The Daily Zeitgeist - Myths About MLK’s Life And The YouTube Shooting 4.4.18

Episode Date: April 5, 2018

In episode 119, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Brodie Reed to discuss the history of QAnon and the misinformation spread about the Youtube shooter with Jared Holt of Right Wing Watch, Mueller letting Trump's people know they can relax cause he is not a 'criminal target,' the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King's assassination, the new documentary about him 'King In The Wilderness,' & more!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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For April 4th, 2018, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Jack O'Buttstuff. That one is courtesy of at super producer Anna Hosnier, every day in the office. Great working relationship. Yeah. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Oh, get down here. Theo.

Yes, it's your boy, Theo Cuxtable. It comes from Billy G on Instagram. Great character artist who, I'll show the picture that he sent to me earlier. But shout out to Billy G for that wild AK. Great caricature artist who, I'll show the picture that he sent to me earlier. But shout out to Billy G for that wild AK. Great caricature artist. Yeah, great caricature artist. I didn't know those existed.

Oh, yeah, look, look, that's me. Oh, look at that. Yeah. He captured my. Oh, that's pretty good. He's just a good movie. The dead artist. Is that you?

Yeah, that's me. And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious comedian Brody Reed. Whoa, whoa, whoa, that's right. It's me. It's back. I'm returning. There he is. It's me. It's back. I'm returning. There he is. It's me. It's back. I'm trying to match you guys' energy. You got it.

Brody, what's good, brody? Oh, hey guys. It's me. R33D, Brody Reed. Brody, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? I recently searched yesterday aggro crags. Oh, hell yeah. From Guts. I like that there's a plural there.

Multiple aggro crags. Yeah, I'm trying to see how many are out there existing in the world. I can get your hands on one? Yeah, I'm trying to get my hands on one. I really want an aggro crag trophy. I don't have any trophies, but I'm going to get a trophy case, and I'm going to put just the aggro crag in it. That would be a great idea. Millennial trophy case, that one, and i'm gonna put just the aggro crag in it that would be

great idea you know millennial trophy case that one and then something from like legend of the hidden temple yeah seriously like a like a little monkey or whatever yeah yeah blue bear kudos for life shout out to y'all okay i'm a crip okay i'm not a crip don't hit me up i feel like we maybe talked about this last time but i am an iron monkey i just want to put that oh wait no this is feeling familiar because i feel like yeah it's been a while since I've been able to stretch my Nickelodeon athletic game show competition wings with a guest. Word, word, word. But everyone knows the goat of Global Guts, when they went global with it, was Rami from

Israel, who had the perfect score on the Agro Crag. But the Agro Crag was a synthetic mountain that they had to climb up at the end of the show as sort of their final physical challenge. And it shot debris and I want to say ghost clouds trapped in the mountain. Yeah. There's all kinds of weird shit.

Brody, what is something that is underrated? I think something that is underrated is something that my mom gave me recently which is the kind of key ring thing that attaches to the back of your phone i was just oh yeah and i got one of those what's that called phone popper yeah mine's a little different mine looks like it's gonna pop a tab on a on an aluminum can and yours looks like or a pin on a grenade yeah seriously um it's stupid but it's great and you know it holds my phone like uh like

a tiny little movie screen yeah yeah it's very cool see i have uh just sort of uh inhumanely gigantic legs so whenever i put a phone in my pocket it's just like an outline of it and i feel like if i add another thing to the thickness of my phone i'll cut off circulation to my leg and i'll die i hear you i started putting my phone in the front pocket. Well, that's your privilege with your slender legs. What do you ever wear? It looks like a thumb ring. Yeah, I constantly am. It looks like a thumb ring, which is problematic.

Wearing my phone as a ring. But it almost looks like it's designed so you can, like, punch someone with your phone a little bit. Oh, okay. I don't suggest that. Yeah. You probably would break your finger, but I mean like- It is very cool. I'll attack people with anything, and they know that.

I don't need the key ring on my phone. That is the scouting report on you before you came in today. Yeah, when you look at the dossier. Keep in mind, Brody will attack people with anything. Improvised attacks. Thank you. people with anything. Improvised attacks. Thank you. Anyone with anything. But it does look like a phone case with a little pop tab on the back.

Yeah, you just glue it to the back. I am definitely going to buy one. Oh, you glue it to the back? Yeah. Oh, cool. Do you have to glue it? It's not temporary? It's like sticky.

Oh, God. Can I commit to that? I don't know. I don't know, guys. I don't know. Seems like a slippery slope. I think it can. Brody Reed, what is something I commit to that? I don't know. I don't know, guys. I don't know. Seems like a slippery slope. I think it can. Brody Reed, what is something that is overrated?

