The Daily Zeitgeist - Naming Names And Suing States: Unf#@%ing The Future 04.16.24

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

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get your podcast presented by capital one founding partner of iheart women's sports hello the internet and welcome to season 334 episode 2 of your daily production of our radio is that one of the three stooges back there it was all three of them actually oh wow we got all three yeah good it's great to have them here uh this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into american shared consciousness and it is tuesday april 16th 2024 my name is jack o'brien aka i'm a champ i'm a human why not both that's not proven i'm a simian and man, I do not understand. What the hell?

I must scream. I'm trapped somewhere between. Oh, God, I'd really like it any other way. That is courtesy of Case Aiken about my, you know, the story we did last week that I guess it was courtesy of Chris Crofton brought us the tale of the humanzee. And I just thought, what better day for me to sing a song about the most anti-scientific story we've covered in recent memory than on one of our expert episodes when we have an actual scientist with us. Well, they're endangered. There would be humanzies everywhere if there wasn't for climate change. Their natural habitat has been completely degraded. And we will talk about that.

He doesn't know, but that's going to be the majority of the episode. It's just how does this affect humanzies? Thrilled to be joined in the second seat today by the co-host with the mo-host, a brilliant comedian, writer, actor, the hilarious, the chaotic, the riding a recumbent bike in short shorts, Blake Wexler! Hey, this is Blake Wexler, a.k.a. When Zeitgeist gets that feeling, it wants Wexual healing. Wexual healing wexual healing oh jack what makes you guys feel so fine you just got wexually assaulted jack i don't know this is what just happened thanks for having me

uh yeah thank you for that wexual healing yeah oh it was based off of marvin gay's sexual healing yeah oh it was off of marvin gay's sexual healing oh got it got it got it okay now now it's clear to me yeah like it's what what with an intro this dumb it's really like we need to bring in our expert guest as soon as possible because otherwise i might shrivel up and blow away in a cloud of dust we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by an academic and industry leader in fighting climate change. He's currently director of the UNSW Earth and Sustainability Science Research Center and director of the UNSW Kronos 14 Carbon Cycle Facility. But much more impressively, he's also a podcast host. His show is called unfucking the future he is called chris turning

i'm really i'm not gonna sing no one needs to hear that so i'm gonna let it just rest i mean yeah you have people who do that for you on your show unf Unfucking the Future, we were saying has some of the most catchy little interludes. We're unfucking the future. Blake, I thought you were going to join me and harmonize with me. I was just, sometimes you're in awe of what you're watching, you know what I mean?

You just want to sit back and enjoy it yourself. Life's hard enough. Let me take some of these treats. Yes. I was also telling you guys before we started that I played that, your podcast and like the word, the word fuck multiple times for my eight year old by accident yesterday, as I was kind of listening through, getting ready to talk to you. And it was also the day that he happened to let me know that he knew the word fuck for the first time we were doing we were doing a crossword puzzle and the clue was like

what the blank and like softened version of some softened version would be heck and he was like so is that he he's sitting in the back seat i'm driving and we do crossword puzzles together. He's like, would it be fuck? Do you think it's fuck, dad? I was like, you're turning eight in a couple of weeks. Like, why do you? But it's like, it's cute because he didn't even think it was like a bad thing to ask. He was like that. They talk about that sometimes at school. Fuck.

Is it maybe fuck? So he didn't realize it was bad. Yeah, I know. I know. In Australia, where I'm calling from. Right. It's one of the first words. Yeah. It's the biggest complaint I've got. It's not the language on the show. It's that earworm.

Yes. It really is catchy as hell. How is tomorrow, by the way? We haven't... Tomorrow, I'm calling you from Sydney. Yeah, it's just before 5 o'clock in the morning, Tuesday. And it's looking pretty good. We're still here. That's a good start. Hell yeah. I can't wait. Can't wait? It is like 4 a.m. for you. So thank you so much for

joining us at such an odd time. We really appreciate it. I never sleep, honestly. No. No need. It's scary. It's all good. It's all good. And Chris, you could probably already feel the jockeying. So I'm just going to put it right out there. When we announced, uh, when we told Blake, we were going to have an expert guest on, he said, I'm going to take the lead on this one and has just been sending me passive aggressive text messages all morning saying, stay out of my way.

So just so you know, there's going to be some jockeys happening. Yeah, yeah. So what's Australia like? These are my hard-hitting questions. What's going on down there? Australia, what's that? Yeah, what's that like? That's probably one of the most insightful questions I've ever had.

Thank you so much. Can you hear that, Jack? That's why you of the most insightful questions I've ever had. Thank you so much. Can you hear that, Jack? That's why you should shut up, Jack, and I should talk. Your potty-mouthed child is fucking the future. That's what's happening. That's what this podcast should be called. Oh, my God. He's such a polluter.

He is. He drives a Hummer to school every day. It's such a wonderful story. I feel my work here is done, actually. There you go. All right. Chris, we are going to talk about your area of expertise, unfucking the future, climate change,

how we talk about it, how we make sense of the world in a world that is rapidly heating and escalating towards climate disaster and not doing a great job always tangling with that, coming to grips with that. But before we get into that stuff, we do like to get to know our expert guests a little bit better

and ask you, what is something from your search history? I'm a big fan of a TV show show What We Do in the Shadows. Yeah, the Jemaine Clement one. Yeah, the four dysfunctional vampires bumbling through Staten Island. Well, I'm a complete fan. I've indoctrinated the kids. And the sixth series has

just been announced. But sadly, also the last season. But it's coming. I can't wait to see it. Matt Berry just has me in stitches all the time that very is dark you and her just brilliant very very funny very wrong very wrong that was the first matt berry like that was my first matt berry i didn't get into all the other like british shows that everyone talks about him being incredible and and you know i refuse i'm like if it's good enough they'll make an american version guy no that's not true but i just had missed him up to this point and well jack i was just thinking

about your son you know i mean i think he's advancing quite a lot he should watch it you know i mean think about that and also has an english accent for some reason weirdly yeah right that's very strange talks exactly like matt barry i love that show it's such a good show like matt matt barry is one of those people where when he pops up on screen or equally you just hear his voice you immediately light up because you know oh this person's automatic he's gonna be so funny like yeah we were i just watched a fallout that show oh he's in that isn't he yeah it's like a robot cameo it's just fantastic but he's a very dark Mad, isn't he? He's in that? Is that his voice? Is that his voice? Is that his voice? It's like a robot cameo role.

