The Daily Zeitgeist - More Dark Brandon, New Black Mirror 04.28.23

Episode Date: April 28, 2023

In episode 1473, Jack and guest co-host super producer Justin Connor are joined by comedian and co-host of Pod Damn America, Jake Flores, to discuss... Now Biden Is Selling “Dark Brandon” T-Shirts, Trump Rape Trial Began This Week, Reminder: The Ten Commandments Are Trash, Black Mirror Is Coming Back... Despite The Fact That We’re Living In It and more! Now Biden Is Selling “Dark Brandon” T-Shirts Dark Brandon’ Rises, and Buoys Biden’s Beleaguered Faithful Know Your Meme: Dark Brandon Chinese propaganda or Nazi imagery? Dark Brandon memes face disputed origins Trump Rape Trial Began This Week 'Donald Trump raped me,' writer E. Jean Carroll testifies at civil trial How Many Presidents Have Been Accused of Sexual Misconduct? George H.W. Bush Is the Latest Reminder: The Ten Commandments Are Trash Texas Senate passes bill requiring public school classrooms to display Ten Commandments High school football coach who lost job for praying on field after games to be reinstated In the case of the praying football coach, both sides invoke religious freedom Law on Ten Commandments Rejected 8 times that a 10 Commandments monument had its day in court Why Christians get the 10 commandments wrong Are the Ten Commandments really the basis for our laws? Black Mirror Is Coming Back... Despite The Fact That We’re Living In It New York police are bringing back controversial ‘Black Mirror’ robot dogs The Black Mirror-esque AI service lets you speak to the deceased loved ones Black Mirror: The Unexpected Foresight of The Waldo Moment 'Black Mirror' impossibly predicted David Cameron's #PigGate scandal Charlie Brooker on Cameron and #piggate: ‘I’d have been screaming it into traffic if I’d known’ LISTEN: CECE (feat. nobigdyl. & Jon Keith) by indie tribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 284, episode 5 of Der Daily Zeitgeist. It's the big finale. This is still a production of iHeartRadio. It's a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Friday, April 28th, 2023. My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. It looks crappy.

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Sneakers and tattoos and my puppy lions. Consuming good art at some fancy museums. Travel TV while I cook all the things. This a.k.a. wasn't written by Bing. Okay. In fact, it was written by La Caroni on the disc. I feel like maybe I should stress that I'm a more confident rapper than singer. I don't know.

That was pretty good. I went for the loaf hanging fruit and did my favorite things, a.k.a. I know it's been done a lot. It's hack. It's a mold that we all pour ourselves into at various times. Yeah. I appreciate your bravery, sir. Thank you.

And I was transported to wherever the fuck the sound of music takes place. Justin, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very funny stand-up comedian, host of the Patreon show, Pot Damn America. I'm assuming it's pronounced like, Pot Damn America. Like, wow, you look great. Austin Texonian, Texans, Texonians, can catch him at the Velveeta Room, May 26th and 27th. It's the brilliant, the talented, Jake Flores!

Hello, Daily Z. It's good to be here. I didn't bring a song. I didn't know we were doing that at the time. You brought yourself. You brought your voice. I brought myself. Yeah. God damn, what a voice. Those golden pipes are good enough. Yeah, your voice is a melody. Yeah. Sonorous, crisp, resonant. That's great to have you, Jake.

How are you doing? How have you been? I'm feeling pretty good. I am a terrible singer. I did karaoke the other night, and I think I might be tone deaf. Like, I literally have to go to a doctor. Your voice sounds great. It seems like you should be a great karaoke singer of, like, a Johnny Cash or you know something like that but yeah only songs that

are down here i think i can really live in you ever do boys demand but just do the deep voice guy that's an idea for you i'm just spitballing here just ideas for you but next time you do karaoke i think you're supposed to be bad at karaoke you you can't go up there and blow everyone away maybe performance wise energy wise charisma wise but if your voice is too good it's kind of it's like cheating you know people say that and then like like i'm like no you have to hear it and then they hear me and they're like you're right there is like you're right we should never do this again there's like a level below hell like a sub-discipline type thing where it's like actually not enjoyable it's just fucking messed up i don't know i'll be honest i've never been to a karaoke anything like i've never not even a little like a boombox like set up at like a house party or anything so i don't know how i'm

how i'm gonna react to it when i do it because i plan to at some point but yeah yeah i don't i don't imagine it's going to be very good either. But I think the point is to have fun. So, you know, get out there. The point is to have fun and I will make it not fun. And I also won't have fun, which is weird. I get nervous doing it.

And I'm a stand-up comic. I talk to them. Talking, no problem. As soon as I switch to singing, I get it's like the first time on stage again. It really freaks me out. I think peer pressure works on me.

When I have to perform, like I just turn it on. I just, if I have to be there, I kind of, I reach for something deep in my soul, but it's not, I don't know if it's enjoyable because I kind of black out.

So I hope from just drinking copious amounts of vodka, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the, you know, I got to get that.

I just kind of black out. I have this weird thing where I get on stage and black out after drinking a handle of vodka. All right. Well, Jake, we're thrilled to have you here. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a few of the things we're talking about today. Biden's campaign has kicked off. It's all anyone's talking about. We're all excited. His website is embracing the dark Brandon meme. So we're going to talk about the dark MAGA, the dark Brandon, why both sides are embracing those as like good things for their respective sides. of Donald Trump, a civil suit brought by E. Jean Carroll, started, didn't get that much attention from the New York Times or anyone. So we'll just talk about that. Black Mirror's coming back. We'll talk about why that's kind of a bummer because they just keep telling us what's about to happen in our society.

