ice sculpture.

Right. It was hard to keep the balance going. I didn't realize how expensive those Diptyque ones you wanted were. Boy. A little bit more expensive than we thought. Those are wild how expensive some candles are. Diptyque are the ones that you cannot justify buying one for yourself no

I've been gifted and even then you're like I'm going to fire this on eBay right just give me the cash guys someone will pay $80 for this wax tube I mean come on man oh I'm sorry

I only get the little petite ones. Le petit. Yeah. Oh, the tiny little, I got, I got, I actually, I did burn one that had a unicorn on it at Christmas and I was like, oh, that's nice. They do smell. Fantastic. Incredible.

But I mean, is it 80 pounds worth of incredible? I don't think so. No. I don't know. I'm surprised no one has just mimicked the scent. Right. Do they have? Yankee Candle?

I mean, does Yankee Candle? I mean, Yankee Candle does a great gingerbread man. Well, now you're talking about my favorite store at the mall. They should just do one called Expensive. Yeah. And see how many people buy it. It's just- Millennial. That two bros diptych.

I mean, I went to a person of means home, and it was covered in those things. It was like, it smells great. What's wrong with Glade plugins? What's wrong with Glade? Glade has some of my favorite scents. Oh, now we're too good for Lysol crisp linen scent? Hold on. I will say the Ivy restaurant has Glade,

cans of Glades in the bathroom. Oh, yeah? So there's no Diptyque candle in there. Yeah. You'd expect the Ivy in Beverly Hills to have some fancy shit in it, right? But no. Glade's in the bathroom. Oh, yeah? So there's no diptych candle in there. Oh, damn. You'd expect the ivy in Beverly Hills to have some fancy shit in it, right? But no. Glade, huh? Shout out to Glade.

Yeah. Shout out to him. Is it a special scent for the ivy? No. I think it was just like a floral. It just had like a floral. Floral arrangement. I mean, it's not a bespoke Glade.

I would love to have a bespoke Glade. Shout out to SC Johnson. Yeah. They're doing it uh all right tiff we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about we're gonna talk about how uh the uk your home country told the chick-fil-a to do one yeah get the fuck out of here yeah uh we're gonna talk about the whistleblower scandal, some polling as it relates

to that, Fox News and Senate Republicans as they relate to that. We're going to check back in with coverage of Bernie Sanders' campaign, just the Democratic field in general. We're going to talk about Mitt Romney's burner account, which is exactly as wild as you would expect. And we're going to check in with the weekend box office and a trend that we're noticing when it comes to zombie movies and America versus the rest of the world. But first, Tiff, we like to ask our guest, what's something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Something from my search history was just before I left LA, I searched how to come down

from a massive high. Oh, wow. To prepare? To prepare. No, it wasn't to prepare. It was in the midst of it. So listen, it's very different here. The stuff that you have, I was gifted some after I did a show at the comedy store.

I have something called Speedweed, which I think is not how quickly it works. Oh, wow. They called it Speedweed? It's called Speedweed. I think it's how quickly they deliver. And I'm not a weed smoker, right? So I don't know. It had these two little tubes of pre-rolled spliffs in them one was something called granddaddy purple gdp yeah okay all right granddaddy purple yes thank you grandfather i believe that you call it

gdp um so there's one of those and then just another branded speed weed one and i don't smoke at home and so here's the first thing to remember important to uh know that we if if people smoke weed at home they put it with tobacco yeah so we're on a spliff right so that's that's so i decide after having had this for a week that i'm going to go up on the roof of the place that i'm staying and uh and. Burn it down. Burn it down. So I have like two puffs and I'm like, oh, I don't smoke cigarettes. This is gross. It doesn't work.

So there's a guy on the roof. I give him the spliff. So I'm like, he smokes. I give him this. You're like, please take this away from me. Yeah. And he was like, oh, you sure you don't want it? And I was like, no, no, no, it's fine.

So nothing had happened then. I get back into the apartment and like 15 minutes later, I have a complete and utter freak out. It's like I've dropped acid. I don't know what's happening, but it becomes very middle-aged very quickly. I start tidying the entire flat. I'm basically almost start my tax return. I'm having a paranoid freak out.

So I'm Googling how do i come down from this yeah massive high and then one of the things it recommends is that i chew on a peppercorn neil young recommends if you're having a paranoid high chewing on a peppercorn yeah so we go into my friend's kitchen and there is no there's a packet of white powder so i snort that no yes and this is the point that my fiance said to me you made that bit up and i was was like, can I reiterate? I was fucking high. I didn't, I just did.

I thought that would like, I just, where was it? Like in his kitchen? Yeah. In his kitchen. So I snorted that, that didn't work.

I messaged my friend going, what should I do? And he said, you need OJ. And I was like me, like I'm staying in Korea town. Like, I don't know that I want to go out walking.

It's sketchy. I don't really know my way around and I think OJ lives in Las Vegas I was going to say yeah a blonde woman wandering around LA asking for OJ no so yeah so that was my Google search was to try and come down sounds like an adventure

sounds like all the things you were told are the worst things too feels like I was being trolled yeah I feel like Neil Young was fucking with you. Hey, snort up. I got a packet of cream of tartar. Right. Do that one real quick. See how that gets you.

If she gets it right. I mean, you can snort things that'll really like fuck up your sinuses. Was it an okay? To be fair. Was it a benign white powder? Yeah, it was fine. It didn't say to snort the powder. It said to chew on a peppercorn. Right. And you interpreted that as find some white powder yeah it was fine it it didn't say to snort the powder it said to chew on a peppercorn

right and you were just and you interpreted that as find some white powder and panic snort it a panic snorting is always a great place to be that's a good indicator though it would like clear my mind or something like like a snuff or something i was like you know just yeah something just to change your yeah yeah change my perception the other thing this was definitely trolling was someone said sometimes it's helpful to chew on something to like ground you maybe some nuts right and there were some almonds and i had the driest mouth and so i put these nuts and i was like it was like i was chewing on like cotton wool then i I watched Lethal Weapon 3 and cried for about an hour and a half.

Is that the one where they're making fake money? It's the one where Joe Pesci is blonde. Yes. And Rene Russo, I think, comes aboard. Is it like they're making fake Chinese money or there's a Chinese guy who's... I think that's four. You can never get them straight.

Three has a really good Eric Clapton-Sting collabo. Oh, yeah, opening. Yeah, opening. I really like that song. That must have been calming. Yeah. Eric Clapton and Sting serenades. I was sort of crying when Joe Pesci thought he was dying

and he was saying he'd been shot. And I was like, I could get shot. So the movie caused you to cry. It wasn't just like a... It's a powerful performance. All around existential crisis. It was the power of Lethal Weapon 3. I'd like to say it was the power of Lethal Weapon 3.

I think all around it was like, what am I doing? And it lasted for about three hours. Yeah. So I won't be making that mistake. When I was too young, my dad bought me and my sister tickets to go see Lethal Weapon 3 while he took my younger sister to see Fern Gully. And we literally got pulled out of the theater for being too young. Someone was like, what the fuck are you kids?

