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Okay, now, Andrew, what is a dirty soda?
All right.
So I thought a dirty soda pill.
I thought it was soda with drugs.
I it's it's more Mormon than that.
I am dirty Sprite.
So dirty Sprite specifically is straight with right is from Houston.
Yeah, that is dirty soda.
Dirty soda.
Dirty diet pepper is from Salt Lake City.
That's that's more where this vibe is from.
But I just I just sent in the chat a link to a product from the official.
I assume goodness stands for Nestle,
but it looks like an official website selling a product that is labeled dirty
soda by Coffee Mate and it is coconut cream, sugar, fake flavors, obviously, and lime.
So yeah, I think that's blowing my mind.
It says mixed with Dr. Pepper.
So it's like a fucked up Italian soda.
Yeah, it's an egg cream.
I think this is all for people and people who watch any of the
the Mormon reality shows, I think, are much more intimately familiar with this.
I mean, that makes sense because they don't get high.
So they need something.
They do get extremely high, Brian.
Often they do this. Yeah.
Yeah. So I mean, they need they need to they need a sugar rush.
The crash.
I just didn't realize how much of it was cream, sugar and cream and lime.
The cream and lime and soda is a triangle.
Doesn't citrus make cream curdle?
Well, but that's why this is like coffee mate.
Oh, so it's not like, yeah, okay.
I assume.
Like, I mean, and there are ways to temper the acid,
I'm sure, but one of the better ways to do it
is to just have no milk protein in there in the first place.
Yeah.
Cause like coffee mate, water, sugar, soybean oil, and then less than 2% of fucking seaweed
pieces.
Well, yeah, then yeah, that's not going to curdle.
That's gross.
Is it?
That's my question.
I think it might not be.
I think it might be delicious.
Where are you on an egg cream?
I don't like egg creams because they're not sweet enough.
Like, okay. Well, have I got a problem? This is my problem. This fixes my problem with
egg creams. Egg creams are just chocolate milk with seltzer, right? It doesn't have
to be. I don't even know if it's, there's no egg, but yeah, it's like a milk
product, an Italian syrup, and selteltzer. Essentially this is an egg cream,
but you replace the seltzer water with straight up Dr. Pepper.
Yes, that's right.
Egg cream feels like a product that was only good to children who had not had
chocolate milk before.
And it feels like it was like a way to introduce children to chocolate milk without them liking it.
It feels like it had to be like a close to depression era, right?
I mean, it's just a way to stretch a difficult to find product like or
chocolate. I mean, chocolate was dear into the past World War Two.
So like, yeah, it's just like, what if we replace 80% of this chocolate
milk with soda water? Yeah, it feels like it was of the era where like those little dots on paper
were like the best candy going, you know.
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Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of Nosferatu Trends.
Uh, courtesy of Vanadium Silver on the Discord.
Have we done that one yet?
Anyway, those for our trends.
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's surprising to me that we haven't,
but that one courtesy of an adium silver, uh, who also contributed never skip
trends day for never skip leg day.
My advice to count or lock in nose Nosferatu because his legs were looking thin
they were looking like a couple of
Flats, you know
Of the pieces I can't believe how much we've talked about Nosferatu in the last two weeks
I can't stop I can't stop. I can't stop.
I liked that detail on him.
How
I like it too.
I just think he would have been too overpoweringly sexy to like if he was
thick, he was thick in there.
It would have been a problem for people.
Jack, I have a question.
What was the thin leg thing because of what happens in the end?
Because remember, there's a shot where he like he stands up early in the movie
and you see his dick.
Did he have skinny legs in that scene, too?
I don't remember, but it's just like the right.
So I feel like he's skinny leg.
Well, he gets all shriveled up in the painting, right?
Or in the picture they find. we're really going to talk about
this for our two. OK.
I I will just say I was so blown away by the fucking mustache.
I it's wild how much the mustache overshadowed the dick.
Oh, yeah. Can you explain the mustache thing?
Because people keep talking about it and I don't under it.
He's like an old, like Romanian dude.
Of course he would have like a goofy mustache.
Sure.
They've never shown him with one.
Yeah.
He's always been.
And yeah, but the character he's based on, the character that that character is
based on had a had a mustache just like the character he's directly based on is
hairless completely because it's
Nosferatu Nosferatu is based on Dracula, which is based on Vlad the Impaler,
who did know must that sure.
But Nosferatu 2024 is based on Nosferatu.
I want to say 1926 or so.
And that guy had no mustache.
The one degree
he just looked like he looked like he who shot happy names with a nose.
Yeah.
