The Daily Zeitgeist - Nazi Billionaires, Coachella’s Seductive Capitalist B.S. 4.22.22

Episode Date: April 22, 2022

In episode 1232, Jack and Miles are joined by reporter and author of Nazi Billionaires: The Dark History of Germany's Wealthiest Dynasties, David de Jong to discuss…Nazi Billionaires, Coachella Continues to Be One Of Late Stage Capitalism’s Most Dangerous Products and more! They Are the Heirs of Nazi Fortunes, And They Aren't Apologizing ‘NAZI BILLIONAIRES’ REVIEW: GREED, OPPORTUNISM, AND DENIAL The Nazi Billionaires Who Made a Fortune During the Holocaust Coachella Is a Carnival for Capital The Mastermind Behind Coachella Get David's New Book: bookshop.org/books/nazi-billionaires-the-dark-history-of-germany-s-wealthiest-dynasties/9781328497888 LISTEN: Leywole by Ghost Culture & Falle NiokeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Although it does feel like we're moving the goalposts back. We're now like climate scientists. Like, I think we can manage two degrees change. Like, if we really get it together now. But we got to get it together now. Anybody hearing that? No? But yes, take this moment to, you know, get in touch with the earth and maybe consider

the massive work that is in front of us to maintain life on this planet. I mean, I do my part. I don't just throw my trash everywhere on Earth Day in particular. And once in a while, I will use the paper straws that they give me in my drink. Hey, invest. You know, there's good real compostable biodegradable stuff out there that's got the good mouthfeel. Bamboo shoots? Yeah, bamboo.

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Yeah. That was great. A great yamaguchi main classic well miles we are thrilled to be joined by a reporter and the author of the new book nazi billionaires the dark history of germany's wealthiest dynasties it is david deon david good morning good afternoon yes how's everyone doing? Thank you. Oh, man. Doing well. Yeah. How is New York? You're in New York, yeah?

Yeah. What's good in New York? Things are good. It's still chilly out, you know? I think those two weeks of spring are about to hit. Right. That's what I'm hoping for before summer starts. Are you basing that on any meteorological evidence or just the groundhog

are we at that point in the groundhog calendar purely this is pure gut feeling gut feeling yeah going off the gut yeah yeah yeah how are you where are you in your like kind of book tour book publicity my understanding is those are exhausting. I just started. I gave my first talk last night. The book came out on Tuesday. So it's been four days of man. Yeah. Nice.

And I've been listening and reading some of your other interviews and stuff. And have you yet to get any media opportunities from German media yet? Nope. Not yet. Huh. Not yet. Oh. Not yet. Over time. Keeping my fingers crossed.

I mean, the German translation is going to get published on May 5th. Okay. And the German book tour starts mid-May or May 20th, to be exact. So, you know, Germans, I guess that's also a little bit the overall point of my book. Germans are a little bit slow. Or at least some Germans are a little bit slow on the pickup. Yeah. A little bit.

Pretty similar stuff happening here, too. Yeah, true. With reckoning. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. Absolutely. All right.

Well, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We are going to talk about your book. we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We are going to talk about your book. Some of the revelations in the book are like the type of things, I say this about stories every once in a while, but like when I read your book, I'm like, wait, why is this not the only thing we're talking about all the time ever?'s just fucking wild so we'll we'll get more details yeah i'm sure so we'll talk about that we'll talk about coachella we're gonna just how lit it is like the dope instagram pictures we've all seen and everybody that i follow on instagram has aged out

i think which i think is healthy but like there's nobody's going to instagram or nobody's going to coachella yep same here yeah at least you get now like billionaires going and the property brothers guy is or what is it selling sunset guy it's like like we said it's it's uh it's all these festivals end up shifting but yeah So we'll talk about all that. Plenty more, but first, David, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? So I had my book party on Tuesday at the Neue Gallery in New York. And, um, I Googled the centerpiece of the permanent collection of that museum is the painting by Gustav Klimt of Adele Bloch Bauer I.

It was immortalized in this movie called The Woman in Gold, which Helen Mirren plays Maria Altman, the heiress who's trying to get the painting that is stolen from her family by the Nazis back. She lives in los angeles and the lawyer is played by i always forget his name but he is married to blake lively ryan reynolds yeah ryan reynolds exactly good for you ryan reynolds blake lively's husband whatever his name is yeah in his probably like one of the last roles where he was like i don't know like i don't always have to be like the quippy funny like deadpool guy sometimes i can be a just a lawyer who's trying to write a historic wrong exactly and i wanted to

know more about that history i mean i saw the movie but i wanted to know more about that history. I mean, I saw the movie, but I wanted to know more about the history. So that's before I had the party. So that's the last in my Google searches. Nice. And what did you find out? So I'm assuming, based on the fact that it was a Hollywood movie and that you had your book launched at a museum that features the painting, that the historic injustice was eventually righted? It was indeed. By the U.S. Supreme Court,

who ruled that the Austrian government had to return the stolen painting or the looted collection of paintings back to Maria Altman in Los Angeles. Ronald Lauder, the famous billionaire in New York, ends up buying the painting for $ 120 million from Maria Altman. And, um, the other painting, Gustav Klimt only ever drew two paintings of Adele Bloch-Bauer was his muse

and patron. And the other one was bought by Oprah Winfrey. I found out so that, uh, and was later sold on to a Chinese billionaire so it's yet again it's it's billionaires galore and we're just living a world where you know we're all servants to billionaires 100 they're like oh yeah it's just a good asset to park my money in right yeah and just they have it in like a airport like hangar somewhere or what do it like?

