The Daily Zeitgeist - NBC vs AOC, IG Activism 8.20.20

Episode Date: August 20, 2020

In episode 698, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Charla Lauriston to discuss AOC's appearance at the DNC, Americans not being satisfied with the treatment of Black people, Instagram activism, more evidence of cops lying, and more!FOOTNOTES: The Absurd Reality of Being Black in America Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez accuses NBC of spreading misinformation after DNC speech AOC symbolically nominates Bernie Sanders in 60-second DNC speech Satisfaction with treatment of Black Americans lowest since first measured in 2001: Gallup The Lazy Liberalism of Instagram Slideshows Video of Raptors President Masai Ujiri, security guard encounter released as Ujiri files countersuit WATCH: The Comet is Coming - Birth of Creation Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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episodes of rip current early and completely ad free and receive exclusive bonus content by subscribing to iheart true crime plus only on apple podcasts hello the internet and welcome to season 147 episode 4 of the daily zeitgeist a production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into American shared consciousness and say officially off the top, fuck the Koch brothers. Fuck Fox News. Fuck Rush Limbaugh. Fuck Buck Sexton.

Fuck Ben Shapiro. Fuck Tucker Carlson. Fuck that cop who pushed Masai Ujiri at Oracle after the finals in 2019. We finally got the full video of that shit. Could we do an entire 90-minute episode where it's just a fuck-em list? We should. That should be our, like,

thousandth episode or whatever. Yeah, it'll be like, who's Broussard? Was it Zach Broussard who does the thousand comedians list? Yeah, yeah, the thousand. It's like ours, but it's like the right-wing fuckery list

that we call out. I'm down uh it's thursday august 20th 2020 my name is jack o'brien aka they hear me struggling they talking think i'm drunk because i'm overworking try and catch me dirty try and catch me dirty try and catch me dirtyidon dirty. Try and catch me Zidon dirty. That is courtesy of Johnny Davis. And I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Myles Gray. This goes out to my beloved Kirk Siggy. There's nothing compares, nothing compares to cold brew compares to cold brew. To cold brew. I like that other part when they're like, but he's a fool.

When talking about the doctor, there's like in the Prince version. Depends on the cover. Sometimes you get that he's a fool line really lived. But shout out to Christy Yamaguchi-Main at Crispy Mean B for that Sinead O'Connor inspired, a.k.a. But I was also thinking Prince and I was also thinking this other guy who does a looping version that I saw on Vimeo about 10 years ago. Yeah.

That's a great Prince song and also a great performance. The emotion in Sinead's voice really, she really brings it. Shout out to Reddren, shanae o'connor uh well we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious the talented charla laura stone it is it is it is it's me welcome welcome what's up you know i'm out here yeah i'm alive i'm still still trucking along how's the heat i'm dying i've got a fan on me right now i hope you can't hear it no no not at all i think we're all that do you have uh any heat heat wave survival tactics you use to like i sit directly in front of the air conditioner okay that's a good one that i have one yeah yeah i'm like what if i was poor and didn't have an air conditioner

oh man i had a i live in you know the the valley gets hot and like two summers ago my ac broke down like when it was 112 where the players dwell uh and it was so hot in my house we had to get like this like weird emergency air conditioner they had to just load up with ice but like the ambient temperature was so hot outside of it like the ice just turned to water so quick it was miserable so i went to my time on her hand that blows over ice it's like it uses like it's like evaporates it uses like this water tank to like cool the air with evaporation but you add the ice to get it even colder but either way i always stick to the old school which was the wet towel fully uh covering my covering my body i haven't had to do that yet and people seem to think because i'm caribbean

because i'm haitian that i suggest genetically be able to withstand the heat and i'm absolutely miserable in the heat it's nothing to do like I don't know what that has to do. It's hot. Physiologically, I should be okay in the heat because I sweat no matter what. But actually, my sweat stresses me out just because of social conditioning. So I end up getting sweatier and sweatier

and then I just get real thirsty. Compounding sweatiness. Jack, I literally had to meditate my way out of being stressed about sweating. That's amazing. I've had to just accept that I'm wet and I'm uncomfortable. Accept that you're wet. Accept that you're wet. Accept that you're wet.

I mean, that's all. Please don't fret. Just accept that you're wet. Get it. That's a good mantra to live by. I thought you were going to say it's so hot that you're experiencing retrograde sweating or something like that. I don't have any idea what retrograde sweating is, but I've truly just had to be like, you

got to just be, you just got to accept that's how the cookie crumbles. It's hot. I'm sweating. It's gross. My skin is just dry coughing yeah it's out of water um oh my god it is it is hot in the southwest right now yeah it's hot too yeah yeah uh shout out to the firefighters and all the people who are having to deal with oh yeah especially in the bay area man black, I saw that too.

Yeah. The air quality is so bad. And with COVID too, you know. No way. Yeah, please. Like even more, you have to stay indoors depending on your air quality. So yeah, please be safe to everybody.

And shout out to the firefighter homies that I got out there on the strike teams who are actually being paid rather than like the chattel slavery, like prison fire workers. Prison fire workers, right. there on the strike teams who are actually being paid rather than like the chattel slavery uh like prison fire workers prison fire workers right do they uh did death valley hit the hottest temperature in the history of the planet earth reliably recorded hottest temperature reliably recorded 129.9 i read yeah allegedly we it. I like to read news about heat.

Yeah, me too. To make me feel better about the heat that I'm in. Oh, just like relative to you? Well, at least I'm not in Death Valley, you know? Yeah. You might be uncomfortable, but at least we're unprecedentedly uncomfortable. Right. Historically.

Yeah, then the nihilism grows and you're like, oh, okay. So now we're getting the hottest ever temperatures on the surface of the planet and then my mom's still are you gonna have a baby when are you gonna have a baby and i'm like really right now right like unless right now is going to be dr manhattan right and just right all the wrong somehow i don't know manhattan will be underwater that will be like a future X-Men is going to be like somebody who can just regulate their body temperature to exist without air conditioning. That'll be.

Oh, God. I think they're trying to make genetically modified babies right now. Aren't they? Like, aren't rich people? I'm totally. I could totally be making this up. No, no. I think you're right.

I'm right about genetically modified babies and i feel like why not make your baby be able to withstand climate change brilliant yeah yeah i think a lot of the designer babies are more like designer babies that's what they are yeah just you know i think i don't know if they're going if who's really forward thinking and they're like i want this child to not fret when they sweat and accept that they wet. I think right now all they're doing is like blue eyes. Right. Exactly.

Blue eyes, tall. I want a blue eyed baby. I think they can avoid like certain maladies. Diseases. Yeah. Nice, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you have the sickle cell trait

or the sickle cell gene or something, they can extract it. Or male pattern baldness. All the bad ones. Yo, my pair is fucked up. Why wasn't I a designer? Come on. God.

