The Daily Zeitgeist - NBA Playoffs with "Big Shot" Robert Horry

Episode Date: May 19, 2022

Miles and Jack were honored to be joined by the 7-time NBA Champion for the Rockets, Lakers and Spurs, Robert Horry on the latest installment of Mad Boosties. Beyond getting his thoughts and analysis on the current NBA playoffs, including predictions for each Conference Finals series, they dove into some of Rob's greatest moments as a player and plenty more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yes, yes, yes. And new potential rivalries being formed. We're also going to talk about iHeart's new show, NBA Finals File, and plenty more about all the things that keep us coming back to the NBA with our guest, seven-time NBA champion, Robert Ory. I'm Miles Gray. I'm Jack O'Brien. And this is Miles and Jack got mad boosties. Perfect.

I did not anticipate having to say that title in front of Robert Ory. Well, look, you know. Here we are. It's all fun and games to humiliate yourself until Robert Ory comes on the show. Yes, yes. Hey, you know, usually on podcasts, you know, the host usually asks questions. Let me start out by asking a question. How'd y'all come up with the name mad boosties mad boosties was uh i'll tell you right now when i was a kid always

reading slam magazine there was a like there was like an ad for an and one shirt that you know how the old and one logo was like that faceless figure and it was him doing like a like i don't like some kind of dunk but underneath it it said mad boost Mad Boosties. And I remember being like, Mom, I need that shirt. And she's like, no, I'm not buying that for you. So in my mind, that had always been a thing that I had always wanted. And so when we were talking about names for the show, I was like, because Jack and I, we come out of the 90s and aughts, golden era of basketball.

So I was like, we need to touch on the words and phrases of that time so mad boosties became and then i also can jump really high i got i used to be able to get net uh so it was you know it was something people should know about me yeah i get it i get it well it's an honor to have you here for the folks listening we are here with somebody who's won titles with the rockets the lakers the sp again, seven-time champion with more rings than any player who didn't play for the Celtics in the 60s and host of the NBA Finals file. Big shot, Bob. Robert Ori.

Welcome. Welcome. And thank you. I told you before we started recording, I owe you a debt of gratitude as a lifelong Laker fan and Angeleno and just i owe you a debt of gratitude as a lifelong laker fan and angeleno uh and just in general as a fan of the sport i mean the amount of fantastic memories you've you've created for fans it can't be underlined so thank you for being here thanks man thank you thank you it's fun to be here man it's always fun to talk to diehard fans of

organization yeah absolutely yeah especially when i play for yeah exactly and yeah this is like this shirt the listeners can't see this but the shirt i'm wearing it says purple rain in the purple rain the prince film font but r-e-i-g-n and robert you're like wait what's going on with that shirt true facts i used to go to the staples center and sell these shirts outside the staples center when i was in high school and college and not many people understood what i was selling so many people like you got anything with kobe on it and i was like nah man it's like a vibe thing kobe on the motorcycle oh wow well you know i didn't have photoshop skills i only found this font and i was like hey this is enough for a miniature hustle so yeah a bad 10 year old

drawing of kobe on a motorcycle right. You should just use some stick figures. Right, exactly. Put numbers on there. Right, and just had an arrow that says Kobe. And they're like, oh, so, okay, based on this diagonal line, it is Kobe Bryant. You know, just like the NBA games back in the day, you know, you really didn't know who a guy was, but you knew by his number. Oh, I know who that is. He's got the same skill set as George.

Even though he's not in the game, he was in the game. Exactly. Because we're playing Rockets versus Bulls on NES. We were all there. So speaking of which, you have a fantastic career in the postseason. Now that we're getting into the business end of the postseason, the conference finals, I feel like we wanted to just kind of go over the the teams that are involved and and just generally you know talk a little bit and get your perspective on things yeah i mean i feel like dallas is the

big story uh of the past week like luca kind of coming out in that game seven and just um harming people. I mean, that first half, the laughter, the joy with which he was extinguishing souls, both on the Suns and in the arena. And the ball's going to be in Lucas' hand 80 to 85% of the time. Here's the step-up by Lucas. And Aiden was out there, and Lucas trains it it teeing up from

three hard to believe a week ago the sun's led this series two games to none donchik's three good wow what a start he's at his first three under a minute to go here in the first half stunning 27 front lead down goes johnson free lead oh no they're shredding them But I mean, a lot of people were surprised by this outcome. Like, I don't know. What do you think the experts were missing about Dallas versus Phoenix? I think a lot of times the experts, they get lazy. And they always just, oh, they're ranked number one. Okay, let's go with the number one team.

They had a good season all season. Let's go with that. But it's always about matchups, man. I think the biggest key for the Mavericks was getting Dinwiddie. Because think about it, he killed in that first half too. We don't talk about him because Luke overshadowed him. I think he had, what, 21 points in the first half? And, you know, Luka had 27 or something like that.