That's, that's always interesting when a billionaire buys a great work of art. Like, is there anything to indicate that we've even like, we're able to even see the best works of art or a billionaire doesn't just like own some of the best work? Yeah. I mean, there's so many, so many artworks are indeed in these text-free hangars all across the world, you know, in Switzerland, in Singapore. So you're right, you know, we've only seen a sliver of what's out there in museums. I mean, Ronald Lauder donated it to his own museum, the Neue Gallery in New York, where it's the centerpiece of the permanent collection alongside other magnificent works.

Yeah. My favorite art is always at the Sackler Museum because I can just feel good about their background. I haven't done a ton of research, but I feel like they're on the up and up. They're in all the cool galleries. I wonder where they got their money. I don't know. But they like art. That's all that matters.

Increasingly less. Increasingly less. Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, once people begin having reckonings with like, what's that name represent? No, no, no. Nope, nope, nope. Bring that down.

Empire of Pain, of course, the book that Patrick Redding keeps writing. Yeah, yeah. What is something you think is overrated? I think Manchester United is the most overrated soccer team in the history of soccer. It was announced that Manchester United, which has many fans stateside as well, but except for in the city of Manchester,

where everybody supports. Native Mancunians support Manchester City, which is a fact it's very little you know very little known manchester united announced yesterday that poached the coach of my of my soccer team ajax amsterdam and i think you know manchester united has even under ferguson they've never under sir sir alec ferguson they've never played soccer in an attractive way. There's never been a team, Manchester United team, which played attractive soccer

ever. I think they're the most overrated thing. It's just out there. Not personal at all. The poaching of Eric Ten Hag from Ajax. It has nothing to do with it. It's completely unrelated. I've been saying this for years, but now I have a news angle that affects me personally as an Ajax fan that I can finally say this on record. here is that's interesting like just you know only having context of following it through miles

i didn't know that manchester united was like not even manchester's team that's yeah that always sucks i mean it's like one of the best marketed english clubs out there and it's you know one of the the biggest the probably the biggest name in english soccer still. I mean, although Liverpool is basically leveling up on the number of championships they have. Liverpool. Shout out Virgil van Dijk over there. Shout out straw-sucking fangs forever. But it was the smashing by Liverpool that sort of catalyzed all this. And they're like, all right, we got to start really figuring this out because they're they're completely out of sorts and they're doing they did this thing where we see a lot of even like in the nba happens where clubs or teams are just

going for really big name signings without much consideration for the long like the longevity of the franchise or how it affects the youth development and you keep paying exorbitant fees they've spent something like one billion dollars since 2012 and now they're looking at a rebuild of at least having to replace like three-fourths of their entire squad yeah yeah i was trying to immediately trying to think of the nba corollary and i guess despite the fact that i'm rooting for them and i'm more devastated when they lose than when the sixers my team loses in this first round uh I feel like the Nets might be the closest thing in that they're like not New York's team, but they have like all this talent and like a lot of people are interested in them around the country.

Yeah. But it doesn't seem to be working out thus far. Yeah. And like I think to what David was saying, they win, you know, like that's the thing. They would win. It wasn't necessarily like, oh, you know the way they play attractive, free-flowing football with a lot of triangles and things like that. They usually just were able to, if Sir Alex Ferguson was just able to put together a bunch of winners and they just won games. But that one season when they had Rooney, Ronaldo, and Tevez, I think was pretty obscene

to look at up front. Yeah, I can't agree more. What is something you think is underrated? I think the state of Maine is terribly underrated. Hey, all right. Okay, go on. I've been there. I've been, finally, after many decades,

my favorite writer of all time, who I also think is terribly underrated, Stephen King, is from Maine. And I recently got to do a little literary pilgrimage up to Maine, drove up to Portland and Bangor and all these beautiful seaside towns and went into the wilderness. And I just, I loved it. Yeah. What is it, I loved it. Yeah. What is it, what about your perception prior to it and then experiencing what sort of, what was the sort of shift that you had and sort of saying, you know what,

this place is actually a bit of all right. I just found it so beautiful. Just pure, like an incredible wilderness. The nature is just stunning. The people are incredibly friendly. The lobster rolls taste so good. It's just, I found it to be idyllic and tranquil. I loved it.

And nobody ever talks about Maine, except for their one senator. And John Hodgman. Yeah. John Hodgman, Susan Collins, Stephen King. I guess you get their governor is always talked about here and there.

But yeah, Paul LePage I think is his name. When I played hockey pretty competitively, I had gone to Bangor in Portland before to play hockey, but that was many years ago. And I remember as a kid, just like for the first time ever seeing new England, I was like, wow, this is so different than anything I know growing up in Los Angeles, but I haven't been

since, uh, in my adulthood, but yeah, I feel like maybe it's time to check it out again. Yeah. It's, it's first of all, huge, which I guess a lot of America is huge. But you just, I drove there from Boston one time back when I lived in Boston. And, you know, you hit Maine like two hours in, and then it's like five more hours to get like halfway up the state of Maine. But it's truly beautiful. There's a mountain there, Mount Katahdin, that's like a great, a lot and just beautiful and whitewater rapids all over the place. I'm interested in your Stephen King literary appreciation. like Stephen King centuries from now will still be seen as like one of the great American writers. Like what is a, a book that you think is like underrated in terms of its place in the

literary canon by Stephen King? Oh, uh, the stand. Yeah. Which is my favorite book of all time or favorite fiction book of all time does not get the kudos i think it deserves i mean cbs did a terrible remake of it last year oh they did one last year yeah i remember yeah i remember

the tv remake that was like a an event when i was a kid like that's one of the only like tv mini series from my childhood that that I remember everybody was talking about and really captured the zeitgeist. I forced my 12th birthday slumber party. I forced my entire group of friends to binge eight hours of that miniseries. We're talking 1996 here. 1996 here. A biblical allegory eight hours long

just grinding through it with 12-year-olds. That's amazing. You don't close your eyes. People fall asleep. I remember 5 a.m. some of the girls got up and were just pissed and they left.

