The Daily Zeitgeist - More Natural Gas = More Natural Disasters? 06.04.24

Episode Date: June 4, 2024

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please help me understand what they're trying to say here this research indicates that gen z and millennials plan to celebrate celebrate halloween by dressing up and planning for the holiday about 6.8 weeks beforehand well 6.8 weeks from memorial day is the 4th of july so you still have plenty of time to latch on onto a pop culture trend and turn it into a creative costume. Are they saying that we're dressing up? Do you know you're going to be giving the equivalent of congressional testimony about a food and wine magazine by AI, Pumpkin M&M's article? Have any of you heard of a person who dresses up and plans 6.8 weeks beforehand? Well, we do like to dress up in New Orleans.

So people are planning their Mardi Gras costumes for next year for sure. That is so much more like relevant though than like Halloween, I feel like, to the region, you know, which I totally get that. They just had a product launch. They needed a product launch. They came up with this and then backed into the thing. The reasoning. Yeah, with some made-up data. That's what happened.

Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, I'm glad. Sorry. I've almost lost Miles to this press release. He's like not. I don't think he's coming back, you guys. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti.

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And it is Tuesday, June 4th, 2024. Six times four equals 24. Little back of the... Let me just see here. Okay, brilliant mind over here. I didn't know we had a savant on our hands. I didn't even pronounce math correctly. That's what a math savant I am.

What did you call it? I called it back of the envelope map. Oh. You know it's still impressed. Yeah. All right. Well, guess what? June 4th, it's National Hug Your Cat Day.

I will definitely hug both of my cats. It's also National Cheese Day, National Cognac Day, and also National Old Maids Day, which feels, I'm wondering how regressive this is. Oh, it's just about recognize the ladies out there who never marry and remain childless. This is, who puts this on the National Day calendar? That's very regressive. Oh, my God. Holy shit.

Tomorrow's going to be National Gout Day with those two food ones, cheese and cognac. Apparently, in 1948, Marian Richards of Jeffersonville, Pennsylvania, held the first Old Maids Day gathering. Okay. Wow. At least she's celebrating. Yeah. You know, owning it. Like, no, we're amazing.

Yeah. Okay. There it is. Good for her. Well, we got your holidays. Enjoy where appropriate. All right. Well,

my name is Jack O'Brien, AKA lymph nodes. More like lymph. Yes. That is courtesy of Andrew Bob in reference to the fact that I was admiring miles is plumped up. My lymphatic system. Yeah.

Lymphatic system. Fighting an infection. Those things were popping, fighting, fighting a cold. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray hey it's miles gray guess what these lymph nodes are popping aka i have some nasty nodes nasty i have some nasty nose nasty i have some nasty nose nasty shout out. I have some nasty nose. Nasty. Shout out to Nashay. Wow. For that track.

Song of the Summer. Nasty. Shout out. Nashay is the best. Shout out Nesquike on the Discord. Nesquike. Yeah. All right.

Shout out to everybody down there in Oz. For that one, shout out to the Nashay track. They were saying Jack needs to be in the background like whining like in all the meme videos. Have you seen that video? No. Jack, I gotta send it to you. Okay. If I could, if you hit some of these dance moves. Did I blow my assignment? Okay. First, I'll send you the requisite material to study the choreography.

Okay. And then we'll get back and we'll see if we can post something worth it. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hosts of the fascinating podcast sea change which is produced by new orleans and baton rouge public radio please welcome to the show carlisle calhoun and hallie parker welcome welcome thank you happy to be here oh thank you so much for having us yeah of course it's nice to have people

who are doing really good investigative podcasting unlike us who are subjecting you guys to trying to figure out a food and wine article. I was going to say two peers in the world of just doing important podcasting, groundbreaking podcasting.

It's great to be in the same room with some people who I can just let my hair down and be like, I'm with my people. We both get it. We both get it. We both get it and are breaking new ground. Yeah, yeah. While we break space. You know, I'm loving it in the space that you all are providing here.

So thank you. Well, you're too kind. I'm already thoroughly entertained. Oh, thank you. You you. Well, you're too kind. I'm already thoroughly entertained. Oh, thank you. You're too kind. You're too kind. I don't know if our names will ever be listed

or mentioned by anything with the word Pulitzer in front of it. Probably not. We can try. We are definitively unassociated with anything to do with the Pulitzers.

They were like, we just want to, they issued a statement just making sure that everybody, for no purpose. Yeah, just to be clear we have nothing to do with that show fyi uh nobody suggested we did but uh we just want to get we'll get ahead of it get ahead of any misunderstandings for sure for sure you guys are both in new or. Yeah, we're both based in New Orleans. How is New Orleans right now, this time of year?

Steamy. So steamy. So hot and steamy. But in a charming way, right? Yeah. Drenched in history. That groan from Hallie kind of said a lot for me. It was like, gah. It's the time of year where it's just air conditioning all day. You get to see the sun outside.

You want to touch it, but you can can't you know you'll get burned it's it's like the inverse of everywhere else like the rest of the year everybody like looks at our zoom backgrounds and they're like where are you god that looks amazing oh new orleans in the summertime it's just us being like everybody else is like yay summer and we're like yeah Just the deafening sound of insects, like drowning in heat. Yeah. Yeah. The muggier the place, I feel like the less enthusiasm from people who have to go through it every year.

They're like, no, it's fine. I mean, I have to bring seven pairs of seven outfits with me just to go outside for 10 minutes. Exactly. Yeah. I know that. I know that plate. Air conditioning, huh?

What an innovation. What an innovation. I need to get the one in my car fixed. It's been a year, guys. Oh, wow. And it's crazy being in New Orleans. Holly, that is not okay. That is not okay.

So are you just like driving 80 down in a 35 just to get the wind up? Air flow. Just to feel a breeze and also to feel some life. Yeah. When you didn't just to feel alive. When I had, I had an all black car that did not have air conditioning in the dry desert heat of Los Angeles.