See, this is why we need time machines. I know. You know, honestly, I was on this podcast called Bald Talk that's on our network, on the Big Money Players Network. It's coming. It hasn't launched yet. Oh, shit. Never mind. Never mind mind never mind no no you can talk about it oh it's coming but yeah i think we've announced it oh yeah yeah it's it's announced uh but like on that i was actually like as it's like you know just bald dudes kind of shooting the shit with each other talking about

their you know hair loss journeys and i was thinking like yeah actually the net the benefit has been i've it's an accelerated acceptance of my aging aging and what I should look like or be like. But also, I wouldn't mind having the sharp hairline again. Right, right, right. Just for the aesthetics. I don't need it to be happy, but it would be cool just to do one Instagram story and be like, ah, it's back, y'all.

You just got to get that procedure that that one barber advertised where did you see that where he was like uh yeah like hairline restoration and it goes from like one shot where he's like you know shaping up the sides and then like cut to the guy's like a full head of hair and he's just like people are wondering how i did this here's just like a step by step procedure he totally omits the fact that the guy suddenly has like an amazing head of hair after being completely bald oh man well yeah get at me but i don't want to put like fish food on my head you know like i see a lot of people flaking it on you know whatever i'll do it either way the there are more pressing issues than my male pattern baldness yeah what if it's the fact that i can't grow a beard what if you didn't develop this sense of confidence

if you already had a head of hair right i think i'd be like yeah i don't know i don't want to be like confident you know because you never had to like build up your character you'd be a douche right pretty much exactly thank you blue-eyed full head of hair miles green looking like eric sermon's nephew or something right uh all right let's talk about real quickly what we're talking about today and then we'll get to know you a little bit better charlotte uh we're going to talk about uh we're just going to check in real quick with the uh dn, VDNC. We're going to talk about Americans being not satisfied with the treatment of black people. We're going to talk about IG slideshow activism.

And we'll talk about that Masai Ujiri video that finally emerged of what actually happened at the end of the finals last year. I was actually glad to finally see this because this is what i suspected and it is uh just moment for moment exactly what i suspected happened salty ass cop salty ass cop uh chewing his gum angrily for like the two minutes before mess Jerry like comes towards them. Anyways, before we get to any of that, Charlie, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are?

I just, I've been Googling how to take care of plants because my friend got me a money plant. She sent me a plant through the mail and it's my my only plant. And I don't want to kill it. So I've been like Googling how to take care of this specific plant. What is a money plant? Yeah. Oh, it brings money? Like good luck? It's the one that has like the trunks kind of looks like it's braided.

Yes, it is. How do you know? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yes, it is. It's the braided branch. And it's, how do you take care of it? You only have to water it once a week. I can't water it with tap water i have to let the tap water sit out overnight because there's like a lot of um there's like chlorine and like other things in the tap water that could kill the plant

so i let the tap water sit out overnight sometimes i buy spring water for this plant oh my goodness and even if i get the spring water you don't want to put like ice cold water in this plant you want to like let it get to room temperature so it doesn't shock the plant so there's a lot that's going into it that i didn't realize and and it and i've learned why i've killed so many plants in the past so you are raising this like you are raising this plant yeah this is my and it's called a money plant so i'm hoping when this plant eventually becomes eligible for the draft of a professional sport it will remember these contributions and return the favor financially buy me a house plant i feel like pet owners are kind of smug they're like you know taking care of a living thing but your dog tells

you when it's thirsty tells you when it's hungry uh and also will drink from the toilet and be fine whereas you have to buy like perfectly pristine spring water for your plant that's that's next level uh i'm just like how long will i be taking uh it's true i mean this plant can't i feel like i'm having to learn the language of the plant you know like when the leaves i have already mistreated it a little bit like i've cut off some of its leaves but like because i put it next to a curtain you know what we don't have to talk about oh yeah as a plant mom um is it weird or lame to call myself a plant mom i don't know but i'm gonna do it because this is this is what i'm taking care of right now taking raising these plants raising these plants this one at a

time actually yeah one at a time it's braided i love it yeah that's that's me right now keeping it chill keeping it low key nice with the plant life what is something you think is overrated i mean i've been on this show a bunch of times and i can't remember what i've said at this point but still if i've said it before once again the police absolutely overrated wait what happened now oh just you know regular shit i think that musayu jerry uh video you know reignites the rage i mean not to mention the like you know the we even the pandemic we're seeing statistically police shootings have not gone down. They've not gone down. Nothing's really. I saw that like the largest police union endorsed Trump or like sent him a bunch of or donated to his campaign or something like that.

like even after being kind of you know called out on their racism and inaction have just doubled down you know after whining of course yeah just and and you know denying denying culpability they've just like doubled down and like insisted that they're douches and that they want to align themselves with this kind of um ideology which we always knew the entire time anyway but it's just like it's just more surreal watching them do it openly in the daylight and it's just like wild to see like the the violent thrashings of white supremacy like as it's dragged out into the sun more like when it was just like right up in the shade and people knew it was there it was like well it's there at least not in the sun and but now it's being dragged out and it's like like doing everything it can to just like fuck you up for doing that but that's the thing is like we have to endure

this process because this is not some this is not ideology that just came up on like tiktok overnight this is centuries of momentum it did not come up overnight and i was seriously just thinking about the fallacy and the danger of that of um cooperating with white supremacists under the guise of like reaching across the aisle under the guise of like working together in partnerships um and it's just like reaching across the aisle to what i remember like watching this stuff on tv and i'm just like you across the aisle to what i remember like watching this stuff on tv and i'm just like you're literally you don't negotiate with terrorists like you're literally reaching across the aisle to what what are they gonna do white supremacists like you're not gonna

compromise with this person you legitimizing their stance in the first place is bananas and bonkers and absolutely ill-fated it's never going to work and it's just like you know i you you just ruminate on these things as you watch what happens in the country and it's just like this that is the fallacy of like the white liberal mindset of let me stay in the middle let me not rock the boat you know what i mean and it's just like i think like you know moderate, you know, moderate Democrats, you know, people who followed Trump but insisted that they were not racist. They have to they have to reckon with this as much as white supremacists have to, you know, like your white supremacists like coddling and soft glove stance with it is also should also come into question. You know, these people don't do it alone they're not on an island they have help they have accomplices yeah i feel like it's more and more

that line is being drawn uh that doesn't surprise me at all but it's taking a really long time but it's it's finally happening and i'm just like maybe it just took america maybe we have to really really it had to get down to this it had to get real bad for people to understand what's at stake yeah and i'm glad it's finally happening it's like also this like continuum of of people who live here and the timeline on which they begin to see how bad things are in the country and how bad the policies have been since time immemorial yeah and i think for if you're part of a marginalized group whose history already intersects with the brutal nature

of this country and its government, then you've probably, you're a little bit quicker up the timeline of being like, I don't really, I don't have like star spangled lenses on when I look at this place. I'm looking at it through the lens of like, yeah, like I'm hurting, my family's not doing well. I have people who don't have health insurance,

people who don't know if they'll ever go to college, people who will never own a home. That's one lens people look at it through. And then there are people who through their privilege and the hand they're dealt are blessed enough that those ills might not be as close to them. So they're all kind of looking like, what's everyone complaining about?