Yeah, somebody was like, there are children at Lethal Weapon 3. And so we had to watch Fern Gully. And I was, so I was inordinately into Lethal Weapon 3 because it was like the forbidden fruit. The movie that Avatar ripped off. Ferngully, yeah. Yeah. Not Lethal Weapon 3. No.

Could you imagine? What is something you think is overrated? Oh, overrated. Not being pregnant. Yeah. I don't know why I was so on board with that. I've never been pregnant oh um purely because um i got my period yeah sharing is caring uh just yesterday and i've been on a long-haul flight and i always complain about it but i realize the other possibility is just being

pregnant so um so yeah so also last time i was here i um i went to my friend's baby shower and she'd been having really bad morning sickness part of me sort of went just so i could be for the first time in hollywood the skinniest person in the room because it was just all pregnant women yeah um but uh yeah like uh and know, it seems like a lot of people now, and I don't know whether it's because of my age and my friends are like kind of when they're late 30s having pregnancies, but they're all getting like super, super bad morning sickness. Yeah.

It's lasting forever. So actually, you know, underrated. Not having morning sickness. Do you want to have a child at some point? I have a stepson. I'm a stepmom. So, yeah. I had to leave my castle for a couple of hours.

And my enchanted mirror. So, I do have a stepson. And, yeah, it's something that I've sort of, you know, I'm not trying, but I'm also not not trying. Right. Which in a way is kind of not trying. Right. Sure. But if you're like, hey, God, if you're saying our universe, if it's'm also not not trying. Right. Which in a way is kind of not trying. Right. Sure. But if you're like, hey, God, if you're saying or universe, if it's going to happen, then

we'll ride the wave. But I'm not. I'm not feeling positive movement towards it. Seeing my friends. Yeah. Having them. Also, everyone lies to women about how painful the birth is. Right.

Like everyone says it's going to be fine. I think. No. I've never heard anyone say that. It's brutal. It's the worst thing. Women tell each other, I think, like, oh no, it'll be once you're pregnant.

And also the brain, I think, blocks out how bad it is. Like, so you don't remember it. Because my memory of our first child's, like my wife being in labor with her first kid and her memory are like totally different i'm like it is the worst thing like we should never do that and she's like no it wasn't that bad and i think it's like the brain like provides a chemical to just be like you're not going to want to remember any of this um let's do it again huh yeah another one uh yeah so miles were you suggesting like with the putting it up to god

that uh just like a miraculous conception miraculous conception just wait for god to impregnate you if you want to yeah truly and then you have a story you can sell to the sun but the i think no it's funny because it's funny with a lot of the women in my social group who have had children they're all like it's it will feel like your body's ripping open yeah i've not heard many people do the papering over of like sure it's painful it's like no yeah stay as long as you can it's an event horizon yeah literally yeah uh what is something you think is underrated uh oh did i do overrated not being pregnant okay what did i say underrated for that one did I do overrated? Overrated not being pregnant.

What did I say underrated for that one? I don't know. Did I? I forget what I asked. Underrated not being pregnant. Do we know? Underrated periods. Yeah.

Underrated periods. Underrated periods. Slash not being pregnant. Overrated politeness. Politeness. Overrated. Got it. Overrated because, and I think my Britishness was part of me.

There's a couple of reasons my Britishness also my femaleness uh I'm always kind of being uh taught to be polite and respectful and I've realized it doesn't really get you anywhere and on my flight on the way here I um I came from New York uh earlier on just this morning in fact and um I was paying for my flight so i got on the plane i turned right i don't like to turn right politically on a plane no matter what right right but uh so i i would i you know i booked myself into um economy or coach as you call it and i was sandwiched between two men and i've decided now that i'm too polite to men that i don't know i think that's one of the things so if i know a guy then that's fine but if i don't know them i'm too polite to men that i don't know i think that's one of the things

so if i know a guy then that's fine but if i don't know them i'm just going to go in with hostile aggressiveness yeah because men of a certain age uh favorite show yeah yeah men of a certain age men men men uh white men of a certain age that i don't know there's just a sense of like um what's the word i'm looking for like um entitlement entitlement expectation confidence so just on my plane today i was sat in the mid sandwich between these two guys uh both of whom were so rude to the air stewardess on the plane and i was like god you guys are dicks like just being very curt or just like hey i need this go so so the stewardess was like could you we were on are dicks. Like just being very curt or just being like, hey, I need this. Go. Thanks.

So the stewardess was like, could you, we were on an exit row. So the guy in front of me just kept moaning relentlessly because his seat wouldn't recline. Oh, right. And they were like, what's because you're on an exit row? And he was like, but other people's seats recline. And she was like, they're not. They're broken where people have been trying to lean back. And I was so tempted to kind of go, it says when you book, because I was looking to book my seats. Yeah, you know that looking that says limited recline on your seat it says you can't recline yeah so he was going on and on and then the guy on my right was asleep and I wanted to go to the bathroom time of the month

and so rather than wake him up I did this perform this kind of ballet trying to get over him like Catherine Zeta-Jones in Entrapment yeah Yeah, that's right. Exactly like that. Right. And it was beautiful. And I brushed his knee with my foot. And then he was like, I would rather you wake me up than kick me in the knee. Oh, fuck off. Did he really?

Yes, yes. And I was like, Shut the fuck up. And then the other guy, like in a fit of pique, when the air stewardess came down and said, can you put your bag underneath the seat? Because you're in the emergency exit.

And he put it and she was like, no, it's got to go right underneath the seat. And he kicked it like a petulant child. His own fucking bag? His own bag. He kicked his own bag. So I was like, do you know what? Why am I being polite?

Like dancing around these dickheads, these like entitled middle-aged miserable men who are sat on either side of me i'm being polite like politeness is overrated i should have just been a bitch i'm taking the space right you're rude i was about to think like first off r.i.p your elbows yeah especially with like i've noticed this even with among men right there are like older dudes who will try and use like seniority to like look at be like, I'm the older guy, so my elbow is going to be here. And I'm like, get the fuck up.

Watch us fucking have an elbow fight on this fucking plane. But I feel like that's the first thing. Because I try and be aware, too. I don't want to – I mean, first of all, in economy, you cannot fully spread your legs out anyway. So I think the most space you can kind of have is with your elbows. But you've got to be aware that there's other people next to you so just stay you know fucking stay on your ground do whatever the fuck you feel like people who sit down and immediately put their elbows on the thing are probably the same people who like will never admit that they're

wrong in an argument like yes it just feels like it's the same muscle that's just like i i win this one well it's just an overall it just speaks to a mentality of scarcity right yeah that's what it is because you're going nope there's not enough room for me then i will i will take everything because if i don't then i will have nothing i didn't have an elbow i was just sort of sat with my arms right pinned to the side i didn't have either side just the two of them hey zeitgang let us know what are your tactics to subvert the patriarchy on airplane flights? You know what I mean? Yeah.

Subtle warfare. Stewardesses, their tactic is farting on them. Oh, great. Crop dusting. Oh, well, crop dusting. Did the flight attendants create the term first? Because crop dusting is a time-honored tradition. Right.