It's just fantastic. But he's a very dark character again, but you just start smiling. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, incredible. What is something you think is underrated? Oh, look, underrated? I think he's actually eating plant-based foods,

would you believe it? We're going to talk about climate change. And that's something I just think is mind-blowing on how it can have a really positive effect on the climate crisis. And it's something that I think most of us just first grown up with traditional meat diets, actually eating mostly plant-based food. Maggie Baird, who's on the show, we'll talk about that a little bit later, has just been a big advocate for years. And it makes a big difference. It makes a huge difference. So yeah, if people are looking for one solution,

that's probably the one. That's the one? That's probably the one. If you're going to do anything, that's probably the one. Well, I'm going to cross that question off my list. You've answered that. When you say plant-based yeah you can't say that you can't say veganism yeah so plant-based is like is like a wedge salad with

bacon sprinkled on it before i tuck into my steak right that's like there's a plant in there and then like there's a little parsley on top of my steak uh i don't know why that's just like turned into man cal oh you've seen you're halfway there right yeah just a hunk of blue cheese right with the mold is technically a plant the dumbest person in the world of that what do you think is the biggest barrier to entry for a plant-based diet would you say is it because it's not really availability anymore. Is it just... No, no. I think actually for a lot of us, especially in the West, it's just pretty standard.

You go out for meals and it's expected you have a meat dish, you know, or you go out for dinner with people and people kind of expect it. So I think that's probably one of the biggest things. It's just acceptance. I don't think the word vegan... I mean, it's like a lot of these things, right? You get people who have got really extreme views on both ends of the spectrum.

And sometimes very hard line plant eaters can get quite hard line. And that's tough as well. You know, you're living a pure life or nothing at all. And that's tough for a lot of people to sort of move into. So just ignore those. Just do what you can do. Yeah.

I will say that I've had more and more tofu as I've gotten older and more conscious of the importance of eating a plant based diet. And the things that good chefs and, you know, people who've been eating tofu for a while do with tofu is such an insult to or is so good compared to like what what i was eating before when it was just like hunks of like kind of half cooked tofu it was like i'm like what was the energy industry like was the fossil fuel industry paying people to just make the worst tasting tofu in the world when I was growing up? Because it was like, so they like weren't trying at all. They're just like, no, no, no.

I mean, I grew up in Britain in the 80s and salads were just like this miserable. It's like an iceberg lettuce and some shredded carrot. I mean, honestly, it was like rationing was still going on. And now you can have these amazing meals. My poor, my nan, bless her, when she was still alive, we had this aunt who was a vegetarian. And apparently in the 60s, all they could make for her was stuffed tomatoes. That was it.

Whenever they came around, I had no idea what to give her. Let's just give her a stuffed tomato. Stuffed was stuffed tomatoes. That was it. Whenever it came out, I had no idea what to give it. Let's just give her a stuffed tomato. Yeah. So I think we moved on quite a lot. Stuffed with other tomatoes. Maybe some carrot. Yeah. Yeah.

So anyway, I think, yeah, big, big, big, big difference. Big difference. Huge improvement. And even if like go low meat, you can still eat meat if you need to, but go low. You know, don't eat everything. The, the things that Korean stews do with tofu, it's one of the most delicious.

That's Korean people named Stewart? Yeah, Korean stews, yes. Any Korean named stew, you can just reach out and they'll hook it up for you. No, Blake. Come on. Come on, man. This is an expert episode I told you ahead. Expert episode. Get your. Huh? Come on, man. This is a serious, this is an expert episode. I told you

ahead expert episode, get your head out of the Stuart puns. It is. I've, I've heard of it. I'm just going to breeze past that. Cause I don't take your comments seriously, but I, uh, there, I have heard it put in a good way of people who've had, like, it sounds funny, almost like it's an abstract thought, success converting to veganism or eating like a plant based diet is using things as just sauce like delivery devices almost where sauce is generally the best part of a meal or that's where you're often getting the most taste out of where it's a very small difference between a piece of chicken unsauced, unseasoned versus, you know, like a tofu or a plant based item. So I think it's a very small difference between a piece of chicken, unsauced, unseasoned versus, you know, like a tofu or a plant-based item. So I think it's less difficult than it seems to a lot of people.

I've never heard that, but that sounds fantastic. Thank you. Yeah, it's true. It's true. It's all yours. That thing I stole from someone else, you can have it. No, no, no. I mean, that's creativity, right?

Yes, it is. Chris, what's something you think is overrated? Overrated. Oh, overrated. Oh, gosh. In the climate space, I think denial. Denial is massive. It's not going to help us.

So I think that's a big issue. Oh, man, this fucks up my entire line of questions. Shit. It's amazing, right? We've known about this for a line of questions. Shit. It's amazing, right? We've known about this for a couple of centuries, and yet you still get people up there with the flat earthers and the fake moon landings, and they're getting more vocal again,

which is weird, which is very weird. But I'm sure we'll talk about that a little bit later. Yeah. It's not going to help us. It almost feels like, like there's this point in your show where you play this Maggie Thatcher, I call her Marge Thatcher. No, you play this Margaret Thatcher speech

where she is talking about how we need to take care of the world and kind of modern-ish messaging around climate change and what it is to be a responsible citizen of earth which is not in line you know i would have assumed that she would have been you know drill baby drill type you know it's not very iron of her right yes but then you point out first of all there's been more carbon pumped into the atmosphere since she gave that speech than in all of history before.

But it kind of made me wonder, like, were we more progressive on climate change before, like at the very start? Because once once we realized once people started to realize what was actually happening, the big money started pushing back. Like, have we actually lost ground since the beginning? Or, like, in terms of just the national mindshare, it was just so wild for me to hear Margaret Thatcher, like, give a speech where she was just like, yeah, I mean, global warming is real. And then 15 years later, the U.S. president is changing the word to be less alarming. Yeah, I know. It's amazing. I mean, that was when I was growing up, when I was a teenager. Yeah.