Mind you, this was in Amsterdam as well where I grew up. some of the girls got up and were just pissed and they left you know i mean and this is mind you this was in amsterdam as well where i grew up so right they this was a bunch of 12 year olds who were not native english speakers who you know had to go sit through subtitles wow yeah i just picture that you are the one person just sit sat in front of like this screen just so engrossed while everyone else is like what is going on yeah fuck you know we weren't even stoned you know right yeah 12 is pretty good fascination right yeah it's also funny like a sleepover with girls there at 12 is like so unheard of in America. It's funny that you just casually mentioned like that.

Oh, right. Our puritanical upbringing. Our puritanical thing. Little girls and little boys sleeping near each other? Don't underestimate the Dutch puritanical roots. Sure, sure. You just lived in a cool household? Yeah. Yeah. I guess my parents were pretty relaxed. And things in Amsterdam are more

chill than they are in the Dutch countryside where puritanism still reigns. Right, right, right. Yeah. Well, you know, the only place I'd argue with you is you saying The Stand was a fictional book because after Obama came to power, I think we all knew that Stephen King was seeing the future. Am I right, that guy? Wasn't there a lot of like, he's like the bad guy from The Stand shit when Obama was first coming to power? Really? I don't know. Maybe that was just me and my pals. That sounds like something. There was a lot of, like, Antichrist

stuff, and I think the bad guy in the stand was a pretty... Yeah, Rendell Flagg. Yeah. Oh, Trashcan Fireguy? What's his name? The Rendell Flagg. RF. Initials RF. Oh, yeah. Got it. I'm thinking of the pyromaniac character. Oh, yeah. The Trashcan Man. Right. That's Obama. But, yeah. Yeah. Got it. I'm thinking of the pyromaniac character. Oh, yeah. The trash can man.

Right. It's like, that's Obama. But yeah. Oh, man. It's wild when people like just we if we see it constantly, especially in American culture, like this thing I saw on TV. I probably connect to this real life event that I'm experiencing now. And I will now map this onto it. Yeah.

And then they just made the Antichrist miniseries on the History Channel, right? Or was it History Channel or National Geographic, where they just cast a Barack Obama lookalike as the Antichrist? Oh. Oh. Yeah. I missed that. I missed that.

Oh, no. The U.S. telling of itself again. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, the Bible, I think is what it's from. The Bible is the one I was thinking of. Yes. From the history channel.

Have you guys heard of this one? The Bible? Have you heard about this? Vaguely. Vaguely. Vaguely. They really did. What?

That's a strong one. What channel was it on? The history channel. Yeah, man. That's. Yeah. Got to reach out to those middle american viewers yeah get them on board just yep keep that narrative alive brown skin equals danger folks

this is america is there a shorter stephen king book for like maybe people who are like all right fine you've worn me down stephen king is a great writer. What should I read first? Do you have one beyond The Stand? Yeah, definitely. Salem's Lot, which is one of his first books, only runs 200, 300 pages. Short in that. Sorry, man. You're going to have to bring it in.

I'm just joking. Is that a movie? That's going to be tough. Talk more like 12, 13 pages. You go through it. Yeah, I know. His books are extremely readable. They kind of read themselves.

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Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And yeah, so like we said, up top, you know, I used to work for a website called Cracked. We did an article early on, like those one of our more popular articles that was like, these five major corporations had major roles in Nazi Germany, like Hugo Boss being like the outfitter of a lot of Nazi uniforms and stuff like that. And at the time I was like, that seems like, how is this not the only thing people are talking about when they like mention these companies? But yeah, you've done an actual like journalistic deep dive into some of the wealthiest dynasties in Germany, like talking 20, 30 billion dollars being controlled by these families. And just looking back at some of the details of the history that are whitewashed out of the stories that they tell.

And it's pretty mind blowing. Can you just talk about your journey to like, kind of get to this information? Definitely. I mean, I started reporting on this topic back when I was at Bloomberg News in New York. And I joined a investigative team at Bloomberg back in late 2011 that focused on family-owned companies and family offices and hidden wealth and billionaire fortunes. And I was soon asked, I was hired as one of the reporters covering the Americas, or covering North America. But because I'm a native Dutchman, I was soon asked if I could add the German-speaking countries to my beat. And that's how I began reporting on this mix of history and big business

and finance in Germany and how I stumbled upon all these very secretive families that control massive family offices that invest all over the world, but that also control global brands like BMW and Porsche and Audi and Bentley and Lamborghini and Mini and Rolls-Royce and Seat and Skoda and, you know, Volkswagen. And it's not only limited to the car manufacturing, you know,

consumer goods as well in the U.S. I mean, you have one family, a German family that controls Panera Bread and Krispy Kreme donuts and Pete's Coffee and Keur Kirk Green Mountain, and they all have these really insanely gripping stories and brutal stories, histories of their patriarchs being responsible for partaking in the atrocities that happened under Adolf Hitler in not only Nazi Germany, but also in occupied Europe. Right. hitler in in not only nazi germany but also in in occupied europe right and i feel like even to like jack's point like up top right i think when a lot of even people who feel historically savvy like at least in the u.s when you say you when you think of companies that were quote working with the nazis the first things reflexively are like hugo boss made ss uniforms or like bmw with the luftwaffe or what luftwaffe or whatever

we have these like very sort of like in a vacuum almost where the story is like yeah well they made stuff for them and then the then the third reich was over and then they just started making their their stuff again and i think what what's great is that like your book is saying like that's not the extent of how any of this worked. And I think we have a very sort of superficial understanding of how these, like these families or companies amass their wealth and things like that. But why do you think that we have maybe this one version where it's cleanly just sort of like they just made stuff and we're not getting into the coerced labor and like seized land and things like that?