I just know that that is a piece of lingo in the... Airline industry? Airline industry with... I think David Sedaris talked about it in one of his essays. I did think about, because I was withholding. Yeah. You know, and I was thinking, why am I holding this in? What you do is you do it...

You're not holding in your personalities. Right. Why should I hold in my farts? What you do, you do it. You're not holding in your personality. Sprint. Why should I hold in my farts? What you do, you fart and then you get the other guy and you blame the person on your other side. I think this guy just farted. I can't believe this guy's like, what? I'm like, I don't know, man.

We both smell it. What you should do is get up and as I'm going to the bathroom, do it there. Just drop dust, yeah. So I move on. I move on. Knock, knock. Open up the door, it's real. And finally, what is a myth?

What's something people think is true you know to be false? Oh, that lining outside your lips makes them look bigger when everyone can just see you've put lip liner outside your lips. Go on, yes. Well, my friend said to me recently, she was was like you're the only person i know that does lip liner inside their lips and i was like i don't do it inside my lips i do it on my lip line right right but like either just accept that god gave you that thin lip and that's it or you know go get it injected but like the liner is not fooling anyone this big like bit above here

filled in with all of the gloss is not fooling anyone. This big like bit above here filled in with all of the gloss is not fooling anyone into thinking your lips are bigger. Everyone can just see that you- I think it only works for photos at a certain distance where you might be able to get away. Because when you see it in person, you're like, they must know. It's just on their upper lip. Yeah.

But I guess, you know, some people don't want to accept their Kenneth Branagh lips. And I feel like- Kenneth Branagh is your thin-lipped first go-to. Yeah, well, my mom, some people don't want to accept their Kenneth Branagh lips. And I feel like Kenneth Branagh is your thin lipped. Yeah. Well, my mom, who's a massive Anglophile, I'm like, I always grew up with anything that was like on the BBC, like Prime Suspect, anything, always watched it with her. And the thing, whenever Kenneth Branagh would on, she'd be like, I love his acting. He has no lips. He has no lips.

And that was the first time I noticed. I'm like, oh, oh wow that is possible to have nearly zero lips yeah yeah it's impossible to have a stiff upper lip if you have a horizontal line across the mouth yeah like a smiley face uh all right let's talk really briefly about chick-fil-a attempting to expand nationwide for a while they were like only in the South and then they spread across America. And now they're trying or recently tried in 2017, I guess. International, baby. To go international.

Yep. And how'd that go? They opened up on October 10th in Reading in England, and it only took nine days for them to figure out they probably won't be expanding in the UK. Nine days. Yeah days yeah so you know i didn't even know because i would have gone chick-fil-a yeah well i would have gone to reading i almost would have gone to reading oh really yeah the so what happened was they opened it at the oracle mall and essentially the like a few like a lot of activists came out and basically

said this is fucking absurd like this company like has a very dark past of giving to anti-lgbtq groups uh whether it's you know like the coalition of like christian athletes or other things like as late as 2017 they've been caught giving money uh to these kinds of oh i didn't know that yeah so that's not why i would have been going to reading right to support chick filet and their awful activities yeah no right so then after that i mean credit where it's due a lot of the people said they came out that said you may so after they announced that they were closing the activists said we will still continue to to basically protest outside of here until you leave uh because they said in about six months

from now they'll just be closing they chick-fil-a did say we were actually always only going to be running for six months. So that's sort of how it is. That's just a pop-up. A pop-up in Reading, not even London. Reading is like this armpit bit of the M4. Have you been to Reading? No, I mean, I know about the football club, but I couldn't tell you what's there. Occasionally, Americans will call it Reading. Yeah.

We have Reading in Pennsylvania. So, I mean, people who are- But it's not spelled like reading. No. Like this is. No, wait, how's reading PA spelled? I thought it was R-E-D-D-I-N-G. No, no, no.

Reading PA is also spelled like reading. I feel like such a fool. Because I know they have a wonderful pagoda, Asian pavilion in Reading. Very famous. They got any GDP in PA. Yeah, exactly. But one of the activists said quote you may be

closing down in six months time but we have a message for you uh you will not be opening anywhere else in the uk and if we do see you on our soil we will stand up and we will challenge you again so credit credit to the uk for i mean americans have a you know we were people's consumption habits are built on holding their nose and being like is this bad for i don't know it's cheap and i think we're doing good protest at the moment we got a lot going on yeah you're in practice what uh are there companies in the uk like i i'm wondering if this is if this is a specifically american phenomenon where you have like companies with really fucked up backward politics like would that yeah British Petroleum wait a second but they're yeah yeah I mean there's a few and

people do kind of I think I talked about this last time I was on your show actually you know there are companies that kind of do this big getting involved with pride but we do zero hour contracts or you know certain people are like yeah we believe in you know a lot of it is on pride and you go how many people do you actually employ right from this community or is this just some kind of like way for you to get some nice rainbow stuff is the worst version a company being opportunistic than sort of like the figure like the person behind the company being like oh this person is like a despicable human well i think we did you know and i tried for a long time actually in the uk and then my sort of i guess your morals sometimes have to be in line with

what you can afford sometimes you need to be able to afford morals so yeah we you know at times of my life where i've been more broke i'm like oh i can't afford to you know not oh i've got a voucher for starbucks because starbucks was one of the places because they weren't paying tax. So Starbucks and Amazon for a long time, I like kind of held off doing anything and they just sort of slipped back into the- So I guess it's a, we're exporting this country. Yeah, yeah.

That's our main export. Well, because I think part of- It's shitty rich people. The pattern too in the US is if you get powerful enough in business, then you can start exerting influence on politics. And that's when people start being like, too, in the U.S. is if you get powerful enough in business, then you can start exerting influence on politics. And that's when people start being like, oh, right. Because, yeah.

Anyway. Yeah. So we do. But people do. I mean, obviously, if they if they turned up to protest the Chick-fil-A, that does kind of happen. But we've lost a lot of our independent businesses to the same as here. I suppose you've got strip malls here which i find odd that you have a taxidermist next to a bakery um but you get a sick squirrel wallet yeah um but um but we have

you know like we we've lost all those kind of small independent so the protesting tends to be around you know um stopping these chain places oh right actually we did lush there was a place called into which is a shopping center in the uk and lush who i do a podcast with in the uk they do quite a lot of activism i call them like ethical fight club because they like make soap and bath bombs but they also do they did this whole thing about undercover police who like start spy cops who started families with people that were infiltrating and stuff like that. Oh, Jesus. So yeah, and they're like anti-animal testing

and they do all this stuff to help refugees. And they got, when they had their spy cops campaign, they had all these big posters, like kind of going, do you really trust the police in their stores? And then the shopping centres like tried to shut them down and the police, like the Metropolitan Police in the UK were like this is outrageous you're undermining us and they're like

this goes on we've you know we were behind uncovering this campaign so the shopping centres then tried to shut them down so there were two sides there were people who were protesting saying this is bad for the police in the UK and then there were people sort of the activists on the side of Lush kind of going they're just saying this and also shopping centers going we can't have that display in our shop

because it's a political statement you're like you sell newspapers right you sell newspapers you can't say that you have no political affiliations in your shopping center so you're going to start restricting what people can and can't sell and display so that was that was an example of that kind of yeah political you know crossover where the lines become blurred i think also in the uk the appetite for like the for chick-fil-a is a little bit different right because there's already chicken shops like there's a culture of eating yeah like you have your chicken shops and i think people that's already that's where they get their chicken we have chicken shop date we have have a web series. Oh, yeah, yeah.