And when I was in that phase in the summer, I had, I'm no joke. I would have a driving shirt. I would wear because I was like, when I get to my destination, I cannot look respectable stepping out of the vehicle like this, that I had them on deck. But that's actually genius. I mean, ideally, I'll get my act together and just get my AC fix,

but it's not. I can have two shirts. Drive-in outfit. Yeah. Another great innovation. The way my problem solving works is, especially at that time, I'm like, is it going to cost money? And I'm like, well, what's the other thing I can do? You know what costs less money? Yeah understand shirts yeah exactly oh man the stains that would have grown out of that thing if i ever there would have been another podcast about

another existential threat to humanity scientifically that's right yeah all right well we're gonna get to know you guys a little bit better and talk about sea change. But first, we do like to get to know our guests a little bit better by asking them, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Hallie, do you want to start us off? Oh, man. I was taking a look at my search history this morning and all it reveals is that I work way too much. I was taking a look at my search history this morning and all it reveals is that I work way too much. So what shows up? What are the terms that give us that? I was looking up.

I don't know if you guys know LSU, right? Yeah. Familiar. So we're actually working on a piece about LSU right now. We're looking into some history, some archivists. So that was what my search history was all about. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So that was what my search history was all about. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Man, Hallie, we're such nerds. I was hoping you would have something fun to share. I am looking at my search history shows. Well, my husband and I are considering buying a house in New Orleans. So I've been looking at flood maps. Oh, yeah.

To show the elevation across the city. And also because I'm working on an insurance episode. So I'm looking at the elevation maps of all of Southern Louisiana, which are not very high. You don't see very big numbers of elevation across Southern Louisiana. So that is what my search is. My search history is just a bunch of flood maps. Right. Is there like a section where the wealthy have identified as their bastion of safety, like how they have in Miami? And they're like, well, look, was it like Liberty City? I feel like in Miami. Yeah, the housing complex from Moonlight is like one of the higher grounds in Miami. And things have changed in terms of who's investing there and how people are treating that property. Yes. I mean, totally. The high ground, like the highest ground is by the levees. So there are like the wealthier neighborhoods are generally like the higher ground. Same thing. Yeah. There

was even like after Hurricane Katrina, there was this program called the Green Dot Program. And it was like areas where there had been really intense flooding. Whoever was making plans for post-Katrina put like a green dot over it. And it was supposed to kind of be like, nobody could rebuild there because it was below sea level. But then, you know, people fought back like, hey, you can't tell me I can't live where I'm from. And so that didn't happen didn't happen, but it's, it is wild how much elevation is now like changing where people are living. Yeah, absolutely. Wow. That's wild. You've already rubbing their mitts for that. That's the wild part too. You know, obviously we're going to be talking about climate and things like that, but people have the like logical, intellectual understanding that it's like, well, where I am is not going to be good.

So therefore, I should go here where I know it will be good. Now, am I willing to divest from this kind of thinking or, you know, investing? No, no. Yeah, no. And also just affordability plays into it because I think that, you know, people are doing their research. And so it's going to be more competitive to be in the places that aren't underground or, you know, right next to like a bunch of Tinder in the case of California. Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah. But are those good places going to get so expensive that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, for sure.

Who can afford to live there. And then just being next to one of the bad places might have you disqualified from being insured as, you know, there's entire zip codes that are basically getting dequeued, which is difficult. So is the LSU story related to climate change? It is. It is. Okay. We won't try and scoop it. I know LSU from Shaq and Joe Burrow, essentially.

And Angel Reese. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yes. The normal things people associate LSU with, we're looking more at the environmental. Oh, we like that. Oh, oil and gas industry. Yeah.

Okay. Yep. Investigations. Stay tuned. Yes. All right. Ah, interesting. See, Jack, we got to do stuff like that.

You've been put on notice, Shaq. See, do you think the Pulitzer Center will help us with a podcast like this? We've got some. You know, I'm just connecting A to Z here a little bit. Look, this food and wine article, I don't know how to comprehend the data and what is being said there. I think, hey, PulitzerCenter.org, holler at us, too. You know what I mean? We're asking tough questions as well.

Y'all are connecting, though. Y'all are connecting. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Connecting the dots up there. Yeah, right. Thank you. Fully, fully.

What is something you guys think is underrated? Well, since Hallie had to go first on the other one, I'll go first. You know, I had like a serious answer and a less serious answer. So I was going to say my serious answer is journalism because we all know people are losing their jobs left and right. And the business that democracy depends on is struggling. But I'll go with the less serious answer and say, you know when you get your hair cut and they give you like the head massage

while they're washing your hair? And it's like, that's really why I'm there. Sure, I need a haircut, but like I'm really there for that head massage. And I want to know beforehand, is the person, is the hairstylist a good head massage? Are they going to like just go too short? Are they going to give me the temple rub in there?

Like I want to know. And I think that should be, I think it's underrated. I think it should be discussed more. I have stayed with hairstylists based on an initial head rub that never came again. Like just based on, I'm like, oh, but you know, they know what they're doing. They're like, I'm like wasting on you. I've got you. You're hooked. I've never heard of journalism, so I don't know what they're doing. They're like, I'm not wasting on you. I've got you. You're hooked.

Yeah. I've never heard of journalism, so I don't know what that one's about. But this one, I fully agree with. Are you in a Floyd's barber shop? They wear a little mechanized glove. I remember back when I had hair to get cut. I remember there was like a massage power glove. Sometimes the hairstylist would wear, but to your point, Jack, there was this Japanese dude named Peter. I would go to

the way he would get my shoulders. Like I had never had, I had never been touched like this with such instant relief in my life that I was like, is, can I just pay for that part? Cause I don't care about the hair at this point. Getting the shoulders in. Oh, that's impressive. And had this like technique where he would have his hands like this like with his fingers separated and then like chopped down

so you get this like clack, clack, clack, clack. It was, yeah, anyway, I'm with that. And hairstylists, y'all should be charging

extra for that because guess what? We'll pay for it. Those of us with hair. Yeah, it's true. They have like an extra, if you could like click the like 10 to 20 minute, like do you want to pay more for like 10 minutes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for it. Those of us with hair. Yeah. It's true. They have like an extra, if you could like click the like 10 to 20 minute, like,

do you want to pay more for like, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like,

let's just skip the haircut. Like, do people ever go, do people indulge themselves and just go get their hair washed and then leave? I mean, I feel like my grandmother did. Yeah.

