The Daily Zeitgeist - NFL Ends ‘End Racism,’ Oh The Democrats Showed Up? 02.06.25

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

In episode 1809, Jack and Miles are joined by writer and co-host of Yo, Is This Racist?, Andrew Ti, to discuss… Is Gold Secretly Behind Every Unhinged Donald Trump Policy This Week?? Oh, There ...You Are Democrats! This Is What No Win Looks Like, The NFL’s “End Racism” Messaging Will Be Removed For This Year’s Super Bowl and more! What Does Trump Really Want From Canada and Mexico? Trump Roasted Over Huge Catch in His Canada and Mexico Tariff “Wins” What a suspicious pattern of Trump trades really reveals Markets React as Trump Proposes U.S. Takes Over Gaza. Gold Hits High Amid Uncertainty. World reaction to Trump’s ‘take over’ and ethnic cleansing plan for Gaza What Drives the Price of Gold? A Psychologist Reveals What Trump's Fixation with Gold Really Means Can the US switch to gold as currency as Project 2025 says? TCU expert calls it ‘insane’ What’s the gold standard, and why does the US benefit from a dollar that isn’t tied to the value of a glittery hunk of metal? Back to the gold standard? It makes no economic sense Will the World Ever Return to the Gold Standard? Cryptocurrency, Truth Social and gold bars: A look at Trump’s reported sources of income The Trump Touch: Donald Trump’s Gold Holdings Revealed Gold, the new fad of Donald Trump Jr. The NFL’s “End Racism” Messaging Will Be Removed For This Year’s Super Bowl LISTEN: So Cold by Balu Brigada WATCH: The Daily Zeitgeist on Youtube! L.A. Wildfire Relief: DONATE: Support the Kaller/Gray Family's Recovery Zeitgang Lightsaber Auction and Fundraiser Displaced Black Families GoFund Me Directory See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's up, Andrew? Yo, how's it going, man? Long time no talk, man. You good? Are you good? No, it's funny. He texted me yesterday. He's like, hey, dude, I didn't want to bother you.
Starting point is 00:00:20 He's like, but now I just wanted to check in. I was going to come back and be like, well, well, well, well, well, it was, it was one of the, cause I was just like trying to like figure out, I was just like, no, he doesn't need to hear. He doesn't need to hear from me in the first week. I don't even hear. I honestly, like I have so many texts from people checking in that I, I respond to within 48 hours.
Starting point is 00:00:47 Yeah. I was surprised how quickly the question came up from Miles, 72 hours after the fire. Where's Andrew? Where's Andrew on all this, I think? I think I said, where's Andrew at with all this? John Stewart is back at The Daily Show and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with The Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. Dive into John's unique take on the biggest topics in politics, entertainment, sports, and more.
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Starting point is 00:03:17 Listen to Minnie Questions on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Seven questions, limitless answers. Hello the internet and welcome to season 374 episode four of Dirt Daily Psych Guys. It's a production of iHeart Radio and it's a podcast where we take a deep dive into America shared consciousness and it's Thursday, February 6th, 2025. Oh shit, that's me. Yep, sorry y'all.
Starting point is 00:03:48 I'm still figuring out step by step. Oh, it's Optimist Day. Wow, Thursday in February. Shout out to all y'all. It's National Lame Duck Day. Or I think that time has passed already. And also look, shout out to all my people who know how to use chopsticks. I know all of us on this screen right now, we know
Starting point is 00:04:09 how to use chopsticks because it's national chopsticks day. And shout out to the people who try to do it and still somehow find a way to make it work. I see y'all sushi restaurants on dates and I think it's fantastic that you don't ask for one stick in each hand. Oh yeah. Doing this one. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:27 Kabob in it. Yeah. For both sides of shit. Oh man. But that is- It is appropriate that optimism day is only one, 365th of the calendar. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:41 That's about the right amount of optimism. Yeah. Exactly. That feels appropriate right now. My name is Jack O'Brien aka We're gonna drop kick dudes miles great karate room Illuminati tofu that one courtesy of locker only on the discord in reference to what I I don't know. Well karate. I think because I said I had a woke karate. He said woke karate.
Starting point is 00:05:08 I said come to my woke karate dojo. Yeah. That's right. In your woke karate room. There it is. I just needed the refresher. It's been a blur, folks. I'm thrilled.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Yeah. Actually, when you reach a certain level of my woke karate dojo, we've replaced the black belt with the Black Lives Matter belt. Wow. It's very unique. with the Black Lives Matter belt. It's very, yeah, it's very, with the yellow stripes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my cohost, Mr.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Miles Gray. I'm going to use the AK again because my cohost back and his house is just some rubble. Hey, my goalpost back. All right. Wow. Still dealing with that folks day by day. The plot thickens with lawsuits, with the EPA, with the army core of engineers.
Starting point is 00:05:55 You're still dealing with that, man. God, sick of this guy fucking bringing up this disaster, man. Like the city, the country's moved on after 14 days. Why can't you? They are going to have some messaging in the end zone of the Super Bowl that acknowledges what LA has gone through in the most oblique roundabout way. So hopefully that'll just help close things up for everybody involved. Hey, at least Kendrick shouted out the valley in the Grammy speech.
Starting point is 00:06:28 That was big. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our favorite guests, one of your favorite guests, a hilarious and brilliant producer and TV writer. You know him from the Yo Is This Race? podcast. It's Andrew T. I'm just pulling. I got pulled in last minute.
Starting point is 00:06:51 So this is from Lockeroni on Discord. Magnum Ti, obviously a cab. But I do like how Lockeroni I assume it auto corrected to a lowercase I and TI. So I was just like Magnum T. What the fuck does that mean? What the fuck are you doing? What the fuck is happening here?
Starting point is 00:07:08 I do feel like we've always had in our bones a knowledge that the cops suck shit. And so there's been like, because they kind of made up the profession of like private investigator. You know, private investigators are just people. In reality, private investigators are just people who take money from mentally ill people who are like, you've got to investigate this person who, this gang stalking situation I've got going where all these people are walking by my house, or somebody who I think is trying to
Starting point is 00:07:45 kidnap my dog or something, that's what private investigators are. But we created this profession in the movies where it's like, well, he's not a cop. He hates cops, but he does cop things. He solved crime. He used to be a cop, but then he got fired for doing like some racist shit. So now he's a PI. It's so bizarrely libertarian to imagine there should just be private detectives. Pinkerton? Yeah. Yeah. Just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's cops, sure, but there's my cops. There's cops and then there's a cop who wears a Hawaiian shirt instead of a police uniform.
Starting point is 00:08:25 So you never see him. You should try, Andrew, from your time boxing. I remember you were an avid boxer. You should do Catch T's Hands. Catch T's Hands. Yeah. That's a new boxing podcast with Andrew T. You know what?
Starting point is 00:08:36 I like boxing, but I don't like watching. I know so little about like the sport of boxing. Yeah. I just like hitting stuff. I'm only watching, I'm watching now because there's a Japanese boxer who is fucking killing it. He's like the champion like four divisions right now. Now he ain't no way.