But we don't talk about Spencer coming over. Once they got Spencer, that gave them someone off the bench that could solidify that bench. You know, of course, you know, Brunson is, you know, he has come up and come out and is doing his thing on the court. But it's funny how experts always want to just look at records instead of looking at matchups. And if you look

at that matchup, who owned Dallas' team outside of Bridges, and he didn't do a very good job at guarding Luka. Luka's just too smart and too slow for everybody. I know that sounds funny. I know that sounds funny, but you know, basketball players are used

to guys playing at a certain speed. If you don't play at that certain speed, it throws you off. That's why slow guys and left-handed guys kill in the NBA. Right, because all your muscle memory is you're used to moving with someone with the ball at a certain pace. When that rhythm is broken up, I'm sure there's a lot of mental adjustments that you have to do. Off-speed pitches. Right, exactly. He's a walking off-speed pitch, basically.

How are you going to follow that one? I think, and also, too, in a lot of the talk about it coming out of that series, it seems like most of the emphasis seems to be like, Phoenix collapsed. How did they end up collapsing? But I'm curious to you, is that the bigger story than Luka's dominance or even looking at some of the other players that got involved? Or is this maybe to do with the fact that some of the talking heads

maybe got lazy and were all in on Phoenix, and now that they lost, now they're trying to sort of deconstruct why they were wrong? Well, I think it was a little bit of everything. Everybody always wanted to point to one thing. Dallas played great. On the flip side of that, Phoenix played awful. Think about that. Lucas scored more points than them by himself

in the first half. Dallas just came out. They didn't shoot. They didn't shoot the far well. CP3 usually gets everybody in the right spots. That wouldn't happen. Devin Booker, he didn't score a button in the first half. It was just bad, bad basketball't score a button in the first half. So, I mean, it was just bad. Bad basketball.

And that's the thing that I always tell people. You need a big sometimes. And for me, you know what? Let's just, we're not scoring. Let's go inside the eight. Let's go inside at a time, and we're going to see right now, right here, if we go to him in the game

seven, to see who's going to the Western Conference final right here, if we go to him in the game seven, to see who's going to the Western Conference finals, if he's able to carry us, then he gets that big contract. And so now, you know, you don't use the guy. And that's the thing that I hate about this game today. Bigs will have a mismatch. They don't let him go inside and score. They'll make him go on the outside.

Go outside and shoot some threes, you know. Think about it. Brooke Lopez used to be 25-point score. They'll make him go on the outside. Go outside and shoot some threes. Think about it. Brook Lopez used to be 25-point scorer, but once he said, oh, I got to shoot some threes, he went down to 16, 17, 15, whatever it may be. It's the stupidest thing to me. Basketball is not about analytics. Basketball is about playing defense

and getting buckets. If you don't get no buckets, you go home like Kenny Sons is doing right now. Yeah. I love when the experts are wrong. The experts are don't get no buckets you go home like like penny suns are doing right now yeah and i i just i love when the experts are wrong the experts are because they make the league to me like they they make it seem like ah the playoffs are on like rails and the suns you like might as well pencil them in for the finals and you know there's just so many factors like we we talked about a lot with the grizzlies this year that like you you know, heading into the season,

nobody had that. And there were just like a lot of factors coming together around them. Um, and this is another example. And I feel like you are the perfect person to talk about this with, because you were always there, always in the right spot, always stepping up,

hitting these shots. Like you knew what was about to happen before anybody else like it was already scripted but yeah i mean like the show is kind of about like the kind of difficult to explain and like unexpected things that happen in the nba and yeah we're we're super excited to have you on uh i think we already said that but i'm it's the funny part is you know i'm one of these so-called experts and i predicted to be a matchup with Phoenix and Milwaukee again. But, you know, injuries come into play, especially with Milwaukee. You know, they have guys out with injuries,

and then Phoenix just laid an egg. But it's all about the hot team. Think about it. In 95, we finished sixth. We made a big trade during the season and we were hurt all season. We really didn't get a chance to play together the last two weeks of the

NBA season. You know, when Clyde got a chance to play with me, Dream, Mario, and Sam Cassell, and all these guys, the next thing you know, we get hot at the right time. That might be who Dallas is right now because you got three guys from Dallas that are playing awesome.

I think one team we're really overlooking though is because back in the day, it used to be the sexy team because they had the big three and now they just have Jimmy Buckets and the rest of the crew. We're overlooking the Miami Heat. Miami Heat

went through a little spell when they were losing. You had to dust up on the bench and everybody was like, know, they had everybody when they Miami Heat went through a little spell with losing. You had to dust up on the bench and everybody. Oh, they're falling apart. At the end of the day, the playoffs fix. They fix everything for a team that's already close.

You have dust up like that during the season. You know, sometimes you see them. Sometimes you don't. And I think Miami is a team right now. They looking at this league like, yo, we got everything we need right now.

We have three guys that can play great defense. You know, we get Kyle Lauer back. We got four. And so that's what they need right there. And I think this is the perfect opportunity when everybody's thinking it's going to be Milwaukee or Phoenix to win this thing, that they can slip in there and get them a title. And I'm rooting for Miami because, you know, I've been knowing Jimmy Butler

since he was 13 years old. So I'm rooting for Jimmy to win this thing. So even though that's not the sexy pick because they don't have a Tatum, you know, they don't have a Luka, they don't have a Steph, they don't have those superstar guys, even though they got all-stars on the Miami Heat team, that's not the sexy pick. You know, I like the way Miami Heat plays. Yeah, and I mean, their momentum going into the postseason,

I think if you looked at it that way, you're like, okay, they got something going. And I feel like the little dust-up felt like a bit of a unifying moment, or they were able to turn a corner after that. I think a lot of people were speculating like, uh-oh, what's going on over there? But the performances show that that if anything it was a galvanizing force you know other thing is i think also you have to see no credit spolster

he did something a lot of coaches wouldn't do you got a guy you paying all this money to him you know and duncan robinson who can't guard me you or anybody right well we do that boost it would be hard for him to check me yeah you think about it a lot of times oh he's about three points he's making all this but i got a plan uh go sit your ass on the sideline and we're gonna go we're gonna go for some defensive presence out here and that and that's that's huge man you think about it that's huge and they i they turn around defensively even though you know they're not playing him but they're playing very well defensively, and that's what you have to do in the playoffs.

