The Daily Zeitgeist - MJGMB # 80: Boldest Predictions with Matt Lieb

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

The guys were honored to be joined by comedian and podcaster Matt Lieb on today’s episode. The trio went through Jasmyne Wimbish’s top-20 under 25 list before jumping into some of the boldest listener predictions for the upcoming season! Top 20 Players Under 25 The 15 Craziest Growth Spurts in NBA History  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ah, well it come, well it come, well it come And well it she, well it she, well it she If it isn't Matt Leib, comedian, writer Now that the strike is over Hopefully writing again Podcaster CJ Mike Wellicum yes yes we will be talking about him later um uh jack do you want to ask him the question we used to

start off the podcast uh matt lieb comedian writer podcaster not big we have to ask do you like the nba um no i love it what's the music over that or something oh man that joke has killed my uh five and seven year old for like a year straight now they still they still love the i don't like it i love it i still remember when i first saw ralph macchio use that and karate kid but yes uh to answer your question i i do love the nba um if i'm being completely honest with you from about 1996 to i would say around 2012 was me at the height of my nba love uh and then over the course of the last however many years, 11 years, I've started watching it less and less. But I have

for the last few years been tuning in again to my Lakers. Once I got over the whole LeBron James joining the Los Angeles Lakers, I decided... Are you a LeBron hater? Big time.

Original hater. Wow. Hated him from the beginning. Wow. Since the St. Vincent, St. Mary days. I remember that. That's right. Yeah.

I just planted outside the high school saying, Boo! They're like, this guy's younger than me. He wasn't even playing basketball. He was just in math class. Yeah. I see you. Yeah, yeah.

Uh-uh. This is bull crap. You're a Lakers fan? Lakers class. I see you. Yeah, yeah. Uh-uh. It was bull crap. You're a Lakers fan? Lakers fan. That's right. Wait, so from 96 to 2012, you were Lakers. And then you kind of were like, okay, let me just. Yeah, well, so I think what had happened.

So first 1996, why was I a Lakers fan? Simply because Shaq showed up. Yeah, of course. And it was like at the time where there were two players that everyone was like, these are the best players. It was Michael Jordan and Shaquille O'Neal. Everyone was like, these are the two guys. You know, it's Reebok versus Nike.

At least as a kid, that's what I thought. I thought it was like, there's two people who are great. There's two people who have silhouette logos of them doing something cool with a basketball. And one of them raps. Yes. And one of them is a genie. So as soon as we got Shaquille O'Neal, I decided to stop, you know, because as a kid, you're a Bulls fan in the nineties. If you're a kid in the nineties, you were a Bulls fan unless your parents, uh, like really instilled like home team love for you for whatever. And my parents were not huge sports people, but, uh, yeah,

as soon as we got Shaq, I was like, okay, I'm a bandwagon Lakers fan and then i stuck with them all the way until i think it was 2011 that i mean winning in game seven against the boston nine and ten it was nine and ten nine and ten nine and ten nine and ten yeah yeah that's right because yeah that's right oh eight that was a bad year for me yeah yeah yeah yeah there was something about them winning and i was at staples center not in the actual arena. I was outside at LA Live watching it. And it was like a really close game. I think it was, it went to overtime and Ron Artest hit that, you know, that shot.

And it was just beautiful. And there was something about it where I felt like this journey, you know, I had gone through this journey with the Lakers. And it felt like such a beautiful bookend. Wow. And you're like, beautiful bookend. Wow. And you're like, here I go. Off to the sunset. And I kept watching, but I got less and less interested.

And yeah. So I'm really glad to be on this basketball podcast. We are going to be talking about 2003 Lakers, right? Yeah, yeah. Only. Only. I got some thoughts about Chris Webber, first of all. Let's go. I don't like him all right john whether i don't think sacramento kings are any good i think dj and benga needed more love that's the thing about him and you know what that page is so jagovic he's all right he can

stay i mean so yeah right now it's still it's very light you know We're waiting for news to emerge. I think right now, the biggest thing that everyone's holding their breath over is where does Damian Lillard end up? Right now, the most alarming rumor is that the Celtics might be putting together a package that's good enough for him to go that way. Which would break my little Laker heart. There's so many things flying around. One minute,. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, there's, there's so many things flying around. It was like one minute.

It's like, yeah, he's going, he's not, he's not who, who knows it's this team. It's Charlotte. It's Raptors. Heat and Celtics seem to be the three leading candidates.

