The Daily Zeitgeist - mOrE oN-sCrEeN vIrGiNs, Algorithms Ruining Hip Hop? 10.08.25

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

In episode 1944, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and host of Rebrand, Mort Burke, to discuss… Alpha Hardcore Bad Ass Stephen Miller NOT Bothered, A Christian Counselor’s Conversion Therapy Tantrum Has Made It To The Supreme Court, Algorithms Ruining Hip-Hop? Barri Weiss’s 150 Million Blog Writes Creepy Ass Article About Tilly Norwood and more! Alpha Hardcore Bad Ass Stephen Miller NOT Bothered A Christian Counselor’s Conversion Therapy Tantrum Has Made It To The Supreme Court Christian therapist seeks right to counsel gay teens to change attraction US supreme court appears poised to overturn Colorado ban on ‘conversion therapy’ Alliance Defending Freedom: Staunch Enemy of Equality A Debate Over ‘Conversion Therapy,’ Once Widely Condemned, Is Back Barri Weiss’s 150 Million Blog Writes Creepy Ass Article About Tilly Norwood LISTEN: Together by Ruff SqwadSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

have you been do you play did you play do you play skate more a little bit i was more ashamedly i was more of a tony hawk guy because i know that skate is like the more uh physically accurate version yeah yeah yeah yeah but you need that celebrity appeal but did you see have you seen the the gameplay from skate no is it crazy dude it's like not even like you're just like jumping off like you're dropping in off like skyscrapers and then you could just like fucking body glide through the air deploy a parachute

drop into a rooftop pool transition is for the new one which one's the new one yeah but it's free to play it's just like so crazy really so it's almost starting to get into Tony Hawk territory then because I was thinking about Tony Hawk was just so fucking insane yeah no but this is truly like oh we're flying

we're saying insane and like you're describing this stuff it's you're saying it's bad because that sounds scary to me. It's just more like, here, like, just look at this clip, just like, just you have an idea of like, because it's not really rooted in reality. I mean, neither was Tony Hawk, really, but this is just going like another level. I don't know. Oh, Tony Hawk wasn't rooted in reality for you?

This is unrealistic to you? Miles, you got to see me shred, man. That's very funny. And I also do get faster when I, uh, see. skateboard over arrows my uh i pick up kinetic energy somehow that's just like it's normal for me yeah that's why they put up at all the skate parks but i think it's also interesting that they brought you from like normal earth physics over time to making you fly because that probably feels crazier than just to be like here you can do triple backflips but to start as like a ledge skater and then

to be able to fly off of skyscrapers right because like mad in another like sport video game has gotten more realistic as it's gone, where it's like, now you have to be, like, really coordinated to throw a football, just like in real life. Oh, it's not, and then this is, of the chosen receiver. Like, in 92, when I was

playing Madden. When I run ad, when I was a wee boy, Madden was just like, you just hit the fucking spin button and broke tackles. It always happens. Is this like the same way when like 2Ks changed their like free throw mechanics system? People were like, I can't do this shit

anymore, man. I don't even fucking really be this coordinated. I need a fantasy game. Is there a skating game that is like hyper-realistic where you have to like practice for eight hours a day to just like be able to like do an Ollie? Well, skate was more like that. That was the

original version. And then but there was a game. Oh, you twisted an ankle. Yeah, exactly. Are you old? Yeah. Your dad's distant and weird. Leave the house. You nuttapped yourself. Oh. This is an I-Heart podcast.

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Listen to Model Wars on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 409, episode three of Dare Daily, Zeitgeist. It's a production of iHeartRadio. It's a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness, and it's Wednesday, October 8th, 2025. 10-8, good buddy. Gonna keep doing that every day. I have had past years where every 10-something, I did that.

I think it was great. I think we should keep it alive. Long may that tradition last. In this house, we believe every day in October is a 10-dash-whatever- I'm going to be like 10.30, good buddy. 1031? It's not even Halloween. 1031, good buddy.

I'm just going to keep adding it. We'll be November 1st. Happy 1032 to you, my man. But anyway, it's American Touch Tag Day. That's clearly written from an outside perspective because we just call that shit tag here. Okay. Touch tag. Yeah, not national.

This feels like a New England thing. The fluffer nutter. That wasn't really a West Coast thing. Or at least the thing we had a lot. I think that was pretty common in the Midwest as well. Yeah, East Coast, Midwest. Makes sense. National Broga Day.

It's just a peanut butter sandwich with marshmallow spread. National Hero Day. No, we're not talking about a sandwich. We're talking about people like firefighters, you know, real heroes. National Curves Day. National, take your parents to lunch day. Take your parents to lunch. National, bring your teddy bear to work or school day.

National Stop Bullying Day. National Emergency Nurses Day. Shot everybody in the ER. We need. Curves Day made me, gave me the ick. Who we talking? Who made National Curves Day? And is it the types of guys who do the hourglass figure with their hands?

It's a creative director of some brand. Okay, cool. Yeah, but it's just about being like, hey, man, shut out all the plus-size people out there. Do you keep it sexy? Yeah, yeah. I just like, curves. What did you think it was? No, I don't know.

Just like, people who refer to it as curves. That's a very, I mean, out here, Jack, we call them curves, baby. Okay. Curves, like you. Curves like a cola bottle. You got curves like a mountain road. You know, you got curves like a, like a damn protractor went crazy or a compass, rather. What's the one you put? No, that was a good one.

You use that one a lot? Yeah, yeah. Curves like a dang protractor. What's the one? What's the one that does the circles? Hey, where you go? Where are you going? Where you going?

Man, my name's Jack O'Brien, aka Potatoes O'Brien. I got curves like. a potato, just kind of lumpy and, like, seemingly haphazard. I'm looking and I'm like it. In random directions, you know? With random eyes sprouted from my body. The most haphazardly shaped vegetable. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray.

Oh, yes, Miles Gray. The Shogun with Nogun, the Lord of Lancasholm. Just, again, in the nation's capital, taking it all in. And it's wonderful. The weather's great. I got to say, I wish it was colder at night. Being on the East Coast, my hope was for a little bit of cold, but it's about the same as L.A. weather.

So what are you doing? Oh, for real? Yeah, I've been hearing that from everywhere. It's a warm October. Something about the Earth or something, being fucked or something? I don't know. Yeah. I stop listening right after they say it's warm.

Miles, we're thrilled to be joined by a very funny comedian, actor, writer, improviser, you know, from Mythic Quest and Drunk History. the co-host of the very funny podcast rebrand. His special spiritually filthy is very funny. You ought to go check it out. Oh, yeah. Welcome back to the show, our skateboarding correspondent, Mort Burr! What's up, my dudes?