You guys talked about this fucking Roseanne reboot yet? Oh, no. What's that? Yes. I mean, like, briefly, yeah. Yeah, I feel like that's overrated. There's a lot of comedians in my timeline who most of them are just like, I'm not going to give a chance because I don't know if you guys know.

You guys know. She's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, we'll actually get into that a little bit. She's going to be our chance because I don't know if you guys know. You guys know. She's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, we'll actually get into that a little bit. She's going to be our first subject today. Oh, sick. Is it? Should I stop?

No, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. We will merely underline what you're saying. Yeah. I have a lot of people who are, not a lot of people, but I have enough people in my timeline who are just like, it's funny. You know, I'm not giving, you know, I'm not a MAGA because I'm giving it a chance. I'm like, aren't you?

Right. How many comedians of color have said, hey, zero is dope? Absolutely zero. That's why I think the audience is clear on that. I think if you are a person of color, it's a little more uncomfortable for you to just hop on board with something like that. Especially considering what this president stands for. on board with something like that. Considering what this president stands for. Yeah, I'm not given

both sides a chance when she has photo shoots where she dresses up as Hitler and puts gingerbread cookies in the oven. Yeah, burnt cookies pulling human forms out of an oven. Gingerbread cookies. And apparently the new episode that went up last

night and scored 15 million viewers mocked ABC's Black and Asian shows at one point. No, wait, for real? That's apparently one of the jokes. Man, you know what? We're going to have to watch it because I can't keep speculating that I'm going to hate it. I need to watch it so I can come back and full-throated be like,

this is bullshit. Yeah, seriously. This is according to Roger Friedman's showbiz 411 oh wow you know take it i'm still in 201 so i haven't well it's a little advanced for some of us yeah is the show because the other thing too i've been seeing from comedians there are some comedians who are kind of like also kind of throwing shade at the people who write on it and they're like oh what are you doing over there that's exactly what i would say i I get it. We're poor and we all need the money. But I mean, like if, who's a bad person?

I don't know if Louis C.K. was like, hey, do you want to write a thing for me? I'd be like, fuck you. Yeah, not good for my brand. I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, well, we'll see basically because, you know, Roseanne, granted, yes, the take that everyone has had is like, finally a show for white people. That's why it works. The real white people,

not the imaginary white people that we've been inundated with through the media, our entire lives. And it is great that white people finally have a voice. Yeah. That's my thing. Of course. And I'm glad. And I'm happy for y'all.

Cause look, we had black Panther and y'all have this new Roseanne reboot. So it's all good. It's all love. But I think it's important to like, also understand like the reason why a lot of people are put off is precisely where she is on the spectrum of sort of right wing thinking. Yeah.

And we will bring in an expert, Jared Holt of Right Wing Watch, who's an expert in all things crazy right wing, to really talk about some of her things amongst other things. But anyway. Yeah. One of her pet theories. Yes. Cool. Let's play the clip

uh brody what is something uh what's a myth what's something people um i don't want to flip the script on you guys i actually want your guys's help debunking something oh i've seen before this isn't so much a myth but like this is something that from like my childhood that I cannot explain. And I've like Googled it. And it's Berenstain Bears. Berenstain Bears. OK. Well, OK.

Well, that clears it. OK, great. So when I was like when I was like in elementary school, it doesn't matter when I was in elementary school. I went to this big elementary school that had like is big, wide open outside area. And one day, there was this one day, inexplicably,

there was like this like, I'm trying to explain it in a way that doesn't sound crazy. There was like this hole that opened up in the sky. There was this, like, you know how,

okay, you know how the, okay, so you know how like a regular sky, like the whole sky's blue, right? Yeah, yeah.

Okay, cool. I'm feeling you. There was like a, like an almost perfectly round black hole that had just like appeared in the sky one day and it wasn't like an object it was as if um the part of the atmosphere that like makes you see like blue the atmosphere as blue and everything it was just like that was like punctured or something and then we we just

saw like no we didn't see stars but we did see like blackness um and it was i think the hole was probably like the size of like a block um and it was like probably like a mile or two in the sky and we were like kids and like the whole school was just like what the hell is this it wasn't like in the news we like tried to like google is this? It wasn't like in the news. We like tried to like Google it years later. I think about it all the time. And you weren't just listening to Black Sabbath, Hole in the Sky? No, I didn't get into Black Sabbath years later when I was going to Hot Topic and stuff.

That's weird. I mean, even if I search, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know how to explain that. So this is something that has confounded you. It's confounded me. And I don't really believe. I believe in aliens, but I don't believe that they've traveled here or nothing. I don't believe in extraterrestrials necessarily.

