The Daily Zeitgeist - Nerds Settle Movie Debate With Science, One Grande Iced Ariana Please 12.4.18

Episode Date: December 4, 2018

In episode 286, Jack and Miles are joined by Behind the Bastards host Robert Evans to discuss bronze Nick Offerman, Ariana Grande's music video "Thank U, Next," the death of George H.W. Bush, aggressive voter fraud in North Carolina, the most influential films, directors, and actors of all time according to science, the debt of Milo Yiannopoulos, the ancient city of Matera, Italy, and more! FOOTNOTES: 1. Nick Offerman, painted bronze, slowly sips Lagavulin at a Chicago Blackhawks game2. How the “thank u, next” Video Became Ariana Grande’s Rom-Com Supercut3. Pete Davidson Spotted Dining At NYC Restaurant While ‘Thank U, Next’ Plays4. George H.W. Bush, 41st president of the United States, dies at 945. N.C. election officials plan hearing over fraud concerns in U.S. House race, raising possibility of new election6. Wisconsin Republicans Are Mounting a North Carolina–Style Assault on Democracy7. THESE ARE THE MOST INFLUENTIAL FILMS, DIRECTORS AND ACTORS OF ALL TIME—ACCORDING TO SCIENCE8. Milo Yiannopoulos 'more than $2m in debt', Australian promoters' documents show9. An Ancient Corner of Italy Finds the World on Its Doorstep  10. WATCH: Blended Babies - Let It Snow Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Okay, and that is from at Crispy Meme Donut. Been meaning to use that. Shout out to Moe and Sabina and Hannah and Hannah and Jesse and David and everybody in line that we met at Chicago. It was really a wonderful time. Want to shout you all out. Everybody I can remember, at least off the top of my head. Yeah, thank you guys.

Priyanka. Yeah, most of the names I remember. Yeah, most of them. I think you got you all out. Everybody I can remember, at least off the top of my head. Yeah, thank you guys. Priyanka. I mean. Yeah, most of the names I remember. Yeah, most of them. I think you got all of them. That was it. Five people at the shows. All 220.

Oh. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the very funny podcast host and journalist, Mr. Robert Evans. Hey. There he is. That's all I got. He's back. I would like to say hello to Hannah and Hannah, but not David.

Wow. Yeah. Okay. I was not in Chicago. I don't know these people. Yeah. But let David know I did not say hi. There's Hannah from Minneapolis, I think, came out.

Sure. She gets a hi. And then Hannah from Hamilton, not Toronto, but from Hamilton. Had to make that. She gets a hi. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She gets a high. Hannah from Hamilton, not Toronto, but from Hamilton. Had to make that. She gets a high. Yeah, yeah. She gets a hello. Yeah.

Well, hope you found them pierogies. Robert, we're going to get to know you a little bit better, but first we're going to tell our listeners what we're talking about today. We're going to start off talking about Nick Offerman and just how strong his brand is. We're going to take a quick trip through the thank you next video controversy. We're going to talk about George Herbert Walker Bush. George. George, as I call him. We're going to talk about North Carolina GOP. Actually,

they've been talking about voter fraud for so long in the Republican Party that they decided to take matters into their own hands. So we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about the Wisconsin Republican Party dabbling in some panic fucking. We're going to talk about conditions in packing factories. We're going to maybe talk about Starbucks blocking porn. We're going to talk about a scientific attempt to solve the question of what is the most influential film director and actor and how...

We're just going to check in with Milo Yiannopoulos, see how he's doing. I bet he's doing great. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He seems like a person who's... Karma is just one of those things, you know? It just blesses those who do well. And then I have an idea

that I want America to steal from Europe. Is it straight drinking? No, it's not. But I figured you would chime in with that, so I felt like I didn't need to suggest that. But, Robert, first, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? That's revealing about who I am. Oh, I've been looking at pictures of Swole Harry Potter, which actually ties into my favorite tweet of the day. Wait, Swole Harry Potter?

Swole Harry Potter. Is it a subcategory of images? Well, there's a number of images of him. I've got one right here. How swole are we talking? Look at that. You got your Swole Harry Potter. Bro, do you even Leviosa?

Oh, my God. They photoshopped. Swoldemort? Yeah, they photoshopped Stallone, and then there's Swoldemort on the other side. It's great. It's wonderful. Wow.

That might get me into the movie franchise now. Yeah. So that's what they look like? Yeah, that's what they look like. It's gotten me wanting to try an innovative new thing, which is rebooting a book that's currently very popular and not very old old and just do Harry Potter, but line by line go through and make it more swole. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So like in the beginning, like instead of Ron being good at chess or whatever, like he's doing a bunch of preacher curls. Right. And then like he's got to do a deadlift in order to get through to the next room or whatever. Oh, shit, right. And he does it and so they can pass through, but he blows out his rectum. That's why he can't's what hey wear that well weight belt my man but it's that's the imaginative thing they use their magic for is just lifting

things no no no the the magic is totally separate okay there's no magic it's a weight lifting they're still magic that's totally separate they're just all swole as well so they're doing magic but they also are just all really into you know being beefcakes yeah we're in lift and door yeah yeah lift and door yeah there you go they're actually they're rebooting the jack reacher franchise as a tv series with somebody who's not tom cruise so yeah why not why not small Harry Potter? Small Harry Potter. I mean, this is essentially what Harry Potter would have looked like were it made in the 80s

because you have just ripped ass Harry Potter. Not ripped ass as in what Ron did when he blew out his rectum. What is something you think is overrated? Man, overrated.

Podcasts. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. Fuck them. Well, you see, I had this great experience the other day of instead of talking about Hitler at length on my podcast, I was just screaming about Hitler to someone in a parking garage. And it was really – it was nice. Until you were arrested. Wait, is that when I caught you having that argument with the newspaper stand?

We can talk about who caught who arguing. What son of a bitch? Even that argument with the newspaper stand? We can talk about who caught who arguing at what son of a bitch. But the important thing is that while I think podcasts have a valuable role, I think screaming is also really important. And so I'd like to urge our listeners to do more screaming in their daily lives. Just like try it out a little bit. For the catharsis or just as a way to express yourself? Just for the art of screaming.

Okay. Just for the love of a good scream. Yeah. So you're saying that if the real world could be more like InfoWars. Yeah. Like Alex. Okay. The reason he's bad is that nobody else is doing it.