I think that was kind of a common thing. I think, yeah. And I think we're all like people who run cuddle parties will tell you that we're all like touch stars in our modern world where we like don't really see each other that often in person that like there is a market for just like going and you know making physical contact with another human being. So, and I definitely feel that when I'm getting a haircut. I'm like, God, this is cool.

You're like, I love you. They're like, what? Nothing. Not too short on the sides. Yeah, absolutely. Hallie, how about you? Yeah, I mean, I feel like this is starting to get more respect, but I really feel like more adults without children should have kiddie pools.

Oh, like a little inflatable one? Mm-hmm. A little inflatable one. Yeah. I was thinking about that recently, Hallie. Maybe this is a New Orleans thing, but I saw a photograph somewhere of adults in a kiddie pool. And I was like, speaking of the cheap fix, fix well i can't put a pool in right yeah i can go to walmart yes no i'm about to adopt a little pit bull and i'm so excited to get a kiddie pool and

just swim around in there with her yeah amazing man what kind of like a red nose a blue no what kind of pit mix a mix okay yeah a rescue yeah everything's a pit i feel like is that is that how it is in like louisiana too like so many southern california dogs are just by default pit mixes basically i don't know that's a good question there's definitely a few at arno at the rescue shelter yeah i'm not positive yeah there's a lot of rescue pits. Yeah. Around. Yeah.

Yeah. But I agree. The branding that comes with those pools, like labeling them kiddie pools, like they could just as easily be foot soaking pools, you know? Yeah. A body cooler. We need to change the narrative about this. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that's really important. Inflatable body cooler offer change the narrative about this. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a body cooler. It's a body. Yeah. Body. Maybe the little too serial killer ish to be like, Hey, you guys got body coolers in here.

Okay. Wait, you mean my deep freezer in my garage? No, no. Oh, sorry. I meant like a,

like a corrugated steel, like just forget the thing I said. Yeah. Hopefully that would have comp in the focus groups, you know? Right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My bad. Cowboy tub. Just forget the thing I said. Yeah. Hopefully that would have comped in the focus groups, you know? Right. Yeah, exactly.

As a kid, I always wanted, I wanted an El Camino so bad car because I thought that the back of El Caminos was a pool. That like,

I saw people sitting in the back of them and I'm like, in my kid brain, I'm like, I would put a pool back there. I bet there's pools in the back of El Caminos. Oh, somebody my kid brain, I'm like, I would put a pool back there. I bet there's pools in the back of El Camino. Somebody has to have done that, right?

With a tarp? Oh, yeah. No, people do that. People do that in pickup trucks, too. I've seen that. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I saw that on Shark Tank, maybe, and I was like, see?

Yeah. Now that's an idea. El Camino as a pool. Just rolls in. It rolls in. Sharks. And he's like in a pool in the back of El Camino. This is 73 El Camino as a pool? Just rolls in. It rolls in. Sharks. And he's like in a pool in the back of El Camino. This is 73 El Camino.

And it's also a pool. I'm looking for a $500,000 investment for 10% equity in the company. I'm in. Yeah. And that's why I am not a shark. Yeah. Among many other reasons. What is something, Hallie, that you think is overrated?

You know, weirdly, even though I'm advocating for adult kiddie pools, like we were just talking about, summer's overrated to me right now. Don't need it. Just give us spring in New Orleans all year round. Is that the best time of year? I'd say so. Yeah. What do you think, Carly? Anytime. Is that the best time of year? I'd say so. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think, Carly?

Anytime but summer is the best time. But spring is like festivals. It's fun. Fall's beautiful. Yeah. I was there in the fall. Anytime but summer. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It was really nice. Really nice. And I kind of did that thing where just by chance, like I was walking through like the French Quarter and there was like one of those ghost tours. You know's so many like tours like these are all the ghosts of the french quarter or whatever and like inadvertently we were walking the same path like we're kind of taking the same walk so you know past i didn't want to feel like i was getting free information

but every time i turned around the group was there and i had to be like well hold on what happened here i've always wondered how easy it would be to do that. Yeah. Just to drop on the tours. Tour is good enough. Like that's an occupational hazard. You're going to be pulling people in like mobs to a flame. Yeah. Is that the best tour to take? Because I feel like that is one of the most,

I feel like so many tourists go there and like, you got to see like all the spooky shit, New Orleans. Like that's really what it's about. I'm like, I think there's a lot of other stuff happening too. But yeah, go ahead. It's so spooky. Maybe I was there in the fall too. So it was that 6.8 week thing going on with the Halloween. Halloween coming, start coming back. There is a lot of spooky stuff, but I would, I would say that there's, there is more to New Orleans than, than the spooky ghosts, but it's a good tour yeah exactly especially when you think about where

the spookiness comes from like it's all like tortured slaves and it's like oh yeah but i guess i'm still drink kind of coming back to it i was like oh like so okay you know what i'm gonna go to preservation hall because that's more my vibe right now there all right i'm with you there i'm with you carla what about you What's something you think is overrated? I'm going to make so many enemies here, but I'm going to have to say brunch. Brunch to me is overrated because I'm hungry when I wake up and I'm like, I got to go to brunch. I can't eat now. I won't be hungry for brunch.