Okay, that's a little arrogant. We're the only motherfuckers out here. I don't think we're the only motherfuckers out here. I just think that they're so far away that why would they even come here? And even if they did, they'd be dead by the time they got here. I don't think we're the only motherfuckers out here. I just think that they're so far away that why would they even come here? And even if they did, they'd be dead by the time they got here. Well, you act like an alien is like an Angeleno who lives on the west side and is thinking about visiting their friend at Highland Park.

Honestly, that's a great metaphor. They're like, bro, over to Highland Park? Nah. Seriously, I gotta drive an hour to get to Earth. Man, I mean... Yeah, let me just get high and watch some Naruto. Yeah, seriously. So if anyone has like any idea tweet at us tweet at me like i'm trying to solve this mystery and like 20 years and this was a group hallucination experienced by all the kids in your school yes i know i'm not crazy

because everyone saw this where did you go yeah where was this? I grew up in, so this was in like Ladera. Okay. I grew up in England. Los Angeles. Yes, Ladera, Los Angeles. You know, not super far from the airport. I don't know if that'll influence any decision. Like, I can't even think of what it would be, like a missile test or whatever.

Like, I cannot think of what it would be. You looked up in the sky and it was blackness. It was just like- What year was it? It was about like 2099, thousand okay yeah so around the time pre-911 jaw rule was really popping blackness in the sky could have been jaw rule and a hot it could have been it could have been nelly it could have been hot up there you know the weather change country grammar i really don't i really don't know um i know that when the big eclipse happened last year,

that was supposed to be something that we were going to see, is that when the sun was blotted out or whatever, we would suddenly see the sky, like the stars around the sun, and it would almost be like the sky was night sky. That didn't happen to us, least in los angeles i mean because we i think because that could have happened jack because we looked with no protection and we just looked up at it and we're like bro we can't see anything right yeah you can't ever see still can't all the stars are down here right thank you in hollywood holla back um so i don't know i don't

know man that's really interesting yeah so sorry i give you guys a myth to bunk. No, I like that. See, this is new. You're experimenting with the form. So, Zeitgang, I'm sure one of you out there is some kind of atmospheric science person. Yes, please. Because I see many of our Twitter followers have very impressive Twitter bios. So, come on. Somebody help us.

Please solve this mystery. All right. Well, yeah, I'm really excited to have you back on and find out what you learn from the Zeitgang. All right. Well, yeah, I'm really excited to have you back on and find out what you learn from the Zeitgang. All right. We're trying to take a sample of what people are thinking and talking about right now. And specifically, we want to talk about what Roseanne has been thinking and talking about over the past couple of days. And so we are bringing on Jared Holt from Right Wing Watch. He is an expert in all things right wing. And on an earlier episode this week, we were talking about this theory that Roseanne had been tweeting about QAnon, right? Who is apparently someone with Q-level secret clearance. Who shows up on Trump forums and Trump Reddit threads.

Right, and mostly 4chan is where this person started and claims to be deep state or know what's really going on in the government. And people have basically been using this idea of someone who knows everything to hinge all of their conspiracy theories on. I mean, suffice it to say that this is not even amongst the alt right this is not a popular theory this is a very very deep cut sort of conspiracy theory that these people have uh and it's it's something that you know roseanne repeatedly will like be like yo q anon dm me like let's get the truth out there so uh yes uh i think it's it's important now

for jared who's an expert, to at least walk us through this so we can understand a bit more sort of like the evolution of this theory. Is the left-wing equivalent or I guess the non-right-wing equivalent, like what are we talking like flat earth level or like believing in the smoking man? I mean, I think Jared would be best to answer that. I feel like flat earthers are non-partisan. Right. That's true. That's true. Actually, Jared, instead of us kind of rambling and trying to explain it, why don't you tell us about the QAnon theory?

First of all, thank you for joining us, Jared Holt. Hey, thanks for having me. So what is QAnon? What the hell is this whole thing? What the hell is this whole thing? QAnon is this conspiracy theory that's sort of bubbled up on the internet that proclaims that the investigation into potential Russian meddling with the 2016 election, that investigation is actually a cover. And Robert Mueller is working for President Trump to take down a humongous, satanic, pedophile cult that involves all kinds of politicians and technology industry leaders across the world. Right. I mean, I think we all assumed that just reading between the lines. Yeah, that's what this whole thing is about. So this is crazy because it's almost like addressing every fear, like a right wing person or anyone who's a Trump supporter to be like, oh, well, thank God for this. Like that almost relieves all their fears and that like actually this investigation is about Obama and Clinton and Satan and pedophiles.

Right. Not Trump possibly working in coordination with Russian intelligence. Right. So. Right. Right. possibly working in coordination with Russian intelligence. Right.