Jack, you referenced this actually when we were prepping for this show, and Jabari talked about it too, about the culture of the Heat. Heat culture within that team. I'm curious, from your perspective, what do they have there that other teams don't that sort of gives them this edge? Because it's clear

they're a high-performing team. Pat Riley. Hey, you think about Pat Riley. Had to go against Pat Riley when he was with the Knicks. He had them ready. It's just certain guys demand respect, and players just automatically respect people. There's probably not a player alive that doesn't respect Pat Riley from the way he coached when he was with the Showtime Lakers to the way he coached the Knicks and the way he's coached the Big Three. Even though everybody said he didn't coach them, he was an integral part in that system down there and the culture, like you mentioned.

an integral part in that system down there and the culture, like you mentioned. So when you, you know, it's certain people around the NBA, you can just say their names and they just demand respect. And Pat Riley is one of those guys. I can't argue with that. So Golden State back in the conference finals, I wanted to just talk about with you particularly, Robert O'Reary. Is it okay if I just call you robert ory every time mr bob so game six clay is you know has been a thing it was a thing again you know clay showing up putting up

30 and you know it's a thing in his mind it's a thing in his opponent's mind it seems to come true more than should be possible when you have everybody on the opposing team being like they're about to clay's about to try and go off we need to make sure this doesn't happen which reminds me of you you know the opponent comes in knowing your nickname is big shot bob ory they're they're coming out of a timeout and like something people underestimate or like kind or I think I even misremembered about some of your shots is they were contested. They were heavily contested shots. But again, it felt like you knew what was about to happen before anybody else. You were just like, oh, this is going in.

It just needs to get out of my hand. out of my hand but like is is that i i'd just like to hear your thoughts on like a thing like game six clay like game six is my game which seems like okay but a lot of things can go a different way or like the last the last minute of a finals game is my is my moment everybody wants that to be their moment but like what can you take us inside like that mindset of being like somebody who steps up at a given at a specific time it's really two parts to that um the first part is when you've known for hitting shots down the stretch like that it can haunt you because the guy won't leave you i remember we was when i got you know i moved on to the spurs we playing the Lakers in a position

and Kobe comes out on the court. He tells Carmelone don't leave Rob. I'm standing on the sideline. He comes all the way over there to tell Carmelone don't leave Rob. I'm like, Carl, I got you. Kobe says this three times to Carmelone.

He's like, I got you. I end up getting a shot anyway. I missed it. Oh, man. And after the game, Kobe was like, did I tell you not to leave Rob? He lucked up that time. But, you know, so people, once you get this nickname or you've known for something, they're going to try to shut you down.

So they're going to come at you even harder than normal. And, you know, for Klay to be now holding up his six fingers and letting everybody know he's, you know, that's the guy, that And, you know, for Clay to be now holding up the six fingers and letting everybody know, he's, you know, that's the guy that's who you are. They're going to try to shut him down. They're going to go at him. They're going to try to make him work.

But it also is a big ego boost for you. It's, it's amazing how NBA is such a mental thing. It's a confidence thing. And so once you get that confidence and you believe something, it's going to happen because the mind is such a powerful thing when it comes to certain situations. Even for me,

it's like, okay, I knew at the end of the game, I said, oh, give me the ball. I'm going to make the shot. You have that confidence like, oh, you can't do no wrong. I'm going to make this shot. It's amazing how you can go through a game and you're like, oh, is this going to go in? Is this going to go in? By the end of the game, you're like, oh, I know this is going in.

It's a mental thing, man. It's the most amazing thing, how powerful the mind is. And I think if Clay believes he's the sixth game guy, it's going to happen. But it's going to be up to the other team to be like, you know what? We're starting out from day one,

from the first minute, and we face guard and we're not letting catch and then you know even though i mess up your whole game fan defensively but as an opposing team you got to try to shut them down because that confidence and most players especially elite athlete like play is incredible right and also because it like doesn't make sense i feel like the coach is probably less less likely to be like all right, well, we have to build this game plan around not letting Robert Ory shoot in the last minute or we got to build this.

They say game six clay. So we got to make sure that we're... Because it doesn't fit statistically like how people expect things to do, but it's true. That's why when you talk about analytics, you can throw all that analytical bullcrap out the window because at the end of the day, it comes down to a player's confidence,

a player's heart, and his skill set on the court because analytics, if you know math, you know three is more than two. But do you know what's in my heart and in my head? That's the question. Right.