We have people go to a chicken shop and chat. And also, yeah. The woman who hosts that is so funny. Chicken Cottage is a chain that we've got. We've also got Nando's. Well, Nando's, yes. Yeah. So, you know, we are, we got all of the Perry's.

Yeah. So I guess for, if you want like hate-filled American chicken it's like we're good we have we have options beyond this they're like because we don't even have peri peri chicken here right oh well also as well um there's a thing i was reading about this the other day with brexit there's a certain type of antibiotic that you're allowed to use in farms here um that i think will be affected by brexit that at the moment farmers aren't using. But if Brexit happens and then we start getting into trouble with supply lines and everything else,

that there's a possibility. You'll start getting our infected cows. We'll start getting, yeah. Yeah, antibiotic-filled chicken. And then the superbugs come for us all. Hey, love a superbug. One of my favorite Marvel movies. Superbug Sunday. Alright, we're going to take a quick break.

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And we're back. And let's check in with the whistleblower scandal. Okay. And impeachment, the impeachment inquiry. The New York Times did a poll of swing state voters and found that there's narrow support for the impeachment inquiry, but narrow opposition to impeachment and removal. So basically, they think that they should look into it. But as of yet, the fact that he has admitted to the thing they're looking into is not enough to remove him. So they're just like looking for something worse, I guess.

I think it's a lot of it, too, is waiting for more Republicans to say something out loud to signal to other people. It's like, wait, are people on my team also thinking it's bad? But yeah, you know, part of this is what's the whole plan of the White House is just to make this process as long as possible. It's hard. I mean, you could get momentum building at a feverish pace. Or if you stall out, then it becomes like very pronounced in maybe these

first three weeks. And who knows what it looks like down the road. But this week, we've got some people stepping to the mic to testify more. But like, what are they going to tell us? I mean, that's the thing. But this week we've got some people stepping to the mic to testify more. But what are they going to tell us? I mean, that's the thing. It's a two-part strategy. One is to stretch it out and two is to have admitted to it right away and just be like,

yeah, that's what we did, but it's not that big a deal. I think this is why as they get more testimony and that's why they have these closed door hearings is to basically they're playing Uno. They don't want you to know what cards they have these closed door test hearings is to basically they're playing uno you know right they don't want you to know what cards they have until it's too late and they just clean you out but i don't know if that's even going to be possible because the democrats can fuck it up

but uh this week bill taylor who is i think his name ambassador taylor the one in the text message thread who is the one who said i think it's absurd to hold up aid for a political purpose yeah that guy will be testifying this week. Interesting. So I'm sure he'll have a very interesting perspective on how he sees everything completely. Yeah. I mean, I do think the message they need to try and kind of keep hammering the Democrats is just that this scandal is about him cheating in the 2020 election.

Like, I think it's too easy for people to sit back and be like, well, you know, we'll figure it out during the election because that's what, it shouldn't be that that is like a release valve, the election, that should be seen as like a deadline by which point we need to have this adjudicated because otherwise we're going to have an unfair election one but you know i think the good thing is that as more there things are still coming out like we're seeing like lev parnus or whatever the one of those russian guys

that giuliani piled around with like he can he was considered to be part of trump's legal team maybe informally like he was at a victory dinner after the, like the Mueller report with Jay Sekulow and Rudy Giuliani. And then like one of the other guys has a handwritten note or like a note from Trump saying like, he's a great friend. So I don't know. And then there's a lot of connections, obviously to Russia with these two men, but you know, it gets, it gets thicker and murkier by the day.

So what, what happened over the weekend on on fox with senate republicans well so again uh mcmulvaney on thursday basically came out and said yeah i we could pro-quote the fuck out of this ukraine thing it happens all the time right now and everyone was like oh my god? You just said this out loud? And then like hours later, I think because he realized he had said it out loud, he tried to put a statement that completely obscured what he said. It's like, that's actually not what I said, even though that's the sentiment I was agreeing to.

I'm un-quid pro quo-ing. Yeah, exactly. That's actually sans quid, sans quo. Nobody has had as much of an out as he did like and a journalist raised his hand and was like you just described correct quid pro quo yes that's right we do it all the time right um and so it's been a really tough thing to defend because his work he he said it there's no way to really spin that any other way. But they tried. So Jim Jordan, the Ohio State wrestling coach or, you know, whatever.

He's from Ohio. Big Tea Party man about destroying democracy. He was on Janine Pirro. Man about destroying town. He was on Janine Pirro, and she tried to sort of give him an opportunity to be like, yeah, and Mick Mulvaney stuff, that's a big nothing burger, huh? Oh, man. Like I said, it's hard to defend something when the person said it out loud,

and this defense is something else. Ask one more thing. What about Mick Mulvaney? I mean, what's going to come of all that, Jim? Well, I mean, Mick cleared up his statement. He had another statement that he made later in the day. I think, look, everything we have heard through the testimony we've heard, there has never been anyone who said that there's always never been a linkage between any military assistance and any type of activity on investigation.

That has been clear throughout. that's not clear at all wait it's been clear that it has the opposite is so again i think that's why he had that well he didn't know what to do because on its face it's everything the facts just betray that sentiment. So then the circus continued. You had Mike Pompeo who went on George Stephanopoulos' show, and he was just, he didn't, I don't even know what to say. He was basically, he was presented the things that Mick Mulvaney said and tried to spin his way out of it and really could not. So do you agree then with Senator McKessie that would have been inappropriate to withhold the military aid unless this political investigation was pursued? George, I'm telling you what I was involved with. I'm telling you what I saw

transpiring and how President Trump was working to make the evaluation about whether it was appropriate to provide this assistance. But that's what I'm asking is, would it be appropriate to condition that? George, I'm not going to get into hypotheticals and secondary things based on what someone else has said. George, you would have never done it when you were the spokesman. I'm not going to do it here today. Except it's not a hypothetical. We saw the chief of staff. It is, George. You just said, if this happened, that is by definition a hypothetical. The chief of staff said it did. happened that is by definition a hypothetical the chief of staff said it did

georgia you asked me if this happened it's a hypothetical that was a real problem i saw the process related to that you got that i mean look again he's saying it's not a hypothetical he said it and he's and again i think this is the only way they can do it they have to just narrowly argue some point that is completely different than the larger issue. Right. What you're saying is a hypothetical. We're not here to debate the definition of a hypothetical. Right. Thank you, though, because he said it.