It's because those companies are no longer controlled by families that are relevant right so so these families they do everything to leave that part of their history out on the websites of bmw on charitable foundations or the website of porsche you would never know the controlling families you could never connect and it's a little bit like the secular story too where you saw the secular name everywhere right but but nobody could connect the secular family to the company they controlled which was purge you pharma you know with with like bmw being controlled by the quants you know there's no there's no

you know there's no name to it and And Hugo Boss, if I got a dollar for every time somebody asked me whether Hugo Boss was going to be in my book, I would be like a multimillionaire. Hugo Boss is... The Kwans who now control BMW were massive textile manufacturers, also made all these uniforms for the SS, for the Wehrmacht. And it's always for some reason that they come back to Hugo Boss, you know, which is no, there is no Hugo Boss, there is no Boss family anymore that controls Hugo Boss already for many, many decades.

But for some reason, that name has stuck into, like, global consciousness of being, like, the main company to work together for a nazi war machine you know and it's yeah the the amazing thing about your book is it's not just like excavating skeletons in the closets of these successful business dynasties and it's like oh like there's a picture of them and they were like in the ss but you know the, the dynasties are like built on their ability to exploit like, you know, slave labor or forced labor and like some of the greatest injustices of the past hundred years. And then, yeah, it's like the foundations of their companies, of some of like these most recognizable brands in the world today. And it's just amazing like the story about flick i think in particular is that the one who or no i think i think it was the porsche story where

they basically the way that they got control of the company or as much control as they did is that you write in 1935, like the Porsche patriarch basically like bought out his Jewish partner after like, you know, it was, it was basically not okay for that partner to own as much of the company. And they got it for like very bargain basement, like rates and stuff. And they never addressed it. and then didn't they like basically say that the partner was trying to like extort them or some shit yeah yeah so you have so out of rosenberger which was one of the three co-founders of of porsche gets bought out way under the market value of his shares because he's Jewish in 1935 in Germany, a few weeks before the Nuremberg race laws are enacted.

So he is bought out of the company way below for what his shares were worth. Subsequently, adding insult to injury, Adolf Rosenberger is erased from Porsche's corporate history, founding history. Making it even worse, Ferry Porsche, the son of the co-founder of Porsche, and the man who designed the first Porsche sports car, in his first autobiography,

which was exclusively published in the US, because Porsche, America was the most important market for Porsche, is still today to an extent spews like the most virulent anti-semitic vitriol about Adolf Rosenberger who at that point has died in LA

he managed to flee Nazi Germany settles in America and it's just I mean it's beyond belief and then the irony today is that you have, you know, a global foundation, the Ferry Porsche Foundation, which is sponsoring, you know, a professorship in corporate history. And the Porsche family has never addressed any part of,

you know, the third-rank their of of fernand or fairy portia i mean it's it's it's perverse right do you mind kind of like explaining for people because i think like i was saying we just have a very element just elementary understanding of house how a company or a or a dynasty is enriched by their proximity to the leadership of the Third Reich and benefiting from the policies of the Third Reich. Sure. I mean, after Hitler seizes power in Germany in January 1933, he initiates this massive rearmament push. So the billions and billions flow into the factories and companies of German industrialists and German businessmen who start producing

for the Nazi war machine. You know, in the run up to the war already, right? So that's one, so mass arms production, mass weapons production was one of the ways to benefit from it. Secondly, you had, you know, and that's the example that I just gave of Adolf Rosenberger,

the coerced forced selling by Jews in Germany of their assets, either forcibly because they're put under pressure or because they want to flee Germany and want to get rid of their possessions as soon as possible

in order to escape the regime, they have to sell whatever they own at fire sale prices. Of course, once the war starts and Germany invades the rest of Europe, it's not only Jews in Germany and Austria whose possessions get looted. It is also just people living in occupied territories whose possessions get looted. It is also just people living in occupied territories whose possessions get stolen.

You see it now also with what Russia is doing in Ukraine. You see Russian soldiers looting the possessions of Ukrainians. Thirdly, of course, because most German men were at the front fighting, you have this massive system of forced and slave labor that is enacted by the Nazi regime, where you have millions and millions of Europeans that are captured, men, women, even teenagers, that are deported to Germany and are forced to work in factories and mines, either forced labor where you got paid a pittance

or a slave labor where you got paid nothing. And the five families I write about in the book, you know, in various ways profited from it greatly. And many of them were already exceptionally wealthy before Hitler came to power. Only the Porsche-Pierre family that today controls the Volkswagen group, Porsche, Bentley, Lamborghini, Audi, you can really say that they laid the foundation for their fortune

during the Third Reich. With Ferdinand Porsche designing the Volkswagen, convincing Hitler to put it into production, and of course the founding of the Porsche car design firm, which after the war becomes the Porsche sports car company. Right. Jesus. And like, I mean, so it seems obvious why you write this book. you write this book. But like, I just want to kind of underline because I do think people in some respects have just accepted the cruelty of like capitalism and like, yeah, well, that

was a long time ago and they got away with it. And that's just how capitalism works. But yeah, I guess I'm just curious, like, how, what has the reception been like? I guess you're kind of at the early stages of it. But, you know, what are you hoping people will take from this book? I mean, the driving argument of the book is historical transparency. I mean, the reason why I wrote, ended up writing the book is because you have BMW and Porsche maintaining these massive global foundations that also do charity work in the US. And in the names of their patriarchs or founders or exalted saviors, we're celebrating their business successes, but not being transparent about the war crimes they committed or the Nazi