Martin Thatcher was prime minister. And it was just this amazing time. You had this thing called the Brundtland Report from the U.N., United Nations, talking about major problems on the planet. You had these big summits, discovery of the ozone hole, and then you have Margaret Thatcher coming out saying, we've got a serious problem. And she was so far ahead of the curve. And a poster child of the right wing, right?

And here's someone saying, actually... Yeah, she was like the Reagan of the UK. Yeah. But I think also recognition that there's going to be no economy, no life, but we know it if we carry on this way. So ultimately, it's self-defeating. So yeah, she was well ahead of her time. And it's always surprising when people didn't realize that. And it was a massive difference. So it felt like this massive wave. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. And then, as you say, money came in.

Big money came in. And there's this rearguard action. I wouldn't say we've gone backwards. I think most, I think publicly, we're far beyond that. But all the technology now and actually the solutions. Yeah. It's light years away. I mean, we've got the solutions now.

We've just got to just get on with doing it now. And just get light years away. I mean, we've got the solutions now. We've just got to get on with doing it now. And just get around the money. Like the wealth we've got. That's one of the big challenges. And yeah, we'll chat about that. But how do you incentivize it? How do you make it real happen? But listeners, it's up to us.

It's up to you. You're the consumer. We're the people. So we're going to make a difference. And we can do. Yeah. Now, I don't like the sound of that. That sounds hard.

So I'm going to put it in the easiest way. Sorry, I'm doing things while I'm listening to this podcast. Even merely listening is a fucking task. It's a lot of work. Jesus. It's sweating for the attention that I'm trying to this podcast. Even merely listening is a fucking task. It's a lot of work. Jesus. Nah, nah, it's over. I'm sweating for the attention that I'm trying to focus here.

You take and you take and you take. That must be incredibly frustrating for you too. I've listened to... Your podcast is amazing. I love listening to it. Thank you. It's funny. I was listening to it before you joined.

It's almost like seeing a celebrity. And you are a celebrity but you are very positive and i think a lot or let me say like optimistic i think is well like realistically optimistic and giving action items which i really appreciate about the podcast and i do getting back to the thatcher of it all we were shocked to hear that marg Thatcher was so progressive, I guess you would say, on this issue because of her politics. And it shouldn't be a political issue like many issues, you know, like this conservative side of everything, like is often doing things to stop progress on the, like on the climate front. But to your point, how would you, A, how frustrating is it to speak to something that shouldn't be politicized that is, and then B, what would you say to someone who's more conservative on the issue? Would you point to the fact that like hey there's going

to be no business if we don't solve this like what what would your response to that be and if you could do it in the manner of a wrestler a professional wrestler uh just addressing the camera telling rhyme i was worried you could ask me to sing, actually. Don't worry. I think we're done with singing. Yeah, I know. I grew up in the UK, and I think one of the bonkers things, actually, living in Australia is the same. The fact that it's politicized is insane. It really is.

Because, actually, in the UK, it's pretty similar. I mean, you've got extreme views on both ends. But, actually, arguably arguably the right-wing conservatives have actually done as much, if not more, on the green environmental arenas than the left. So it's on both sides. It's actually very balanced. So that's weird when you go Australia, US,

you have these particular views. I mean, people have got views, but I think it's one of these things where they, it's all part of your belief systems and and and where you see your value and where you place yourself in the world and i think that can be a challenge and i think actually scientists zero one zero one one zero it's very much this is the data and you should just get on with it and accept it right and the human side and we sort of coverage right you actually there's another element you can come up with a vaccine but actually getting it in the arms is another part.

And I think for a lot of us in the science community, we always just thought, I will just find that last bit of truth, that last bit of evidence that I'll actually convince people. And I think for me, COVID was a classic example where you will die, or you could die if you don't get this vaccine. And people still still said no yeah and it was like yeah wow okay so they were like you will die how about that like through a ventilator yeah you're like how so when you started to talk about things where it's a bit of a longer time scale then that's a real challenge so yeah but i think you know the thing i fall back on is there is huge scientific consensus on this

i mean for for a group of people anyone who's listening who knows a scientist they will argue with anyone i mean that's how you get promoted that's where you find you get your big research paper you nerd out you get your promotion and the fact when you're starting to talk about 97 plus percent or 99 percent of all scientists saying this is real and we've got to do something about it, I think just speaks volumes. That speaks volumes. And often just even sharing that information with people, people listening, to realize it's not this classic thing of, oh, there's a different view. Oh, maybe it's not true. You know, we used to get interviewed.

Even not until that recently. You get interviewed, even not until that recently, you get interviewed. If we were to do a call with you on a TV show, you'd probably have some extreme skeptic or climate contrarian who would argue, usually in a really good suit. I don't really have good suits. Really in a good suit, very slick, and actually just saying, oh, there's a different view. And everyone would say, well, there's one person who says it is, one that doesn't. Ah, maybe it's not real. Oh, I'd have to worry about it.

Or, you know, Jack saying, oh, gosh, that sounds like a lot of work. I think I might not worry. I never said that. I remember you saying it. You do it a lot. Deny everything. And to your including the climate from Jack.

Because you're right right because it's not a one-to-one it's a false representation of the numbers where what they should have is 97 scientists like you on and three as the counterpoint like you said it would be more representative of actually how the scientific yeah field sees it that's interesting yeah all right let's uh let's take a quick break and we're going to come back. We're going to dig more into this because it is a more hopeful picture of climate than I think I initially had in my brain. You know, just being like this big thing is looming and oil company is main player and they are lying and not going to let us do anything. And there are a lot of people doing a lot of interesting stuff. So and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

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Like what about that contrast makes you hopeful or otherwise? Yeah, I know we've known for such a long time, you know, this amazing lady back in the 1850s, Eunice Foote, she was American and she was a very early scientist in the area who basically discovered the greenhouse effects and climate change. Didn't call it a crisis or change at the time, but she realized actually pumping more CO2, carbon dioxide, into the atmosphere causes heating.