Good to see you guys. That's up, man. Thanks for having me, bros. Oh, of course, of course. It's good to have you. Good to have you. Shredin some gnar? No, that's not right.

No, I don't think so. Different subculture. No, not that. Never that. Did my best. Yeah, you can tell it wasn't great because it felt weird when you said it. That's how I knew. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I was like swallowing it as it was escaping my mouth. Yeah, you got, yeah. Confidence is key with any skate slang. I don't think I could just pull up to a skate park and say that. And then, like, immediately start running and be accepted as one of them. I'm picturing you doing that in full pads and you fall down pretty quickly. Risk, race, you've got a GoPro chest rig on. Yeah.

Jim teacher bike shorts For some reason Yeah Full Red Bull logo One Z for some reason Yeah yeah yeah exactly Full fully kidded out Have you ever do kids like to skate

Are they on bikes jack? What are they? What kind of mobility are they into? They are my 7 year old is into Skating he does go to the occasional skate park And it's mainly a lessons based activity Because he has a bad dad when it comes to skateboarding, as you might have noticed from my

attempt. Maybe Mort should be his dad. I for sure thought you were to say instructor, not dad. No, we're going to look. Jack identified the problem. So we're going to just, let's nip this thing in the bud. So,

you can be the Russell Wilson to my future. Yeah. Playing catch with my kids. Mm-hmm. While I text, I text fuck boy shit to my ex. Yeah, yeah. We're thrilled to have you here.

We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things that we're talking about. We're going to start off talking about another radical dude, teenage movie and ninja gurbles. He's, I don't know, just the more he becomes the face of this movement, I think the better off we all are. Not a charismatic leader. Not a charismatic, exactly. Off-putting toad man. That's right.

Looks like he smells weird. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. With his new, because now he's like going, like he's bicking his bald head now. It looks like frogs. It looks like amphibious skin, like the sheen to it, where it's like, oh, this is always kind of moist, huh? Right.

So we're going to talk about that because they're just like, I don't know, they, they don't quite know how to use him on Fox News. So they're like, here, and let's get your live reaction, just like riff one out about this thing where AOC, like, talk shit about you. let's see what you can come back with flat back on that one huh yeah it's not great he's like simmering rage mixed with like weird misdirected energy happening and all sorts of i mean proving aOC's point because he was just basically saying it's like you know the first thing i do is like make fun of these thin-skinned insecure like this fragile masculinity that dominates this party

like really prod at that as part of the the sort of menu of options we have is the the only thing that have is doing his, like, mouth gets really wet. And it's like, lip starts twitching. There, well, we were, there was a period really hitting on something. We were like, just call them weird, because they're weird. And the thing is, is that there's nothing wrong with being weird, but they're all convinced they can't possibly be weird.

Yeah, when it's like, dude. Like, the ultimate insult to them. Right. Yeah. Exactly. It's because they aren't self-actualized enough to own. Like, when you get past weird being a negative, it's because you're like, yeah, this is who I am. There's nothing, okay, sure. Like, that's what you say because it's different to you,

whereas these people are still caught in, like, the group think of, like, who's in the majority, who's weird, who's not weird. Yeah, dude, just go on the internet and find other adult men who are, like, horny for G.I. Joe's, and you'll stop being so angry. Yeah. I'm not alone.

We'll talk about that. We'll talk about the Supreme Court case on conversion therapy, whether algorithms are ruining hip-hop. This is going to be the closest we've ever gotten to. We're really courting the old head vote in this one, I feel like. We're going to talk about, I had really checked in with the free press, which, you know, as we talked about earlier this week, just got purchased for $150 million. And Barry Weiss, like, took over as the head of CBS News.

And I just wanted to check out, like, A story. And we've also been talking about Tilly Norwood, the fake actress who's, like, getting fake interest from Hollywood. Has Hollywood a buzz? And they had a story about that that I just want to read you, the headline in the subhead, just one sentence. Yeah, I don't want to go into it now, but like just it is one of the wildest things that I've seen in airtime covering the show. So just a little bit of a tease there for you. that plenty more. But first, Mort Burke, we do like to ask our guest, what is

something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Guys, the last thing I Googled was a synonym for masterpiece to describe the new stand-up special that I'm putting out. That's because I don't know if you guys have noticed, but I think you have. It's not easy

out here for us artists, and it's time for us to start tooting our own horns. You should just ask GBT to come up with a synonym for masterpiece. Is that the move? The closest I can find was masterwork. I'm going to ask, what's her name, Tilly? Yeah, Tyloor would ask, yeah.

Ask Chad C.P.T. to give you a masterpiece stand-up set that you can do regurgitate on stage. Has anyone done the version of, like, remember a soul man where a white guy does blackface to, like, get into college, I think? Is that the premise of that? Has anyone done that where, like, somebody pretends to be AI to, like, get the interest of Hollywood, like, a movie? where it's like, Jack, you're thinking of like, that's an A-24 comedy thing. That's ahead of it. That idea is

ahead of its time, Jack. Yeah, I can see. Somebody should do that because like that really, like, what if Tilly Norwood was just like a 19-year-old actress? Like, nobody would know the difference. Right. Yeah. Yeah, that feels like Carmen Christopher and Paul Rudd are going to be in that. Yeah, but I'm just saying more, maybe you put this out as like

an all-AI special. I mean, it's the same version as like white people changing their names to be ethnic to try and get interest, too. for their work. And they'd be like, well, you know, I got this. Maybe things aren't working when I was this white person, but how about this? Uh-huh. Maybe if I'm an AI actress, that'll get me some work.

That movie plot is very, that is such an 80s movie where like the entire zeitgeist was all about like, it was all 80s person pretended to be a different person. Yeah. You mean like the white actor that you had put on brown face for short circuit? No, no, no, no. Like inside the movie. Hey, come on. I thought, well, what's the guy's name?

I forget. He's got that fun name that's like so 80s. Yeah, damn it, Johnny Five guy. You're, bitch, bitch, come on now. It's almost there. Fisher Stevens. Fisher Stevens. Ah, yeah, yeah.

Fisher Stevens. Yeah, that was, I remember being shook when I was like, this guy isn't Indian or like, like South Asian? Like what? But how? I thought Ben Jebitouia was a real guy. It was like when I found out Damon Wayans wasn't gay. I was like, what?

What you've been on film on the living color? Wait, Blaine Edwards and Anton Meriwether aren't real? But anyways, just a pitch. You put yourself out as AI, which people were actually doing it. Like, they were like, look at what, look at this AI version of a Carlin stand-up special. and it was clearly just like written by people because it was way better than anything AI has done since then and it sucked, I will say it sucked

but not as bad as AI does. Mort, sorry, tell us about your special. Which I'm hearing is a master stroke. A magnum opus. It's a masterwork. Yeah, I was just working on it. I recorded it at the lyric hyperion. I'm going to put it out in a couple months.