If people are all screaming as much, yeah. Comparatively, he looks weird. Yeah, exactly. He would be normal. And then maybe he'd be less angry. This world that you're already building in this appearance on the Daily Zeitgeist with just swole Harry Potter and just people constantly shouting at each other. It's giving me anxiety.

Yeah. It sounds like everybody's just on steroids. I'm an inside voices guy. What is something you think is underrated? Okay. I'm sorry if this is a little bit of a bummer, but I've been thinking about like the tactical value of suicide, right? Okay. Think about Hitler, right?

Okay. Real bad guy, right? 60 some odd people try to kill him. Nobody succeeds until Hitler kills Hitler. What if we tried to do that with other bad people? Like Vladimir Putin, real bad guy. Can't go to war with Russia. Too many nukes.

What if you just try to make him really sad and you put out a bunch of stories about how like everybody's wearing shirts all the time and there's no more horses and journalists are living longer than ever? And you just try to bum him out. But how do you gaslight someone like that who's so powerful? I mean it's going to be a collective effort. Yeah. It's a collective long-term effort. Kill all the horses. Yeah.

We got to get rid of the horses. We got to all start wearing shirts. Nobody can do taekwondo anymore. but I think we could bum him out. Just take away the things that bring him joy. Yeah, or like you can do it in a more positive way too, like with the war on terror. Okay, 9-11 happens and we get attacked, right? And what do we do? We invade two countries and we go after them.

What if we just started dropping Jeep Wranglers and food and DVDs of The Simpsons and generators and stuff into Afghanistan? And you do the same and like you do that and then Osama bin Laden is like, oh, I did all this mean stuff and now America is more popular in Afghanistan than ever because everybody's got a rocking ass Jeep. Right. And he gets really sad. Or with like Iraq, you

just start dropping like a bunch of nice stuff in there too, but you include a bunch of really good romance novels written in Arabic but credited to George W. Bush. Right. Because that was the thing that Saddam liked the most is writing romance novels. So you make George W. Bush the most popular romance novelist in Iraq.

Bam, Saddam. Just start changing Daniel Steele covers to read by George W. Bush. I just feel like that would work. I feel like that would work. Well, I think, well, when's your meeting with the Pentagon? They have not been returning my calls. Or my screams, unfortunately.

So I'm really pretty frustrated. Maybe next step, just go start screaming in front of the Pentagon. I think that would work. That's my plan for the next couple of days. I'm on board with everything, except you said start wearing shirts. Yeah. No dice, my friend.

It's nice to see you with your shirt off in the studio. Yeah, always. You look very free. Thank you. What is a myth finally? What's something people think is true you know to be false? I think people think speed limits keep us safe and I don't think that they do. Okay.

I think that the data shows overwhelmingly that like especially when you're in like where I grew up, where they're like, they'll change the speed limit every couple of miles so that you've got like speed traps and stuff. People spend more time focusing on what speed they're going and whether or not they're going to get a ticket than focusing on driving safely. And in a lot of like rural areas in the US where they've actually taken away posted speed limits and there are no posted speed limits, they found that people tend to not drive faster than they're comfortable with. And so I think that we overvalue like when you yell at somebody like, you can't go faster than this in an area. I think that like an unreasonable focus on like whether or not people are obeying the

letter of the traffic laws is counterproductive to safety. And it's better to have a system whereby the police out there are just looking at who's driving like an asshole, who's driving dangerously. Like that's a problem. Right. But don't you need like sort of that silent barrier to keep people from like, you know, cause I feel like I'll see people who are driving fast. I'm like, you may not be comfortable driving that fast, but you're a terrible driver and you're going 60 on a residential. I mean, but that person is not, they're speed limits and that person's not obeying the law either. So the people who are shitheads and drive like shitheads are going to drive like shitheads no matter what, and all you can do is catch them

when they're driving like shitheads. Right. But when you have like, all these like, this is a 25 and then it moves up to a 35 and then it moves up to a 45, like, that's maybe counterproductive. Very libertarian of you. I'm not a libertarian, but I'm not pro-law.

Right, I mean. I'm not pro-law. Right. I mean – I'm not pro-tell-me-what-to-do. Yeah. So we would just make it more in the hands of police to subjectively enforce what they think good driving is and bad driving? Well, no. I mean I think part of what this would rely on is having more video capture of like what's going on. Like if a police officer is pulling someone over, there should be something recording on their car.

So you can be like, no, look at this guy. He's swerving around driving like an asshole. We captured it. But also I think like you start with just removing speed limits in certain rural areas because we've already done that in some parts of the country and it hasn't increased accidents. In some cases, it's dropped them. So you start by like, okay, well, let's extend this to a couple more areas. Let's see if this pattern holds.

Let's see if this continues to work. And if it does, then you spread it to other areas and figure out like, I think you just have to have an idea in your head that the solution to a problem like dangerous driving isn't always slamming down more laws. Sometimes it's looking at what we're already doing and seeing if we can alter the rules in certain areas in a way that's more effective. I'll tell you one freeway that won't work on is the 134 in Los Angeles because that shit is like the fucking Autobahn. People drive so recklessly on that shit. If you got rid of it, I know people will be like, I bet I can hit 140. But I think one of the things we would find is that there's no eliminating all of the asshole drivers

in a metropolitan area that's almost 20 million people. There's just so many people. Well, I guess if there's too many people, then you can't do it because it's just the asshole numbers. By volume, there's more. And I'm always talking Like, there's just so many people. Well, I guess if there's too many people, then you can't do it because it's just the asshole numbers. Yeah. By volume, there's more.

And I'm always talking about, like, let's try with some rural and interstate roads and see how that works. I'm not saying, like, let's change Los Angeles's traffic structure overnight. And when do you have your meeting

with the NTSB for this? They, again, have not returned my shouts, not returned my emails. Ah, damn it. Bureaucracy, man. Oddly enough, they got back to me on Gab. Oh, Jesus.

I really did not expect that. Yeah. When they did that national speed limit, when they turned the entire United States into a 55-mile-per-hour zone at most, did that make the roads safer? I mean, they didn't keep doing it. You know, to be honest, I have not done...

This is my talk out of my ass podcast. Okay, got it. I haven't done the research that I would do to seriously introduce policy. Okay. So maybe, but I mean, we don't do it anymore and it seems fine. Yeah.