Right, right. It's this old conspiracy theory that's been around in America for decades, but now it is sort of being repurposed to dispel any fears that President Trump or people in his administration are going to get busted for meddling. What is the older form of this conspiracy theory yeah uh like q-don this whole phenomena is just sort of the evolution of uh this conspiracy theory that kind of started in the 80s after uh this child named johnny gauche disappeared and as the investigation went on uh this child's mother began claiming that he had been abducted by a pedophile ring and like eventually even testified about this before the Senate. And then that grew like super huge and got national attention because some other guy came forward and said that he had been abducted into the same sex ring and he actually helped kidnap little Johnny. And they accused all these like prominent figures in Nebraska,

including like top level US politicians of operating this child prostitution ring. And conspiracy theorists in the nation went crazy for it at that time. Eventually, the people who made those claims were indicted on perjury charges, but regardless, that happened 30 years ago, and something else that was also happening in the country at the same time was what became known as the Satanic Panic. There was this increased sort of bubbling up of occultism. You had the Manson murders that was tied to occultism.

And at the same time, Christian fundamentalism was booming, which puts forward this idea that there are literal angels and literal demons like crawling the earth. Or flying around the earth. I mean, they're not all crawling. My grandma says I'm an angel. I'm 30, so that checks out. Hovering, hosting podcasts.

Right, exactly. To be clear, this is a demonic podcast. Yeah, but this is actually, the whole 80s thing is a fascinating example of sort of false memories and something that we've discovered in the past 30 years that the human memory is just incredibly malleable. And there's been all these experiments that prove that, you know, eyewitness testimony, for instance, is completely unreliable. You know, the Innocence Project proved that with, you know, exonerating all these people who are convicted because of eyewitness testimony based on DNA evidence. So it proves that like humans are really bad at remembering stuff. And these satanic panic stories also proved that

you could actually make people believe these elaborate stories about like getting you know sacrificed and being part of some crazy ritual just by you know either hypnotizing them or just like you know suggesting to them that those things happen to them right yeah it's it's like these uh the whole like satanic panic conspiracy theories and the like global elites being involved in a pedophile ring conspiracy theories just like both of those embody a part of american culture that like still to this day is sort of the i like when we think of like some of the most evil shit you could ever do it's like be a pedophile or like kill people and worship satan so it's kind of natural that these kind of merged into one bigger idea. And speaking to the false memories thing, the Department of Justice in 1992 actually came out and tried to shut the book on this and be like, they are not satanic sex cults.

Yeah, okay, deep state. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. And it sort of died down for about a decade and then the internet happened and then the people that grew up like believing this stuff and following this conspiracy theory got a high-speed internet connection and now it's back now it's back on the internet right and but so this you were telling me earlier that like, this is not a very mainstream conspiracy theory. Like this is like one of the more out there ones that has like, you know, the traditional

alt-right figures are even like, this is too crazy for them. What do you think the reasons for the people who are really sort of into this theory, like what it is that they're, like, what are their hopes attached to this? Is that just to sort of feel like that they're they support a president that is completely above board and it's actually satan who's the evil tour well i i mean part of this like the modern rebirth of the whole q anon thing sort of came out of pizzagate which was like this conspiracy theory was weaponized to try to damage the clinton campaign right like put make john John Podesta and Hillary Clinton and everyone in that circle out to be satanic pedophiles that no one should ever vote for. And then, I think a lot of people will remember how Pizzagate ended with that guy going into the restaurant they kept naming and firing off a few shots and

like solving the problem for all of us right yeah saving them scaring those kids back underground that guy got banned from ever eating pizza again that sucks yeah the worst punishment of all yeah yeah yeah and it's like uh you know like that was part of it. And it sort of like subdued for a little bit. And then it came back. And I think like ultimately these conspiracy theories, like it's not about the theory. If these people were like really concerned about sex abuse and stuff, there's tons of stuff they could do on the local level but i think sort of subconsciously um this serves to give some sort of explanation as to like wash away some part of reality that they don't want to adhere to right like the fact that our current presidential administration is under investigation for

maybe uh like bucking around on this election. Yeah. By the deep state. And so what do you think in terms of like Roseanne being like, you know, trying to be like, yo, Q, DM me, bro. Like with the fucking with the real shit. What does that say about, I think, her in terms of where she is on the spectrum in terms of like, sure, I think a lot of people are being like, well, it's fine if, you know, she supports Trump and her show is about trying to sort of you know uh paint people who support donald trump in a more realistic sense but it seems like

the fact that she's on board with this shit it puts her sort of in a completely different category yeah no i mean this the q anon shit is like way way out there like i it is it exists like only in like the darkest weirdest corners of the, and you kind of have to actively seek it out. So Roseanne Barr, I guess she got turned on to this at some point, but now she has a national megaphone because her her tv show got rebooted and she's using that to like pump this crazy weird friendship into the mainstream and apparently like trump called her to congratulate ratings and then she did that tweet about how he's like busting all the pedophile rings and stuff and like going back to look at pizzagate like i feel like that sort of exemplifies why this is dangerous. Because these ideas, like, they're bizarre and fringe and have, like, the most despicable consequences to them. who's maybe like more vulnerable or is is troubled in some way when that gets

validated from on up high it's like a formula for disaster and she's sort of like by using her status as a like mainstream public figure at this point it's just setting this whole thing up for disaster, I'm afraid. Right, because she's normalizing a very sort of disturbed way of thinking. Right. All right. We're going to continue this conversation with reference to the coverage of yesterday's YouTube shooter. But first, we're going to take a quick break.