I'm very excited about it. I also want to be the first person to actively stalk Tilly Norwood. Dude, you are actually late as we're going to get to later in this story. Later in this episode. Come up with something original, man. There's already a ton of TV. All right, fair. Real quick, more top three jokes from your special.

Go. Number one, I've never farted. That's a 20 minute bit. I just like that as a joke. I never farted 20 minute bit. What else? Yeah. Number two, what's up with chicks these days?

They're different than guys. That's like a 12-minute piece. Have you ever noticed that? They really are different. Yeah, I find them to be different. In many compelling ways. Yeah, totally. There's a lot of...

This way. Yeah. They go about it this way. Yeah. And I can't believe that they replace straws with paper straws. So that's another like 15. Hey, what's the deal? What is the deal with that?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. These things stink. I came up with this word. I invented this word. It's word woke. That's sort of what I'm kind of... Oh, great.

Yeah, all right. I'm ready. I'm ready. That sounds fucking good, man. Yeah. That's part of your Terry Shivo block. Jesus Christ. What is something you think is underrated?

Underrated? I'm going RuPaul's drag race. And I'll say that. So my... This starts with... My wife is really trying to make me buy. And it's working, and I've never been happy. beer. It started with the

it started with the bidet, obviously, which was so great. And then now, right, fellas, yeah. So, first of all, RuPaul's Drag Race, you're basically doing anti-fascism work, just watching this thing now with the way the country is. I treat it like a Falcons game where I'm like, what do you mean, Miss Vanjee's kid didn't win that lip-sake? Get your eyes

check, Ms. Selva Shaj. Like, shit like that. It's, it's so, great you sashay away yeah yeah exactly yeah fuck out of here sashay you stay bullshit what do you mean that was a meaty tuck that's other than it has their i've watched well first of all big surprise i've watched 10 seasons of 10 seasons still attracted to women isn't that weird i get i don't know it's i guess they might be wrong about how they're trying to make us all be gay see that's how you're not going to end up on jesse water show see he wanted somebody going like and it messed me up jessie I don't even know, man.

Yeah, but the culture of the thing, there's, first of all, it's so funny. It's like, the socioeconomics of it all is all over the map. So there's like really like, what would you say? There's a lot of like poverty and then there's a lot of queens who come from like more privileged backgrounds. So the jokes are all, like there's so many jokes about sex work. It's unbelievable. Like the amount of times they just talk about hooking and shit is so, so funny. and the culture is insane

and there's like RuPaul's kind of old right so she's like a little corny but she's still making fisting jokes and stuff so it's yeah I've never seen nothing like it's just because she's a land-owning oligarch now doesn't mean she lost her in it you know what I mean yeah that's right there's a clear hierarchy too which is

you know it just goes to show everybody's going to end up adopting this Western hierarchical shit no matter who you are yeah yeah what's something you think's over rated. The movie Shawshank Redemption. Oh.

Oh. Oh, deal. It's actually bringing up all kinds of supporting documents, I think, right now. Which angle you're taking? What's your opening gambit here, asshole?

First of all, I like any bit that is 20 years old, 20 years too late. I think that's a powerful move. Yes. But I, look, man, okay, it's a well-made film shirt. And also, of course, it does kind of feed into the white male oppression fantasy that's so popular these days.

But what's hilarious about it to me is there's that scene with Morgan Freeman where Andy Dufrain goes and he wants to get the Rita Hayworth poster and it's in the cinema, you know, and it's supposed to be this like very heartwarming exchange between two old friends. But clearly Morgan Freeman has to think that Tim Robbins character is going to jack off to that poster. Right. you know what we did it didn't they didn't show that part right but the parts where Andy Dufrein is like walking out and disposing of dirt through his pant leg like that dirt is also accompanied by a great deal of Cone yeah so that so the voiceover should be like Andy Dufrein loved to masturbate he couldn't get enough after 10 years he needed a new poster and he came to me that was our Andy guys just constantly jacking on

all right uh well fuck shawshank redemption i'm i'm fully sold on that are you a green mile fan by any chance i started i've never seen it i started to watch it me neither yeah i do like the green i do like shashank and i was like i don't know this i've only seen this scenes where tom hanks has a hard time taking a piss that's mainly jack you have that's for a broader thesis that you have a looping video clip that you watch for two hours and say i'm watching Green Mile. There's so many reasons. One, I like Shosh Night Redemption. Two, Green Mile is the

climax of Tom Hanks' arc throughout his career of like having to pee like peeing being a key part of his character work. And then that whole movie, his entire character's point is that he has

a hard time peeing and then gets his penis cleared by the hands of Jesus, the healing hands of Jesus. But yeah, J.C., John Coffey. Yeah, that's the only cult I would join, the one that teaches that. It's funny, though, too, gospel. Like, you were saying more like this, that, like, Shawshank's kind of, like, for, like, white guys.

Because I remember the first time I saw it was, like, at a kid's sleepover. And they're like, you never saw Shawshank Redemption? Yeah. And I was like, I don't know, bro. And then I was like, okay, fine. But then I know so many people who, like, they ride for it. I mean, look, everyone has a movie that speaks to them. I just didn't.

I didn't realize how much. aspects of it where they like learn the so you know they kind of learn empathy and that's nice but then there's a there is an overarching theme that feels like a couple of things which is hey you know that like boring mediocre white guy that you know he's actually the greatest hero that's ever existed right right and then also like the one time a white guy went to jail for a crime he didn't commit becomes this like epic tale of oh my god did you imagine yeah this like White businessman who are supposed to be like, is this wholly innocent, whatever. But it's still, it's watchable, you know.

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And we're back. We back. And talking about eminently watchable. Stephen Miller. Jesus Christ. This guy holds the fucking camera in the palm of his capable hands. He looks like he's got like Dr. Evil vibes now. Oh, yeah.

