The Daily Zeitgeist - MJGMB #115: Finals Talk and Rest vs Rust with Warren Shaw

Episode Date: May 30, 2024

The guys were joined by podcaster and co-owner of 19 Media Group Warren Shaw on the latest episode. They discussed the Celtics and potential matchup thoughts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Qualified. Technically. On a technicality. On a technicality. Just merely because they won a best of seven series i don't know i don't know does that mean what i think it means all right look enough of that um but look meanwhile the timberwolves were actually able to extend the series in game four uh as we head into tonight's game five back in minnesota we'll get into all of that and plenty more with podcaster Warren Shaw on today's episode.

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Embiid driving, spinning, fading, hitting! And bronx got it with five he's gonna try another three mr lebron james orin shaw welcome to the show co-host of the baseline nba podcast host of dope interviews co-owner of 19 media group and celtics fan thank you so much for joining us well well well if it wasn't time for you to truly sip on our tears dying on our sadness what better time to have picked um at least at least before the final so we can at least pretend maybe there's a chance that the celtics don't win an 18th championship but hey a boy can dream kenny how you been man well listen before the final so we can at least pretend maybe there's a chance that the celtics don't win an 18th championship but hey a boy can dream kenny how you been man well listen it's very big of the

both of you to invite me on this platform you know at this time of the year yeah after we have clinched our second finals in in the last three years and six conference finals in the last seven years i'm i do appreciate that i think that's very very big of the two of you so i'm looking forward to an exciting conversation yes well you sound like you sound like the celtic subreddit right now like the celtic subreddit is disgusting right now it's so they're just like you know what what's going to be the sweetest part i think it's dancing on their graves tatum wearing the nba finals mvp ring for all these haters. There's a Finals MVP ring? Fine.

For this example, yes. Yes, there is. But yeah, we will get into that for sure. There's a lot happening. Also, earlier this week or over the weekend, we lost a legend, Bill Walton. The great Bill Walton passed away at 71. Far too soon yeah i i did not realize that he was battling cancer so that uh yeah i didn't either as a bit of a surprise

you know one of the great commentators too i still think throw it down big man still like one of my favorites one of the most unique one of the great commentators my dad was friendly with him my dad coached in the league and i once overheard them talking to each other my grandfather was also really close to him yeah said he was one of the greatest human beings i think yeah but my dad was greeting him was like how have you been bill and he was like oh i'm terrible i'm horrible at my job about commentating. I was like, yo, you're like one of the best, man. What are you talking about?

Oh, man. And one of my fellow Bruins. But yeah, rest in peace to Bill Walton. You will be greatly missed. A lot of great quotes. A lot of great quotes from him circulating online, too. Yeah, a lot of great quotes from him circulating online, too.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. But I guess let's not waste any time, huh? Shall we just dive into... I mean, there's nothing wrong with wasting a little time. Yeah, let's talk about something else, man. Warren, what's your thought? Summer League is coming up. Who you got?

Who makes your favorite barbecue sauce? I'll go first i like blood so's mild um that's just me uh yeah but any anything else decide besides the eastern conference final doug mccain favorite bill walton quote ah california if the pilgrims landed here the east coast would still be wilderness I love that love a little shade intercoastal shade I'm an east coast person but

there's a lot to be said for California anyways I think that's the episode thanks for coming on Warren but man that was a sweep that was a sweep that was like a very entertaining sweep though like game one was yeah game one was wild gave me a bit of false hope i must say i was huh maybe no no no no no no no no no like how are you as as a sound like what's it like warren to root for this team like was that in doubt for you because for me as halliburton was like looking at his hands like

smiling like we we're gonna do it i was like you poor poor unfortunate soul yeah and then they just like gave the ball to the celtics repeatedly likeics repeatedly. There was a witch's curse on them. Did you have a feeling that was coming? No. Who's going to predict that? I think obviously a younger team, fine. But them losing their composure in the way they did in Game 1, and then ultimately again in Game 3, and again in Game 4. I guess maybe by that time we should have

expected it and i think the celtics themselves obviously did especially by game four but that first game you know i was on edge you know like everybody else and the celtics make a lot of people nervous especially their own fan base because they have a lot of bad habits that they can't always get out of their own way from but indiana is a good team so i'm not trying to take anything away from them but talent wise the talent disparity was was fairly vast and that was the experience factor and i think that's where boston was able to kind of get through there especially in you know in that first game as indiana just kind of coughed the ball up every single position down the stretch there was crazy it was crazy right there's a shakiness to um everybody except the celdics in the Eastern Conference.

