The Daily Zeitgeist - nOrMaL, Shrkrelief 4.10.20

Episode Date: April 10, 2020

In episode 606, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and writer Michael Swaim to discuss when things will go back to normal and what the new normal will be, Martin Shkreli wanting to be let out of jail to find a cure for coronavirus, a murder plot involving an ex-NFL player, Vulture movie club, quarantine activities, and more!FOOTNOTES: Wuhan Gradually Returns To Everyday Life. But It’s Not The Same As Before. Martin Shkreli Wants Out Of Prison To Save Us All From The Coronavirus Ex-NFL star Chris Johnson accused in murder-for-hire shootings It’s Only Fitting That We All Watch Parasite This Friday WATCH: Mos Def 'If You Can Huh! You Can Hear' [1997] Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say officially off the top, fuck the Koch and fuck fox news it's friday april 10th 2020 my name is jack o'brien aka quarantine quarantine quarantine quarantine stay home is the answer quarantine that's courtesy of micro brewologist uh i think it's a repeat but they repeated somebody else's so hey fuck it uh i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray i'm eating so much pizza and spaghetti with meatballs. But what I crave is tuna from Subway. And that is all. If I found Subway tuna in a sandwich on the ground, I'd risk coronavirus and put that shit in my mouth.

Well, I really miss Subway. Oh, baby. I really miss tuna. You know. Okay, so thank you to Christy Yamaguchi-May and Crispy Meme Donut for that sublime inspired cover. What a sublime AKA. Also, if you listen to the trending episode, you know some some restaurants subway restaurants are now grocery stores where you can go and buy your own subway ingredients so you could be a sandwich artist

at your own home subway sublime oh so good you love to see it one of these days i i think we should do an aka where you just keep going and it becomes the whole album uh you just go for a full album almost like yeah like like uh what's going on episode yeah yeah but like marvin gaye is what's going on where it's like actually the whole album is an experience and you don't realize you're like whoa i've read it when you man i had i took a college class where the professor for like three days like we're just gonna listen to this album album and like just really let it hit you. And is it three hours long or y'all just listen to it over? No, no, but he was like breaking it the fuck down.

You know, it was like a full, this was like before YouTubers were making like out full on, like this was an early podcast breakdown of Marvin Gaye, but fantastic class. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious, the talented, Mr. Michael Swaim! Hey, I'm Michael Swaim. Thrilled to be here on iHeartRadio,

a.k.a. That's Just the Way It Is. Some things are Michael Swaim. That's just the way it is some things are michael swain that's just the way it is all but don't you believe it wow never wow i would never believe thanks to chrissy yamaguchi main for supplying what 85 of the akas on this show always happy to hear a crispy man so many yeah i mean but the choir has brought out many new voices uh into the aka chorus yeah it's it's you love to see it we're calling it choir now okay all right you're the boss i mean no that's what jamie loftus started saying and then that became kind of accepted nomenclature yeah you know if it's got the loft to seal of approval then i'm on board definitely quar quar good god jaw michael what's going on where are you man where are you located

oh uh i'm currently in the city of emeryville near oakland i had to drag the third seat all the way from your studio here it was a pain in the balls but worth it we actually moved during quar uh like oh my goodness yeah packed a u-haul because movers were a non-essential service uh to move all our stuff from la to sf with gloves masks the whole bit had to ditch 30 of our furniture it was a whole deal whoa yeah but now we're safely ensconced with our one cat in our new house with no furniture. But the third seat, the third seat's coming in handy. I'm sleeping on the third seat. It's our bathroom.

We eat off the third seat. You guys ever sleep upright? Yeah, exactly. Why are so many people moving during the quarantine or shutdowns? I feel like every other person we've talked to, I feel like I know so many people that have moved within the last month. It's a bad idea. I don't recommend it. I mean, I guess it's just the timing of things.

Yeah, I took a new gig and our lease was up and so it was just time and it just didn't work out. It just didn't work out, you guys. But yeah, happy to be where I am. My cat recently started sleeping with one of its eyes open it's creeping me the fuck out but that's my main problem so i'm pretty blessed hashtag blessed whoa that's amazing so like is it just resting one half of its brain at a time i have no idea a couple days ago i hope it's not neurological or something grim but like uh it keeps one eye halfway open

and it does the rem like the little slit darts around whoa like that guy in the x-files or like a sauron eye looking for you know frodo through the through the brush so your cat just keep an eye out like i i captain yeah exactly i'm not into it i know she's dreaming about eviscerating small animals and i don't like it i don't like it uh all right michael we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about we are talking about uh just being ready open for business in may just looking forward to the inevitable day when we're open for business. It seems like the Fauch.

Maybe, what, like three weeks? Yeah, three weeks. Come on, man. I'm not going to put a timetable on it, but come on, man. It's going to be May. And it seems like the Fauch is on board, so we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about Martin Shkreli.

We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about Martin Shkreli. Shkreli. We're going to talk about some early intelligence warning that the White House got. We're going to talk about a journalist who asked Trump about Tiger King. Yeah. We're going to talk quarantine activities. We're going to talk about why maybe some TV doctors should sit this whole pandemic thing out. All of that. Plenty more. But first, Michael Swain, what is something

from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Well, I think initially revealing about how dumb I am is my most recent search history is like five different iterations of how to access Google search history myself. I couldn't figure it out. You have to go to like myactivity.google slash myactivity it's dumb anyway that's not the one I wanted to bring to the table uh we're my girlfriend and I while we quar and Netflix are catching up on Better Call Saul the most recent season so my search is Michael Mando speaking French because she gets celebrity crushes on a very narrow set of like people that traditionally are niche or like she doesn't fall for your Brad Pitt's or even your Keanu Reeves's

or whatever but she's super into Michael Mando who's Nacho on Better Call Saul and oh okay so she was like uh you know orgasming out about him while we were watching Better Call Saul. And I was like, I got to look into this guy. I need to know if this is going to become a problem, if he travels in my circles. No, but anyway, he has a really interesting backstory. It turns out he's Canadian. His first language was French. And he speaks English, French, and Spanish.