And I can't drive 55. Yeah. Remember that song? Too Fast for You? Oh. I don't have the reflexes for this 55. I mean, I'm no pod racer.

Yeah. Some other transportation myths that you've debunked. The first article you wrote for Cracked was about safety laws that don't make you

any safer. Yeah, that was one of the first. One of the early ones. Yeah. Yeah. Like speed bumps don't make you any safer.

No, they're garbage and they fuck up your car. They do. Yeah. Yeah. Like speed bumps don't make you any safer. No, they're garbage and they fuck up your car. They do. Yeah. Yep. So do all those kids' bikes running over their shits. Well, you know what though?

Get caught up in your fucking axle. For every kid who gets caught up in your axle, you make a job for a wheelchair producing company. Right. Yeah. So. Yeah. Who's the hero? There you go all right let's talk about Nick

Offerman real quick uh oh I love Nick Offerman yep I mean his brand is so strong um he loves Lagavulin scotch and he you've seen like even on Parks or Rec, Ron Swanson always talks about Lagavulin. And like there was that Yule Tide Carol Yule Log video of him. There's like 45 minutes on YouTube of him just sipping Lagavulin by a fire, not saying anything. And it's just the sound of the fire. Well, they upped it again at a Blackhawks game this weekend. Shout out Chicago. They just painted him bronze and he just sat in a chair and drank fucking scotch in front of people. At a game?

Yeah, they were like unveiling a statue. So they're like, oh, here's this other statue. And it was just him drinking the scotch. And that was that. End of story. That's his brand. He loves Lagavulin. He's being paid to sit places and just very calmly sip their wonderful alcohol.

Do the thing that he loves. That's a smart brand. That is a smart brand. That is an exercise in just brand marketing that I think we all need to think about. I wish I had trademarked binge drinking when I first thought of it. I know.

That would have been smart. Charlie Sheen beat us to it. Who is somebody like that who is just their character no matter what? And is he a first of his kind? I don't know. When I met him, he talks the same way. And he's very measured.

And he's like, hi, I'm Nick. And he jokes. His laugh, though, is not like that. When he laughs, he's like. It's like this really hilarious stoner laugh. But I don't know. Who is like how they are? Who's not their character.

I feel like John Malkovich could probably like, I don't, I might not see a difference in Malkovich. Right. Who's just always kind of borderline creepy. Yeah. He's never cast as anything but John Malkovich. Yeah. Yeah.

That's, it's interesting. One day, Miles, we will be paid to go eat Domino's thing. Oh, we're going to eat Domino's. I'll get paid to just eat Wingstop. Yeah. It's harder than you guys think. But just eat Domino's all day? Sometimes you pour your heart out to a company, and you try to advertise for their products, and they just don't buy it.

That's Frito-Lay's problem. Yeah, that's Frito-Lay's problem. That's Frito-Lay's problem. Yeah, that's Frito-Lay's problem. I think maybe one of his smart decisions was to, you know, just aim in the middle range at a leg of Yulin as opposed to a giant multinational corporation. Now, that's a top range scotch, Jack. Right. It is a great scotch, but yeah, it's not like he's like, and that's why I drink Budweiser. Right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, guys. The thank you next video. I know it's all, Robert, that you've been talking about for the past couple days. I can't get enough. Pete Davidson. Yeah, he's not in it, but the video references him. It's a very well-executed video for a very catchy song from the most famous person on earth with

a very specific demographic, the sorts of people who would watch a video premiere online. Right. So this was unsurprisingly an enormous hit. When it premiered at a certain point, 829,000 people were viewing the video at the same time on YouTube which is pretty insane because YouTube is a pretty huge site and it managed to like cause lag time on YouTube it was like too much for Google yeah yeah so the the way that this has kind of filtered down to people who aren't Ariana Grande is that yesterday there were a couple stories breaking about Pete Davidson claiming to be

bullied. And it did make me realize what a uniquely shitty position the video kind of puts him in because it sort of casually dismisses his role in her life as just you know like one step among many like he's put in a list of four different ex-boyfriends she also reveals in the video that she broke up with him because her burn book says sorry i dipped uh it has his face scratched out and uh puts him in just an unremarkable third position in a succession of four exes and who's number one big sean oh god who okay she says she thought she'd end up with and in the burn book the thing she writes about him

is could still get it so that's gotta hurt a little a little bit. If you're Pete Davidson, you're trying to get over this breakup. Yeah, the guy's like, I'd still fuck this one, though. Right. I don't understand what sorry I dipped means. Sorry I had you dip out on you. I dipped out. I abandoned you. I left you.

Prior to this, people were wondering who left who, who dumped who, and she kind of put it out there. Right. And it just sucks, too, because he doesn't have nearly the same kind of cachet she does. So immediately everyone's like, oh, Pete Davidson's whack then. Right. Which I think probably led him to write about how like,

man, so many people are like telling me to kill myself and shit. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty messed up. Like you can't, maybe you can't do something like that anymore. Like it's not like- What, tell somebody to kill themselves online in a comment?

No, I mean, you can do that. In fact, it's very popular. Yeah, it's very popular. Kids love it these days. It's never been more popular. Yeah. No, but, like, back in the... Like, musicians have always written songs about their past relationships.

Or in the case of Eric Clapton, about just some lady he wanted to get with who was his friend's wife. Right. Like, that's just the way that music works. But, like, something like this, you're putting a specific person on blast and targeting them. Right. Even if that's not your goal, you know what crazy people on the internet do.

Like it's kind of a messed up thing. Like it'd be one thing if this was like someone on her level of fame, then I guess it would just be like one more beef between two famous people. But you're like bringing a mob down on a guy. I think with her fan base though, it's going to happen either way. Cause like they're so dedicated. So if it's like,

well, we're Ariana always. Right. You know, are they, where do they rank on the like beehive being like, Hey, don't get me involved in that.

I don't want them coming for me. Being the most dedicated and talented fan group. I think the beehive is probably the most scary organized mob on the internet. Ariana Grande is up there, right? She's got fans. It's a testament to their fanaticism when people like Pete Davidson are like, man, it's really sucked

going through this breakup publicly. He's just gone through a really public breakup with someone he thought he was going to marry who's more famous than him and also this is on the heels of a very public battle with mental illness and he's also in recovery it's just like a really i don't know really uniquely shitty position that she's put him in pretty rough to drop this song when he's in recovery, too. Well, you know, this is what happens when, you know,

celebrities get with each other, and they're petty young people, too. Yeah, and I'm sure he'll be fine. Yeah, yeah, and that's what he said, too. He was like, you know, I'll be fine, but I just felt like people needed to know that this isn't, like, the most fun shit for me. Yeah, the incident that finally made him ask people to stop was a waiter put the song on in the restaurant he was eating in and then started filming him. Oh, my God.