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And so yesterday there was a active shooter on the YouTube campus in Northern California. it was one of those situations where as the story was developing we were getting updates on twitter about you know facts that people on the ground knew that turned out to be completely false uh that it was like a love triangle thing i think that was started by cnn's expert on uh something and uh like the front page of drudge report is covering this to make it seem like the shooter, which was a woman for once, was this like, when I heard about the active shooter,

I was like, Oh my God, like who is it? And it's like, it's a woman. I was like, Oh, so she has got a reason.

I was like instantly relieved. Right. But so the way the right is responding to the shooter is uh you know on the front page of drudge you see it covered as both uh you know portraying her as this like freaky deaky leftist who was into weird sexual stuff. And PETA, like the quote on the front page of Drudge is, wants you to be sex slaves, which she actually like advocates for abstinence. So I don't see how that is. Well, they took, I think, something out of context.

She's like, the system wants you to be sex slaves or something like that. And they just put wants you to be sex slaves. Right, to make it seem like she was into some weird leftist sexual thing. But no, she was actually pro-abstinence. But basically, her motives, it seems like, were actually based on YouTube. She thought that YouTube was demonetizing and hiding her channel from her audience

and wasn't giving her good enough placement in search results, essentially, which is a complaint that you hear people- From a lot of YouTubers. Yeah, from a lot of YouTube users. And incredibly, when you go to the Drudge Report, one of the top headlines basically agrees with her. It's like oppressive YouTube censorship policies spill over to violence. So they're actually blaming YouTube policies for the shooter rather than being like,

well, she was clearly disturbed. So Jared, you were talking about, you wrote an article kind of covering the way this was covered on the right because there was just a lot of misinformation throughout the day right yeah and there's a lot of stuff just made up like that whole PETA like animal rights activist thing like I was kind of surprised uh my girlfriend is vegan and I had no idea she was like a radical leftist right right until I saw the right wing

coverage well the one interesting thing is like even with the drudge like you're saying how they're talking about they bring up the censorship angle right and it seems like even when I was reading the post you wrote today Jared about it like how they're sort of taking the censorship tack with this too and they're being like see what happens when you censor people like they break and they start attacking and like they're using like the hashtag censorship kills the sort of way to spin it like is that a pretty popular tack that people have been taking with this i i mean it's it's kind of weird like some people um in right-wing media have really sort of stepped away from going on that angle but a lot of them uh are really going into it that

you know really trying to prop up uh the fact that the shooter had uploaded uh videos on her channel being like super critical of youtube's demonetization and like uh essentially like de-prioritization of videos uh that had any sort of controversial topic, which has been like a huge thing in conservative media for the last few months. But that was kind of weird to me because, you know, the Alex Joneses of the world have spent the last, especially couple months really ramping up the rhetoric for that. Being like, oh, if we're censored, this is life or fucking death or something.

You know, and like claiming that tech companies want to like murder Christians and stuff. It's crazy. Yeah, you would think they would just like bolt running away. Yeah, from that storyline,

but they're actually being like, yeah, this is what happens. That top story on Drudge Report links through to a PJ Media story where they talk about how she was motivated by censorship of her YouTube channel and then talk about a Trump supporting woman whose channel was like hidden, they say. And just, yeah, connecting themselves to the complaints of a shooter, like rather than being like, wow, this has gotten way out of hand. They're just like kind of on board with it. Yeah. And I think it's because like a lot of alternative media types, like the type of content creators that like will never be on fox news or never be you know talking to rush limbaugh all they have is a youtube channel the thought of like getting demonetized on youtube is so it's their livelihood yeah and uh i think what we're seeing is them

getting incredibly desperate because it takes a lot of mental gymnastics as at least like from my perspective to align yourself with a shooter and sort of you know issue this sort of dark i don't want to say warning but you know what i mean where it's like well they're just insisting that insisting like this is what you get when you try to do this right i mean my own youtube videos have um you know dozens of hits and um you know i don't have many subscribers but uh it it makes me it makes me have a murderous uh blood lust right and that's totally justified yeah totally yeah i mean your art is your life and they're trying to take away your life and therefore uh no but one thing that I actually agree with on the organization. By the way, when I say Drudge has this, Drudge just organizes different stories and then rewrites the headlines for them.