If you've seen the show, he speaks Spanish a lot on it. And I was, she was like, he speaks Spanish a lot on it. And I was, she was like, him speaking French would be so hot. So we tried to find a video of Michael Mando speaking French in something and it became tenser than the show because it was this clip from a French movie he's in where this woman's like just yelling at him

and yelling at him over a table. It was like eight minutes long. And she would like do this long spiel of French and then look at him and be like, non, non, je sais non, or whatever. And he would just go. And she would like continue again. And we're like, when's he going to get a line in the scene?

Eight minute video at the very end. He goes, je m'appelle, and it ends. And we're like. So I don't know what michael mando speaking french feels like but i bet it's sexy as hell that that's our working theory right undoubtedly yeah i so you said like uh my my girlfriend has sort of strange taste and uh better call sol and i was like picturing Jonathan Banks but then I looked up Michael Mando he's he's like a hot dude it's not that the taste is not that strange yeah I'd say

okay so if there's like triple a and double a she goes for the double a she doesn't want to have a crush on the one that everyone's gonna name she I think she takes pride in that and she likes and hot guys yeah and so she likes uh fixating on a little detail for michael mando it's the uh the little bald spot in his eyebrow whether it rubs her motor yeah a little ball spot on an eyebrow nibbles her elbow go a long way yeah all right uh what's something you think is underrated stairs non-moving stairs uh non-moving stairs yeah and and specifically stairs that are like a set of four useless stairs that seem pointless or three stairs in your house not counting front porches uh because the place we just moved to it is essentially a single story house but for some reason half of the bedrooms are up three sets

of stairs and then there's the ground floor what i'm calling the ground floor and then you go down two stairs and there's this cement like basement area and i feel like i live in a mansion i feel like i live in a three-story estate yeah exactly and it's like barely what we could afford in the area and it's not big but for some reason the conceptual idea of uh all my quads are a little sore i have to go up these three stairs i'm like well now i'm in a new space yeah like i could murder someone here jen wouldn't even hear me. She's up those four stairs. Do you think it's an addition where like the ground floor is like built on a slab and not a raised foundation? It's like additions to the house is what's causing the multi-level feel? It's got to be.

It's 100 years old. So I'm imagining that like half the house sank into the ground and they're like, just throw some stairs on that at some point. And now I'm the recipient of that largesse. Yeah. Right before, yeah, someone looked at it like, is this thing like just sinking over here? No, no, no, no. That's actually the second story that we're building and the stairs haven't been installed yet. Yeah. It's actually added value. And I also just love the idea of the first time. I love that we decided we looked at slopes like a sloped plane to go to the top of a hill that we're like fuck that chop it up i want like even gradations

uh i don't even know that it's easier to walk upstairs than it is to go up a ramp of the same height stumped you. There's no way for science to know. I guess if it's slippery. Yeah, are stairs necessary? If it's slippery, yes. But if not, if it's indoors on a plane that's never

going to get wet and you can adjust the amount of traction and the friction levels, then I don't know. It's just doing hell on your ankles. I would love and you can adjust the amount of traction and the friction levels, then, yeah. I don't know. It's just doing hell on your ankles. I would love, in the center of my house, like a big spiral ramp instead of a staircase.

Yeah, like the Guggenheim Museum. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Miles, you say hell on your ankles. I say loosen your calf muscles. What are we talking about here, man? My calves are loose. My calves are loose. Don't worry about my calves.

Well, you do have traditionally, and what is famously, some of the loosest calves out there. What cannibals would call prized hams. Prized hams didn't want to go see didn't want to go for the beef pun with calves but okay no i don't know why i just because i look at my leg all the time in the choir and i'm i'm starting to do that thing like in the cartoons where like you look at a bird and it turns into like a turkey dinner yeah i look at my leg it's like a spiral cut ham a good meaty calf is like a joint of mutton that a video game wizard would like refuel their life bar exactly yeah it's that perfect you just want to grab the ankle bone and fucking bite it yeah

you're playing bonk on turbo graphics 16 you're coming right back to life with one bite of this thing exactly the switch hey what is uh something that's overrated my uh michael something that's overrated and i don't say this just because it's been forced upon me recently sleeping in the same bed as your partner it's like your significant other um and we do often sleep in the same bed at night but i guess the what i'm talking about is yeah um quarantine because she's immunocompromised so we've been extra special uh careful about quarantine because i've also had to like run out to do the grocery shopping occasionally or to do like when things were taped last like wrap-up shoots for my job and whenever i come back in, I would like wash all my clothes immediately, everything.