We might even talk about the Ten Commandments and why they stink. All of that. Plenty more. But first, Jake. I know. like what's about to happen in our society we might even talk about the ten commandments and why they stink uh all of that plenty more but first jake i know fucking harsh take the ten commandments stink that's right we said it jake before we get to any of that bullshit though we we do like to ask our guest what is something from your search history oh what an invasive question yes you know this yeah that made me nervous when i that or we'll like take some passwords whatever you want to get let's just you know mother's maiden name of course um so i looked at this and i i don't really have anything that damning i think

in here but i did i did google recently Chewy promo code because I use this website Chewy to buy like cat litter and stuff for my cat and I was I had a bunch of like cat food and stuff queued up the other day and I think what I happened is I went on

like a coupon website and I was trying to find I was trying to steal cat food i guess it's something yeah i feel like says something about me because i love my cat but i'm still like a criminal about it you know he's very large so he needs a lot and it's really it's breaking the bank over here but yeah no i tried to use one of those coupon websites like that i feel like used to work like 20 years ago or something, you know,

just generate coupons and it didn't work. So motherfucker, that's sad, but I just paid for the food anyway. Yeah, that's, that's where I'm at. I have a,

a lovely pit bull mix and she, she eats a lot as well. And I've also gone through the same thing. These coupons are some bullshit. And also, like, I don't know. I don't know about you, but I think, like, this dog is my first dog. And I really had ideas about what I was going to do with her in terms of, like, oh, yeah, I'm going to start cooking her food. And I'm going to make sure it's all nutritious and good.

And then life kind of, you know, makes things spin out of control. And I really just went for a mix of like dry food and vegetable food. But this shit is so expensive. And if anyone out there in the Zyte gang has like a plug for cheap, but very like healthy, good for your pets, animal food, please hook it up. Let me know because I'm searching out here and I can't find anything oh my god you know what i think we just invented dog food not bombs there you go oh yeah let's do it yeah i feel like the as with everything on the internet the coupon codes like just got fucked up like it went it went from being a cool thing to immediately be like asking you invasive questions and asking you for information and like feeling

like you were you know crippling your hard drive you know like you have to like sign up for a mailing list or some shit to to get the coupon and i know that wasn't all of them but it just felt like increasingly it felt like you were clicking on a pop-up ad whenever you would sign up for one of these coupon codes not to jump like too far ahead to black mirror and all that stuff but like uh you know with like the ai thing it's i think like it's i feel like it now you can feel it now anything you do on the internet you're just like, I'm giving these people so much of my data. And they're staring at me through my webcam and making another me over there and stuff. It feels weird.

Yeah. I'm definitely worried about the amount of my voice that I've put on the internet. I truly think they could recreate me at will like that i i could be a recreate this could be just an ai generated version of me that you're listening to right now i mean i've been thinking about that recently and it's i mean it might not even be you know your choice like at some point maybe one of your like younger relatives will be like hey you know what i'm gonna recreate jack with because there's so many hours of voice out there i can just give it to some ai specialist i saw some woman who did that the other day that comedian uh from

vacancy was like a magic comedian it was like dave something what was his name oh uh the amazing jonathan yeah amazing jonathan yeah uh yes dave um the amazing john amazing i don't know how i knew we were talking about yeah yeah it was uh i congratulate you for that because it wasn't a great description but he passed i think during the pandemic and i'm not sure if it was pandemic related but his partner pretty much had him recreated voice wise and yeah i i'm not sure necessarily i guess it's up to each person she's using it as like a therapy tool it's it's interesting the technology yeah and all the ways it could go but i wouldn't want a company getting a hold of my shit that's yeah i mean that is straight up a black mirror episode yeah it is i think they made comparisons to it also during the thing a little clip i saw but yeah it's it's fascinating and i don't mean to derail the conversation but to take it back to the coupon thing i feel like i don't know if this is necessarily

connected but i feel like companies that do like the the payment plan thing like that has been pushed more over like coupon stuff now like oh buy now pay later like clarna and like all that kind of stuff i've been seeing way more advertising for that kind of shit lately yeah all you have to do is give us control of your bank account and yeah you can just pay whenever you want right because we will take the money out ourselves. I was just going to say I love subscribing to my refrigerator is the thing about the future that we live in.

Anyway, sorry. Go ahead. What is something you think is overrated? Listen, I want a disclaimer here that I'm a provocative comedian and I like to make people mad on purpose before I say this, but I've been watching The Sopranos for the first time

in my life and it's pretty good. But I think it might be not as good maybe as people say it is. And it's still pretty good and I get why it was a big deal, but I need to vent about this because I'm

personally kind of exhausted with it because it's very long and it's like and it's not the show's fault it's just that like it's from a different era i think and people had more of an attention span it was like the only show like itself there were just less shows like that around so people had a lot of hours to invest in this damn family but also a time to ruminate between episodes like what you had time to marinate on what happened as opposed to just like let's just binge the whole thing and forget that you even watched it yeah and that's like part of how the form plays into this you know and i've just had like so many people be like oh you know when you say you haven't seen something and it hurts people's guts inside.

Yeah. All right. So I feel like I should, I, I really wish miles was here. He's the right person to bring this topic to. Cause I actually, I'm in the same boat as you.