Like, because he's got, like, kind of a doctor-no. His eyes. Sort of like, I could feel like he would have, like, a, like a scar running down his face now. I expect you to die. Yeah. Like, any, everything he says is, like, less natural coming out of his mouth than, no, I expect you to die. Like, that's what should be coming out of. Like, every time he's, I didn't identify it until this moment when I realized that's the uncanny feeling I have when he talks is,

Wait, why is he not telling me that he expects me to die before explaining his scheme and walking off? He looks like he has a chronic illness that makes you sleepy and grumpy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's something. I think it could just be general unhappiness, but either way, he is just really, he's in the public eye so much, whether it was his, you're not hardcore, we're hardcore, they're just every day we have to hear from him more and more, him trying to describe the state of the

country like there's this left wing terrorist network that must be dismantled by the state and we have to use every power available um but again i mean i think this is because he's so visible a lot of people like is he actually running this administration day to day like he seems to know the most about everything going on and then gets in front of the microphones like he does uh but he is one of the most reviled people in the country and it clearly doesn't bother him sure uh his own family's been publishing stuff over the years about him. And recently his cousin did, which a lot of people were like, oh, let's see what his own family thinks about him, which brought a post from a few years ago from his uncle on his mother's side, who's like a neurologist or neuro-psychologist,

some fancy brain shit. And he, like one way he described, quote, there is a deep vein of hypocrisy running through the Trump administration. And my odious nephew, Stephen Miller, is the purest example of it. So, okay. He can probably, I think he maybe, he got through that one. Sounds like someone else was Googling some synonyms. Dude, my odious is fucked up. Like, if my uncle said my odious nephew, I would be angry. Yeah, that sounds like so a word of villain and a Pixar movie would use.

Yeah, exactly. And odiferous. But look, his cousin this week on his mom's side also chimed in with this whole thing about just saying, like, I knew him as like this sensitive, like, goofy middle child who was just like, Dick, really nice to the younger kids, goes on to say, quote, I am living with deep pain, with the deep pain of watching someone I once loved become the face of evil. I grieve what you've become, Stephen. I will never knowingly let evil into my life, no matter whose blood it carries,

including my own. And then she went, goes on. You know how obsessed this family is with blood. Yeah. Whose blood it carries running through its veins superiorly. I'm picturing a woman who looks like Stephen Miller with a wig on. on type of yes, but she goes on to talk about, you know, Stephen Miller's Jewish, and she talks about how at family gatherings, their families were told stories about their ancestors surviving

pogroms and ghettos and the Holocaust and something like as a family culture, we're like, this, we will not repeat this. We will protect this, you know, are each other people from this ever happening again. She goes and say, quote, we celebrated holidays each year with the reminder to stand up and say never again. But what you are doing breaks that sacred promise. It breaks everything we were how can you do to others what has been done to us? How can you wake up each day and repeat the cruelty that our people barely escaped from? Right.

And with Trump, like, he would just be like, that's loser shit, you're a loser, get out of here. But with Stephen Miller, his eyes starts twitching, and his mouth gets wet. And it's like, how dare you? Speak to me like this. You know, like that's what I'm picturing happening behind the scenes.

just like spit flecking out of his mouth. Did you ever see that clip where Jesse Waters had his wife on? I didn't talk about it. That Stephen Miller's wife on? Yeah, and she talks about his, they talk about how he isn't bed? I don't know how I miss this one. You are married to Stephen Miller.

So you are the envy of all women. What is that like? All right, wait, does that, he, this is that a bit? Is that a joke? I believe Jesse Waters is fucking. and his wife. The envy of all women. So he's just like nagging her husband.

Yeah, because he's probably like, yo, I should be having that. Like, this is, okay, this is, again, one more time because he laughs. He's like, yo, I'm taking shots at your man right now. You are married to Stephen Miller. So you are the envy of all women. What is that like? The sexual matador, right?

What is it like being married to such a sexual matador? He is an incredibly inspiring. And then she goes on to just say some stupid boiler. played shit, but just a weird moment. It sounds like she was referencing something that somebody had said before. It definitely sounds like an inside joke. I think the bull is the

female orgasm. And he just continually pulls the rain carpet away. You're never, never, never getting a satisfying touch out of me. But anyway, I always think of the sexual Madador is never getting gourd. No. Yeah, no, that would probably

be cool to have your wife go on national TV, have the person who's interviewing her, be like, yeah, so, uh, that, that must be really cool. Everybody thinks he's hot and cool, like in a, clearly sarcastic. And then they make a inside sexual joke about you? Yeah, to each other. I can't imagine what that would be like to a, to a person to have that experience. This is Stephen Miller just, like, in the most loveless marriage where his, like, there's just all this extra marital shit going, like, Jesse Waters, too, honey? You know, just you're not...

Was she the one who went and worked for Elon Musk? Yeah, for a little bit. And then came back. And everyone's like, oh, you left with Elon? And everyone, there's a lot of speculation. Like, at the height of the rift between Trump and the Trump administration and Elon Musk, she went and worked for Elon Musk for Elon Musk. I'm just saying.

And then came home. I don't know. This is a lot of weird. There's a lot of weird. A lot of weird shit going on all these people. Yeah, she's got a type, which is undiagnosed neurotypical fascism. Yeah, yeah, the face that launched a thousand dipshits. So Stephen Miller was recently on Laura Ingram show, and I don't know.

Again, like you were saying at the top jack, this guy's not good talking unless he's, even when he's screaming, you're just like, oh my God, dude, calm down. Unless he's borrowing from like a historic Nazi space. beach. Yeah, exactly. Literally the words of gerbils, but just slightly updated for today's audiences. This was him when he went on Laura Ingram's show, and she brings up that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez posted this video of him being like, do this guy's a loser? And Lower Ingram's like, hey, let's watch this together. And so we get the, we get the wonderful benefit of seeing Stephen Miller's face as like a side-by-side as AOC is just poking fun. I will say, Just up top, like, we need better insult writers for the, I agree that this isn't the best tact to go after him for being a short king, apparently.

But it's just, it is interesting to watch his response to it. Look, you know, Democratic, like elected officials, save for maybe Jasmine Crockett, are good at just firing from the hip and just having a great burn. but again that they've triangulated yeah yeah exactly I mean look this is what they're

they're fucking paying all these podcastsers get a fucking writer's room together you know what I mean you get some fire tweets anyway here is Laura Ingram making Stephen Miller

watch himself be made fun of see is your you're her favorite target apparently on Instagram check this out he looks like he is angry

about the fact that he's 410 and he looks looks like he is so mad that he is 410, that he's taking that anger out at any other population possible. Like, laugh at them. Laugh at them. Like, laugh at them.

Laugh at them. I wish I had a hoodie on. I mean, are we trying to play sorority sister as this? I was out of sorority over the weekend over in Texas. I felt like I was back in the sorority house, except they have. clap back, too. What a hoodie is there already with a hoodie on? Are you wearing a sweatshirt with a hood on it? Laura, don't

do it to him like that. What do you, what do you vaguely comfortable in your own home? Stephen, quick response. Well, we knew that her brain didn't work. Now we know their eyes don't work. So the, I mean, she's just, she is a mess, right?

What a train wreck. What a train wreck. I think you should just get a hoodie. It's great. You should just wear a hoodie from now on and respond to her in a hoodie. Should be hoodie to hoodie. You should wear a hoodie. Thank you so much. Go ahead. I think the important point is that

is that every time she's on TV, Republican approval ratings go up, Democrat approval ratings go down. That lady is a walking nightmare. And you're about, I know you for 20 years, you're about 5.10, 11. About 5.10.