It's not that bad. And that's the moment where you have to say, please take a moment to just take a moment. don't think what's wrong with these people just think is it possible that the country could be that bad experientially for some people that live here is that possible if you can acknowledge that then you have to be able to begin taking those next steps of like okay well then there's something we can do to ask for better because of this i feel like our mistake for so long was this um like assuming that americans were more morally exceptional than they actually were that people could see this without it personally directly

affecting them and i kind of just feel like okay it just took your country your democracy literally crumbling and you understanding that my liberation is also your liberation you understanding that if you watch the police murder a black person in daylight that affects you too sandra bland is also you so is eric garner it's not just some black man. It is a human being with human rights. And when you let that person's human rights go, yours come into question too. And I feel like everybody's blinders, you know, this false sense of security that people have had that's had to come crashing down. It's jarring. And put us all in danger, you know. um it's jarring and put us all in danger you know like so so it just also feels just like yeah like we all have to literally come to like the crossroads of we might all like it might get

really really bad just for people to realize that hey um a black life matters yeah and just to be yeah and to be honest enough to say it's bad it It's really bad. And it might not be my fault, but the first step is just to acknowledge that it's bad for many other people. And then, again, nobody's going to say, why did you do this? It's like saying, we need more people to realize that it's bad. So when you see things like Medicare for All

or student debt relief, be like, nah, we're not going to get to that. Be like, well, hold on. Because even though my debts are paid off or I have a six-figure income in which I don't have to worry about my student debt dot dot dot dot there are people who are in the completely antithetical position the complete opposite position of me and they do need help and there isn't anything wrong for advocating on their behalf because you should be like well yeah i'm chilling i would like everybody to be chilling

i think like even putting it in the terms of like you know let's pay off everybody's debt which i feel like okay that would be if we paid off people's federal student loans that would be amazing but even if we don't pay off everybody's debt you know making it so that literally anybody could go to college that is to me is is what we're talking about it's not talking about like giving people letting people off scot-free, which people don't like to see if that's the case. And it's like, all right, fine. If we don't want to see people off scot-free, just make it so that nobody should have to worry about the cost of going to college. Nobody should have to get into crushing debt to go to college. Why can't we have free

state college? Why can't we have free public college? You can still have your Harvards. You can still have your insanely overpriced colleges but as long as everybody has access to education that's that's the point yeah it's and it's about just like beginning to reformat this idea of things that we've culturally been like shovel fed the idea of like our privileges like it's a privilege to go to the university it's a privilege to get health care it's a fucking privilege to be able to live. Like, we have to begin shifting these things

for the, like, normal thing to say is these shit, these things are rights and these things should be free. Like, and if we got to break it down for Gen Z,

it should be like, the new campaign is that shit should be free. Medicare, your medical insurance, that shit should be free. It's just like, if I'm going to pay taxes,

why should my taxes go to a murdering police station right you know like i don't know if this is also true but i feel like i read i'm not gonna say i feel i think i read that um a lot of these civil suits that families bring against police are paid out of the police budget. So they're paid out of tax payers budget. Especially in LA, that's 100%. Yeah. So it's like, why aren't they being paid?

Why aren't these, uh, why are the taxpayers having to foot the bill for murder? That doesn't make any sense. We are paying the insurance policy to keep them. Yes. At the very least, like it should,

it should hit their budget in a way that they are permanently uh they get there's a permanent cost to lives lost for no reason it's just nothing makes sense i was just gonna talk about this brianna taylor thing because i keep saying like i feel like this call to you know arrest the cops it's like why are we talking about arresting cops these guys are following orders what about the mayor what about the what about the people who who called for who let the no no no warrant happen the state ag like it's just like you know we it's to me it's the same thing as like blaming individual white people for racism which i which nobody is doing but white people sometimes seem to think

that that's the case it's like it's not this individual thing it's like this very structural thing that could change so that when individuals don't follow you know protocol when individuals hurt other individuals they you know we have structure set up so that they pay exactly so that they pay consequences for it and i think everything's stupid that's what we'll kind of get into that sentiment too with this sort of like ig activism thing because it's taking something that's really complex that makes sense which is arrest the people that killed brian like yes very narrowly absolutely these people murdered her right so get them but there's also this thing where we're taking like that, whereas activists are thinking on a much larger scale.

But we have this thing where we were starting to distill it down to these really oversimplified sentiments. And we're losing the real thrust of what we are, what we've been screaming for. What we're screaming for is policy, fundamental structural change. That's what we're screaming for. Yeah, but they're like, but this but this uh precinct captain yes can break dance like he was in breaking too yes like and he kneeled yeah and he did the black power fist and he took a picture with some little black kids on a basketball court it's like get out of here and i feel like on the other side of that line that's being drawn the

like when we saw when we looked at that clip of the new york police union representative like just having a crying complete yeah like a tantrum absolute tantrum like this is there's been this underlying sort of alliance between white supremacists and the police and a feeder system of you know back and forth white supremacists and the police and a feeder system of back and forth, white supremacists becoming police, police becoming white supremacists. There was an open white supremacist gang in the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department.

And I can easily, just like looking at the next 10 years, whether Trump wins or loses and claims the election was rigged or loses convincingly but everybody's mad about it like i could really see this sort of you know the developing fascist wing of our country allying itself with this sort of uh temper tantrum police force that feels like it's losing power and like that just needs to be something that we're prepared for because america is not above that and that is how you know

that how things just completely fall apart and it seems like it's happening in real time in front of us yeah our president is stoking that fire actively daily yeah yeah and now that he's stoked it i just don't know how you put it out without just completely uh abolishing the existing police force um like yeah and then and then just again like you said you drag all this white supremacist shit out into the sun it's gonna start thrashing same yeah it's gonna and like we're not even beginning to see what that thrashing looks like with law enforcement because like right now they're just dealing with a lot of people who are saying a lot of things and municipalities some are acting quicker than others but it's not quite

getting to that existential point and i can only we've only seen the kind of underhanded bullshit tactics like they put a tampon in my frap. Or whatever the fake shit is. Like, what that looks like when they need more hardcore narratives to justify their abuse. And all that this, this is all being caused by, like, the only reason we have these conversations around these specific incidents is because we're able to see specifically what is happening on video without that without

that objective evidence like none of this happens so it's just them being caught and then being like fuck you right for catching us um white supremacy is kind of like fucking like narnia or some shit like only the people that seen it believe in it. And other people will be like, ah, come on. That's a bunch of mollusks. And I'm like, look in my fucking eyes. I have been to motherfucking Narnia,

bro. I'm not lying. This shit is fucked up. It's so true. Please believe me. Look at all these other people. Millions of us have seen it and just trust us. And look,

even your friend who you thought would never have been to Narnia, he had also been to Narnia. Can you please understand? This is not some fake shit. It's like there's levels where you almost, some people just, if they haven't experienced it firsthand, they're just so unwilling to just acknowledge the sort of the dark depths that these institutions can go to. Right.