And so we're just being careful. And we also realized that we felt this big hang up because we're crushing it right now as a couple, like we're doing like everything's so great, but we both felt self-conscious about the fact that it's difficult for us to sleep in the same bed together because a we don't own a big enough bed and i'm very large and b i sleep best with loud noise uh either like music or a tv show playing all night king of the hill or the office or malcolm in the middle wow and she needs absolute silence uh cause she has like tinnitus, which is what she says. And I can't believe that's the right pronunciation. It's gotta be tinnitus, but she says tinnitus. Um, wow. I was going to like, what's that? Exactly. Right. And so I just started saying, screw it. And sometimes sleeping elsewhere, like on our pullout couch or whatever.

saying screw it and sometimes sleeping elsewhere like on our pullout couch or whatever and the fact that i can we can both get a full night's sleep benefits our relationship so much that we finally let go of the idea of like you know what i mean is that bad though does that mean the romance is gone is that the bed couples are we desi and lucy like aren't you supposed to sleep in the same bed i mean you're fucking you're unconscious when you sleep and the and yeah we realize the venn diagram is like there's people whose relationships are falling apart and they sleep in different beds but not all people who sleep in different beds relationships are falling apart there's that full overlap yeah so oh brother looks like you're sleeping on the couch again. Yeah, exactly. Because it's good for your relationship. Now we're getting two cute little single beds separated by a nightstand,

so the sensors won't block our live streams. I love that you need TV shows on at a loud volume, but she's the one who has the problem. You're like, but she needs absolute silence because she gets weird right yeah yeah so weird she likes a quiet room when she sleeps is that not it's did you guys not grow up blasting like nick at night to fall asleep no i don't have a tv in my room for a long time to fall asleep actually yeah podcasts asleep, actually. Yeah, podcasts work as well. Or audiobooks. I used to need a nightlight as a kid. And then once I started drinking as a teen, I no longer needed a nightlight.

I think that was pretty much the point where I was like, nah, I don't need that little weird little Indiglo plug-in thing in the corner of my room anymore. Well, I'm 228 days sober. Thank you, thank you. uh which is good for me not throwing shade at you miles do what you do but uh it is a trip trying to relearn how to sleep not by taking three shots because that works that'll put you to sleep right right and the

room can be quiet even to say like yeah i was drinking to fall asleep then. It began a new point of a way of sleeping where I would just fall into a bed and nothing mattered. It's a cheat code. Do I need this light? Yeah. Do you know that band, the 13th Floor Elevators? They're like a psychedelic rock band. Did you ever see the documentary about the lead singer rocky erickson you're gonna miss me no okay so the lead singer of that band i mean he was clearly like an eccentric creator

and you know was dealing with all kinds of shit but the setup that he used to go to sleep in was like this chair that had all these machines on and like static like just blasting in his face it was like the only way he could rest and when you were like i have to sleep in a loud room i was like oh my god you remind me of this rocky air like the sound of static blasting at him like white noise it was he basically had a chaos sound array that he's he slept in a recliner in front of like it was it's the setup is so many machines like stuck together blasting sound it's just like whoa whoa whoa that's like how an alien would sleep to recharge in a cocoon

i uh it's gone pretty far with me though because the latest iteration is i personally imported into like premiere and then cut out all the intro sequence and credit sequences of every episode of king of the hill and exported it as a single long video so i can play it on loop because i like king of the hill because people don't often yell it's like a steady normalized volume to sleep to but the intro theme slaps so i removed it so now i just have uncut people calmly talking and peggy being like you know like you just did yeah what's like the most high energy is like con yeah yeah malcolm in the middle they scream too much ethnic character is the screechy character in the show that's true played by toby huss who also Cotton, which is crazy range and semi-problematic.

Crazy. Yeah, that range. He can do Laotian stereotype and an ageist stereotype. Pretty good. Pretty good. Wow. Finally, what is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false?

I'm reading a lot of bullshit studies by scientists that are peer reviewed and go back decades that say that the human brain can't multitask and really all you're doing when you think you're multitasking is splitting your focus between two things and switching back and forth and doing each of them only about 80 as well as if you had focused on one at a time and i'm pretty sure i can though. I think it's a myth. I think I can multitask. What is the test that they use to determine that? Oh, geez. Like what are the tasks? Oh, well, the examples they give are like talking on the phone while driving a car

or carrying on a conversation with someone who's running the test. Well, you're also supposed to, you know, like press right shift on this computer when you see the word black and white text, but press left shift or whatever task they do in studies like that. And they just measure your brainwaves. And they found that literally, which is interesting, it's kind of, it's the same as how a computer works that has multiple processors. Your gray matter gets allocated out. Like if you're doing two tasks at once, even if you in retrospect say, I was doing both at once, I would say I was multitasking. I thought I was doing pretty good job. They'll find out that literally half your brain matter was only lighting up when you were

doing the one thing. And there was another region of your brain that was like taking the other thing. And if you had focused on one, the whole thing coordinates yeah and then they did efficiency studies and they're like if you focus on one thing at a time you do them better but i don't care i got a lot of shit to do and it feels good i feel like i could cook and talk on the phone fairly well because i do that like i'll chop things and have a conversation and like keep an eye on multiple things at once but I do get other things I feel like there's probably levels to the things that you can do pretty efficiently and then the higher level tasks like yeah like if I had to like have a full-on conversation and like respond to keyboard visual prompts like yeah I probably may start

fading but that's where I question it is the muscle memory stuff i'm like i'm pretty sure i can pay full attention to someone on the phone and play tetris because i play tetris at this point in my life without thinking about it consciously yeah yeah i i think that's a really interesting like question of the specific tasks and like because there's definitely of the specific tasks and like because there's definitely like i can definitely drive just as well while listening to music probably maybe like two percent diminished while listening to a podcast but if i'm like having to have a very serious important conversation like for work or for you know if if i it requires any of my attention I do see it diminish a little bit. And then I just noticed in the past week

that if I'm listening to a book on audio, that takes a little bit more of my attention. Flip my car every time. Yeah. So I don't know. It's very interesting. Do you do the thing where if you get lost, you turn the volume down?

It makes me feel like I'm more likely to realize where I am geographically in my car. Yeah. I remember the first time I heard a stand-up say that as a joke. I was like, I didn't know that that's true of everyone. I thought that was just me. And it was such a hack. It's like, you know,

it's so funny. Like you drive it, you know, you do this thing, right? You're looking for a house, you're going to a dinner or something. You're looking for the address and you're looking at the numbers.