Then if I manage to make it till brunch, brunch is great. All good. Then I'm hungry like like, middle afternoon. What am I doing then? It's, like, linner. Like, all of a sudden, my whole day is, like, in between meals. It's like a two-meal day. What's going on?

Yes. And I'm not good with that. I was, like, feel like I was promised three meals, you know. And so, now I'm getting two. And then restaurants charge more because they're like, it's brunch. And I'm like, you're doing the same thing I got yesterday. No. These scrambled eggs are $14. Right. They're like it's brunch and i'm like you're doing it's the same thing i got yesterday no these scrambled eggs are 14 if you want to say like let's go out and like drink while we're eating like i'm down with that just like right you know you want to have a scum yeah let's

do scum bag breakfast at denny's we're gonna drink some soco in the parking lot and then go have a moons over my hammy at denny's and then nah it's still expensive we put an unch in there instead of x-fest so yeah you gotta pay us yeah yeah sorry brunch people no but it is true it is that that it's that psychological it's that transitional space where you wake up you're like i need to eat breakfast and then you're like but i also have to go to an overpriced brunch in like two hours or something so what do you do what am i to do because i'm not gonna yeah yeah well you know what to do yeah i guess i'll just i guess i'll just nibble on one piece of plain toast no butter so i can make it miles just eating my eating the heel of the loaf just yeah all right uh well we're gonna take a quick break and then we're gonna come back

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Well, on sea change, I'm Carlisle, but my friends call me Carly. So please, Carly's great. Are we familiar enough? Oh, we're on Carly terms. All right, Carly. We'll go on. All we familiar is. I like that you broke it into New Orleans terminology. Amazing.

So your show is based out of New Orleans. And I've heard you guys mention that like living on a coast and particularly the coast of Louisiana is kind of the front lines of global heating and so I just wanted to can you guys talk about kind of what you see there that we might not be seeing elsewhere right now but might be a preview of like where we're headed oh it's such a great question i mean when i was thinking about this what really stuck out in my mind i was here 2021 hurricane ida came through and that was a storm that strengthened really fast rapidly intensified as we say and then after it blew through it wasn't really like a rainstorm

it was more of like a windstorm it caused a ton of damage especially closer to the coast people i think were out near out of power near the coast for over three months for some people that were really far down there yeah it was crazy but then not only that we got hit by a hurricane but then immediately after that hurricane goes through we then get hit by a giant heat wave. And so people don't have power. I didn't have power for a week and I couldn't sleep because there was just this extreme heat going on. And so for me, that's like the picture of what climate change means and what we're facing. It's one hazard after the other, you know, having to deal with all of these different problems all at once.

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, that's just to just to keep like the cheerfulness of what's coming for us all going. But the other thing is. They said worst case scenario. We'll go. We'll call it a worst case. We'll call it a worst case.

Yeah. I mean, seas are rising across the south and across the Gulf faster than almost anywhere else in the world. So already, so many people are having to move from where their families are from, where they live in South Louisiana. see that too with like more sunny day flooding and just like the seas are rising and it means houses on the outer banks in North Carolina are falling into the ocean and it means that people have who have lived for generations in southern Louisiana are having to think or already having to move and um and it's pretty intense and that is like that is around the world seas are rising so it is definitely something that's going to change like what our coastlines look like and where people can live. I think pretty like faster than we're planning for,

for sure. Yeah. Right. It's one of those things that is already happening, but we, it feels like the mainstream kind of consciousness, like that's kind of what we chart on our show and it feels like people have a fairly easy time blocking out when it's happening to other people as long as it's

not happening to them or possibly like to their neighbor then they're going to such a shame what's happening there yeah like that's another level of earth and i yeah i mean i'm really i mean i think about just the what the noaa was saying about this season's hurricane season and how they're like this could be one of the worst ones we've seen in a long time in terms of like some like potentially 28 named storm systems in this season and that's a huge uptick and i the other part that was really to your point about these sort of like compounding natural disaster events is like FEMA and other disaster relief agencies can only handle so much that if you have like storm after storm, and then God

forbid another thing over in this part, supply chains get strained. And we truly are looking at a thing where like, there'll be like, there's, there's literally so much going on. We can actually not really do anything right now. We're spread so thin. And I think that's another real dimension of like, sort of like the bureaucratic part of it too, that you, I think people always presume they're like, no, they're, they're, they'll be okay. They'll be ready for this. Where even for the experts who deal with this or saying this, like, we're trying to figure out how we can even like simulate how we wrap our heads around multiple storms hitting multiple places with, you know, the kinds of devastation that require our assistance. And yeah, it is definitely we are going to begin really seeing it in a way that is going to be even harder to deny. I mean, I think people who live in these areas already see it.

harder to deny i mean i think people who live in these areas already see it but yeah we're we're definitely the the messages are there that we need to do something about it which is why liquid natural gas kind of comes into it and the whole impetus for this is to talk about the expansion of liquid natural gas or i guess we shouldn't even that that's like euphemism that's like a euphemistic term i mean it's natural So I feel like we're good here. Yeah. Yeah. Natural. Right?

It's more complicated. That shit worked on me. Like when they first were like, well, guys, we're like moving over to natural gas. And that shit is natural. Sounds nice. Yeah. And we see it on our buses in like Los Angeles. You're like, oh, all like either it's CNG or LNG. And you're like oh all like either it's cng or lng and you're

like don't worry this is this is cleaner now because it's operating on that and you have these like subtle messages around you that reinforce the sort of like non-threatening nature of of this of natural gas but yeah what what is it what should we be first of all what should we be calling it just so we can use the right terminology when we sort of think about when we get all these stories hitting us, like what should we be calling liquid natural gas if we want to honor what it actually is? It's something Hallie and I talked about a lot as we were writing this series because everybody knows it as natural gas.