The Knicks kind of, like if the Knicks had been able to not physically fall apart, they were a little less shaky than everybody else. The Celtics are just highly competent. We've said since about

halfway into this season that it's the Celtics versus the field. In my heart, it it's the Celtics versus the field. In my heart, it's always the Celtics versus the field. There's only one team that I consistently root against. It is the Celtics. Thank you for that. This is... Thank you so much.

Yeah. But this is also a historically great team, I feel like. If another team beats them, I feel like that's a massive upset. When you look at their stats, it's kind of bonkers how good they've been throughout the season.

Warren, do you have confidence as a fan because you're seeing the same thing? Objectively, statistically, we should be winning the championship. Is there also a part of you that doesn't want to fully obviously because anything can happen but i i i know one celtics fan personally who is sort of like i don't know why this is a foregone conclusion not that they're saying like not as aggressively but they're like look at the path here. Like, we're just blowing through teams. We're going to get Chris Stapps back.

And I just don't see, we're probably our own worst enemy. Are you operating from that place too? Or are you still leaving some objectivity to be like, well, no, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Just because we're just beating everybody up, like, it's nothing. Doesn't mean it's nothing like that. By nature, I'm i'm you know a little bit uh softer in my approach you know try not to be like overly aggressive um i think bosses is talent wise they're they're in position they they should win the nba championship however yeah we

we've seen enough of this team in this organization to understand that hey sometimes they don't always do the right things they don't always do the things that they want, that they're supposed to do. And I think what a lot of people, in my opinion, have been miffed about, in addition to not liking them just in general, but it's like they haven't won with style points, especially in this Eastern Conference Finals. With the talent disparity

being what it was, it wasn't like, alright, they just beat the dog crap out of Indiana. There was close games, Nemhard, who most of the NBA public still had never heard of, lining people up for 30 points. And it's like, all right, well, this is your king. This is your elite team. So I understand why people are bullish, if you will,

on their potential championship aspirations. But the talent is there. And if I can just be, not necessarily nerdy for a second, but the biggest thing to me about where the Celtics are this season is I actually believe in Joe Mazzola's message. Like whatever he got, whatever he had going on last year, wasn't it?

That wasn't the vibe. That wasn't the mojo. They are singing his tune and they are bought in, in a way that I didn't expect them to be. But I also want to credit guys on the bench, like Sam Cassell and Charles Lee. They've done a really great job of kind of captaining that ship and everybody's really bought into that. So this is why they should win. But you know, fans of being

Dallas, you know, and you got the Kyrie stuff going on there and that crap never excites me, man. I really don't want to part any of the Boston crowd and him going back and forth with them as well too. I'd rather avoid that and keep it basketball, but there's not a chance to tell that out. Do you think potentially that could work to whose advantage could that work in? Like in terms of, yeah, that would just take him to another level. Yeah.

Like, why would he not play the villain? You know, and that, well, he's been a great soldier this season for the Dallas Mavericks, if you will, too,

but that doesn't mean he has to go out there and stop, stomp on the leprechaun. And that's the right, the villain. I think it's just like, all right, you know, he'll, he'll die in on the saltyprechaun and essentially be the villain. I think it's just like, alright, he'll die on the salty booze of the Celtics fans

hitting clutch shots, left-hand floaters and all that, and then be in the press conference just like... Those are the things that make me nervous. I think when it comes to the Celtics faithful, the team itself should have enough to counteract all that, but some of this

when it gets this far, it is the intangible. It is the little things that can get you over the proverbial hump, and I wouldn't want to give Dallas or Kyrie specifically any extra motivation or advantage. There were multiple points throughout this series where the Pacers

was like, Namhart would score, and I would be like, wow, I can't believe that went in. Surely that is the last point that the Pacers score in this game. Like it just didn't, I don't know. I was always surprised at how close they were able to keep it.

Uh, Indiana is an exciting team. I think I stand by, I think they gave them a better series than we would have seen from the Knicks, even though it was a sweep. I just, I don't know. They had a lot of weapons. Some of the losses were really close. And again, losing Halliburton. Some injury

luck for the Celtics. In the sense of, you know, I guess eight of the 12 wins they've gotten, the team they're playing has been playing without their best player. How do you look at that, Warren? Because I feel like that's like a narrative

that a lot of fans are grappling, or, you know, they're like, so what? Like, it's because we're better. A lot of Celtics haters. Yeah. Well, I mean, but going by what y'all said, even in the outset, you know, they were supposed to be here.