So we've known about it since the 1850s. And so by the time, you know, in the 1980s or so, we were pretty clear, you know, that use of dirty energy has created this heat trapping pollution. And it's basically adding a blanket around the earth and it's causing irreversible heating. So we've known that since the 80s. And some companies, which fossil fuel companies like ExxonMobil, actually had some of their scientists working in it in the 70s. And they knew back then. So it's been a bit of a frustration. But at the same time, you're sort of, you're always trying to engage with people to say, look, this is what the science is showing us.

And this is looking really bad and what we're going to do about it. And if we move quite quickly, it would be a relatively easier transition. But now we are, here we are in the 2020s, having the same conversation. my kids are now older than when i was first active in this area and we're we're still trying to get carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions down you know the pollution out of the air so it's been frustrating but at the same time i think there's a far greater engagement this last couple of years particularly for those of us in the Northern Hemisphere and the Western world are becoming even more aware of it. So I think there's a real energy and people want to do something.

And that was really the motivation behind the show, to be honest, because as a climate scientist, most people, I mean, I still get the crazy emails and And I'll no doubt get a load more after this call. But it's one of those things where... That's our main audience, man. And we're sorry. You walk into a wasp's nest here. And it's just one of those things where most people will ask me, what can I do? And I think that's the problem we've often had,

is that here's a science now someone else go and sort it out what we're trying to do as scientists is actually work with government public actually industry business like let's get this these ideas deployed and they are happening it is super super positive just how much we're seeing these technologies deploying more and more renewable energy sources around the world. It's not just in the West. So, you know, there's a lot of good news out there, but it's also hearing for people what they can do individually.

That's the idea. We talked before on the show about how something you just made reference to, like the Exxon, knowing about this, like doing some of the most advanced research into climate change decades before i think most people even knew it was a thing like they were lying about it before we even knew there was an it to lie about and so i feel like it's such a clear villain like origin story i just wonder like how you think about like one of the things i like about your podcast like a lot of the a lot of the times when i'm hearing these stories like

hearing the exxon mobile story and you know them discovering that there's a problem and then being like so how do we how do we frame this from a marketing perspective? We don't get names. We get big corporations and then those are hard to grab onto. There's a couple real villains on your podcast, like Fred Singer.

What a piece of work, I will say. Thank you for saying that. Yeah, for those amazingly completely outrageous characters who are out there pushing this misinformation or disinformation.

They're basically creating confusion. And the whole thing has been, I mean, this is a classic thing, and you can see it on a whole load of public debates. If you really want to just cause confusion, you just say, things aren't really that certain. How certain are you? We know that if you didn't have carbon dioxide in the atmosphere

and other greenhouse gases, the planet would go to about minus 50 degrees. And isn't it better than that, Chris? Isn't it better than that? That sounds cold to me. It sounds a little chilly. A little bit is good, right? I think we all can agree a little bit's good.

And the simple thing is you add more to the atmosphere, more pollution, it'll warm things up and then heat things up. But when some of these characters like Fred Singer, this was back in the 80s, creating these arguments for some of the best known scientists actually in the space

and then actually working with them towards the end of their lives and basically casting doubt on their work just introduces that certainty with the public that oh maybe even the experts aren't sure just at the time when you've got this real head of steam that actually they're going to make a difference i mean exxon mobil one of my favorite things that i've been watching on online at the moment is a great adam mckay the director of just incredibly funny clever man adam mckay did uh the netflix movie don't look up he started a new sort of satirical comedy uh channel called yellow dot studios and with rain wilson they've done this uh spoof on the game of thrones called a tale of fire and ice and you know it's the scene where they drag out the undead in a box,

you know, in front of all the main characters, Jon Snow and all the others. And instead of the undead, here's Rainn Wilson dressed up as a scientist, all chained up and does this fantastic thing about the house of Exxon Mobil as being the enemy. And if people haven't watched it, it's on YouTube. It's absolutely brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. But it's it's that yeah there's some great villains in this

story um and and you know when i was teaching about climate change one of the first things i used to show was actually shared with students oh this report back from the 70s there's lots of them that have been released since or been leaked and and it shows back in the seventies, that's some of the best scientists. They're pretty much on the money back in the 1970s. And seeing students get so cross, so cross, basically when I was born, they knew already. They knew before. I mean, my whole life, they knew. It's outrageous, absolutely outrageous.

And they still come around sort of claiming oh it's too expensive now we need to stick with fossil fuel that's the future yeah it's just incredible they're still being given their time some of these characters fred singer by the way for for listeners we we actually recently did a story about lunchables the public health disaster that is oscar myers it started as oscar myers but it's like a craft food pre-packaged lunch that was given to us by craft food once the tobacco industry took over the food industry and like they were like all right one thing we know how to get people addicted in a way that will make us money and kill them like that's yeah and so i just bring it up here because fred singer's background thing that prepared him to be like one of the fossil fuel industries like

go-to people for so in confusion his background was so in confusion about the health effects of smoking yeah he was there he learned his craft if you want to call it that. Yeah, amazing. It's so wild that that was just this original sin where all these professional liars were watching each other being like, hey, we should draft that guy. Look at the talent on that ad campaign. I mean, he has it all. He can shoot. He can dribble.

Yeah, exactly. Look at the wake gun. You don't need a team. You need to have people like that yeah exactly it is but like because you were taught i was listening to your episode i think it was the blue carbon episode oh yes yeah and it was if we're talking about making this like a cinematic thing where we have the villains the villains seem like very clearly defined where it's almost like tragically sad and sweet that the the protagonists the people the heroes of this story can actually be from that environment like the ocean or actually natural resources which is the things that we're actively destroying

are the things that can actually help us as well which which is so, you know, like kind of sad, but kind of sweet also. But yeah, I thought that was a really, really interesting episode where I've always thought, oh, it's like, we need to do this. We need like, human beings need to reverse so many of our habits, which we do. And also we, you know, your guest was saying

we can't do it without help from the environment also. No, that's right. Utilizing the environment. That's the amazing Sanjan, who's in Conservation International. And yeah, the whole idea of blue carbon is basically using the oceans. And he has this lovely quote. He says, look, if I was king of the world for just one day, I'd protect the mangrove forests,

which are these incredible trees that live on the coastal plains. And they pump down so much carbon out of the atmosphere and into the ground. I mean, it's multiple times more than tropical rainforest. These things are huge. And as you say, we go around clearing them under the guise that you get a nice view. And it's just clearing for a whole load of problems as a result. I'm a proponent personally of condos personal condos with good views of mango you love mango yeah i'm so i mean come i guess

you could convince me otherwise but that's just where where i'm at we just put them in the mangroves right yeah exactly how are we going to appreciate the mangroves if we don't have giant condos there? Thank you. No further questions, Jeroen. No, no. Problem solved. Unassailable point. I think the really important thing

with something like as big and as enormous as climate crisis is you could go really dark really quickly. You could go there. And there's a huge amount of challenges, massive. But the problem is if you just give that message of despair, nothing will happen.