So like us all of a sudden just using another term, people will be like, what are you talking about? I'm already, first of all, you're already trying to tell me about liquefied natural gas. Now you're, now you're talking about some other term I've never heard about. So, I mean, we did call it natural gas in our, in our series, because that's what we all know it as. But I mean, a lot of experts are saying we should be calling it methane gas or fracked gas because we get it from fracking, which explains like fracking, yeah, fracking juice. But it's mostly methane. Natural gas is mostly made up of methane, which is like in the short term,

way worse for our climate than carbon dioxide. So we've all been like talking about, you know, carbon emissions and this kind of thing, which is like really a serious issue for, we should be concerned about that. methane in the short term it's like i had a scientist described it to me as like carbon dioxide is like wrapping the world in a blanket methane is like wrapping the world in 80 blankets like it's 80 times more potent at heating up our our climate in the near term that's so yeah when at least what i thought you know i thought it was good like 80 like if you had told me guys it's only 80 is bad i would have been like damn like they lied to us but 80 times worse is yeah so wild that's i can't believe it what are sort of

the benefits that have like when you see a municipality be like we're going to change our entire bus fleet to lng or whatever what what for them when they're like it's better what's like the very tenuous data or argument they're holding on to to be able to say that out loud in public and not get laughed at yeah so like very simply methane does burn cleaner than like regular gasoline clean or something like that. But that's only when it's burnt, like when it's actually being burnt by those buses, then it is cleaner. But the whole life cycle, you know, having to get it up out of the ground, all of the extra gas that goes out, transporting it, all of those different pieces. Yeah. You add that all up and it's not, yeah, the leaks.

Right. It's not good. You know, we hear from climate scientists, like there's been a number of reports where they're like, guys, it's going hotter, faster than we expected in some of our worst case projections. But I've not heard it connected to liquid natural gas until your show. Like, that's one of the theories as to how we're getting there, how it's getting so much hotter, so much faster. So that's just, I wanted to make sure that we made that connection, too. Right. And what kind of kicked off the LNG boom? off the LNG boom? Like, was it like a greenwashing thing where the emphasis on oil

created like a lane for like LNG to move in the shadows because everyone's so focused on oil? Or was there like a PR moment where proponents were like, okay, we can claim that this gas is different. Let's do that. What sort of like,

what were the building blocks to kind of get us to this point now? We're like, y'all, we are absolutely destroying our planet. in one of the worst ways possible. And we're barely even talking about that dimension of it. I mean, what really kicked this off was like, do you remember for fracking got so good that all of a sudden these oil and gas companies like out in west texas and new mexico and like the areas where there has been a ton of fracking like they got so good at it that there was a surplus right of all this natural

gas and they're like okay we can only sell so much of it domestically where are we going to sell all this stuff yeah and we went at that time, like there were the first, correct me if I'm wrong on this, Hallie, but I think the first LNG terminal on the Gulf Coast was for bringing it, was for importing LNG. Because at that point, we didn't have that much. And then it goes, you know, in a few years, it went from that import terminal becoming an export terminal. And then all of these plans for all of these, this rollout of like this huge expansion of LNG export terminals because we just have that much natural gas that, you know, the industry is like, well, let's sell it. Let's liquefy it, ship it everywhere else and sell it overseas.

Yeah. And we know that natural gas. Well, I was about to say, we know natural gas is cleaner than coal, but you know, again, that's like a big question mark, not necessarily, but that was at least the argument that was grasped by the PR agencies, by the oil and gas industries that they promoted that gas is cleaner. Gas is the cleanest fossil fuel. And so when you make people think that they're like, oh, aren't we already doing the cleanest that we can do? is happening. Is that correct? I mean, it sounds like locals are not benefiting and the environment is absolutely taking an absolute kick in the teeth because of it.

But I don't know, maybe these people that live in these areas are shareholders because those people seem to be getting value. So maybe a lot of the shareholders for these companies live along in the Gulf Coast or this this is all just PR spent? That's a really good question. I think like they're for sure supporters on the ground in those communities because there are some jobs. The whole like, you know,

how many jobs are construction jobs? So around just during the construction and then how many are permanent and how many jobs are actually in, are the people in the community getting those jobs? Like all of that, it gets a little more nebulous of like how many jobs are really, how many good jobs are really, you know, are these new export terminals providing?

But like on the other side of it, for sure, the impacts to the environment are crazy. I mean, the amount of pollution that these communities are having to live with are pretty extreme. So like, yes, there are some benefits, but do they outweigh the other? And then also these are getting, yeah. And then a lot of these companies are getting massive tax breaks as well. So how much money is coming to these communities? So there are a lot of questions like that. But the shareholders, right? They are winning? The shareholders are winning? Shareholders are doing gangbusters. Okay, great, great, great.

Oh, thank God. Okay, I was worried. I told you, Jack. They seem to stay winning, it turns out. Yeah, shareholders, yeah. Yeah. And yeah, there was a recent, I forget which episode it was,

but just talking about how as long as it remains business as usual, they're going to keep finding ways to do this. Natural gas starts as this buzz term that's like, this is the future of energy and it's cleaner and it's a bridge fuel to a cleaner tomorrow. And then it becomes ensconced. And the second that something is making money it becomes more powerful and it brings me back to this like i remember an article in the wall street journal that was talking about how dei and like environmental justice initiatives like were like they were like you know these once had momentum but now they're a bad word on Wall Street because they've been determined to be less profitable. And it just it feels like the way the system is set up, like you really can't use the logic, the internal mechanisms of like hypercapitalism to fix this. It feels like it has to take into account that they're going to find a way to keep things the way they're going for as long as possible.

Like they're going to go down kicking and screaming, but I don't know what, like, does that, does that seem true to you? Do you like, you guys do a good job of highlighting things that make you hopeful. Are there examples that kind of contradict that of where BP is investing in clean energy in the future or something?