And then for some reason you think turning down the radio station, turning down the radio station is going to help you find the numbers on the side of a house. Like what the fuck is wrong with us? It's funny. Cause it's true. No, but it's true.

Yeah. Yeah. I know. And I've killed me. I don't know who did that bit louis ck you're canceled miles but there's a study i remember hearing i think i'm radio lab where they talked about how and now by the way i'm closing my eyes to remember something. So that even more of an example. Extra ironic. Not being able to. If you're trying to remember the name of the show, Memory Palace.

I hope that's it. But I think maybe turning down the radio underlines the fact that we can't. It's like, okay, now you taking down the CPU usage of my ears to divert more RAM. To visual. To fucking eyes. To eyes.

Space memory is so different yeah than listening but the theory is that language is consciousness like consciousness and language are essentially the same thing and once we lose language we don't really have consciousness as much and so like or some form of like systemic communication that we have an internal monologue. And they've done studies where it's like people lose self-awareness when there's loud music or a loud sound or something playing where they can't basically hear their internal monologue.

It was kind of an interesting- That's an amazing way to look at why we like to congregate and blast loud music and dance it literally gets you out of your head like neurophysically physiologically that's so cool you stop existing as a shrooms help do that too yeah yeah i've heard get way out of my way out of my head all right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life.

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We brought something we were talking about during the break into the episode, and that ended up being the entire third act of yesterday's episode. I was like, Miles, do you know what you're doing? Yeah, back at abort mission, man. Nope. Stand by it. Briefly, mud water is what you're drinking yeah what is mud water uh i uh took a big old glug of my coffee on the break and i just mentioned my girlfriend is on

a really restrictive diet is drinking a thing called mud water that is some kind of powdered like ground up mushroom that you boil if you can't have caffeinated coffee and apparently it is like a stimulant effect i don't know what kind of mushroom it is obviously it's not the one we are all hoping it would be it's just like some kind of coffee analog that is fungus and coffee alternative yeah and i think mud water consisting of organic ingredients one seventh the caffeine of coffee oh okay so it has trace amounts but it's like within what her doctor said she's allowed to have so it's like uh gross that's all we were talking about a gross boiled mushroom tea and we're just talking about yeah just how the great branding where it's like mud water it's like maybe not the best tasting thing if you like coffee but hey

we're being honest yeah i feel like it's one step below diarrhea mud shroom juice there's like so many better things you could have called it than mud water yeah dirt cup cup of mud anyway what's going on in the world dirt water uh what is going on in the world uh it seems like people think that we can get back to quote normal in may uh at least dr fauci and some white house people uh dr fauci's been sounding a little unfauchy like yeah uh last few days i think maybe because in the beginning we were he was the person being like what was seemed like brutal honesty or just telling the science of the the matter right to the people during these briefings. But Savannah Guthrie asked him on the Today Show

if we were going to have anything resembling like a normal summer. And he said, I hope that's the case, Savannah. But he said the virus is going to determine the timetable and that maybe the economy would open sooner rather than later. Now, to say that he hopes that we would have a normal summer is, I think, a little bit overly optimistic. I mean, I get that right now the numbers have been going down for the projections of what they think the death toll is going to be, but that's also still based on us social distancing at least until

August, or at least a lot of those projections now. I mean, other things could change, but it seems a bit optimistic. Optimistic, right? I mean, there was this curve that is cases of coronavirus, Western Europe versus the US. And it's basically the i the same exact line uh the same exact shape of the line except we're 15 days behind maybe a little bit less um the deaths are probably like three weeks behind but on the same exact curve um so I'm just, I don't know. I could see this being a couple of things. I could see it being him thinking hope doesn't hurt anything if we just talk about the best case scenario. Maybe that'll make it easier for people to get through

this very difficult period. And maybe there's a one in a thousand shot that that does come true. And I could also see it as with all people difficult period and maybe there's a one in a thousand shot that that does come true and i could also see it uh as with all uh people who work in or with for and around the president you're kind of managing the whims of a you know baby tyrant and so you're just trying to play whatever his game is and you know sooner sooner rather than later is a thing that Trump keeps saying. So maybe he's just trying to mimic him.

Yeah, it's like he's trying to balance all the sides and strike some kind of Fauci-an bargain. Bomb drop, I'm out. I'm out of here. Show over. Wow, where can people find you? People can find me apologizing at the corner of 43rd street in maine um i uh yeah i am worried about the it does it's tricky because i i don't know fear is a palpable tangible thing and i i believe in like the power of a disturbance in the force to cause problems

but at the same time i don't know if you could be overly cautious and i think a lot of i still feel like a lot of people out there just want to be in denial and assume it will blow over is overblown even still to this day i'm surprised you know there's people who are like yeah defiantly going out and if people are still going out and not self-quarring then i guess we gotta i think we should make it sound even more dire right like i don't think you need to exaggerate to like illuminate that this is a historically notable event and jack you said in the doc like what is normal i agree i think people are only starting to come to said in the doc, like, what is normal? I agree. I think people are only starting to come to grips with the fact that like, uh, actual aspects, it might

be subtle or it might be extreme, but nuances of our life rhythms will probably never return to exactly the same. We will, this will be a historical event that changes. Like if we were still working at cracks, Jack and I, in 10 years, we'd be writing articles about how this affected now pop cultures like this because of that. You know what I mean? This is going to be a pivot point for stuff.

Yeah. I mean, people are talking about whether handshaking is ever going to come back fully. I can't imagine a future where I will shake somebody, a stranger's hand that I'm meeting for the first time without at least having something in the back of my head that's like, do you remember me? Yeah, it's the people who are like, yeah, I remember.