Starting point is 00:08:56 He's fucking nasty. Nasty. Well that, that is the thing about combat sports to me is like, I like, it's so personality driven, like I kind of just got out of the UFC once it kind of became so clear that they were all Nazis. Right. Every single person in it is a Nazi. Nazis. I lost enthusiasm for it like so fast. What was the era of UFC that you were like, were you off ramped? Like who was killing it?
Starting point is 00:09:28 I mean, it really started when they were having UFC events in like April 2020. Oh, okay. And I was just like, oh, these people are bad people. Like I knew they weren't bad people, but I was like, oh, they're really bad, quite bad people. Yeah. You know, the last time I saw a UFC fight was at your place with iffy when we watched Ronda Rousey get destroyed. That was the last time I gathered for UFC. You kind of like to watch people get beat up who you think are bad people, but it's
Starting point is 00:10:01 just that the number of bad people really started adding up. Yeah, yeah. You're like, they both are Nazis. So can this be a double knockout? Yeah. Even like, I don't know. I mean, there's people you know are bad, but like, it just got laid so bare how truly odious these people are. And it's like, I knew, but like. Did you catch that thing? Because one of the fighters was talking about how Hitler wasn't that bad of a guy and doing this whole revisionist history shit on his podcast. And then he was fighting and then Dana White had to get out ahead of it. And he had like a note card with all this stuff that Hitler did bad.
Starting point is 00:10:35 He's like, obviously Hitler's bad. Uh, he's like, clearly look, he's down to this car. The Holocaust. Yeah. No, he looks down for like Holocaust stats, then looks down at like World War. It was just so weird when like you couldn't naturally just be like, that's appalling. That you'd be like, chat GPT, give me some like bullet points on how to be like Hitler bad. I mean, it's tricky because like, I'm sorry, it's not tricky.
Starting point is 00:11:00 What, Hitler? You're like... Yeah, the Hitler question is... There's a lot of nuance. Getting trickier and trickier these days, guys. What I was trying to say, clumsily, badly, the liking combat sports thing is so tricky because any professional fighter has to have such a individualist worldview, just to like put yourself in the ring and think I can beat up another person, or I can win in a physical confrontation with
Starting point is 00:11:34 another person. Like it requires a certain type of like individualist personality, coupled with head trauma, coupled with testosterone, coupled with just like the right-wing politics of fighting in general, these people are like hopelessly like both naive and prone to this. So I was just like, I knew all this and I still was like, so these guys are all right, but like they're not. And they never have been and they never will be. And I've been, let me see, one, two, three, four, like I've been to four different fight gyms and they're all like, it was just like crazy how like casually it would turn to like Nazi shit. In the locker room or just sitting around and like, you know, there's exceptions
Starting point is 00:12:20 but like they are exceptions. Like the rule is like, it's just the way like, you know, even as depicted in fight club, right? Like you just get these men together, like testing themselves for the first time and like facing anger in a way that they've like kind of never really dealt with and like facing fear in a way that is like more real to them than most other shit. And then you just turn into fucking Nazis.
Starting point is 00:12:45 Yeah. Most of the feelings coming up. Yeah. Yeah. There's your, I still like good old fashioned boxing, but I got into it because I was a fan of a grown men's slow dancing together. That's a passion. Enabling on each other's ears, like clutch each other and slow dance a little bit.
Starting point is 00:13:03 And so that that's more my passion. The punching room, sweet whispers, sweet whispers into another man. Bro, you, you have to check out just Brazilian jujitsu. Oh yeah. Yeah. If you like that, bro, the grappling. Ooh, shoot. You want to see hugging.
Starting point is 00:13:19 It's, it's the fist that actually, you know, get in the way of all the hugging. Yeah. Yeah. That guy is so fucking good at hugging. Holy shit. You should see him. He didn't even need a gi. All right, Andrew, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment.
Starting point is 00:13:34 First, a couple of things we're talking about. We are officially in the Nico Harrison zone with the Trump administration in the sense that we're having to make up conspiracy theories to explain how bad they are at this. So one of the latest conspiracy theories that actually makes a little bit of sense is like gold, Trump's passion for gold is why he's doing this. It's like just pure self-motivated economic pump and dump shit. He's just the leprechaun from the leprechaun. Exactly. It's truly. Did you ever see the end of the show Deadwood where they have
Starting point is 00:14:13 a version of the Hearst ancestor, whoever the first Hearst was to get wildly wealthy. He's this character who just has spiritual, like horniness for gold. Like that's kind of what this presupposes about Trump is just that like, it's like not, it's not just like normal, like, uh, gold going to make me rich, but like, have you noticed, have you noticed like the, where he lives? He lives in a palace of gold. He like just all these different indicators that this person is just
Starting point is 00:14:46 like part gold. He's got gold madness, like smough. Gold fever is actually what they called it. Yeah. We'll talk about, we'll check it with the Democrats. There's been some opposition. There you are. Yeah. Couple, couple things that are somewhat encouraging along with like Chuck Schumer doing like, and we're calling it stop the steal.
Starting point is 00:15:10 We need to create a tuna melt moment. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah. There's been a lot of bad stuff from the Democrats that has not been inspiring, but yeah. And then we'll talk about the Super Bowl. Did you guys hear about the big game is coming up? Oh, the big game. The big game. Yeah, yeah, sorry. And then we'll talk about the super bowl. Did you guys hear about the big game is coming up? Oh, they, oh, the big game, the big game. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Yeah. Sorry. I I'm in this weird, I have this weird nickname for it. That gets me in a lot of legal trouble, but yeah, the big game is coming up this weekend, so we'll talk about, uh, the NFL's decision to, uh, end to end racism messaging, to stop having that written in the end zone, you know, which some people are speculating for, with no evidence backing it up, that it has something to do with the fact that Trump is going to be there and that every corporation is bowing down to him, but they do have
Starting point is 00:16:02 other insincere statements ready to go in the end zone. So we'll talk about that. And we'll also talk about what New Orleans is enhanced Superbowl security will look like because coolers will be banned guns. Not so much. All right. All right. First, safety first folks.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Say fella. But first we do like to ask our guest, Andrew, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Oh, boy. This is going to be a little too a lot shameful, but I just purchased my first big old bag of MSG in my life. Oh, hell yeah. I'm Asian.
Starting point is 00:16:44 Welcome. But like, I'll just reveal this about myself. And it kinda came late in life, but not late enough to justify this. My parents basically have like white people views of Chinese American food. Yo, I had this, no, my mom has this, she has that internalized MSG shit too.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Yeah. Yeah. I had a full blown argument with my mom. She's like, you have MSG. I'm like, why the fuck wouldn't I? What are you? Yeah. Yeah. But it's crazy. Like, like they literally just say old racist white people shit. It gives you me a headache.