How do you guys think about that? Big question, Jack. I know. think about that big question jack i know like the role yeah just like specifically the ability of like entrenched power to ever be like part of the solution i feel like and carly i'm so curious about what you think here too like you know i don't i'm not sure if you guys are familiar or if your listeners are familiar with the ipCC report, it's a giant international report that's basically a collection of all of the latest and greatest climate science that's summarized by, you know, all the big climate scientists out there working together on it. And when you look

at those projections, they always have this one option that's business as usual. And so that's if like we kept doing the same thing that we're still doing still rule our society the same way that if you look at those projections, obviously, this is audio. So I have to explain my hand gesture here. The graph, the temperature graph just keeps going up. It's just an exponential graph to the top where our planet just kind of burns up. And I think that that says that we should not continue business as usual. We need to find other ways to do our business. Okay, so you're anti-planet burning up. Okay, interesting.

That's your opinion. Carly, counterpoint? Yeah, not going to come in with a counterpoint to that. Okay, all right, fair, fair. But I am going to bring in the hope that I think you were looking for, Jack, which is like, renewables are also doing gangbusters. And like we, the solar installations and wind capacity that we're adding every year is like, we're doing better than

expected. And so like renewables are taking off, they're getting, everybody knows they're also getting cheaper. They're becoming the cheaper option. And so, yes, entrenched power and entrenched industry is really hard to like dislodge from their place of power. Of course, they want to keep doing business as usual. But when the market keeps saying, yeah, but this is so much cheaper and better for the planet, then there's only so long you can fight that. So, I mean, that's really hopeful. It's just how much renewable energy is taking off around the world.

Yeah. Just to bash capitalism a little bit more though. Hopefully we will not have that on this podcast. And then right after that, Carly with a counterpoint. Last year, I was talking to this like retired, long-time environmental lawyer and he i don't know if you guys have heard of the rights of nature movement it's basically this like push by different indigenous groups to be able to steward um these different pieces of nature and give them their own rights almost as a person like a river could be have the same protective rights as a

person and that's actually moving forward in south american countries that's moving forward it's actually been ingrained in a latin american country's uh constitution and it's moving forward in places like europe areas that are more socialist that moves forward and when i was asking him like is there any hope can we get that done here in the u.s he's like i mean we could but capitalism right that was like how many guillotines you got and you're like counterpoint that's ridiculous the only thing that should have the rights of people is corporations corporations capitalism you burnt yeah took the words right out of carly's mouth on that one. Yeah, sorry. I could tell.

Yeah. No, I mean, there was successful legislation in... Where was it? It was in a U.S. state. I want to say Minnesota maybe, but where a group of kids basically in keep... I don't know enough to finish this sentence.

Minnesota Timberwolves or something? I was thinking of the Minnesota Timberwolves who had a good run in the NBA playoffs. I'm sorry. Do you mean the kids' lawsuit? The kids' lawsuit, yes. That's the one I was thinking of. Suing companies for our future.

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the thing that i was talking about and i was so off base i didn't i couldn't even find it yes the rudy gobert trial oh no that's the timberwolves again yikes um i i know that you know you know with an election year there's always like some Montana. Damn it. Sorry. Oh, yeah. That was way. That was a few months ago.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Hey, it was an M name. Sue Montana. Yeah. So Tony Montana. Jack.

Yeah. Because Montana begins in Minnesota. Yeah. Check. Checking. Love it. Yeah. Because I thought you were going with the rights of nature thing because I think in Minnesota

there was a tribe that got the rights to a kind of wild rice so this kind of wild rice has the same rights as the person so that's probably what you were thinking about absolutely not what he was thinking about I think you can whatever the smartest

version in your brain is like that's probably the one. The most nuanced, smart, hipster answer was that. That's what I was thinking. But I was saying, you know, in an election year, there's always, there's all like energy always becomes a focal point. And whether it was like Biden initially being like, are you with fracking? Are you against fracking? And some people being like, we've seen what fracking does to our state. This always ends up being something that has to get

uttered on a debate stage. And I was curious that earlier this year, there was an export ban on LNG. And I've seen a lot of think pieces from financial sector, like Wall Street Journal types and Fox News places were like, this is actually going to be, this is going to doom our economy. But from an environmental standpoint, how do you look at this LNG ban? That's, it's positive. It's, is it, how, how far is it going? Because in like knowing what I know from listening to your show and just how dire the situation is with liquefied natural gas hearing that there is a ban i'm like oh that sounds like progressive but what how is that viewed as how is that viewed from like you know the people that are really in the trenches when it comes to this battle with the

expansion of lng well i'll start so so yeah i'll just start off so like the the biden it's it's really more it's like a pause so we are still exporting the heck out of lng right now like that is going up and up so that we have more export terminals there's still many in the process of being built so it didn't do anything to to what we're exporting now and what we will continue to export as more of these export terminals come online but what this pause did was say, before we give the green light to all these other ones that are waiting in the wings. Over two dozen.

So they're all waiting to get the green light. They're going to say, well, actually, why don't we think about what are the climate implications? And to your point about election year and prices that impact all of us, what does exporting LNG do to America's energy prices? So the pause is just like, we're going to look at all this information and then we'll decide, should we keep expanding LNG? So- Ah, I see. Yeah.

But worded very cleverly to give the feeling that it's like, we've shut the spigots off, folks. Not a drop more, but I get it. Like anything, I mean, so many of the recent decisions have been something of like, and we're going to check in on the state of coal energy in like eight years. Or after the election. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But Hallie, do you want to bring up the whole price? Like what we found out in our reporting with like LNG and how it does affect?