You know, we need to get people motivated. And there's a lot of great stuff, as you say, that's happening. Putting aside the condos, there's a lot of really good things that are happening. So maybe we'll talk about the good stuff that are happening in the world of condos on another episode. You of really good things that are happening. I'll talk about the good stuff that are happening in the world of condos on another episode.

You can go ahead with yours, though. And temporary housing. Yeah. And you've got to give people hope and actually show them which way we can actually make a big difference. I think that's uplifting. That's motivating. Yeah. And your podcast does

that, which I like. Another reason why I connect with's uplifting. That's motivating, right? Yeah, and your podcast does that, which I like. You know, it's, yeah, another reason why I connect with it. Yes, your podcast also, you know, you have the Adam McKay episode about storytelling. Just again, and I think your instinct of like telling your students from day one, like they have been lying to us all along. Like it does help when I hear the facts about,

okay, like here are the things you can do. You can like change your diet, you know, which I'm joking. Like I 100% like agree. There are things that we can all do to help. But at the same time,

the vast, vast majority of this damage has been caused by these villains. I feel like there's something kind of focusing and simplifying about that that I wish was a little bit more... I don't know, maybe Adam McKay is going to make the great film about just like the history of this. But I do feel like that we had it.

We had the the insider about the tobacco industry that was like an Academy Award winning film. I'm I'm looking forward to the genre of movies to come about. They're like name names like the podcast talks about. They're like name names like your podcast talks about. So I've probably said, I don't know, the phrase climate change a couple times, at least since we started recording this episode. That phrase was invented by Republicans to downplay the problem of like climate heating like they change they change the word from global warming to climate change like frank luntz who whose name i recognized from being like a republican pollster was that was like his brainchild he was like if we just if we just say climate change you know we're acknowledging that it's changing okay don't i i can see you getting that we're saying acknowledging that it's changing. Okay. Don't, I can see you getting mad. We're saying we admit it's changing for better or worse. Who's to say, you know, it's changing. That's enough. Like that's the first step we've admitted that. And this is a negotiation, like is kind of the energy that it has. And they fucking won. Like when you search new york times.com results for like global warming

66.6 global heating like only a hundred total global warming is 66 000 climate change is 97 000 it's like the phrase that won and it's just what republicans wanted to make it seem less scary when they were talking about it. And they, again, it's just a, I don't want to feel hopeless. At the same time, I do want to acknowledge that we are the victim of a vast, long-term, and highly successful campaign to lie to us about something before we even knew there was something to be lied to about that is like very sophisticated. And I don't know, it just like makes it, it's like clarifying to me that like, yeah, okay, there's this, we're in a battle with a lot of different people who are putting a lot of different thought into it. We are slowly making progress on that battle in a bunch of ways that we'll soon talk about. But I just wanted to kind of hear your thoughts on that, because I was certainly a victim of calling it climate change.

I think that's kind of what I referred to it as until your show told me I shouldn't be. Oh, that's beautifully put, sir. I'll definitely have you on the show next time. But yeah, you're right. He broke and clocks right twice a day. He's not normally like that. It's his kid's cousin left and right. Tough crowd, right?

Tough crowd. Who do you have to work with, Jack? Is that right but yeah no honestly it's uh it's one of those things where and change is good right so the perception is oh oh it's change okay and actually that recognition that change isn't good in this case and actually there's a more there's a bigger issue i mean some people aren't comfortable with crisis they're like calling it out the same way people have talked about global boiling but that's another level up again but you know trying to get rid of global warming to global heating climate crisis

call it what it is you know we've got a major major problem here and it's it's now in our face this isn't something that's going to happen in 20 plus years or whatever. It's happening now. And we've got to really turn things around. And basically all this procrastination and delaying is going to cost us dearly, not just economically, but personally. And people are dying as a result. So it's an enormous challenge moving forward.

But misinformation, disinformation, that is a big problem we've got now and a huge challenge all this stuff is out there and people start isolating themselves and i think that's probably one of the bigger challenges moving forward really is that actually they get into their own worlds and they start thinking that oh they've got their world view sorted and they find these bits of information and basically say oh it's not a problem and they just hone in on that it's comforting right right and and i think one of the things where it starts to see a lot more now is actually getting out there as a community

getting to know your neighbors working with people realizing you're not on your own i mean the show is very much about what you can do and that's not just individually that's collectively and actually there's an awful lot of people out there who really want to do things and actually make a change but but you are right you know at the same time you're very aware that there's this our whole society is built around that's premise here if you want fossil fuel here it is here's petrol here's gas whatever you want coal it's all there and there's nothing to see here because it's it's just one part of a mix and things have changed before and that's not true anymore you know we everyone knows you know the consensus is we've got a we've got a existential threat to be honest and now we've got to sort it out yeah yeah i mean

one of uh we'll get into the lawsuit in mont, one of the lead lawyers who you have on just kind of breaks it down in this way that was very clean for me. It was like people don't need fossil fuels. The thing standing in our way is not our need for fossil fuels. It's the current structures of power and wealth creation that have been built up around fossil fuels kind of protecting themselves. It's the default. Like that's the default. I'm going to go get gas. It's kind of similar with the vegan conversation we were having earlier where you have to say, I need to go to a vegan restaurant or a restaurant with like not just a restaurant because a restaurant the default of restaurants is that oh it's going to be primarily like meat based so that is really yeah that's a really good point yeah but all right so let's take a break

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You might not have believed it, but we are back. And so, Chris, there's an episode. Well, let's talk about the Montana lawsuit first, because that one is really exciting. Yeah, it's mind-blowing. Mind-blowing. Yeah. A bunch of young people got together, sued the state of Montana, and won. Basically, there was something on the books because of like activists in the 70s who recognized that like pollution and, you know, that they needed environmental protections, got it added to.