So Boston, Miami is an interesting series. So I have this like feeling that Miami is going to win. And it's based on nothing other than like, just watching the playoffs for the past, like 10 years. I keep, I keep getting this idea of like teams with certain players or just certain

players. When it's like LeBron have a gravitational equilibrium in the playoffs where LeBron is in the finals. You could just pencil that in. You could get confused thinking about every other team that's playing great right now, but

LeBron's in the finals. For a long stretch when he was with Cleveland-Miami, that was just right until he went to theMiami. That was just right at it. Right until he went to the Lakers. We got one about that. He had a lot of injuries.

The guys never got hurt until he got to the Lakers. It's like people say, okay, the Lakers have won too much. Let's do some things so they cannot win. Right. Philly, i i am a philly fan and i feel like philly mb currently the gravitational equilibrium seems to be second

round for them that's that's where they're ending up boston tatum so far gravitational equilibrium has been conference finals and jimmy butler when he's playing for the heat feels like they want to be in the finals and like this this is the ultimate i just watched basketball i never played it meaningfully take like but i'm curious to hear from you how stupid it is but like do you know what i mean like when you when you were in the finals like your team like just was like your gravitational equilibrium was you were on the winning team and you were hitting big shots warriors when they got clay and steph they want to be in the finals like i don't know that that's the theory that i'm working at i i get what you say there's just certain teams

that seem like the basketball guys are with them, whatever they do, and certain players. I understand that. And, you know, think about it. The Lakers and the Boston Celtics were that team for a long time. And then all of a sudden, you know, there was a rebellion amongst the lower guys, and they made no difference amongst the basketball team.

But, you know, it boils down to consistency to me. And if you look at the team that went to the bubble finals, the Miami Heat, it's pretty much the same team. You look at the team that thrived so well in the bubble, it's all the teams that are in the finals right now. You know, they're all the teams that were – that they've been consistently healthy. They have the same guys who know each other.

Because even, you know, the Phoenix Suns, even though they lost, had one of the best – it was a team that started merging in the bubble and then you look at the miami heat it's the same team that was in the bubble um it's something to do by consistency and then you look at the lakers who won the championship in the bubble the next year different team next year different team right you know you need some continuity when it comes to playing together and plus coaches you know when you're a coach and the season starts, you're like, you scratch your head like, damn, who I got on my roster this year? They're the same.

You know, it can get confusing. And even your teammates are like, oh, I'm going to go over here and work out with KCP. Oh, what? He's not hitting them all? Okay, let me work out with, you know, someone else. What? He's gone? Right.

And it's a – you learn how to play well with others. And that's He's gone? Right. You learn how to play well with others. That's the thing about basketball players. You get this rapport with teammates. You learn how to do things. There are unspoken things you have on the court where you can just smile at a guy. He knows you're going backdoor. You can point at him

and you're going to set a screen. You know you're going to do something different. You get that rapport with one another. Now, trying to do that with a guy on the fly, he's looking at you like, oh, I thought you wanted going to set a screen, you know you're going to do something different. And you get that rapport with one another. But now you're trying to do that with a guy on the fly. He's looking at you like, oh, I thought you wanted me to set a pick. For real, like, no, dude, it was a fake out. Right. And that's why you think about it. Even though how they was talking about they need to break up the Celtics.

And like, oh, they can't play together. I'm like, BS, man. They can play together. You know, they just need to find somebody who's going to play some defense and rebound. And that's what they got. The guys sat down. You know what? We're athletic enough.

We're talented enough. We can play defense. We can score on the other end, but we need to play some defense. And that team has settled down, and they all take the responsibility upon themselves to play individual deep. And the other guy that's not going to get talked about is the fact that he came back to the team. That's a long, long st about is the fact that he came back to the team got the long long stint away from the team he went to philly and he tried to play with him now you

got him back which is key you know i'm talking about right al horford yeah al horford al horford has been playing wonderful to me he is that glue and you need a veteran presence like that on that team. Right. And with him in protocols now, Horford is, you know, and Smart being out for game one, is that a huge gaping hole in the Celtics roster, or do you think they'll be industrious enough to

kind of find a way to still put in some big performances? Hey, we talk about the basketball guys, right? Right. Because I'm just like the basketball guys that don't care. They need to be a Geppetto and play with the selfies

and put them down 1-0, you know? But you never know. You know, when you got a guy like Jason Taylor on your team who can go off at 50 at any moment, and even Brown,

you know, so it's going to be still tough, but I think collectively, if you watch how the Miami Heat played defense as a team, how they played it on Trey when they play Atlanta. I know Trey is a great player. He's a different type of player than, you know, Jason Tatum and Brown. But, oh, my goodness, that defense was stifling, man.

So I think the Miami Heat are going to be ready for it. Yeah. All right. So if you had to pick each series, would you be so kind as to grace us with a pick in each series? I'm taking the Heat and Dallas. Because I'm going with Dallas because they're the hot team. Yeah. I just think that the Dallas can just hit you with four or five different guys who can penetrate

and score. Draymond can't guard everybody. We know Clay is not the defensive player he was three years ago because of all the injuries. I look at Dallas coming out of that series and then Miami coming out of that series and then having a rematch.

What year was that when they both went to the finals? Dirk versus Wade. Yeah. I love that for the NBA. I love that for me. Somebody who is tortured by the Boston Celtics. I like that.