affiliations that they had. And I think, you know, one learns from history by being transparent about the good and the bad. You know, if you just show that somebody saved BMW from bankruptcy in 1959, but you don't say that they built and dismantled a sub-concentration camp in Nazi-occupied Poland, or that they had prisoners of war and forced laborers used at the private estate, or that they acquired companies stolen from Jews in France, or overseeing battery factories in Berlin where thousands of forced and slave laborers were used,

including female slave laborers from concentration camps, then you're just whitewashing history. You're leaving out history. And especially at a time today where disinformation is so omnipresent, especially these massive global corporations and these billionaire families, you know, with great power comes great responsibility. You have to be at the bare minimum. I mean, I'm asking for the bare minimum, right? Be transparent about in the name of the person you're, you're conducting philanthropy in, or you're giving out media

prizes or you're giving out, you know, you have your corporate headquarters named after them. Yeah, the corporate headquarters and the foundations are often named after, like, the Nazi, the Nazi patriarch. Like, they're not even trying to fucking hide it, and they're not trying to atone in any way. They're, you know...

But they're not showing it either. That's the problem. Right, right. That's the problem. Yeah. You know, and if you don't want to do that, you should rename it. If you don't want to be transparent about your history, then don't call it after. Because there's no way.

I mean, you have the BMW Herbert Kwan Foundation, whose motto is inspire responsible leadership in the name of a man who committed war crimes. And there's, and there's, and the only thing it says on the website is he saved BMW from bankruptcy in 1959. And I think that's, you know, I don't think that's right. No talk of Nuremberg, huh? Exactly. But he didn't make it to Nuremberg.

This is the interesting thing. It just reminds me so much of the reckoning that the U.S. can never have with, you know, like you've even pointed out, the automotive industry is so relevant to German culture. And to even begin to examine that and say, is this thing that is foundational to our culture kind of soaked in blood? Is that something that we can reckon with, that there is a dark side to this? is that something that we can reckon with that there is a dark side to this very similarly to the u.s where like a lot of people when you start bringing up the legacy of slavery the response is like yeah i know it's bad okay but i don't really want to think about it anymore and that was a long time ago and like let's just keep going without ever understanding like the banks that most people use were handling money from the slave trade or the like people who have

descended from slave owners who are in prominent positions or dynastic families that are in the same way is that do you see that sort of reluctance sort of being parallel in this sort of like we don't want to really look at our the benefits that that like you know maybe we are experiencing in our national economy that's rooted in something much darker. Totally. But I do think that the US is now going through a time, and you particularly saw it in 2020, where there is this very painful discussion going on, which Germany already had a long time ago.

It's just that Germany's most powerful and wealthiest do not want to, are seeming to be completely cut off from reality, right? In the US, you know, this reckoning, as I see it, is only just beginning.

And it's going to be so much more of a confrontation with that history over the, over the next couple of decades, as more things come to the fore, as this, you know as this topic remains at the forefront of a national discussion and as the fights over statues in the south or of confederate generals of racist presidents and you know and at princeton Christopher Columbus. These debates, I feel in America, it's only just starting. And, you know, I hope to see it.

It's extremely painful, but I hope to see those debates intensify because it's a conversation that's long overdue. Right. And so how do you see that reckoning, like, that the stages of reckoning? Because if Germany is in this advanced place, because I know, like like in the curriculum, it's not like America where we're actively in a process of banning people from knowing anything about United States history. If it has anything to do with,

you know, something that could make the country look bad. But it's the stage that there's this reckoning where most people are because of public education and the messaging and the media were like, okay, we understand this is our history. It's we need to reckon with it and then it just sort of cools off and sort of gets to a place where we acknowledge that it's bad it's not a place to go back to but let's not really look back at it too much because we've already done the reckoning is that sort of

the energy or is that sort of the like inertia that you're trying to break kind of with bringing this discussion back up or just bringing this discussion to light i feel there's a massive discrepancy between german society which is so acutely aware of its collective guilt of remembrance culture and the most powerful in germany that pretend to an extent, or at least outwardly pretend that the people who created the billions for them did nothing wrong. At least that's what they show, right? It's what it comes down

to in practice. I think there's a massive discrepancy in that because owning up to that means disavowing your father or grandfather who of course you know these heirs did not create their fortunes so they they derived their entire identity from their father saving bmw from bankruptcy or for their father constructing the first porsche sports car for making the billions that they now live off.

So it also becomes a question of identity. But the problem is, of course, that these men and women, they control swaths of the global economy. They produce consumer goods that everybody uses every day. So I feel that they don't seem to realize the kind of responsibility that they have. Yeah. I mean,

on the one hand, like, yeah, they seem like this is a, I don't know, it just feels like this is really of a piece with a larger trend we just see across the global economy, which is that

not only does it send a message that in the modern world you can become the sort of like rarefied winner of just everything like escape the human condition have your name remembered after death on buildings and streets by exploiting war crimes but it just sends a message that like thoroughly and ultimately like the, you know, guilt and innocence and medically treat our unhelp unhappiness in a system that like tells us everywhere every day that like, well, but, you know, you're like, it doesn't say it would never say this. Instead, they would create a foundation that would like ultimately find academically that they would never say something like this. that they would never say something like this, but what all the actions and outcomes of everything tell you that we are insignificant rounding errors in a massive system that's ultimately designed

