The Daily Zeitgeist - MJGMB #143: Roster Balance Reigns Supreme with Cari Champion

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

Jack and Producer Jabari were honored to be joined by broadcast journalist, tv personality and iHeart podcast host Cari Champion for today's episode. The trio discussed the biggest surprises of the early season, Orlando continuing to impress no matter the lineup, the Grizzlies, Mavericks and so much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know we'll also have to check in with the Lakers and more with the great carry champion on today's episode. I'm Jack O'Brien. And I'm producer Jabari in from Miles. And this is, Miles the Jack and sometimes Jabari got mad boosties. is sometimes got mad boosties The Southlix are NBA champions. Over the double team.

Oh! Night-night! Giannis with the take. Oh, look out. No, showtime. But you got Giannis. Harry Champion, what is going on? Why is it sometimes Jabari?

Why can't it just be all the time Jabari? Hey, you are doing the Lord's work right from the start. I appreciate that. I know. Yeah. Yeah. We can't keep him off, you know? But, no, Jabari's always here in spirit.

He's always like dropping in, you know, people hear his words every episode, but sometimes Jabari likes to, you know, keep it in the chat. And then sometimes Jabari, we get to hear his voice, hear his wisdom firsthand. Thank you, Carrie. Thank you, you're welcome.

You paid me to say that. Let me just text him now. Okay, I got you. I got you, Zell. Zell, cool? Yes, please. I'm champion. It's my number two.

But how are you doing? It's so great to have you. We of course know you from ESPN, Amazon Prime, TNT, and now most importantly on iHeart. You have a fellow iHeart podcaster, the host of Naked Sports with Carrie Champion. Can you tell us a little bit about that show? Oh, so what's so good is that I did for we did force this is our fourth season. So the first few seasons we started the pandemic until we were very much a zoom family, as we all are. Just, you know, it was like, let's talk about anything.

The idea was like, let's just talk about anything, anything that made us excited, anything we were excited about. Then this past season, I wanted to do something different. I was like, you know what? Why? Since I since I really believe, and I think you guys know this too, sports lives at all intersections. It lives at culture, it lives at policy, it lives in the world of art everywhere. And I really wanted to make it more focused and more niche and cliche. So we started off this season, making sure we wanted it to have that emphasis of sports every single guest we had.

And we did this really great, I think it was great, this docu-series about Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. And I know people are still on and not necessarily on, but the WNBA is in a really special place and I think it needed to be documented. So that's how we kicked it off and we haven't stopped. And we've had guests on like Darren Waller, who's very open and honest, former NFL player talking about his drug addiction. He went viral with Ashlyn Harris talking about her breakup with Ali Krieger. Although she talked about so much more, but that was the thing that went viral.

The mess. Yeah. The mess of it all. Yeah. All right. So let's just say some messy stuff here. Yeah, of it all. Yeah. All right. So let's just say some messy stuff here Let's go. Let's get to the math No, let's get into it though. Let's get into the NBA a little bit And maybe this is an opportunity to get some mess right in because I do want to ask everybody What are your biggest surprises of the season so far? Is it the Cavs being as great as they've been?

Or is it, uh, you know, someone like, I don't know, the Pelicans. And I think I can safely, uh, take the 76ers out of my mouth at this point. Um, even though they might still be the most surprising, but Pelicans being five and 20, so Cavs 21 and four, Pelicans five and 20. Which one are you more surprised by? I think the Cavs for me. But although the surprise is not as huge, they've been coming for a while.

I just don't think anybody ever really, I think everyone said, well maybe, perhaps, kinda. Let's look for the big names. We have to have them slap us in the face before we pay attention to them really meaning business. And I think it's good for the league because they're gonna need a superstar They need a superstar team in the sense that they need somebody to pay that gives us that surprise I wasn't expecting that you know, it's like you find $20 in your pocket. You're like wow that $20 in my pocket

I didn't know that that I'm gonna do with that $20 and that to me was a surprise Because I it's nice to give somebody else attention and by the way, I'm a diehard Lakers fan, Jabari. That's where we bond. There we are. Oh wait, Jabari, you're a Lakers fan? You would never have guessed that, would you? That's wild. Being on an NBA podcast produced by you, I have never, this is the first time I'm hearing of this. That's wild. Yeah. Well, it's a confession for me too. Many people don't know that about me as well.

So I've been, I've been very closeted about it. And so, yeah, you have to be, right? You have to be because no one loves the Lakers. You guys are all jealous. Jelly. That's the truth. I mean, you know, truth to power. That is the most honest answer we've gotten on the calves, by the way, everybody else we've had has been like, yeah, I saw a car.

I basically knew like, maybe I would have thought they'd be like 20 and five instead of 21 and four. But like, that's it. That's that's how hard it is to surprise me. Yeah. Right. Not even not even close. It was like I'm calling for the Cavs. I was in Cleveland, probably two, like just run a season opener. And I remember this is so bizarre. I remember checking into this hotel and the clerk was like, listen, this is our year. Watch my words. And I was like, he's the only person I think who knew.

