The Daily Zeitgeist - Military Industrial Christmas, Talk To Strangers 05.06.22

Episode Date: May 6, 2022

In episode 1242, Jack and Miles are joined by writer, director, comedian and host of What Are You Watching?, Chris Mancini to discuss… How The Police Shape Public Opinion, Just a note on our HU...MANITARIAN AID to Ukraine…, Speaking of building community - talking to strangers is actually enjoyable (new study) and more! May The Excessive Force Be With You: "Cool" Star Wars Copaganda Just a note on our HUMANITARIAN AID to Ukraine… Top Pentagon contractors spend less on lobbying as demand for weapons to Ukraine rises Lockheed Martin to Benefit From Increased Defense Spending Speaking of building community - talking to strangers is actually enjoyable (new study) VISIT: whitecatentertainment.com LISTEN: A Song About The Sun by Kurtis WellsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just
Starting point is 00:00:39 starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports.
Starting point is 00:01:04 Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your
Starting point is 00:01:25 podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 235 episode 5 of your daily zeitgeist it's the finale a production of iheart radio and a podcast where you take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness it is friday may 6 2022 which means it's national nurses day all right also don't forget mother's Day coming up, too. Yeah, that is coming up two days. The one who celebrates.
Starting point is 00:02:29 Yeah. If your entire sense of the Zeitgeist comes from this show, do not miss out just because we don't publish on Sundays. Yeah. Things are happening. Get the plans in motion. You got plans? It's not too late. I do.
Starting point is 00:02:47 I do. Okay. We're going to do a little picnic at the LACMA. And then we're going to go inside the LACMA. Okay. And steal a fine work of art. Oh, wow. Okay.
Starting point is 00:02:58 All according to plan. Yeah. I invited my mom over because she wants to see my dog. And then we're going to go out to eat. But she was like, I wants to see my dog and then we're gonna go out to eat but she was like i want to see the dog and i was like sure i miss your dog come by come through that's probably the type of parent i'll be i won't admit to my kids i miss them i'll admit that i miss their their pet oh yeah no i mean my mom she misses me but she i think she very firmly also misses this dog
Starting point is 00:03:26 like it doesn't i don't even know if that's cover she's like i want to see your dog well your mom is a is a pet person as we've covered oh yeah did you see what i posted like yeah i did that's a whole family of possums coming in the house eating her cat food and my mom was just chilling recording like she said again i wish i could keep them as pets but she said their true nature is to be wild so i do not want to limit their freedom i was like okay based mom you know go off very similar to her parenting philosophy with you you know she was like this this young man's true nature is to be wild to be wild that's right um well my name is jack o'brien aka if you could only see the day lee zeitgeist maybe you would understand why i talk this way and sound so tired and drink a ton of dew if you could only see the way that miles can be
Starting point is 00:04:32 when he says when he says tdz that is courtesy of bohemian rhapsody who i had had to reach out to in the DMs and be like, hey, what song is that? But once I heard it, I remembered the hell out of that song. It's Tonic, if you can only see. And then there's that one part where he's like, She no machine, no man, no machine, no. Wait, who does that song?
Starting point is 00:05:05 Tonic. Tonic, bro. Wait, who does that song? Tonic. Tonic, bro. Tonic. Also, their classic album, Lemon Parade. That sounds like a fucked up website. I know. That sounds like they were like, oh, you thought a lemon party was bad. Well, wait till you check out this shit.
Starting point is 00:05:21 Yeah, so Andrew at Bohemian Rhapsody also let me know, just because I've talked about the fact that both the fact that at Bohemian Rhapsody is a great rap city, is a great username. He let me know that he thought up until last year, that's what the song was called. He thought it was called Bohemian Rap City. Oh, hell yeah. Okay. Which, yeah, makes me love it even more. So shout out to you. it was called Bohemian Rap City. Oh, hell yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:05:45 Yeah. Makes me love it even more. So shout out to you. And I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. It's just Miles Gray. Hideo Noho. Wish I could have came with something a little bit wittier, but I was,
Starting point is 00:06:06 I was just blown away by that tonic. AKA.k.a. I really liked that song when it came out, I remember. But it was one of those songs, never knew the name, never knew the artist, but I just knew. It's the heartfelt yarling. Yeah. It really, really does it. So you kind of you kind of that kind of fucked me up
Starting point is 00:06:28 to be honest. So but you mean Rhapsody. It was also a love song to you that if people could only see the way that you can be when you say Tee Deezy that it like just breaks my heart.
Starting point is 00:06:41 I kind of liked it. It had an emotional arc that added new dimensions to our relationship. And we need that to keep things fresh. That's right. Well, Miles,
Starting point is 00:06:50 we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a writer, director, comedian, podcaster, father, who's written comedy, horror, comics, and parenting books,
Starting point is 00:07:00 and who hosts the podcast What Are You Watching? with Chris Mancini, which is an appropriate title because he is chris mancini hey great to be here guys thanks for having me i was thinking of that song in a gata devita it was like the first one that everyone got the name wrong right right yeah yeah like i then realized well it doesn't matter nobody cares enough to correct it so that's just what we're going to call it from now on. Oh, is it because it's in the Garden of Eden?
Starting point is 00:07:28 Yes. Eden, but he was so drunk that it just came out in Enneagada Davida. Yeah. Enneagada Davida. Yeah. That also was another one I also thought was Enneagada Davida for a long time. Yeah. Well, I think if you look at the lyrics,
Starting point is 00:07:47 that's how they have it listed. I might be wrong. The one... So, like, in other news of looking up the lyrics to be like, this must mean something
Starting point is 00:07:58 and I just had it wrong or, like, jumbled it into something. That part where he's like, saying long, but you won't. It's's like saying long but you won't it's saying you love but you don't you give your love but you won't which that doesn't really make sense either man like if you're gonna put something that's like mumbled over it should have
Starting point is 00:08:18 it should repay people when they go try and figure out what the fuck you were saying right sometimes people just go for the rhyme yeah yeah exactly and won't and don't i mean that's that's rhyme smithing yeah chris what's good where are you coming to us from i'm coming from uh los angeles and i don't know for some reason i live in a neighborhood that there's always a tree being cut down so you might hear a little bit of buzz sawing periodically. Shout out the arborists. Getting those checks. And shout out nurses. I feel like I push past nurses a little bit, but nurses are truly the best and do some of the most thankless, difficult work in the American
Starting point is 00:08:59 workforce. Yeah, come on. The pandemic's over. They're not heroes anymore. My bad, my bad. I'm sure for National Nurses Day, they just want the day off. Right. Yeah. How about you just listen when we were begging people to stay safe in the pandemic so we didn't have to see untold horror in the ERs for months on end. But yeah, shout out all the nurses. Shout out all the nurses in my life. You know who you are. And arborists who are the nurses of trees, I guess, in many ways. I didn't realize how important tree maintenance was.