Starting point is 00:17:21 It's bad for your joints. You know, all this shit. And I'm just like, this is why you're hungry after eating food in Chinese restaurants, I use our own food. It's crazy. It's crazy how like they're to, to a large extent, my specific men, and I guess maybe your, your specific generation of like Asian immigrants. I think it is. It's like, you know,
Starting point is 00:17:46 I'm just guessing, Miles, if your mom came over anywhere in that similar model minority time. Yeah, 70s, 80s, when it was like, America was only letting in the good ones. They really think they're better than other Asian people, and they really love white people. Yeah, or she just tries to keep her head low. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:18:07 Yeah. Like in a way to be like, well, I don't whatever if they want to fucking say MSG is bad. Like, I don't need to fucking stick. I'm not fighting that. Yeah. Like she was never like outwardly telling me to not eat MSG as a kid. But when she saw this came out, when she saw me have it at my house, she was like, but aren't you worried about so and so? I said, aren't you worried that you've digested anti Asian propaganda? Maybe you should worry about what you're ingesting. That guy?
Starting point is 00:18:31 No, she was like, it kind of fucked her up. She was like, what? And I was like, and also what's wild is to like in Japanese cooking, there is MSG like it comes from dashi or yeah, like, there's a way that we that we're using the cheat code. It's just not putting It's not the chemically extracted version that was created by a Japanese chemist or whatever. I had been dropping a little chunk of seaweed in my rice cooker. Not even Pro-2. It's just very good. Yeah, you got to put a little MSG. But yeah, it was one of those. I watched my grandma. I remember this. This is sort of
Starting point is 00:19:05 I watched my grandma, I remember this, this is sort of formative. My grandma, my kind of, you know, also same kind of generation, same kind of mindset. We were at some like a Chinese restaurant in probably San Gabriel Valley. And she like pulled the waiter aside and was like, we don't know MSG in any of our food. And the waiter just like held back, choked back a laugh and was like, sure. Yeah. I, the waiter have that ability. First of all. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:34 And it was just like, let's change the recipe on everything on the menu. Well, cause now, I mean, most, most restaurants have like, you can see it cause like it's emblazoned on their menus and in the front of their restaurant. It's like, no MSG, no MSG. And I know someone with a legit MSG allergy, but that's very rare. I think it's a very specific thing rather than everyone who kind of claims blanket sort of like. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:00 But also, like, MSG, I'm just like, again, seaweed, tomatoes, parmesan cheese. Have you ever had a Dorito? Like it's, it is genuinely everywhere. So like, I don't know. It's also why a lot of like Asian snacks taste so good to white people too. And they're like, whoa, I've never had anything like this. I'm like, yeah, cause it's got a bunch of MSG. It's called flavor magic.
Starting point is 00:20:33 But to blame them, blame MSG for like food that makes you still more hungry at the end of it. Like they really specific in their concern over that one. Whereas like every food innovation of the past 40 years after the tobacco company took over the food industry has been specifically designed for that. But they're like, no, no, no, just on Chinese food. That's a problem. It's really, but- Because they're using- My parents believe it. I don't know what they're cooking up over there. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:21:00 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You love it. Miles, do you remember the Riz verse in WuWear where he says, but he ate too much monosodium glutamate and polysorbate and drunk grape concentrate with sodium benzoate? Yes. Damn. Yes. Very specific.
Starting point is 00:21:18 Yeah. I mean, look, that's where he was in the beginnings of woke RZA, or basically him just reading the back of nutrition label. Yeah, like I had heard of body monosodium glutamate, but the rest I'm still lost. Well, keep your sword straight. You know, that's what he said first before that. My God. That's right. That's right. Maintain your weight.
Starting point is 00:21:42 Yeah. But he ate too much monosodium glutamate, polysorbate. But a chicken thighs, triclosarides. Is it the, was it the Wu Bible or what the, what the fuck was that book he wrote called? Yeah. Was it like the Tao of Wu maybe? There was, there's just a passage about where he makes the argument that Allah stands for arm, leg, leg, arm, head.
Starting point is 00:22:06 The entire man. Maybe the black man. I don't remember exactly, but I was just like, this is such an incredible reach. This is amazing. I just love the confidence. I don't have anywhere close to the confidence to say something or think of something like that. It was amazing Acronyms are very powerful. Yeah in some way we're out of the I guess we're What's it gonna take acronym acronyms require like we need but that's but that's more like five percent or you know, yeah Yeah, like that's an existing argument. I think yeah is where the risen got that? Rizzo got that. Yeah. That's like leg, arm, head. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:46 Yeah. Just beautiful stuff. The 5% nation. It is kind of. For those that know. Uh, what is something you think is underrated, Andrew? Underrated. Um, I just watched for the, uh, Yo, is this racist premium suboptimal bundle?
Starting point is 00:23:02 We watched, uh, with, uh, a new, new new friend of not new friend, but a new, uh, coworker of yours, if I could say. Yes. Yeah. Basically. Luca Donchich. We got Luca and our producer, Kevin Bartel. Uh, we watched the first fast and furious movie with a zig had never seen it before.
Starting point is 00:23:24 And if that's weird. If anyone knows Cody Ziegler, there's nothing more seeming his personality than the first Fast and Furious movies. When I feel like he just has seen so many films, I feel like- I know. Just generally be like, yeah, of course,
Starting point is 00:23:37 you probably consume that even passively, but- I got to be honest, guys. Don't fucking do it. I started on Too Fast Too Furious. Oh my God. And I've seen everything since that. I saw Too Fast Too Furious. And I've seen everything since that. I saw Too Fast Too Furious in the theaters. That's crazy. Wait, you started with Too Fast?
Starting point is 00:23:50 Yeah. Too Fast is by far the worst. I know. It's diabolical. It's really- I was a big John Singleton fan. I was in my auteur era. I was like, they got Singleton?
Starting point is 00:24:04 For the Fast and the Furious franchise? This is going to fucking rip. Was it Devon Aoki in that too? That's when I was like, oh, come on, bro. Man, that was an era, the Devon Aoki era. Wow. That's so 90s, peak 90s. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:18 So the first one is good, right? You're saying? No, I was going to say it's my underrated is movies filmed in LA, like two blocks from my apartment. It is wild. Basically, like every shot in Echo Park, I, Andrew T, am just off screen. You feel like I swear to God, I'm about to be in this. Yeah, it's insane how like basically, I'm not to dox myself, but Echo Park's pretty dense.
Starting point is 00:24:50 I'm just off camera in every shot in and around Toretto's house. Right. And Toretto's like little office. It's just so much of like, oh shit, that's my street. They just jumped a car on my block. Oh man. The times I've seen like my neighborhood in the movie was in crash when Matt Dillon arrests, pats them down illegally on Ventura.
Starting point is 00:25:11 And Terrence Howard, like that whole scene I'm like, that's the ditch right there. And I hate that fucking movie. Yeah, that's, I'm also just because of the Echo Parkness of it. I'm also like, training day basically takes place right around my first apartment I lived in, in Echo Park. Dude, this sounds like a great tour you could do. The Andrew T. home filming location tour. Yeah, yeah. Where's Andrew? Just imagine like Lil Peanut, the Chihuahua, just off camera every time, every time Toretto's had his house. But yeah, it was one of those like, yeah, movies filmed in LA, two blocks from my house.