So how they got here is kind of inconsequential, really. But I think it's the aspect, well, we didn't get to see them sweat enough. And from my viewpoint, and or otherwise, the biggest knock on Boston has always been their inability to close clutch games. Now, should they not be in a clutch game against the Indiana Pacers with Tyrese Halliburton out of the lineup? Probably. But nevertheless, they were, and they found ways in essence to eat it out.

So that's the biggest knock that's been on this team, especially from years past, that you've seen that maturity and that growth. And obviously guys like Drew Holiday have been immense in being able to turn that narrative around in the short time in the playoffs. But I get where the buy's coming from, and I agree with you, Jack, in terms of Indiana. Jalen Brown said it on multiple occasions. He was like, as if they didn't play them five other times

in the regular season without playing tournament included, the pace, no pun intended, but they were running up and down the floor for 23rd or 24th in pace this year. It's almost like they weren't prepared for Indiana to do that at times, which doesn't make sense, but anyway, they were able to get back.

I don't know. I just don't know if they were physically capable. Like the, I don't know if the human body is physically capable of the number of minutes. And then like, you know, the number of minutes that everybody was putting in across that whole

post-season. And then you get into a series against the Pacers, a seven game series against the Pacers. That takes a toll. I series against the Pacers, that takes a toll, I would imagine. For other people, not me, I would have been fine because I'm in amazing shape. So the one thing that is giving Celtics haters hope that I think maybe shouldn't at this point

after watching that series is the theory that NBA seven game series, playoff series, final series usually goes to the best player, the team with the best player like that. That's sort of an old kind of rule of thumb in the NBA. And I think some people I've,

I've been guilty of this, but I'm like, well, Luca's Luca's better than Tatum, so maybe they have a shot. However, I think the reason that that has happened in the past is because other teams, like you kind of lose your confidence down the end,

or like you need somebody who's just like, alpha, I'm going to take the big shot. When things get kind of clogged up in a seven game series. You need somebody who's just a bucket who can just get a bucket no matter what. Um, I don't see that being a problem for the Celtics.

I really don't like they have so many guys who are a clutch and like Tatum could be clutch, but like he has been like at various points, but like, you know, Derek white is clutch. Like Jalen Brown is clutch. Like they can get buckets down, down the stretch.

So I don't know. I'm having a hard time more like as we get closer to a series to the finals, I'm having a, a tough time believing in that theory. But this might be me reverse jinxing it. I just remember, wasn't it the Game 1 text thread? I was like, look at Tatum. He ain't clutch.

And then he exploded in my face. And I was like, see, I'm trying to motivate the young man. That's what's going on. And then I post that crying face guy with the mask on that's smiling. I'm like, he ain't clutch. He did have 10 points in that overtime.

Absolutely. Absolutely blew up in my face for sure. If I shot that much, I'd have 10 points in the overtime. That's a spare jack that's there you go yeah yeah yeah i mean like where are you kind of with the you know i see a lot of people too saying like for all the talk about you know mitchell being out or jimmy being out or halliburton or whatever like no one's talking about persing persing is being out this whole time like and that's also a story. I feel like the Celtics are just so good that it just wasn't necessarily a factor.

But where do you kind of come down on that? I mean, it's obviously a bonus now because it sounds like he says he'll be ready for the finals. Yeah, for sure. I would have been severely disappointed and tiki torches and whatever. Story Boston had a loss in this conference finals or any other part part of the playoffs, just because they didn't have or zinc. It's like, that's like he was brought in for the regular season, but really to help solidify

the championship. But especially with these other teams having the energies that they had, he was not needed. So I don't think it needs to be a story. I understand. You know, I think, you know, the true Boston faithful, if you will, are going to clamp on to everything that's, that's adverse. I think to their narrative, if you will are gonna clamp on to everything that's that's um adverse you know i think to their narrative if you will i'm just not that guy you know yeah you know i can't i can't be that for the sake of a podcast either but at the end of the day i think

you know porzingis coming back is a huge huge bonus but you also have to remember and not that i'm trying to qualify it but he's never been at the damn finals before so five weeks off your first game back is NBA finals. The first time you've ever been there, that level of intensity, there's going to be a semblance of Russ there, whoever that is, whether that's Dallas or if it ends up being Minnesota,

if they so happen to come back, like, you know, I don't know how many minutes and how productive he'll be even at that point, but hopefully by later stages of that series, if it goes into later stages, he'd be able to contribute in a way

that he was brought into. Porzingis revenge series. He's going to take it to Dallas for trading him. That's what's happening. Everyone's going to have their own revenge narrative. That's my impression of somebody on Reddit.