Cleveland were certainly on up on it, but yeah, that's amazing. It was like, Hey, I got a hot tip for you. Yeah. And then I would be, you know, being snarky in the media. I was like, thanks The real question is does he say that every year because I'm one of those guys admittedly like this is our year this one I grew up a Raiders fan. So I'm accustomed to saying this this is going to be our year and it's just it never has been But same I say that about the Lakers every year and you can't even tell me. I'm like, it's only 20 games. I've got plenty of time guys, plenty of time. Yeah. And then you go to Salt Lake City to check in and they're like, Hey, I've got a little information for you. This is our year. Oh, I feel like cool. Yeah. Whoever. Yeah. All right. I also want to say, I don't really want to talk trash about the Pelicans. Like nobody wants this. Nobody, you know, like I didn't want to see them do this badly.

I want to see everybody healthy and playing well. They're fun when they're healthy. I am a little surprised at like how badly it's gone so far. But let's talk about the magic instead. Unless does anybody have anything? Do you have the diagnosis of what ails the Pelicans besides just like bad health? I will say this. I sometimes I root for them for a few reasons. Just various reasons that really have nothing to do

with what's happening on the court. Sometimes have you ever, just like we're home, like you're home or you love the Sixers, we love the Lakers, sometimes I root for them because of what they're trying to do. And you just want people to get out of their own way. Like I really, so I'm not, when he's healthy, he's great. I'm like, yeah, remember when he was it, he was everything?

That has to be such a mental tragedy for him because I do not know, if I had all that fanfare, how to live up to that one. That's why it's always hard. And that's why I love LeBron. And when people give him such trash, I'm like, it's hard to live up to what everyone says you're supposed to be. And when you go out with it and you play like, it's hard to live up to what everyone says you're supposed to.

And when you play so free, when you're doing a job, you come in with no expectations and you just serve in everybody. It is so much easier to capitalize off of that than the whole world thinking you're going to be the best. So I always want something for him. I root for CJ in general, because he's just a good guy and I don't want him to have his career like this, but that seems to be what it'll be. You don't ever want the grace to go out or the people who you consider good to lead these or have to be on a team like that. That just has to be difficult. I don't want that for any of the people that I, I sort of grew up with, if you will. No, I love this, you know, it's just unfortunate, but you know,

no one wants it. And I had it rolling like at the end of the season last season and then like got hurt right at the key pivotal moment. Correct. And he was silencing the haters. Everyone's just like, here he comes. You're just like, it's about to happen. And I'm like, okay, good for you. Good for you. Good for you. And then you're like, no, now I don't know how you recover. I'm not, you know, a professional athlete, but how do you recover from that? He has had up in the mental strength has to be beyond and we know

So many people weak on our hands how many people in the NBA have that mental toughness? Yeah, and to be honest with you. That was the reason why I put him on there Jack I get so in full disclosure normally I'm the one that just looks at you know to trash the trash of the team because it's just fun but Really, but the reality is I am most surprised by that because I had it I anticipated this being like you know Zion going to put it together and you know, they got, you know, they got to John DeMurray and like, that's going to be a good fit in

any breaks. It's saying in game one, um, like to be honest with you, like that's kind of the answer. Like they went in, if everybody were healthy, it might've been interesting, but you know, you lose Zion early on, you know, you lose your, you know, your, your point guard that you bring in to kind of write the ship early on, uh, BI has, you knowI. has been in and out of the lineup, but he's been back and been strong. But it just seems like because of all of the injuries, they've never been able to get on the same page and never been able to actually build upon anything. And that's just unfortunate.

It's so unfortunate because we want it. We're not anti. We want it for the league. It makes it better. Yeah, it makes it more fun. The Magic, still a three seed, even though palo has only played in a handful of games and they lost frond Like that's one that like the calves. It's like, okay. I didn't see it coming I would have laughed at that hotel clerk, but now that i've seen it

I'm like, oh yeah, like they've got something going the The magic, I'm still like, I don't know what is happening. How how is that? It is like seeing a magic tree. I'm like, I don't I don't believe what I'm seeing necessarily. How they're winning with what you're seeing, all these injuries. Well, just with the injury, like just with the like Palo being out as much as he's been out and then Franz being out now for it. It's just wild what they've had to do, like what they've had going against them and that they're still playing

as well as they are is just like night to night. I'm always surprised. Like the calves, now I check the box score and I'm like, yup, did it again. The magic. I'm like, wow, they did it again. You know, like I'm not, I'm not hating it. I just think I'm impressed that they're, yeah. They just like have an amazing ability to kind of defy the laws of gravity as I know them in the NBA. So I mean, I'm impressed. What do you see there? I mean, so we did talk in last year's playoffs