Yeah. And there are two of those that I'd be okay with. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't there also like some some rumor that phoenix might get involved and try and pull him in in in exchange for aiden is that am i making that well yeah that that well if you look like portland would get aiden this is like if phoenix got involved they would get nurkic robert williams payton pritchard and

luke cornett it would be that would that's what that's what that would be like wild if they just went all offense the the sons were just like yeah you've got dame beal book and katie like and that's just we're just going to try and outscore you straight up first to 200 my youth yeah yeah the sons of my youth where they were all just running and gunning that's all they did they'll put up you know 120 points but they would lose yeah right yeah ultimately they would um it was wonderful to watch yeah good to a point good to a point yeah i mean what else speaking of kind of laker adjacent things uh dwight howard apparently was working out with the warriors uh but they decided to pass on that one they're passing on twice yeah i don't know just give it a few more years i think he's the next

shack he might have something he might have and then he had this like very interesting tweet where he just said only as a warrior can one withstand the path of knowledge. A warrior cannot change or cannot complain or regret anything. His life is an endless challenge. And challenges cannot possibly be good or bad. Challenges are simply challenges. And the Warriors were like, actually, you know what? You made some really cool points about our team mascot carlos castaneda quote we're back yeah

we're back sir we didn't realize you were so well read so yeah it's a great quote it's a great i mean it's it's what if he had like really just wanted to be on the jazz and wrote the exact same thing a jazz but it's a jazz only as a jazz can one withstand the path of knowledge a jazz cannot complain i have the jazz spirit in my heart yeah he loves oh my gosh he was was he on oh yeah did you see him on never have i ever on netflix he actually had a pretty decent comedic performance in that. I love when basketball players can be funny. Yeah, like he has a cameo in a gym scene and the guy's a Clippers fan

that he's talking to and he kind of gives him a little ribbing, but he got chops. He has some chops, not gonna lie. That's the thing though, I always hope that that is going to translate into actual basketball greatness,

but it doesn't always like for me, I was always like Blake Griffin, funniest guy. Um, and cause I would watch him and stuff and I'd be like, he's funny. He's so funny. I would be,

I feel like I would be friends with Blake Griffin. Right. Um, and then, uh, but then, you know, none really doesn't translate apparently no that was

like yeah like anthony edwards i'm like this guy's great this guy's hilarious guys acting's fantastic yeah yeah was that will that turn to rings i don't know i can see like i i was just watching money ball fairly recently and like the scenes with like the old school scouts being like he's a five tool athlete he's got he's got the look he looks great you know i could see like old school nba scouts being like he's funny but is he too funny you know the two the funniness doesn't always work out you know what happens these guys yeah if they're performing too much that they're not focused on the game that's real it's another thing another thing that was a fun update uh we you know in the early during the season we like to bring up poor business decisions

as we call it uh when someone tries to contest a dunk and realizes, sir, you've just won the contest to end up on a post. Last year, we gave one of our favorite poor business decisions to Landry Schammett as Aaron Gordon quite literally now immortalized him in the form of a necklace pendant. It's criminal. It's criminal. This was a Christmas game? Yeah, maybe.

Damn, that's crazy. I guess he got that cold and his not on Christmas, man. That's what he said to him as it was happening. It is, I mean, it is one of the bravest charges i've ever seen somebody take he totally gives up his body yeah the dunk and then it is what one of the most gruesome things i've ever seen but it is funny because like it's it's no

one remembers that it was a charge no they're just like no that's the thing that is the charge and then it was every time oh right right right right right right oh it oh so it was actually called a charge in the moment initially and then they looked back and they were like sorry man that was too sick you uh we gotta give it to him uh we we need this highlight for like posterity for our grandchildren it's really it's a risk that you take every time you're just like you know defensively my team needs this but also um i could be immortalized as yeah you know yeah just get completely posterized it's it's that's an it's a really nice piece of yeah so he made so aaron gordon made a chain out of like there's like flesh tone uh jewels on it like it's it's like a

drawing of it uh and then just like diamonds it's it's like a jesus piece but of the moment with landry shamit uh just falling backwards as a Gordon rises over him, but he is holding the championship trophy in his hand. Uh, what looks like a microphone. Yeah. It does look like a big microphone. Like he's trying to let God have the last word on this one.

Care to comment? Nope. All right. Sending him to you, man. Sending him on up. Um, it's,

it's a strong, it's a strong decision it would be it would also be a nice piece of jewelry without landry shamit underneath but the landry shamit is absolutely necessary for it's the whole point yeah yeah it's wild yeah when you're like actually bro i'm taking your you're part of this just so you know you are inextricably tied to this part of history yeah yeah you know like the two guys next to j Jesus on the cross who were also being crucified. Yeah, you never see a Jesus piece with Pontius Pilate on it. Right.