Starting point is 00:25:47 Yeah. Matt, Matt Underling. Not specific, but I love that. Do you, so like there's some things that I know too much about and it makes it hard for me to watch movies about, like a basketball, I can't really watch basketball movies. Oh, sure, sure, sure. Because I've watched too much real basketball and I'm just like, that person doesn't know how to like hold.
Starting point is 00:26:05 Did we talk about something unnatural about it? But like what was that the last slam dunk at all? I think yeah, you've mentioned it. I think it's okay. Your work of media before you got to watch that movie and tell me if it's good basketball. Okay, to me, it seems like it. It's all like rotoscoped like animation. I don't know. it looked good to me. Sorry, what was the thing I don't know? Does it get in the way? Like is there like geographical errors that you're like, wait a second, that's not where that would be. They do go from Echo Park to Neptune's Nest,
Starting point is 00:26:36 Neptune's Net, just to eat fries. And it does seem like there's gotta be a better. Neptune's Net is in where? It's in Malibu. Malibu. It's on PCH. Hey, when you live life a quarter mile at a time, you really shouldn't be wasting gas like that.
Starting point is 00:26:55 It's like an hour and a half in traffic. And it does seem like they just eat fries and have a conversation and then dip back to the main plot. I love it. Yeah, I remember the beginning of World Trade Center. I think that's the 9-11 Nicolas Cage movie where it went past my apartment. It's the morning of 9-11 and they're going down south in Manhattan. They go past my apartment, down lower west side, and then the midtown and then like, they're moving up the city.
Starting point is 00:27:29 And then it was really took me out of it. Oh, you know, the, you know, our offices are in Valentine's day, the 2010 movie. With Anne Hathaway. Oh, really? Yeah. They shoot in, I'm like, I'm watching, I'm like, this is our building. Oh, I can tell by the concrete walls. I'm like, I'm watching like, this is our building. Oh, I can tell by the concrete walls. I'm like, what is going on?
Starting point is 00:27:48 Yeah. And then she like walks out, takes off down the street. You're like, yep, there it is. Okay. Damn. Anyway, for those that are interested, do your, do your geoguessing and check out when I worked, when I worked at comedy central, um, and this probably is not a huge surprise to people familiar with cable TV budgets,
Starting point is 00:28:05 but a shocking number of Comedy Central shows, anytime they're in an office, it's shot in one of the boardrooms in one of the Comedy Central offices. Yeah. Now you know what the Comedy Central offices look like. Well, we've got an office. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll hear you're overrated. We'll get into some news. We'll be right back. Hi, this is Ruthie Rogers, host of Ruthie's Table Four. This week, my guest is Zoe Saldana.
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Starting point is 00:31:51 And we're back. Andrew T, what is something that you believe to be overrated? I actually am losing faith that this is a one I haven't said before, but it's too late for me to come up with something else. I think it's overrated being the best or even being very good, highly overrated. I think I'm in my era of even if you're bad, just be better than a few people in your competition. That's my new thing. The genesis of this in the recent incarnation is I for complicated ish, but not that complicated, but some of it I actually can't tell on my reasons. I have gotten a like
Starting point is 00:32:36 fairly high end poker coach. And so one of the things I'm not like that serious a poker player, but I've like sort of stumbled under this high end poker coach. And as a result, I have been forced to play, not forced, I'm electing to, but part of this, the business is- You've been taken hostage by a pretty high end poker coach. I see someone with a revolver just off camera. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's the same.
Starting point is 00:33:01 It's actually Vin Diesel. But I have been doing something that I have been like largely avoiding because I've been mostly playing online for anyone who's been paying attention at all of them, like poker, which they shouldn't be, but I've been basically having to go to the casino and play poker in LA, trying to, trying to hit like 20 hours a week, which one you going to? Are you going to the Hustler Casino? I went to commerce the 20 hours a week. Which one are you going to? Are you going to Commerce? The Hustler Casino.
Starting point is 00:33:26 I went to Commerce the other day. Okay. These are all existing poker rooms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would also play in other poker games, but we're not gonna talk about those. But I just don't like live poker. I don't like the people.
Starting point is 00:33:39 When you play online, it just seems too slow. But I've been playing at the low stakes stakes poker trying to get in some hours. And I just want to say I'm not a good poker player, but what I am is head and shoulders above the worst poker players. 90% of the poker players who come through like a place like that. Yeah. And so, you know, partially it's a little bit of an ego thing, but I'm just like, I just don't play hands with any of the good players. Like I simply will just fold unless I have a monster, but I will just not be in pots if anyone
Starting point is 00:34:16 who hasn't made an enormous evident mistake is in the pot. I don't need to play with this. I'll just play with the people who I know make humongous mistakes. That's my kind of, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I'm not good, but I'm just better. So maybe, yeah, maybe the thing that I'm starting to say is like, it's okay to be
Starting point is 00:34:37 bad, but better than the rest is good enough as long as you know where you are. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Don't think that cause you're not out here being like, I'm the second fucking coming of, you know, what's that dude, Phil, what was that one you were saying?
Starting point is 00:34:51 Phil Ivy or some shit, right? Yeah, I'm not that, I just, I know exactly who I am and I'm just trying to take pots from the people that are just there to gamble or are drunk or are there to have fun, you know, or are really angry. You're doing them a favor in many ways, but just taking one off their hands. You guys said no.
Starting point is 00:35:08 Let me unburden you. God, if I had that $350, I would want somebody to unburden me of it, to quote that guy who was writing about the Nazi. Yeah. Yeah, Harlan Crow. Anyways. Anyway, just be good like as long as you know where you are in in the
Starting point is 00:35:29 Like skill tree pecking order or whatever you want to say as long, you know where you are in the pile Just just you know, just know who you're better than in whatever capacity Yeah, but also know who's got you too because you know, yeah or even who might got you cuz who cares why take the risk? I take the risk? Yeah. Why take the risk? I don't give a fuck. All right. Let's talk about the news. It's a hard news cycle to talk about in this second Trump
Starting point is 00:35:57 administration. There's just so much shit happening, new, wild, unprecedented claims being made on a daily basis. We talked on yesterday's trending about Trump's claim that he is king of Gaza, that he's just going to come through and turn Gaza into the Grove. Jack, let's be fair, he said it, the new Riviera. The Riviera, right, the Middle East. But it's an exciting investment opportunity that he wants to get you up on.
Starting point is 00:36:29 But he's also turned the government and all of its fiscal responsibilities over to Elon Musk, who appears to just be fucking dismantling the thing. It's so chaotic that we are now in what I'm calling the Nico Harrison zone. Nico Harrison is the guy who made the Luca Donchit trade in the past week. And the trade was so bad, so immediately, like evident to everybody, that people immediately were like, okay, we got to like come up with, we got to start coming with conspiracy theories to explain what is actually happening. He can't be this bad at his job. Nobody could be that stupid.