Red-faced laugh. 5-10. 5-10. Again, yeah, just, oh, wow. And now her eyes don't. I know we've known that their brains don't work the way he lins it in a K

on the word work is like every poor high high school kid who like goes viral for being like I'll jump I'm going to finally tell you what I really think I'll tell you what's what Just say he can't fuck yeah you know what I mean like that's so above his mental pay grade like dude

you can't even fuck dude look at you and they're like well I because like in this one he can respond with I'm 5.10. I'm not 4.10. I'm 5.10. Is this your wife on Jesse Waters? Dude, she's cheating on you. Is that an inside joke between them? That's what they call you when they're having sex, dude. And they laugh. And they laugh. Sexual Madador. It's like such a inside joke about how you fuck. Between your wife

and Jesse Water. It is wild though, too, because if you think of every time, time she's on and he comes up, she's always revealing some weird shit about him. Like, he only, like, he loves mayonnaise. It was like that last thing when she had her podcast, and she's like, oh, yeah, he likes mayonnaise. He's a manna's guy. His wife? Yeah.

This may have been when you were out. Someone, they were talking about, like, oh, what is you, like, there was something about a condiment. I think it was J.D. Vance was talking about the kind of condiments that he likes. Like, J.D. Vance preferred. And she's like, oh, my husband, he's a mayo guy. Like, he would just eat mayo. If, like, he could.

Eat mayo with a spoon. So really turn on the sex appeal as you drink, as you eat a whole one gallon tub of best foods mayonnaise with a wooden ladle. And be like, hey, you want to kiss tonight, babe? It is an accurate snapshot of, you know, he's a white supremacist. And at least he's like steering into that, you know, being like, mayo is actually our national food. it's so like it's so immature this like political back and floor shit now i can't wait till he has to

have a press conference where he's like my penis is totally normal right yeah completely normal perfectly average they reporters have to ask questions about it and shit what is average sir according to you um what what i'm what do you think is it good whatever good is it's really good strong well now we know your eyes don't work i am five ten it's like yeah sure sure but i mean there is something to say that he is being he is more and more visible and sort of he kind of gets away with saying the really fucking out there shit too i mean obviously none of them are being you know held to account but he's the one that really kind of pushes the envelope further and further and further although it's funny when he's pressed like on cnn about

being like you guys are just profiling people racially he hasn't quite crossed the rubicon into yeah we are he's like that's that's absurd That's absurd. So there's still this like this fake sense of decency that he still tries to engage in despite on his face

being ninja gerbils. All right. Moving on to the Supreme Court where they're currently hearing arguments challenging a Colorado law banning the barbaric practice of conversion therapy.

The case began with Christian licensed counselor Kaylee Childs who's arguing Christian license? Count Christian. Yeah, she's been licensed by Christianity to counsel people and arguing that her first amendment rights are being violated. And she's like doing it as a, it's not that you're regulating my speech. You're regulating professional conduct. Okay. Right. And that is one thing we can't abide because like that that's the way in is. Sorry. As the state. Humans don't have rights, but businesses do in this country. We can't. allow that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she, all because they're saying, yeah, you can't torture people into making them change who they are. That's, that's really what we're talking about here. But again, sure, it's, it's my First Amendment right to, yes, counsel these children. Yeah. And she's backed by the Alliance Defending Freedom, which is a deep pocketed, right-wing legal advocacy organization that, known in some quarters as a hate group, such as by the Southern Proverages. Law Center. And yeah, the American Psychological Association calls conversion therapy a huge danger as compared to torture and says that it could cause depression, suicidal ideation,

self-blame guilt, and loss of hope. And meanwhile, the Supreme Court appears to be like ready to side with them, with not the, not the doctors. No, no. I mean, the last few dumbass the case is that ADF is brought to the Supreme Court, you know, they've ended up winning, like, you know, where the woman was like, I don't design websites, but I was asked to design a website for a gay couple who is getting married. And, and I couldn't say no. I have to be able to say no. There's all, like, like, this is what their whole sort of legal strategy has been. Hypothetically, as a non-website designer. This, like, this, this idea that you can change a person through psychological torture. is so fucking backwards and I think speaks to what how many so just conservatives just look at things like well there's got to be a cure for that thing of who you are as a person maybe if i use covenant eyes i won't be looking at weird porn because i have this app on my phone or maybe if i torture my child into denying who they are they can conform more to what i think i need them to be et cetera et cetera but yeah my my husband won't be addicted to grinder for all those terrible

despicable blow jobs all the time he exactly there's demonic demonic fallacious things that he oh god it's also like had these people only met 11 people in their lives like how do you not befriend gay people you know what i mean like how do you not have somebody come across your path at a person who is like kind and open-hearted and also is gay very carefully by very carefully charting your course and just shutting out any fucking relationships. It's so bizarre, man. And also just the question of like, okay, if it's a choice

then what's your problem? Like, that means that you could choose to be gay. That's so interesting because I don't feel like I can. With the help of a small amount of electroshock therapy, I can just force myself to stop having those damned

thoughts. Because like this is again, like, I'm pretty sure with this, this isn't a case where, like, there is an actual victim, like, where they can be, like, oh, these are under pro-LGBQ laws or something. Like, this is the thing they did. Like, even with the, there was, like, a football coach. They were pretend, like, they made up to be like, this guy was told he couldn't pray. And they're like, that was a long time ago. For the Christian set? Well, they just, I mean, again, it's like always these hypothetical things to sort of get ahead of it just to be able to bring something in front of the Supreme Court.

Right, which again shows white people's incredible ability to victimize themselves. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're so good at it. That mayonnaise is we fucking, oh, yeah. I can't get enough. Yeah, self-pity and just a sloppy Mayo Sammy. Oof, good to go.

I mean, this is like a thing, too, like, where even like one of the heads of one of like the largest sort of quote unquote conversion therapy groups, like they cut ties with the president and the founder because the guy was like, yeah, not one person has. has ever become straight because of this. Right. So it's not the best batting average ever. So we're working with a not one person average, which I think is a zero, which is a little bit below the Mendoza line, but we're into harming people. So that's kind of like what we're here for. Yeah, because this is all just part of the campaign, you know, of to create just these outgroups.

And again, when it's legal to psychologically torture a gay person, then, yeah, then we just have like this de facto discrimination against LGBTQ people. And now, like, with all the anti-trans shit going on, this is just like, this is part of the fucking movement to be like, yeah, and that's okay and that's normal. And shit, way too many states already have, like, it's legal in way too many states as it is now. That's what I'm saying. Rupal's drag race, man. It's so, like, every third episode, they really tell a story about one of the. And it's so beautiful and like heart-wrenching. I was just, okay, this will make sense in a second.