Why not? Why not? The main antagonist. But yeah. And then just in some fun news about wild growth spurts, apparently, hour forward, the Lakers. vanderbilt jared vanderbilt uh he basically was seemed to confirm that he grew about two inches this i don't know that he confirmed it he said it and then that's what the streets are saying he said he pointed out people

this rumor is being spread um yeah it's it's definitely interesting like he started his high school career very short like in the low fives and then had like two massive growth spurts um right this is all courtesy there was like a reddit thread that then got turned into a youtube video that is basically him working out with ruey and it's's like, Rui's supposed to be 6'10", and Jared Vanderbilt appears to have an inch on him. All of a sudden, Jared Vanderbilt has been listed at 6'9", or 6'8", up to this point. And I don't know.

I could see it. He says it jokingly. Maybe Rui's been overshooting his height a little bit. Oh, it has been done before. It has. I was trying to remember if there had been... I know that there

have been rumors that, yeah, a guy grew three inches over the summer about NBA players, but I couldn't find... All I could find is this article, Craziest Gross Spurts in NBA players, but I couldn't find, like, all I could find is like, you know, this article, craziest growth spurts in NBA history. And it's all growth spurts that happened like in high school or college. Right. Nobody grows during their NBA career. It would appear. Yeah. At 24 years old or whatever. Yeah. It's like getting an extra two inches. Although I have seen there's

like this surgery now that people are getting where they're elongating their uh you know their shins yeah so uh looks very painful yeah it's that's painful and probably not good for you know if you're in a job that makes you run and jump no no yeah i don't know if that's testing the structural integrity of the bones at that point. Sure, sure. But at the same time, you know, maybe. Now you can wear sandals and feel secure about your height rather than wearing Timberlands to the beach all the time like me. That's right. That's why I always wear shoes because I say I'm six foot six, but really I'm like six foot five and a quarter and a quarter of a quarter.

Yeah. And which is basically six foot five and a half right which rounded up is six foot six but if i wear shoes then i'm six foot six just solidly yeah yeah of course yeah so i just don't take my shoes off and then the lie isn't a lie anymore and your secret's safe here um yeah no one listens to this one right so there's there is one of the of the wildest like mid-career growth spurts yeah i think the one that jack you you pulled up was cj mccullum yeah there is a picture in this article of cj mccullum i think mainly it it's just a wild visual because it is him we will lick off to the image in the in the show notes

it appears to be real it is him as a high school freshman before he grew 14 inches he is five foot two it's like he's like a baby i know he he truly why does he have a baby size head he looks like eight years old and he's on the court with because he's so good at basketball he is on the court with a bunch of white guys who just shaved their like mustaches and uh look yeah look like they could be in their mid-20s you know yeah right that is wild that's a real picture that is a real picture of cj mccall that is one of them you photoshops you put your baby's face on that i mean all right dude that was like one of the that's like the kind of growth spurt you you like prayed for yeah as a teenager because you've heard tell of these kinds of things like you know someone so up the street he grew up zero

six inches this summer yeah and you're like what's going on oh man to go from five two to what is that like let me do some quicks maths uh six four yeah he okay he went from five two to six four yeah between his freshman year high school i went from five'2 to 6'4. Yeah, between his freshman year of high school. I went from 5'2 to 6'4. Yeah. Did you? At some point. Yeah, sure, over time.

At some point, that happened. I was definitely 5'2. Probably not freshman year of high school. I don't know how tall I was freshman year. Were you kind of a late bloomer? Yeah, I mean, I wasn't that late of a bloomer it wasn't like it wasn't that you know right you weren't known as like the shortest guy in town no no i wasn't on the team too yeah i wasn't the size of a baby and i grew up to the size of a giant um but uh

no yeah i remember it was like uh summer uh Between 10th and 11th grade That's when I had my big one I came back School the next year And I was just like I was still a nerd But I was like a really tall nerd So people didn't know what to make of that

They're like do I tease him? Because he looks way taller this year It's going to be harder to give him a swirl The lockers aren't big enough to stuff him in he's gonna have to cooperate with this one yeah let's just uh let's just leave him alone yeah i think the remarkable thing about this is that he is on the court is really like at five foot two with zero muscle on his body uh he's on the court with full-grown men and they in a packed arena so they're clearly like doing well enough that they're like you know a people are coming up to

watch yeah and everybody except him looks completely exhausted so he's just like running circles around them and then he grew to be six foot four. So this is what makes you a very good player in the NBA is being awesome at five foot two. You were talking earlier about growth spurts that you wished you had. I did the same thing as I prayed. And at night, I would just stretch my legs to try to get taller.