Starting point is 00:09:36 Until I moved somewhere windy and a dude was like, hey, man, you should really trim your tree. The wind is going to just fuck your shit up. Yeah. The city came by, said it was a year and a half waiting list to get a tree trimmed. So I'm like, I think we're going to need to hire a private contractor to do it. Yeah. I don't know if I can wait that long. LA has like super tall palm trees that like almost seem like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:10:04 It's weird how tall some of the palm trees are, but then like a chunk of them will just fall off in the wind we have tall trees and high winds it's great yeah right last well it's because we have like there's a you know all of our palm trees a lot of them are dying because of uh like a fungus oh yeah yeah yeah that's why like you see a lot that are just lopped off like lopped off at the top and stuff like these like sick dying palm trees damn man yeah it's a whole thing shout out to arborist zeitgang this is this is your palm tree palm tree fungus is a hoax so yeah that's what i did hear that's a hoax okay we've got a palm tree all you have to do is drink your own uh palm tree oil palm oil yeah you Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Starting point is 00:10:45 All right, Chris, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. Alec Karakatsanis at it again, letting us know about a public inquiry happening up in San Francisco that looks into how the media division of the San Francisco PD
Starting point is 00:11:02 shapes public opinion, like just how that process works. It usually happens behind closed doors. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about what humanitarian aid means, because that's where a lot of the U.S. money, a lot of U.S. taxpayer money is going to humanitarian aid. And we will try and define that to define that. Yeah, we'll try and define that. We will look at a study that should make you encouraged about the process of building community, talking to strangers, all of that, plenty more.
Starting point is 00:11:36 But first, Chris, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Here's a latest item from my search history where was the enterprise during the dominion war i don't know what those words mean but please tell me uh i'm a big star trek fan i don't know why i didn't get to this until later when they had star trek deep space nine there was a big war but the enterprise was never mentioned from Next Generation, so don't know. And you know what? I will say this didn't get a
Starting point is 00:12:09 satisfying answer from the internet, so I was a little disappointed in all the nerds out there. Really? It's like the tonic lyrics of Star Trek lore. So wait, is it in the chronology of Star Trek, DS9 and TNG are happening at the same time
Starting point is 00:12:27 where that like you're like why didn't why didn't picard pull up like that's exactly exactly yep and what and the and the answer is like are just sort of like like the text equivalent of like shrugging super vague it's like you know where the justice league is when something big happens like they're on assignment somewhere else you know it's like right right yeah, where the Justice League is when something big happens, like they're on assignment somewhere else. You know, it's like, yeah, I'm not buying it. They would. This is this is the A story. They would be here.
Starting point is 00:12:50 Right. They're like, look, if you look back at that time, nobody was going to take the deal. We wanted to bring them back on the show. Yeah. So I don't know where they were. Yeah. Their agents were a bunch of pricks. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:04 Their agents were in a time loop somewhere. Right. Yeah. bunch of pricks yeah their agents were in a uh a time loop somewhere right yeah and yet probably preferable when a fictional universe chooses to ignore like actual historic well i guess not actual but like chooses to ignore those questions rather than like what the eternals did where they were like let's make it part of their story that they were there for the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And then don't actually deal with it in a way that's satisfactory. Yeah. Oh, the way they do it is like, they just had a front row ticket. What's that?
Starting point is 00:13:39 They just had a front row seat for that. Yeah, yeah. And they were just like, dah! Oh, man. All right, should we get out of here yeah we were told not to interfere right yeah until now until our movie until now right right what is something you think is overrated i am a big um hbo fan i like a lot of the shows on there i thought white lotus was overrated on that show that was the show about kind of like this resort,
Starting point is 00:14:05 but it was all about like a lot of like white privilege stuff. And, but it was one of those things where I get it. I don't think I need a whole season for this. And then random shock images of like a guy's junk. Then that would also come up. I think that's like HBO's thing to kind of destigmatize male nudity, which I'm kind of against.
Starting point is 00:14:24 I think we should still stigmatize male nudity. So it's revolting, but keep our revolting genitals out of you. Just, but yeah, I was ever, cause that was one of those things where the internet, a lot of my friends said,
Starting point is 00:14:36 Oh, you're going to love this show. It's great. I'm like, yeah, yeah. I like satire. I like humor.
Starting point is 00:14:41 I like edgy stuff. And I was like, yeah, it just didn't, didn't resonate for me. Didn't connect. Yeah. I, I, I like edgy stuff. And I was like, yeah, it just didn't resonate for me. Didn't connect? Mm-mm. Yeah, I really enjoyed it.
Starting point is 00:14:50 I liked it. The ending sort of left me wanting a little bit more. But the journey there, I had a very, had a fun time. Yeah, I really liked it. Just thinking of like. A white lotus can. Yeah, Jennifer Coolidge was so good. Did it like pick up?
Starting point is 00:15:04 Like, because I watched the first couple episodes and I felt like it wasn't going anywhere. Like, did it, does it pick up like halfway through? What episode did you stop watching? Probably about three. Oh yeah. I mean, it's, it, it, it, it, it starts picking up pace. Like to the point where I remember every week, like everyone working on the show were like, okay, so what the fuck was that? But I get, you know, like it, you know, everything isn't for everybody.