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And what'd I tell you? Told you these Mavs. These Mavs, man. They got something going on offense right now. Yeah, they do. I was not confident in Minnesota's offense coming in, and I think that was the correct thing to be worried about because they threw four games.

It's just, you never really feel confident in like where their offense is going to come from. Like, right. And has amazing moments, but it's not there yet where he's just like unstoppable. Whereas Luca,

even when his shots not going down, he's having 28, Whereas Luka, even when his shot's not going down, he's having 28-15-10. Right. It's in the loss. That's the stat line in the one loss. But Luka's been incredible. Yeah, that whole duo. I mean, what was that stat?

Kyrie and Luka are the first starting backcourt. These have at least 30 points in the same game three times in a postseason in the last 50 years yeah yeah yeah they're doing they're doing something they're doing something and man gafford looks fantastic too i've i i i went going in look because as a laker fan i was like yes Nuggets. Be my champion now and do damage. I was like, oh, yeah, you can't handle them. You can't handle them. Like, Ant really needs, he needs help. He needs help beyond what is on that bench and on that court at present. But, yeah, it was interesting, too, because that game four, like, sort of, like, everyone was like, well, you know, Kyrie was, what what 14 and 0 at that point in closeout games and

this was his first blemish and then i guess ant was saying he's like i did not want to be swept so i took that personally and was an assist shy of a triple double so yeah i liked what minnesota did there i think you know ant was talking you know big ant ish as he does you know before the series like i got kai um that wasn't that wasn't working out. So they're down 0-3. Right. And they put McDaniels on him. And Kai, he struggled in that game. Dallas still had a chance to win

and Lucas struggled as well. So I think if you're Minnesota, you feel like you can at least push this to six, especially going back in your home floor. Although, they haven't been amazing on their home floor, especially from that last series against Denver. But ultimately, this is a spot where, hey, you just got to, as the old

cliche is, go one game at a time. But I think you're a thousand percent correct in what you've alluded to. With Ant doesn't have Cat being able to do a number two type of things, that's a problem. And I feel like this was... I don't know if this is a real thing on Twitter

or whatever the case would be, but I damn near fell out of my chair when Shaq called Kat Mr. Meow. And I was like, is this a real thing? And I was searching for it, but I was like, yo, he's got, he can't be Mr. Meow. He's got to be out there with a full roar and not meow

like Kitty in the Corner, man. So that's what they need from Carl Anthony Towns, from Anthony Edwards and company to push this series to six or seven games. What do we think? Six? That sounds like wishful thinking from a Celtics fan.

They're going to extended six. Hold on. Going back to that from the other side, have the Celtics did you see Jason Tatum or the ghost of Marcus Smart Tanya Hardening you know Donovan Mitchell's legs or Jimmy what are we talking about here nothing I'm just saying though that did look suspiciously like a witch's curse at the end of that game one man so i'm not saying that anybody cursed anybody but i'm not saying it wasn't lee harvey oswald wow but wow where was jason was he in deely plaza um yeah i man six

games maybe i don't know i i i really don't't know. Here's an interesting question. Maxi Kleber came back in for his first little bit in that game 4. What do you think his impact is going to be as compared? Because I feel like Przingis coming back is one thing and Kleber could be potentially that

but he's been out since May 3rd. I'm not sure if it's going to be instant. That's why Daskada has got to get this series over with so he can continue to rest and rehab or whatever, because he's got like a holster on his shoulder right now. I know that's what he heard, but that thing looks crazy. So I can't imagine that's comfortable to shoot with. And that's the biggest thing that he's out there for. Right. It's able to space the floor.

So he looked hesitant. You know what we saw in game four. And then when he did try to hoist it up because cause like he just had no choice was obviously will short. So I, I applaud him for being out there. Number one, but I think understanding that, um, he's going to struggle right now and he needs some more rest in essence to be able to get back into game shape and be effective in the NBA finals. If Dallas were to make it there.