The mustache is fucking Dr. Robotnik.
That is who it's giving.
And I wish they had said that in the movie, been like,
you're giving Robotnik right now.
I know you're supposed to be going for a vampire thing,
but you're really giving me Robotnik.
And it's just, it's breathtaking. Literally. I'm just like, ah, that's crazy.
But that is what like my favorite detail. My favorite moment in the movie is when he enters
that town and they just all like put on a little show for him, like, like making unblinking eye
contact with them, like, cause it just really feels like you're in this like world and like, this could be a moment in history.
That's like totally lost to us.
I call that scene the laughing at the cook scene.
That also happens to me anytime I enter a town, they just laugh.
Yeah.
Or your advanced team really makes sure that everyone knows
This guy this guy's into being I don't know
I did I did also see baby girl in the last week and what I heard that is good. It's pretty good
I think I
Yeah, I have some
And this is voted on the poster. I yeah, I have some and this is quoted on the poster.
I have some, um, here's what I will say about both baby girl and Nosferatu.
I kind of hadn't really thought about this that much, but like, they're both
really good examples to me of horny, but sexy movies. Yeah. In a way that it's a real renaissance for like super horny,
but not like sexy, really.
And in a, I guess, good way.
Nasty. But yeah, which kind of reflects our real life, honestly,
because there's a lot of hornyness and almost very little sexy.
Yeah. Not to not to overly pitch and tell other people in in Hollywood how to do their jobs.
I do think every character and baby girl could use just a little bit of the substance.
Just oh, really?
It would it would have solved a lot of their problems slash exacerbated a lot of their problems.
The broader twenty twenty four Oscar verse where all the movies in the.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, those like Billy Crystal Oscar opener, like song parody things that he would do if
the if they just like turned those for this year's Oscar movies into a into a shared cinematic
universe that would be fun.
Say it.
I would bet money they do a sketch and feel free if you haven't thought of this
Oscar writers to steal this by giving count or lock the substance the substance. Yeah, I think that would be a good
Oh, yeah, just like that one work
So a sexy guy with a huge mustache and a ratty cape walking out. There's a good sketch
I feel why are we talking about Nosferatu at this time? Because there's not a whole lot going on.
We're in the middle of a, we all,
you know, the wildfires in Los Angeles are still raging and it is supposed to
get windy in the next 24 to 48 hours.
We're recording in like the tiny window of maximum ignorance about how tomorrow
is going to, how now is going to be.
But in the meantime,
we can talk about the fact that half of the Jack Smith report dropped last night,
baby. And it's a humdinger Jack Smith who was spent,
you know,
it's like the Robert Mueller for a time when we no longer believed in Robert
Mueller's, you know, came through with his report, dropped it on the desk, but before
it had even thudded onto the desk, he had resigned because he's like, I'm going to get
fired anyways.
In the report, he makes it clear that he believes that a trial would have resulted in a conviction had voters not returned
Donald Trump to the White House, claiming that Trump engaged in an
quote unprecedented criminal efforts to unlawfully retain power.
Yeah. Yeah.
Not to listen, obviously, Trump bad.
The fact that the Democrats, I'm just going to go out on a limb, Yeah. Not to listen, obviously, Trump bad.
The fact that the Democrats, I'm just going to go out on a limb, are about to proceed
with their farce of governance, their farcical side of governance for the next four years,
as if these words were not there, is like, don't just fucking-
Proves that they're adults.
How dare you, sir.
Every time he does something, fuck you. You're a criminal.
Like that's what they would have done and did do with even less direct evidence.
Yeah. Like based on why are you playing along with this fucking racist fucks?
Like, yeah, like we can't do anything about the Republicans and just this shit
in general.
I do wish a little bit that, you know, a party that I at least vote for,
would pretend to be less like just fucking do something.
I'll tell you what I'm going to do, Andrew.
I'm going to tell people to lower the temperature in the room a little bit.
It's really, yes,
I was talking about because I just put on a third sweater because I'm 93 years old, but also I'm going to three, because, uh, because, um, it's getting
a little too hot. Everybody criticizing the president is getting a little too hot for
me. Yeah. That was my impression of Joe Biden. Anyways, it is a 137 page volume entitled
Report on Efforts to Interfere with the Lawful Transfer
of Power Following the 2020 Presidential Election
or the Certification of the Electoral College Vote
held on January 6th, 2021.
Straight up titling that shit like it is the 18th century.
Like I had to, I had to go find my favorite example of this.