that their defense did seem to be like one of the most unique weapons that we'd seen. Like in the NBA, it was just like the way they defend is more aggressive and like just more different than any other NBA team we'd seen in a while. So I mean, that is obviously part of it. But what else do you feel like they've figured out this year? I feel like well, one, I have this, I think that you know, Apollo, I just, I always one of two things have to be careful what I say about, about him because he LOLed me in a, in a sarcastic way when I was on the breakfast club about a couple of months ago. And I said something to the effect, this is why I like to see him and I know he's

out but I still think he takes everything very personally and I think that that's great because he plays like that but very free still and I think that's going to make him even better as he gets more as he grows in this league. But I had said that there were very few rookies that came into the league like LeBron. Like I don't remember a rookie having that much fanfare and living up to the fanfare. Like I couldn't think of any other rookie in recent memory, not even Kobe. Because straight out of high school, everyone thought he was great, but Kobe had made so many mistakes. I just don't remember it being as intense as it was with Bron and then all the things that Bron has been able to do. And he was like, not true. He didn't

say those exact words, but he took offense. And it felt very like it was a personal attack against him. And I was like, good for you. Let everybody know that you think you are it and I am me. And don't forget about me And because I'm in Orlando and we don't have this history, this is not Penny Hardaway, I'm still the man. Like, you know, like he had all of this and, you know, this is not back when Dwight Howard was the man. Like he just had a lot of attitude and I respected it because he was like, it's a young man's game now and I'm here.

So I'm not surprised by them. I think, I think, I think they're good. And I, and I'm looking forward to, I mean, all of these teams that are not the usual suspects that are really giving us something to pay attention to and watch and, and giving us the storylines because that we love a storyline. Um, like it, I'm with it. Suggs just put up 26 and they beat the sons for their 10th straight win at home.

That's like where they're just finding, finding ways to get enough points to, to do it as well. And that's why that matters. I just need a W and see where I go. Yeah. I truly love and appreciate the confidence of like the Supreme athletes. You know what I mean? To the point that you just said, and you even referenced Kobe, it reminded you when he first came into the league One of his teammates told him they don't look Mike in the eye, you know We get on the court and the answer was like I'm that You know, and obviously, you know Paulo has the same type of vibe and I'm here for that

That's why because I have that same rule for people who work on this show. Don't look me in the eye You're not allowed to look me in the eye. Yeah rule for people who work on this show. Don't look me in the eye. You're not allowed to look me in the eye. Yeah. Yeah. You said you wouldn't tell anybody about that. This was our agreement. Those stories that are hilarious. You're like, well, where am I supposed to look at them? Just look at the ground. As you're walking, you're talking to me. No way. Okay.

Look at your own shoes. Yeah, that's, that is a good sign for, I think, only NBA success. It's like that mentally. That's I think most people would call that a pathology, but it's also like what drives people to be the greatest players. Or he's got that Michael Jordan, or it's like, and I took that personally. They weren't even talking about me, but they were talking about talking about you and I need talking around me. You're not including me in this equation and I am it like you may not think so, but watch and see. And I'm okay with

all of that. Like I like that. I don't want any friends. I want you to let me have it. I deserve it. If you mad at me, so be it. I'll take it. The detail, the story that I always bring up about LeBron though, is that he basically grew up in Truman show. Like he went to high school in the Truman show. Nike and Adidas were putting up billboards in his hometown aimed only at him. Like they had an intended audience of him.

Like the whole world literally revolved around him as a sophomore in high school. And he managed to like not let that drive him crazy. So I do I do think what he's been able to accomplish is like on another level from, I think, anything I've seen like anywhere, you know? He could be so, and who knows, right? Maybe the story is still being written, but I could imagine many more instances with that type of scrutiny where he would not end up that way. I can think of, you can name all of them

that went through that fire and they came out visibly bruised. Like you think of, I love the great, I can name all the greats, but you're like, okay, this is the result of being under that type of scrutiny. Bron is for them, and look, I'm not a psychologist, but for the most part, like I'm thinking he's the most accessible superstar

that we have in the league. Kobe wasn't on Twitter talking to people or whatever the, he just, he didn't have an approachable style about him. He liked who he liked and we found that out after he passed away. But it wasn't LeBron could be so much more than I think we give him. He's very charitable in a lot of ways, in a lot of ways. And then, and also in other ways he's not, but you earn that. Yeah. He's also kind of a dork. I feel like that's the one thing we learned from that.

I mean, we've been learning it for years, but like that, he's willing to show that side. Exactly. A lot of these athletes are like, I'm just too cool to school. I'm cool for all that. I don't do all that. You are really just silly. All of us are. Exactly. You're right. It's like you truly can't tell me anything. I am going to say all my favorite lines from Beetlejuice and dress up like Beetlejuice. That's just what it's going to be.

Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and I guess we'll talk about the Lakers maybe. I don't know. Los Angeles? Yeah. Yeah. From Los Angeles. That's where they are now. I remember them from Minneapolis, but yeah. Got it. Quick break. We'll be right back. What's up, everybody? I'm Dan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast, some I Heart podcast in the National Hockey League. It's NHL Unscripted with Burke and Demers.