Right. Dallas has, uh, 35 alley-oops in this playoff, uh, successful alley-oops in this playoff. 35 successful alley-oops. The remaining teams combined have 20. Or I guess not remaining anymore because the Pacers are out. So the Wolves have 6. The Celtics have 8. The Mavs

have 35. There were some video game-esque like lobs in that series too. I was like, there can't be somebody on the end of this one you're like oh and just like that one last night with Derek Jones yeah yeah I couldn't I was like where did he come Wow you see like arms and limbs yeah lying through the air and like seriously it was it was crazy how many so with the Celtics wrapping up their series, Dallas still being in theirs,

how many days of rest potentially are the Celtics going to have by the time game one rolls around? I think it ends up being 10, 9 or 10 days. 9 or 10 days? Okay. That's a lot of rest. That's basically like next season. So who knows what's going to happen?

Yeah. For the haters, you can call it rust. Maybe they get rusty in that time as well, too, right? Yeah. Where are you on this? Rust or rust, Jack? Are you on rust? I think they're going to be rusty.

I think it's going to be a mess out there. They're going to look like they're playing with their left hand. If the Celtics don't win an 18th championship, everything's a failure. That's all I know. At this point, that's what it has to be. I'm going to lean into it that hard now. that's all i that's all i know you know at this point that's what that's what it has to be like that's i'm gonna lean into it that hard now um but yeah i mean i i i have a feeling the rest will only benefit uh the celtics uh at this point just can i can i ask a real question like in this

regard so no is it really just celtics lore that that everybody is because when i've had i've had to think about this a lot obviously obviously, in the last few days. And there's not any really bad personalities or bad people. Like, do you like, most people love Drew Holiday. Most people love Derek White. Love. Love. Maybe.

All right. But maybe you think they were anointed before they should have been, or what are the cases? No, not even that. I actually, I like, I like them. You know what I mean?

I like Jalen Brown. Like me has no left. I like that. Like me, Derek white is losing his hair, embrace the bald and now has found superpowers. I like Jason. He looks like Jason Tatum looks exactly like my cousin. I have, it's for me

personally it's that i'm in the rat race of counting rings as a laker fan like a lifelong laker fan so for me i'm just fully invested of not seeing a number 18 patch on the back of that jersey that's it's pretty superficial like that because when it comes down to it like i really like i i kind of you know there's nothing against them personally because i actually do like the players and i can respect the fact that they're good but then i have to process that through my toxic laker brain and go that is bad that the men in green are this good we don't like that that is an existential threat to our ego um and that's for me just putting it very you know uh bluntly that's that's that's what it for me it all stems from my laker fandom 100 has really nothing to do with the players at all

yeah for me it's personal uh it's i i didn't like danny ange uh and then i was like oh man like maybe maybe i'll be okay with the celdics once dann Ainge leaves and then it didn't happen. I still really don't like it's also like sick you know like the fact you know I'm a Sixers fan and like the the fact that they could have had Tatum

and like traded out of the position to have Tatum is just like too much for my diseased heart to take i just can't it's like it's pure vitriol like i i'm a small small man on this subject i am i'm a bad person was that colangelo who who is who who did that yeah that was colangelo and i don't see what everyone thinks the big deal is find a new angle that was a good trade it's a normal size collar this is a normal trade little markel fultz yeah but i don't know i mean like what are the what are the reasons why like i

because for me i get just very narrowly through my prism of laker fandom being in la like why we don't like the celtics but i'm curious like i guess for the others it's just i think for fans of other teams they're sort of like why why do they get the like why are they exalted so quickly or i'm still trying to understand i'm like oh y'all are on my team like what is it because i know y'all don't like the lakers either so i'm like where are you coming from exactly here? Does America like the Lakers more than the Celtics? Probably, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They like, but they also have a, but also have a ton of haters. I mean, I don't know if it's as I, cause I mean, look at how much they, people were, the people were sea walking on our grave. You know what I mean? When, when the nuggets just clapped us.

Um, so I know that that, that energy is definitely out there for the lakers and then yeah in the celtics probably like an equal measure but i'm i'm curious what everyone like i get why people don't like the lakers they obviously our fans are arrogant we are not rooted to reality in any kind of way i'm just demanding players who technically cannot be signed to the lakers be signed to the lakers so i exist in a different world, and I get that that is annoying to many other people. But then when I'm with the Celtics, I'm like, I don't know, man.