So the book that we all know as Robinson Crusoe, which I don't know, it came out in
the 17 or 1800s, was actually titled The Life and Strange strange surprising adventure of Robinson Caruso of York Mariner who lived eight and twenty years
all alone in an uninhabited island on the coast of America near the mouth of the Great River of Arunook
Having been cast on shore by shipwreck wherein all the men perished
But himself with an account how he was at last as strangely delivered by pirates.
So many words they don't even spell most of them correctly.
That is also just like like in our car.
The reason we don't title shit like this anymore is because that is an entire book
for Gen Z. Yeah, that's way too much reading.
That's right. That's two tick tocks worth of text, bro.
That is wild that they titled the report such and
Fourth that is report on efforts to interfere
Anyways, he's an old-fashioned guy Jack Smith. Most of the evidence in the report is stuff. We already knew about
He did explain why he didn't charge Trump with insurrection
It's because well, he used violent rhetoric. It could be argued that he didn't intend the full insurrection? It's because, well, he used violent rhetoric.
It could be argued that he didn't intend
the full scope of the January 6th violence,
but he certainly let it go on without telling anybody
to stop it or knock it off for a long time.
And they also couldn't find a precedent
in which a criminal defendant was charged
with insurrection for acting within the government
to maintain power as opposed to overthrowing it or thwarting it from
the outside, uh, which that it's like, we don't have precedent and that's what
our legal system is based on.
So if the president like murder somebody, we're, we're kind of out of luck here.
It's also like, Hey, when you couldn't find precedent, well, now you've set one and the precedent is you don't do shit. Great job. Well done,
sir. The second half of the report pertains to the classified documents
case, which is the one that's being held up by the other defendants. Honestly, who gives a shit?
But I guess based on this, this one where you have the good,
I don't know, it's good to have on record, I guess.
Or, yeah, once all of this is over and we're picking through the rubble of the country.
Yeah. I mean, like, again, if if the people that we elect
who should be doing I mean, like, again, if, if the people that we elect who should be
doing the most of like, this is your ammo Democrats and I'm watching you not use
it. Yeah. The fact that you're not using it means we've already lost that I guess
is sort of was sort of my feeling on this last election was like we lost
before it started. So I don't like not not we, as in not Trump, but we, like any
people who want anything good to happen. Yeah, it was bad and depressing situation, that election.
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And we can add Neil Gaiman to the list of sex crime creeps.
Not going to go into it too much more, but the famous author, there's a long New York magazine article
that is pretty upsetting.
Turns out he's a real gross sex cram.
Let's see, what do we got?
We got CES just ended.
I wanted to point out, so Brian, the editor and I were talking about how bad CES seems
to be and how kind of flat it is.
And he pointed out this anecdote from the World's Fair.
Did we do this on Mike, Brian?
No, this is after the show.
Yeah.
So you're pointing out-
Where all the best content happens.
Always.
We're like, ah, now we can relax and be entertaining to one another.
But you were talking about this inventor last name Otis who you'll,
you'll still see his name when you walk onto an elevator in New York city, at
least. So this was at a time when New York city was made up of at most five
story tall buildings because nobody wanted
to walk any more than that.
Yeah, back in the day, penthouses were undesirable.
You didn't want to live in a penthouse back then.
Yeah, pent up up there in the penthouse, all pent up.
And so this guy invented something that was elevator brakes,
where if the wire on the elevator snapped,
you would still be safe.
And then he went to the World's Fair
and he stood on an elevator
and had somebody cut the fucking elevator string,
and then his brakes invention stopped the elevator.
And a year later, Otis
elevators were being installed in buildings and you know, a century later, New York City
looks completely different and there's tall buildings all over the place.
So it's just the sort of thing that would be great if there was that sort of pluck and inspiration.
I would love any of our tech leaders to put any of their money where their mouth is.
Fucking Elon Musk, go to Mars.
Oh my God, it would be so great if he started launching himself in those rockets.
Yeah, like what needs to happen to do that? But anyways, the closest we have to that, like a world of, you know, bringing inventions
forth is CES.
I don't know.
Is it the closest we have?
It's the most famous, like...
It is the only analog to something like the World's Fair that we have.
Yeah. I can't think of anything else.
I'm going to throw this out there.
Motherfucking shark tank.
That's right.
Yeah, actually, that's a lot closer to the spirit of the World's
Fair of people actually trying to invent things that people can use.
But why does it suck?
Like, why do why is the best thing that's ever like come out of Shark Tank is it is like
scrub daddy, you know, like what I think it's because invention.