It is no longer a hypothetical. He said that's what it was. And again, I just want to circle back because who better to defend himself than Mick Mulvaney? himself than Mick Mulvaney because as if he couldn't dig his holes deeper he fucking he kicks off his interview with Chris Wallace on Fox on Fox credit

to Chris Wallace he's starting to have had it with all the bullshit because he's you know he's he's actually doing this really great thing where he'll he'll have them just do their lie or whatever and I'm like what about this they'll lie and he says okay I'd like to show you this what about that they'll okay, I'd like to show you this. What about that?

They'll lie. Okay, I'd like to show. And just like dig deeper and deeper. So this is when he goes on Chris Wallace's show. And this is one of his first appearances since admitting to it in the White House briefing. Right. And he kicks it off with just, you know, master of rhetoric, this man.

Joining us now for an exclusive interview, White House Chief of Staff, Mick Mulvaney. Mick, welcome back to Fox News Sunday. Good morning. Yeah, I flinched a little bit because that's what people are saying that I said, but I didn't say that, but I'm looking forward to the conversation.

All right, let's have the conversation. Why, here's my first question. Why did you say in that briefing that President Trump had ordered a quid pro quo that investigating the Democrats, that A2 Ukraine depended on investigating the Democrats. Why'd you say that? Again, that's not what I said. That's what people said that I said. Here's what I said. I'll say it again. And hopefully people will listen this time. There were two reasons that we held up the A2. Okay, you can cut it off. That's not what I said said that's what people are saying that i said so i'll say it here again no one is again your ears are lying yeah and this is where

we are right i think this is sort of the the this is where we're being pulled into where you have the foot soldiers of the administration out here sort of trying to publicly agree with this like trump created narrative of what is actually happening and the truth that the president has is now the one that they'll have to go out with and try and argue but this is just so difficult trying to gaslight them all into saying that's not what i said right when there's empirical evidence to show so and then as the interview goes on clearly mick mulvaney is having trouble just defending himself. Chris Wallace effectively corners him again, and you'll see Mulvaney just, you know, wriggle and wiggle his way out. Did you say that investigating the Democrats was one of the three conditions, not two, that you had just said that you had talked about? Investigating the Democrats was part of the quid pro quo.

investigating the Democrats was part of the quid pro quo. You also said, if I may, it was part of the Justice Department investigation into the origins of the Russia probe. But the fact is, not only did the press think you said it, here's a statement that was put out by a senior Justice Department official. If the White House was withholding aid in regards to the cooperation of any investigation of the Department of Justice, that is news to us. Everybody thinks that that's what you said, and you didn't. You said right there. Three points, not two. And a couple of different things.

You, again, said just a few seconds ago that I said there was a quid pro quo. Never use that language because there is not a quid pro quo. You were asked by Jonathan Karl, you described a quid pro quo, and you said that happens all the time. And reporters will use their language all the time. So my language never said quid pro quo. But let's get to the heart of the matter. Go back and look at that list. They will use their – yeah, English?

Right. What does that mean? I guess – but I think his point is for the Fox cave dwellers that are fucking watching. Right. They use their language, which is the language of the liberal media elite trying to make us look bad, even though a point was made very clearly by this journalist. And I agreed with it. Right. So, you know, I think this is kind of where we're seeing now, because when there's a new poll that came out that Republicans that actually watch Fox News as their primary news source, 98% of them oppose impeachment and removing Trump. Right.

That's so like, and then I guess if you're a non-Fox watching conservative or you watch other forms of media, you're only 90% opposed. Right. So it's odd to see the people who are fully bought in on Fox, like it's, we're truly at that thing where he was like, yeah, I could shoot a guy. And like, yeah, it's true. He can shoot somebody. They don't give a fuck. And also, 99 percent of evangelical Christians, there's there ain't shit Trump could do that could get them to not support him. Yeah. So, yeah, these are kind of all the the forces at work.

But again, that's a small base. Like even if with those people, that's not enough to reelect him. That's where you kind of got to start looking at what the billionaires do right because if it's either bernie or warren i wonder if their support would change either because those people are existential threats to their wealth right so yeah let's talk about mitt romney killer mitt romney moves in silence kind of like mitt romney move in silence like lasagna. He, he, okay. I just want to say shout out to Ashley Feinberg on Slate. Yeah.

Because she, this is, this story is about Mitt Romney having a burner Twitter account to lurk on Twitter. She also found that Jim Comey had one too a few years ago also. So she's, she's got a, she's got a knack for finding these burner accounts. But it all came out of an interview that Romney did in The Atlantic when he was asked about this Trump tweet where he attached a hashtag impeachment Romney and Romney responding goes, yeah, he's like, I look at it. I look at Twitter. That's kind of what he does. But then he says, quote, what what do they call me? A lurker? He said, yeah.

So apparently that tipped people off and being like, wait, so if he's lurking, is he doing stuff with this other account? And it turns out he has an online persona, Pierre Delecto, where he goes. Is there a Pepe frog picture? No, it's a blank. It's just an egg, egg avatar. Like, you know, you have no avatar. An egg, yeah. The egg always hatches into a troll, though. It's an egg before it hatches into a full-blown troll.

It's funny because when you look at what he does on the account, you'd wish there were some hot takes in it, but it's really just sort of even-handed, like, I disagree with the president on this, or, like, you should read all the facts. What else could the Senate have done in this situation? It's, like, I disagree with the president on this or like, you should read all the facts. What else could the Senate have done in this situation? It's like really Mitt Romney's version of hot takes.

It's like, you know, mayonnaise is too spicy for Mitt Romney. Like that's his version of hot food. Oh, my stomach is just in knots. I don't use black pepper either. Oh boy. And then the best part was a a few journalists were like is this your account his response says moi yeah what a fucking way to admit like using he's a just he's a frank in a bit french yeah yeah you know pierre delecto yeah uh so he's uh you know, again, this is just funny to watch how this is sort of part and parcel of this thing where I'm curious to know where the upstanding people are in the military, in the Republican Party who aren't willing to say the right thing out loud at the right time.

Right. Not on a burner account. Not on a burner account. at the right time. Right. Not on a burner account. Not on a burner account. You know, there was a Republican like Pat Rooney in Florida on Friday. He was like, you know what? I'm actually open to possibly thinking about impeachment. And I was like, oh, my God, really?