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There's a lot of hope on the podcast and I feel like anybody who's only following the NBA via this podcast is just hearing a steady decline in the Laker Hope but it's Jabari you think it's Jabari. You think it's perimeter D. That's where you're seeing the problem. They can't, they're turnstiles.

And that has been the situation for the last few years. You know, no disrespect to anybody because you know, obviously, you know, I love my guys, but they can't stop anybody on the perimeter. They can't really get back, you know, stop fast breaking your teams that are pushing the pace. They're overly reliant on LeBron. I mean, stop me if you heard this before.

Overly reliant upon LeBron and Anthony Davis. And quite frankly, you know, when they went into the year, you know that I was less optimistic than I had been. And this is why, because the reality is, yes, it's great to have Anthony Davis and play through him and have him play well. It's great to have LeBron when he's, you know, when he's right. Obviously, it's still incredible to have LeBron when he's, you know, when he's right. Obviously it's still incredible to have LeBron, but the reality is to expect it every night or a majority of an 82 game season is just unrealistic.

Do we think the way that the, so the Lakers, the sons, the warriors all kicked off the season looking good. And since then they've kind of fallen off a little bit. KD got hurt, his game hasn't fallen off, but like both Steph and LeBron have started showing signs of age. Do we think the Olympics was less a sign of things to come and more like the NBA equivalent of Space Cowboys, where it was like one last great hurrah for like the greats. And now we're like kind of seeing it's like, all right, that was that was something. But like we can't.

That's not going to keep happening. Like that was that was the last one. That was the last job that they pull you in for. You know, wait, wait, what are you saying? Are you saying this was that was that was the bronze last chip that he got and is over or is it heading in that direction? Was that like Steph, KD, LeBron going out on top? You're saying none of them getting any more chips. That's a wrap for them. That is a wrap for them.

Is it is that what we're seeing or is this me overreacting to them? Just going through a rough patch in the middle of the first half of the season? I think that's not an overreaction take. That's a logical from what we've seen take. Someone could say that. I just don't, any of them, Steph and LeBron specifically, I just don't put anything past them. I just can't discount them and just put them in and say it's a wrap. There's just no way I can say that with 100% confidence. I can say, I know why you're thinking that and that's a very fair question to ask. In fact, it's a great question to ask. I'm sure that there are people who feel that way because someone's always hungrier. Someone's

always ready to take it from you. But experience in this league is so invaluable. So I see everybody get ahead of themselves and think they're at the head of the class. And then they learn when they're playing with the big boys, you're like, oh, okay, this is a, you just see it. You see them change overnight. So I don't know, I can't say that, but it's not a bad question to ask. It's a fair question to ask. I just can't say that with 100% confidence.

Because I feel like the Lakers might still try to have some tricks up their sleeves. I feel like LeBron has been able to do some things behind the scenes that we don't know. I think that's another reason why people get mad at him because he has so much power. And his players that we've ever seen in real time have his power displayed in real time. Like we haven't. That's this. That whole thing. I haven't. I'm sure Jordan was doing it just in different ways, but we didn't have social media and we weren't really aware of it. It was just a special thing that we thought he was.

But I have never I've never seen the way somebody can move the game pieces the way that LeBron does. So I don't know. I don't know. By the way, like in the broad sweep of history, if like that was their last great hurrah, it was like a really cool, like it makes it like an even cooler story. They're like, yeah, they just like pulled it together and like won the gold medal. Like despite the fact that they were at a point in their career that nobody wanted to admit at the time they were. And they were like, we're just going to defy that. And I don't want no matter what I'm saying.

You can't, you can't put anything after we just watched that. You're like, wait, so they just did that. Can we actually say it's a rap for them? Cause they surely don't believe it. Like, no, it'll be like, put on my small shorts. I can still get, do you remember when Jordan, when it was the, when they were celebrating the 75th and as soon as magic walked in the room, Jordan said, you right there, I got the deal, let's go one on one right now? Yeah, no.

They never stopped thinking that. Magic, to this day, says that the Golden State Warriors imitated the Lakers. They were built off the Showtime Lakers. He was like, I would still take them though, because we did it like, okay, listen, I'm not mad that they didn't do it. the OK. Listen, I'm not mad that they didn't do it. So I know I don't know. I think that's a fair. That would be great. That was their last hurrah in the story. When we write this, when we look back on this, when the movie is done, when whatever 30 for 30 is done and LeBron is sipping Lobo's tequila

and telling this version of the story. And they're like, I can say that. He's like, sure. We can. Do you, I'm sorry. Do you not know that I'm LeBron James? I can. And then the, then the cigar, of course, like emulating everything Jordan did.

100%. Still dressing like it was 30 years ago. We're in boot cut jeans for some reason. What is that? Is that in anymore? No, that's not. Oh, they were just so high. You're like, yeah, they were really high.