Oh, just like extend them as far as you could with your own might? Extend them as far as I could and just point my legs to try to get taller oh just like extend them as far as you could like with your own might and just like point my toe and then try to use my heel to like you know just stretch come on come on um long story short it worked so um that's what you should have done that does seem like a thing like i didn't i never prayed or like asked for it officially i was just like man it would be nice if i was six foot six i'd be better at basketball but i never prayed or like asked for it officially i was just like man it would be nice if i was six foot six i'd be better at basketball but i never asked for it and it feels like all you have to do is ask like you imagine how much cj mccollum was asking to be 14 inches taller

um yeah and now look at you i heard he went to a, uh, like a fortune telling machine. And he was specific. He said, I want to be a six foot four shooting guard in the NBA. He didn't just say, I want to be big. And then the next morning he turns into Tom Hanks and is wanted for, for kidnapping himself. Um,

he's like, why is my, why is everyone calling me Josh? Why did my mom arrest me? It's me. I'm just Tom Hanks now. That's right. Alright, let's take a quick break and we'll come back.

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is... Yeah. He went from 5'9", between his junior year of high school, he is 5'9". His senior year of high school, he enters at 6'7". Oh, my God. Ends up at 7'1". Right, yeah.

So, senior year to what? Like, when did he finish growing it in the navy yeah okay so he grew six more inches for the navy team so much that at one point probably someone saw it happen yeah he's just standing there he's talking you know it's just like oh man you know the the food here in this boat is... Oh! There's stretches. You're doing your, like, baby... Ow! Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow.

It's okay. David just grew another two inches. He's doing, like, he's, like, military physical. The doctor's like, stand here. All right, let me put the little thing on your head. Stand still. It's like, hold on. Hey, don't get on your toes.

Wait, what the heck? Robinson, knock it off. Who has a slide with you rang uh yeah in the picture where he's five foot two his legs look really long and we were saying that we think this picture was taken like as like as a growth spurt was happening his legs grew first and like right like this is two seconds after his legs grew two inches and one second before his torso grew two inches manu ginobili also grew 13 yeah some wild stuff dennis rodman is the one that a lot of people talk about because he grew super late in life and like wasn't really like on a basketball court he just like came back he was five foot nine and then went to six foot seven and like everyone was like who's this six foot seven person we've literally never seen on a basketball court before yeah and became he's like i haven't seen me on a court

year and one of the greats yeah uh shall we take a look at this list of uh the top 20 players under 25 yeah i do any thoughts on this jack i want i want to talk about it. I do just want to get it out of the way up top because Celtics fans are going to have words. The disrespect of leaving Jason Tatum off this list. Yep. Oh, I thought it

would be just besides Jason Tatum. Right. Well, actually, Jason Tatum's over 25, but we always joke on here that he's perpetually 19 years old every time. People are like, Jason, how old is he? I think he's 19. I think he's 19. Is that right?

I think he's 19. Yeah. You look like a baby. I'm not going to look it up, and I'm not going to do the math. That's right. But he's 19. He's a 19-year-old boy. I mean, they say he's 25.

I guess it's a man. He's 25. He is 25. So he only doesn't qualify for this because it's under 25. Because we made the list under. Put under in there. That's crazy. I was like doing it as a joke because it does seem like he's been in the league for, like

he was going against LeBron when he was with the Cavs in the Eastern Conference Finals like multiple times. Seems like decades ago, but still 25. Still barely doesn't qualify for this list. But yeah, Jasmine Wimbish just decided to pick the top 20 under 25. I'll just go off real quick. It's Luka, Ja, Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Halliburton, Zion, Jaron Jackson Jr., Darius Garland, Lamello, Shaw, Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Halliburton, Zion, Jaron Jackson Jr., Darius Garland, LaMelo, Evan Mobley, Cade Cunningham, Franz, Paolo, Wemby, Ty Maxey, Josh Giddy, Scotty Barnes, Jalen Williams, not that Jalen Williams, the other Jalen Williams, Chet Holmgren, Tyler Harrow, and Nick Claxton. Did you say Luger? Yeah, Luger's number one.

Oh, you did. Okay. Yeah, I missed that. Sorry, Luger.? Yeah, Luka's number one. Oh, you did. Okay. I missed that. Sorry, Luka. Luka Doncic. Luka. The Joker. What about the other guy?