Oh, so they did that for the gram? It wasn't even a quint? Like, he was set up? Yeah, he was set up. That's gross. Yeah. That's really gross. I don't like that.

Oh, the internet. Look what it does to people, man. Just so you can get that viral tweet, basically. Right. See? It does to people, man. Just so you can get that viral tweet, basically. Right. See, okay, so like in terms of laws that we do need that I would support,

there should be a government bureau that's just a couple of guys, guys and ladies, who walk around. When someone does something like that for the gram, it's really shitty, just hit them once right in the jaw. Not enough to do serious damage, nothing permanent, just like a person in a suit walks up and says, you know, such and such, you did wham, boom, and then you're done. Whammo. Maybe you gram it. Maybe you gram it too. Maybe there's a government gram and you monetize it to pay for healthcare. Right, right, right. And when is your

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And we're back. And we want to talk a little bit about the recently deceased President George Herbert Walker Bush, because the nation is in mourning. There's a national day of mourning on Wednesday of this week, as declared by our current fearless leader. And this is one that we've actually had our eye on for a while, to put it in one way. I mean, so Barbara- You mean this story? Yeah, and his- The impending- His kind of impending demise, because they say that once one member of an elderly couple goes, then soon after, if they're truly in love or if the woman is really the backbone and the hard ass and the muscle in the relationship, then as in this case, than maybe, you know, they're not.

I mean, I'd say the length of time he died after her proves he didn't really love her. Wow. We were debating. A lot of people were saying, like, oh, he'll probably be heartbroken. It could be weeks. It could be months.

He went on for months. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to say that we were taking action on when we thought this might happen, but we might have been. Right. And I'll just leave that there. Yeah.

And maybe Nick or I have one, and we'll have to look at the digital evidence. But yeah, it was interesting, though, to see all the very interesting, I guess, changing of history. Yeah. Or at least the very selective focus on certain aspects of his presidency and him as a person. That's the great thing about being a likable, charismatic guy, is that you can do horrible things. Like Trump, nobody's going to be like telling warm stories about Donald Trump, like mainstream media won't. But you've got a lot of people doing it for Bush because he was just a charming guy. Yeah. And he got along with his critics, like him and Dana Carvey were like

pals, even though Dana Carvey would like regularly make fun of him on SNL. Yeah, well, and he was fine with Dana Carvey, but he was really pissed about The Simpsons, which is why The Simpsons made the greatest effort. Yeah, he mentioned them specifically in a speech, something about how we needed more of- Less Simpsons? Yeah, less people who were like The Simpsons, basically.

The Simpsons had Marge write him a letter and stuff, being like, well, we think our family's pretty okay. And it was like this whole thing. And that's why they made that episode where Homer and Bart fight with George H.W. Bush. The best episode of The Simpsons. Yeah, that's funny to remember a time when The Simpsons was like the edgiest thing we had going in America. And they're like, look how big they made Ross Perot's ears. He said, don't have a what? Yeah. I mean, he lived an indisputably interesting life. There's a picture of him shaking hands with Babe Ruth on a baseball diamond when he's in college.

He was not the world's greatest military pilot, but won the right level of military pilot to have lived a very interesting career as a military pilot where he got shot down a lot. He did his part against that whole thing. Yeah. Got shot down a lot. That happens to a lot of people. Is the only person known to have crashed a plane off the Naval Pier in Chicago. That was a piece of trivia we learned this weekend from Keith Neal. What is it about Republican statesmen and not being very good pilots? We won't bring that up.

I'm just saying. Well, I mean, Harrison Ford, though, and he's, you know. Is he conservative? No, he's not. So I was saying, you know. He might as well be with his look of having that earring. I'd be like, this is a conservative in denial. Oh, I would just assume that I can buy acid from him.

And that would be my first question to Harrison Ford. And you'd be like, what? Okay, come over here. Yeah. But, I mean, besides the David Coppa feel, his grabbing women on the ass and whilst telling them the joke, you know, my favorite magician is. That all happened in the past handful of years when he was in a wheelchair, very old, maybe wasn't fully at functioning level. But besides that, I can't really think of a bad thing to say about the guy.

Can you guys? You do a show called Behind the Bastards, Robert, and I have a feeling there's no material for you when you talk about George H.W. Bush. Y'all ever heard about the Highway of Death? Is that a horror movie? Yeah, I mean, but it actually happened. When the Iraqi army was in retreat,

there were thousands upon thousands of men, many of them in civilian vehicles, fleeing from the highway from Kuwait back into Iraq. There were no longer any threat to the United States military. Not that they've been that much of a threat to begin with. But they were running the hell away. And he ordered them bombed. And we don't know how many people died. Thousands upon thousands. There are pictures you can find particularly of one man burnt alive in a car who was trying to flee himself.

Yeah. Horrible pictures. It was a war crime. We didn't need to do it. It was an act of military terrorism that George Bush approved because he essentially wanted to send the message to Iraq, stop it with this fucking invading people stuff. and invading people stuff. So you can debate whether or not you think that was justified based on your own personal ethics, but he ordered the bombing of thousands upon thousands

of fleeing people who were no threat to anyone. Yeah. An interesting thing about him that people probably don't remember now because the media probably doesn't like to bring it up that much, but one of the big marks against him at the time was that he was a wimp. Wimp. They were like, this guy's a wimp. Right.

Headline. President a wimp. So in order to counteract that, he did, you know, people have suggested that that might have been why he went so ham in the Operation Desert Storm. Weird flex, but okay. Right. And why he invaded Panama in 20th of December, 1989.

There's a pretty interesting documentary about that where the U.S. invasion does not come off all that positively. Okay. Who among us has not invaded Panama once? Right. Right? I mean, I'm not going to throw shade on the guy. I did take a river tour on the Sarapiki River. And I almost went near there.