It should be on the Sixers. Jason Tatum should be on the Lakers too. Jason Tatum should be a lot of places too yeah that's true a lot of places yeah yeah most places will take them all right let's take a let's take a quick break and then we'll come back and uh dig in a little bit more on your career wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news, previews,

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Type this into Google. Type in who is statistically greatest clutch shooter NBA history. Tell me what comes up. The top thing, it's not like you gotta click through a link. It's like, you know when Google does the thing where they just lift a piece

of text from the thing. They're like, no, we know. This answer only has one question. The answer is bottom line, Robert Ory. In nine game sevens, he shot 50% or better from the field eight times. His team's record in those games, seven and two. Ory may not have made the most clutch shots in NBA history, but he made some of the biggest.

It's not a coincidence. He owns seven rings. I went and did some. I know you were saying throw the analytics out but i do i i just like we're going to talk about the devots quote where he was like he's just lucky he was in the right place the right time uh and that's obviously incorrect um but like when you look at the analytics there are i think four people who, you know, you're on the list of the most clutch players of all time, like analytically speaking. There are five people who shot 40% or

better across their career in the clutch. Shaq, Dirk, Duncan, Jordan, and Robert Ory. Like, Dirk, Duncan, Jordan, and Robert Ori. That's incredible. Those are hard shots. Again, I can't emphasize enough. We're going to go through some of the clips. But these are not open shots that you're taking. You just know they're going in.

It's truly incredible. I'd love to just hear your favorite buzzer beaters like that you you were involved with oh my goodness you know it's so weird but i've only really have like one buzzer beat and that's what the lake is you know to me buzzer beaters are when you go through the net and the buzzer goes off you know a lot of my shots though you think about what i did and said it turned you into 2005 nba finals they had a chance to come down and win it you buzzer goes off you know a lot of my shots though you think about what i did in san antonio 2005 nba finals they had a chance to come down and win it you know in portland they had a chance to come down and win it you know in iraqis they had a chance to come down and tie it up it's just a lot i could go on and on but you know even the shot i made nobody talks about my first big shot i made

in the nba was in the we were playing to stay out of super suns in the playoffs i hit a shot we go into overtime. We eventually lose that game. But there's shots like that that I've made throughout my career that nobody talks about because it's, you know, we didn't actually win it. And, you know, for me, I just think everybody knows me from the Lakers shot. Everybody looks at that Lakers shot and they talk about, you know, Vlade calling it a lucky shot. But I had already hit a couple threes during the course of the game.

And the problem is when you play with dynamic players like Kobe and Shaq, you might be the hot guy. You ain't going to get no plays ran for you unless you say, hey, dude, I'm hot. Come to me. But, you know, I was never that type of guy. I'm always going to run what the coaches want, even though sometimes coaches think I'm doing my own thing.

And, yeah, defensively sometimes, but not on offense, man. But I just, you know, sit back and wait for you to call my number and hopefully I can come through for you. But it was always fun to be in that position, man. But I never wanted to be in that position, to be honest with you, because I wanted us to be up by 20 where I didn't have to do that. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, you talk about defense. And that is also one of the big reasons you're always on the court at the end of the game. You are still Alabama's all-time blocks leader. You're one of the best defenders on those teams. So you're out there shutting people down enough that they're tired. They forget that you're out there and about to extinguish their souls. I'm still mad at the NBA for my second, third, and fourth years in the league. I'm still mad at them for

putting me on the all-defensive team. Ohio is going to be one of the only guys that have 100 blocks and 100 steals during the course of a season and not be on even a third team. So I'm still mad at the NBA for that. They need to recognize, you know, I think I was overshadowed by Dream always being up there as far as being one of the, you know, defensive players of the year. That's a bad thing, man.

When you have a guy on your team, think about it. When a couple of years where, you know, Steph, you know, he's playing with KD, he's playing with Clay. He can win MVP. You got Kobe playing with Shaq. He can win MVP. You got LeBron, Dwyane Wade, Chris Brock. Those guys playing together.

They can't win MVP. So it's so hard sometimes to be recognized by people when you get overshadowed by superstars. Right. Yeah, yeah. Should we just go through a couple of some of these iconic moments? Some of the greats? Some of the greats?

95 finals? I think, yeah, we can start there. Let's start with the, you said 95 finals, game three? Mm-hmm. I think let's go there. Machine, please give us this magic moment. Using the clock. Shot clock at six. Ori for three! Oh. please give us this magic moment so I think that put you up

four yeah put us up four completely contested too but you just knew I had no intention of passing that ball. This is a series where I had plays ran for me, and I was feeling good, so I would shoot that thing.

And, you know, a little secret right here. People forget that this is the year they moved the three-point line in. Oh, okay. Yeah, so it was a little bit closer than it normally was. So we was raining threes that year. Here's another interesting fact. When this season, this year started out, Kenny Smith was number one, and I was number two for a while, and three-point percentage was going into it.

And neither one of us got invited to the three-point shootout in the NBA. That's why I'm saying I'm so mad at the NBA for a lot of things. They always want to invite me for the Slam Dunk contest. But, dude, I'm not a dunker. I wanted to shoot threes and show everybody what i could do i mean you definitely i remember that dunk on rip hamilton uh that's hey remember that witch yeah let's go to that witch i think yeah game five of the 2005 finals how about that let's bring that one up i want to do like an extended clip because there's a edit of like some of your big shots in this game starting in

the third quarter six seconds left tony parker has the ball at the top like at the logo drive kicked it out to robert right to your spot. Bucket for three. Next bucket. Corner three. Wet. Ginobili kicks it. He did a couple ball fakes. A couple pass fakes.