What are you doing? Yeah. Tucked in shirt. I think to each of your points to react like you see what we saw in the Olympics and that's what that's what makes them so tempting. That's what makes their teams think I mean Can we string it out over the course of 82 just to get them to it to the to the 16 tournament? Because like if you're asking me do I have faith in this Lakers team over the course of 82 versus do I have faith in?

Them over the course of 16. It's a completely different answer Not they're not built for the long haul But if you give you know, if there's a sprint, hey, you know what? I'll take my chances. When LeBron at XX years old, when they went to the Western Conference finals, I thought to myself, it was horrid. It was horrid.

But when they beat the Golden State Warriors, I was like, oh, this is like to see that to me. And he still wasn't at his best, but it was still something unbelievable. It almost felt, the Western Conference finals for me felt like the NBA finals. Like that felt like finals for me in terms of watching those two teams, how great they were. Now, he did what he could do.

He got jumped, they got jumped, they got beat down. They met him in the alley with bats. He couldn't do it. He couldn't do it. You can only do what you can do. He couldn't do it. He couldn't you can only do what you can do Enough but it was still to me You know when we look back on it, I think we will say no He really was the chosen one like nobody could really pull that off

I get and the way Steph is and how what a and Seth had been a superstar the stuff is so humble So so amazing it's like and he's just like even but ready. So it makes it hard for people not to think they can't be a superstar and be like Steph. Like I think Steph could I still I really think Steph has some stuff left in a tank. He really does. I hope so. I agree. All right.

How about the Grizzlies? Now a two seed. This was a lot of people sleeper pick coming in to the season, got off to like a, not rocky start, but you know, they were like a few games over 500 and then they've reeled off a bunch in a row and just have had a really nice run now. Now the two seed, Triple J is averaging 22 six,

two blocks, 1.4 steals, shooting a career high 51.7 from the floor. Seven guys are averaging double figures and another two are just, are like, smart is at 9.6, hustle at 9.4. So it's basically like nine guys averaging double figures, which like most people don't have like a nine man rotation. Like that's wild.

Well that's a difference from last year right because didn't they have the least points last year didn't they average the least points last year I think they were I was reading that they were average that entire team had like maybe 109 per game I think they they've turned it around I don't know that's what I was reading in athletic earlier. Yeah I've always liked the Grizzlies Sans Dylan and he sans now but I've always liked the Grizzlies. I've always thought they were special. I always think that the regular season 21 games in and this is like I 2021 game that I just I'm going to say I'm excited about everything that I'm seeing. But when it matters, it matters, right?

We're coming back. All Star break. Let's have the same conversation after all start break. Let's see where we are. Like I think that's when you know who came to play. Because there are all sorts of things that happen. I think that they are going to do well. I think Ja has a lot to prove. I think after a lot of media nonsense that he had to deal with and answers and questions and whatever he was dealing with, he's quiet. I don't know if he's

figured it out, but he's quiet and that's all that matters. And the attention is on the court. And I feel like he's leading in a way that is like, we just cared a ball. You said backwards dunk the other day. I do that all the time. Yeah, I do it. Yeah. So I want to talk about that backwards. First of all, he said last week he wasn't trying to dunk as much anymore. Okay. And then proceeded to pull off one of my favorite dunks I've ever seen him do. A lot of people were comparing it to Vince Carter. So he went up and then basically it was a double pump,

but the double pump is usually a stylistic flourish, but he was doing it to literally fake people out. Like again, it reminded me of the, I think I spent 20 minutes talking about that game where he had those two reverse 360 layups earlier this season and Neither of them were like to be fancy it was he he was moving his body in a way to functionally like give himself the best chance of Making it like and that's what this feels like he went up

Everybody jumped with him and then he just like ducked under them and dunked it over his head because he Can fly I think is what yeah. Yeah And it was on the celdics, which makes me happy makes you be more happy delicious He's he's sick. There is that to watch him, but he's you're just like wait How does that happen? Who does that and the instincts his instinct? I would be okay So I'm gonna go to what I, arguably the most athletic player that we have in the league right now. They used to say that about, in football, they would say that about Aaron Rodgers when he was in his heyday.