Starting point is 00:37:11 And so that feels like what we're doing with the Trump administration right now as well, because people are suggesting that he is trying to basically raise the price of gold. There's been suggestions in the past, like Ralph Nader suggested that Trump, basically with his faux trade war with Canada and Mexico, where he threatens it, comes up to the edge of it happening and then like walks it back without getting any concessions. You know, like nothing that Canada and Mexico hadn't already agreed to, despite what you will read in a lot of mainstream outlets that are like Trump wins another one. But yeah, people who are actually paying attention and being honest about it are like, that was
Starting point is 00:38:00 weird that he basically tanked the markets for 12 hours. And Ralph Nader, I've been saying for a while, like we need a Ralph Nader type who will advocate on behalf of consumers. Because to be honest, I did not know Ralph Nader was still alive, but he, he has the theory that Trump is just basically doing a pump and dump thing where he, you know, he or people financially tied to him know what he's going to do, know that he's going to scare the market and then withdraw. And so everything will surge back. And so he just like is making trades in a way that makes him billions of dollars.
Starting point is 00:38:43 It's never been proven, but there's not the kind of guy that's going to be the most successful in his first administration. He's not the kind of guy that's going to be the most successful in his first administration. And I think that's the thing about Trump. He's not the kind of guy that's going to be the most successful in his first administration. And I think that's the thing about Trump. He's not the kind of guy that's going to be the
Starting point is 00:38:57 most successful in his first administration. And I think that's the thing about Trump. He's not the kind of guy that's going to be the most successful in his first administration. And I think that's the thing about Trump. He's not the kind of guy that's going to be the most successful in his first administration. And I think that's true. I think that he's bad at his rhetorically, he's an absolute novice and is just a senile old person who people have to take seriously because of the office he holds.
Starting point is 00:39:17 So much chaos comes along with that, even as evidenced by that Gaza thing where even Bibi Netanyahu was like, bro, the fuck are you saying right now? Like he says whatever he needs to, he also wants to enrich himself at all the time, like at any possible moment. And he also loves to outsource thinking to other people. That's why the Elon thing is like,
Starting point is 00:39:39 there's a lot of there, I read another, because there's other conspiracy theories also about what Elon Musk is up to. And a lot of people are pointing to the fact that like, he's, you know, he just built this Colossus, let's call it Colossus, this huge AI data center in Tennessee, I think, and that basically he's gearing up this is one line of thinking is that he's, he's convinced Trump that you can outsource most of the government work to AI and he has the capabilities to do that.
Starting point is 00:40:05 where most of the government work to AI and he has the capabilities to do that. And that's how he can now sit at the fucking in the, in the fucking driver's seat of some techno fascist AI world takeover thing. And that's why other billionaires are getting in line. So there's like, I mean, there's so many things right now that are all seemingly true, but it could also just feel like that can't be it. But I also feel like that's also part of the point, too, just to get people again, like we were talking about this on Monday, they need most people in the country to be like in an absolute state of paralysis
Starting point is 00:40:35 while this is going on in order to just achieve whatever incremental stuff they need in the time being. But yeah, yeah, it's like I see. I see all of it potentially being true. It's more like we need a little more time to really know, get some more details to really see where this thing is headed. But yeah, I feel like there's probably like, like it's like true except for the the grand intentionality of it. I think that's right.
Starting point is 00:41:01 I could see a world where he's reading these theories and being like, oh shit, that's actually smart. Like we should do AI. Right. Yeah. Because it just feels like one of those things it's like, you know, his financial guys know that there's going to be chaos and they have a little tip just because he'll ramble exactly what his thoughts are. But you don't need to have like God level 60 chest to do these things. You can also just, you know, like the insider trading business, it's just like Trump, what are you going to do tomorrow? Great. Yeah. When you create incredible amounts of chaos, like that is a place where people who are open to corruption and people who have a ton of power and wealth already are going to thrive. Like that's what we saw during the pandemic. Like the extremely wealthy
Starting point is 00:41:51 got absurd, like way, way richer. Like that, you know, it's why disaster capitalism is such a thing. And it does seem to be like, so why, if his only goal is to enrich himself and the other people who he, like he's said before, his only real guiding principle is he only trusts people who've made like billions of dollars basically. So those are the only people that he has around him. So if his only goal is to enrich himself know, enrich himself and the billionaires around him, who are the only people he listens to, he's going to, this is what it would look like. You create an incredible amount of instability and then profit.
Starting point is 00:42:36 They'll just figure it out. Yeah. You just figure it out. You just take advantage of the fact that you have access to all of the transacting that's going to happen because people are fucking panicked. And so like, yeah, the gold thing specifically, like gold is considered a safe haven asset. Because like it's the only investment that thrives in times of like high inflation and market volatility and geopolitical uncertainty.
Starting point is 00:43:05 high inflation and market volatility and geopolitical uncertainty. And obviously that's, if you could name like a thesis statement for like what he's trying to accomplish, like that seems to be it, you know, is marked volatility, geopolitical uncertainty. And then it just tied back to the fact that like he can be said to have any sort of spiritual affinity, it would seem to be for gold, like from day one. He's just paved everything in gold, worn gold, all of his buildings are gold. He's been like a day one, like I think you should invest in gold. Project 2025 specifically calls for a return to the gold standard. Which like, I know that these people are stuck in the fucking 18th
Starting point is 00:43:55 century, but Jesus Christ. Right. Yeah. Nobody has thought that was a good idea. Who's been paying attention for a long time, but yeah, I don't know. It would be terrible for a number of reasons that people have noted that it would have made the Great Depression worse, which it seems like we're headed for one of those,
Starting point is 00:44:14 and just on top of being fundamentally undemocratic. But again, if you think of it as just like his only goal is to enrich himself and the like Billionaires who are the only people he actually listens to then yeah, that's the point right? Yeah, that would be the entire well But but I guess what I mean though is like The it's the point in a general sense. Yeah, but it's not like alright Here's what I'm gonna do I think you know like he thought the terrorist thing would work and he he's like doesn't care that it doesn't it's just that like as
Starting point is 00:44:51 an ancillary thing You know his money guys are like great This is just just do you dog and like we'll figure out we'll figure out the details Don't worry about this, but it's not like he I think like he doesn't have it He doesn't have that kind of brain and doesn't need that kind of brain. So why would he acquire that kind of brain? I just I don't know but he is he's just the kind of person though He he just needs other people to alley you pimp some ideas constantly and that's how they benefit They're like you'll get in his ear and then he might do that shit and then
Starting point is 00:45:21 Yeah, I'm thinks it's a good idea for other reasons. Other people like this will appeal to Trump for X, Y, and Z, but really we'll get our shit out of it. Yeah. And yeah, it's just happening so fast that now even the Wall Street Journal is like, um, can we maybe all the, all of this winning isn't great, you know, for like the markets. It is interesting to see like the Wall Street Journal being one of the more. Not, I mean, not that they're really coming out as opposition
Starting point is 00:45:45 But how they are they're starting to become they're like you're making all the stock people a little nervous here with all this Truly in like all this instability you're creating. I mean, you know, eventually like fucking Some reality has to come home to roost for some of this shit like, you know,, the most evident one is the RFK business. It's like, you know, you can, you can have all your beliefs about big pharma. Vaccines just work like someone will have polio in America, or like there will be a polio pandemic in America soon. If this keeps going and like, okay, like what like, like, just their ideas do not actually work. So like, like, like just their ideas do not actually work.