Yeah, yeah, I can talk about that. I was also going to mention with the LNG pause that people on the ground, like environmental justice activists that have been working against these plans for a while are worth. This was like a huge major step. They were about to go like bang down the doors of the Biden administration Department of Energy and like sit down in their building and not leave until they gave them what they wanted so for them this was like a huge step forward okay but also yeah even beyond those activists there's actually a giant group of different i don't know different types of industries ones that you wouldn't even necessarily think would care about lng or be anti-shipping gas everywhere. And that's because the more gas that we ship out, the more pressure it actually puts on our

own economy. And so when you see your natural gas, maybe your heating bills going up, that could be the result of how much gas we're sending out because we're opening ourselves up to this larger market. I don't know if that explanation made sense to you. That makes sense. It's a lot more volatile. It's also supply and demand. We're sending our supply elsewhere. We're not just keeping it all here for us where it's like, oh, we've got this glut. So our prices are going to go down when we're sending it to other countries who will pay a lot more for it, then it's making the price go up. Right. And then because I'm sure the Ukrainian invasion also was a huge help to American natural gas.

I remember that was like a thing that felt like we weren't talking enough about at the time. But I remember like for a second, they're like, Russia could make Europe cold by turning off the gas. And then like you'd see sometimes like america has a lot of lng to help people out over there and you're like oh great now rather than like arms shipments we're like hey man we got this other thing you can buy that's pretty destructive to your house yeah bingo yeah and it's crazy because that's still an argument that the gas industry is making even now, two years later. Wow.

Yeah, they know how to push our buttons or push the New York Times' buttons, I guess. So I do feel like there is things I've heard in the show that just generally like people who go in depth on a problem like this, you guys know all the ways that it's really bad and troubling like there's a whole insurance aspect to this way like people not being able to buy home insurance anymore because of you know just how bleak the outlook is for the climate or the specific locations where they are that is already happening but so you know like the details of how it's bad but i feel like you also get a look at like people coming together to like make changes and like create things that could give us hope and i was just wanting to like spend the last section of the show just talking about what you guys have seen in that respect of people kind of coming together and fighting for each other and the future of the planet.

Yeah, I'll start with just like this episode that Hallie recorded with activists from around the world that was after our LNG series. And she spoke to activists in Japan and Germany and across the Gulf Coast. And it was really inspiring to hear how people are coming together from, you know, other countries and building an alliance of saying like, okay, we're seeing these impacts here too. You're seeing them there. A lot of them have come to the U.S. to see like, because we're ground zero, this is where it's all coming from to kind of draw the connections. And a lot of them, you know, they're finding hope in their work. And they're like, the last thing anybody should do is, you know, we don't have time for any

of us to get too depressed about this and just go like hide in a hole. Like there's work to be done to save our planet. And so they were, you know, forming bonds around that. And like each one of them was finding hope in the fact that like, you find the pockets where things are getting better and renewable energy is taking off. And like, you know, there is this pause on just like willy nilly expanding without thinking about, you know, the ramifications. So like, people are finding the wins where they can. Yeah. And are the question of whether there'll be enough like that, just finding the wins. And then like if we can magnify those, just talk about the wins, then, you know, there can be momentum there.

But it does feel like you need to go kind of small to local reporting to find out that much about what everybody's doing because we're so used to seeing things at such a macro level where it's like yeah this industry is doing this and they're doing great and some people tried to push back and it's not working but then i was listening to that episode with all the the activists on the ground and it was interesting how they all saw how what their respective countries role is in this sort of like mechanism of LNG expansion, where I think Naoki was the name of the Japanese guy, he was saying, you know, obviously, Japan is a huge investor, like the institutional investment comes from Japanese banks. And then the German guys, like we're the biggest consumer of it. And understanding that, like for the Japanese activists, like they're having to put pressure like on the institutional banks to

understand like what exactly is happening and how those roles are different. But because of the coordination, they're feeling like, Oh yeah, we're, we're fine. Like we're seeing what every, how everything works, but it's about that. I mean, it's really solidarity and that that level of commitment and collaboration that gives them the hope. And I think that just seems to be the message across many crises we look at on the earth, whether it's environmental or otherwise, that if we are able to maintain this level of connection

and understand how we support each other through that, it becomes like a much more or less of a Herculean task. Yeah. That was so beautifully put sorry yeah no yeah agreed i was gonna say one of the most emotional moments i would say was when hiroki the japanese activist who was in that episode was visiting louisiana's gulf coast i got to go and like follow him in his visit and seeing these lng plants. He went on the boat of a shrimper named Travis Dardar, who's in our first episode.

And they're having this conversation and I don't know the cabin, but I think that's what it's called on boats. And like immediately Travis is like, so you're here to help us. And he's like, yeah, we're here to fight together. And they just have this moment of talking about how they're going to support

each other on different ends of the country. Yeah. And you do hear that just generally from people who are on the ground for, like in movies, when there's a disaster, when there's a flood, a gang of bank robbers comes in and robs the local bank with,

I'm thinking of a very specific Christian Slater movie from the early 90s, but people generally, when bad happens, it's like every man for himself. This gives us an excuse to just like fuck each other over. And in reality, you see people want to help each other a lot of the time. That's the thing that gets cut out of the accounts of like what happens in a catastrophe. So like just down to that cellular level of like people helping people, it just,

it feels like a way that we kind of warp what's actually going on to make it seem less hopeful at a time when I feel like people do need the hope. Yeah, absolutely. Um, what would you say, what would you give us as listeners, people that are interested in the topic as like homework to better, you know, help in this, you know, because obviously there's so many things that we need to be on top of to know about to inform ourselves of, but what is the best way that, you know, for someone who's listening now and realizing, oh yeah, like, oh, I, I, I definitely heard of liquefied natural gas, but I didn't realize it needs some serious attention. What are those steps? Like, is it just about seeing what kind of bills are propping up, like in your local legislation or local legislature or organizations? What do you feel from doing this kind of work and talking to these people is sort of the way to get more everyday individual citizens to have a level of awareness that feels like we can kind of reach some kind of tipping point.

Well, I'd say number one, support the people who are on the ground and are most affected by this issue. And I can list off some group names. Sure. Yeah. And we'll even put those footnotes. We'll put that in our footnotes. So people can check that out. Linked in the footnotes. So that footnotes. We'll put that in our footnotes so people can check that out. Linked in the footnotes. So that is the Vessel Project. That's based in southwest Louisiana in Lake Charles. Another Lake Charles-based group is For a Better Bayou. And then one based out in Cameron

is called FISH. And it stands for Fisherman... Oh, God. Now I pulled a jack. And that is what that's called. Can we go to a break? Go and do a jack. That is what that's called. Can we go to a break? Yeah. Go and do a break.