I lived through the bad times, so I always have that in my head now. Yeah, it's like our grandparents, or at least my grandparents, I'm a little older than you guys, who grew up during the Depression, they were forever affected by that. Yeah. They never wanted to spend money, and they never wanted to put their money in. Hey, my grandparents lived through the Depression too, Jack.

Okay. All right, man. But they also never trusted banks, which was damaging to them. The thing with a lot of the predictions, too, Jim Cramer from Mad Money, the really cool game show about Wall Street, he's also on his show being like, look at what Fauci's saying. Look at what the Fed said with they're putting more money into the economy. He's like, it feels like, you know, May could be it may might be a reasonable month for

things to kind of go back to quote unquote normal. But you know, like with 16 million plus people unemployed at this point, you know, with the last report coming in on Thursday, you know, what are we what the fuck could be normal? Are those jobs going to instantly come back? Like, are people going to immediately transition to life back to normal? Cause like when you look at Wuhan and the stories that are coming out now, as they quote unquote, return to like what they call normal, people are still being told to wear masks for at least three months. Uh uh people are like checking your like temperatures at certain before entering certain buildings the only thing is like

checkpoints are gone so that's a little bit different but still a lot of the people still have the same feelings of like you know i don't really want to go out still i don't feel like it's the right time my kids also like aren't sure if they're used to, they got used to learning from a computer this whole time. And now they're going to have to go back. And a lot of educators, they're like, what's the best way to transition kids back to whatever quote unquote normal pace of learning was? So there's still a lot, this whole idea I think is really odd, but I think maybe it's just performative soothing for wall street also. That's interesting about school kids. Cause yeah, I have a lot of, uh, cause it's what you do in

your mid thirties. I have a lot of friends with elementary school age children, uh, who are doing homeschooling. Now, a lot of them find it very rewarding and like eyeopening to be a part of that. Of course, there's also a huge stress component. If you had to go back to a nine-to-five job, you don't know how that would balance, but people are just sharing that it's amazing. And if you're into sci-fi like me, you've thought for a long time, there will probably be a time where educating humans

as a species becomes decentralized. School is not an institution i expect to be structured the way it is forever uh especially because we never fix like even the current system in place we don't do a good job of so if everyone's kid could like maybe it's dystopian and creepy but i'm like if everyone's kid could put a helmet on that educated them at home, I kind of think that would be fine. Better than what I learned at school. I mean, as long as there's other ways to have social interaction, I do think we need that. Yeah, I think that's the other element to it.

But yeah, I mean, that's the thing. hope i mean again like we said even with the like you know it seems like luckily a lot of the social distancing measures are having a positive effect on what the you know perspective death toll is going to be but still it's you know 60 000 plus oh yeah and the people out of work as you said it's like now 10 as of this recording 10 of america is unemployed and you'd like to think that it's easy go easy come like i guess if everything's frozen because of x and uh then this happened maybe when x goes away we can take it all back but i don't i don't know enough to know what that's going to look like and i think normal also means we won't have to acknowledge what normal was like you know i feel like the longer this goes on it's going to make i don't know i mean there's so many ghouls in politics and in

finance and things like that but the idea that like okay we'll go back to normal see that was just kind of bad that wasn't bad right we can ignore all the the disproportionate deaths of people of color who are were deemed essential workers or essential workers not being paid properly or having proper health care. We can go back to like normal and not really try and deal with any of the lessons we could actually learn with this. I think there's also there's also like a motivation to to return to that normalcy as well. Oh, yeah. Because normal was defunding the WHO and the CDC. So I don't I don't know if I want to roll that into normalcy. Yeah, one thing that, I mean, we've been talking about how, you know, this whole experience underlines some of the flaws that already existed in American culture.

And one thing that I keep thinking about is, you know, people who's, like they say, that I keep thinking about is people who's... They say that a big part of the education gap that happens between lower income and higher income students is during the summer when kids are off school and the higher income kids' parents have the money or time to focus on their education when they're off school, whereas lower-income parents have to hustle to pay for things. I feel like that's another way that this is probably underlining an existing problem and an existing inequality is, you know, parents who don't have the ability to just take a bunch of time to teach their kids, uh, school, uh, is probably, uh, are added to those kids are at a disadvantage. Oh yeah. We're, we're,

we're like trying to strike while the iron is hot and get a puppy right now because this is the only conceivable time we could imagine potty training it because we'll be home often enough i can't imagine being like i also would like to educate my child to a state of sufficiency that's that's a big commitment man i got other stuff i want to do yeah i want to give me that helmet well that kid helmet yeah give me that learning helmet well if there's one person we need to uh enter into the mix that would be uh martin shkreli i think we all sigh the big skrill uh he wants out of prison so he can cure uh the coronavirus and covet 19 yeah he so he's not he's not even doing the thing where okay if you don't remember martin skrilley he bought like a one-of-one wu-tang album that was like the most expensive thing

i'm glad you didn't bury the lead because most people are upset about like the fraud but i agree fuck him for the wu-tang thing that's the worst thing oh that's right he also would buy up uh old patents that had expired on pharmaceutical drugs uh that were used to treat hiv aids and then like you know exponentially ramped up the price but it's funny because that's not what he went to jail for it's because he defrauded investors. It wasn't even because- No, that was just capitalism. That was an act that people in the Wall Street Journal and Forbes were like, this is actually just smart business, guys. You guys need to fucking chill out. It's like, well, maybe your definition of smart business in this whole system is completely fucked up. You're all ghouls. Because the definition is exploiting needy people that's

the distillation of all those things it's yeah oh that's good business you mean you exploited you're exploiting a desperate whatever anyway we're not saying it won't work you ghoul that's not the issue dude look how it's like yeah you get the the success is sort of gauged by like how soulless you are they're like, look how empty this motherfucker's eyes are. You can see the cha and the ching so clearly in his hollow stare. So basically, so now he's not even asking to get out of prison because of the risk of COVID-19. He said he's working with what he calls citizen scientists and other people in the industry to work on a cure. He doesn't need the outside world.