Starting point is 00:15:29 So, yeah, if it didn't catch you, didn't catch the same way. I was like, there's a ton of shows that everyone's like, you got to watch the show. I couldn't get past the first four episodes just for me personally. I mean, where was the Enterprise during White Lotus? I mean, that's what I kind of want to write, too. Right. I also want to know the story behind. I mean, that's what I kind of want to know, too.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Right. I also want to know the story behind. So Natasha Rothwell is played one of the better characters on White Lotus, like a masseuse who is dealing with the bullshit of a very privileged Jennifer Coolidge and is, yeah, she's just a great character. And then in Sonic 2, she gets married at what I think is the same resort as White Lotus. And I'm just wondering, like, did the makers of Sonic 2, like, see White Lotus? And they were like, okay, like, that's, we got to do that. Because it really is a very strange decision on their part to have like visually to see natasha rothwell in that location yeah it was like they they just did they have a deal like where is it
Starting point is 00:16:34 the same production company and they had a deal with like you know two for ones because it's uh yeah like when you're watching the movie you're like, why is so much of this movie Sonic 2 a wedding in Hawaii? They're setting up the White Lotus Sonic Cinematic Universe. Exactly. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. When that new season of White Lotus is coming out, so maybe we can expect to see Robotnik.
Starting point is 00:17:01 See, now I'm getting on board. Now, again, now I'm going to give it another chance. See, you had'm gonna give it another chance you had to be patient man you had to be patient what's sonic's role in all of this where does tails come in and like is sonic like in it like is the next one sonics just like plays like a like a boomer or like gen x type character he's like out of touch and like i don't know like what's going on yeah it's a lesson from knuckles yeah yeah exactly knuckles knuckles is uh not knuckles is around in sonic too and i don't know i don't think they did knuckles justice with it with this depiction i'll just leave it there i don't want to get too controversial that's what that I'm going to say. Well, did they at least keep him as an echidna?
Starting point is 00:17:48 Yeah, I think they did. As best I could tell. We showed up late. But I'm pretty sure. Jack, you weren't watching Sonic the Hedgehog. That was a lot of weird stuff in there. Yeah. And the sex scene, like on the wedding night, was just, I don't know, unexpectedly graphic.
Starting point is 00:18:07 What's something you think is underrated? Two things, actually. One of them is The Expanse. I really love that show. And that was a show that I kind of got to a little later, like a hard science fiction. It was on the SyFy channel. Then Amazon picked it up. And it was kind of like a good way to kind of like look at like, well, where can science fiction go from now?
Starting point is 00:18:24 Like we have Star Trek. We have all these other shows but i i what i liked about it is it kind of showed like what would near future spaceships really look like and how would they work and would they have gravity and why would the sound designer have to put in the uh sound of every single boot clacking because it was magnetic onto every ship so i thought it was uh it was a good show so did you guys see the expanse i know but this is a take we hear a lot so many people like it was uh it was a good show so did you guys see the expanse i know but this is a take we hear a lot so many people like it was it's like the most slept on sci-fi show that's like the best show that i've ever seen is something i've heard pretty for sure yeah it's really well thought out and it one of the problems with it is like you could tell it was
Starting point is 00:19:00 like sci-fi channel budget so the effects not, not everything is up to par with, you know, recent shows. But you could kind of overlook those flaws because the storytelling is and just the world building is really good. Yeah. The enemy spaceships are actually like pie tins on string. Yeah. Plan 9 stuff. Yeah. And the other thing I think is really underrated is science i think uh i think people should be more into it it's really helpful it should get a lot more
Starting point is 00:19:35 credit just science in general where do you see where do you see people not or people undervaluing it too much everywhere so for the most part, everything from, you know, obviously medical science and things about infectious diseases, but also like, I really feel like there's a lot more technology and development. We can be doing everything from like energy to, you know, more efficient travel to all of these things. And I think that there's a lot less credit that's being given to like, and these innovations that should, it should be happening a lot quicker that should be being subsidized to make everyone's journey a little bit easier.
Starting point is 00:20:16 Yeah. I have a six year old and a four year old Chris and the like there, I I've like been reintroduced to how cool science is just like through the things that they're interested in like seeing them encounter like sea life for the first time and yes a man like what a mantis shrimp can do and uh you know just watching like underwater documentaries that was also like i was obsessed with jaws because it was a shark that ate people and i was a weird kid but like like that you know sharks were one of the first things i was obsessed with i think a lot of people like hit the world just amazed and like
Starting point is 00:20:59 super interested in science and then we like have it ground out of us i guess but just the on rush of like other more practical things or even i guess but just the on rush of like other more practical things or even like yeah like you're saying your kids like like big trucks and like machinery and trucks that's all technological like all the stuff yeah and you're like dad how's it able to lift that you're like i can't explain pneumatic pistons and shit i don't know man it's a fucking machine but i get that. Like, yeah, as kids, we have so many questions. And like, when it brushes up against, you know, like science as a kid, I remember going like this science museum for kids.
Starting point is 00:21:33 And that was like my favorite place to go because it was like a physical space where I saw like cause and effect or began to understood how things like worked. You have that curiosity as a kid. And, you know, I think as adults, if we could recapture some of that, especially in the, you know, scientific fields, and even just to support those, those endeavors, it's, you know, the the scientists of today are the teachers of tomorrow. And these kids coming up that are curious, you know, they could, you know, make these innovations and make things better. But, you know, it has to be encouraged. I feel like, you know, science has gotten demonized lately with
Starting point is 00:22:08 like, well, no, that's that's junk. And just listen to us, not not the scientists. Like, that's a bad road to go down. Right. It's yeah, it's wild, too, because I think so many of like, as you become an adult, we're just less wowed by the things that technology or science and research has like afforded us and we're like oh yeah cool like now my phone knows where i'm at right and like yeah cool now my camera is like even smaller than this pinhole and you're like yeah without like nasa investment we don't get half of those things so that's like the little bit of consumer trickle down from you know investing in science i mean even like military spending, it's, it's, you don't even realize that like some of the stuff, like literally like stereo came from like, you know, military development. Like,
Starting point is 00:22:52 like there's a lot of innovations that trickle down from the most least expected places, but then we use them as consumers. Imagine what we could accomplish if like all those billions of billions of dollars, we're going to talk about the budget that is allocated to military spending. But imagine if like instead of like just happening to glance against like stereo by accident like that, we were just like, hey, what if we spent all this money and tried to like make cool shit instead of just like the most efficient way to kill a city full of people we came up with stereo because we wanted to be able to hear the explosions around town right yeah but yeah i guess we could maybe have a different mission which would be like right how do we you know how do we really uh conserve water in the most efficient way and be able to desalinate it desalinize it and maybe get it other places i don't know or we hey, this drone I made can blow up a fucking warship, though.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Yeah, we're headed towards either Warhammer 40K or Horizon Zero Dawn. One of those. Right. We're going in that direction. Jack, I know as a big gamer, you knew exactly where we were at with that one. Yeah. I'm keeping my mouth shut because I disagree.