Was it the state constitution? Like they got wording added. It was like, also, you can't like pollute us all to death. Thanks. you also you can't like pollute us all to death thanks uh and just and so they were able to get this group of young people together and sue the state of montana and they won and what like what it's a cracking story it's like a hollywood movie truly so what do you like what tell me like what you take away from that yeah no i i think is it and actually following on a little bit what you were saying jack about companies knowing that they were causing harm

it's this whole thing of what's going to happen in the legal system right so montana is a fascinating one this is nate bellinger who you're talking about was one of the lawyers on for a group called our children's trust and they've been fighting against a whole load of fossil fuel developments for some years now. And basically, he's got this lovely phrase. He talks about it being like a whack-a-mole. You know, someone's looking to put an oil refinery or something or a drilling site, and they go to the courts and they try and fight it.

And then they maybe get it delayed or whatever. And then another one pops up. And then the one you just got delayed comes back up again. And it's like, he calls it whack-a-mole. Yeah. And so the problem is, when you've got these sort of individual cases, you just can't fight them all.

There's just so many developments, right? And so they realize, and I'll come back to this in a moment, but there's a big federal court case at the moment called Giuliano versus the federal government. And so actually, there's a really good Netflix movie on that called You Fee Gov on Netflix, if people haven't seen it. It's just a really heartbreaking, but really insightful documentary about that court case.

That's still going on, actually. But in the meantime, this case went forward in Montana. And basically, it's both for Juliana, the federal court case, and also this one in Montana, went after the issues on the Constitution. And those are a lot harder to change. You can't get a government going in and just saying, oh, I'll change the law now.

So stop that. The problem's gone away. It's really hard to do this. And as you say, back in the 70s, they inserted this bill into the constitution about having a clean and healthful environment in Montana. So it's on the books, right? And basically, these amazing young people took the state to court with our Children's Trust

and basically argued, hang on a minute, you're actually not considering climate change in any of these developments. That's against the constitution. You're not creating a clean and healthful environment. And the judge found in their favour, actually not considering climate change in any of these developments, that's against the constitution. You're not creating a clean and healthful environment. And the judge found in their favour. This is back in June 2023.

And it was an incredible court case because basically they realised actually legally they had to consider those fossil fuel developments and they won. And Claire Vazes, who's one of the youth plaintiffs, was actually on the case as well, explaining some of the thinking and why she got involved and just completely inspirational people. But they won the case and it was upheld. So it's in the Constitution and they now have to do that. The state has to look at fossil fuel developments now and consider climate change. Now, a problem for the courtroom drama about this and something that like made my blood run a little bit cold is when it came time for the state to like present their case, they just kind of didn't. They like didn't present any expert testimony or any like really countered the case that was presented at all and that scared me i was like okay so like to your point about whack-a-mole i almost pronounced it guacamole like guacamole uh whack-a-mole which is plant-based and that's

why i mentioned it of course the only protein that i take is from guacamole it's true but they like i've got to go to your restaurant i've got a guy it is bad it is a bad restaurant it's not guacamole no but it it does feel like sometimes these court cases whether it be you, protecting people's bodily autonomy or it always feels like a little like you're you're you're just trying to plug a million holes in a dam. Like, it does feel a little bit like whack-a-mole. And so I'm just wondering, like, when they didn't present any contradictory evidence, I'm like, OK, are they just like, yeah, OK, we'll get we'll get you next time. Obviously, you have us beat here. Or I guess there's this federal case that's happening right now. So I'm glad to hear that it wasn't challenged in court, and they're not just going to overturn

it. It was amazing, wasn't it? I mean, I think it was several days where the case was put forward, and I think it was like a couple of hours was the response and the defense. It was like almost nothing. But you read some of the testimony. They basically, the officers who are in charge of trying to protect, uphold the Constitution, didn't even know some of the basic things about what the UN climate reports were, what they were, what the issues were. It was almost, frankly, it was just embarrassing that these people are charged with that task and just had been told basically not

to worry about it and just weren't aware of it. So I think ultimately it fell down because the state realized it didn't have a leg to stand on on this point. Yeah. Amazing. So, but the federal case, yeah, that's still going forward. It's still being considered. It's worth watching a Netflix movie if people haven't seen it. It's quite incredible. Yeah. And I mean, the Biden administration, is that the one that the Biden administration is fighting back on? It's fighting as well. Kind of in the same... It started with Obama and then Trump and now Biden's fighting it. All three administrations are fighting against this attempt to, you know, change things and hold these corporations accountable and just make it so that you can't pollute our children to death. Seems like pretty seems like it could be a political winner if we paid attention to it.

But that doesn't seem to be a priority with the mainstream media like that's another thing that's just very frustrating is the way they tell these stories and like what they choose to pay attention to can be pretty frustrating you have uh an episode with tom steyer who ran for president is running for president no he ran for president is running for president. No, he ran for president back in 2020. That's right. 2020. Okay. And yeah,

and he's, uh, he's like a, a wealthy man who is like, his thing is that you can use capitalism to solve these problems. And there's just, I don't know, like one of his investment ideas is if you have the technology for figuring out

like what the carbon footprint is of your sweater and you're like holding, you hold that technology so that people are able to keep track of that information then like that's a trillion dollar idea i don't know it i think it makes sense in some ways right like the economics and like capitalism is after all just like a system of incentives to get people to do what you want them to do but i've've also seen this cycle of engagement and then exhaustion in the media and from corporations where if the economy goes down, capitalists lose patience with anything that is not 100% profit motivated.