I've seen a few episodes of the Sopranos. I've never sat down and watched the whole thing. And I don't i was just talking about how i need to give this a actual try and watch the whole thing chronologically but uh who has the time now you know anytime saying something is pretty good is like a declaration of can't even talk about television if you haven't re-watched it all chronologically if you haven't watched the cut where they actually start off with the flashbacks and then move forward in time i don't know if that's a thing but it's yeah i remember when i was watching it being exhausted by it like there being episodes where not much really happened i'd imagine upon rewatch like that would those episodes would be better and more enjoyable because you know once you know

what's going to happen like you're not your brain's not like being like oh what's gonna happen next and like eager to like for plot but how much filler would you say there is uh like a percentage wise the filler is pretty good but it is there is a lot of filler i would say it's like italian food like it's a lot of bread you know yeah okay so it's enjoyable but yeah okay yeah if you have like enough time to have a part-time job that is watching the sopranos yeah exactly i have i think i have to watch it because it is one of those things where it's like i think it's up there with the wire too like if you haven't seen it you can't comment on you know it's like mandatory having to have seen it but i just uh yeah i don't have the time anymore. And I do have enough, like enough of these moments pop up now

too. I think because of the version of the internet we have now and the way social media is, you don't have to necessarily even watch stuff to know every single cultural touchstone that comes from that piece of media. You get all the references, you get all the jokes through memes or whatever. And I'm not saying that's good or that that's better. It's just weird to me how I can understand many Sopranos like jokes, like in jokes amongst the fan base. And I have not watched maybe even 20 percent of the episodes. Yeah. If you really want to make them mad, just be like, no, I've seen the memes. I get it. That's why I leaned into I don't think it's good.

I didn't want people coming for me, but yeah. What is something, Jake, you think is underrated? Well, somewhat related. I've been eating a lot of Italian food. I think just subliminally it got into my head from watching the show and like watch because it's like a thing that just occurs every now and then is that they're eating like a ricotta or something or like they ate this thing that looks like a crown

made out of bones the other day that I'm very curious about. It was crazy. I posted a picture of it on Twitter. I went, what the hell is this? And all these Twitter, some people were like, you don't know what that is. Like they were all dunking on me and stuff. Apparently it's called a crown roast and it's this thing where they make

they make a like a like a king's crown out of an animal's bones and roasted but apparently it's pretty good so i just have this flavor on the brain and i was shopping this grocery store the other day and i bought a jar of something called olive salad and i would like to inform the world that it's an underrated thing in that i didn't know it existed and that's that's a form of underrated right no one's talking about this it's talking about this olive salad no i in my mind i'm just picturing a bunch of chopped up olives and like with some romaine throwing thrown in there is that kind of what it is okay well it's not there's uh not romaine but it's like other um like olive like things like peppers that you would like

soak in oil like that but it's chopped up and then made into like kind of a thing you can just spread on a freaking sandwich and like it i'm it's changed my life, because, like, you know, you try to buy sandwich stuff when you're grocery shopping, and you think, you're like, well, how hard could it be, and this is a great way to feed yourself cheap. You can never really hit, like, the way something tastes

from a deli. Look at me, I'm doing the damn Sopranos hands. Yeah. It's because you don't know about secret stuff, like olive salad yeah oh man really good it's uh yeah it made me think of a very fancy deli an olive salad like i think it's just technically for like a muffaletta like a po' boy or something like that like a like a cajun thing but it really it hit me because you know a lot of times people make a salad, they put one olive on a,

on a, what do you call it? I said a Q-tip, a toothpick, and then I put it in the sandwich just for like aesthetics, you know, but it's like, well,

you eat a sandwich, you get to eat one olive, like while throughout the entire sandwich, that's very little olive, right? But this, it spreads throughout the entire damn thing. So every bite you get like that salty briny thing.

Oh, man. I fucking love olives so much. And it's totally happened later in life. I hated olives when I was a kid. But now it's probably the food I can't get enough of. I could not imagine eating too many olives. I always feel underserved when it comes to olives. I fucking love them.

They're the best. I know. These Italians, they're on to something with the olives. They're on to something with those olives. Underrated. Not enough people are talking about olives. The most popular food since time, since the fucking Ten fucking 10 commandments i suppose there's a very famous restaurant named after them but it's also a massive like crime organization that's like built

up around fake olive oil i think yeah olive oil what yeah yeah fake olive oil was like a big scam in the 70s i remember there was like i came again i came into into contact with that like researching something else and it was like yeah and then they busted this massive like counterfeit olive oil yeah they got that that off-white supreme olive oil and they got the counterfeit version of it and it was crazy that they were like i mean i think they were making millions it was like one of the biggest money makers for the mafia at one point that's nuts but it sounds racist to say that like it sounds it sounds like you know it's like don't throw me under the bus like that no i yeah i was talking about the same thing but like to speculate that the italian mob is like selling counterfeit

olive oil like it sounds like you're just being like yeah and then they had a big meatball shipment you know briefcase full of meatballs we don't do anti-italian racism here no no no absolutely no no no you know you know that reminds

me of though there's an oddly similar story that I came upon researching for some dumb podcast I was doing about the moonies, the cult from Korea that sort of is like the origin point of like this weird other thing that's happening in the United States with this guy named King Bullethead, who's like the guy's son. And then like the guy killed Shinzo Abe killed him because the Moonies like Shinzo and the Moonies somehow were involved in the thing with his family. Someone died. I don't know. He bankrupted his mom. Yeah.

Moonies. So, interesting, weird thing that came out from, like, U.S. occupation in Korea back in the day. They have, like, a similar thing going on where they're the source of, I guess, all of Western wasabi. And it's also fake. Like, apparently, when you eat wasabi, when you have sushi here, it's horseradish. They dye green.