He's the most athletic quarterback you've ever seen. Just the moves that he does, just his instinct, how he moves and he turns. And I feel that same way about Jha, like watching him. And before Jha, there was Russell. Russell was so athletic. Like he could just do stuff. I remember Jordan, here comes my official brag telling me at All-Star one year at the Jordan party that he would pay money out of his pocket to watch Russell Wilson, excuse me, Westbrook. I always do that. He was like, because he's so athletic. And that was just one of the things that he was so impressed by his athleticism. Johnot is unbelievable. That literally the duck and then the go up and then it was just like a light, he really wasn't trying to duck. I agree with him. It's just like a, just a light little,

it's something to do. Dunking apparently hurts. Like that's what that's also from that Netflix series, Anthony Edwards was like, I don't like to dunk, it but it's also like people it gets people up it gets you guys excited so I'll keep doing it yeah Vince is sick as you will know I guess was remember he was posting dunking at 40 plus years old still does every now and again yeah yeah that was funny bit what was Vince saying the other day he came on the show Vince Vince is a friend Yeah, yeah, we love Vince on this show. All right, Dallas has one seven straight nine out of ten I don't know what it is about me that I'm just like never excited when Dallas is doing well, no good reason

People of Dallas don't get mad at me because I have no good reason. I think it goes back to the Kennedy assassination. I just don't like your city. But no, that's not fair. It's also, I don't get excited about Luca for no good reason. I just don't, but seven straight nine of 10, Lucas putting up 29, eight and eight, Kyrie 24, five and five. Kyrie is still one of the most exciting people to watch with the basketball in his hand. And then Clay has been like, you know, he's has his quiet nights here and there,

but 13 and four steady off the bench. Um, or is he, is he starting? No, he's starting. Yeah. Okay. Steady, not off the bench. Uh, and then their fourth and offensive efficiency and eighth and defensive efficiency So they're they're just solid they're gonna be there. That's exactly what they are. They're solid

That is exactly how you feel about them But I wouldn't be surprised if they've really put it all together and made it to really became like last man standing Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised by that. That wouldn't surprise me They really put it all together and made it to really became like last man standing. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised by that. That wouldn't surprise me. I think just because like the history of that team, they know how to do it. Luca, while he doesn't excite you, he gets it done. Luca and Jokic remind me of each other, but Jokic more so, I don't want to switch topics,

but the way they play the game is very different from how I grew up watching the gameplay. So it takes a little bit of that luster away and the excitement. So that is probably why it feels very demure. It feels very laid back. Yeah. Demure is in this season. It's like the Webster word of the year. Maybe we should be happy that they play so demurely. Yeah, I also, you know what, I'm also, you know, as somebody who roots against the Celtics more than I root for any team, I'm also, I think I have like it in my memory that they just like didn't look like they had a realistic shot against the Celtics.

So I don't want them to be who the Celtics face in the finals necessarily, because I don't feel like they've changed enough to provide a serious challenge. But I could be wrong. Maybe it's just another year. Yeah. And I'm inherently black, Mr. Celtic. So we could bash Boston all day on this podcast. I love that. That's what we do here. Yeah. That's the alternative name for the show. Yes, also. Yeah. So I just, and I will say this. I wouldn't when they end,

they'll probably go and win it. It's hard to create a dynasty. It's hard to win back to back. It's hard to win back to back to back. Like what we have seen the Celtics do in yesteryear, the Lakers or even the the Warriors for that matter. That's just not common. I just don't. I don't I'm not I'm not a believer yet. So a hater so you take that up for you want to take it. I love it. That is fair. I mean maybe the calves have the best chance of knocking them off is just like not even letting them get to the bottom. That's right. I mean look the Sixers what are we what Oh, really good. So I don't know if you saw, but they they're five and five and I am bragging. They're five and five or the last time I'm bragging about that.

I don't know. I could see them like put start putting some wins together now that Embiida is back. And, you know, he put up 31 last night. It's again, it's been like the same way that I was saying Orlando, I check and they won again. Like that. That is not what I expected. Like given who is healthy, like they keep winning the Sixers, the exact opposite. I'm just like, again, to the Pistons, like, you know, like it's it's yeah. OK, this is it. Enough said. Right. Yeah. But I mean, they've they've had a couple of wins to some teams

that they should have beat. And it does feel like they'll eventually start playing better. Like all their individual parts have had good games at this point. They just need to. And I would be surprised if Nick Nurse just like suddenly was a bad coach. Like, you know, I don't think he had a great playoffs last year, but like I, I think they'll be probably all right. And they'll be in the mix at not like for the top of the East,

but I think they'll probably, I think they'll be in the mix. I don't know. Cause I was, I was trusting. So I don't know, I could, that is an enigma. That team in itself, yet again, I'm waiting for the deep, deep secret story to be told. Like in itself, like it's, you're like, wait, what happened? There was this meme going around, and I'm sorry, because I'm going to say it, there was this meme going around. It was the picture of Joel Embiid and it said, if we get an argument and I send you this, that means I'm not getting involved. That's about right.

And that is about right. Right. And I was just like, I'm not getting involved at all. And it was so accurate. But I was I don't know what's going on. I have no concept. And I don't know why there's always so much Going on out off the court. I just it just seems Fascinating to me and I'm like why do we should know this? This is too much for me to know. It's not my business

Yeah, well speaking of crying. Let's take a quick break I'm gonna do that and then we're gonna come back and finish out by talking about yokich and picking a game of the week And doing the rapid fire round of questions. We'll be right back. What's up, everybody? I'm Dan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast, I Heart Podcasts in the National Hockey League. It's NHL Inscripted with Burke and Demers.