Starting point is 00:24:04 I think we're headed to a different specific video game reference that I'm not going to make right now because I don't want to start a whole thing. You wanted it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:11 You don't want to, you want to help hold back your Aloy hot takes. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Great underrated. Totally agree.
Starting point is 00:24:20 Also like the desalination plants on aircraft carriers are like crazy. It's funny that that's what we... You're talking like a kid now. You just got back from a museum. Yeah, well, I just read about that because my kids are obsessed with like, you know, aircraft carriers and shit. And it's like they produce like cities worth of water out of seawater just out there every day.
Starting point is 00:24:42 Yeah. But got to keep those floating war bases yeah although i don't know if the real news around the navy is like there there's real problems happening on a lot of these ships at the moment just checking in with your defense news at the moment yeah all right let's take a quick break we'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and L.A.-based Shekinah Church,
Starting point is 00:25:28 an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.
Starting point is 00:26:09 And I'm Jimei Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions. Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or, can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice.
Starting point is 00:26:36 And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do. Like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it like you miss 100% of the shots you never take? Yeah, rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:27:10 I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Why is that? I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for
Starting point is 00:27:48 the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple
Starting point is 00:28:04 Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do.
Starting point is 00:28:23 One session. 24 hours bpm 110 120 she's terrified should we wake her up absolutely not what was that you didn't figure it out i think i need to hear you say it that was live audio of a woman's nightmare this This machine is approved and everything? You're allowed to be doing this? We passed the review board a year ago. We're not hurting people. There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:28:55 They're just dreams. Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from Blumhouse Television, iHeartRadio, and Realm. Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And another thread from Alec Karakatsan, that I found instructive in providing information that I think is criminally underreported. So there's an inquiry happening in San Francisco into how the media divisions of these police forces operate.
Starting point is 00:29:35 They found out the director of this propaganda unit costs $289,000 of taxpayer dollars a year. That's what they're making. That's for one person? That's right. They have a full-time videographer who costs taxpayers $120,000 and cops have been using videographers to try to combat the bad press that comes from people just holding up cameras
Starting point is 00:30:03 and showing what they actually do to their communities. Like they're like, well, what if instead of those videos, you were watching this video? For instance, Alec linked off to this LA Sheriff's Department video that, I don't know, Miles, were you able to watch this? Should we just watch it together? Let's experience this. There's no words,
Starting point is 00:30:30 so we'll just kind of describe what's happening. There's no words, but also, I think Chris will really enjoy this as someone who likes sci-fi. Yeah. And presumably the LA Sheriff's Department. You must love that. It says, a short time ago in a hangar not so far away. Okay, we see a
Starting point is 00:30:46 police fucking chopper and BB-8 just popped into frame and then shoots the police helicopter and then cross wipe Lucas style to the helicopter taking off.
Starting point is 00:31:02 Wishing everyone a happy Star Wars day and may the fourth be with you may the fourth be with you unless you are unless you're loitering on a caruso owned shopping property in which case we will bludgeon you and tell you to leave now is this separate from what you guys like from like helmet cams and body cams well yeah like no yeah like they have a they have like a position where it's like where's our video guy to like shoot our videos because like a separate like division yes yes yeah yeah it is a propaganda wing that's like effectively what it is and they
Starting point is 00:31:38 spend a lot of money like both reaching out to the media i i don't know what that creating videos like that where i'm not sure what the implication was. I know BB-8 shot electricity at various things and sometimes fixed them maybe in the sequels. Yeah, but how it relates to the police and their choppers that use way too much fuel. Yeah. Anyways, this is the LA.A. Sheriff's Department
Starting point is 00:32:06 that's riddled with the history of, you know, white supremacist gangs, extrajudicial murder. I didn't know all the details of the, like, I knew that they had leaked the photos of Kobe and his daughter's dead bodies and then that Vanessa Bryant was suing them. I did not know that they had subpoenaed her like therapy records and got them released to the court which is like fucking terrifying just for anyone in therapy the
Starting point is 00:32:33 idea that the police can be like well we need to show evidence that you are fucked up so we're gonna like do this to discredit you like that's like madmen that's that that's like some shit for madmen isn't there like patient doctor confidentiality like nah not a fan not when it's the la sheriff's department and yeah so in that video but by create by having this division they are able to pump out videos where they're the good guys i thought the most important revelation is that this unit in San Francisco and presumably many other units like San Francisco is not the most well-funded propaganda operation. They are just the one that got taken to a community hearing where this stuff was revealed. have what when like the police murder someone a sergeant has ordered all members of the media relations team their propaganda unit should closely monitor social media for posts video etc related to the killing and so like they're going to go after people who post videos try and get videos taken down and also just you know they have they're fighting it
Starting point is 00:33:47 like at the very beginning of any sort of public outcry you have a covert propaganda unit that is out there trying to sway public opinion or get people to ignore shit right yeah but now to be clear bb8 won't be in every video? That, like, that remains to be seen. Yeah. That's why you got to follow the Sheriff's Twitter account, fan. You might get more BB-8 clips.