Again, they didn't know. They didn't know. They didn't know you were about to do this to them. So they go for it. All right. Ginobili goes in, misses. You have a putback. One minute, 45 seconds to go. Another one in Cheese's face.

And then... Ah! Ah! No. I had to thank Bruce all the time for throwing a bad pass. I was going to shoot the three. He threw that at my ankle. Yeah. So, yeah.

You take a second to gather the ball. This is a bad pass. You fall fake. They're coming after you and you just drive it in and dunk over rip Hamilton on the, in a way that is good night. Good night. No,

it's funny. I didn't know until after I saw the replay, it is. I post. Hey, Sean Prince was the block in that. I was like, where did he come from? But when you own fire like that, you see no defense. You don't see anything. Yeah. You are

absolutely on fire right there. You inbound it, and they double Ginobili, and then you're left open still like super contested, but I don't know, man what it was it was a broken play when i saw when she go for the double i stayed i was supposed to leave and cut through and but you know when you hot like that you break plays all the time because every if you notice every

one of those shots were like contested shots so unless you know it wasn't a play ran for me it was me taking it upon myself yeah i'm feeling good to shoot the rock and so i like man run me a plate man give me some buckets man i'm not just a spot up shooter i come off a screen and shoot that j you know right plays of an steve kerr calls those plays of insanity right where it's just like nothing's everybody's just like scrambling the ball's going every which way but yeah that's to to some people like yourself those are opportunities and yeah i think like you were speaking too about the mentality right of how do you stay so consistent down the stretch like that it's really interesting

to watch your face because you don't you're not really you're not overly gregarious after hitting these shots like you can tell you're you're very stoic and you seem so focused. Like even when you're, when you could be celebrating, like your first instinct is almost just to like exhale deeply because you're like, I knew this would happen. It was sort of like the energy and there's something really, it's not like overtly like I'm, you know, obviously you're going to, you're going to celebrate, but your first reaction is always just, it's so intense rather than like outwardly happy or expressive. And I think that does speak to sort of that mentality that you're speaking about. For me, it was all about efficiency of movement. You know, doing all that jumping and

screaming, that takes energy out of you. I ain't doing all that, man. I'm like, I'm trying to save my energy. And it's weird when I come off the court, I don't even like, when I'm feeling good like that, I don't even, you know how people give the high five with the right hand, nobody touch the right hand, I'm doing everything with the left hand, don't touch the right hand you know, because because they might burn themselves

no it's the weirdest thing when you high and some guy comes on the bench and gives you the hardest dabber like I'm like what, why are you in my hand man i need this best of the feeling in my hand now i'm like you know so i've always given i would get left hand man i never do i never do a high five with a right hand so but for me strictly for both exactly when you when you see that clip i really don't i don't realize what i did until the end of the game.

And then you see me at the end of the game and I do a little pump fist. I'm like, I just won game five on the road and I was on fire, you know? Right, right, right. I've just never been the guy, I might talk a little during the game, but I'm not going to be too animated.

If I dunk on someone, I might be a little animated, but other than that not gonna be too animated you might have some if i dunk on someone i might be a little animated but other than that shooting the three i can never understand now why these guys every time they hit a three they want to do some type of motion like oh like that some type of annex i'm like dude wow he's like you should be you acting like that's an anomaly for you to hit a three you should be acting like you've been done that before you know i don't understand why guys will do do it, but that's just the way this game is. Now everybody want to be flashing and have some kind of celebration

for hitting a three. They should have one for when they make a two-two because, hell, that's less often than them three is now. So give me a celebration when you make a two. Alright, and then we gotta do the Lakers. I mean, we got to. This is a play that had me and my dad running

out my house and into the street western conference finals against the kings yeah lakers down 2-1 in the series down to kobe's got it right and he he takes it to the rack. Misses. Shaq gets point blank. Misses the layup. And then beautiful assist from Vladi Divac. Kicks it out to you at the top. To one Robert Orr. Yeah. Let's relive this wonderful moment. Kobe takes it in.

Shaq. Shaq. Yes! Look at you, Rob. The soul locked in. You're not even showing teeth. Tipped out to Ory. Straight on three. Goal! The Rangers have won! Robert Ory. Cue that music. Yo.

And that iconic celebration, too. Hands behind the back. Bro, right. Yeah. Don't put that in the right-handed risk. Don't. Don't.

Right. You know, the funny thing about that shot is every time I see it, I get goosebumps. But the best view of that shot from from overhead when you see the whole arena erupt at the same time. And then you see the ball boy, Dante, streak across the floor. And it was such a fantastic one.

Because when you're growing up a Laker fan, huge Magic Johnson fan, man. And, you know, watching the Lakers play and watch them back when i was you know coming out of college and i saw magic pull his hand oh no they're not gonna win against the board you know so many different moments and to be able to do that in a laker uniform not just in a laker uniform but at home in the staples center in front of our fans because it's not very many moments as a laker player playing with toby shack you get to get the fans to chant your name. But for me, that was the best six months of my life after hitting that shot.