So I'm not saying Drudge is writing these things. He's organizing the stories. But he has underneath like the top story claiming, you know, this is YouTube's doing and they had it coming. claiming, you know, this is YouTube's doing and they had it coming. He has a story about how basically the two sides in America are more polarized than they've ever been. This is a claim by a physicist, which is something you hear a lot. But this physicist points out that we're consuming more news than we've ever consumed before. And we're getting more and more polarized. Like even now we're getting more polarized than we've ever consumed before. And we're getting more and more polarized. Like even now, we're getting more polarized than we were even like a couple months ago. And I think that really

seems to be, I don't know, it seems like we've turned a corner. Like we were talking about the QAnon thing being fringe, but there was just a study that I talked about earlier this week where people ingested all of Twitter from 2006 to 2016 and looked at which stories traveled the most. And the stories that were lies traveled the best because they were wish fulfillment to people who wanted their beliefs confirmed. And I just think that as we get more polarized, the more we need fake stories to be true to confirm our beliefs. And so there's going to be this economy of fake news stories that just kind of bubbles up because that's what the sort of landscape demands. All right, Jared, is there anything else that you wanted to tell us about? Is there anything else that you wanted to tell us about? Yeah.

I mean, in regard to the shooting at YouTube HQ, we were talking earlier about the QAnon conspiracy theories. And the thing about the QAnon conspiracy theories, it's like it always finds a way to web itself into whatever news story is happening that day. And this woman named Liz Crokin, she's one of the people who makes the YouTube circuit being a so-called investigator of satanic pedophile ring. She suggested that the shooting on YouTube

was some sort of QAnon MKUltra tie-in. Oh, my God. Cool. Yeah. Because conspiracy theory is so malleable, you can map it onto anything. So QAnon is not like a person. It's like a moniker or something. Yeah, it's basically this guy came out and said, I am QAnon.

It's like a Banksy. Yeah, he has a security level clearance queue, and he's anonymous, and he is this source who's like telling people all this information. Yeah, and there's actually been some debate in the QAnon camp. It's starting to split because there's like one faction of QAnon researchers that think that Q originally like was legit and was a member of the, you know, the Trump administration. But it's since been compromised by the deep state to be one big psyop so holy shit oh so then that like q anon is actually a game q anon is deep state hell yeah it's like some ready player one bullshit

all right well thank you so much jared holt for joining us can you tell people uh where to check you out and to see some of your work and the work that you do that we enjoy so much? Yeah, yeah. You can always read my stuff on rightwingwatch.org. You've got Twitter and all that good stuff. I'm on Twitter

at Jared L. Holt. Yeah. And check out Jared. He does great retweets when people be trying to troll him. Hashtag soy boy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I just want to say Trump is Snape. Oh, yeah. Oh, you heard that. Yeah. Trump is Snape. We already knew. We already knew. Dang, Jared, you're cool. You might be the coolest Jared I know. Nah, that's gotta be Fogel. All right, man. Thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, take care.

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The news is over. Mueller says Trump is not a criminal target of the probe. But apparently this doesn't really mean anything because he's still saying he's a subject of the probe, but apparently this doesn't really mean anything because he's still saying he's a subject of the probe. So he's still a person of interest. And this might just be a ploy to get him to actually submit to an interview. Yeah. Well, because the difference is a target, I guess, according to like DOJ guidelines

is someone that they have evidence that draws a clear connection to a criminal act, whereas a subject is someone that is acting real shady and they believe they need to be looked into still. So this is not good news for him either way. I immediately went to right wing media to be like, OK, so everybody's going to be freaking out about this and being like, aha, see, we knew it. He's the only subject. Because I think they knew that if they did that trump would agree to the interview right exactly and apparently in the reporting the washington post they were saying that he's really feeling good about the fact that he's not a target and being like oh i should talk to you know muller to just dead this because i'm innocent but this man has been gaslit by his

own whiteness that he thinks you can still go into a legal uh like interview and just be like nah good bad level just lie and shit, and you wouldn't be caught in some kind of obstruction of justice or whatever. But I think the thing to underline is that you can go from subject to Putin's fuck doll in the span of one sentence very quickly. So despite wherever he is in terms of what he's categorized as, it's still not a good thing. So we'll see.

Trump responded that he is great at subjects. He's great at history, social studies, all the subjects. It's like social studies is kind of history, my man. Yeah, all of it. Great. Math, arithmetic. Math, gold. Math, gold.

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Okay. Miles has nailed it the past couple weeks with Wild Wild Country and... Going back to where you came from. Yeah, people keep asking you what that was called. Yeah, everybody on Twitter. How can you forget that was called. Yeah, everybody on Twitter. How can you forget that? Yo, also, people on Twitter, when I go, Footnotes?