Starting point is 00:34:15 They got 80 likes on that one. So. I mean, that video, I mean, granted, it's not the San Francisco PD, so clearly their budgets must be lower for their videographer but like that had big my uncle just got an iphone they got that one droid with the legs at the bottom and
Starting point is 00:34:32 then that's it that's yeah exactly and like because i when you show me that video i'm like wait i have the app that makes those video clips it's called like movie action movie cam or something and it just overlays it's just, you know, ridiculous little graphics things over whatever video you shoot. But the fact that then like the sheriff's department is like, then that's how we're going to curry favor and create common ground with the people we oppress. about the police murdering someone in your community, you are taking on a propaganda unit that is well-funded and that has shown that they will go after the therapy records of the grieving widow of a national hero and local God like that and got away with it. So I don't know. It's never,
Starting point is 00:35:21 it's never the issue is what happened. That's bad. We need to sort that out. It's always, who the fuck told you that? Yep. How'd you hear that? How'd you find out? Who the fuck told you that approach to fixing your issues?
Starting point is 00:35:34 Same thing with Villanueva. And like, you know, John Oliver even touched on it on his show last week of just how this guy, there was a clip of this person who was being detained, was getting knelt on. guy there was a clip of this person who was being detained was getting knelt on and he like Villanueva his response was I think there's a conspiracy how'd that thing get leaked and also I had never seen the clip
Starting point is 00:35:53 he did the leak thing? oh yeah yeah he was like he put up a poster board of like a couple people including like an LA Times reporter who he was like he's like and this is like this could be the network of deception that allowed this clip of what happened to emerge. That's the real crime. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:09 Yeah. So it's always the who the fuck told you that whenever that many come out and say that there were not going to be any charges filed against that reporter. Right. Yeah. But like, yeah, because, again, you're like this. This doesn't look good. Yeah. because again you're like this you this doesn't look good yeah the the la times they have an entire barrel full of lawyers just ready and waiting to go so that's there's certain places
Starting point is 00:36:32 you don't want to mess with right and also like they can't mess up their relationship the la times and the lapd usually play nice together like they carry water for them like i feel like at some point it was like okay i can't burn the the spot because we need you guys to say that people were attacked when they were protesting Roe being over relationship stress testing. up recently because we were mentioning how biden would gave his statement about how how teed off he was about the row uh being overturned while walking into a lockheed martin factory to check out the aid in quotes that was going to ukraine but yeah let's talk about it i mean well yes on his way into lockheed a lockheed facility where like literal javelin anti-tank munitions are being made that are you know that are being used in ukraine he's like you gotta vote and also the reminder that when i say that i mean american people should only be engaged one day of the year and then don't look at what we're
Starting point is 00:37:43 doing until election day and then we'll dress some stuff up and then that'll the year and then don't look at what we're doing until election day. And then we'll dress some stuff up and then that'll motivate you. And then please unplug. So as he goes in there, you know, we got that whole thing about, you know, you got to vote. And just the absurdity of it was I, it really struck me of him walking into this Lockheed facility while, you know, America is in the middle of such a crisis of curtailing rights or just, you know, legalizing all kinds, all forms of discrimination. So, you know, a lot of the news has swirled around like the amount of aid the U.S. is sending to Ukraine and whether or not the U.S. is like seizing on this to fight like a full blown proxy war with Russia, which most people like,
Starting point is 00:38:21 yeah, it's a lot of that's a lot of a lot of weapons going that way. And the way the Pentagon's talking, it's like, and Russia could be, you know, you know, taken down forever as a result of this war. Um, so we're seeing a lot, a lot, a lot of, of defensive weapons going that way. And I, I understand it's vitally important that Ukrainians are able to protect themselves from a Russian invasion. And most people are of that belief, unless you're on Fox news or on some other shit. Where things get a little weird is when you look at the amounts of money being spent, because Biden just made, I just want to put it in perspective. I'm not here to say like, you shouldn't like, you can't be helping these people, but just to understand how money moves around and the amounts in which they're moving and the
Starting point is 00:39:01 amounts of which we've seen very little for things that actually help the people that live here. He made a request for $33 billion. The U.S. has already sent $14 billion, which is exponentially more than they sent since the annexation of Crimea in 2014. So if Congress okays this $33 billion, the total will come to $47 billion, and Ukraine, within just a couple months, would become one of the largest recipients of aid since 1946, second only to Israel, Iraq, Egypt, and Afghanistan. They'll jump the charts real quick. Is it all mixed together? Is it all mixed together? Like, this is aid, this includes humanitarian, military weapons or is it like kind of broken up i mean if you actually look at the bills like as they're you know being proposed you can tell how they're being broken down in that first 14 billion i only about like i think less than 4 billion was actually for weapons most of it was for like food and other things to help people get resettled and any like refugee assistance that's needed in this 33 billion 20 billion is going to weapons now
Starting point is 00:40:07 and this is all happening when we talk about this all the time you see child poverty homelessness restrictions on body autonomy there's all the terrible levels but very quickly we're saying like yeah we need we need 20 billion for the military industrial complex and i just want to underline underline this relationship that we have with military spending, because due to the invasion of Ukraine, defense companies have been like pissing themselves silly with glee over the amounts of money that's being spent. The head of Raytheon was putting like this whole situation like this on like a call, right? So initially, while first quarter defense earnings
Starting point is 00:40:45 actually declined due to basically because weapons makers are like, we're not dealing with Russia anymore. They're like, fuck, that was a huge client. They said those profits are going to rebound thanks to Biden's massive investment. On an earnings call last week, Raytheon CEO Greg Hayes said defense spending, which was already set to increase before the Russian invasion, is on a better trajectory, quote, better than what we had expected. And hell, yeah, this is how it's talked on an earnings call, right? Oh, it's better than we expected, folks. These things that just destroy human life.