Then Saturday, he says, I will be retiring. Oh, shit. So there's too many people on the sidelines right now who are are saying the right thing that have I mean, it has a little bit of impact, but not as much as someone who is working right now in the administration or in the Pentagon. I mean, now you're starting to see more military people like grumble a little bit out loud. Mad dog. Yeah. But again, for him, it happened once he left, you know, and even with General William McRaven, he wrote an op-ed. I mean, I'm not going to really ding him for that. But again, you see a lot of takes that are coming once they leave. And I understand the military is all about being subordinate and you don't want to speak out of turn. But at the same time, I believe that being a patriot, right, if you're in this very idealized view of it, is about making sacrifices for the good of the country if you are in a position to do that. And there are moments where you think like, maybe they're

just waiting for something, but you'd wish we will see more conviction coming out of the right at some point. But it's tough when you have most people just staying silent on the issue to avoid trying to outwardly defend it or, you know, fully buying into the gaslighting campaign. Yeah. I mean, I feel like this is also a good indication of just how much Trump has taken over the Republican Party. Like they, it's like full buy-in. They are, their entire existence basically depends on Trump maintaining because i mean like once the jig is up and everybody's like yeah that was a corrupt hateful like agenda that you guys were going along with there for a while like where do they go from there so i feel like it just kind of

yeah they'll probably just ignore it and pretend it never happened what would like a crisis pr person tell the republic like post Trump? It's like, OK, so how are we going to rehabilitate your fucked image after that one? Yeah. I mean, we already saw they were like, OK, we have to like in 2012 after the Romney loss, there was a PR like all points memo. like all points memo i think it was actually written by just a republican who was like we need to shift towards strategically like being more moderate and you know all the things that would actually make sense with our shifting demographics and uh they went the other way is there someone across like them having extra accounts or who they follow and stuff like with the Giuliani group of like all of those accounts that he's following that conspiracy theory accounts and stuff right is there what is there like a is there someone who's across that who

holds them to account for it I mean a lot of journalists to just say their personal accounts and oh you mean like saying why do you follow these things i mean giuliani obviously like he follows a lot of interesting conspiracists not in the fucking just straight up conspiracy theorists and things like that complete disinformation yeah um and i mean as as far as we've seen he is undeterred by anything uh and i don't know if they're really there's nothing illegal about it but i think at a certain point what happens is it's saying like you're following this and then they're going to say oh right is it's saying, like, you're following this. And then they're going to say, oh, right, because it's not the take of the liberal mainstream media that this is a conspiracy.

It's just very disingenuous defenses of where they're getting their information. The conspiracies are wild. Right. Oh, yeah, absolutely. There's that one that Hillary is some kind of Highlander that's killing off opponents. Yeah, she has a list. Like absorbing their powers. Exactly, yep.

And then Lizard Shapeshifter also. Right. Obama was a shapeshifter for sure. Oh, definitely. Reptilian shapeshifter. Ruth Bader Ginsburg died months ago. Yep. And is being literally and figuratively weekend at Bernie's.

Yeah. Or Dave. I don't want to look at it. Maybe as a body double. Oh, right. Yeah. Pretending to be can you imagine getting that gig

where it's like look you gotta be a body double for Ruth Bader Ginsburg I'm old I know I look like I don't know anything about the law okay just fucking wing it okay say you lost your voice oh I lost my voice alright we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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and then 30 to less than 30% is made domestically in America. But I noticed Zombieland 2 came out and its domestic versus international split was like the opposite basically. Its international was in the 20s. And so that made me wonder. I went back and looked at the original Zombieland and it was also a similar split.

World War Z had more of a traditional split, which makes sense because it was more of like a international disaster movie than what we think of as zombie movies with Brad Pitt but it basically seems like there's

fast moving zombies which are actually formidable like monsters and monster movies are popular everywhere like a normal disaster movie or horror movie but like the slow-moving like groaning zombies that we like are familiar with that are like the stereotypical zombies like nobody likes them anywhere except america they like don't play anywhere else i let me zoom out real quick. I think that's sort of like the take of American history, right? It's like beating up on slow-moving weaker creators.

Right. And then flexing and being like, yo, you saw that shit I did? I just bombed the fuck out of these kids. Yeah. Or whatever the fuck it is. I think there is weakness like, oh, that's sport. You know what I mean? Yeah, fuck it.

I want to feel super powerful. And I think maybe that's the difference is like no that's an opponent these fast fucking freak track stars right not like the like inanimate objects you can just beat the shit out of i don't know i think there's something there's gotta be something about the american ethos a little bit sean of the dead uh i think was more of a even split even though though it was made in England by a British director. Yeah, but it kind of really mocked the idea of how slow they were. And inventive in the way they were killing them with throwing the records and going through them.

You know, because it was crazy. They were so slow. Yeah, no, I think that's a good, I mean, I think it's one of the best zombie films. But yeah, because of its sort of sober-eyed critique of how those monsters, quote unquote, move. Right. Yeah. And we've talked before about how inherently political it is.

If you look at the breakdown of zombie movies versus vampire movies that are being made in America, zombie movies tend to be made more when Republicans are in office and vampire movies more when Democrats are in office. And it's because the theory goes that vampires are sort of represent the right wing's fear about the left, that there's like these kind of European, sexually ambiguous, European sexually ambiguous thin fancy pale monsters that are like trying to seduce you and then you know

with their socialism right with their socialism never come out during the daylight and just up all night and then zombies are you know represent the Democrats fears of Republicans that it's like the groaning hordes, the, you know, dumb, slow-moving crowds.

Right. Like a theme park on a sunny day or a crowded Walmart. Like, that's the liberals' greatest fear. Do zombies... Tries to eat your brains, literally the thing you think with. Do zombie movies resonate with you at all, Tiff? Yeah, I like a zombie movie. Do you like fast or do you like slow?

I like all of them. Oh, so you just fully bought in for the zombie. Yeah, I'm a big fan of all of them. I really enjoyed the Santa Clarita diet as well, which has since been canceled. I thought that was a real fun kind of take on that. Were they zombies in that? Yes, yeah, yeah.

Oh, interesting. Well, she has it kind of like a zombie, right? Yeah. Her thirst for flesh. Yeah, yeah. No, no, she's yeah well it was she just has she has it kind of like a zombie right yeah well she's for flesh yeah yeah no no she's she's yeah but she's more compass mentis like some kind of curse but it's a zombie-esque right like you know interesting she has a cannibal cannibal zombie kind of thing maybe um yeah maybe with brexit we're gonna lose out on the vampire films because they're you know right right dracula's like eastern european yeah but i wonder how much the fear of the eu is what fuels vampires like fear of the influence of outside countries continental yeah exactly i like i do i do like i do like the idea of the socialist vampires. Yeah. Wearing a cape saying no billionaires on it.

Right. Like he has a fancy accent. Yeah. But when you look at their box office. Hey guys, what about more blood blanks where we all share the blood? Everyone get the equal share of blood. I like this guy. This guy knows how to party.

When you look at vampire movies, the split is generally in keeping with international box office trends. But zombies are just all American. The all American zombie movie. Which are the fast zombies then? Because I think I've only ever seen even The Walking Dead. 28 Days Later.

28 Days Later. Which is one of the best. I really love it. Resident Evil. Dawn of the Dead. Resident Evil is speedy ones, aren't they? Yeah. Dawn of the Dead is slow.

I Am Legend. They're quick. Right. Yeah. Real quick. They didn't even count that as a zombie movie. Oh, really? Box Office Mojo.

Huh. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, again, I think it's just about, you know, America likes to beat up the weak. Yeah. I really like that theory. I'm serious. It's just like, everyone else is like, why would you create a movie about like horror movie logic on easy mode?

Because you get to beat the fuck out of them. Yeah, dude, you just get to mow people down. Dude, it's sick. And there's no risk to me. Right. Or fucking fight the weak. Yeah. So where does the purge sit in all of this?