And, like, you'll probably live your whole life and never actually have wasabi. Wow. I'm not going to be surprised if we Google, like, Canada's, like, counterfeit maple syrup operation. No, that's real. That is real.

Yeah. Because criminals don't do much research they just like google the first thing they're like all right we're italian what do we do what's the most popular condiment and how do we rip it off oh you hit you i know you were like randomly stabbed you hit dead on there's a whole maple syrup thing in Canada. Wow. What's America's counterfeit sauce? It's got to be ketchup, right? Oh, yeah. It's got to be.

We have to have counterfeit ketchup. But you would just become a billionaire, and it would be illegal. True. Because that's what America is just like. Just behind. All right. Find the cheapest way to make something that the piggies will gobble up, and then you become a billionaire billionaire and it

doesn't matter if it's poisoning them because we don't find out until people start dying 30 years later and by that time you're rich enough to like affect legislation so you're not gonna get in any trouble to your point i don't even know if they could export the counterfeit shit like the european like food drug administrators over there would be like, nah, this doesn't pass the smell test for us. You guys got to eat that over there. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

All right. It's actually mostly red paint. It's red number 44, Jack. That's what it is. Full of microplastics. Yeah. Aren't we all? I guess mayonnaise might be the other thing like that we as we talked about

on an episode earlier this week it's always like been very suspicious to me that hellman's like the biggest word on their label is real hellman's real mayonnaise okay stop asking it's like nobody was asking but now now we're very concerned yeah yeah that's my stand-up bit it's like nobody was asking but now now we're very concerned yeah yeah that's my stand-up bit it's my one stand-up joke that i'm i'm workshopping that's fire you should put that in your type thanks man if you read a mayonnaise jar a certain way it says like hell is real that'd be cool yeah that's right hell is real people repent put all those letters in huge letters and then sell it it'll there you go it'll take off hell hearing country yeah hell man would be a dope like superhero of some sort oh yeah oh he's named after the mayonnaise that'd be cool yeah

like it's like hell man and then his whole thing is just mayonnaise. He's got like a horn being like, fucking me. I really, uh... Yeah, cool. Didn't go where I was expecting it. All right, let's take a quick break, and then we'll talk about the ultimate hell man, Dark Brandon. We'll be right back. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.

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And we're back. And Joe Biden's back, baby. He's running for president. The nation is energized. We're fucking pumped to have this guy run for president at the age of, you know, so old. Yeah, at a certain point, it doesn't matter anymore. So he launched his campaign website and users quickly noticed that the site's error 404 message features the dark Brandon meme complete with a laser eyed Biden and the message. Let's get you back on the rails here.

OK, see, i immediately thought of cocaine this man's eyes are bright red and he said let's get you back on the rails yeah all right joe were you just uh blasting rails looking at the biden 2020 yeah that's what i was doing as one a.m every morning is my ritual this This is great. Wow. It kind of reminded me of like, I think this might be on purpose. Well, actually, it's not. You know what it is? He used to be called Amtrak Joe because he took the train.

Yes, that's got to be what it is. Commute or whatever. But he also kind of busted up a railroad strike last year. And I think they're just sort of betting that you won't know that because that immediately just made me remember I am mad at him about

the train strike. Yeah, and also the biggest calamity of his presidency might be a train derailment. Oh, right. That no one's talking about. Not enough people are talking about to the point that he's comfortable being like,'s get this thing back on the rails what that's horrible

oh man that's amazing but they're just having fun with the memes so the dark brandon meme actually began with the dark mega meme which featured a superpowered Donald Trump, which then gave way to the dark Brandon, which it's both the consistency between the two is like portraying Trump or Biden as like Dr. Manhattan style, like laser beam. I having Uber mench basically like authoritarians. That's what it feels like to me it feels like this is the result of having such ineffectual and incapable parties in the united states that

are just like incapable of doing anything that isn't like completely endorsed or asked for by corporations and so people are like fantasizing about their leaders being like authoritarian dr manhattan yeah i mean ubermensch bending people to their will like speaking of authoritarian leaders didn't the president of el salvador he also like tweeted memes of him with like laser eyes for the whole bitcoin thing he was trying to push oh yeah yeah he did i think it's weird that this is a this weird like lane that they keep occupying well it's i think it's they like clearly they stole that from people that are already kind of using it right it's like a real thing and like i i think i might be wrong here but i think that originally that came from like like internet like tanky types were really into the ussr and would do like like the first one i

ever saw was lenin and it would be like if you were arguing with someone and they didn't make a radical left enough point you'd sort of like throw this lenin with laser beam his whole thing in history was that he was within the far left. He was like no, no, no, no. We need to go way more hardcore. And he had laser eyes. And he had laser eyes, right. Which is crazy that we don't talk about

that much. Underrated, right. But that's from an internet niche subculture that I think that they must have focus group this stuff really hard before like just straight up stealing and i say that because like you see a lot of the advertisers and stuff how like yeah this bums me out about the internet a lot stuff will organically occur and it's like fun for us all to play with and then about six months later they've figured

out a way to use it to like sell stuff so like last year there was like this meme he's a 10 but yada yada yada which is yeah i just noticed that like a few months ago i started getting commercials like every time i watch something on like hulu or something that and'll be like, he's a 10, but he doesn't use Rolaids or something. It sucks, but it also it's weird that it's echoing so far after the original thing happened, and I think it's because there

was a process of them really kicking the tires on it and going, are we going to get sued if we do this? And I think it's kind of what's happening here is this thing is is reappearing in something like the biden administration's like uh campaign thing because it's it's from the internet a few years ago at least yeah and they just sort of realized oh we can just do this too and like no one's really gonna get mad at us yeah the internet is just

like a giant writer's room focus group for corporate america that's basically how they view it and they're just like okay well it changed enough from the first one to the seventh one that we can just claim that it's like you know not not any one individual's creation and so we we just yeah just steal ideas just Just steal intellectual property. It sucks if you're especially if you're a comic that's on Twitter all the time because you are just kind of sitting there going like, I'm just giving