But no. The other thing is the coverage is all sort of juxt— Like, they're using Trump to be like, man, remember this? Remember civility? Like, with our politicians? And I think, right, I guess comparatively, but there's a lot of parallels, too. Like, you know, Bush pardoned a bunch of people from the Iran-Contra thing so he wouldn't get in trouble. And was a major aspect of the war on drugs cracking down so much harder and, like, kind of had the FBI entrap a 19-year-old into selling crack near the White House.

Right. So he could claim that you could buy crack near the White House, even though they had to go all the way to the other side of the city and give the kid directions, because he didn't know how to get to, he didn't know what the White House was, really. He said, oh, I think his exact sentence was like, oh, is that where Carter lives or something? Not Carter, Reagan. So he was like, he didn't know anything about politics. They brought him there so they could be like, you can even buy crack in the shade of the White House. So that's pretty messed up too.

At the same time, having a outwardly respectable president is, I feel like I was underrating it up to about two years ago. Was he a race baiting asshole at times? Of course course he was also the head of the cia uh at a time that america was doing dirt but he had the common decency to pretend not to be racist or evil uh in his day-to-day behavior thus sending the signal to whites across america racism bad yeah and i think we don't uh that is an important thing. Yeah. Yeah. Just keep that shit inside. Nobody wants it. Well, and just like for all the bad things he did, he was never someone we were like, oh, this guy might just flip out and start dropping nukes.

Like nobody worried about George Mike. Well, the one thing he did have a good head was foreign policy from being in the CIA. He was a stable personality. He did things I don't agree with, but he was clearly not a madman. He was a guy who made really morally questionable decisions, but not like – nobody was worried that George W. Bush was a lunatic. Right. HW. HW.

Even with W, like I never thought he was going to drop the nukes. No, he's just a stooge. He was just a dummy. Well, yeah. I mean, again, he wasn't much for the Civil Rights Act of 64 when he was running for a congressional seat in Texas. Wasn't much for the Civil Rights Act of 64 when he was running for a congressional seat in Texas. And we all know the Willie Horton ad kicking off. We love old dog whistle racism, you know, caping for Clarence Thomas.

A lot of parallels, I think, really with Donald Trump in certain aspects. But, yeah, I think, yeah, there was, I guess, that civility, I guess. But I think we'd look away from, like terrible record when it comes to like the AIDS epidemic. Oh, God. Yeah. Things like that. 140,000, 50,000 Americans died under his – And one of his big innovations was banning people with AIDS from entering the country. Right.

Which further stigmatized the disease. I don't like him. But I agree. I think rather than calling it civility, it's what Jack said is really good, which is just like he didn't send overt signals to be racist. And that's a thing. That's a thing now, apparently. It's because like the current administration does all the other shady stuff that H.W. would have done and also does that. So like, yeah, I get that.

There was some balance. It's like John McCain I have a lot of issues with, but he didn't like torture. And it was better when there was a Republican being like, torture's bad. Right, right. And others not. And that like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

Well, let's talk about that party, the party of Herbert Walker and W and I guess Trump. Yeah. Trump. I mean, definitely. Yeah, yeah. He's the president. Yep. His definitely. Yeah. He's the president. Yep. His brand is strong.

Basically the leader. Yeah, his brand is most definitely strong. I would not buy Lagavulin if he advertised it. Well, you got that Diet Coke right there, my man. That's his Lagavulin. Hey, he's not wrong about everything. Yeah, I mean, look, if you go to McDonald's, you won't get poisoned either. But we always talk about how the right increasingly, it's becoming clear that their entire strategy is attack the left where

the right is weak. So they attack their opponent where they are weak. So then when their opponent is like, no, you're doing that, they look like they're just, you know, they're the second person to make that accusation in the argument and therefore it's less effective. Well, that appears to be what was going on. We thought they were just using claims of voter fraud to enhance voter suppression, which they were. But it turns out they were also engaging in some voter fraud, maybe. Dude, aggressive voter fraud. I mean, in North Carolina's 9th Congressional District, the Board of Elections, they refused to certify the results because of like they were saying, OK, there's a lot of evidence here that shows that there might have been some really fucked up voter manipulation. So a lot of people like apparently there are people who were posing to work for the campaign or working on behalf of Mark Harris, who was the Republican running in that race,

to go to areas that were very likely to vote for his Democratic opponent, Dan McCready. Now, somewhere they think it could be somewhere in the range of hundreds to thousands of ballots were taken. Mind you, Harris won by like 905 votes. But individuals came to people's homes to try and collect or fill in or just completely throw out their absentee ballots. And a lot of these people were coming, especially African-American communities. So what they would do is once they, in this article they're talking about, once those unlawfully collected ballots were then taken, they were then allegedly either one filled in for Harris if they were collected without a vote in the congressional race or switched to Harris if a voter had previously selected McCready or were simply discarded altogether according to multiple affidavits. And this happened in the 18 what?

The 1890s? No, the 2018s. What? No, wait. That's close to now, isn't it? That was just a couple of years ago. That was just a couple of fucking weeks ago. Oh!

Yeah. That seems crazy. Yeah, and at the heart of this is this independent contractor who also worked on a few other races for, quote unquote, voter turnout. Great. Which I think we can just read that as voter suppression. But it's just, I mean, the level of to take it that far is really, I mean, shout out to the desperate, desperate people in the GOP. I mean, you got to give it to them. That's more hustle than we're seeing out of any of the Democrat.

Oh, yeah. It's like nobody's committing crimes like these guys. Oh, yeah. I'm from a crime point of view. Hard to fault them. I mean, shamelessness is something that they are not in short supply of. They have such a stockpile of shamelessness. And that comes from Iowa, right?

That's where we mine that. That is mined from Steve King's ass. Deep in the dark mines of Steve King's asshole. Yeah, they just don't give a fuck. And I mean, that's long been a strength of theirs. I mean, going back to every election I've paid attention to. Oh, yeah. It's been like, well, except for in the case of Mitt Romney, I feel like he didn't have the shamelessness and that hurt him.

Yeah, well. Well, again- He didn't look guilty all the time yes yeah that's the classic romney right but again he had the good uh moral bearing to pretend that he was not a devious piece of shit but i think this sort of signals that they realize that the clock is ticking because you know this is this is what they had no other moves to play except to just legit steal people's ballots now. Well, they have other moves. Yeah, but it looks like the gerrymandering and a lot of the other voter suppression tactics were not working in other districts.