Starting point is 00:46:25 So like, like that reality is going to like manifest itself eventually. Yeah. You know, whether it's market instability. Well, I mean, I think the first things like getting rid of USAID and stuff like that, like those shockwaves are going to be felt immediately outside of the country. And then when you look at whatever fuckery is going on with the payment systems, and if they really start like sticking their fucking fingers in the gears of that shit and shit starts fucking jolting, then that will be felt
Starting point is 00:46:53 like in the U S and it's already, you know, there, there are already there. You can already see how municipalities are trying to sort of preempt any chaos by shutting certain programs down and things like that. So it's already happening, but I just, I don't think you just reached that critical mass quite yet. Yeah. Yeah. Like what? Yeah. People are going to stop getting benefits and like payments and like that, that, I mean, that's already happening. And like whether the, you know, the bureaucrats are like, whether that side of it, whether they stop getting paid, like people
Starting point is 00:47:25 downstream are definitely going to stop getting their payments. And it's just a matter of like, is anybody going to notice when the elderly stop getting or fucking do something about it? You know, like, please. Yeah. Speaking of which, the Democrats have started talking say some stuff showing up like trying to show signs of an opposition Yeah, yeah, that's what everyone was wondering. Yeah So is anybody gonna say anything about this like I just have to read headlines that are so fucking frightening
Starting point is 00:48:02 Yeah, but here's the thing obviously Because these people on the right are absolute cowards, they decided to really do all this dirt over the weekend when Congress had adjourned members out of D.C. And they're like, yeah, this is great. Nobody's in town. Like the babysitter is here. The babysitter ain't even here. And they get back Monday so we can do whatever the fuck we need to.
Starting point is 00:48:22 So they come back Monday. Then we start hearing more than just sort of tweets that were being sent out over the weekend and the Democrats held a rally in front of the treasury on Tuesday. Like literally around the same time when Trump was with Bibi Netanyahu talking about how the U S is going to take ownership of Gaza and how like Palestinians are just, they're just going to have to find another place to go. Um, so we heard from a lot of different people. First, let's play something from Senator Chris Murphy,
Starting point is 00:48:50 who has, since the election, really kind of like being like, is, are we the problem? I don't know, maybe you are. He's kind of like trying to figure out. Are we the baddies? Yeah, how far he's going to have to drift from the establishment. But this was his first sort of remarks around just how, you know,
Starting point is 00:49:08 indebted to billionaires this whole system has become. It's a bit ironic though, coming from a party that's also just as entrenched in billionaire money, but nonetheless, this is the opposition for the moment. We don't pledge allegiance to the billionaires. We don't, we don't pledge allegiance to Elon Musk. I'm not going to be a billionaire. I'm not going to pledge allegiance to the billionaires. We don't pledge allegiance to Elon Musk. We
Starting point is 00:49:35 don't pledge allegiance to the creepy 22-year-olds working for Elon Musk. We pledge allegiance to the United States of America. that my mother gets her Social Security check not because she pledges allegiance to Elon but because she pledges allegiance to the United States of America. I want to make sure your neighbor gets their tax refund not because they pledge allegiance to the billionaire class but because they pledge allegiance to the United States of America. Thank you, President. Now, fine. That's great. Do we need to pledge allegiance for their humanity?
Starting point is 00:50:11 Say the pledge and then we'll get you here and allow you to live You want this shit you better pledge allegiance right now Gone of the right now to the flag gone of the United Republic. Yeah, you're not even looking at the flag. Take your hat off. So, yeah, then we had many other people speak. I also just want to call out Sydney Camlager Dove, who is from California, like represents the area like, you know,
Starting point is 00:50:40 like southern Los Angeles area. She brought in like she came with some fire. OK, and she also did a nice, nice reference to a Damon Waynes, beloved Damon Waynes character. Is total corruption for an unhinged, unqualified, unvetted billionaire like Elon Musk and his sycophants to come into our Treasury to try to take control of our government to have access to our Social Security numbers our Social Security payments our medical benefits all of the information that we use when we are trying to get a motherfucking tax return Yes And you're gonna take our money
Starting point is 00:51:37 Homie don't play that. Wow. All right. There we go. Where am I? Where's Gen X at? I don't think so. Love that. But like, you know, again, we're, this is just, there's so much happening. They're right now just starting to figure out how they're articulating their opposition. I think her point connects a little bit better
Starting point is 00:52:01 than like, don't pledge allegiance to billionaires, to America. It's better to be like, that's my motherfucking money. Yes. Let's not forget that is not someone else's money. This is, you know why your check looks so fucking light. You know, I love these ones. They take it all that that's over there and they're fucking with that money too.
Starting point is 00:52:22 And you need to actually understand that, that that is, those are the things that that go to support you and your community and you down the road when you need it, if there's even Social Security at that point. But right now, it's just kind of tough because we're getting a lot of fiery words, but we need to see what is the action because, you know, like you've seen, like this is truly elevated AOC in a way that past moments in, you know, political history, or at least past moments in her career have it because now she seems to be the one of the few people articulating things at least a little bit clearer than the, like the, some of the establishment Democrats who are just obviously really good at reading a room and then figuring out how to co-op that energy to just kind of swing things back to neoliberal bullshit. And so it's interesting to see how this sort of evolves
Starting point is 00:53:13 because there's clearly no one voice that's fully making the point that is going to like pierce through. And that's where I'm just like, okay, let's, I see that y'all are saying like literally like we need to shut this city down. Like this is war, what they're trying to do to the government. But those words are great. But now, like this needs to see like, how does this manifest on Capitol Hill with what you guys do as legislators and the things
Starting point is 00:53:38 you can do, like file lawsuits and launch investigations and things like that. I mean, I think it's just been so clear. Like the reason we are in what we are is because the Democrats are doing exactly what they want to be doing. Like, I think we're just at the point where we have to acknowledge, like. It's not like, Oh, they're being out maneuvered. They're maneuvered. They like the Nancy Pelosi's of the world.