RIP, Jane Goodall, I was just listening to this interview with her. And she was talking about how she did this. She went and basically stopped scientists from practicing research on monkeys. And the way she did it, because she would go there and see these apes who she loved in cages. She would go there and tell them stories about monkeys and show them footage of monkeys playing. And, like, in the, you know, in the Amazon and, like, lazing around and enjoying each other's company. And she was like, the way you change people is by telling them stories. It's not about being, like, bullied into changing your mind or hate into changing.

Change now. Right. Yeah. Projecting your bullshit hate onto somebody else is just absurd and says so much more about these people than the people they're trying to convert who are fine. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So you harm people who represent something in your mind that you are trying.

to fight with shame, and then you use shame on them to make them feel the pain you're feeling. Because that's the thing that all these, like, you know, right-wing conservatives always talk about is like there's like there isn't an, like, the ability to shame people back into the closet or whatever isn't as potent as it used to be. And like, that has to come back. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break.

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And we're back. We're back. And so Barry Weiss is the free press. Are you doing that to fuck the disrespect? Barry. Barry. But I like, fuck you, Barry Weiss. Oh, it's not like Barry Pepper.

Barri Weiss's free press, which is like the blog she started after, she left the New York Times because they, like, were too woke for her. allegedly. And it's got some, I don't know, I haven't like paid that much attention, like every once in a while people would be like, look at the wild shit that they're saying over there. But the guys at Chappo just pulled out an article

from this in relation to that Tilly Norwood story that we've been talking about. This is an AI actor, like a fake AI actress, and they've created a fake story around it where there's like fake interest from Hollywood. in her and like they're like she's going to get signed by a talent agency and this is all being like perpetuated by somebody who is starting a talent agency for AI talent so anyways the article uh this is an article where I guess it's an op edge from somebody named Tyler Cowan Taylor Cowan yeah and it's it's a very standard form of like conservative

op-ed piece where he's lamenting the state of film and how we don't make movies like Barry Lyndon anymore a movie that is main... A movie that's mainly known for

having been shot on only candlelight. So like it's specifically like a thing about a artist's vision that they were like, I'm going to do something very challenging.

I've only lit this using candlelight. Like, lit it only using, like, the things that were available to the people at the time. He put, he, so in that context,

he somehow gets excited about the technology of AI actresses because, and I'm just going to read the subhead. All right. So the title is,

my favorite actress is not human. That's already such a red flag. This is already your favorite actress? Because she's only been, in like two minutes worth of clips. He doesn't know anything. As we pointed out, like,

Tilly Norwood, if you haven't seen her, like, so one of the first tweets that somebody that I saw somebody make about her that was like, of course, like the first AI actress they make is a teen girl because it's like, then you can like control her and make you do

make her do whatever you want. Anyways, the subhead. Tilly Norwood doesn't need a hairstyle, has no regrettable posts. And if you wish to see a virgin on screen, this is one of your better chances. That's because she's AI. At FBI.

Tag. At FBI. What the fuck? What? If you wish to see a virgin on screen? Who is watching movies with the, like, evaluating the performance of an actor

based on like whether they've had sex? Yeah, I love how much these dudes hate it when women have sex. Oh my God. I remember when there used to be virgins on screen. Like what? When I'd watch Mickey Mouse Club or something, like what are you fucking saying,

dude? They never had sex with anybody. They've never been touched. Jack, did you subscribe to the free press to read the rest of it? No, so I couldn't read the rest of the article because I will not be giving them their mind. I looked on the way back machine to try and find like a cash version, but even the way back machine

couldn't find a cash, like I don't think anybody subscribes to this. They're like, bro, you want to read this for real? Why? It truly feels like a confession to a crime and it's just treated by this apparently incredibly valuable media outlet

as like just normal media criticism. But it's, I mean, it's wild that she got a $150 million payout basically. from Larry Ellison. Right. Just that grift isn't, it's just fucking next level. It's like,

you're like, the New York Times is too woke for my backwards ass. Like the New York Times, really? Okay, go on. The New York Times is too much? And they're like, I'm starting this whole new thing

and a university to teach people and then you end up with $150 million and now you're running CBS News. So you can probably maybe give this guy more air time, hopefully. Yeah, and maybe they will make all, the requirement for being a successful actor will be being a virgin,

which would be great, because then it'll just be like clumsy, awkward, sweaty goofballs, straight to read lines. Right, right, right. It just goes back to, yeah, it's all like 30-something men who are like just awkward

and like with wigs on and stuff. Yeah, yeah. And it's not like there, you know, if this dude was asexual, great. That's cool. Yeah. What is he talking about? We all know that we've longed to see a actor on-screen

who's a virgin right like that's that's something like it just opens like it opens it starts from there yeah he is by the way the like the the picture of him he looks to be what mid 60s this guy mid mid 1600s probably like he looks like shit and he looks like he I mean again this is the thing with the Tilly Norwood stuff when it first came out like the people who were so into it was this idea like it became this like oh I a virtual girl puppet for my pleasure and I make it do what as I please and it's perfect and it's in my vision and for whatever reason this Tyler Cowan guy is like and it's a virgin and you're like Jesus fucking Christ like there's so this is so much deeper than fucking AI people it's this idea

of like well if I can't control women physically and in real life in physical space then the next best thing are these like sort of algorithmic creations that still it'll activate my senses as if it's a woman and I control it now. Yeah. Yeah, it's totally, it's totally being afraid of women, which I, you know,

I get women are scary. They're beautiful and they can hurt your heart. Do that bit from your, do that section from your stand-up special. Yeah, so I've never farted. I've never, I've never,

I've planned. No, no, not that one. No, no, no, no, no, the women. Definitely never farted.

Because no one here. All right. Should we talk about hip-hop, Miles? Yeah, hip-hop. Should we get into some old head shit here real quick. I don't know. Look, I know this sounds old, like some old head shit, but the data is backing up this old head take. Sure. Which I need, okay? Because I also need that. None of my beliefs are being reinforced in reality right now for some reason. None of my values.

But yeah, 11 years ago, like 50 cent went on Snoop's like, you know, YouTube live show where he just like, they just gets incredibly high and then just like ramble about shit. Where at the time they were both like, Man, nothing sounds like different back when I was coming up. Everyone had their own style. There was their own sound. And now everything sounds the same, which again felt, at that time especially just felt like an old head comment about the sort of new state of rap. But a new study, like, analyzed some of the top songs over like a 10-year period.