I'm just throwing chum into this huge well that they I just mixed metaphors, but they take from... I chum my well. I chum my well. Get that water all nice and intestiny. It's down there. Get that water all nice and intestiny. Yeah.

Yeah. It's really weird. I don't, I'm not sure exactly what the point of it is other than to appeal to someone who's already done making jokes about this thing. And I truly think it kind of, it might not just be like focus groups and whatnot i think sometimes it just comes up organically where someone's nepo baby is walking around on their phone and then the person who who birthed them is like oh shit i'm gonna take that to a board meeting tomorrow and then they just kind of kick the idea around take forever to develop the

idea and by the time the commercial comes out it's too irrelevant for anyone to care about so it's also one of those things where like like slang is like the point of it is for young people to speak kind of in code and like make fun of older people and like you know a word is dead when you hear your parent say it like it has a way of migrating through society up to the people that are in charge of everything and then like your teacher is like uh you know uh it's it's busing and you're like ah it's over oh man yeah and it is frustrating that like all authorship has been taken out of the the internet the internet it's just like yeah but you said it on the internet so now it's now it's totally cool for the frito-lay corporation to use your brilliant joke that's that's the worst part is i mean stuff i said when i was in middle school is

now just bubbled up to like you know my 67 year old neighbor and they like mention it as i'm walking past and it kind of you're just like you know i i understand like trying to relate to people but there's a certain point where like you're kind of demeaning them i think if you're just like well this is the this is how you people talk right and it's like i don't know man just just drop it uh just just be you that's that's the main lesson just that's how we spoke like 20 years ago and now that you just said that i have to go back to bed yeah like that's how deflating it is for me to hear you say that so it's like the white house actually started using this meme last summer tweeting dark brandon memes along with good news for Biden.

They're just like, yep, got it. Apparently Biden himself reportedly found it funny, but I just want to read the Biden's 2020 campaign manager's explanation of the meme. The memes are a light take, quote, a light take on the fact that Biden actually has abilities and power that most elected officials don't and he wields it in his own way I don't I don't think that's oh boy that's what the memes are man yeah I gotta tell you I don't think you got that right unfortunately wait since when does this man have superpowers for anyone what are you what are you talking about yeah okay he has like dementia right yeah he has dementia the same thing i guess on a level it's i it does seem like the joke works at a level of

like this is so far from what is actually true about him and like they they have taken it to be like there's actually a kernel of truth in there and biden is actually a super intense cool person who i think kids would want to play with an action figure of if we made them so just throwing that out there and then on the other side of the 2024 presidential race presumably assuming you know he's not i don't know it's gonna be trump right we can all agree it's gonna be trump there's just nobody else. I think so, yeah. So E. Jean Carroll's civil case against Trump for allegedly raping her in 1996 and then denying it went to trial this week. She unequivocally stated under oath, I'm here because Donald Trump raped me. And when I wrote about it, he said it didn't happen.

So very straightforward. The New York Times gave it like like a little little tiny blurb on the front page and i don't know it's like i we i think they've known that this story happened for for a long time and maybe like part of them is just responding to the fact that trump like we we knew this stuff stuff about him before he was elected president in 2016 but it still feels weird that it's not a a bigger story but the the mainstream media has been carrying water for rapist presidents for i don't know goes back to like thomas jefferson the grover cleveland one so like there there's this newsweek article that's like other presidents I don't know. It goes back to, like, Thomas Jefferson. The Grover Cleveland one. So, like, there's this Newsweek article that's, like, other presidents who have been accused of sexual assault. And they talk about... That's weird that they did that.

Yeah. I mean, it's true, but it's just, like, what are they trying to say? Like, it's not a big deal? Because, ugh. Yeah. But they talk about Grover Cleveland, which I didn't even... I knew that there was... Grover Cleveland had Cleveland had this like illegitimate child scandal. But the details are like he committed rape and like told the woman in question he would do everything in his power to destroy her if she told anyone like then and there after the assault. one like then and there after the assault and then the media was just like he's got an illegitimate child they just like just kept it moving and like that that's how it like came down in history was

just like this guy really likes the ladies or some shit what's the scandal during his presidency or his campaign yeah it was during his campaign like yeah and it was doing the lindy hop to this lindy hop into this piece of information i i learned about it as being like a story about like mudslinging during presidential elections wow yeah the spin that history class puts on shit like this is is wild yeah it seems like if society was going to give anyone a pass, it's going to be a former president. Like, we keep seeing stuff like this happen. And, like, the message is always the same. And the punishments are always, like, unequal or they don't happen for a certain group of people.