Starting point is 00:54:04 This is what they want it like, or this is what they're capable of accepting. Like, you know, right. They're not evil, but they are evil. It's yeah, it's just like. How the fuck do you not have like, I guess it's just like anyone that got rolled by Newt Gingrich shouldn't get a say anymore because he lost like 20 years ago. Right. Right. Like, like, shut the fuck up. Please shut the fuck up. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:29 Now they got us right where we want us. Yeah. Right. Right. Like where they're at. They're like, oh, man, the way we're going to fundraise off of this. Oh, yeah. Like, no. Like you there's someone posted a meme on Twitter. I forget who, but it's just sort of like the fucking trolley car dilemma with like, you could flip the switch and it said like, you could pull
Starting point is 00:54:50 the switch or, or lose your way to fundraise forever. Yeah. And then be like, no, yeah. Let it ride. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's going to the only way out is to fully abandon all of those ideas that again, like to your point, Andrew brought us here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:10 Is there anyone doing like, is that what, when you say AOC has been vocal and like kind of better at articulating that is that kind of where she's headed? Because I mean, she could, she could just go in that direction. She doesn't have to listen to Nancy Pelosi anymore. Like it felt like she was struggling with like Pelosi and the powers that be in the Democratic Party. I don't know if the Democratic Party recognizes it, but functionally, the Democratic Party has never been more hopeful or powerless. Yeah. I say that more. She's trying to speak directly to American people about,
Starting point is 00:55:46 not in a wonky way of more just being like, yeah dude, they're fucking everything up. But this is the point, people need to fucking, we just have to weather this and then figure out how we push back. There will be ways to push back. That was a little bit better than just going through like, this is bullshit. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:07 And that's fine. And it is, and it's, I'm glad that you're on record saying that this is bullshit, but also like there needs to be some semblance of a leader too, to say this is what needs to be done again. I'm not saying that I don't know who the best option is, but that sort of very clear-eyed direction is right now not really there. Well, currently she is the best option. Yeah, she is the best option.
Starting point is 00:56:36 Just given that no one else is even... Available. Yeah, given that they're no one else. Given what's on the table. But it is just like, like, especially with like the like older establishment Democrats, it is this like circle of like, you got to do something. We need you to call us to make us do something. Call. What the fuck are you talking about? Call your senator.
Starting point is 00:56:55 That's you, right? Yeah, but I got to know, you know, I got to hear from you. This is my 900 number. And I'm lonely and horny. Guys, if my donors just keep calling me, I'm going to do what they say. You know? It's purely a phone call basis. But if more constituents...
Starting point is 00:57:12 Yeah. Oh, shit. How much can you publicly pass the buck? Like fucking take some responsibility and do something, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and it's kind of like, it's sad to see that the women of color in Congress, yet again, are some of the most vocal people
Starting point is 00:57:33 who are really connecting to what is happening, like the stakes. And I'm just like, oh God, the fucking irony again, is that we're counting on, like we're counting on a group of people that fundamentally this party just ignores too. Keeps abandoning. Yeah. It means.
Starting point is 00:57:51 Repeatedly. But yet again, and I think that's what's so heartbreaking too, just even in the summer of 2020, you see people, despite being absolutely shit on repeatedly by this country, that there is a belief that somehow this place can be better. And yet to see, to see those people step up and, and, you know, trying to lend their voice at a time like this, it's like, just the irony is it's kind of like, it's, it's kind of difficult to watch at the same time. I'm like, yeah, because these are the, these are the same people that they were, they were going to
Starting point is 00:58:21 run y'all out on a rail for deigning to acknowledge the humanity of Palestinian people. But now because you have a loud voice to talk up against Trump and now it's like, oh, well, hey, maybe it's going to do something. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll talk about the Superbowl. Yeah. Hi, this is Ruthie Rogers, host of Ruthie's Table Four. This week, my guest is Zoe Saldana, and what a woman she is.
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Starting point is 01:02:22 during this year's Superbowl. From the, so as we all know, the words end racism. We're right there above Kansas City chiefs. The Kansas City chiefs. Yep. Just out of view from the television broadcast. Yes. And just doing the heavy lifting of fighting systemic racism in the United States. doing the heavy lifting of fighting systemic racism in the United States, but they have announced that they will now be removing that. And they didn't specifically say whether this
Starting point is 01:02:54 was a move designed to placate Trumpism, specifically since he's going to be attending the game. So we have to assume their, their heart is in the right place. As we always do with the NFL. I mean, this is like all corporate like diversity or inclusivity, anything, which is like, it's never been about doing the right thing. It's all about what they thought would make them the most money that kind of the only scary thing about everyone abandoning as much of this is that, look, we've seen so much that the business people at
Starting point is 01:03:31 the high end are remarkably like passive sheep as far as like reading what they think the trends in America are. But it is a little troubling that somewhere along the line, clearly someone has been like, it is now, somehow the makeup of America has changed. It's now more profitable to be racist. To be racist. Yeah. Which it always was. White supremacy is like the,
Starting point is 01:03:56 like do we think that they're actually saying that in boardrooms or are they like, I think the, I think the language around DEI has, and also their experiences with doing the most half-hearted, willfully empty version of DEI over the past few years, and then being like, well, that didn't work, I think allows them to just call it like we're actually moving away from DEI initiatives now. Yeah. Well, I mean, because that's their way of talking about it. to just call it like we're actually moving away from DEI initiatives now.
Starting point is 01:04:25 Well, I mean, it was a way of talking about it. It's always been an arm of their PR. Like, it's never been an arm of the core business. So they're just electing to believe that their public relations is better served through racism. Which is, you know, their businesses, by and large, have always been that. So it's like, it's really just like what face paint they're like trying to put on. Yeah, it's never good. It's never good when those guys put on face paint. I'll say what colors it's actually, it's actually shoe polish. Well, what the fuck you doing?
Starting point is 01:05:02 Well, what the fuck you doing? I talked about an NFL game I was watching this year where they came back from these ads that are like million, $4 million short films. They have Hollywood filmmakers that spare no expense when they're making these things. The productions are all of the highest level of production resources they have. And they cut back to this NFL game and they have like their attempt at like doing anything with like social justice in mind was like showing like a poorly lit shot of like somebody holding a check on the sideline for like $8,000 for Detroit Public Schools.
Starting point is 01:05:50 And then Detroit Public Schools got a da-da-da-da, just blew through it like it was the fucking boilerplate at the end of a car ad. And then we're like, and now like Carrie Underwood performs, like these like giant explosions. And it's just like, and then now they're like, well, we tried and it's like, no, you like did the opposite of try. You made it seem like this shit is stupid with every like ounce of what you were bringing to it. You just ignored it.
Starting point is 01:06:24 You didn't try and tell a story. You didn't try and do anything. You just made it seem like it was fucking vegetables. Like it was homework for people that you had to get to before you got back to the entertaining stuff and now they get to, because they did that, like not only did they not solve the problem that was supposed to be about, but now they get to be like, we tried and it actually backfired. It's like, no, it didn't backfire.
Starting point is 01:06:52 Like you just treating it like shit with like zero thought and like open derision is what backfired. Right. Exactly. It's like, it's, there's just an addiction to white supremacy and patriarchy that they cannot be excised. And until it is, you cannot count on the people to, to address those issues. You know what I mean? It's like in that version, it sounds like when, you know, like I've had
Starting point is 01:07:15 friends who go into rehab and they did not make a good faith effort there. They just weren't ready to, and then blamed rehab for why it's bullshit. bullshit and actually they're like it's just a weird yeah there's like a way to be like you didn't you're not actually engaging with it in a way that anything would change so of course to preserve your own ego you're gonna arrive at the conclusion that this thing doesn't work and you're okay and that's not the greatest metaphor but I'm saying like in the sense or like I did this like even in my own relationships like couples therapy like I didn't want to go. So I was like, not I was not really with health.