to create wealthy people and have those extremely wealthy people kind of perpetuate their wealth. Wow, Jack, you put that so depressingly well. When I see individual examples like this like it feels like you know we are like this is a correctable thing like hold people accountable for their immoral actions especially when they're rich because like when they're rich and use that wealth to escape the consequences of their immoral actions like that is the ultimate condemnation of your system like that like you can't let that happen and like that's all we do

is let that happen yeah yeah and i mean there's just like this thing like, of mythology that we have to the point where yeah that the message really is well if you're rich enough you can do anything that's really the thing that i think resonates with all of these examples which is doesn't if you're rich enough you can you can fuck it just buy the fucking newspaper that's talking bad about you and just silence them right just do that literally that's easy you want to stop people from talking about you get into publishing like i've heard you talk a lot i've heard you talk before in other interviews about people like even you know springer the owner of politico and just generally even how we we're constantly we have

these figures who are now getting into the media sphere, too, and being able to massage and control the narratives from there. Because, again, you can make the rules up when you have a certain amount of money. Do you have you like seen anything where you're like, wow, people are really quick to just justify this and move on? Like other than by the families themselves but just like in as you are bringing this to people's attention have you seen like do people seem surprised because i my concern is that like people have ultimately accepted that like wealth is the only goal and yes the entire enterprise is immoral but like fuck it like that's that's the way it is i do feel there's a there's a change in in in in that consciousness i feel i feel that that people are becoming more

aware of that and trying to do something good with the money that they're making you know to an extent but yeah you're right i mean you know there were people when, you know, I spent four years in Berlin, from Berlin, you know, doing research and moved from New York to Berlin in 2017 to do research for this book and to write it. And, you know, there are people who said, you know, Germany has done such a great job at, you know, at reckoning with our history. And that's not, you know, that's not really a point.

I think Germany, to a large extent, has done a great job and is a fantastic country. It's just that I feel that the most powerful, and not only the most economically powerful, but, you know, the family that controls BMW, Germany's wealthiest family, the Quandts, they, you know, are also the largest political donors to to what was angela merkel's party right and and you know with economic power also comes great

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days this week, the same clip over and over again. I don't know if my Twitter like is broken or, or what, but it just felt, felt like they really wanted me to, to watch that. But those two seconds looked like there was a lot

of energy there you know i i'm not that interested in like watching video of live music performances personally that's just like not a thing no i mean unless you're watching like an actual produced like music like a rock documentary or concert documentary but yeah yeah yeah phone footage of a live show not gonna kind of work but i mean the wildest thing was to see uh like leonardo dicaprio with like just completely masked up like like blowing through there like some ghost like hello it's just being like i'm here but you'll never see my face and i'm vaping but the Yeah, he had a mask on that covered up most of his face. It looked like one of those

fencing masks. So you got some tickets you're trying to unload, Jack, or what? Yeah, I'm just saying it looks tight and people should maybe think about hitting me up on Twitter. DMs are open and this weekend, second weekend's supposed

to be the best so just check it out uh so that's been coachella no so jack ben did this article uh where they were talking about like you know coachella continues to be at the bleeding edge of capitalist bullshit and there's like some good points in there i just think they're a little bit dismissive of like how potent like this this festival and this ideal is you know they they highlight the barge barges full of garbage and like months of water supply being sucked out of a very delicate ecosystem in single weekends uh this year there's an n NFT spin on it where you're given an NFT desert flower seed, and then you get to sit back and watch it bloom. And if you get one of the six rare desert flowers, if that's what your NFT blooms into,

you get like, I don't know, like the big stuffed animal or some shit. I don't know. You get insulin. What's that? So you get insulin? Oh yeah exactly but it truly feels like the the nft market is just evolving into a elementary school carnival oh yeah they and the people who keep hawking them cannot read the room ever zig cody ziggler pointed out this thing that there was like an nft like a bored ape yacht club thing that was supposed to be in like in like sort of coincide with 420 and like weed justice for black people but as an nft and you're like this is all bad

like this is so has completely no awareness at all around what anyone thinks of this or even what the imagery is of like putting an ape with like the context of like black people are incarcerated because of like weed charges um anyway it's just yeah that that ball keeps rolling steadily but so the the detail that jumped out to me is just kind of having some familiarity with the history of americans currently known as the baby boomers that burning man or uh sorry coachella was originally designed by its founders as a synthesis of 90s music festivals burning man and quote the 60s era longing for a new world which three days in the desert helps satisfy and i just thought that was like to be dismissive of that is a mistake that's like so specific and clear and it was so effective with the baby boomers

you know they had like all these revolutionary impulses and like they took that and it with the case of coachella they give it a fun like pretty release valve that's neatly contained in the middle of the desert doesn't actually have any impact and in fact enriches american express or whoever the corporate sponsors are but like woodstock was a music festival conceived by fifth avenue like admin and like that history is like only slowly like trickled out but any sort of idealism of the 60s like got turned into just like advertising aesthetic basically and the people who got rich off of that aesthetic are in the business of making sure that like you understand it's just an aesthetic that is like fun to visit every once in a while. And, you know, it's created the current world, like what happened with the 60s.