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I hate when that happens. It was good though. It feels good kind of, you know, just need to replenish. Need some Gatorade. All right. We want to talk about Jokic. The team, not as good as years past. He is maybe better than years past. After winning three or four MVP awards, he recently dropped 48, 14, and eight assists on the Hawks. Let me just go through. He is averaging 32.3 points career high, second in the league, 13.6 rebounds,

second best of his career, first in the league, 10.2 assists, career high, second in the league, and shooting 50% from three with 4.4 attempts, which are both career highs. This is... What? That's a great question. This is... What? That's a great question. This is what?

Well, but what? Like he's almost he's almost leading the league in scoring. And then he's like, what was the last time we had somebody lead the league in all three categories? Has anybody would have been willed? Did they will lead the league and assist one of the seasons? He definitely led the league in this three categories. Has anybody? Would it have been willed? Did they will lead the league and assist one of the seasons? He definitely led the league and assist one season, but I don't know if he also like as a bit, right? Let's see.

He was like, this would be funny, right? Basically. Yeah. He basically said like, okay, I'll do it. Let's just assume it hasn't been done for somebody to be doing it at a time when there's more talent in the league. There's more better players in the league than we've ever seen is just completely unfathomable.

So we were talking about this and then Jabari said, they'll be there in the end. They'll be like a top three in the West by the end of the year. Sure. I don't think that. Oh, what do you think? I think they're going to be like six through ten in the West level I don't think they have enough even with him playing this out of his mind like remember how they were a few years back when Like Jamal Murray was injured all the time like that. That's kind of how they

Feel again to me like I feel like that's where they're gonna end up again I like to preface every statement before I, because I speak with a little bit of bitterness the way they beat down my leg. You're so bad. Yeah. Nobody like that. Nobody like that. I want to say I agree with you, but there's something about, and I don't know if it's contagious, but we'll see. It's just so hard. God, it's so hard. So early to make predictions. And I don't know if it's contagious, but we'll see. It's just so hard. God, it's so hard.

So early to make predictions. But the way he plays basketball to me, it's a job. He plays it, of course it's a job. What do you mean, Carrie? He plays like he is painting a house. Like I have, the house must be painted by the end of the day and it has to get done. Otherwise I won't get paid and for him to

be leading in all of those categories is just that everyday blue collar worker mentality of this is what I have to do to get this win this is what I have to do because this is my job and there's something so very admirable about that remember Remember when he was like, there's a parade. I've got to get back home. Oh, he was so like his whole body like sang like serious. He saw his shoulders drop when they told him he had to be at the championship parade. And he's like talking to like one of the coaches or somebody. He's like, when, when is it? Yeah. Great thing. Serious?

Yeah. We just did it. We won. We did it. We celebrated. We had the champagne. So I almost feel like that's a little contagious and people can't help but respect that, especially when it gets down to time to get down to it. But we'll see.

Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. I don't think he's gone anywhere. I just I don't know that the team is. Yeah. Yeah. You hear him say that or the other day. I don't know that the team is. Yeah. Yeah. You hear him say that or the other day, I don't know if it was today or the other day, he said, he said, where I come from, when you don't play well, your patient won't look the same. Yeah. Let's

just start doing that. Could you imagine? These players not getting that same check that they're used to getting if they don't play well. The anarchy would happen, but it might work. Who knows that might they need to maybe they need to make some new rules. I don't know. I think Balmonte had the best response to that. He just quote, we didn't say this is America, Jack. No, we're not doing that. We're not going for that over here.

We don't do that here. We what we are spoiled and privileged. What are you saying? What's happening? But quickly on that, I was talking about it with Jack before the show and I said, there just feels to be like an inevitability about him. Where it, and that, I think that lends itself to the point that you just made where it may not look flashy. It may not be as aesthetically pleasing as other players, but he's going to get the job done. And for whatever reason, you just feel like, no,

at the end, he's going to finish. That's it. And that's what it's going to be. And if you like it, you like it. And if you don't, you don't like, sorry, what else to tell you? It's like being chased by Michael Myers in a Halloween movie. I am going to get you. You are not going to, or I'm still going to survive even if I don't get you. Trust me, it's going to be a part four or five, six and seven, but we'll see. I mean, gosh, so early, so early. All right. I think it's time for the rapid fire round of questioning. OK, this is the fastest segment of podcasting.

We're going to ask you a series of questions. You're just going to give us the first thought that crosses your mind. Sometimes I'm known to, uh, dawdle, dilly and dally a bit. And you just have to ignore that and, you know, push through, uh, as, as we ask you these questions. Um, uh, Brian, Brian, would you start the clock please? Wait a second. Or why are we breaking tradition here? Brian start the clock. There? Wait a second. Why are we breaking tradition here?