It's been a while since they were really, really that team. So, yeah. I would imagine, like a lot of teams, it's the overall fan base that can be off-putting. I have that, and I Celticeltic cover if you will but i live in south florida so me with heat heat fans it like

it's i'm sufferable i just i'm like i just yeah i'm suffocated and so i i can't like i just can't so and when i watch certain outlets and things like that too like no you're just you're you're trying to create a narrative that oh nobody cares about miami and it's just stop it stop it like right culture gets shoved down my throat every every other day so to honestly it's the fans and some and for some folks it's media why there's such these polarizing things about the celtics but i think as you alluded to you know with boston this iteration of the celtics if you will you, they're mostly decent guys. Even Brad Stevens in the front office, he's a

mild-mannered dude. He seems like a good guy. Good, smart guy. This is a great question, Warren. I don't understand. I don't understand it. For me personally, I don't understand it. It doesn't make any sense. I think it's because our houses are so chaotic. You look at the's like parents are together and they're doing good

like oh y'all gotta figure it out great must be nice no we're all rooting for you you're great yeah i bet your mom took you in at night huh while you're under their car cutting their brakes yeah we're so happy for you yeah outside looking yeah outside looking in brad stevens the gm or brad stevens the coach now they haven't obviously won anything yet but you know he's better is that what you're asking as a gm or brad stevens as a coach from what you can remember i mean this isn't a fun conversation topic for me when he's like a great coach or like an even better GM. It's like,

wow, amazing. Uh, I mean, until this season, I would have probably said coach, but this, like this is truly like,

this is like a dream team level. Like just the strength of the team across the board is incredible like it's really i'm viewing this as the olympic finals when the dream team went to the finals and if there's a loss there i mean i can't even imagine the level of embarrassment don't you guys still have like first round picks still no he's he's been punting those picks and he punted i think two picks to get uh derrick white um so you might have i think we have a first round pick this year that is our own whatever but anyway it's going to be late and so yeah yeah but either way but yeah i mean because then like like at the you know like moving

kemba and getting al horford and just how Yeah, that's what's frustrating. There are times when things don't work out and you're like, maybe this is the fall. Yeah, and you're like, what? Al Horford's going out of his mind? He's like, I'm older than him. Drew Holiday was the one that I just can't... Because I loved him. I loved what he

did in the finals for the Bucs. And as a Celtics antagonist, I was like like anyone else like anyone else please um yeah he's so perfect for them he's so perfect for basically anyone i mean if you've been on the six years i feel like they would have been pretty good this year and also like i know that there's stuff behind the scenes there's a like dr laurie santos who's like this like happiness psychologist person like she was working like dr laurie santos who's like this like happiness psychologist person like she was working like with brad stevens like he's like can you come

talk to us like the layers of thought that go into this is also like pretty impressive like having intellectuals i know jack look i'm sorry what am i gonna do man i still guys i still have to call it as i see it this is better and i hate it and i hate it so yeah i hope this energizes i warren i hope you're able to live for like 60 more years off the strength of our pain because it's i am i am on cloud nine right now i know they can't see me but i am floating i appreciate you both so much the machines are gonna love you guys you guys are gonna make such good batteries once the machines take over because you're just

so glowing with positive energy. I like that in your world, Jack, the happy ending to this is that we fall to a Matrix style dystopia. It's like, well, the Celtics fans will probably be the best batteries and then we'll be able to escape our battle.

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So, new episodes Monday and Wednesday. You can watch along on the Wake and Jake YouTube channel or listen to Wake and Jake on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Warren Shaw. Well, well, well. I think maybe you're my favorite Celtics fan, I gotta say.

You know, just cause It's not a tough competition, man. Love. Yeah. I think you're my favorite child and my only child. Either you or Donnie Wahlberg? Wasn't Donnie at the game the other night? Yeah.

He'd be hanging out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, it is time for the fourth quarter rapid fire round of questioning. This is the fastest question answer segment in all sports podcasting

history. Warren, you've done this before. We're going to ask you a question. Just reply quickly. Give us a succinct answer. Don't nothing too long because we're trying to maintain our titles. The fastest question answer segment in the podcast history.

And if you take too long, we will be rude to you. And we will take our anger out as Sixers and Lakers fans on you in a way that is disproportionate and maybe inappropriate. But you're a brave person. You're a stand-up man. So we expect nothing less from you. Are you ready? Let's get it popping.

Right at the start of the clock. Don't do any easy ones, Jack. We got to make Warren look absolutely foolish. I'm crossing the easy ones out right now. Yeah, yeah. These are good ones. Pull up his phone records. Pull up his phone records.

Let's do that one. Yeah, the ones from June 2013. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. Settle down. Uh-oh, Warren. Uh-oh. You made a lot of calls to this number.