And like, I highly recommend the electric Kool-Aid acid tests, the tracking of the Merry Pranksters and like the LSD movement that sprung up around like the Grateful Dead and Ken Kesey and like that's very that's very potent to be like, yeah, no, we just like create this little pop up shop Disneyland for people where we, you know, make beautiful advertisement versions of the issues you care about. You get to take home a souvenir. You get to take pictures there that like put you in an environment where it seems like you're actually engaging with the thing. And then you're done. And like that, you can go back to the big loneliness, as someone recently called it when talking about Reese's eggs. And I just think it's important to recognize that like that group that like started out with those idealistic impulses are now the group that's like funding or that's fueling like QAnon and the rise of Donald Trump and shit. So like we have an opportunity to not do that with a lot of the like energy around social justice and social movements but i i think it's important that people like recognize that this is somewhat insidious what when it's

like converted into just a an ad for american express that you participate in creating on your instagram feed but you're saying like it's but more than that the insidious nature is to give people this like sort of well-coordinated distraction to just kind of take a little wind out of the sails so you're like yeah blow some steam off at coachella then i can go back to toiling and not really getting the itch to like is like even you reference this line of saying like spent to spend three days in like a world that uh with three days in a new world longing for a new world which three days in the desert help satisfy to sort of subdue the longing for the new world yeah and you associate it with that like suddenly your idea for like a socialist society or like community where you can like be part of a community with

other people and like be outdoors in outdoor spaces suddenly that's something you associate with like a trip to the desert for three days instead of something that you like work with your like the people in your community to accomplish uh in your community like it becomes just a part of disneyland of like this like simulacrum of like an idealistic society that actually is contained by american express like the like try to imagine hearing that like a revolution rose up on the coachella campgrounds like Like it's impossible because it's so carefully tailored. There's also a New Yorker article that like follows around the guy who created Coachella. And, you know, he's just trying to make money.

But like the thing that was the scariest moment for him in the history of the festival was when like people figured out how to clone the bracelets and like they had a gate crashing issue right like it's that's how carefully contained it is well I mean I think everyone's so fucked up there I don't know what they're bringing back with them at the end of it but they

may be subdued by the amount of drugs either way but yeah it's fine like I don't I don't mean to like I also don't look down on anyone going to Coachella and going and getting fucked up in the desert and like around music they love. I just think it's I don't know. I think the packaging of it and the engaging with it, like it's not just merely that you're going to a music festival. There are other people who are trying to do a lot of marketing normalizing etc like it's it's not it's not it's not as i guess it's not as what it appears to maybe on the consumer side versus what you know companies like you're mentioning get out of it too like to associate their name with like oh check out the like pepsi cold water filling like station

and now you're like oh yeah the water filling thing from the company that also sucks drinking water out of the fucking earth. Like that sort of mixed signaling, essentially. Yeah, I don't know. it feels you know the whole thesis of our show is that there's this collective unconscious and that like people are smarter than than the mainstream like media apparatus like often gives them credit for and i think like all of this shit matters like the the messages we get from the fact that oh yeah like the richest family in germany are like nazi billionaires the coachella is like taking all the things that are actually like serious good beautiful ideas that we should be thinking about incorporating into our daily lives and like turn them into a aesthetic that

like you you know get to bathe in on Instagram for a couple of days and then like move on from like I think all that stuff is has an impact that is what has kept people advocating like, you know, not advocating for their best interest for the past like 50, 60 years, basically. years basically yeah i mean i wonder if the difference is right because at least boomers and gen xers they were able to benefit from an economy that began to subdue a lot of those revolutionary impulses right yeah because like especially with the 80s be like oh you're yuppies now you sold out or whatever and it's like no i'm now a guy i actually have access to wealth but millennials and younger we're not we're not following that same path. So I think there I'm curious how like what has to happen where you have to kind of really take the to subdue the urges that are so many young people feel now around like saying like, dude, I'm completely disillusioned by my lack of opportunity like i'm in fact i've become nihilistic yeah where you know how do you how do you like turn that person into like a good you know target shopping consumer for life type person especially when they don't

even have the money to to do stuff with in the first place i mean i think maybe that's like the weird moment that we're in too is like that process is a little bit slowing down because of the massive amounts of inequality yeah david what are what are your thoughts both as you know someone from outside the country but also you know somebody who used to report for bloomberg like where where do you kind of fall on this whole moment in American idealism, I guess? I'm extremely worried about, well, particularly what's going on in America, the polemic. But also, and I mean, I write about that in a book, when I started reporting for Bloomberg News in 2011 on this team, it was literally the last week of November of 2011 when Zuccotti Park, when Occupy Wall Street

was forcibly removed overnight. It was the beginning of the debate of the 1% versus the 99%, or now it's transformed into the 0.1% versus the 99.9%. And that, you know, the bifurcation of society and the, you know, afterwards came Piketty, of course, who took that to the next level and also gave the historical context. But it's only gotten worse in recent years. And I'm deeply concerned for the future of America.

I'm very concerned for the future of Europe as well, because it has similar problems, you know, in terms of the incredible inequality of wealth and the haves and the have-nots, is also undermining the fabric of Europe and the European Union, as it is in the United States, in terms of spending on political capital, political power, the shaping of American capitalism. We started off this episode talking about Earth Day and scientists saying, oh, it's only going to be two degrees

in the next century. The problem of wealth inequality on one hand and climate change on the other which very much go hand in hand you know i'm i'm really sorry but i'm worried that it's already you know it's too late you know it's that we're we're you know we're on the on on the precipice of day of decades of disaster and war and troubles and and you know i don't know i'm very concerned for the state of the world sorry to leave you guys with this no but i mean yeah yeah i think it's something we all feel because it's yeah there's the rigidity of it all when we're seeing that the way that the powers that be or the wealthy choose to solve problems and actually exacerbate the existing problems and

they can't see that terrible feedback loop that, you know, I think that's why a lot of people are like, well, I guess the wheels have to completely fall off for people to figure it out. Um, but can that happen? Or on the other side of it, you even see people how they're even saying like, well, you know what, we'll spend our way out of climate change. We'll build and innovate our way out of climate change. And we'll just spend more money and experiment more rather

than just doing the very simple thing which is like begin to switch to renewable sources of energy and really have and think of like what the amount of you know carbon output that certain industries are emitting every year but rather than doing that it's like no we'll just keep doing this and like we do if a problem comes up we'll just spend money to try and figure it out. But at that point, I just feel like the problems are insurmountable. Yeah, exactly. Where no amount of money can be spent to, like, I don't know, have a desalinization plant that could, you know, like hydrate an entire hemisphere. What are we talking about here in that scenario?