And I saw a Wall Street journal article in the past year where they were like social responsibility is becoming a bad word on wall street because people are tired of it and have deemed it not profitable enough and so i just i worry about like the forces of capital being so fickle that i i do feel like we need that massive infusion from the government, right? To kind of force the hand of capital a little bit. What were your thoughts on that? No, you're absolutely right. And I don't think Tom would say it's all just one way only. You need both for sure. I mean, if you go back in the day right and just throw your slops out the window you know wide capacity guttering it was just super easy

didn't cost anything send send you send your children down the coal mine that was pretty awesome as well cheap yeah yeah you know keep it going free market back in the in the good old days back in the day like that for us, it was like earlier this month for me. Go ahead. I'm sorry. You were in a coal mine earlier this month? No, no, no.

I would never go down there. I can't fit. Oh, you sent your kids. My kids. That's where his child learned. Yeah, yeah. That's where he learned the bad language. Yeah.

Working with all these miners. All the other kids down there. All the other kids down there. Minor, minors. What's our parents do to us? And we don't do that anymore, right? I mean, gosh, there was a great thing back in,

oh, it was back in the 1850s and there was a great thing called The Great Stink of London. I don't even, another bad movie. And it was amazing. You probably stopped out. There was a review. There was a review of the movie.

It wasn't a good one. Egbert didn't like it. The not-so-great stink. Yeah. And the Thames, it was just, for one time, London was warm and hot, and all this waste was in the Thames, and it just became this massive smell for two months,

and they called it a great stink. They nearly relocated it out of the parliament. And up to that point, everyone just said, oh, it's too tough. This is too tough. Just keep throwing your slops out. It'll be fine. And as a result of that, because it was so awful,

they built this massive sewage system for London, which was just hundreds, thousands of kilometers of tunnels under London, which was thought to be impossible. And just everyone, we still use them, right? It's just this amazing thing. And other countries have similar things around the world. That was government setting those barriers, what people like to talk about as barriers of the guardrails, right?

This is where we're going. This is the limit that we think as a society is acceptable. And that's what we vote for and then basically tom's actual i think really interesting premise is under those settings right now industry capitalism can help deliver that but you need those guardrails otherwise you're back to having kids in a coal mine and throwing the slops outside and i think the thing about the jack those are bad things those are bad things he in terms of how they affect my family's income though not so bad but i i understand the arguments against them theoretically i'm not sure i haven't really listened to any but

yeah okay you can go on yes and so that that's what's happening. You know, this idea of actually recognizing in the law that actually when you go to buy your sweater or whatever, what impact am I having when I'm buying that? You know, what is happening? And when Tom talks about

how much carbon dioxide is produced, at the moment we've got no idea, right? It's really hard. There's a few progressive companies who are doing that, but we've got no idea right it's really hard there's a few progressive companies who are doing that but we've got no idea at all and uh with that going into legislation now around the world it's changing everything it's changing everything because people know right and then places like europe are bringing in sort of taxes for if you import something into europe you've got to satisfy a minimum level or you've got to keep your

emissions down your pollution down and so that's driving everyone to say well can i do it for less can i do less use less carbon can i use less greenhouse gases can i cause less pollution and then you can show that you can you can sell your product so i think it's this gradual transition as we're moving forward but it's moving pretty quickly now in that in that direction yeah it's this gradual transition as we're moving forward, but it's moving pretty quickly now in that direction. It's almost a farm-to-table approach to clothes, like yarn-to-body, where you want to know, okay, where was this made? Because made in Portugal, made in Bangladesh, it's not specific in any way. And often, it really gives you no information whatsoever you just know the entire country that was made in yes like i think you're good yeah we told you

everything you need to do right how to get there who made it and it's interesting to hear you talk about like the great stink and you know to go not to be pessimistic but it's like okay it literally took an entire city to smell like shit in order for them to build that and then that's the challenge you know the messaging with i know with um i want to get the the phrase right with with the climate crisis is that people don't think it's as urgent as, oh, it smells like shit outside and I don't want to deal with it, you know. But then it's starting to get more, you know, there are the like, oh, there's more floods now. There's more hurricanes now. And I thought that was an interesting episode you did.

Your guest, I believe they were from Bangkok. And I think like there was like setting up like the park and canals and you're trying to deal with the current situation, which is not great, while also building for the future, I think is an interesting dichotomy that's going on. Yeah, no, I mean, I think that's the other side, right? Because we've left it so long now, climate is changing. It's actually happening. So it's not just a case of, oh, we've got to cut down carbon pollution or pollution full stop we've also got to live with it and half of us or more depending where you are in the world live in cities towns and yeah kotrakorn is this amazing thai architect who's working they've done this incredible park in bangkok but there's a whole load of examples

around the world and there's this lovely concept idea of a sponginess cities have got levels of sponginess. And it's this idea that, you know, if, if, if you can rather just concrete the whole lot and cause all sorts of problems downstream, if you can build parks and wetlands and other things, you can absorb the rain when you have a big flooding, you can create shelter because the other side is massive heatwaves. US, you know, you guys had an awful summer last year. Fires. And we're going to deal with that. We're going to make cities more livable for people in this changing climate. And that's a huge challenge.

And people will demand that very, very quickly. And they already are now. Yeah. I feel like the unhappiness of people in like we've talked before on the show that there's a lot of times like the like young people being unhappy right now is often blamed on like well social media and they play too many video games and it's wild to me that it's not more of a one-to-one. Yeah, well, they're the first generation that has inherited an earth that is dying, where the generation in power is like actively kind of has been less and less, but has been like actively ignoring things.