The outside world needs him. 100%. This is what he says in his letter. He says, I'm asking for a brief furlough of three months to assist in research work on COVID-19. Being released to the post-COVID world is no solace to even the incarcerated.

As a successful two-time biopharma entrepreneur, work on COVID-19. Being released to the post-COVID world is no solace to even the incarcerated. As a successful two-time biopharma entrepreneur, having purchased multiple companies, invested in multiple drug candidates, filed numerous INDs and clinical trial applications, I am one of the few executives experienced in all aspects of drug development, from molecule creation and hypothesis generation to preclinical assessments and clinical trial designs slash target engagement demonstration and manufacturing slash synthesis and global logistics and deployment of medicines. It's like the wildest run-on sentence ever.

But he's working with citizen scientists who are just hobbyists, I guess, not legit experts. But yeah, please stay in jail. Yeah. Sounds like he might be beaming up in there man that's a that's a lot that was a hell of a run-on sentence that does sound yeah that does sound like a cocaine rant you hear like yeah and like on your in in the line to a men's room at a nightclub like yeah dude like i'm one of the few i filed numerous inds dude in clinical trial applications i'm one of the few, I filed numerous INDs, dude, in clinical trial applications. I'm one of the few executives who experienced all aspects of drug development, molecule accumulation, hypothesis generation. Like, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Also, I want to go to everyone incarcerated on nonviolent drug offenses and be like, you don't want to come out though, right? Because like a COVID world, that's no solace to the incarcerated. Martin said you wouldn't even want out all right so that's good yeah and then his the thing he leads with i've purchased multiple companies is odd i just think switch the process if you want out i like slide a paper through the bars or something with a with a diagram on it like contribute something be like i've contributed to fighting covid and then we'll still make you stay in jail but maybe we could build a lab in the jail uh i but this guy's like such a long time grifter you have to assume it's just empty anyway i'm sure pretty soon right though i i'd

imagine there will be some kind of dark-ass clinical trial on prisoners with COVID-19 or something where they'll be like, yeah, I don't know. We tested this drug out. Yeah, that's the other thing. What's he going to do if he invents the vaccine first? He's immediately going to be like, yeah, we got it, guys. It costs $80,000 a shot. Martin Shkreli.

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You have to be ready for serious backlash. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back and uh a story that just broke yesterday about chris johnson who's one of the best running backs of the past 20 years in the NFL, was using some of his earnings to fund a drug operation back where he was from in Orlando and was targeted for murder back in, I think, 2014, like, you know, years ago. And he was shot in the attempted murder and his friend was uh killed and so the two guys who he he did not uh cooperate at the time with police and then the two guys who were uh believed to be the shooters in that case were murdered over the following two years so um the he's just been not charged but accused and i think is wanted in connection with those two murders and with paying

a hitman to kill the two guys uh and i don't know i suspect that this is like i don't know. I suspect that this is like, I don't know, people using their NFL earnings to invest in illegal drug operations because NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. So it's less secure than it should be. And also they can be injured and have their career ended like any game, any given Sunday to quote the title. Anytime, anytime they go out there,

Pacino, any given Sunday and your mother's ringing the dinner bell. Like every once in a while, a player will get pulled over with 300 pounds of pot. And you're like, there's got to be more to that story than like- Well, I think it's like anything, right? Partying really hard. Whatever you're used to doing, as you get more wealthy, chances are you will continue to do

whatever your bad habits are, maybe just at a higher level. Because you have more money now now to do increase it to invest in your bad habits i think that's what people assume because like yeah i've never meditated on those stories very long but when they come across my brain i'm always just like that's silly that's a lot of weed to have purchased haha wow he must be so rich that he just doesn't give a fuck and has a lot of weed or was going to a party. And what Jack points out is, no, it's way more realistic that he was getting into dealing or was a dealer. I'm like, oh yeah, that probably explains that, those stories. I wanted to ask real quick though, as like a sports sports neuramus or something, Jack, is that different than other, you said NFL contracts

aren't guaranteed and they can, their careers can end with any injury. Isn't that true of all athletics or no? No. NBA is guaranteed contract. You can sign a 70 million five-year deal and then, you know, break your leg on the next one and just not, yeah, in the next game and get, still get paid your 70 million. I have a new childhood dream to work really a little late, but we're going to get back to it. To work really hard, sign the contract, break my leg, I'm out.

Yeah. I mean, there should be incentives built in, but football players in particular don't have a great situation. They're basically sacrificing their bodies for america's entertainment and uh end up and a lot of times specifically their head more than any other sport so yeah yeah yeah their brains their ability to you know exist as functioning humans that could be another reason why the risk taking is probably more could be more prevalent too because you're like bro i don't know like i there's already a on my body the second I enter the league.

No, I think so, yeah. I think the average fan looks at these stories and is like, that's so stupid. Why can't you just be happy with your huge paycheck? But it seems to happen over and over again. There's got to be something systemic going wrong, something systemic going wrong you know like that these people feel like they have to invest uh their money in something that's illegal and that you know puts their life in danger i guess that's basically the same as playing football you're uh getting your money from something that

puts your life in danger um but anyways, Chris Johnson was a really great player, and we'll obviously be following that story, but it's really sad. So we mentioned on yesterday's trending episode that we're looking for a movie to club, basically a rewatch movie or TV show or TV episode maybe. Yeah. So Vulture's doing it. They're watching Parasite tonight and then they're going to kind of write about it

and interact with their fans. I'm just wondering, should that be the movie we club? So we won't do that. Is that the one with Jared Leto? Because Jared Leto's doing a Parasite screening. No shit. No, he just...