What are we talking about here in that scenario? And I think that's what is a little bit disillusioning is that, oh, we see that the same problem-solving mentality is just going to stay in place because of the people that are in power consistently. Well, David, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for writing this book. Where can people find you, follow you, get the book, all that good stuff? If you want to get the book, get it at bookshop.org because they support local and independent booksellers. And if you want to order it online, go there or just go to your local bookstore and get it there.

You can follow me at David DeYoung on Twitter and Instagram. There you go. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? I am still enjoying, three weeks later, the tweet by Elon Musk about getting dissed at Berghain. And he said, I saw peace written on the wall at Berghain.

I refused to enter, which was sent at 7 a.m. in the morning, Berlin time. And it was unclear whether he was rejected from Berghain, the famous nightclub in Berlin, which is impossible to get into, or whether he did not want to enter. But some people are speculating that because he received so know he he received so much you know he was laughed about so much following a tweet that day that he launched his hostile takeover of twitter the following week wait his his tweet original tweet which i i uh you know i try to stay up on ilan musk he's yeah my favorite thought leaders but yeah right i, right. Right, I'm sure.

The exact tweet was, they wrote peace on the wall at Berghain. I refused to enter. I refused to enter. They wrote peace on the wall. Like P-E-A-C-E? No, peace, like peace, like love and peace. Right.

Yeah, and I refused to enter. Okay. And it was sent at about 11 p.m. East Coast time, so it was 5 a.m. Prime Twitter time. Exactly, prime Twitter time, 5 a.m. Berlin time. He had just opened his giga factory in Berlin, and I guess he wanted to celebrate at Berghain.

That certainly didn't happen. Berghain notorious for its strict door policy, and it's cooler than cool being able to enter. I was lucky enough to gain entry a few times, but only because of my much cooler friends. But I found it, yeah, I'm still enjoying it, especially now seeing the entire battle between Musk and Twitter for who's going to control Twitter.

We'll see that being decided in the next couple of weeks. I'm team Twitter. It's odd to think that him getting dissed at the door at Berghain is like Trump at that correspondence dinner. Right. It's like, that's my originary hurt that I will use to launch this destruction campaign. Sounds like the ultimate goal of this whole system we've been talking about still doesn't make you happy. Right. Yeah.

Exactly. Exactly. Oh, wow. Richest asshole in the world can't walk through a door. Now pissed. We'll buy Twitter. Cool. Sign me up.

Miles, where can people find you? What is a tweet you've been enjoying? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Also, you know, we got a basketball podcast, Mad Boosties, Jack and I, and also my other reality trash TV show, 420 Day Fiance. Check that pod out if you like 90 Day. First tweet I like from Blair Saki, at Blair Saki. She tweeted, I really want to fall in love, but not with any man I know

or have met or seen before. Which is great. You just want something new. That perfect thing that's out there. And then another one from Dr. Hurdy Gurdy at NotReallyADoctor tweeted, I like big butts and I cannot lie. My brother likes small butts and cannot tell the truth. Each of us guards a door.

One leads to an anaconda that is sprung. The other to certain death. I love that. I loved it more if it wasn't also my tweet, Miles, you son of a bitch. You know what? We gotta coordinate before. I know, man.

Anyways, latest episode of Boosties is a good one. Dropped what? We got to coordinate before. I know, man. Anyways. Yeah. Latest episode of Boosties is a good one. Dropped yesterday. We're talking Anthony Edwards. It's a blast. Yeah. Justin Tinsley. Another tweet I've been enjoying.

I'm seeing Vinnie Thomas at Vin underscore A tweeted, my sauce packet drawer is a thriving metropolis and a beacon of diversity. I think that is true of a lot of sauce packet drawers. Do you throw away Hunt's ketchup packets? Or do you keep them? Hunt's? I throw away. Heinz? If you get them. Heinz you got to keep. Yeah, always. And then somebody tweeted for those of you who are going to continue to wear masks on your flights, how will you respond to a passenger

asking you why you are still wearing a mask and hannah michaels tweeted my breath smells like cum and i think that's a good answer i think that's the way to go i'm gonna go with that you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do we think they might enjoy? Okay, so this is a collaboration between this artist from Guinea named Fale Nioke, F-A-l-e-n-i-o-k-e and this just like i believe this guy is a uk producer london-based producer named ghost culture and this track that they're

on together called le wole l-e-y-w-o-l-e is like a really great synthesis of like West African vocals and like lyrical stylings. But with this, you know, kind of like obscure electronic, like edited African percussion beat on it. And I don't know, it's just a very good blend of musical styles that fits very well. And it just feels like a very original track. So check out this track. It's called Le Wole by Ghost Culture and Fale Nioke. It's called Le Wole by Ghost Culture and Fale Nioke. Speaking of Ghost Culture, check out Jamie Loftus'

the trailer for her new podcast is up. And it is all about spiritualism, which is like the American religion of ghosts, basically. You know, it was practiced by a lot of people around the time of the civil war it's called ghost church and it's you know the thing that was started by the fox sisters who were communing with the dead and the dead would talk back by by knocking on walls which was a they were actually doing the knocking but that is still around to this day. And the trailer's dope.

Again, Ghost Church by Jamie Loftus. That is going to do it for us this morning. We are back this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we will talk to y'all then. I didn't do the part where I say the Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Yeah, and that'll do it. That'll do, pig, for today's full episode.

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