That's not for fun, bro. We actually diligently have to put these links together, and Anna puts them all on the nice website so y'all can answer your own questions. And I'm starting to act like I don't really listen. People are using us as Google. They're just like, hey, man, what was that thing? I'm like, okay. If're just like, hey, man, what was that thing?

If you just searched Australian show about racism, you would find it. I mean, you'd find a lot of stuff. Actually, yeah, we could go down a rabbit hole now. Not accidentally racist Australian show. All right, so Jack, you guys, so you're putting us on the game. So I watched King in the Wilderness last night, which is this HBO documentary about the last couple of years of- LeBron James at the Cavaliers? Right. Of Martin Luther King Jr.'s life.

Oh. And it sort of debunks, you know, I think the version of Martin Luther King Jr. that people get is just the, you know, freedom march. And I have a dream like white people, black people coming together and peacefulness. And that's it. And so he had actually in the last couple of years of his life had shifted his focus to first of all, going north to Chicago and other northern cities where, you know, he and his team thought racism was actually worse. It was just kind of more hidden in the north.

And they went to Chicago and sure enough faced way more backlash from racist white people. There were straight up people with Nazi signs coming out to meet them, whereas the stuff you see in the south was the police and like the government officials who are out there there were 10 000 racist white people out in chicago just like basically throwing shit at them like setting off bombs and shit uh so that was just crazy as fuck and they left chicago basically being like man the north is basically hopeless uh but i i think it's easy to just be like, yeah, the South is stupid. So they get to be the villain of the whole Martin Luther King Jr. story.

And Chicago actually treated him worse than the South. It's pretty fucking crazy. Well, it goes back to that thing even we were talking about yesterday with redlining of like as a lot of blacks moved from the South into the North to get jobs, like the cities themselves did become more diverse, but the segregation was actually much deeper than even was in the South. And more secretive and more effective. Yeah. Or I guess overt in the sense that they're like,

yo, don't get black people loans or keep them out of these neighborhoods. So the March that I'm talking about where tens of thousands of racist white people came out and threw rocks at he and his team, they were marching to a real estate office because they were protesting the practice of basically redlining and segregating people and only giving nice homes and nice neighborhoods to white people and there's specifically a part where he basically summarizes what we were talking about yesterday like a white family will go in and they'll give them access to you know this

neighborhood then a black family will come in they'll be like no we don't have anything sorry like that well we it's history has been sanitized quite effectively right and that was a major focus in his final years and that whole thing gets cut out of the whole storyline. was that, yes, there was the Poor People's Campaign, where he was really just talking some dangerous shit because before it was like, yo, people of color, we need an equitable situation in this country. Yes. Exactly.

We got there. Then he was like, all right, we need to bring up the people all over. Like, all poor people need to get together. So, I mean, if you just think about, like, this was in May of 67 as he was beginning this Poor People's Campaign, saying that, quote, I think it Poor People's Campaign, saying that, quote, I think it is necessary for us to realize that we have moved from the era of civil rights to the era of human rights. When we see that there must be a radical redistribution of economic and

political power, then we see that for the last 12 years, we have been in a reform movement, that after Selma and the voting rights bill, we've moved to a new era, which must be an era of revolution. In short, we have moved into an era where we are called upon to raise certain basic questions about the whole society. So this was very dangerous because before it was easy to be like,

okay, you're just trying to appeal to people of color who are being oppressed. Now he's getting the focus of like, hold on, you're talking about wealth and political power redistribution? Yeah, it's like when a comedian does like a dramatic film. He's just like, wait, what are you doing?

Right. No, that's exactly right. People like the whole country turned against him. Yeah. The whole country turned against him. His approval rating was like in the 30s when he died. Right. And that's when a lot of civil rights leaders were getting off is when the turn went to

how do we bring everybody into this conversation? Right. how do we bring everybody into this conversation? Right, so both him and Robert Kennedy were killed right at the same time. They had just announced that they were both going to tackle the problem of poverty. And there's a specific scene in the movie where Martin Luther King Jr. is talking

to people he works with. And they're like, so wait, we're gonna bring in the Native Americans? And he's like, are they poor? And they're like, yes. He's like, the Chicanos? He's like, are they poor? Yes. The white people? He's like, are they poor? Yep. And so that is a lot of theories on why racism has been so emphatically and consistently promoted by powerful institutions in American history is that it separates and disorganizes different types of poor people and makes it so that they hate each other instead of uniting and rising up against the very tiny percentage of rich and powerful

people who have all the power and all the money. And the idea of all those people coming together is the real threat. And I've always found both of their assassinations to be the ones that stand out as being the most suspicious and the least sort of investigated. Like RFK's assassination is so weird. Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination is so weird, even though like the guy that everybody just says, oh, he did it. None of the people in Martin Luther King Jr.'s family believe he did it. They all like say, no, he definitely didn't do it. It was part of a larger thing.