I wrote this essay called The Abs absurd reality of being black in america just this one essay after i was devastated after george floyd but i'll share it with you guys because that's what it's talking about oh fantastic oh awesome yeah is it online so we can link off yeah yeah in the footnotes right now oh yeah everybody's gonna see it in the footnotes all right let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk your underrated myth. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today.

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i have not worked in a writer's room since last since the end of last year and um this has been like the longest stretch of me just working on my own projects and then also the bittersweet blessing I call it of the pandemic which has slowed the world down to a crawl and which has just like made my life so quiet and just let me think for such a long time um and it's just made me really love this time this sounds really terrible no no but aside from what's going on in the world like i've just had a lot of time to work and think on my own projects and imagine what my life might look like if I wasn't working for somebody all the time. And it's been really cool.

And I want to do more like more of that. So more of that. Yeah, just kind of getting more in touch sort of like with your own creative capability. And it's like not beholden to the expectations of someone else who's like, I need this product and I will use all of your combined intellect to make it for me right yeah for sure yeah it's it's all i i think the other thing too where you're saying it's like it feels bad to say that because i know like yeah like when you're empathetic like there's there is this like survivor's guilt of like man like i'd really it it knowing there's so much suffering is so difficult and then like sometimes i take it i don't give myself enough space to not be completely consumed by it and not get completely dark and down by it

so it's like i think to your point it's also like really good to have those moments where you can just see like within your own immediate life experience that you've you can carve out these moments to give yourself some kind of you know stability and solace because we got to keep our batteries charged for a fucking long time so yeah get those charges whenever you can i learned a long time ago how to compartmentalize this kind of thing you know like yes because the world's always gonna do some fucked up shit like i think there's always going to be something nothing's gonna be perfect and i like i was talking about acceptance earlier of like being able to just accept your sweat and this is part of that like just being able to accept that the

world is not perfect people are not perfect but i can still have genuine moments of joy during the pandemic and not feel guilty about my joy and like really be in the moment and present and grateful for being alive not not having a situation where i'm struggling where uh my family is struggling like i feel like really really grateful um because i know it could be so much worse. And so I'm not going to, like I don't let what's going on make me just like, make me not be able to fully enjoy my life. Right, while also not becoming like apathetic

or disaffected by everything else. Yeah, it's true that you, like we can hold many realities to be true. And I have those moments, of course, but I can only do that for so long. Yeah, shout realities to be true. And I have those moments of course, but you know, I can only do that for so long. Yeah. Shout out to my therapist.

I have to say, I highly recommend like a very dumb person's, uh, understanding of Buddhism and the concepts of Buddhism because, uh, I've just like started to think about like the very most basic ideas of like, yeah, when you have stress,

just experience the stress and don't be like stressed out by the stress but like you know that is part of the human experience and like observing the stress and I got all that from this new book I got Idiot's Guide to Buddhism and no I just

like picked it up in a couple different places but it really is like just a very basic idea that i feel like in the western world we're not as familiar with so much is about control yeah and to experience emotions that are sort of run counter to like you know satisfaction or just like sort of like this flatlining stability like yeah you're like you you're like i don't want to be stressed and now you're stressed because you don't want to be stressed. And now you're stressed because you don't want to be stressed. And to your point, it's just be like, yo, you know what?

These are tools, like over millions of years, this like physical corpse I'm in, like develop these weird ways of figuring shit out through the brain and eyes and ears and all that shit to stay alive. And some of that shit is a little dated. So sometimes the alarms go off when they don't need to, but it's about saying like, oh, okay. So the alarm went off on the back door oh it's just windy it's not this one there's not somebody didn't break in it's just windy and it doesn't close all the way so sometimes it goes off like that and just be able to and i think the most important

part is telling yourself that you consent to feeling that way yeah that's an important step in sort of dealing with those emotions being like taking a breath and be like i'm like i consent to being stressed because i know that's not solely what my existence is that's just a sensation i'm feeling and i consent to that i just started being able to enjoy sundays because sundays used to be the i would be about the fact that my happy relaxing time was coming to an end yeah so it's like i'm stressed by happiness because the happiness is fleeting and it's just like that's that's something that like when even joy uh make gives you anxiety like that's a problem wait until you can experience joy on monday like when it comes on sunday yep monday's here it's doing some stuff i

don't want to do have you guys ever watched midnight gospel yeah it's old yeah i feel like it came out a while ago but i literally just started watching it like last night and it's amazing i love it so much it talks about very profound. It's an animated show that talks about these really profound issues. Yeah, it's Duncan Trussell talking to, he's kind of a trippy, what would a psychonaut? He has done a lot of thinking and experimenting with the psychedelic things and just has really interesting thoughts.

with the psychedelic things and just has really interesting thoughts. And so it's one of the rarest type of shows in that you can totally enjoy it as a purely audio experience. You can enjoy it purely as a visual experience. And then when they link together, it's pretty cool too. It's excellent.

I love it. What is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? Here's something I've been reading, which is that black women will save us. Which is a hilarious myth that I don't know why. Don't worry, black women will save us. I think they're trying to compliment black women, but i'm just like nah girl i'm i'm not saving a damn thing but myself i'm tired i'm exhausted and i mean what's wrong with you know

america saving itself yeah well i think it's so disingenuous because it completely leaves out the part that black women and and then people who are voting in the sense like x group will save us it's because there's an existential threat right and that's motivated versus other people like well thank god it's not bad enough for me but for these black women thank god they turned out because without that shit uh all these apathetic people i know are gonna just stay at home or not save your head i can't help but laugh at how bad it's got had to get for people to start being like, you know what? I think these crazy black women might be on to something. I think they've been screaming their heads off for years and they might be right.

It wasn't just anger. Yeah. They're not just an angry black woman. Turns out there's things to be mad about. Huh? Did you guys watch Watchmen? Because a lot made oh anyway it's really fun either way you like comic books check it out no i mean like this kind of thing where people were like i'm starting to see nuances a little bit but hey baby steps it seems like

this place uh all right let's talk about the dnc since we were talking around the dnc a moment ago let's talk about the dnc uh the convention is happening uh sort of it's happening online uh and happening in hearts and minds and hearts and minds it is so one kind of weird uh feature of the conventions i mean we've been talking about how there there was even a question of whether aoc was going to get to speak at all at the convention uh and then the the dnc gave in and were like all right we'll give her a 90-second speech seconding the nomination of Bernie Sanders, which is a thing that happens every year. If somebody got any delegates in the primary, then somebody at the convention nominates them.

Yeah, and then it's like a very procedural, and now I give you my delegates, baby,chy smoochy let's go let's go do this thing in november it's like very just just optical you know it's just the protocol right uh interesting that the dnc was deciding whether or not to even let her speak and gave her this position which is such a you know like it doesn't seem like it would give her an opportunity to like really speak to the central like tenants of what is happening with the party she used it to do so by like speaking about all of the ideals and you know energy that pushed the uh progressive movement uh behind the bernie sanders campaign forward uh and then only at the end really mentioned sanders but the the way it was

greeted by uh the mainstream media which is sort of you know it seems like it is the propaganda arm of the mainstream democratic party. And a lot of cases, uh, they were like, look at her. She is snubbing. Biden, uh,

is essentially how they covered it. Yeah. Um, which is completely there. There can't be anybody at NBC news who actually thought that, right. I wouldn't, uh,

I mean, who knows? I mean, unless like Tom Perez literally just like hit somebody up over there. I was like, yo, write this up real quick. Say that she's Snow Biden, all right? And then make her look like she's, you know, a threat to the party and a rabble rouser. I mean, again, the way they recontextualize it, the tweet that NBC, it's all about this NBC tweet.