Starting point is 01:07:51 Yeah. I was like, and then I'm like, I don't think this shit working. It's like, no, bro, you are not working at all. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, well, I'm not I don't have the wisdom to accept that critique right now. So I'm just get angry. I did have a we jump in on that. Yeah, there's a cover, which is that like, to the extent that there's a small silver lining to any of this, obviously, like all these corporations ending
Starting point is 01:08:14 these like, programs is not or like programs or points of view or PR positions is not like good. But to Miles's point, it is also worth highlighting how little they were actually doing even with these programs. So it's like, yes, things are being taken away, but it is less than they said was being given, if that makes sense. It's not nothing. I understand it's not nothing, but like, they were never trying. So like, they never actually gave a shit. So like, yes, like opportunities are being taken away. And like, just like a positive light on
Starting point is 01:08:49 people who aren't white men is diminished. However, it's less diminished than it seems, because it was never there in the way it was before. Also in the silver lining category, guys, the end racism message will be replaced Also in the silver lining category guys, the end racism message will be replaced by, like they've been working in the lab to like find the most insincere statements. And we've got, it takes all of us and choose love. Yeah. Both, uh, both seem like they would be slogans from the back of the jersey of like white players during the NBA.
Starting point is 01:09:31 What was the education reform education? Andrew t as always such a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you follow you all that good stuff? Um, you can find me. Uh, YozisRaces, this is my podcast. We just did a premium, dropped a premium, watched along. It's two hours in change of us talking over Fast and Furious. Are you a fan? Because my thinking on it had always been like they started getting really good at like four or five. Yes. They didn't really start getting amazing until five.
Starting point is 01:10:08 Yeah. Okay. I weirdly have seen every single one of them in the theater opening weekend except for I think nine. I think so, but I wasn't like a huge fan until, look, I mean, there's a commercial, there's a commitment in especially the later ones to racial diversity that is undercut by the pretty heavy handed massage. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:34 Of the movies. It's a little bit of a push, but you know, sort of grading on a blockbuster curve. Yeah. By far the most diverse and, you know. Yeah, yeah. They are like exhibit A of like when you read those like Sony hack emails and they're like, guys, we just can't have movies that don't star white men that look like me. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:10:57 Those are just the facts. It's like, this is a great example of like why that's so incredibly wrong. You know, and to go back, I know to the depressing conversation from earlier, it's like, you know, people of color, queer people, women are still going to exist. And for the medium term future, they are still going to have some sort of, even if capital is the only thing that matters, they're still a demographic with buying power. And so on some level, they still matter and their power or your power, our power can still be felt. It's unfortunate that it has to be felt through how we spend our dollars, but that's another avenue. It can be felt through how we work and what we do
Starting point is 01:11:39 and where we choose to work and what we do when we choose to be at work. So for now, like there's relatively little like coercion in terms of those things. So like fucking use that power like while we have it. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, Fast and Furious. Is there a work of media you've been enjoying besides Fast and Furious? I literally don't remember if I said this one already, but I really enjoyed the movie Presence, which has its flaws, but it's a Steven Soderbergh movie that's out. It's in the trailer. It's kind of a spoiler, but it's just in the trailer.
Starting point is 01:12:21 But it's a indie ghost story told from the POV of the ghost. And it's, you know, I have thoughts it's not perfect. But it's, oh, shit, maybe I did mention it on this podcast. All right. Well, I fucking enjoyed Presence. I also enjoyed Hard Truths. I did also watch the re-release of Seven recently, which I enjoyed less than I did when I first saw it. Seven, remarkably reactionary in terms of its view of what the city is. You want to stay clear. It's written from the same intellectual perspective as Hallmark movies, where they was like, get the fuck out of the city. It's evil in there. I get the general comment on the degradation of humanity.
Starting point is 01:13:07 And I know it's a thing David Fincher wants, but the actual nuts and bolts of like, what's actually wrong with people boils down to a remarkably Bill O'Reilly view of what New York is. Yeah. Oh man. Get out of there. You'll get, you'll turn so perverted. You'll have, you'll kill people with your. You'll have, you'll kill your sex.
Starting point is 01:13:25 You'll take that Wu Tang interstitials skit about keep feeding you and feeding you literally to somebody. Did they give Wu, the Wu Tang clan residuals on that? Because what the fuck man? That dude, they, I mean that the gluttony one. Yeah. Yeah. That's straight out of the Wu Tang song.
Starting point is 01:13:44 Yeah. Yeah. And there was that one dude who they put his that the gluttony one. Yeah, yeah. That's straight out of the Wu Tang song. Yeah. Yeah. And there was that one dude who they put his nuts on the dresser and hit that shit with a bat like black like loud and then everyone was just kind of like, Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, you guys are in a fucking, a fucking yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:01 They're like, I'm in the script. They're like, this is I'm this is the Wu Tang script is banging that shows like that bang put that put a co-hanger on a hot stole and sticky ass like From the challenge miles where can people find their work of media you've been enjoy re back to hang folks Yeah, find me at miles of gray everywhere media you've been enjoying. Sorry, back to Wu-Tang, folks. Yeah, find me at miles of gray everywhere they got the ad symbols find us on the basketball podcast miles of jack-o-man boosties find me on 420 day fiance talking 90 day fiance. Some tweets I found a tweet I liked. Gritty is the
Starting point is 01:14:41 way at gritty 2020 2020 is the one who posted that Democrats trolley car dilemma. But the tweet that I like is from at prem underscore Thacker. It said, Democrats were quicker to respond to students protesting a genocide than to the richest man on earth trying to unilaterally shut down a government agency. I had one with a very similar sentiment. Just prove us wrong, Democrats. I'm sure they're going to be like, that is not fair.
Starting point is 01:15:12 Prove us wrong. Let's see it then. Yeah. Get out there. Jesus Christ. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien and on Blue Sky at Jack OB1. Sorry, something from Blue Sky I've been enjoying is from Defunctland, who just tweeted a screen cap from what appears to be an old newspaper article that says,
Starting point is 01:15:36 the Pillsbury Doughboy, no matter what anyone says, would look great on a bicycle. Riding a bicycle is something very appropriate for the dough boy to do. Tim Johnson said Saturday it's in his personality and defunctly tweeted that and said, nodding my head in agreement. Just like reading that like, yes, exactly. Yes. Pop and fresh. Pop and fresh love to ride that bike. Why Pillsbury Doughboy has been all over the zeitgeist lately for some reason. I'm seeing him tweeted, tweeted about. It's probably just all part of like our pop culture regression.
Starting point is 01:16:08 Yeah. It's like, woohoo. Woohoo. Yeah. It would be great on TikTok. Yeah. I mean, it's time, his time has come. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.
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Starting point is 01:16:47 Yeah, just a fun kind of rock tune. I think it says it said New Zealand to New York, so I'm guessing they're probably Kiwi. The band is called Baloo Bragada, B-A-L-U-B-R-I-G-A-D-A, and the track is called So Cold. It's's just like, you know, I like it. Just something to have on a little bit with words, not like the last couple of instrumentals I've been talking about. So check this one out, So Cold by Balu Brigada. Balu Brigada, great combination of syllables. Balu Brigada.
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