Okay, here we go. First question. This is from the Discord. And shout out to everybody that goes on the Discord. What will the crowd reaction be like in Boston if it's Kyrie and the Mavs rolling into town? Will the turnt up crowd get guys like Luca

and Kyrie going? Will it be an atmosphere that will just be terrible for everyone? What's your thoughts on the atmosphere when they come to town crash negative something fans have no chill no chill so it's gonna be awful and that's the one part i don't want any part of kairi is gonna rains of booze and i just yeah they don't throw stuff at him that's all i can say just it's not a great fan base when it comes to kairi sure sure sure and like much the way that you're powered by the tears

of Laker fans, Kyrie is powered by the booze of Boston fans. So yeah, that could, that could, yeah,

that's a battery for him, for sure. There's been a lot of talk about how the home court advantage has gone away. People aren't,

like, doing that much better at home, if better at all at home. What do you think? What's your, what's your theory on that?

Funny, I was listening to a show talking about that earlier today. And rest has a lot to do with it. I think so the visiting team can kind of come in and the travel is better, et cetera, et cetera. But I just think teams are better proportionally matched in general from what we've seen more recently in recent years. So I don't think Home Court Adventure is what it once was, but I'd still rather have it than not. But it doesn't hold the same weight that I think it did 15, 10 years ago. Also, there's something we've talked about in the past about NBA players being sort of

spite fueled and like feeling like everybody, it's them against the world. I wonder if like there's a part of it where like they react better to people like hating on them like abracadabra yeah yeah right exactly like a lot of it is like you know just made up hate but like you know you have to motivate yourself somehow but like it when you're on the road you actually get to like hear it and feel it and it's like the type of person who becomes a great player these days has to do it in the face of just torrents of you know hate on social media i just wonder if like for a modern player that is a more effective way to get going than like the adulation of the home crowd is like hearing boos and anger um that's my that's my loose uh soft brain i mean

i feel like yeah and then like people like mj and then kobe kind of really made it that thing where it's like yeah go ahead like i want to hear it oh yeah and then he stick that jaw out and you're like you're in trouble but that was a long time ago yeah well like i feel like the feeling of quieting a crowd uh something that i have a lot of experience with uh in our live shows it's because you can't control your farting uh i i feel like that's got to be one of the more powerful feelings that you can get i can give you a terrible example i played bass intramural intramural basketball don't knock me when did, and we played against those frats, and they brought their sorority girls out, and their altar girls,

and my little pickup team, you beat them, I felt some type of way. That's true. That's motivation. That translates to all levels. That is the experience of playing against the Boston Celtics, by the way. Playing against a fraternity with a bunch of sorority girls.

Oh, we playing Sig-App? Say less, baby. Mine was Pike. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, and Gamma Phi Beta coming? Don't worry. Don't worry.

I will. I'll probably hit an air ball or two in that game. All right. Was that a question? Sure. Let's say that was a question. Okay. That was a question. All right. Was that a question or are you? Sure. Let's go. Let's say that was a question. Okay. That was a question.

All right, Warren, you can go back in time to personally witness any finals matchup from history. However many games, a series went, you get courtside tickets to each game. What series are you sitting?

Which heat series are you choosing? God, I'd go back into, I can't remember what year I'm going gonna get it wrong um but obviously the one of the ones bird uh beat magic cat so you know i don't know if that's the four fives one of those one of those years so i was you know a fledgling individual at that at that time of my life and wasn't really following basketball in that um but i think just understanding what that rivalry was like not the first but the most i don't want to say i won't say this right one of the more iconic rivalries in nba history you know bird versus magic and yeah

for sure that's something that i can definitely relate to it's the year of my birth 1984. sweet the amount of secondhand smoke you're gonna have to deal with back there though man oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah and red cigars yeah i'm good yeah you're already saying 87 better um maybe well we know why um okay phases of the nba for the next five years uh shay and swemby shay and wimby. Who's Aunt Wemby? That's my Aunt Wemby. Is it not Luca because of how bad his forearm tattoo is? Like that's one of the worst

professional athlete tattoos, right? Sometimes I'm like, what did he smear on there? What is going on? There's like a you know what i mean it's like kind of what he's what's he smearing on there doesn't it look like smeared a little bit it's uh it's hard to know isn't it like a eye like an all-seeing eye kind of thing it's just like a one-off or something and i think like a hawk flying into the moon

hey i can't hate all right i can't hate you've seen the little sunrise i have at the base of my back so uh yeah exactly i can't i can't complain you gotta stand up never mind i'm gonna get oh yeah yeah oh yeah he does front and back um so warren we've seen teams around my belly button. Yeah, a little Rodman style. You got the, oh, is it Reggie? Yeah, who is it? So we got teams like the Grizzlies, Thunder, Magic, taking steps, you know, to the next level over the last few years.