Like it all, this is what kicked it all off. They had the video embedded in the tweet and said, in one of the shortest speeches of dnc representative ocasio-cortez did not endorse joe biden and then they put a quote quote i hereby second the nomination of senator bernard sanders of vermont for the president of the united states of america essentially making it seem like she went up there to be like no y'all i'm right i vote bernie and she has been saying she will support biden since it became clear that he was the presumptive. Like there was there was never any friction there, aside from maybe not as being as enthusiastic out the gate. But never was there a question about backing up the ticket and that she would support Biden.

That was happening back in April or March, I believe. To do this and just to smear her and recontextualize this as a Biden snub is so it's so transparent that this is like another attempt to try and take this like progressive element that is that is growing within the Democratic Party and try and paint it as this sort of like ungrateful bratty group where they're going try and flip the tables yeah exactly the way they see it when really we're always up against this thing where i think a lot of progressives are saying like we're calling extremism the demand for like equality across the board that's what you know yeah the contrast of this i mean i've criticized i've been criticizing the democratic party for a very long time um and the contrast of this is I don't remember this much pushback within the Republican Party when the Tea Party started to crop up. Like I didn't see this much infighting. I didn't see this much attempt to subdue the growing tide. I don't remember seeing that.

I don't remember seeing that. But like when you watch the Democratic Party, I feel like they're they're just desperation to hold on to the status quo. Their desperation to. To paint themselves as morally superior than the Republican Party when they're doing a lot of the things that are, you know, holding back change um i just can't respect it's really hard to respect them like i watch i've been watching the dnc uh i've been watching it i've been watching i watched michelle obama's entire speech twice because she truly is like i think an outlier amongst the democratic party she's they're so lucky to have her as a spokesperson but they don't deserve her at all yeah well i think the difference too is like you know the tea party was astroturf you know that's just completely made up and that was at the end of the day even like them as an insurgent movement within a party the aims were still to maintain like the status quo of like the business class

and progressive politics is runs completely afoul of that when you're demanding equality that means less profits for companies that have just been making money hand over fist by fucking people over and i mean even like when you when we're thinking about all the you've the the shit that we need like the temperatures are hitting the record highs on the surface of the earth i mean like what are y'all saying as a party because if this shit is that bad why what is going on with this they're screaming from the rooftops we're shills yeah we have no more we're morally bankrupt it was like we get it there was that tweet that i forget who had it where it was like us give us equality and it says gop and it's just straight text no and then it says democrats no but it's like the like lgbtq flag uh like a heart emoji and then hashtag black lives matter

damn oh they're such bullshitters i mean i think it's sometimes helpful to think about the Republican Party as sort of an insurgency in that they know they have the smaller numbers in what is ostensibly a democratic system. So they have to cheat. They have to do outside things. help they can get if it's the tea party especially if it's you know doing the bidding of like if anything it is even more focused on like the big money interests that they're you know supporting and democrats are the system like they're in favor of the system as it exists. So the fact that they are supposed to be the system and also the progressive side of the system puts it in a sort of inherently contradictory position.

I mean, if they're going to snipe at the most exciting, most energetic portion of their base, then like, I don't know. I just don't know it's just because like it's like our parents generation is running the party yeah and they still they're still making us eat at the kids table like right they're like oh no not yet they don't they don't know what they can't even get a house you know they can't even get their shit together to do that you know there's no way like we it will they'll have their time but it's just not now. And I think that sort of attitude is completely ignoring the fact that at this point, more people are finding

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Was it a fucking Ramada Inn? Check that box. Okay. But nonetheless, they're saying that is a nine-point percentage drop, a nine-percentage-point since uh the question was asked in 2018 and it's the low like this has been the lowest it's ever been since they began measuring this bizarre metric um and then when it breaks down in like between black and white responded this was funny the 41 percent of participants uh and 21 percent of black participants reporting, they reported satisfaction with the treatment. Now, in that block of white Americans,

that was a drop of 10 percentage points. There were like 10% of white people went, oh man, actually, you know what? Black respondents, it didn't change since the last time. It just shows you again. It's like this Narnia shit. We're like, yeah, bro, we've seen it. So I guess we've got to wait for another two years and more bodies to pile up to bring it

down another 10 percentage points till we reach that tipping point where enough people have believe in narnia or have seen it themselves to actually act on it yeah it's so all of that is just like a very like it shows where the where the movement, where like some people are like to our point at beginning to at least not be so defensive when looking at their own country and the policies with a discerning eye. And there's a really great piece in a new Republic that takes a look at what they're calling,

I think is the article is called the lazy liberalism of IG slideshows. And it's talking about how quickly a Instagram has just gone back to quote unquote normal since the uprisings before, like you had a lot of people sort of hesitate like, Oh God, it just feels, it's really poor taste. I know it's my birthday, but like, I want to post something, but like, it's just really bad right now, but it is my birthday. And like, you know, I am 35.

And like, I figured like, it's just for me. And it but it is my birthday. And like, you know, I am 35. And like, I figured like, it's just for me. And it's like not trying to take any, you know, like a lot of people have felt bad in the air. Now we are back. I mean, if you look at your feed, it's pretty much back to what, you know, a pre George Floyd's murder world or pre uprisings world. And the one difference is that like, we're seeing more of these IG slideshows. I think a lot of people see like the, whether they post links to them in their stories or in their main feed or whatever these really nice stylized you know uh slideshows that are going about like this is this is about prison abolition or like why like why the bail system is so fucked uh and the thing is like what the writer of this piece is pointing out is that while it feels like people are doing something by posting that, not every person is going to process that information in the same way that you think it's going to affect them.

And there's no there's absolutely no way to know that this is actually being converted into real life action in physical space, because ultimately that's what's the of this, if we're not actually changing the outcomes for people's lived experiences. And again, it's like, the criticism comes back at this idea that like, it's just the easiest thing to do. And there is a quote from this other writer who calls this the quote, having conversations industrial complex, which is amazing, in which what should be the first step toward achieving justice is instead stretched out into an infinite loop in which the perpetuation of this cycle becomes its own end goal. And that truly, I think sums up this like pseudo movement that is happening with certain people on Instagram. And I know people who actually are become much more civically engaged and politically engaged

and are trying to have reckonings in their own lives and within their families, within their companies. And I also suspect there are people who I see who are just posting things to just for the appearances. And the other thing about, when you look at the evolution of Instagram, it's been a place for people to sort of give this polished version of yourself, depending on how you engage with it.