So Parasite just became available for screening i think today okay well just because of the choir so uh there's tons of screenings and i'm just clued into them so i will throw out taika waititi as of today this recording said uh he's going to be doing marvel's thor ragnarok with him doing commentary. That's coming up. And I work for IGN now, as you know. And we have Watch From Home Theater every Wednesday afternoon.

And they've been getting really good people. They got Lee Winnell for Invisible Man. And then they got Greg Nicotero for Night of the Living Dead. We just did Bad Boys.

I think they're talking to the voice of Goofy from the Goofy movie to do the Goofy movie potentially. For Bad Boys? No, no, no, no. It'll be going and going and going. Makes more sense. So yeah, if you're not aware that a bunch of famous people are watching movies

and talking about them and you can just go to Twitch or YouTube or whatever, it's cool. It's happening a lot right now. I'm thinking more like finding the right movie that is in the zeitgeist that we could spend a whole movie talking about and tie in some of the movies from the zeitgeist. I asked for recommendations. Zeitgang hit me up with some recommendations,

but I think Parasite's a good candidate. I think Jaws is a good candidate. What do you think, Miles? Yeah. I only say let's just not do what Vulture does because who knows how similar ours is going to look to theirs, just for some inside baseball. Yeah, maybe what we should do is have a Twitter poll with a few options and let the zeitgang decide decide so now i'm realizing you meant for you guys to stream and i'm sorry i completely like depromote your thing no i was like no no look at these other ones you guys no but that's definitely something that sucks check it you can get like real famous people are doing this too i don't know if you know

you could just Google it. Yeah, Spielberg's going to talk about Jaws. We're not going to be live streaming, but I think it would be fun to do maybe one episode a week where that's kind of a rewatch about something that our listeners can check out with us. And then, I don't know, that's something I've been enjoying with some of the podcasts I listen to. Maybe it should be something that we can find on youtube so there's no there's no barrier to entry yeah it should be something that like you can stream somewhere like jaws was

on my list but then jaws is not really streamable anywhere you have to like pay isn't this cbs sunday night movie coming back is it really yeah i think it's like coming back with like raiders of the lost ark they're doing like they're bringing that whole format back oh that's fucking dope yeah raiders i i think raiders might be on netflix hey raider nation i just saw raiders uh pop up somewhere on a screening on one of the screaming platforms uh which one jimarcus russell jimarcus russell and uh fuck i can't pull anyone parasite would be good i would love to see you guys tackle brazil i feel like with your and your vibes in this show yeah i think brazil would be good or or snow post-apocalyptic snow

piercer would be good for you guys those are my two rings snow piercer if you're not gonna do cheaper by the dozen too very good snow piercer brazil how about obviously we're gonna do cheaper by the dozen at some point but um yeah snow piercer they have a tv show version coming out right that's cool yeah it feels like uh it's a really good movie that could be a great video game and a great TV show. Yeah. Anyways, should we talk about quarantine activities? Miles, you had a new one to recommend. Just getting in touch with, I wrote eating like your ancestors, but I'm just thinking,

a lot of people descend from immigrants or have connections to other countries. you know a lot of people descend from immigrants or have connections to other countries uh and based on you know the evolution of our consumer culture probably came from humble beginnings uh where our you know grandparents weren't exactly postmates in fucking umami burger so i started like cooking a lot more like japanese food that uh like my grandmother would make back like way back when she was younger and i realized like a this food is usually very cheap to make uh and really good and it's like it it stores well typically and you can like the slow nature of making it like really allows you to sort of have patience while you cook it. And just kind of renewed interest in any culture or whatever.

But I think a lot of us come from backgrounds where there's a lot of cabbage being eaten or potatoes or mushrooms or whatever. Just whatever it is. But I have a feeling looking back at your own traditional food has been a nice cooking activity. We get it jack's irish no in japan we eat a lot of cabbage cabbage and potatoes if you didn't put it in the terms of uh cabbage i wouldn't have i would have joe brian baby but thank you for including it yeah kabaj as they call me we should sell this as the 23andme diet and uh you know get it sponsored imagine a service where you do the 23andMe diet and get it sponsored.

Imagine a service where you do the 23andMe thing and then it auto-enrolls you in an ingredients box. In a meal kit. Where you get to know your ancestral roots through cuisine. That's cool. That guilts you for cultural erasure. Doesn't 23andMe also tell you that you're caffeine sensitive or whatever? I think you can tick that box if you want.

A lot of those DNA tests are like, hey, you also want to get fucking freaked out by some medical shit we can tell you? Right. You have a heart problem. Unspecified heart problem. We'll tell you more for $100. Would you like to know more as of right now we'll just tell you bad ticker i've just been watching old sporting events and it's it's like uh methadone but i still enjoy it uh i actually really like watching old basketball games

uh with people i care like lebron james game six spurs heat uh that which is a great game also like weirdly revealed to me that lebron james has gotten better since he was like in the prime of his career he's like now better you can just like see it that he is like the game just comes naturally he's like yeah so many things. Seeing the matrix. Not diminish. Have you been watching, Jack, any of the... Are you aware a lot of pro athletes are continuing the seasons

through video games? You hear about... Yeah, I have heard that. A bunch of NASCAR drivers did a racing game with the full-on announcers and an edited pre- and post-show and everything.