I ain't paid for anything in L.A. Oh, I bet. And you're from L.A.? It was the best six months of my life, man. I mean, you're still good in L.A., I'm sure. I just got to pay for stuff now. Just a little bit. Like I said, you're still good in LA, I'm sure. But yeah. Wow. I just got to paper stuff now. Just a little bit.

Yeah. Cause like I said, I've, I've that moment just for me on a personal level, right? It was so intense. We knew what was on the line there. And when that shot went in, I like, again, the appropriate response was either jump up and down or just run away from the TV screen. Cause I can't believe what I just saw. And I remember my dad and I, we both at the same time were like, we have to get out of here because we just need to scream this out in the street. And it was funny because I

would see other people in the neighborhood also got out of their house because they were like you after you hit the shot. They're like, I got to run towards the bench, whatever that is. And just be like, come on. Everybody was out. So yes, what a, like, such a poignant moment in memory for me. There are very few game-winning actual buzzer beaters that changed who the champion was that season. Like, that shot

doesn't go in. The Lakers are down 3-1. You guys go on to win the title. Well, you know, here's the thing. People always say, oh, we're down 3-1. And I was on a team in 95, down 3-1 to the Phoenix Suns. We came running back to beat them.

And you see what LeBron did lately, you know, against Golden State, down 3-1. So when I tell people that, oh, if y'all went down 3-1 to Sacramento Kings, you might not win it. Hey, you can't, like Rudy T said it best, never underestimate the heart of a champion. When you got Black Mama and the Big Kings, you might not want to, hey, you can't, like Rudy T said it best, never underestimate the heart of a champion. When you got Black Mama and the Big Diesel, anything is possible.

That's right. Even though he wasn't the mama at the time, but you know, he was still Kobe Bryant. Right, right, right. Who was really great. I'm just curious, in that one shot against the Magic, right, you shot that over Horace Grant, who you ended up being teammates with and obviously playing with shack did you was there any ever

discussion like once you guys like what after that did you ever reminisce about that moment at all or just something that you're like don't i know that was rough for you but hey we got a chip together so it's all i talk so much trash can you forget there were three guys on that team from that magic team that we swept let me put that out there like that we swept. Let me put that out there like that. That we swept in the finals. Horace Grant, Brian Shaw, Shaquille O'Neal. So, you know, sweeping those guys was so much fun. But I used to talk a little trash every now and then about it. I said, y'all know what the deal is. Y'all seen it up close and personal.

But I didn't talk too much trash because I didn't want them to think about that. So when we went into the finals, they'd be like, oh, man, the last time we was in there together, we got swept by Robert. Oh, it was rockets. Oh man. Um,

when Vlade said that that was a lucky shot, I mean, maybe he was mad that he hit you with one of the greatest assists of all time as a Laker, but can we just play that clip? Because it's one of the great clap backs. So this is Vlade saying. Post game. Very

hurt. Yeah very hurt. We get it. It was a tough one. Everybody could make that shot. That's the last shot. It's just a lucky shot. That's all. You don't need to have a skill source. In that kind of situation. Just throw it.

Goes in. Goes in. Robert. Vlade was saying that it was basically just a luck shot, that in a situation you just have to throw it up. Was it luck or was there more to it? It wasn't no luck shot. I've been doing that for all my career, so he should know. He better read a paper or something. Read a paper or something.

Love the confidence, man. That's. I love the confidence, man. That's again, the confidence. Funny story behind that. You know, at the time I was mad at ESPN because they had wrote an article about someone.

I don't remember the exact details, but I've always been a big proponent of anytime. There's something bad that happens with an athlete. You want to post it all over your show but anytime something great off the court happens you never talk about that so i was i was mad about something right and so that's why i kind of paused like you should watch espn or something but i said that's why i said read the paper because i didn't want to get espn any love so it got you okay i don't know why I was mad back then, but it was funny. But that's why I said read the paper.

And that was like, that part was literally the last, next to part of the last year, the next to last year, when paper was all in print. Because after that, everything went digital. That makes it a classic line. That makes it a classic line. Right, exactly. And I like that you didn't fumble that clap back. It's that you were very intentionally saying, well, I'm gonna show you it's being loved or like i'm not gonna

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Yeah, we're not going to be like, what's the square root of nine? No, these are just your opinion, your memories. So, but don't think about it too much. There, there's no wrong answers. Just the honest one that comes to you first. So Jack, you want to start it off and then we'll, we'll be alternating. Up first player. You hated guarding the most. Grant Hill.

Okay. Uh, favorite town to eat, favorite town to eat in when you're on the road. Miami. Okay. Favorite player as a kid. Magic. Favorite teammate when you're on the road? Miami. Okay. Favorite player as a kid? Magic. Favorite teammate when you're at Alabama? Me?

You know, it's the people, I gotta get people to go say, why do you say Spree? Why do you say Dave? But you know what? I'm not gonna lie. Keith Askin.

Keith Askin. Okay. Keith Askin. Keith Askin. Favorite teammate while you were in the league? Sam Cassell. Okay. Who's your favorite artist to listen to before a game when you get in the zone? Chuck D. Public Enemy. Favorite title run? 95.