Starting point is 00:41:17 It's the money is coming through, though. And there's another article from Yahoo that talks about military spending. And there's another article from Yahoo that talks about military spending. And the way it sounds, you would think it was written by an algorithm that knows nothing of human suffering and has just like an always on boner for defense spending. Goes like this. As one of the global superpowers, the U.S. often gets involved in wars around the rest of the world today. I'm sorry. That's just the wildest sentence. old today. I'm sorry. That's just the wildest first sentence. Toward the end of last year,
Starting point is 00:41:50 the U.S. government approved one of the largest defense spending bills in history at a value of $777.7 billion. This gives a direct advantage to the contractors who land more work as part of these massive defense spending bills. With its presence in every U.S. state, Lockheed Martin will undoubtedly land a lot of government contracts, as per usual. The share price of the company has surged 18% since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, as this conflict is likely to result in many governments boosting their defense bills. Defense equipment manufactured by Lockheed is already seeing increasing demand as the U.S. and its allies are purchasing this equipment to send to Ukraine. For the next fiscal year, the Biden administration has proposed an $813 billion defense budget,
Starting point is 00:42:27 which is even higher than the amount allocated for this year. Yay! We probably got COVID aid, too, like before all this happened. We probably got paid twice. This is like, so... $813 billion. The wild part, right, is throughout all this, 813 billion. The wild part, right, is throughout all this, we're also seeing that defense companies, they're actually spending less on lobbying this year because they know the fear of the war spilling over in other parts of Europe.
Starting point is 00:42:56 They don't need to lobby. Like they really you can just tell by the lobbying money that's spent. It's complete. It's so fucking different. Like millions less than this time last year right because there's bean counters going well do we need to spend it here probably not no and when and when you look at how that that money like that the influence works right they've spent right over two and a half billion dollars since like you know 2000 basically or
Starting point is 00:43:24 i'd say roughly probably around like we'll call it 9-11 because that's really when shit took off and when you look at what comes back that 2.6 billion ended up in 14 trillion or like that from there like half of that like for the 14 trillion that was allocated to the dod during that, about half of that went to those defense contractors. So their return on investment, like for Lockheed in 2020, the $5,808 they got from DOD contracts, that's like their return was for every dollar spent,
Starting point is 00:43:58 they got $5,800 in contracts back. Wow, that's pretty good. That's like crypto returns. Yeah, exactly. that's some fucking total shit if i've ever seen it but that's that this is how you know they see the conflicts they said this is who we need to spend with we know who to talk to and we can continue to spend this money and this is all while we're looking at things like people's fucking health insurance not being you know we have no we have no stable public health insurance, not being, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:25 we have no, we have no stable public health insurance. We have nothing to offer people in terms of childcare or anything, but just let that sit of how easily we can always just lop off a billions of dollars for defense spending. And people have to literally pull up to the Capitol, like hooked up to medical machines to try and show politicians that these are human beings that could benefit from, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:51 more progressive policy. And lobbying has become different, too. Like if it used to be like, you know, one company had a lobbyist, they would go and try to lobby the, you know, the congressman or the senators or, you know, just the government in general. Now there's like lobbying companies that just kind of have an umbrella. Like I represent these defense contractors and whatever. So basically the lobbying is kind of pooled together for the industries as a whole. So it becomes even less personal, I guess you would say, because it's all, well, money needs to flow into this industry. We're not, we're less concerned with which company anymore. Yeah. And I i think at that point the politicians know which companies it is because i'm like yeah do you know that because that's like you know like the trades go around
Starting point is 00:45:34 it's like oh which firm has that contract okay now i know when i get a knock on my door from that that means boeing or whoever and it just dwarfs like everything else that we spend what we put the rest of our money towards like as a as a country as a people like it's it's just a like print money button for the u.s economy that like they realize the the public doesn't really blame them for or judge if they if they decide to like put make the defense budget like they're still testing like to be like how high can we fucking make this thing before somebody pushes back like at this point the numbers just seem imaginary to people and everyone wants to feel safe and you get to call it a defense budget um and defense wins championships as you know so we just put put it in the t's put it in
Starting point is 00:46:27 the trillions baby and it's i mean like for example right to bring the almost six million families that live in poverty in the united states like to like the kind of uh injection of income they would need would cost around 46 billion dollars in a year to lift those families out of poverty and also like the hundred like maybe 200 000 or so children that aren't with their families that spending would lift those people out of poverty like if you began to even invest on that level if you just did a raw thing of like just give these people cash and they'll be out of poverty that price tags around 47 million, 47 billion dollars. Right. I mean, even Elon Musk, if he would have paid the the U.N., the the food bank,
Starting point is 00:47:12 like that would have actually helped to get a lot of people fed because they said, here's how we're going to spend your five or six billion or whatever. And then, OK, great. And then he never he never gave the money. Yeah. So I think the other issue is, if you're not really engaged and you just get your news from the local news or CNN or whatever, no one's going to talk.
Starting point is 00:47:35 When are they going to say military industrial complex on that channel? Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like fucking Voldemort. Don't fucking bring it up like Voldemort. Like, don't fucking bring it up. Like,
Starting point is 00:47:48 that's not what we do here. And that's like, it's too real. Just be like, well, with increased budgets. And I get that. Like, it feels good to know that there are people in need that need assistance and
Starting point is 00:47:56 we're providing that. And I think that's the cover they use to then be like, okay, now let's fucking, let's hook up Raytheon. Right. Let's hook up Lockheed. And, and we get it too, because those the same you know we talked about revolving doors you end up leaving
Starting point is 00:48:12 raytheon you might get in the pentagon and insert yourself there into a better decision making position bring more contracts to raytheon you leave the pentagon you're back at raytheon like it's just it's that absurdity. And whenever it's talked about, I feel like you see it, like, in a very quick segment, like, on, like, a more fringe host show on a news network. And then it's just kind of, like, glossed over rather than, like, putting in front of people the absurdity of how we have completely de-emphasized helping people. It's good. Like, it's very clear. Like it couldn't be more, uh, in your face than when you look at things.