So now it's like, oh, fuck. Plan C? Like, obviously, this needs to be fought against and pursued legally and whatnot. Oh, yeah. Like, I support that 100%. But it's a little nice that it's this shameless. It's that out in the open. Yeah, and it's this desperate that, like, they have to be like, okay, well, it's not enough to make ads attacking, you know, like race baiting ads.

We have to actually go in and get our fingers dirty. Yeah, change these votes. It's not a good sign that they're doing it, but it's not a – I guess at least it means that they're desperate. Yeah, I think it's the final thrashing. It's not the final thrashing, but it sort of comes in line with a lot of other activity like this across the country where you start to see the GOP's party completely begin to evaporate,

and they just resort to this kind of heinous fucking thing. How did they get busted on this? Okay, so in North Carolina, a mail-in absentee ballot needs two witness signatures on the envelope, and just eight people acted as a witness for 130 ballots. So they were seeing things like this, and also the numbers didn't make sense for like the percentage of the electorate he was winning given the registration there.

So there are a lot of discrepancies. They're like, so every unaffiliated voter voted for him? Like there are just sort of things that were like absolutes began to emerge. Yeah. When you cheat and break the law, there are irregularities. Right. When you cheat and break the law, there are irregularities. Right.

They're going with a different technique in Wisconsin, which I think is technically within the rules. Yeah, it's not illegal. It's not illegal. It's not illegal to change the rules while playing the game, I guess. Yeah. It's the best kind of way to break the rules, which is you realize there's technically no rule against it because the people who dreamed up the rules thought no one would be so shameless as to do something this vile right yeah and now we have to realize oh i guess we have to define we have to be like hey no fucking shameless bullshit yeah it's the it's the electoral equivalent of putting a sign on the salad bar that says please do not sneeze directly into the salad please we're

begging in case you didn't know we didn't think we needed to say this right please do not masturbate directly into the salad bar adjacent to but like so explain what off of yeah explain what uh what is happening well again to go back to north carolina when they elected a democratic governor in 2016 during the lame duck session the legislature the state legislature said okay fuck it like let's burn the motherfucker down and try and kneecap the powers of this incoming governor as much as possible so they were they worked to deprive the governor of authority over the state election board uh prevented the governor from restoring voting rights throughout the state denied governor Governor Cooper the ability to, quote, appoint hundreds of employees to the executive branch in an effort to immobilize it and pack state commissions with allies.

And then they go on to say restructure the judiciary to preclude Cooper from appointing judges. So basically be like, yeah, you're governor, you're gyno, you're governor in name only or gyno, as we say. Yes. And so now Wisconsin is kind of doing the same thing because now that Scott Walker got his marching orders, they're like, OK, let's do the old North Carolina two step and just lame duck the fuck out of this thing and see what we can get away with. And they're kind of trying to pass some bills on three different fronts. Three different fronts. So the first is to basically curb the powers of the incoming governor and attorney general, curb voting rights, and also like just sort of mess with the state Supreme Court. So in the state Supreme Court, like the election for the Supreme Court justice happens during the state's general election, and they're proposing to like move that up three months to basically to suppress Democratic turnout. Because they're like, well, if it's during the general, we're going to get blown out because the participation is too high.

So maybe we can just make this a weird special election that people will forget and we can try and rebalance the court. There's also another one to try and cut down early voting as much as possible. I think they get six weeks or something in Wisconsin, like up until six weeks before election day, you can begin voting. They want to cut that to like two again, because there

was record turnout. And then another one was just these other bills to try and take away the power from the incoming attorney general and the governor by giving more power to the Republican controlled state legislature. So it's all just a lot of like, okay, how can we just sort of move these pieces around so you have some powers, but we'll also make sure that- No, 100%. It's a power grab. It is what you see being done in what we used to call banana republics. Right.

Like it's- Or the gap. What we used to do to them, actually. So I guess it is probably a lot of the same people strategizing this as who did the similar things. But it's the kind of thing that should be illegal, but nobody thought we had to make laws about. Right.

Fantastic. What a great... Like they have to rewrite in the Constitution. Yeah. The president can't do crimes, bro. Yeah. Yeah. That one really should have been in there.

Right. Yeah. But what if he gives himself a free pass, though? I mean, he should get away with it then, right? Right. It's like we have a genie asking the genie for unlimited wishes, basically. Like, aha. In order to make stuff right with Carter, we should retroactively add to the Constitution

the one business a president can own is a peanut farm. Peanut farm. Right. Make that work. Yeah. We'll call it the Sorry Carter Amendment. Because that was really- Oh, man.

That was kind of messed up. Or if the president adds cool things to the White House, don't just rip them off like when Reagan ripped off the solar panels that Carter put on the second he came in. What a spiteful move. Yeah, it's like, ugh, fucking solar power, you hippie. I'm Ronald Reagan and this motherfucker. Get them shits off. Ugh, such gross people.

So they made Carter. They didn't make Carter, but the emoluments clause, or out of respect and sensitivity for the emoluments clause, Carter gave up his highly successful peanut farm. That was his family's farm. Yeah, business. Couldn't he put it in a trust or something so he can come back to it? I think Billy probably got it.

Yeah. Fuck up, brothers. I saw a bottle of Billy beer once. What's Billy beer? You don't know what Billy beer is? Jimmy Carter's brother, Billy, the fuck up Carter, had a beer for a little while. It was called Billy beer. It's really cute. Oh, no.

What a fucking name, too. What's your idea? I don't know. Billy Beer. Okay. I love beer. It came after me because I like beer and I'm Billy. Again, strong branding.

Strong branding. It's just Billy Beer. It's alliterative. It's amazing. That used to be like people were like, that's a little bit shady, that the president's brother's using his fame to get a beer. Look at us now. Look at us now, Dad.

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So like really analyzing the data and using a film as a node and any connections to other films sort of increases its value to, I guess, film in general. So like as an influence on other films. Yeah, exactly. Or if it's referenced.

So it's a group of Italian scientists, and they're using a similar methodology that they use to sort of track the impact of scientific studies. So they're just applying this now to films. And so as they say, they say, we propose an alternative method to box office takings and reviews for analyzing the success of a film. We have developed an algorithm that uses references between movies as a measure for success and which can also be used to evaluate the career of directors, actors, and actresses by considering their participation in top-scoring movies. Okay, so based on that... That's actually also how Google works.