Like, it's wild like jonathan major's uh you know alleged horrible assault of a woman should have faced all the consequences he's facing and that but it was so quick and immediate and then you have ezra miller like they're literally kidnapping people and you know menacing a 12 year old and the marketing just goes like it, like nothing happens. If, if you, I just, yeah, I think if you look at all of these things, there's, there's a clear message. I mean, I was just reading something today about Jonathan Mulaney having his special out. And I want to preface this by saying that I'm not comparing Jonathan Mulaney's substance abuse issues with the violent crime that Donald Trump or Jonathan Majors has been accused of. It's just that the messages seem to be reserved for a

particular group. And so they were talking about, you know, him having his problems with substance abuse and whatnot. And then comparing that to like Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears and Amanda Bynes. And like, there's no pictures of him. Again, not saying he should be publicly shamed or whatever. It's just that when someone like, again, Robert Downey Jr. has his problem with struggles or whatever, in the media, there's a focus on this is a historical fact and not who the person is. And then when it's a person of color or a woman,

it's like, this is who they are and we should label them as such forever and it's it's frustrating that it's not it's not equal when someone when someone hurts someone or whatever the like i think we should all feel good when that person gets punished as they should i i don't understand why it's like well hey look at how many powerful men have been accused this is this is a little historical factoid as opposed to like going even an inch further and questioning why this keeps happening it's god that's maddening yeah i just watched that millennium special like right before we started recording and it's pretty good and i thought it's good he's i thought it was good because it was honest and,

you know, it was kind of humanizing. And I think like, I kind of, I kind of disagree with all you just said, which is like, you said we should sort of all, you know,

take part in punishing all these people. I kind of think we should all give the, the, uh, uh, compassion that we structurally unfairly only give to these white guys like that should everyone get treated like i'm a lady no no i no i i didn't mean we all should take part in punishing someone what i meant was that we should all not even all take part in and

punishing anyone like hey now we're going to shame you or anything like that. I mean that, and I specified if you hurt someone, I'm talking about, you know, especially when it comes to like assault and like being accused of like violence and stuff like that. John Mulaney, I don't believe has been accused of anything violent. So I wasn't really equating those two scenarios. I just mean that like as a whole, the message has been that if you're a woman or a person of color, it doesn't matter whether you had a mental health crisis or committed a violent crime, which are very, very different things. They're both weighed equally and will likely

end your career swiftly. And you probably won't get a second chance with few exceptions but if you're a successful white man you might not have to face any consequences for anything you do and even if you do people will be willing to let you come back yeah without piling on yeah it's inconsistent for sure yeah yeah but anyway it's millennia special decent i haven't watched it so yeah no it's good i'm not again this isn't this isn't an indictment of john millennia or anything i'm this is an indictment of like the media and again when you when you have someone again like someone who dealt with substance abuse issues and mental health issues in public like britney spears and then everything that even to this day if she posts a picture of herself dancing people question her

mental health yeah it's inconsistent that they get zero and everyone else gets a negative number or whatever they get kind of a neutral response they're kind of treated like as if it's it's made as easy as possible for them to like get past whatever. And I think you're probably right that this is at the very least, the media is a mechanism by which this happens. But it's probably just deep into huge ideological structural stuff in the way that everyone is thinking right now, too. Because, I don't know, I'm on the internet all the time you know it's a fucking cesspool and you read people's takes on this sort of stuff and it's frustrating because you see it coming straight

from people where they don't even realize that they have this wild inconsistency you're talking about if they happen to be somebody who is like okay let's bring this back to this trump thing right people that like him they're gonna give this a pass and they're gonna focus on the similar thing that the other guy has been accused of at kind of inconsistency or whatever and uh i don't know i mean and i feel like the new york times has taken that into the equation and is like downplaying or like not publicizing the story as much because they're like well his followers aren't gonna give a a shit. Yeah, it's sad. This is all just a litmus test.

You take a dipstick and you stick it into the internet and you pull it out and you're like, things are bad. What is that? I mean, just to the Mulaney question, it'll be interesting to see how much

this defines his legacy but i just remember growing up the first thing i learned about richard prior was like that he set himself on fire while smoking cocaine you know like that and i think that's the like it's subtle things like that where it's like, OK, just your point that like one group, it becomes the defining thing about them as opposed to true for sure. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back and talk about the Ten Commandments and Black Mirror. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts.

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usually when I see this shit. but the Texas Senate just passed a bill requiring each public school classroom to display a copy of the Ten Commandments. They'll be on display at my shows at the Velveeta Revival. Good, good. I put them behind me every time I perform, but they'll be especially large in Austin, Texas.

So which ones do you put? Because there are actually two Ten Commandments in the Bible. And the second one, like the revised edition, because I guess I remember the part where Moses, I guess, like breaks them, like has them on tablet and then breaks them. And then like, I guess there's like a Weekend at Bernie's 2 where he has to like go back up and like do it again. But like this time, the commandments have things like this.

This is one of the 10 commandments in the, in the Bible. All that openeth the matrix is mine. First of all, that's trippy as fuck. And every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.