The Joker guy? He's over 25. Yeah, yeah. He is? He looks so old. He looks so young. Any top five, Jack, for you? I think we're all kind of looking at the same five here are we i mean i don't know it depends like i would put these are the top 20 players under 25 so we're

we're talking about them yeah being there already so yeah i guess i guess that that's a pretty good top five. Paolo feels like he should be a little bit higher. Right. Well, you know, look, I guess the expectations are high. Heavy lies the crown. That's right. That's wild. The thing that I most noticed from this

is that Jason Tatum is one year away from being on this list. He seems to be in such a different category than everybody on this list. Doesn't he? Like, yeah, no, he seems like a veteran.

These people are all like, man, the promise of these guys is career. And he's one year removed. That is wild. Yeah. I feel like, yeah,

Luker is kind of close in terms of perception. Yeah. Luker. Um, but it's not quite there yet like, yeah, Luka is kind of close in terms of perception. Yeah, Luka. But it's not quite there yet since man's been to the finals. So Anthony Edwards, yeah, I can see him at three. That feels about right. Luka is perennially MVP candidate. Ja, one of the most exciting players. It feels like a real fall off after those three

like then it gets into a category of like yeah you could you could make an argument for a lot of guys in the four or five position yeah for me it's like uh you you know you list the top five and i'm like i've heard of them and i i know and i know them and then after a while you're just naming people are like yeah those could be guys. They could not be guys. How could I know? Well, we're not lying. So, just trust us.

Just trust us. Alright, I believe you. You like Moby? You mean like the house guy? He does house music? Yeah, yeah. He's like techno. Oh, no.

He gets stomped by Obi. Yeah. That's my only reference. Is that Eminem lyric? That is an Eminem lyric. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I guess like who would you, because I know you were talking maybe Scoot should be on here, Jack.

Who would you? Yeah. I mean, if you're going to put Chet on, I would put Scoot on. Jack, who would you... Yeah. I mean, if you're going to put Chet on, I would put Scoot on. Yeah. Their claims to being on the list

is they've looked cool in Summer League games. So I feel like Scoot is going to be kind of immediately good. Right. But yeah, I don't know, man. It's like you either put... I feel like Wenbing Yama, you either put him all the way near the top five or not on here at all.

Right, right, right. Well, yeah, I guess it's just, that's just the expectation. I mean, I think like both Paolo and Wemby kind of right there in the same area. Is Ty Maxey, are we doing, is that the thing that's happened? Is that we're calling him Ty instead of Tyrese? I mean, I've seen that on the streets, on the emails. Is that what the streets have told us we're calling him Ty instead of Tyrese? I've seen that on the streets. Is that what the streets have told us we're doing now? On the posts, but I don't know.

We'll call him Mad Maxie. Mad Maxie. Okay. I'm good with that. Also, we also got to get to this. We were asking listeners for boldest predictions in terms of talking about what's your boldest prediction?

Who do you think is going to be MVP this year? Defensive player of the year, rookie of the year, six man, most improved Luther. Who are the surprise teams? It was wild. At least 50% of y'all said that Chet was going to be the rookie of the year,

which is, I mean, okay. I'm not, I don't, I don't, I don't think that's impossible, but I was surprised how like it really got a,

a majority of uh votes or you know submissions for sure well that's our demographic boosties listeners uh you know they're they're attracted to like people who are just like incredible athletes who can really sky and so obviously we're gonna have some big chet fans yeah yeah for sure for sure and also knowing that like you know you did you have money on the thunder i got money on the thunder um that's right thunder in the suns right thunder in the suns i did i did okay split my roulette winnings on the thunder in the suns you won some money in roulette i did accidentally oh like how much money did you make? $200-something, I think.

And then split. No, you made more than $200, I thought. It was $200-something. It was $200 and change. And you put it directly on the Thunder to take it all? To take it all. Because the last highlight I had seen was Chet Holmgren looking good in a summer league game. I was like, well, these guys are going to take it all the way.

and looking good in a summer league game. I was like, well, these guys are going to take it all the way. I was just looking for one team that was long odds and one team that was a favorite who might be interested, whose odds I like. Let me see if I can find my tickets here. You lost them? You're like, oh, no. I thought they were parking receipts.