Right. That is. They were basically just trying to classify different academic papers on an algorithmic network as a graduate project and eventually invented Google. Right. Well, thank you. That's so much savior in origin story than Facebook. I know. Right? It's just Mark Zuckerberg was creeping on ladies in his class. Right.

Mark Zuckerberg was creeping on ladies in his class. Right. So when you look at it, first of all, none of these, when they go to the top 20 films, none of the films were released before or after 1977. Wow. And they even acknowledge the bias that, A, it's biased towards Western films because they're using a lot of the data that they got from IMDb. Sure. And also that it's definitely more male biased and that it also there's a bias

towards older films because they've been around longer and henceforth can have more influence on the movies we see now so it's really a better tale of like which movies from the 60s and 70s were most yeah I mean it goes all the way back that's still me yeah yeah yeah when I think yeah if you look at I mean I think if you want went off box office and like with inflation, I think Gone with the Wind would be the top film or whatever. Gone with the Wind, that would not be a surprise. But it doesn't even, it's not in the top 10. So the top 10 from number one to 10 is Wizard of Oz, Star Wars Episode IV, Psycho, King Kong, 2001, Metropolis, Citizen Kane, Birth of a Nation, Frankenstein, and Snow White.

That actually makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because those are all, like, you've seen those quoted so frequently throughout your life. Right. Whether it's in a Looney Tunes cartoon or in another film. Right. That it's just become, like, a part of the filmic language.

Yeah, it's their cultural wallpaper. Right. Yeah. And so, yeah, when they did the same process through directors, they found that like the most influential director was, who was the guy who directed Gone with the Wind? George Cukor or something? Yeah. And then Victor Fleming and Alfred Hitchcock. And then so they're saying like, oh, well, if Cukor and Fleming, they probably got there because of Gone with the Wind.

And then other people that were credited for like with The Wizard of Oz. So they basically were like, hold on, we got to figure this out because this isn't quite the best way to do it for directors. So then they created a different metric for directors and actors, which is a little more interesting. So they did more of a what they call a metal ranking system like the Olympics. So you get a gold point for each film that reached the top 5% of influence in the year. It was released a silver for if it was the 5% to 10% and a bronze if it was in the 10% to 25% ranking. So with that in mind, the top three directors in order, number one goes to Hitchcock, Spielberg,

then Brian De Palma. Yeah. Brian De Palma. I mean, I guess he has like the kind of like movies that people have the posters up in their rooms. Right. Scarface and The Untouchables, despite being like... It was a hit movie, and it wasn't that well-received by critics. But that quote from Battleship Potemkin of the baby carriage going down the stairs of the train station has been in just everything.

Oh, the Naked Gun one is my favorite. Right, the Naked Gun one's great, but everybody references that. The most racist one, they had the fucking gardener chasing after his lawnmower going down the stairs. Jesus Christ. That didn't age well. I mean, he also directed Snake Eyes with Nicolas Cage. I'm sure that had a factor.

I'm sure. I think that's probably why he wound up in there. And then when you go to actors, it goes Samuel L. Jackson, Clint Eastwood, Tom Cruise. Okay. Because we know Samuel L. Jackson is like one of the, if you count the movies, he's like the highest grossing actor of all time when you look at the films he's been in. He's been really smart about how he's...

He was in three fucking Star Wars movies. Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. And then when you go to actresses, Lois Maxwell, who played Moneypenny in the early James Bond films. Oh, of course. Carrie Fisher and Maureen O'Sullivan. That all... Wait, which one?

What was Maureen O'Sullivan in? I don't know. Yeah. Carrie Fisher makes sense. What with the Star Wars of it all. And Blues Brothers. Maureen O'Sullivan from Hannah and Her Sisters or Tarzan. Tarzan.

Okay. I guess so. She must have been like a golden age I don't know I'm horribly ignorant when it comes to work so I'm sure someone

will let us know why she would be up there how'd Nicolas Cage do Nicolas Cage I don't have the full list but I'm sure he'd probably be just in the top

I don't know actually I'd be surprised if he wasn't in the top like 30 cause he's also not. He's Nicholas Cage. He's in films that do on the box office, but not necessarily ones that, like, are good. You know what I mean?

I mean. Like The Rock, you know, like, is like, okay. Or, like, Gone in 60 Seconds or National Treasure, shit like that. Are we shit-talking The Rock here? Because. Oh, I did a Bechdel cast on it. I mean, look, The Rock is what it is. No, I can't imagine it did well on a Bechdel cast on it. I mean, look, The Rock is what it is. I can't imagine it did well on a Bechdel cast.

You know what? It technically passed, and we had to change the rules because it was like the one time two women talked about each other. It was in reference to whether or not Jade, Sean Connery's daughter, felt safe talking to him when they met up at that park. So it was technically a conversation that had to do with a man. Okay. So even though it was like, hey, are you okay? I was like, I think it passed. And we had a hard time being like, yeah, we can't let this thing pass.

Yeah. I think it's one of the seminal feminist works of our time. I mean, it was just guy porn. It's the way that it socializes young boys to be like, yeah, fucking this shit is tight. Yeah. It socializes young boys to be like, yeah, fucking this shit is tight. Yeah. All right.

Let's talk about one of our heroes from the early days of this podcast, Milo Yiannopoulos. I thought we were going to talk about George H.W. Bush again. Oh, no. No, he's in the Hall of Fame. But Milo is, you know, he has a whole wing named for him of just faded alt-right stars. Yeah. Lives have just crashed into the side of a mountain. Yeah. Well, I mean, look, he rode his Nazi wave for a little bit.

And, you know, that got a lot of people interested, I guess. But I think this is a good argument for deplatforming motherfuckers like this. Yeah, he seems deplatformed. He took a series of L's over the last 18 months. He had a book deal blow up that didn't go down. He got dumped by the Mercers and Breitbart. He got kicked off Twitter. He owes the Mercers $400,000.

Right. And so now the Guardian just dumped a bunch of documents that just outlines exactly what his tab is right now. what his tab is right now. And they show, as of April 18, Yiannopoulos owed $1.6 million to his own company, $400K to the Mercers, $153,000 to his former lawyers, $76,000 to former collaborator

and writer Alam Bokhari, and $20,000 to the luxury jewelry brand Cartier. At least he was investing his money well. Yeah, yeah. One of the things it also revealed is that he paid other people entirely to write his book pretty much, including Vox Dei, Theodore Beale, the alt-right shitty fantasy author, whatever he is. He's just such a grifter.