Brian, start the clock. What's the tradition that we're breaking? I have to yell at Brian to get the rapid fire round of question. Thank you, Brian. Love you. All right, Jabari, I want you to start. I got you. So it's almost as though, Kerry, you had a look at our doc prior to

just about 10 minutes ago. You basically asked this question. So I will ask you now. Solely as an athlete and dunker pick one. Jaa, prime Russ, you know, just those two Jaa or prime Russ. Oh, primer us. Oh, OK. Wow. OK. There was there was there was a force there that you just didn't see from a six

three guy. And it was a story. Each story was there was so much more behind us because he never talked. You remember, he didn't say anything. We knew he was just like, he had to do it. Only time we heard from him was when he was dunking. And when he was being interviewed, he was like, yeah, no, okay. You know, and I was like, and let him dunk then. And so I was like, that's all I wanted to see. I didn't need you to, and then the dancing. So he only gave me two versions. And I was like, okay, I'm just going to go prime rest. I just have to. Yeah.

He was basically like, hey, look, I dunked for you. I danced for you. What more do you want? What more do you need? The amount of energy that was expended, like just on one trip up the court with him was like, like, I feel like that was the highest amount of energy expended and he just had it, you know, he, he had it to go. Like he could do that, but I understand why he was not,

he did not have energy for people's bad questions at the end of the game. All right. You can recommend one burger spot from LA to someone who's in town for a Lakers game. We going in and out. We going fat burger. We going Tommy's.

What are we thinking? We're going to go fat burger. Fat burger. We're going to go fat burger. I need to start going to fat we thinking? I'm gonna go fat burger. Fat burger. I'm gonna go fat burger. Man, I need to start going to fat burger. I'm gonna go fat burger. You absolutely do, if you have not been going. What's the order of fat burger?

I would just get the original, but if you're watching your rate, you can get the original skinny and it's not as bad. But the reason why is because there is something about just straight up some relish, some secret sauce, separate, not together, right? Because usually they mix them together, separate, not together. Mustard, ketchup, mayo, pickles, onions. What? All of it.

Give it all. I need a fat burger. I mean, see, the trouble is I'm stuck here in Tucson about 99 miles from one right now. So yeah, here we are. You know, it's just like you shared a terminal diagnosis with Carrie Oh, no All love to the great city of Tucson, but yeah You can't get to Faber that was a maybe she should build one here we are okay hey they got them in Mexico I'm told by Brian the editor and you can even get crazy but you'd add chili to it if that's her thing you can get real sloppy with it like it just

really is a hallmark I love some in-and-out in and out as quick as trendy lines are long everybody don't get me wrong love love love love some in and out but you want old school representation. You need, you need a fat burger. There it is. All right. One more for you. Your team has a final possession and is down to in a game seven of the finals.

Which player from throughout your franchise history do you want with the ball in his hands? You know, I'm going to say something and I'll probably regret it. Oh, there are moments, there's key moments something and I'll probably regret it. Oh, there were moments there's key moments But I I will I shall never forget and I'm not gonna say magic. I'm not gonna say Kobe I'm not even gonna say cream but when we needed a three Derek Fisher thing. Hey, you know what Wow I did not expect And I know he's a controversial step of the weight, but for some, not for me.

He used to get it done. Like he was, he was always clutch. Always. We needed three and he was there. We're down to three game winner. 2009 finals against the magic. You know, in that comeback at the end of that guy, I think it was game four who knocked down the big three.

That was D fish Bob too, but I'm going to go with a friend of show for it. Yeah. My good friend, Robert or. All right. Sorry. We're just double. We're just getting the score in from the judges and yeah, that was 100%. You got every single one of those rights.

Those were the correct answers. Carrie champion. Thank you so much for joining Miles and Jack. And sometimes Jabari got Matt Boosby's. Where can people find you follow you? All that good stuff. Carrie champion, my name on Instagram, not so much on Twitter anymore. Threads. You can also follow me on YouTube, got a YouTube channel.

It's all good. I put all my stuff up. You follow me on Instagram, I give you everything. All the things. And my podcast, of course. Of course. So you gotta listen to it. So go to iHeart where you get all your favorite podcasts and I'm there. There you go.

Yeah, really good one. Art Basel athlete podcast with some athletes that are into art now. The world's intersect, so it's good. All right. Fantastic. Well, amazing. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, Jack. Make sure you give us a follow on Twitter. I'm at Jack underscore O'Brien and Jackob1 on Blue Sky. Miles is at Miles of Grey on both. And Jabari, where can people find you? Jabari A. Davis on Twitter. It is still Twitter forever, going down with the ship.

Going down with the ship. But also, Blue Sky is where I do most of my action now. So Jabari Davis in the air. You can also follow hashtag Matt Bustes for show links, updates. Be sure to join the conversation on our Discord, which you can also find the link for when you search hashtag Matt Bustes. And that is another one in the books. We did it. Episode, what was this Jab bar episode 133 episode 143 they said we wouldn't make it and we really did it swish from way downtown we'll be back next week with more Matt

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