Yeah. Purge is this, I think, just another American fantasy. Yeah. Purge is this, I think, just another American fantasy. I feel like you're right that it probably is playing with the same themes, right? That like the outside masses are going to come for you, but it also appeals to probably the people who are more... Disempowered. Right.

And also like with zombie movies, I feel like it's just like, you know, people shoot a bunch of... I mean, I would love a zombie film where, first zombie movies, I feel like it's just like, bleh, people shoot a bunch of grown-ups. I would love a zombie film where, first of all, we represent the zombies as being a little more intelligent, cultured. Isn't there a zombie culture? I feel like I want to see that movie. Yeah.

Where they're like, okay, let's plan what we're going to do. Let's just not just stumble up to the house. Right. Maybe we can reason with them. Maybe not. Yeah. Interesting take. Maybe bring some snacks.

Yeah. A little bit of a dinner party. Yeah, exactly. Kind of. It's like we don't know what they've been eating. Their flesh might not taste good. Remember that other family we ate? Refined zombies.

Yeah. Mm. Mm-hmm. All right. That's free idea, Hollywood. There you go. Let's talk about the Scorsese versus Marvel thing that is tearing the film world apart. It's back again?

I just remember that one line. It's still ongoing, huh? Right. It's ongoing because Francis Ford Coppola came in and upped the stakes. So it started out. We didn't talk about it last week, so we'll just give the stakes. So, started out, we didn't talk about it last week, so we'll just give the background. Presumably because someone thought

his new movie was about a superhero named Irishman. He was asked about the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and he said they're not cinema and more akin to theme parks. And that made the internet very mad.

I don't know if he was intentionally trying to provoke film fans of modern day, but that couldn't have been better designed to just piss off a bunch of basically everybody you see on the internet. Is he doing that thing where he's like sort of differentiating between movies and cinema? That's exactly what he's doing. Okay, so. And the quote really isn't that bad.

He says, I don't see the superhero movies. I tried, you know, but that's not cinema. Honestly, the closest I can think of them, as well made as they are with actors doing the best they can under the circumstances is theme parks. Under the circumstances? it isn't the cinema of human beings poor actors trying to convey emotional psychological experiences to another human being so he's because they're fucking mutants bro right they're not human fuck martin right but it is pretty i mean you can it's so backhanded harsh though didn't he yeah more harsh though, didn't he? Yeah. Coppola came in and just said.

Coppola came in and said he thinks that superhero movies are despicable. Wait, why? Despicable? Despicable. Bro. Yeah. Well, there's a difference, isn't there, between going it's different to what I do and it shouldn't exist. Right.

Despicable is something that you go, this shouldn't exist. This is despicable is something you go this shouldn't exist this is despicable right right right like racism is despicable yes like someone making a super oh that's fucking oh i mean honestly i'd prefer i'd wish racism existed longer than super if i had to pick one to get rid of superhero movies yeah despicable i get honestly i can take this criticism coming from scorsese because he's so rigorous when it comes to like his vision for what cinema does sure but francis for coppola made jack the robin williams movie about a child who ages too fast like he's yeah like batting a thousand tell me more about cinema mr coppolapola. Oh, Mr. Coppola. Yeah, I mean, but they've-

Oh, also, Bram Stoker's Dracula. Speaking of Dracula, that's Coppola as well. Also very popular everywhere. But also, I mean, I feel like the movies are big enough and bad enough to take any criticism. Yeah. But it's just sort of mad to say something shouldn't exist or that you, to narrow.

I always feel like that kind of like narrowing of what art is or what filmmaking is or what, you know, you can say this is what I believe it is, but you can't speak for a whole genre, can you? No. Right. Well, it's one of those things that's happening in every art form, right? Yeah.

Everything's becoming either democratized more so anybody can do it or like it's just things every art form right everything's becoming either democratized more so anybody can do it or like it's just things are changing a little bit the tastes are changing and i get what it's like someone being like you know a very technical mc like fucking royce the five nine or someone having a take on these soundcloud rappers who are like these are not bars right these are not really well written raps this is like swag rapper this is like a different thing and you see that in hip-hop because it's sort of like no what we do is rap yeah that's some other shit but again it it's it's coming from this generational thing of like i don't know why these young kids are into this now so can for example

who who won't consider netflix films or anything like that or streamer films right for the festival because it has to have had a cinematic right or theatrical release right but you have to look at the industry and how it's changing and stuff you know and kind of go oh does that mean that this because it's so difficult to get a film into it's all about connections again isn't it yeah it's about closing the this kind of closed shop. I don't want to say jobs for the boys, but also there is a bit of a thing of kind of like, this is the way we do it. This is the way it's always been done. And there's no room for you in here. Right. Exactly. I mean, and if you want to do it, do it our way. Yeah. Yeah. The movie Gemini Man is actually,

it's in the top five, I think, for the weekend at the box office, even though it's coming out as a streaming movie. And it's also popular everywhere because I think a younger version of Will Smith is a villain that we can all be afraid of, right? De-aged Will Smith, that's terrifying. Yeah, they say that movie, Gemini Man, is losing maybe 75 million? Well, that's assuming, oh, I guess, yeah. I mean, because's but that's assuming oh i guess yeah i mean because that but that's not like it's a netflix movie isn't it right yeah but it's also in theaters

also there's a theatrical release and it only made 20 million domestically over the weekend right but again you know it's it's it's a different game i've said this before but netflix should open cinemas right they should add like another, like a kind of bolt onto their subscription that says, if you want to go watch our content, if you want that communal experience of seeing a film. Yeah, you can join the Netflix cinema club and go see their stuff there. Because I know they're actually, I mean, it makes sense because they love debt. Right. Let's just build some fucking theaters.

Right. I mean, because like the whole plan behind spending that much on Gemini Man is that like it's going to bring in a certain number of people who will then subscribe. Right. And they're about to sell like $2 billion worth of like junk bonds, basically. Are they? To try and fund themselves again. So, you know yeah

people still people still have faith in that stock yeah just keep just keep getting so big and so big you don't know what to do well they won't they don't release the figures though do they for anything so it's only when they want to right because that Adam Sandler Jennifer Aniston film was like had really they said

huge did huge numbers yeah yeah and I mean that's that was this year right so it's eligible for the oscars that are what it'll have to play in a theater right that's true so it isn't and that's a loss for us all i mean a lot of people are saying it was it's better than roma right yeah yeah it's this year's roma um wait what was that movie it's last year's the Shape of Water. Right. Wasn't it like Murder Mystery or something? Yeah, I watched it.

Was it good? Some familiar faces. Just Go With It is what it's called. Just Go With It? Yeah, 19% on Rotten Tomatoes. I was close with Murder Mystery. It is a murder mystery.

So who done it on a boat? They're going on their like 10 year delayed honeymoon and then Adam Sandler's a cop who wants to be a detective but can never pass the detective's exam. Right. And then, uh, Adam Sandler is a cop who wants to be a detective, but can never pass the detective's exam. Right. And then they meet a, like a mysterious wealthy guy who invites them on a yacht.

Right. And chaos ensues when the patriarch of the family winds up dead. But I feel like, so just going back to Scorsese and Coppola, I feel like they must think like, uh, Spielberg, like is just pure garbage, like all Spielberg. Right.