Starting point is 00:48:49 I think it even goes beyond that sometimes where we've de-emphasized the people, like, you know, they're like less worthy of help. And that's, that's really tragic when you look at like, uh, well, you know, these people, a lot of people need help. Well, yeah, but there's other things, we have other priorities. I'm like, well, no, there's still people. They need help. And I think that's, you know, even worse. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:13 But it's also they break it down into little chunks in terms of the numbers. And, you know, the Green New Deal, they total up to that's 93 trillion over the course of 100 years. And like, don't give any of the cost savings that would happen by not destroying the planet Earth. But on this, they're like, all right. So all we're asking for is 33 billion in aid this month. Like, it's like 13 goes to kids and stuff and helps out and then another 30 i don't i mean honestly i don't know how much raytheon's overcharging for some of this shit man but uh oh yeah we'll get them the javelins there aren't enough people in the world like we we we have
Starting point is 00:49:58 talked about this before in in regards to like how immorally wealthy like a billionaire has to be like the fact that you know a billion seconds is like hundreds of years well a million yeah whatever billion is a huge number and when you're talking about like these numbers like that shit just like goes missing like billions of dollars
Starting point is 00:50:20 just go missing like people can fucking steal billions of dollars easily like it doesn't you could build whim farms all over the planet for that yeah to create a renewable energy yeah actually like somebody somebody who works in the pentagon should just be like miss misallocating funds to wind farms to the construction of wind farms like that might be the only way we can do it. Maybe we could create a missile that when it lands,
Starting point is 00:50:48 it converts into a wind turn by. So we could shoot them into countries and then harvest the energy. They're like forced renewables. I mean. Yeah. We're going to carpet bomb you with solar panels. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:02 Yeah. I mean, because there was that tweet that kind of went viral when Elon was, you know, was buying Twitter, where they're giving you a perspective of how much money $44 billion was. And there is that tweet that was basically saying, like, if you made $200,000 every single day since, you know, whatever date we say Columbus came to the new world in 1492, if you spent, if you made $200,000 every day since that day, you still wouldn't have $44 billion. You'd have $39 billion. Think about that. You could be a fucking baller-ass vampire making 200 racks a day.
Starting point is 00:51:41 And then you're like, fuck, man, I've been alive since 1492 on my grind and i can't even match these fucking people yeah well maybe maybe that's what elon musk is i mean is there any there might be some pictures of him from the 1930s that haven't come out yet yeah maybe who who knows but yeah it it really is it's just these are staggering amounts of money and uh god i feel like you know a responsible like newspaper would always put a note to like what however billion dollars are being spent on like killing machines or police nonsense how that how that translates to good for the regular person i mean there's plenty of sites where you can aggregate find this information but like's like, I feel like that's the only way you could slowly erode at
Starting point is 00:52:28 that for someone who could say, look at 33 billion and be like, no, 33 billion, like gets all the water pipes working here. That changes our, our energy mix that does this. It does that, but it is what it is. And I'm sorry, I'm still kind of thinking about a t-shirt that says vampire baller on it. So I think that would be kind of cool if you guys made that. Yeah, thank you. Right. Just in the cut.
Starting point is 00:52:50 But also just very, very sour, though, that he still doesn't even have proper billionaire money. He didn't quite make it. Yeah. He's like, I tried to do it ethically, man. Yeah. I tried to do it ethically. I could only buy MySpace. Right.
Starting point is 00:53:07 By the way, 44 billion seconds is 1,364 years. That's frightening. Just start your timer now and you'll get there. Thank God they're banning math books. I don't want to hear about any of this. Yeah. How long do they ban calculators? Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:57:31 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we have been talking about, in in recent days the need for a community, the fact that we are bad at it in modern America, the fact that there is a loneliness epidemic caused by, you know, various things, but at least partially social media and just being isolated from one another. And the pandemic obviously didn't help. And for me personally, when I'm away from people, that is when I am most in fear of being around people. Like, so if I haven't seen somebody in a year, I'm like, do I really want to see this person again? And like, those are the people I love like those people who are like my best friends and shit and i'm like oh man uh it's gonna be so awkward we're gonna run out of things to say to each other uh what am i supposed to say like hey dad and it's like no it's your dad man like that's
Starting point is 00:58:38 it love you pa but yeah like that's so i you know, that there is at least personally for me and I feel like other people might feel this way, like some aversion, aversion and like a hardening and sort of a momentum that like loneliness and isolating can kind of pick up momentum a little bit right and there's a new study that strikes me as like true and yeah yeah i think i like this well i think what just like we're saying right like it's clear that one of the more potent forces for good is when people work together collectively and look out for each other uh that and that in times like this it's even more important right to to look at somebody in your community and get to know them to to try and like again build the community and like you're saying i'm the same way the idea of speaking to a stranger in my mind is like i'm like who's this fucking person they're gonna be a piece of shit i don't know they probably don't like
Starting point is 00:59:38 anything i fucking like i don't want to just say some shit to be friendly fuck that like suddenly you'll just become this curmudgeon because I have this sort of anticipation of how I think this interaction with a person I have never met because somehow in this version, I'm a fortune teller. Uh, I know exactly what the outcome is. And in this study that came out, they were really testing this of like, what is the effect of having a conversation with a stranger? Is it, is it so bad or is it actually enriching? And the study found that people, you know, as they wrote down what their expectations were and then what they actually, their recorded results were after speaking, people were
Starting point is 01:00:14 incorrectly believed that their quote conversations would become more and more dull and awkward over time. Instead conversations lasting up to half an hour resulted in either stable or increasing levels of enjoyment. So that's that's a nice thing to hear. Oh, like that. Yeah. The idea to speak to a stranger is like, yeah, you know, and I've, you know, been a comic and toured the country, you know, over years and years and met all sorts of, you know, different people. And, and this article is 100% true. Like it was always much better than in my head. I was anticipating, like, you know, when you meet strangers and people, and it's a really encouraging article, because a like I said, like, I thought I was the only one that didn't look forward to every single interaction with other human beings and uh right and also that it's always better than you think yeah and so they brought in over a thousand people to conduct this research right they would they would put together people in pairs they'd meet chat for a few minutes then they'd break they would leave record their assessment of the conversation then they would record how much enjoyment they were getting from the discussion. And then also asked to predict their future levels of enjoyment or, you know, satisfaction from speaking to the stranger. And then they'd go back to the person and kind of do this over and over. And over time, again, like the results are saying, people were not running out of things to talk about. And they found the experiment very pleasant. people were not running out of things to talk about and they found the experiment very pleasant and in one of the they did five different experiments in one of the experiments right participants had the option to either cut a conversation short or they would be required
Starting point is 01:01:54 to speak for an extra 25 minutes and the group that had the option to or the group that was asked to speak longer they were they reported much higher levels of enjoyment than the group that was able to cut the conversation they were, they reported much higher levels of enjoyment than the group that was able to cut the conversation off when they, when they felt comfortable. Were they podcasters? They were only children. Yeah. And, and I think, again, you know, we really underestimate the fact just that how curious we are, even back to talking about science and being a kid and observing children, like we are curious creatures or social animals. And a lot of the enjoyment for people merely came from just finding out more about the other person that they were just inquisitive that they're like, oh yeah, I'm the thing that really motivated people was this sort of idea that they wanted
Starting point is 01:02:42 to actually just learn more about this person they had just met. And I think that's a really interesting thing that we really lose is that like how powerful conversation actually is. It's, I think because of social media and how, especially in the last few years, so many people are even more and more, you know, disconnected and emotions are running high and going into very pessimistic places yeah that just merely connecting with a person and saying hey like hey i'm this person no you do this great it helps tremendously because it dispels all of these illusions and like you said
Starting point is 01:03:18 fortune telling that we have about another person you know the best way to eliminate that is to actually be around that person yeah i'm embarrassed by how much of a revelation it was to me when i like when i stopped drinking i was like how will i ever like talk to people ever again and my wife who is brilliant and also great i i assumed naturally social person. She's like, no, you just ask them about themselves. And I was like, oh, right, and they're dumb, so they're going to like talking about themselves.