Other people are very candid and very sincere about it. But for many people, it's used as a way to sort of build this other version of your life or self that you can share with people. It's very controlled. And it's definitely not like Twitter, where it's become like there's no no it's not a place for hardcore political discourse or any discourse at all so there you know this article sort of pointing out to like the mentality of the instagram user plus how the platforms used were like these slideshows are now like mimic like a glossier ad or an ad for blue bottle coffee like and then mixing that with like these really complex

intersectional issues and things like that it's slowly it's like just you can you can feel the energy like dissipating yeah shout out to alex b green who coined the having conversations industrial complex term that's so good and uh the writer of the piece in The New Republic, Rachel Hawley. Yeah, I read the piece. It's really excellent. And it made me really think about, so a couple of weeks ago, I deleted my Instagram, and I was shocked at how hard of a decision it was

to delete my Instagram. And part of the reason for deleting my Instagram was I didn't realize how civically unengaged I was until I learned about a bunch of this stuff on Instagram through scrolling and then actually went down to a protest. And then actually I didn't, I didn't gone to a protest since Eric Garner and actually like seeing, like, I think going down physically to a protest makes Instagram like I'm like

taking pictures of the protest. And then I was about to post it on Instagram. It just makes it feel so empty. It just makes the whole, like going through the motions of instagram felt really empty in that moment it felt really like you know who is this helping like like what am i doing on here is this the best way to use my time and i really think part of being happier in over these these last few weeks and months is that i've gotten off of these platforms.

Like I've gotten off of Instagram. I've deleted my Facebook. I'm still on Twitter and YouTube. But I definitely don't have the level of just like low-grade depression that I felt like scrolling through Instagram was giving me. And I really just think that this article is really brilliant because it does, it does,

it felt at the time when I was deleting my Instagram, like Instagram was not meeting the moment to use Michelle Obama's words. Like it just didn't feel like something that I should be using my, it just felt like there are more important things and this is not an important thing right now. It what it is it is what it is when it comes to these social media platforms and the doom scrolling do you think that somebody going to a protest

and sharing their activity at a protest or you know phone banking and sharing their activity phone banking like to me that puts pressure on their friends or at least makes their friends realize that it's something that's doable, I guess. Totally. Or that there's action to be taken. But that's passive. Right. You know what I mean?

If you really want to get your friends to do shit, call them up and say, hey, we need to contribute to this thing. up right and say hey we need to contribute to this thing i hope you will join me in doing this because i feel that we are on the same ideological plane we still look at humanity the same way and whether or not you know this yet and i'm not trying to criticize you for not arriving here yet but i do want to let you know given like what we what we give a shit about we actually need to go do this thing because i think just posting a picture is like being like well you know you when you could just go right to the matter and be like if you are if you really want to do stuff it's easy like you can just say hey three of us let's go foam three of us let's collect shit and donate it and jack there's also just this like inherently

i don't even know how to explain it just like inherently not generous aspect of instagram because like so you're posting like you know arrest the cops that killed bianna taylor and you get like a thousand likes or whatever um or you're posting that you um went to a protest and you're like everybody needs to go protest so it's right so it's just like this you're admonishing people you're getting likes because you're morally superior, because you went to a protest. This is not to say that we're getting that are you know like validation that i'm a good person i don't i don't know it just felt it just felt really fucked up in this it's like converting it's converting action into content that is self-serving and it's also nothing and it still feeds into your persona you know whatever post persona that you're building

whatever world you know imaginary world that you've built yourself in on Instagram. It just feels really fucked up. It puts the emphasis also on appearances as opposed to results, which seems to be like something that is a key difference. I'm sharing. Yeah. I felt that I felt much better when I called my friend. If I asked my friend directly, do you need help? Is there something I can do?

Let's go down to a protest together. That has felt much better than posting shit on Instagram. Me waiting on hold to make public comment to the board of supervisors in L.A. County and my heart being like, get me on this motherfucker so I can rip their fucking heads off. That shit feels way better than some shit you can post on Instagram because the other thing is you are speaking literally truth to power in that moment. You have the ear of the people who,

whether or not they take that information, they have to hear your voice and hear that human beings feel this way. And you can even leave email comments. I mean, I'm telling you, it's not that the listener right now has to end cash bail, but you damn sure better find out who the people in your city that are doing good work and support the fuck out of them for starters. And that doesn't take a whole lot. And I just want to point to the last paragraph in this article. It's really it sort of sums it all up about the Instagrammer.

Beautifully written quote. The Instagrammer lives in a carefully constructed bubble of relentless and superficial positivity that would pop under the strain of even an hour's worth of Trump era news headlines. Instagram is a breezy oasis from a somber world. It is earnest in a cynical culture. It believes in the possibility of self-actualization, perhaps through delusion. It's a place where there need not be a moral imperative to risk your life or livelihood marching in the streets because sharing well-designed graphics from the comfort of your own home is enough to bring about justice the ultimate and aesthetically pleasing color-coordinated fantasy for the trump era i'm telling you when i read this thing i was like i thought i lost my hair. All my hair came off. Snaps, snaps, snaps. I was like, yeah, damn. It's all gone.

The sample Instagram slideshows that she kind of sprinkles throughout the article are just such a perfect... First of all, they all look like... I had to double check that they weren't created by the same account because they all look identical. It's like Canva templates that people are using. Yeah. It's wild that Instagram became its own. Rather than being like film, it became a specific genre. It's like a specific like auteur.

It's like everybody makes movies that look like Wes Anderson movies. It's like everybody is doing the same twee shit. I guess my question was trying, I don't do any shit with instagram or pay much attention to it but i'm like wondering if there's a version that transcends that and is like punctures that bubble or if like if somebody did that like it miles if you were sharing the fact like you're waiting online your heart's beating out of your chest, and then you share your comment as you're leaving it. What about that is Instagram allergic to? Because for me,

as somebody who doesn't pay any attention to Instagram, so I'm not the person to speak on this, but that would be like, oh, that's a thing that I can do. And seeing somebody I admire do it makes it real to me and makes it more like tangible to me. I don't know. I mean, I don't feel a responsibility to inspire someone. Yeah, no, not a responsibility. Through Instagram in that sense. And I don't think I would post it because I'm not doing it to share on Instagram. because I'm not doing it to share on Instagram. I'm doing it because, you know,

I'm like through friends in the activist community, like organizing and things like that. And like, hey, we need people on this call. We need people to like, yeah, I'm there. Like, you know, that's just a thing. It's not so much that I'm going to put it up there to say like, and this is what I did. And I know that can be inspiring,

but I think there's plenty of examples of real activists whose work is being documented that you can draw inspiration from i guess for me personally it would start to feel like i'm just doing doing it for the gram uh yeah because i'm not in half the shit i don't if you follow me on instagram sorry shit's dry but there isn't much there because like at a certain point i'm like i got the the shit that i can really contribute to. It's on this mic trying to talk to people through the podcast, doing what I can, just IRL. And I think that's what we should strive for. Because at the end of the day, while it feels good to get likes to do the right thing,

we also have to take away the incentive of performative acts of goodwill for the gram and shit like that. And really just everyone is acting from that place but i don't know i think i could be be overly idealistic and plus i just don't like to post that much on social media so i might be the worst person to ask i just feel like all the shit that i see get passed around on instagram or you know brought to my attention that's getting passed around on instagram. It's because people who have the right intentions aren't posting their clever ideas for spreading change or bringing about results aren't really posting it there. You're getting the people who are like,

masks hide our children's faces, and then the Clintons, uh, you know, the Clintons can kidnap them more easily. Like shit like that seems to be the, what is winning the day on Instagram. Um, and I, there just might not be,

that just might be a like bug of the system. Yeah. That could just be how those people, it's actually like not a bug, you know? And it's, it's one of the reasons why I got off of Instagram. I started reading this book called Surveillance Capitalism.