Yeah, so 200-something, I put 100 on OKC to win it and 100 on the Suns to win it during summer league. All right. So we shall see. So if they're looking good and you catch Jack in the street,

go to his pocket. When you say to win it, do you mean the NBA championship? I do, yeah. Or have the best record in the summer? It doesn't seem like enough money that I stand to win it, do you mean the NBA championship or have the best record in the summer? It doesn't seem like enough money that I stand to win, to be honest with you. Like, if I... I think I should

get all the money. If I bet that OKC wins in the offseason and then that somehow happens, I should get all the money. Yeah, and a job in Washington. Oh, absolutely. The government should be like alright well we have a psychic here Weird

He watches one summer league highlight of Chet Holmgren and he gets the whole Dang thing He knows people put him in charge of health and human services Exactly I think we should go through some of these Boldest predictions And then

Matt you should make these boldest predictions and then Matt you should make your boldest prediction Miles and I can chime in with a couple of theirs so who do we got first Dad Sham Dad on Blue Sky Blue Ski boldest prediction Miami gets Dame

and wins it all that feels bold yeah it feels bold at the moment i just don't as as the as this saga drags on the less i'm like oh yeah he's gonna be in miami but who knows who knows what happens and then cut to he's in a celtics uniform yokich is his mvp defensive player of the year evan mobley rookie of the year wemby six man of the year chris paul most improved mikhail bridges surprise teams okc brooklyn okay yeah some nick claxton ben simmons duo right there it is yeah nobody's ever gotten poor underestimating ben simmons no no no no paul gaventa, MVP. PG. Jokic.

Depoy. AD. Interesting. Rookie of the Year, Scoot. Sixth Man of the Year, Brogdon. Brogdon? Coming back. When did we make this?

They've been just trying to trade him repeatedly. They're like, get him off our team. Out. What are you doing here? Most improved player, Shaden Sharp, prize teams, Bulls make the plan. Mavs miss the plan. So some of this feels

like Paul was making this prediction a year ago. Sorry, Paul. I'm just saying those are Mavs. That surprise thing is what happened last year, man. Come on. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, jump shot Bacula. Uh-oh. Jump shot Bacula. I knew you were going to go for this one first. Boldest prediction, Lakers missed playoffs. Straight to my heart. Locker room material. I love your jump shot Bacula.

That's locker room material right there for Miles and Jack. I'm Matt Boosies. Don't say that stuff out loud. Super rude. MVP Zion. That's bold. I'm Matt Boosties. Don't say that stuff out loud. Super rude. MVP Zion. That's bold. Yeah. Come on, man.

That's also a bold one. Defensive player, Evan Mobley. Rookie of the year, Chetty Chetty Bang Bang. Six man, Karras. And then most improved player, Nikhil. So, I don't know. I mean, yeah. This is the Eastern Surprise.

Cavs make the Eastern Conference Finals. Western Surprise. Mavs finish top four in the West regular season. The Mavs are really a lot of variability. They're divisive. I cannot blame anybody for that. I have no idea what they're going to be like this year.

Right. Because you can see it happening either way. You could be like, oh, okay, they've figured it out. Or okay lucas lucar's leaving right uh and then cole sandick said uh right now as of right now boldest prediction the mavs will not merely miss the playoffs but absolutely stink uh mvp nicole yokich player, Jaron Jackson Jr. Rookie of the year, Victor Wemby. Six-man, Benedict Matherin. And then most improved, Cade Cunningham. Surprise teams, Pistons and Rockets.

The Rockets is another one I could see. Am I to understand that it is a bold prediction to think that Jokic will be the MVP? Well, I think people were just saying they had their one boldest prediction. They have one bold prediction, and then they're allowed to give their boring predictions for everything else okay yeah but they're close to each other so i kept having the same thing yeah i was like they we give their bold and then we go right to mvp and i'm like well that's not bold cold yeah you've blown it bold yeah i don't know those aren't the rules that we made up. Matt, what's your boldest prediction?

What's the wildest thing? You know, just put it on. San Antonio Spurs win it all. Whoa. I love it. You know, because, I don't know, they still got Greg Popovich, right? Yeah. Okay.

So I don't know who's on the team necessarily, but I do feel like as long as you got Greg Popovich, your chances are always good. And then the rest of the predictions. Okay. So MVP, Anthony Davis. Wow. That's right. Most improved, LeBron James. Okay. Most improved. Wow. Perfect. That's right. Most improved. LeBron James.

Okay. Most improved. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I did not see that one coming. Well, he's been really bad for a lot of years. Yeah.

Real wobbly last season. This could be the season where he finally, you know, decides to play basketball good. You know what I mean? Most improved in your heart. Yeah. Sixth man of the year lebron james i think that you know he will be on the bench um being that this is 80s team now okay let's see what else defensive player of the year uh christian wood okay now that one i didn't see

of all the i could have seen vanderb. I could have seen an argument for him. But wow, Christian Wood is going to win Defensive Player of the Year without being the most improved player even though he's traditionally been a bad defensive player. Shocking the world. No, but listen, I mean, bad to you. These are

subjective opinions. That's just like your opinion, man. Sports. Let's just like your opinion, man. Sports. Let's see. What are the other categories we got here? Six-man. You said rookie of the year? Rookie of the year?