Very specific. Also thou shalt not see a kid in his mother's milk so it's like very farming farming related just instructions on how to rear your cattle is the ten commandments i think they if they were willing to make that the ten commandments that they put in courtrooms i think that would be at least funny. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have a problem with that. I think I'd be shocked to learn how many things in our society are based around just farming, just old world agricultural tent poles that we just kept going and didn't question. Wow. That's fascinating.

just kept going and didn't question uh wow that's fascinating yeah i mean we you were just talking about how we shouldn't see a kid in his mother's milk yeah like come to find out the origin of that belief within the set 10 commandments 2.0 it's one of my favorite bars uh that i heard in that uh that wu-tang track don't don't put the seed in the... I don't know. That sounds fucking weird. What does it mean to see a child? No idea. Yeah, I mean, it's all kinds of 4chan, I think,

going on in that sentence right there. I don't want to investigate for it. That's a good point. This was their 4chan back in the day because they didn't have the internet. True. This was a post and got weird real quick yeah it's a weird re-edited post yes

oh hold on I didn't mean to type the sentence like that we put it on the break up I didn't mean to start talking about the matrix at the beginning of that one but it seemed to get a reaction so we'll just go with that but this is all a thing because the supreme court announced a vague new history and tradition test to replace the last 50 years of establishment clause law so it's basically around that football

coach who prayed on the field and got fired because they were like people don't want you to do that and he was insisted on doing it and so weirdest thing about hardcore like red state republicans is that they claim to be into like these american ideals one of the biggest ones is separation of church and state like they don't love the founding fathers and they're talking about the tattoos of them and airbrushed on their truck and stuff and one one of their first big things was this. That was like their main, like they were always talking about that shit. Like that was,

yeah, they've just edited that part out. I get the feeling that the, these people are not big on primary document, looking at primary sources and reading, reading unedited, you know, documents of what the founding fathers were worried about.

True. Yeah. But anyways, it's a mess uh also black mirror is coming back in june it just feels weird now like i don't know it seems like the time for black mirror has passed i don't we'll have to see what but what what these are like but it just feels like too many of the things have are already happening from the previous one so maybe they'll have to just like ramp it up but do you think it's possible to get more surreal like it i don't know it's hard for a whole season to to get to be pulled off well when it's when something is as lofty of an idea but i as predicting the near future yeah yeah but i i do think i don't know if that's necessarily i always took it as like this could happen i i think i don't want to put all the pressure of like they're predicting

necessarily but i like the idea the thought experiment of black mirror so i like that it's going as like an art experiment but yeah will it be good i don't know they've had some really shitty episodes so sure we'll see that's what's good about a you know this type of show is you can have a shitty one-off and be like all right i'm gonna skip to the one i love black mirror because they swing for the fences and yeah absolutely sometimes but when they hit it's really good you know exactly it's like Twilight Zone formulaic type thing every time you watch it you're like oh what's the thing gonna be but like

and I think it's an interesting question you ask like can it happen now because like I think the last time they released the show was kind of before the pandemic which is one of the more recent like milestones where we went oh my god we're through the looking glass right but if you remember years ago when they uh the last season of

black mirror they put out if you lived in new york city at least i guess i remember seeing these ads everywhere like on the sides of bus stops and stuff where the ad would be like black mirror and then like the rest of the poster was a mirror and it would i think the bit like i care exactly how they worded it but it was like you're living in it like yeah new season it's already here because everything felt so weird and like right you know i mean i i was just talking to somebody about this yesterday like we kind of there's this feeling in the air right now we're like we're in the upside down land like it we it feels like we are through the looking glass and everything's

weird but it's kind of felt like that for like a long time yeah like every if you've been paying attention yeah yeah i mean like i think me and my friend yesterday were sitting around we're trying to figure out what the what the first one was and like i think like they were like somebody was like oh maybe remember when trump was like running for president that was the first time you were like am i on acid right now like why is reality so weird but then before that like there was you know the the like protests and like the police uh stuff and like ferguson i remember being really ferguson was really crazy Yeah, and then Occupy before that. Yeah, Occupy, yeah.

I think you can keep doing Black Mirror, I guess what I'm saying, because it's going to continue to feel like this forever. Every couple years, something's going to happen where you're just going to go, oh my god, reality's bending apart. Yeah, I guess I don't want to say

I don't think they should it's just like i feel like the public mood is probably like oh fuck because they've gotten so much right it's like do we want to look into our near future at like what like just counting off some of the things that they've gotten like eerily specifically right there's the robot dogs which were immediately unleashed by the nypd the ai that recreates your dead loved ones as we mentioned earlier that's already happening they had an episode about an annoying tv celebrity running for political office and the av club wrote at the time that there's just not enough there to suggest that waldo's moment would last much longer than 15

minutes and then and then trump got elected president and yeah yeah turned out yeah it was so yeah i guess i can say because i watched that episode after the waldo moment after trump had been elected and so i guess i can say like the episode it didn't take anything away from the episode it just made it like there was an absurdist angle to it because people were voting for a cartoon character in that episode in particular and the cartoon character was like blew up so big that the guy playing it became unwound and really like upset that he wasn't getting any credit and so and to that there even in that story there's a little bit of a guy behind the mask having some sort of soul and like you know not liking what's happening to the image of of this

thing he created and in reality donald trump doesn't give a shit yeah it's just a perfect machine of narcissism yeah and that's that's a little more terrifying so watching the the episode actually felt a little bit like of a reprieve from reality if that makes sense yeah that's so true yeah it's like oh man I wish it was this simple black mirror I wish it was as as easy as Black Mirror made it seem. Even like the one where you record everything through your eyes. I think that was season one, right? Where you have little recorders in your eye and then you can play back the memories. The other day I was sitting with my kids while they were playing a game and I was looking at old videos of my kids and like me playing with my kids while i could have been playing with my kids and i was

like oh this is not good this is that black mirror episode yeah yeah you know what i don't like about black mirror what's that what's that they do this thing and it works pretty well, but it's like a little on the nose where at the every episode ends with a musical cue. That is a song that's perfectly like oriented towards whatever they're commenting on socially. Yeah. But like there was an episode I, which I think was a stinker by the way.