So I don't know. but less and less but has been like actively ignoring things so i don't know it yeah the the idea that got that was raised because you spoke to that that was sort of our instinct on this like covering the unhappiness but you actually interviewed a forensic psychiatrist whose job is to figure out like why people are going through what they're going through in the modern world and they landed on climate being a part of this modern epidemic of unhappiness, right? Yeah, it's a real challenge for us. That's the amazing Lisa Van Susteren. In fact, she was actually on the Montana court case as well. So incredible, inspirational lady. And yes, climate is heartbreakingly actually a major, major

issue for so many people in the world. There's global surveys that she's been involved in and Yes, climate is heartbreakingly actually a major, major issue for so many people in the world. There's global surveys that she's been involved in and others showing this. And I think that's another point for a motivation for the show is actually providing hope for people because it is so easy just to give up and people are incredibly vulnerable,

especially when you're growing up and you're still literally growing but also just trying to understand the world and there's the enormity of what our generations oldest generations have done yeah to give this you know since i've been born as you said right at the beginning when we uh when we started the show you know carbon and the amount of pollution we put up has more than doubled since i was born going going into the atmosphere, than the whole history of the world, the civilization. So, you know, the fact that actually in the state that we know this has caused harm, we've carried on doing it. And this next generation, heartbreakingly, are actually waking up to this

and actually demanding action, which is incredible, right? You know, it's actually this idea that actually they want action and it's forcing a lot of the world to actually wake up and say, oh, yeah, can't just carry on as normal and it'll be fine because, well, I won't be around for much longer and then it's your problem. And I think, you know, there was an interview, we did a wonderful, the wonderful Bill McKibben,

who's been around since I was a teenager. And Bill makes this really valid point. He says, you know, the sort of argument is, oh, the youth can sort it out. It's their problem. If they want to sort it, that's fine. But the problem is, as he says,

you know, actually, they haven't got the money. They haven't got the relationships. They don't understand how the politics works at the same level they don't have votes the power to actually do anything about it until they reach the age of the old people saying the older people saying oh you sort it out and so we've got to work across different generations to actually crack this because it's not enough just for you to say oh it's your problem you sort it if you're really

not worried about it you know and and I think that's actually quite inspirational. Bill is doing this thing, a group called Third Act, which is basically putting people older than 60 in contact and helping that younger Gen Z to actually drive those changes. So people are listening, slightly older persuasion, check out Third Act. It's a great way of getting involved

and learning what you can do. Yeah. van sestra makes the point that unhappiness is not like it's natural like it's understandable given what young people are dealing with because of social media right because of social media because of social media that's and not wanting to work and but that's right they're lazy and social media and those are the main things and there might be no obviously like there's this massive existential threat to the species and it feels a little crazy making to be living entering into this world where everyone's like yeah yeah oh yeah, but you guys got it. But we didn't do this.

You guys did this. You fucked it. The unhappiness and the anger is actually the appropriate response. It's a natural response. To this. It absolutely is. And then the question is, what do you do with that? That's right.

That's where you need to actually focus and say, okay, let's drive action. Yes. Don't just reflect on that and get worse. Actually, we can actually make a big difference. But yeah, let's drive action. Yes. Don't just reflect on that and get worse. Actually, we can actually make a big difference. Yeah, it's a huge challenge, but you're right. It's a natural response to that.

Who wouldn't get angry? Yeah, exactly. All right. Well, Chris, what a pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? Ah, well, very welcome. I'm on Instagram with Prof. Chris Turney. And those of you on LinkedIn as well.

I'm on the same name as well. So please reach out. But check out the podcast, Unfucking the Future. And hope you enjoy it. It's got solutions out there. We can do this. So thanks a huge amount for your time. It's been great fun.

It really has. Thank you. Great having you on. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? I think you've mentioned a couple that you've enjoyed. So, oh, one thing I'm really enjoying is Yellow Dot Studios with the great Adam McKay. Honestly, people want a little bit of light humor, but also

get some inspiration for what you can do. There's a lot of really short quirky movies and satire there that's just like getting people activated. But one with Rainn Wilson, though, with Fire and Ice, the Game of Thrones one, is just a fantastic spoof. And you can find out about the House of Exxon Mobil and to uh how to find those solutions so great fun bit of humor goes an awfully long way there you go we will link off to that in the footnotes blake where can people find you as their work media you've been enjoying uh i i just listened to unfucking the future today and honestly it was uh i love it it's such a good podcast and does leave you feeling better which is which is great it's very fun also there was a

a tweet that i was that i was enjoying where there was that picture of trump where what if it was just this i like that picture of trump ordering all the milkshakes at the chick-fil-a no um there was someone took a screenshot of that and said, like, what do you notice about their reaction, the people working at the store? And then at Dye Workwear wrote, I will tell you what I noticed. And then he did a thread dissecting Donald Trump's suit and why it's not fashionable in all the errors that he's done that makes the suit make him look worse than if he had actually just tailored it correctly so it's it was uh at uh d i e w o r k w e a r then also you didn't ask but where can they find me uh at blake wexler i didn't ask uh maybe you did maybe i'm sorry i've been having so much trouble listening to you today and it's the worst co-host um i really this i i missed so much today um on at blake wexler on social media and then i am doing stand up on the road coming up

cincinnati this week april 18th to the 21st philadelphia april 27th, Brooklyn, the 28th, and then Bristol, Tennessee, May 10th to the 11th. And all those dates are on blakewexler.com slash live dash dates. Amazing. Go see Blake in person. You really have to see him in person. So like, yeah, it's really like you get it in person more. Yeah, it's a similar situation

where because of the fruit smashing, I have like, you know, there's going to gonna be a tarp you really need to see you need to get hit with the with the little bits of watermelon to really get no extra charge no none what's actually it does yeah it costs me to be honest i have a lot of overhead for the fruit, the produce, transportation between dates and my mallet that I have to check. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. running thing about how, what, you know, one of the greatest Hollywood mysteries from any movie is from the movie, the town and how nobody can figure out what town, what town it takes place. My friends and I ever since it's so over the top like they're like every single like everybody's

got like Boston shirts on and Boston hats and they're like they call Fenway the cathedral like my friends and I always talked about like joked about how uh over the top it was and like how they just smashed you over the head like Colin Fenway where Robin the cathedral bro is so absurd but this is just the greatest I just love it very dry and funny from Jason Pargin Jason K Pargin on Twitter

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Super producer Justin Conner, is there a song that you think people might enjoy? Yeah, this is a really fun track. It's got this squelchy sounding bass and some sexy falsetto vocals. It's very reminiscent of like some 70s funk mixed with modern R&B. It's starting to get warmer out in some places. So this would be a nice track for a cookout or something like that. But this is Mango by Kamau and Addy Oasis. And you can find that song in the footnotes.

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