Who are, can you give us two teams you think we can also expect something similar from that are going to be in the conversation that previously wasn't? Because we're seeing a lot of parity. That is not those teams you just mentioned. Yes, that is not the ones that fully encapsulate what i've just said but go outside the bounds and give us a prediction so listen i think houston's

closer than people want to admit um yeah coaching is a real situation there and i i love shangoon and i think jillian green is is going to be a dude um so i'd pick Houston there. Try and think from an Eastern Conference standpoint. There's not a lot that I like right now that you haven't mentioned. So, yeah. I would hope Detroit gets

their act together, but they're nowhere near where they need to be. So I guess I'll go with the safe pick here in your conference finals, and I guess the Pacers, I guess, we'll see them again. They should be still good. I mean, man, like, Nembhard, he's a hooper.

You talked about it, like, you thought he'd be the last time. Me too. You know, he's not particularly quick, but he's crafty and, you know, little half turns doing the smitty and, you know, lean-ins and decent shot, little gooseneck on his threes. Hey, I can rock with that. I can rock with that. I think your

super producer is saying the Spurs, but until they can get some help with Wemby, it's me. It's basically us three running around with them right now, and that's not going to cut it. Over, under, number of seasons until Wemby is top three MVP voting?

So over, under, I'm going to say over one, but I'd say literally in year three. So, wow. That's crazy. Yeah, I mean, that's contradicting what I just said, though, in terms of the Spurs won't be a good basketball team,

you know, record wise, but I, I don't know that we'll be able to deny his, his statistical impact. And if, you know, people do say,

you know what, I want to go play with that guy, you know, the alien or whatever his logo is, you know, maybe they will be able to rebuild a lot faster, but he's ridiculous. Yeah.

Yeah. It's hard to, to, for somebody to live up to the expectations in that first year that was put on him too and i know you guys ride at summer league and um i don't i don't know if you remember the spectacle that it was you know yeah trying to watch him out there it was wild i actually didn't notice him was he there i didn't do you remember the how quiet it got in thomas and max center the second he walked in the ball even

everyone was like yo watch yeah and they're like oh he touched the ball, even. Everyone was like, yo, what the fuck? Watch. And they're like, oh my God, he missed that dunk. And I was like, this guy is a wastrel. He stinks. I'm calling it. I'm out on this Wemby guy. And then he almost hit his head on the rim,

just like walking by. And I was like, uh-oh. This is going to be weird. You need spatial awareness. Warren, finally, this summer, you know, we're planning on doing a dive into some 90s players, some of our favorites of the era during the

offseason. We're going to highlight different players. Give us a few recommendations of people that you think, especially for newer fans, 90s era players that they need to be familiar with. Well, I think I spoke about this maybe the last time I was on, but I'm definitely it's an old goodie, but a goodie for me.

The draws in Petrovic nets. So with Derek Coleman as well, too. DC was a problem. He wasn't always motivated, but he was a problem back in the 90s. And then to keep it Boston centric, Reggie Lewis, you know, and not to be, you know, not to be morbid about it in any capacity. Obviously he passed on, but he was a bucket, you know, he could, he could really hoop. So those are guys I think, you know, people to me you know not to be morbid about it in any capacity obviously he passed on uh but he was a bucket you know he could he could really hoop so those are guys i think you know people would love and should should want to learn more about you know those those those three guys

if you will yeah man he kept that four four on him uh well warren shaw it has been a pleasure and an honor having you on miles and jack i'm Boosty's so you could sip on our loser tears this episode. Yeah, we'd love to have you back on if the Celtics don't win the title. We'd love to. We'd love to have you back on. If they win, it's been nice meeting you. Good luck.

Good luck in your future endeavors, but we will not be able to look you in the eye if you hang number 18 up. That's just the rules. Where do the people find you, follow you, listen to you, and support all your work? I appreciate you, fellas, as always. Yeah, follow me at ShotsportsNBA on X. You can follow my stuff over at 19 Media Group, the Baseline NBA podcast. And if you like the Celtics content, you can follow me, I believe, in Celtics as well, too.

Available on all podcast platforms. And definitely, if you're not so basketball into it, you can catch me out on dope interviews where I'm doing stuff in the entertainment space and the business space as well, too, man. So a lot of fun in this podcasting world. Happy to call you guys colleagues. I appreciate the platform so much.

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