I'm glad it all blew up because he's a bad grifter. Oh, yeah. He's terrible. And again, this weird attempt at mainstreaming his Nazi shit, it came with a price. And then he was telling people. So he tried to go on tour with Ann Coulter right after the money dried up. He said, let's go to Australia. And the Australian government was like, no, I'm right.

Can't have you in here. And he basically was like, all right, shit. I guess they reached their racist quota over here, so we can't enter. And then he was like, okay, fine. Plan B, I'll join Tommy Robinson and chinless Gavin McInnes to go down there and again gavin mckinnis yeah same same response the aussies were like sorry mate right good enough of you here so they were like they're like he's just sorry not allowed in the country so his all of his avenues for uh you know uh income have dried the fuck up and then when the Guardian reached out to comment,

they're like, yeah, so you're probably in some pretty bad shape. He's like, oh, yeah. No, that's all fake news. I'm making, I think, like $40K a month right now. So it's all going to be fine. It's all going to be fine. Off of what? He's like, bad connection, bad connection.

Oh, prank caller, prank caller. Yeah, any profile that you read of him is pretty revealing that he's just a grifter. Yeah, just a grifter who is barely keeping it together and, you know, was trying to juggle all these different stories. But yeah, he wasn't very good at it. Unfortunately, neither is the guy who managed to grift his way into the White House currently. So it's, I think he was, you know, one of those people who had that false hope that, oh, well, if he can just bullshit his way into the most powerful position in the country, then why shouldn't I be able to? Well, you know, there's clearly a market to be a

racist piece of shit. Provocateur is the term. Right. I'm sorry. I mispronounced racist piece of shit. How is it called provocateur provocateur i think it's french right and clearly i think you know a lot of people see that wave because you see all these like fake like these people who suddenly just become these like wild far right figures and they always have some billionaires money behind them right like it's almost never someone who just actually arises up of of their own merits like i mean yeah it never is pretty much i Puck from the real world for all of this. Yeah. He was so

popular being a villain, and people were like, yo, that's the wave for this reality shit. This Puck guy was terrible. And he got to the top. And he will be president in 2024, right? Sadly, I'll vote for Puck. We're all gonna vote for Puck. Yeah, I'll vote for Puck from the San Francisco real world. That guy

taught me how to fire a six-snot rocket. Oh, that's right. That's actually his campaign motto. That's what they're putting on the hats. Six-snot rockets, bruh. And finally, there's a story coming out of Europe that just gave me an idea that I think we should steal. Didn't give me an idea, but it is an idea. Is it fascism?

Because I have some bad news for you, Jack. Yeah, we are well on our way to that one. Fashionism. No, so there's this city, Matera, in the south of Italy that was named the 2019 Capital of Culture of the European Union because it has all these ancient caves that people lived in and that they basically turn into tourist attractions for people to like come and you know see them they're basically putting something on the map that wasn't well

known or widely visited prior to that okay and america's big and there are plenty of like really interesting small towns and really interesting like little corners of the country that either have amazing culture or you know have amazing histories like we have some of the best archaeological creations from the native americans in st louis and they had to stop a construction project like mid-stride to keep someone from building a parking lot on top of it the cahokia mounds yeah yeah yeah yeah monk's mound is like one of the it should rival the great pyramid in egypt but it is just mostly ignored they are starting to like give it some looks and i think they built a museum next to it once someone decided to stop the parking lot.

Oh, yeah. There's totally a museum. I grew up in St. Louis for a little while. Yeah. Yeah. There's a museum there. It's pretty cool. Yeah.

Cool stuff. Ah, well, you know, shame that we live in a country who actively hates history. So did you read there's a study about how the sort of bachelor's degree major for history has been on a fucking nosedive over the last couple of years because we were just like, fuck history, man. You know, why not?

I have a useful degree at least in history for nothing. I have a useful degree in dropping out of college. There you go. There you go. Kanye West, I see you, college dropout. Yeah, well, I think, I mean, yeah, because there's so many things, even in LA, you realize like the-

Like that thing where they did the chase in Terminator 2. The thing we call a river, but it's not. Yeah, it's where they did the chase. There was, oh, like even like right by my house that there's this place called Campo de Coenga, which essentially ended like the Mexican-American War. Like that was signed like down the street my house, and I never knew. And there's just so many things all over that you really don't realize. Oh, yeah. You're like, what's that old weird thing that has a gate around it?

You know what I'd suggest for our capital of culture? Have you guys ever heard of Shingletown, California? No. It's a little town in the mountains, kind of near Redding, California. It's a little town, very pretty, and it's where they made shingles for the first time. Oh, cool. Oh, like a roof shingle? Yeah, yeah.

That's why they call it shingle town. Devoted to that. No, they all grow pot now. And everyone has shingles. Everyone does have shingles. And it's a successful product. The itchiest, most painful town in California. I hope that too.

Robert, it's been a pleasure having you, man. Where can people find you and follow you? Well, I spend a lot of time in Shingletown. John Shingletown. You can find me on Twitter at I Write Okay. And you can find my podcast, Behind the Bastards, on the internet, where this podcast is hosted, but under a different name. Ah, there you go.

Because it's a different podcast. Crazy how that works. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Yeah, actually, there's a tweet I've been enjoying. So this is a tweet from at Tom Walker is good. There are no buff wizards in Harry Potter, no Jim in Hogwarts, no one does a push-up at any point. I could crack Ron Weasley's spine like a glow stick.

Miles, where can people find you? On Twitter and Instagram at miles of gray a tweet that I like it's sort of like a response to another tweet so there's a comedian improviser named Ali Gondor who tweeted like an image that says I get the nastiest spam and it's like an email from

amazon.com it says mount your TV for just $79.99 and then Carl Tart at dammit Carl came in. He said the one they sent me was a little different. And his says, fuck the dog shit out of your TV for $79.99. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. A tweet I've been enjoying.

GQ Magazine tweeted, bootcut jeans are making a comeback. And Vampire Workday tweeted, did Michael Jordan write this? a tweet I've been enjoying GQ magazine tweeted bootcut jeans are making a comeback and vampire work day tweeted did Michael Jordan write this which if you've seen pictures of Michael Jordan he's still rocking the bootcut jeans you can find us on twitter at daily

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