Rookie of the year. You know, Chad Holmgren, because he's a guy I know now. Check him out. You're going to love his stuff. Let's see who else is uh is devin george still in the league yep yep yep devin george you could have picked sean elliott too who's on the spurs yeah okay yeah yeah yeah yeah those are all on the table and then who who will not make the playoffs or just my prediction yeah okay go the Okay, go. The Suns won't.

The Suns won't make the playoffs. The Thunder won't. The Celtics won't. The Heat won't. Wow. The Nets won't. Basically, they're all just going to give up because AD's Lakers are so dominant.

No, that's right. Yeah. Well, you know, the Spurs will move to the Eastern Conference so that the finals will be Lakers versus Spurs. I could see it all. That's bold. I like this. I don't think we can out-bold that.

See, originally I thought it was supposed to just be everything bold, so I went everything bold. I love that. Amazing. What about you that. See, originally I thought it was supposed to just be everything bold, so I went everything bold. I love that. Amazing. What about you, Jack? I mean, how am I going to... What do you do after that? How am I going to go after he just gave all of my picks?

Yeah. I'm picking Rui for everything, including Rookie of the Year. All right. Wow. Arpoi, Rookie Player of the Year? Yeah. I think my bold prediction is Wemby, Defensive player of the year. Yeah. I think my bold prediction is Wemby, defensive player of the year.

I still feel good about that. The prize team being the Oklahoma City Thunder. Okay. These are all aligned with his bets. Those are the only ones I've made up my mind about. Those are the only ones I've made bets on. Actually, you didn't pick Wemby.

You thought Wemby, right? I thought Wemby, and that's how I know that's the one that I've made bets on. So you didn't actually, you didn't pick Wemby. You, you, you thought Wemby, right? I thought Wemby. And that's how I know that's the one that's actually going to happen is I thought and tried. I literally went on the apps to try and make, make that a reality and couldn't figure out how to do it. And then I fell asleep.

Um, so. Yeah, I honestly, I, I think the boldest prediction i think on it i don't i don't know why but there's something about damian lillard playing on the celtics i would do my head in yeah and i think i want to do my head in with you absolute aren't you a fan i thought that i want that i just you know how sometimes when you're just so cynical you're like of course it's gonna happen yeah i gotta it's like it's

simmering under the surface uh but that would be wild and i would just start throwing my arms like i know because god hates me they always they always get the they always get those players We never We never get anything in LA Like the name Portland he will be traded between New England and Oregon Ah wow A little historical fact for people Aha

This isn't just a show full of bold jokes Most annoying person at the sports bar One more prediction The Seattle Supersonics Will come back Just a show full of bold jokes. Most annoying person at the sports bar. One more prediction. The Seattle Supersonics will come back. Yes. We need that. Yeah.

Is it possible? Probably. By the end of this season. Yeah. By the end of the season. By the end of the season. You should actually say the Spurs will become the Sonics. Yeah, the Spurs are going to move to Seattle and become the Seattle Spurs of Sonics.

Love that. Love that. And to make room for them, they will switch to the Eastern Conference for some reason. Exactly. Well, they're so far west, they might as well be east. There it is. All right. Well, you heard it here first.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Matt Lieb, you have entered the fourth quarter of the show enter the rapid fire round of questioning and one matt will leave exactly you knew you knew i'm ready that's very exciting for me that was a sick bob jack now first question i have before you ask the questions are these going to be about the nba circa 2002 don't worry about it don't worry about it all right you're just going to react because that's the whole point of this this is the fastest question and answer segment in podcasting history we're going to ask you a question just give your answer don't think

about it don't ruminate just chest pass it right back and we're going to keep it moving if you start lagging and drawing out the answers we're going to to get upset. I don't want to get you mad. So it's actually on you to keep these answers short. Okay? Okay. All right. You ready? Miles gets really mad around us.

I get angry. Yeah, you should be. It's a little scary. You should be. I've been through five computer monitors this summer. Mostly because I spit all over them. And they short out. But anyway, that's neither here nor there.

We're asking you the questions. Jack, you ready? You want to go? Let's just get this thing going. Brian, start the clock. Oh, no. Brian keeps telling me it makes him so sad. Here we go.