I don't, uh, if anyone's listening from Blackbeard, where a shooting happened because a guy couldn't stop looking at Twitter on his phone. And then the ending credits were like, can't take my eyes off of you. It was too on the nose. Yeah.

So I'm less worried about this meta stuff you're talking about, Jack, and I'm more just worried about the writing content of the show because it's crazy. I kind of can't believe how much I like Black Mirror because, like, the guy who made it made some other stuff that I do not enjoy.

What's the other stuff he made? Is it Charlie Booker? Charlie Booker, he made this. I'm sorry, this is a very popular show. I'm sorry if you this charlie brooker i gotta be honest though you know yeah i have to be authentic uh or else i i don't know what will happen but um he made this he makes this thing at the end of the year every year that's like a re uh look back on the year and how horrible it was and it kind of has this thing i'm talking about where we every year we're like that was the worst year of all time it just keeps happening every year it always the logo of it is always a dumpster on fire which is like the oldest internet joke in the book man

yeah hi you know what i'm saying hire me to write for the new black mirror please i got some notes i think that's what we're learning jake needs to write for the new black mirror you you need to not charlie brooker that would truly be a dystopian universe think about that yeah i was writing for your tv show among the guest stars salma hayek zazie beats aaron paul and josh hartnett okay wow all right man anyways i i'll definitely watch the shit i actually i mean that that's may not be true i i really just watched the black mirror episodes that everyone's like oh this is the good one and i skip most of them whereas when the when the first season dropped and like it was only on like only available in the uk and you had to like it and stuff. That was the most anticipated content of

that year. It was like, oh, have you heard about this show, Black Mirror? And now it's all available on Netflix. And I'm like, I'll watch 20% of them. I'll watch the ones that Jake says are good on Twitter. Yeah, and I'm watching the ones that someone else said are good.

So it's a filtering process before we get there yeah well jake truly a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist as always uh where can people find you follow you all that good stuff uh it's been a great time thanks for having me back good to see you guys i am all over the internet my handle on everything is at feral jokes which is an anagram for my name which is jake flores well they're all like an animal jokes like jokes yeah people don't realize it until i say it like that and then they go anagrams whoa yeah it's uh easier to host stuff this way because my name gets stolen and stuff and used for websites yeah so that's that's me all over the internet. I'm on Twitter a lot. I'm on Instagram.

I have a TikTok. I don't really use it, but maybe I'll start. And if you're in Austin, Texas, like I said, I'll be at the Velveeta Room May 26th and 27th. I think I got that right. There's two shows one night, one show the other night. Check it out. VelveetaRoom.com is the website.

And I live in New York, and I do stand-up here and I'm kind of all over the place so just keep uh keep an eyeball on me and i'll probably be where you are soon doing stand up oh and my podcast is called pod damn america it's um a comedy podcast that's uh left leaning politically and kind of has the laser eyeball things we were talking about earlier going on but uh smarter i hope than what uh the internet has to offer yeah that show why are you mad that's it there you go is there a tweet or work of media that you've been enjoying yeah i really i'm glad you asked me this question because uh the tweet i've

been enjoying is a tweet by twitter user at joe rogan yes fired off 6 38 p.m november 16th 2009 it says uh and it's if you didn't catch that this is the joe rogan he tweeted in the year 2009 again comma two guys one horse dot com capital letters is the mr hands video capital letters and sfw a bunch of exclamation points it's one of those things you capital letters have to see to believe i don't know why he tweeted this um and don't look at it by the way especially if you don't know what that is it's a one of the worst things of all time but uh I have been enjoying thinking about the fact that for some reason, Joe Rogan tweeted out that you have to watch a horrible video. Yeah.

Jesus. 2009. Seems on brand. You've changed Rogan or maybe not. Justin. Wonderful having you as well. Uh, where can people find you?

And is there a work in media you've been enjoying? It's been great being here. Thank y'all for having me back uh you can find me at j con the smith on instagram and instagram only that's at j c o n t h e s m i t h and uh i don't i don't have a piece of media or anything. I know I will. However, though, I'm OK here. I'll share this. It'll be on my own account. But I've actually been temporarily taking some time off in the middle of the week. So I haven't been doing the Wednesday episode. So one of these upcoming Tuesdays, I'm actually finally after several several years, getting my tattoo that I've been thinking about for a long time. I'm getting a full sleeve done by an amazing artist. And yeah, I'm going to be posting pictures of that up soon. So yeah, you can just follow me there and check

out the tattoo process. There you go. A couple of tweets of it. Harrison Weinreb tweeted two things within an hour of each other. He tweeted, I hate when the toilet overflows. That's the complete opposite of what I was going for. And then also, I love flushing the toilet. It's like this never happened. I feel like a nice window into what was going on in their life. And also, very true.

Great meditations on toilets. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes on our footnotes, where we link off

to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Justin, what's a song that you think people might enjoy okay i have no idea where i came across this track i don't know much about any of the people featured on here but this song has all the references and millennials such as myself will recognize like bars about phoebe from friends and didi from dexter's laboratory but some of the jokes in here are just straight violations it sounds just like just a bunch of young kids throwing jokes out and it's funny to me but oh man uh for example they end one verse where they're like my crew bald like caillou my crew hot like cayenne we

got tunnel vision rest in peace to princess diane and uh yeah after yesterday's episode i didn't i was going to recommend this song and i was like no not not on not on the the car crash sequence we had at the beginning but um this song is called cc by indie tribe no big deal and john keith and you can find that song in the footnotes the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning. Back this afternoon to tell you

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