And the data does show like a creative homogenization that has like occurred. And I don't think it's because of, because rap is just like lost its way. It's because fucking algorithms are incentivizing this sort of creative conformity as a way to access audiences. So this was, I believe these French researchers, shout out to French, you know, for taking the art seriously. They were looking at, so like there's a playlist on Spotify called Rap Caviar, which is like where all the new shit drops. And if you're like an up and coming artist, like your mission in life is to get on Rap Caviar because that's how you begin to sort of enter the mainstream. And so they looked at just sort of the hits on rap caviar over like a course of 10 years and just analyzed it. And so they said contemporary hip-hop songs are 60% more similar in their word usage than tracks from two decades ago.

Nearly 90% use the same drum kit, meaning the 808 drum kit, which, you know, it was like originally like a trap thing. And then now just became like the standard is everything's 808 drums now. specifically 43 of 50 songs follow one of two nearly identical drum patterns like down to the rhythms like it's like 43 of 50 are doing one of two drum patterns and song duration has also changed so again like it's this is all kind of talking about like the sample the art of sampling's gone too like that was a thing in the golden era of hip hop like you needed people like DJ Premier who's like a jazz freak, genius, fan of jazz to pull all these samples to give you all these iconic instrumentals

because it came from somebody who was like interacting with older work. Now they're saying rather than doing samples producers are doing interpolations to pay like sort of less money than directly sampling. And that has increased exponentially over the years and now it's even changed the business of like publishing where people are just trying to buy up whole catalogs to try and get like that sampling or interpolation money that's out there. But again, pointing out all these different artists who are using just

interpolations of existing songs or even hip hop songs from 10 years ago to sort of get on the charts. And they say this is all because of Spotify's use of playlists. And that's affecting things like runtime for songs. Like their songs are like a minute and 10 seconds shorter than they used to be like 12 years ago. And because Spotify doesn't count a song as like a listen until you've listened to 30 seconds. It also incentivizes producers to put, like, the hook earlier to get, like, the catchy part going to sort of be like, okay, we need them to get that 30 seconds. Like, it's all just being sort of gamified in this.

But is rap caviar, like, a editorially, like, selected choice of songs? Or is it based on, like, plays and, like, how popular or something? It's a little bit of both. I mean, they have editors at Spotify who are, like, going to put stuff in there. But they're also looking at data, too. and so it's like a combination of two because I feel like in LA for like the last couple years

like all I hear is gonna on the radio right and like and I in working in radio I remember at the time when I worked at Power 106 I was like what the fuck because I remember just being there and asking someone like how come we're only playing the same

fucking 10 songs right because like you know the musical director is like a DJ so like you know we both like music I'm like but how come you can't play like other shit he's like man it's because the way the ratings work if someone has like a a PPM, like a personal, like a listening meter device that they use for like Nielsen ratings,

they need to count on it being something that a person is going to stay on the radio. So they keep playing the hits just to keep someone there because they need it for the ratings. It's not even for the quality of the listen for the other people. It's in case someone has one of these personal listening meters on and that counts for them as someone tuning into the radio station. So it's based on, it just sounds, I'm trying to get a sense of like how this winnowing down as being done, right? It sounds like there are people who are doing analysis with the algorithms to, like, kind of put a certain set of songs in front of people that are then further winnowed down

by, like, people's preferences, and then the algorithm's interaction with people's preferences. Yeah, but it's just, it homogenizes things, like, because it's just going through all these levels of like anticipation based on previous artwork of what people are going to like as opposed to like movies are still this art form where like there's a lot of bullshit out there but at least like you still sometimes get a thing that is like well that is like an idea a vision for something that was inside someone's head and then it like came out well but there's still there's still plenty of good in this keeping that analogy with movies there's still plenty of good hip hop and there always has been.

Right, yeah, for sure. It's just like, what is the hits is the question. Totally. And, dude, young, young thud just had those phone calls released where he admitted to paying 50 grand to get bots for the gun album, right? So it's like, all that stuff starting to get exposed is the payola issue that it is. Well, and I think the other part, too, is like, it's Spotify's model, right? Like, they want, they want bingeability.

So they have more people using it. So then, like, if you're, if you're like on the ad-supported version, they can show advertisers, like, this is how many people still engage with our platform. but they want it to basically keep people from skipping songs. So like, the same thing with discovery,

it's easy to passively discover a thing if you're using like smart shuffle which is going to suggest things to you. It's like, well, I don't want to listen to the same album, but I am listening to this one track and now let me put smart shuffle on

and now you're saying algorithm, feed me things that are structurally similar to this. Yeah, exactly. And then decentivizes experimentation. 100%. And I think that that's why like, I think a lot of the

artists that do really well now, like, are somewhat different, and they don't get, like, lost in the sea of, like, 808s and auto tunes. And, like, I like, I like that shit, too. But knowing, too, I know other people who are musicians and also talk about, they're like, bro, I have to get on the Spotify list. Like, it's just, yeah, the shit is so fucking different now. It's like, that's like, that's the way I'm going to get even discovered. That's why I'm doing a song that even sounds like this. This is a quote from someone who was, uh, of like an interscope and A&M records, basically compared, quote, the past. power to New York's hot 97 radio station in the 90s. Quote, a song goes in rap caviar and everyone pays attention. But landing a spot on rap caviar requires conforming to certain sonic standards. Songs must blend seamlessly into hours-long listening sessions. So, again, there's this incentive to be like, well, if you can kind of be vibrationalally with what's going on here, that's how you're going to get it. Now, old heads, old heads, you know, we're still digging through cricks. You know what I mean?

I'm still trying to unearth new gems. But I totally get, though, too, how when I listen to, like, a curated or algorithmic plays, like, you might like this track based on what, or this playlist based on the song you're playing, it's sort of, it's not always like what I'm looking for. And it also ends up, like they also, in their analysis said, that the content lyrically is also changing. Like, there's less storytelling. Yeah. Empirically, lyrically. Mirically. Less mirically.

Yes. I do have to I keep telling you that those crates you're digging through are just old milk bottles. I don't know, man.

They smell terrible. There's one that's just Steely Dan records. But the peg. I love it. No, but it's, I don't know, man. I grew up loving hip hop.