Because I mean, because he's like dabbled with all kinds of. I mean, he invented this type of movie with that shark movie. Ninety seven. Yeah. Swag. Oh, Jaws. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Yeah. I said it backwards. Yeah. And E.T. and stuff. He did these kind of I mean, you could view E.T. as kind of like a superhero he kind of right yeah yeah um i mean under the circumstances okay but yeah uh goonies was not spielberg i'm sorry oh no it wasn't it was chris columbus it's chris columbus yeah was it a lucas why do i think oh no actually chris columbus wrote it i don't know here we go goonies battle it's not spielberg it is not spielberg directed by

richard donner heavily influenced by uh spielberg i think yeah um so but they can't they're mates aren't they i thought they really liked and respected maybe it's the amount of cgi but then are they coming for cameron for avatar right well and then the irishman too has their de-aging they have to de-age so look everybody's got to dip their toe in the CGI pool. I'm keen to see when this de-aging technology will kick in for women. Because I was like, women are going around getting plastic surgery to look younger in Hollywood. And the men are just being in school sexy films. So like, save it, save it.

We'll do it in post. Don't worry about it, man. You don't have to fuck with all that stuff. Yeah, but I mean, mean you're gonna see this in every genre every medium like there were uh panics about the future of music when recordings became a thing because people were like well nobody's gonna go see live music game because they'll just like play it in their living room right at parties uh like in home concerts right Right. So, I mean, no matter what I even before that writing music was considered like a real threat to the future of the art form, like writing down the notes, because then you could like

reproduce it. And oh, interesting. It's like a piracy thing. So, yeah, no matter what, you're going to have silly and maybe they're not silly. Maybe culture was at its best when we couldn't write music. Well, look, they're just mad that people's palates are dumbed down because we've just sort of fed people this diet of really wholly unoriginal content. And like it makes certain, I think for them, they're like, well, what about this?

It's like, yeah, there's room for that. But honestly, this is where the market is. But hasn't it always been? Hasn't that market always been there and And actually surely all this does is kind of shore up more support for their films for people who don't want that or Imagine this a world where you could watch both and enjoy them for what? Oh, come on. No, it's a binary fuck out of here Which which ones closest to the origin of cinema with that train coming towards the screen

and everybody running out of the theater? That's like a theme park. That's more of a theme park attraction than cinema. In your face, Scorsese. Yeah, actually, Scorsese's ruining cinema. Jack won, Scorsese zero. Oh, hold on. Actually, if we can, can I make a critique? I mean, I might want to be in a Scorsese film, cinema. Jack won Scorsese zero. Oh, hold on. Actually, if we can, can I make a critique?

I mean, I might want to be in a Scorsese film, so I shouldn't bother. But could there be a film where he doesn't have Give Me Shelter by the Rolling Stones in it? Please. I know. Because every... Man, 20 Feet from stardom though. That's a great part of that documentary where they talk about-

That's amazing. Yeah, Jimmy Shelter. The singer? Oh, I haven't seen that actually. She was pregnant. Was she? And they like called her up in the middle of the night. They're like, they need you to sing right now.

And she's the one who sings it and they have her isolated track and she's just leaving her soul like on that tape. Oh, that's full circle. I mean, that is what makes the song. Yeah. Performance. That brings full circle then

because isn't Dana, is it Dana Love? No. She's in Lethal Weapon, all of the Lethal Weapons. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. So who sang the, she's in 20 Feet from Stardom

and she sang the Christmas. Mary Clayton. No. Is the one who sang. Darlene Love. Darlene Love. Darlene Love. Darlene Love.

So she's in Lethal Weapon and she's also in 20 Feet from Stardom. Who is she in Lethal Weapon? She's. Oh, Danny Glover's wife. Yeah. How about that? Goes on to become a romance novelist.

Full circle. Well, Tiff, it's been so fun having you. Thanks for having me. Where can people find you, follow you? I am on Twitter, at Tiff Stevenson. I'm on Instagram. I'm working it out. I know it's what the kids use,

the GDP, NPA kids. Nice, puffing the GDP, dude. Yeah. So that's Tiff Stevenson Comic. Also, I'm doing a show on Friday at the Improv My Hour show called Mother at the Hollywood Improv. So if you are, you know, this way, Los Angeles way, and quite a few of the people who followed me after the last show are please come see the show um it's it's good i hate and it's very british of me now but i don't like saying i'm good but it was the one of the best reviewed shows at the edinburgh fringe so there you go

we'll add that uh extra bit of american shit talk on top of it uh and is there a tweet you've been enjoying oh yeah uh one from the producer of the bugle which is a show that i'm on chris skinner he did a great uh tweet with a picture of boris johnson having sent a letter to the eu but refusing to sign it, like the child that he is, because he said he would rather die in a ditch than try and ask for another extension. So we're all busy looking in ditches. But Chris just put a photo of him up saying,

tell me when the cocks go back, because the clocks are due to go back. So a little bit of punny wordplay there, which I enjoyed. Little pun, little wordplay. Miles, where can people find you? And what's a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Grey. Three tweets I like.

First one, at GoodBeanAll. It says, if her most used emoji is it's that smiley face that has like the big watery, like about to cry eyes. Yeah. I've got some bad news for you, bro. The next one, at Julian Popov off the year is 2192. The British prime minister visits Brussels to ask for an extension of the Brexit deadline.

No one remembers where this tradition originated, but every year it attracts many tourists from all over the world. And last one from Ryan McKellie, a boyfriend, babe, should I be Thor for Halloween? Girlfriend, how would you do that? And last one from Ryan McKellie. Boyfriend. Babe, should I be Thor for Halloween? Girlfriend. How would you do that?

Boyfriend. Just like being jacked and sexy? Girlfriend. What about Thor, but like when he gets fat in Endgame? Boyfriend. Nothing. Girlfriend. You know, like in Endgame.

Boyfriend. Nothing. Girlfriend. Have you seen Endgame. Boyfriend, nothing. Girlfriend, have you seen Endgame? Some tweets I enjoyed. Paul F. Tompkins, I think every G7, G20 should be held on the moon. Build a permanent station there. Make the world's leaders literally look at the world as one planet.

Isn't that poetic? Aren't I a little poems boy? We all love me in my mind. You can find me on Twitter, Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

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in today's episode as well as the song we write out on. Miles, what's that going to be today? Okay, this song isn't out officially, but it was part of the BBC Essential Mix of the duo, the EDM duo, Tonight. Okay? That is Scotland's Hudson Mohawk and Quebec's, or I believe Montreal. He's from Montreal, right?

Montreal, Quebec's Lunas. And in this one, okay, there's a lot of new music, but there is specifically this track, Back to Basics, that's by Headdy1 featuring Skepta. And it is the Hudmo remix of this track, and boy howdy is this a slapperino.

Yes, it's just got great little, like, plonky Mario sound keyboard and then trap drums. It's just, it's great. And plus the little, they're, these MPs, shout out to London. All right, we're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. And we'll talk to you then.

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