And the book is all about how these it's mostly about Google and AdSense and how the the engineers at Google created this algorithm that basically set the stage for how our data would be manipulated and collected to influence our behavior. So you have social media, the way that it is designed, is designed to alter our behavior. So it's not even just about the way that we're acting on social media, like the way that we're acting, like we're acting in this, we're behaving in this way as a response to an algorithm that is dictating how we are acting. they have all kinds of like behavioral data and like you know they understand human beings and how the human brain works and how the the red flashing notification button gives you a hit of dopamine and like what do you do to get that high of being on social media so i feel like it's like that's what i mean i i feel like it's coming out of left field a little bit but i'm like talking about like straight up like these people are yeah they're engineering they're engineering our behavior through these so through these apps and it's just like and you feel this connection to this app

because your friends are there and it's just like it's not even about like we are i feel like some a lot of us are genuinely trying to educate people on these platforms. We're genuinely trying to do things, but it's not, it's not us. It is, it is how these platforms are designed, which is why I feel like it is not the right place to be in this moment.

I don't want to be, I don't want to have another place where I can be manipulated, where I can be manipulated where i can be controlled where my data can be harvested and used against me or whatever it is not necessarily used against me but used for by this corporation and they sell it to people who who use it like Cambridge Analytica and things in the case of Facebook like that's what these i feel like these uh these social media apps are are we talk about them in this way that they're harmless. They're harmful on a level of emotion, but they're harmful on a societal level.

Yeah, where people's lives are lost. Yeah, people's lives are lost. Whole elections are decided by the data that a company used you know maliciously so it's just like it's like some really i think it's like another thing about this pandemic is that everybody should be thinking about what we're doing what we're watching what we're consuming how we're being you know how we're being talked to by the media because even that you know occasional aoc thing watching the way that they contextualize her vote it's just like all these things it's like i'm so glad everybody's paying attention um but that that dark desperate feeling you get when you're scrolling through instagram and you

want to you know you question the point of life it's like pay attention to that because i think it's it's it's an alarm bell that our brains are telling us that you know this thing is not always for our benefit yeah yeah it's like trying to bring about try trying to like actually create good actionable uh ideas on instagram is like trying trying to z-way is doing a yes pop star character who is overtly political and she was describing it on one of our sister podcasts last culturista she was saying like the the joke behind it is that no pop star like pop music is inherently like the opposite of political so it's like so dumb when it becomes like the, the dumbest dumbed down version of politics that you get through.

Uh, it's like the, the, a feature of the system, like you were saying, it's not a bug of the system. It's a feature of the system. Like it's like trying to cure obesity by like putting,

uh, sugar and water. Right. Good, good messages on the top of magnolia cupcakes or whatever yeah timely reference from 1999 dude you brought it back to chronicles of narnia dude you know what i mean the chronic what calls of narnia because wasn't that the whole like in that one point they're like magnolia because it's popping or whatever exactly that's the that's also the song that gave me the complex about having lazy sundays you know Wasn't that the whole, like in that one point, they're like, Magnolia because it's popping or whatever. Exactly. That's also the song that gave me the complex about having lazy Sundays.

You know, I felt bad. I felt like I should be getting more done. Bringing it all back together. The Messiah Jerry thing, you know, we referenced it a couple times earlier. You should just check out the video because it's um even if you didn't see what uh the the initial like because the cameras kind of got there late in the initial uh version explain what is going on for people because some people if you said they're like uh what so the president of the torontoors, after they won the fucking championship in Oracle in the Bay Area, it was in Oakland, right?

He's walking along around the side of the court, hugging like, you know, members of the Toronto Raptors team. And he has his pass and he like flashes it as he's trying to get to the bench where the team that he is the president of is celebrating the championship. And this cop just like sticks his arm out, like pushes him back. And then like when he gets in front of him,

just does a two handed, like shove in his chest, like push them back like six feet and massage there he's like what the fuck was that and then the guy pushes him again like really hard like the most aggressively like what you're gonna do about it bitch like just macho bullshit move that you've ever seen and then finally watching no respect for a black man in action that's yes the most no respect you can also see like i said the guy the guy is just this like pink-headed

like crew cut wearing cop who's like chewing gum aggressively as messiah sherry's like making his way towards him uh just like angry ass pink-headed uh cop and uh and then the cameras like started like got there you know the actual like live tv cameras got there and it just looked like messiah jerry was like in a conflict with a cop as it was just like so weird it was like wait a second why is he not celebrating right now instead he's like you know getting pushed by a cop and like pushing a cop back because he does after two pushes pushes the guy back he's like what the fuck man um and it was just so now we have the full video and it's just worth looking at like this guy who is come out literally on top of the world so the reason it came out is because the cop was suing him. Was I the one who was suing him?

What? Yes, for damages caused to him in his career and his jaw. And he said his face was puffy afterwards. It is textbook white supremacy and textbook cops. And it's just petulant and you know turning into a baby whose whose feelings are hurt and fraudulent and yeah and fraudulent exactly uh but fortunately that caused the nba to be like okay well we have these tapes by the way if like if you think that there aren't tapes of an event, still you should try it.

I had this one thing, completely off topic, but somebody backed into my car in a parking lot outside of Ralph's, and it was outside. It didn't seem like it would be on tape, but I went and found the security footage that was from a nearby thing. People will have usually video footage there's like high high def video being taken of fucking everything it's just that the cops usually

control it but this is that rare so if you can find well that person who errantly backed into you really fucked up by doing it to a guy who's obsessed with the JFK assassination footage. It's true, man. I mean, it was, it was attempted insurance fraud. She claimed I ran into her. So it was,

Oh shit. Yeah, it was wild. Uh, you know, you know, my mom was kind of going through it at the time. I told her you probably wouldn't do nothing,

but right. We, we underestimated. Yeah. I don don't know it's just an example of you know who knows why this guy was so furious probably racism mixed with who knows what but uh just another example of you know somebody what happens when the one legal arbiter of violence in a society is somebody who doesn't need to be trained at all and doesn't need a certain level of education doesn't need to have anything other than the willingness to do the job yeah and suddenly just turns into an angry warriors fan that's packing right exactly anyways uh you can you can watch the video where wherever charlotte

videos are served charlotte's been wonderful having you back on the daily zeitgeist where can people find you you can find me at charlotte larson i'm still on the tweeter i have a podcast

that is on Stitcher called The Secret Lives of Black Women I said Stitcher but it's literally everywhere you can find it on iTunes and Spotify and I have an album called Karate that came out last year I'm all over the place

and I linked my essay that I mentioned earlier so you can catch that in the footnotes. That essay. Everybody can read. If you're wondering what it's like to be black in America, this is my response to that. Yeah.