Who's going first? You going first? I'll go first. All right, go. Matt. Matt. What's up? If you could have any player's skill set for a day,

what player are you taking? What skill set is it that you take from them? Mark Madsen, free throws. Great answer. The Mad Dog. Man, I didn't think there was a perfect answer, but there it was. Okay, okay.

Well, I mean, I saw him airball two in a row one time and i was like i want to have the confidence of this guy yep you got to go to stanford you got to go to stanford for that kind of confidence uh okay how about this one you can take three former players and put them on rosters for next season. So let's say you could take three former Laker players. Okay. Who are you? Like from yesteryear. Who are you choosing to put on this team this year? Eldon Campbell.

Nick Van Axel. And Eldon Campbell's brother, who was my middle school, summer school teacher. Wow. Are you for real? Yeah. Yeah yeah he was a weirdo man my brother was in the nba he talked exactly like that it was very strange like he was like like gray gardens like like he was like he was doing morgan freeman in shawshank redemption yeah yeah yeah like weirder like. People would clown on him all the time

and he would go, teacher, abuse. Teacher, abuse. I kind of love this guy. It was wild. I didn't know why he talked like that. But I thought this guy, he was like 6'8".

This guy's probably really good at basketball too. Yeah. So those are the three. Shout out to him. Shout out to all substitute teachers. Yeah, absolutely. Alright. Jalen Rose's hair. Too good to be true?

Anti. Anti. Take it. Take it off. Don't need it how about this if you had to give a letter grade that would represent your excitement for the upcoming season of nba basketball be honest now what would you give it solid b plus okay you know i like i am i'm very excited to see who is playing basketball these days. Oh, you're going to love it.

Like I've heard a lot of great things, uh, about this, uh, this Chet Holmgren fella. Oh yeah. I heard there's a new guy named scoot out there. Oh yeah.

Um, yeah. I'm, I'm hearing that, uh, uh, JaVale McGee is still in the league. Yeah.

I mean, I can neither confirm nor deny that. Okay. I'm very excited, but not so excited that it's a big A. It's a B+. I'm excited enough to watch it at some point after the All-Star break. Okay. Yes, the stakes get higher.

And finally, the stakes get higher. And finally, the most important question, Matt Lieb, Jack or Miles? Oh, Mac. Giles. That's if you guys got stuck in a sort of a Rat King situation where your tails got knotted together and you were stuck together forever.

Mac Giles does kind of seem like a pretty interesting basketball player. Yeah, right? Which one? Matt Giles, if there was someone called Matt Giles. Matt Giles. Sorry. But,

yeah, you know, that's... You're not going to really pick, Ben? It's a coward's answer, but I'm going to have to go with producer Jabari Davis. Ah! Because, you know, he's a good dude, and honestly, I think he's one of the better producers out there. Wow. I'll tell you a couple things about him after the show, but all right.

Cool. Some stuff's about to come you have survived the rapid fire round of questioning on miles of jack up I hope Mr. Campbell wasn't listening he was writing teacher abuse

in the red where can people find you follow you all that good stuff I do a basketball podcast about the Lakers circa 2001. No, I'm just kidding. I do a The Wire rewatch podcast called Pod Yourself The Wire. Well, it's called Pod Yourself A Gun. It is both a Sopranos rewatch podcast and a The Wire rewatch podcast.

And we've had both Jack and Miles on. It's a lot of fun. So check that out. A true blast. A true joy. Yeah. And you know what? I make this promise to you guys.

Because I used to... Listen, I was a league pass guy. I would watch every Laker game. I had humble brag. Humble brag. I don't want to brag, but I had that league pass. Yeah, that's the truth.

I will watch 82 games this season. Wow. Okay. It probably won't all be from the same team. Because at some point I'm going to want to watch a different thing. Not watch the Lakers.

And once I have watched all 82 games, then you guys have me back. I think we're going to, I think what we're going to do is we're going to do like a midterm exam. Oh, do that. Catch you in, catch you around December.

We'll just show up at your house. Just show up at my house and just start hot with me. Hot shot. Yeah. You in there? Time for the midterm. no no no i have to watch 82 games real fast give me like give me 82 games i'll be there in a second i'm in the bathroom just trying to watch it on 3x speed

uh well anyway make sure you follow us on twitter i'm'm at Miles of Gray. I'm at Jack underscore O'Brien. Yeah, and follow hashtag Mad Boosties for show links and updates. That is going to do it for us this week. We'll be back next week as we inch closer to the start of the season. And we can't wait to see you then. Okay, take care. Bye-bye. Bye. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports.

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