But see, that's kind of a trick question because 95 and 2001, but 95, they're tied because 16- 1 no home court advantage so 95 and 2001 okay thank you thank you for protecting my laker heart on that one uh who are your top three nba all-time magic dominique mj Magic, Dominique, MJ. Best coach in NBA history. Did they coach me or just who I would love to have played for or whatnot? Just in your opinion of who the best coach is in NBA history.

You know what? That's a hard question because I would love to have played for Don Nelson because I see what he did for Sprewell and how good he made that team. And I've played for Phil team. I played for Field. I played for Pop. Two great coaches, but only one of them made me play, and that was Rudy T. On a selfish side,

I'm going to take Rudy T. There you go. Who is the best coach you ever played under? I mean, from when you were a kid up until the NBA, is there anybody that you hold a special place in for your heart, a coach? Richard Robinson, who was my high school coach.

You know, he helped me become a man, man, because when you're in high school, you can be a little bit childish, but he helped me. You know, he made me mature. He made me show some discipline. So Richard Robinson, my high school coach. All right. One player who's played since you retired who you wish you could have played with?

Well, see, that's kind of a hard question because I was going to say LeBron, but I think I would have loved to have played with Jimmy Butler. I think he and I had the same type of attitude playing. You know, he put our teammates before us, and he played good defense. So I would say Jimmy Butler. All right. And finally, one player you wish you could. I would say Jimmy Butler. Alright, and finally, one player you wish you could have competed against?

Larry Bird. Okay. Larry Bird. Because, you know, growing up, I played against Scottie, who I love, Magic, who I love, Dominique, who I love. You know, and the one guy that I didn't get to go up against, because you judge yourself on how

you play them. So Larry Bird is the guy I wanted to play, but his last year was my first year, and he didn't play his last year due to a back injury. Right, right, right. And is there anything specifically that in your mind, you're like, I really want to test my gangster against this dimension of his game? No, you hear the rumors,

and you see it, how much he talk trash. And I just wanted to see what he would have said against some young, brash guy from Alabama trying to guard this legend of Larry Legend.

And just to see how if I could have held my own. You know, he probably gave me 10, 15, 20, or 30. Who knows? But I just wanted to, you know, rate myself versus the great ones. And that's why I always wanted to play this game to rate myself versus the great ones, and that's why I always wanted to

play this game, rate myself versus the great. I heard he retired because he saw you coming. I heard he saw you enter the league and retired. That bad danger, he was capping. He was like, oh, my back. You probably saw this 6'9 guy, athletic, can guard anybody anytime.

I won't doubt that. He probably said, oh, I got to hang him up. He can play and defend against the three and the four and he can shoot oh no just jokes larry just jokes larry jokes of course of course this has been amazing uh thank you so much uh we're we're so grateful that you you took the time to talk to us absolutely you talk about finals files a little bit nba finals file is a great project you can find on iheart on most of your podcasts it's with me and jabari jabari great host man he's one of the best guys great voice you know nice shiny bald head you know sometimes i had to wear my glasses when i'm doing it because that bald head's so bright but you know it's so fun man we do a deep

dive into the greatest nba finals and it's fun to talk about like you guys did now you get to show some of the clips that we you know we've seen some of the you know here's some of the clips and just relive those magic moments man and you think about it you'll watch a game and you're like okay that was a good game but when you watch a whole you know seven game series or six game series and you constantly watch the guys you're breaking it down from a you know analytical standpoint it is it is so fun to see how great these guys were and you know the how well they played together. And it's just fun, man.

The hardest games are the ones I played in because I'm very critical of myself. So I had to make sure I don't talk bad about myself on the show. I mean, that shouldn't be too hard. At the time that you retired, 12% of all finals wins. Me and Steve Kerr? of all finals wins that is me and steve kerr i mean yeah that's wild man that is you know for 10 years straight steve kerr and i were the only ones winning championships wow it was like which one's gonna do it this year yeah you think that he was thinking oh let's get one of these guys on my team. It's a guarantee us a win.

It's so funny. My last year in the league, I wasn't going to go back to the Spurs because my contract was up. I said, you know what? I want to play one more year. And I called. I looked around the league. I was like, Orlando. I said, I called up Orlando.

I said, okay. Because I was doing that more so for my kids. We'd go down to Florida. No state tax. There's sunshine. We'd go down to Florida. No state tax. There's sunshine. We've got Disney right there. I was trying to play it that way. Oh, we don't need you.

And so they ended up going to the finals. And I saw, I can't remember the GM's name. God can't remember his name. And so when I saw him, because I was doing something for the NBA at the game, I saw him. I walked up to him. I said, see, if you either have me on your team, you know I win every other year.

I said, I win every other year, man. Look it up. Look it up. Should read the paper or something. Yeah, exactly. Oh yeah, and by the way, I don't lose in the final. Step up, baby. That's right. Check the books. Check the paper.

Alright. Thank you so much,bert or thanks guys it was fun absolutely uh check back in with us next week we'll obviously continue further into the conference finals uh and until then thanks for listening to jack or no thanks for listening to miles and jack got mad boosties and we'll see you next time yeah Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie. Next week, I'm still going to be talking about this conversation. Do you remember when Robert Ory said this? I've been texting all my homies, and I said, Robert Ory likes my Purple Rain shirt. That's where I'm at.

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