And you don't believe in Narnia. I do not. Just do yourself a favor. Yeah. Read it. Yeah. Read it. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying?

Yeah. I follow Brie Newsome on Twitter. Brie Newsome was the black woman who took down the confederate flag at the south carolina capitol building like years ago i think it was like early when uh trump won maybe um but she tweeted this i think yesterday um there remains a deep level of denialism around both the magnitude of the crisis confronting this country including racism and the reality that the bipartisan political establishment opposes the very policies we need to actually

address these crises and to relieve human suffering um brie newsom is always speaking the truth like back when i felt like even the news wouldn't call um trump a racist like they wouldn't just outright say that he was a racist uh brie newsom was was tweeting and talking about putting what was going on in an honest honest clear way for people to understand the danger of what's going on so i really recommend following this lady uh she's super sharp and she's not afraid to talk about what we really need to do how high the stakes are the fact that this is going to be a long-term fight and it's not going to be pretty and it's not going to be nice most likely um or maybe hopefully it will be nicer than

we anticipate but we should be preparing ourselves emotionally um for for things to get dark you know for things to be dark you know because you know just doing whatever we can do you know with our friends with our family to like prepare whatever we can prepare you know if it means like saving your money or whatever you need to do to growing food growing. Growing some food, taking care of a plant, meditating, learning about Buddhism, whatever it is you need to do to just understand that sometimes the world is bad,

but there are good people, but we need to always be calling truth to power. And some people have seen Narnia before you. Trust me, you don't want to go there. Right, right. People who are like, how could things get worse? That was my favorite part of michelle obama's speech she was it can get worse it will you lack imagination if you think they can't get well this is the thing like black people

have it's been that bad i'm an immigrant my family came here from haiti like there are worse countries there are worse you know we're really really privileged to be here i'm very lucky you know like not everybody gets to be in a country where you have where you can eat every day where your family can get a job where you can go to school like we have enormous privilege here and it is not free you know democracy is not free where your country wasn't punished by western banks for successfully liberating yourselves from slavery right yeah because i mean like that's the dark shit with haiti too like it's an amazing example and then the darkest one about how white supremacy just comes right the fuck back

to be like okay so you got rid of that but we'll fuck you up in different ways right yeah we're we're really fighting against like really huge incorporated powers that are like deeply rooted in america from the beginning of america you know so it's just like we got to prepare ourselves we got to like be there for each other and know that you know these things are not going to go down easily yeah i think the good way to put it is you know prepare yourselves and don't do it in a way like where you have to go help like everything is it's going to be so negative prepare yourself to help that's what you should that's how you should look at it prepare yourself

to help somebody in need don't don't be like we're gonna fucking crash yeah and just do that the whole way there no no no start saying like i'm going to need to open my heart larger than i may have ever had to i may be asking others to do the same because on some level we are there are people we can help and we may need help as well right but we also all have to be prepared to help each other i think i'm talking about it on a stoic like a philosophical stoic from stoicism point of view it's just like it's just like you know it's not about being super despairing it's about like being emotionally prepared for the fact that you know america is not gonna always be rosy and it's things are not always going to be perfect things are going they

might be really hard for a while and we might have to like really step up and help each other and physically be there for each other and call out and and see what you can do for your friends you know what i mean like i i'm talking about it in the sense of like we don't have to crumble when things crumble you know we can be prepared mentally and emotionally um so that we can survive and keep and keep helping and keep pushing and moving forward because that's that's truly all we can do we really don't have a choice but to be optimistic but to um but to use what we have and our greatest what we have more than anything is each other is our network of people that you know that feel that we deserve much better than we have, you know?

Well said. Miles, where can people find you and follow you? Oh, Twitter, Instagram, uh, at miles of gray. And also on my other podcast for 20 day fiance.

And also if you're on Twitch, uh, we're going to be doing some shit live on Twitch this Friday at 6 PM Pacific time. Uh, Sophia and I will probably be taking some questions and talking about the new Stace and Darce spinoff. And we got our Twitch stream sorted out.

Not like last time. I got the OBS popping now. So go to twitch.tv slash 420dayfiancé. Shout out to Superproducial, Danil Goodman for hooking that up. Okay, some tweets that I'm liking. One is from at rick a it's a r-i-c-k-a-e-y-a uh she tweets please don't tell people we talked that's defamation of character i love that one uh another one is from uh it's at cloud nine uh And this is a very LA tweet.

But she tweeted a photo of the Medici Apartments in downtown Los Angeles. And if you're from LA, this is the shadiest fucking building in downtown. And she just tweets, these the drug dealer and scammer apartments, lol. And I was like, it's so true. You can see it off the freeway when you're driving through downtown. And it's always like, that's where you get into some shit. Okay, and then finally, Ian Carmel, he tweeted, okay, so Laura Loomer, the conspiracy theorist, Islamophobe, whatever, every terrible thing that right-wing people are on Twitter. She won her Republican primary to run for Congress, and she and she was really feeling herself as was president Trump. And then Ian Carmel tweeted,

uh, I think I'm big meech. Lower loomer. Uh, that's a good one. That's, that is the Venn diagram of, uh,

if you may back music and politics, did you do the, uh, driving me Maddie one about Taco Bell? No. All right. At driving me Maddie tweeted, my boyfriend and I go to Taco Bell. What do you want?

I ask him a Baja blast. No, he gets down on one knee. I want something that will Baja last. Will you marry me? They ring the Taco Bell. We live happily ever after, Moss. Happily ever after, Moss. That's good.

And then Hype at The Hype tweeted, why did the chicken cross the road? Why did the pigeon shit on my car? The point is that the motivations of birds are unknowable. You can find me on Twitter, Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist

on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information

that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on Miles. What are we riding out on today oh i mean just given the the positive feelings uh coming out of everybody uh this band name i think is really gonna give some relief it's called the comet is coming uh and this uh this track is called birth of creation and it's really dope i i'm not sure like what this band is about but it see it sounds like a mixture of like a

like a beat electronic producer a drummer and somebody who definitely plays reeded instruments because i feel like i'm hearing a bassoon or bass clarinet or barry sax doesn't quite sound like barry sax but it's this real great mixture of real instruments and a little bit of electronic and hip-hop and it's just got, like, I don't know. Is that where you were playing when I came on? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, this is the Comet is coming with their track, Birth of Creation.

I mean, 2020, am I right? That's the next thing I expected. Yeah, babe. Yeah, babe. You think you're big meech. Going to be a velociraptor watching that. Oh, boy. Shut up.

I like how you said shut up to yourself. To myself, yeah. The Daily Psych is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for this morning. We'll be back this afternoon to tell you what's trending and we'll talk to you all

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