The whole thing is just fucking. Well, yeah, but I think it just, again, underlines it. underlines it one thing you cannot debate is as people's rhetoric became towards uniting all people and not just people of their ethnic group or social group of being like hold on we are all being disenfranchised we are all fucking suffering under the system that's when they're like oh hold on hold on how the fuck don't organize these people like that and i think that's very something to really consider is that you know we are really truly in this all together and god there's nothing scarier to the powers that be than united people right i've said this many times before on many different podcasts but i don't think our country is going to get better

until we all band together and start killing rich people taking them out in the streets running their blood yeah i will drink their blood and whatnot you know top one percent of the one percent just just get rid of them and see what happens I think our system is changing in general clearly because this shit is not working yeah I highly recommend watching this probably today

if you can because it is the anniversary of his death and it's pretty poignant to watch it around this time but there's this one scene in this documentary where he talks about when poor people get support from the government, it's called welfare and like handouts, but when rich people get it, it's in the form of the government maintaining beautiful roads and building beautiful communities and subsidizing their way of life and giving tax breaks to their

business. And it was like, he could be describing the modern world and like it could have been something that like you said on the podcast like two days ago it was like yeah that is exactly right but the only thing that seems outdated from the documentary is like these very specific things like they use the term colored people instead of people of color so it's like the stuff that we have. If that throws you for a loop, then I don't know what to tell you. It's like the stuff that we've been focusing on are like these very specific like wording arrangements and stuff instead.

And that's what's been updated. And that's what seems outdated. Whereas the stuff that like just seems like it hasn't been touched at all is the, you know the Northern racism and the way that the poor are kept out of power. So yeah, I highly, highly recommend. And that's gonna do it for today's episode, Brody.

This has been a lot of fun, man. Cool, thanks for having me, you guys. I learned a lot. By the way, have you guys seen any of these like pictures that she used to post on twitter where she had this like fake baby doll and she was like sort of like raising it it was like this like weird kind of like um oh my she was like post pictures of it like out with it and like pretend it was like a real thing i feel like it's been scrubbed from the internet um little bit, or at least from her Twitter.

But it's worth some diving into. That's very strange. She's a weird lady. I just want to point that out. I've seen people at the grocery store with the fake baby. And that's a little off-putting. But hey, look, do what you gotta do. Do what you gotta do. Also, some other known MLK

Jr. facts that people won't tell you. He was super into anime and he loved hiking. Yeah, he did. Is that true? No, none of those are true. The Roseanne thing is true. Check out that baby doll thing. Real dolls are super

wild creepy. I'm going to get one just to practice being a parent. Do you think that's good, Jack? I think they're made specifically for people who lose babies. And it's just the creepiest, most tragic thing. I don't want to explore the psychology of someone who's holding. So let's not. I would rather pretend that it's a young person who's trying to audition having a child.

Like back in the day when we used to carry around flower sacks. Right. Am I right? Am I right, Saved by the Bell watchers? Did you have to do that in your life? When I was in high school, the seniors had to do it, but by the time I was a senior, they were like, dude, they're fucking you.

Right. The bag of flour ain't going to change. All right. Brody, where can people find you online? You can follow me on Twitter at Aobrobro, and you can go to my website, brodyreed.com, backslash videos. Got some short films coming out this month,

I hope. And yeah, that's where I'm at. Brodie, R-E-E-D. Uh-huh. B-R-O-D-I-E. Uh-huh.

R-E-E-D. Miles, where can people find you? You can find me in St. Louis rolling on dubs. Thanks. Shout out to the dude on Twitter who just gave me that idea just now. Where am I at? Fuck.

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We link off to the information in today's episode. That's going to do it for today. Miles, you've been playing some cool music around the office. What are we going to ride out on today? Oh, man, let's just keep things calm, you know, because we're a little fired up. So let's just play this track called Calmer by Zoop Woman. Dope track, a little instrumental track.

Just got, like, you know, just soothing vibes. Soothing vibes vibes soothing vibes soothe yourself it's hump day uh we still got a few more days left so just soothe yourself and be kind to each other and please you know in the memory of dr king please just fucking spread love spread positivity if you have a chance to do that do that it doesn't have to be as overt as you might see like some hallmark commercial but just try and contribute to an atmosphere of positivity at the very least and that's going to do it for today we will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast talk to you guys Nettopp Kjell Kjell Kanskje vi kan ta en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en kveld med en k សូវាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប� Kanskje vi kan ta utsikt på det. Thank you. The The The The The The

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