I find that it's always good to just cut to a break, spend some time Googling, come back and still not have... But seriously, what was going on? Can I read this thing from Food and Wine magazine? The pre-seasonal launch of the milk chocolate... Okay, fine. Fine. Okay. I found fish.

Fish is fishermen interested in saving our heritage. So those are a couple of groups. And again, going back to that LNG pause too, there are going to be opportunities for the public to comment during that process. So look out for the Department of Energy website. I'm sure everybody's watching that website. No. So maybe we can pass along that link, too.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And I would say, you know, while you're eating brunch or not choosing to eat brunch, talking about this stuff with people, I think talking about anything that you read about that is hopeful and spreading those stories, but also being aware of like, hey, is this greenwashing this thing that uh right that i'm hearing these like slick commercials maybe i should do a little like research on my own and find out so that people aren't just like everything's bad you're just gonna tell me everything's bad what what are the good ones that actually work wind solar those just which are growing which are actually helpful is that would those be the ones that we should suggest people invest time and energy into? Those are the ones that are growing like crazy right now. And then there's a lot of other things on the horizon that I think people are excited about.

But wind and solar are definitely like the two big industries that are doing well for the shareholders and for these countries that are moving really quickly off of fossil fuels. Because at brunch, I generally discuss the shareholder value. That's kind of the main currency that we speak about. Yeah, absolutely. I figured. The only thing that has any value. Just a quick counterpoint, Carly, but what about the utility companies?

If we're just making our own energy, what happens to them? Should we care? Thank you. I'm glad you have the concern for these utilities. Yeah, sorry. Utility companies. I get an email every day from some lobbyists I'm friends with who just ask me to say some of this stuff on the show. I get discounts at Chevron.

But anyway, what were you saying? I get discounts at Chevron. But anyway, what were you saying? Wasn't there a big thing that just happened in California that like community solar, rooftop solar, like a, I don't know. Y'all know that something was just shot down because I think utilities do have so much power that, of course, they don't want, they want to keep making money. So. Yep. Yep.

Yep. Yeah. I mean, they say it's threatening some Joshua. There's all kinds of weird, bizarre stuff about why solar is bad in California. But yes, no. Sorry to the lobbyists again. I tried to get that information into the show. It just didn't work out organically, folks.

We'll try next show. Won't you think about the meter readers, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, thank you guys so much for joining us, Carly, Hallie. Where can people find you guys, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? Well, our podcast is called See Change. That's S-E-A Change. And you can listen to us wherever you get your podcasts.

I was waiting for that. That line, it kind of means something, I guess, but you know, you can listen to us at that place that you do other places. And is there a work of media that you guys have been enjoying? Can I name a movie?

You can name a movie. You can name a tweet. You can do a book. Whatever. Anything. I just saw Challengers. Yes. One of the best movies of my life, I think.

Amazing. That one is such a... I feel like it's kind of got the same feeling of like what Mad Max Fury Road had when it came out. People were like, yeah, I know about it. But everyone's like, no, do you need to go see that?

It's really good. And I'm glad I did. Shout out to Super Producer Anna for putting the pressure on for me to watch it. Well, I just finished this really good book called Charleston Race, Water, and the Coming Storm. And it's by Susan Crawford. And it's super interesting about how Charleston, the development of Charleston and, you know, speaking of like the wealthy living on higher ground and where poor neighborhoods are located in terms of kind of like rising seas but it's a really interesting look at like how the city of charleston is booming right now and and like what's what's happening there with um yeah with a lot of climate climate impacts so i recommend it i'm assuming yeah oh yeah yes it's amazing uh miles where can people find you is there a work of media you've been enjoying

yeah find me twitter instagram at, at Miles of Gray. Pretty much anywhere else they have at symbols. Find Jack and I on the Basketball Podcast. Miles and Jack, I'm at Boosties. You can find me talking about 90 Day Fiance on my other show, 420 Day Fiance. And also, if you like conspiracy theories, check me out on the latest episode of My Mama Told Me with Langston Kerman and David Borey. A work of media I like okay you know what i saw something that it was really funny i used to watch the every version of the office that had come out uk american wow etc yeah and this fan made like edited together just clips of the office to create this like a24-esque psychological thriller where

like dwight is in love with kelly and like ryan becomes the object of his like obsession to try and break them up and he's basically like a murderer it's fantastic like just really someone in the comments on this reddit post said jordan peele famously said like the only difference between comedy and like thrillers is the score. And you play something a little bit more tense, everything can have such a different feel to it. So I will link to this fan-made trailer of this A24-esque The Office thriller because it's pretty amazing. And I mean, Office Watcher or not, just great editing. Amazing. Yeah, it is really worth

a watch. Tweet I've been enjoying at W0A0I0F WAIF with zeros in between all the letters. Tweeted, not my meek ass inheriting the earth. Very good economy of language. can't bring it back around

you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnote we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy miles what's the song okay so and just in keeping with this like a24-esque trailer the person who edited it put in like this really amazing i think it's a hungarian rock band called omega they have a track in there called the translation is i believe pearls in her hair i'm not okay if it was hungarian i believe it's gyeonghwai yulan okay yeah yeah yeah yeah sorry thank you for the first time i ever attempted that but it's g g y o n g y h a j u space l a n y just go

to the footnotes but this is like one of those dope sort of like uh like acid rock songs that like from like eastern europe that just has such like emotion to it and truly brought this trailer to life and i'm sure a lot of people have heard this in other places, but that's the song we're going to go out to, Pearls in Her Hair by Omega. Alright, well we will link off to that in the footnotes. Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio

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