It was really fun. Yeah. That's funny. Oh, yeah yeah they've been playing a lot of 2k in the nba and i know like the in europe they're trying to get more people to play like fifa and stuff i feel like honestly like i guess that's the next thing is like all right well i guess virtually yeah and they like throw some graphics package on it and they pretend like it's a real sport it's fun yeah i can't imagine how addictive it would be to be an active nba player because they all play nba 2k like they all play those games and like against each other and like you are making your own player like yourself in the game i wonder if there's anyone with a huge swing, like a terrible player who dominates it to UK or a great player. Who's like,

I don't understand why I can't do this. Like the worst. It's just constantly losing money at it. Kevin Durant was playing and there are people being like critical of how he was playing. This is a different skill. It's a fucking video game, dude.

Like don't be get pissed off because like you know guess what he's actually a fucking gifted irl basketball player yeah michael do you have any quorax quarantine activities absolutely i mean i i don't know how genuine it is to recommend because you have to be in a unique set of circumstances, which I am. But because I work at IGN now, I got access to a home VR headset, which you can buy, obviously, but they're still pretty pricey. And because I had to ditch a bunch of my furniture

in the move, I have a big open room with nothing in it. So I can do, I've been playing full motion VR, like with the Valve Index, like I can run around the room with the headset on and there's like a wireframe, so you won't hit the edge.

It knows where you are in the space. It tracks your fingers. So it's like, everything's just very organic and VR is just like blowing my mind. It's insane. Half-Life Alyx is nuts. So where are you going with that? What worlds are you entering?

Well, there's this one called, okay, I'll give you three examples.-life alex is the big triple a game that's finally come to vr that everyone hopes will like push it as a thing that normal gamers buy for their home and i think it will it basically crystallizes what you can do in vr and it showcases all the best parts so that's like your standard answer then i also have been doing a lot of nature treks vr which is a spot where you literally uh an app where there's just like 10 beautifully rendered places my favorite is like scottish highlands with an old windmill and it's like pouring rain and you control the lighting the weather and the soundscape and then it plays like it plays guided meditations and it rules and then the third one is wait is it photorealistic or does it look like a really

well rendered video game so you still i'm still an early adopter in that i can see the potential of like very soon vr will be even better than this but you know it's still exciting right and then the last one, I mean, there's a lot of games I enjoy, but the third I'll mention is I highly recommend anyone with a VR headset does this. It's more of an art project than a game,

but, uh, they made a simulation of what an ayahuasca trip is supposed to be like. And it's like, it's like a 15 minute experience and it blows my mind and even though it's the same every time because it's not a game it's just a trip go washes over you i've done it like 18 times it's so awesome and you don't vomit yeah that's literally like the ayahuasca yeah make a little uh mud water if

you got a vr headset look up ayahuasca super fun yeah don't you shit your pants with ayahuasca too yeah it starts with you sitting down with like real video of a central american shaman dude and he feeds you the thing and you start to vomit and then a crazy vr trip unfolds that's so cool that this feels like the actual like version of uh the video on infinite jest if anybody's read that like where people the video is so good that people just can't stand up they just like find you in your chair like having pissed and shit yourself for like the last two weeks like not being able to feed yourself because the video is so good anyways that's where we're headed michael it has been a pleasure uh as always having you on the daily zeitgeist where can people find

you and follow you specifically i'm most active on twitter at swaim underscore corp but i also run a podcasting and sketch network called small beans and we hope and pray and wish that you would check us out over at patreon.com slash small beans thank you man that means a lot coming from you check check check it out uh and is there a tweet oh yeah or some other word let me scroll up here i put it in the doc oh yeah i don't know this i i follow him now so this was my first introductory tweet of his but tom car emoji parking whose handle on twitter is at kyle gun emoji it's a little confusing but i really liked this tweet uh attention we have now transitioned from

late stage capitalism to end stage capitalism that's right end stage capitalism only six or seven more stages until the workers rise up and i just like especially how it's phrased as if a hacky stand-up comedian were delivering it. That's right. That's right. End stage capitalism. Only six or more, seven stages till the workers rise up. I like imagining Johnny Carson delivering it. Right, right.

But yeah, we're fucked. Miles, where can people find you and follow you? Oh man. Uh, you can find me, follow me, Twitter, Instagram at miles of gray.

Also PlayStation network and my other show for 20 day Beyonce, a tweet that I like is from reductress. It has a teenage woman with her arms crossed and it says, why zoom class is just like real school except impossible and i am high some tweets i've been enjoying uh witch king at pillow knife uh was one of our guests at the uh san francisco show a couple years ago or what she had overrated underrated we did on stage but she said I thought the cat buttholes were an

unintentional but inevitable consequence of topology and linked off to this Wikipedia page called the hairy balloon theorem and basically there's like a theory or like a mathematical proof that you can't have a hairy ball where all the hair is combed in the same direction without there being a cowlick.

Which I went down that hole and was reading about that for entirely too many hours. But hair is a ball theory. Couldn't all the hairs stick straight out equidistantly like a fro yeah yeah it could do that you couldn't come in the same direction it couldn't have they had to test to prove that like can't you just imagine a hairy ball and be like yeah you couldn't obviously the parts got to go somewhere i i found it interesting okay all right i'm sorry i most people come in with hot takes i'm very pleasant and then i ruin the ending yeah you remove hot takes you remove

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Simpler times. That's a great, great piece of parenting right there. Huh? If you can huh, you can hear. If you can huh, you can hear. It doesn't actually make sense. Yeah. You saying huh does not imply at all that you were able to hear what the person said.

Maybe that you could not comprehend. It doesn't imply comprehension. It does imply, yes, you heard something, so I guess very narrowly, but then I would press back on the parent and say, wait, but that actually doesn't indicate comprehension, Dad. So try another angle, Jack. All right. Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio.

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