I still do. And it really is a fascinating thing to watch it. Everything go from like, day last old, Pete Rocks, Seale, Smooth, public enemy,

NW. a to, you know what I mean, to now what it's become to the separation between like overground and underground that is so distinct. And that's why Kendrick Lamar is so fascinating because he's so brilliantly walks that line. And I love that he, the way he uses like mystery. He's not like chasing the algorithm. He just like, like, watch the party die, right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then watch the party die seems to predict what's happened and is happening in Atlanta. Like it's a really fat. He's like John Henry to me or something. You know what I mean? like he's and and dude the new jid record is really great yeah

I mean like that's the thing like there's a lot of good young rappers there's so many good rappers but I think that's the thing I think the harm is that we yes totally we have ceded our ability to discover new music to an algorithm and we're become passive and like you know like his radio isn't gonna you're not always going to hear some shit that you're like oh wait what was that I haven't heard that because again and that shit with that is so magical like the first time I heard they reminisce over you on the radio is like a cosmic trip like there's nothing like hearing something brand new that's also beautiful you know so that's like a loss that's kind of a lot and two

of course it's separating everything into like the one percent and everything else like that's what capitalism ultimately is designed to do other thing just as like a music nerd that was really jarring to me in this analysis was that like basically everything is being quantized now like nothing and quantization is how like if you're making a beat, if you play slightly off the beat or something and you quantize it, it snaps it onto a rigid, like rhythmic grid. So there is no feel anymore. Stephen Miller is a big thing. Yeah, I loves it. Like, you know, Jay Dilla, one of my favorite producers. Yeah, Jay Dillard. Right. That's the opposite of Jay Dilley. And if you listen to Q-tip

to come from the similar production philosophy, they didn't quantize their beats. That's why, like, tribe beats have a fucking human feel to them because it's not on this like rigid quantized grid. And now quantization has been, like, just completely the norm now. So you don't even get the nuances of just a little bit of drift rhythmically that make it feel like a person's making it. Yeah, yeah. Which is, like, can be kind of interesting in small amounts, that's kind of interesting. Like, there's like, when new wave shit happened, everything became electronic in this sort of interesting way. But I think that's, that kind of like, it just needs to be not the only existing thing on the radio.

Like, we need to have both. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, they're, yeah, I really, I really believe that. I mean, talk about the only existing thing on the radio. Like, music used to be the only option. And now you've got a little, little couple guys named Jack and Miles for people to, uh, and so. I'm not going to take all the blame for this, but I'm not going to say, I mean the music industry fucking desperate. Okay.

They're like, we're hammeraging listeners to the day. Yeah, we're doing a terrible job of chasing the algorithm. them. And we are in no way desperate. And yes, we do have those little moments where when we sense that the show's lagging, we insert a thing where we go, whoa, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, no, wait. Don't do, don't switch to the radio. The radio sucks. You fucking hate me, huh? Yeah, you fucking hate me like everybody in my life. I guess I should just quit. And if this is news to you as a listener, that means you haven't been listening all the way through to the episodes where we beg with tears in our eyes for you to stick around for the post roll. It's pathetic.

She's going to fucking leave me, man. Mort Burke, what a pleasure having you, as always, on the Daily Zykeyes. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Yes, at Mort Burke on Instagram. I'm posting sketches that I just, this is interesting. What we were talking about. I just had a meeting with a social media teacher the other day to try to help me figure out how to make my shit more palatable. Yeah.

I like palatable. I'm looking at other stuff. It's caustic and repellent. I would describe your post as repellent. Yeah. Yeah. First is, yeah, I'm going to get leg implants and a bunch of jaw implants. There you go.

We're doing number one on the list. But, yeah, we're posting sketches on there every week, so check it out. I'm really, I'm really proud of them. And the 50th episode of Rebrand comes out this Wednesday, which will be out when this is out. Hell, what you're doing for episode 50? We talk about all the different things we rebranded and things that we thought we made up that aren't made up actually things that we thought didn't exist but

but do exist like a penny farthing motorcycle wow that's ball right that's a great stuff like that but go listen to the old episodes too we got episodes with Ron Funches River Butcher bug Williamson James Willems all these really fun people

sounds great is there a work of media that you've been enjoying you know what guys is the skateboard liaison I want to briefly talk about the somewhat polarizing new A6 skate video. I like it. Directed by Jacob Harris, who you either like his style or you don't.

It's a little dreamy, a little lynchian. Whoa. A little bit. It's a weird skate video that some people hate, some people love, but I like it because everybody's not wearing a monster energy hat. I always think footage looks cooler when you're not all. And God bless the dudes who got against you know what I mean. Make the money for sure. Nothing against those.

Damn, I didn't know. A6 has a skate team now? That's what's kind of interesting about it. And they're, yeah, so it's corporate shoe wear, which isn't great for the independent shoe companies, but they, they're hiring some good, good people on the team. Yeah, this dude of quasi is so good, man, so sick. Check it out. Amazing. Miles, where can people find you as there at work in media you've been enjoying? Oh, man, yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. You can find me talking about 90-day fiancé on 420-day fiancé with Sophia, Alexandra, just a thing that made me feel old, but just a fact. Wait, where did it go?

Well, it doesn't matter because this is just a factoid that I read. But it was just a fact about how Vladimir's Guerrero Jr. and senior are the only father-son duo to hit postseason grand slams. And I was like, wow. That brought a tear to my eye. Because I remember when he came on the scene with no batting gloves. I was like, who the, this guy's fucking lost. I really made a fucking girl. Yeah.

Just hands full of splinters. Yeah. Just tough Dominican hands, beating the shit out of the ball. I love you, Vlad. Ed Guerrero, Sr. and junior. Shout out to the fucking Blue Jays, man, because they are, they beat the shit out of the Yankees the other day.

And part of me wonders if, like, it's like, I wonder, like, is the, the hatred of how America's become so backwards as your southern neighbor? Will that power, like, the Blue Jays to a World Series? I don't know. I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind. I mean, that's the...

I mean, Dodgers win. Over the Dodgers round, too. You know, we spent way too much money to fuck this up. But, yeah. of my money you can find me on Twitter Jack underscore O'Brien Blue Sky at Jack O'B

the number one work of media I've been enjoying Helen at Helen on Twitter said let's be clear the best invention in the last five years

is not chat GPT it's nerds gummy clusters oh fuck yeah that is correct you said that I'm following them Helen at H-E-L-N oh Helen yeah yeah

yeah we follow each other yeah the best um you can find us on twitter and blue sky at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram you can go to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it and there at the bottom you will find the footnotes which is where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode we also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy our algorithm tells us that you might enjoy this song uh miles is there a song that you think the yes man rough squad okay so rough squad is like a grime crew from from from

the UK in it from back in the day but like I've just been I've heard some of the beats from the Rough Squad come out in like different mixes and I've just been diving back in there's one track one of their most famous like tracks called Together it's got like this message

in a bottle like guitar sample in it but it's also got like this Timbalin style rhythm going with it it's just dope it's just it feels nostalgic and for the old heads you know what I mean let's fucking feel like like when we were in our heyday, you know, when I used to wear two headbands at the same time on my head.

But this is together by Rough Squad, R-U-F-F-F-S-Q-W-A-D squad. Squad, interesting. They even have, like, kind of old, funky spelling. Funky cold Medina. Funky Cold Medina, right behind funky cold, funky spelling as a, I don't know, ignore me. All right, all right, we'll look off to them. You're going to fucking turn this off, aren't you? I got so scared.

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