Starting point is 01:03:53 But no, it's actually that people are interesting. And so by asking them about themselves, you learn new interesting things about them, and then you build on that like a human conversation i believe is what what they're called um but like yeah i i was just some and sometimes they're dumb
Starting point is 01:04:14 but yeah and then they like talking about themselves and you can always just be like uh-huh and then you start you open up your bank of, you know, I'm going to remember this for comedy purposes. Right. You're like, for my next conversation. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We are.
Starting point is 01:04:33 It's so helpful. And like you're saying, like in so many levels, it helps a to demystify or make people less obscure to us where we might be projecting all kinds of shit of who we think somebody is based on merely just looking at them right to connect to a human being that that is truly going to begin to erode things like you're not just seeing somebody who's walking their dog and you see every now and then that person now becomes this person with a name who you know actually is from this part of the country or another country and you have this in common and now when you see them, you have a
Starting point is 01:05:09 connection to them. Not to say that you're best friends, but when you walk by that person again, you say, hey, what's up person that I met last week? You don't have to be best friends, but that already, you're already beginning to see who is in your community and connecting with them.
Starting point is 01:05:26 And I just think in general, yeah, it's good to remind ourselves that just in general, things are never as fucked up as we think they're going to be as it relates to like our social anxiety where we're like, damn, man, this is going to be fucking weird when I talk to this person or I got to go to this thing. And it's never as bad as we have. We make it out to be in our minds. For sure. Well, Chris, it's been truly a pleasure having you on The Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Well, it's been great. Thanks a lot for having me on. The best place to go is to my new company. It's WhiteCatEntertainment.com. I just created it. It's a storytelling company,
Starting point is 01:06:04 you know, right when the pandemic was hitting, which is a great time to start a new company, by the way. So you can find like the podcast, What Are You Watching? And I have one that can help people with anxiety if any of the news is getting too much. It's called The Quiet Journeys of Professor Atwood. And then there's graphic novels and all sorts of stuff there on the website. But you can get everything and subscribe to the podcast. They're all free at whitecatentertainment.com. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? There was, and I've seen it a couple of times. And it was right after the
Starting point is 01:06:39 Roe v. Wade thing got leaked. There was an image of a handmaid's tale and, but her emails that was underneath. There you go. And it was, um, but then it wasn't just one. There was like, I think 10 different variations of it.
Starting point is 01:06:55 So it like went like everywhere really fast and everyone was creating them. So it was, it was a kind of a fun thing. A true meme. Yeah. Just shit posting through the chaos. That's right. Miles,
Starting point is 01:07:06 where can people find you? What's the tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, let's see. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at miles of gray. You can also check out the other pod for 20 day fiance. And also if you like basketball, come by,
Starting point is 01:07:20 check out miles and Jack got mad boosties. Yo, yo. Talking to NBA constantly. Um um let's see man there's a lot of good tweets i i have to choose one to okay um um okay this one uh i got a couple at very important because it's friday i'm gonna dose myself at friday at very important tweeted zoom psychiatrist so the medication are you still feeling okay on your current dose me in other tab typing she sook yawn on my stevens into twitter what yeah yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:07:52 um ayana murray uh i a and a at ayana murray tweeted watched everything everywhere all at once and the whole cinema was laughing at the rock scene yeah really funny i thought as i quietly sobbed that one cut straight through yeah i was like laughing and crying at that scene yeah yeah yeah and then jordan seals uh tweeted at judy squirrels trying to get myself out of bed by repeating come on Barbie, let's go party, in increasingly strange voices. Some tweets I've been enjoying. I'm on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien,
Starting point is 01:08:36 where you can find me enjoying tweets like these. The Fruit Freak tweeted, if Bowser kidnapped my wife, I would not be saying, wahoo, no matter how fun the jump was. Benak tweeted, If Bowser kidnapped my wife, I would not be saying, Wahoo! No matter how fun the jump was. Ben Rosen tweeted, Yeah, I like A24.
Starting point is 01:08:51 Giving the cashier A20 for one ticket to Morbius. And then Abdullah Elementary School tweeted, Every worker deserves an indoor basketball court steps away from their desk like the NBA on TNT team. I just think that's true. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and
Starting point is 01:09:16 a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do we think people might enjoy? Good. I just stumbled upon a new artist named Curtis Wells describes as a producer, arranger, songwriter and singer. Trinidadian diaspora, United States transient, Berlin habitant.
Starting point is 01:09:42 And man, like this, this track track it's called a song about the sun and it's the vibe of it is like if kevin parker from tame impala was black it's like it feels like black tame impala that's how i that's just kind of my first instinct sonically of how i hear it and not to take anything away from either people but if you do like that sort of like psyche uh rock style of tame apollo that has like good strong backbeat to it this is that and like good falsetto vocals so this is curtis wells with a song about the sun all right well go check that out the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you listen your favorite shows's going to do it for us this morning. But we are back this afternoon to tell you
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