Well, I mean, the the boring answer is because so much of invention has been capitalized
as opposed to like the Internet wouldn't have existed without significant
academic non-directed non-commercially directed research. Yeah. Let's just do this thing. We
don't have a platform of let's just do this thing or let's just learn anymore because it's
increasingly like needs to pay off. And that's why it has to become Shark Tank and CES. Yeah.
Also to bring it back to Nosferatu,
when you think about the doctor in that film,
when you think about the doctor in that film
and his methods, you realize that the bar
for being like a brainy, you know,
the equivalent of a tech billionaire
was much lower back then.
All you had to do was like expose yourself to radiation
or invent something that was obvious, like
people not dying in elevators to, you know, become rich and famous.
Yeah. A lot of the inventions back in the day were accidents, like X-rays
were discovered on accident.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
There's like no money for undirected research, though.
I'm just saying, like, you don't think that's right. Yeah saying. There's like no money for undirected research though. I'm just saying like, you don't get a chance
to do, to discover something by accident
because you need to, you have shareholders
who demand results immediately.
Right.
Like we did discover that the microwave popped
the bag of popcorn kernels I happen to have in my pocket
for some reason, but we can't put that
in the PowerPoint slides because our, I'll get fired because our board are a bunch of fucking asshole capitalists.
A glibber version is that like Silicon Valley has always been,
but now it's just very clear simply a regulation skirting machine.
Like all the innovations have been like, shit you could have done,
but the reason it was monstrously profitable was that you could figure out a
way to get around, um, like be it unions,
like or like taking,
taking public resources and using them or undercutting the fact that most like a
taxi company needed to maintain a fleet before like offloading risk
responsibility has been like
Silicon Valley's biggest innovation. I know I feel like producer Brian's eyebrows went up when I was
like Silicon Valley doesn't do shit, which is fair. I'm being hyperbolic.
What I'm trying to figure out is because that is true.
What I'm trying to figure out is what's your fucking problem, man?
That's what this show just because what Andrew is saying is true, but only after a certain point
I feel like and I'm trying to figure out when what was because yeah, they used to make things like
mmm, and then it's when it at some point
But I think the ship is earlier than you think like like I like I think to me, the, the clearest example is like Lyft and Uber, right?
You could have just made an app that was for cabbies that would have
done the same thing.
But instead the business innovation of Lyft and Uber was not the app.
The business innovation was how can we put the depreciation of our
fleet onto
independent contractors?
Yeah, because they could have they could have revolutionized the taxi industry,
but they didn't.
Yes.
That's small.
Yeah.
That's billion dollar thinking.
You know what's actually cool, Ryan?
Zillion like a $28 thinking.
I totally agree with Andrew.
I'm just like, I'm trying to figure out, like,
did that come like post 2000 pre 2000?
Because I feel like through the 90s, like most of the 90s,
I'm not going to blame it all on 9-11.
There was actual innovation, like with different technologies.
And then once I feel like once apps started being a thing that.
Yeah. But I mean, the thing that I, I the.
So the reason I think it was before the 90s is because I lived in New York in the 90s
and it doesn't exist anymore.
It was one of those like
essentially trying to undercut bodega companies, but it was like a proto
delivery service.
Pink dot. Someone was ever a Cosmo.
Maybe Cosmo.
Yeah, Cosmo. I? Cosmo! Yeah.
Cosmo.
I remember that, yeah.
But someone pointed out to me that like,
so I was a fucking like cycled everywhere person at the time.
And one of the biggest things that was super annoying
was that there was always Cosmo trucks parked
in the bike lane.
And what they would do is just drive to like locations
and use that essentially as their distribution point.
Like the truck would serve as like a mobile mini warehouse.
And then someone pointed out they use a lot they have to rent a lot fewer warehouses because
what their warehouse is, is a public utility, the bike lane that they are stealing by double
parking there and
I was like because I was like yeah fucking any of the existing stores
could have done this delivery thing these guys just decided that they would
do it virtually which fine but their actual edge was the fact that they were
paying for less warehouses yeah and I And I was like, oh, right.
All of these morons, not morons, they're very smart at what they do.
But what they do is stealing from the public.
Yes. Yeah, that's what they do.
So when it comes to so that's where the money just like count
Orlach from the yes in Transylvania.
I mean, there's a lot to be said about the deeper mess around
real estate in Nosferatu.
So that's where the money is, is like finding that billion
dollar idea that just goes into like fucking with the law,
finding a loophole in the law that's going to allow you to
just exploit the way things currently are and make billions
of dollars.
It's not going into R&D.
It's not going into inventing stuff. And the evidence of that would be CES, which I will say there was a product from
overseas, I think Singapore, that was really cool. It's a paper width and also literally made of paper battery that is biodegradable after I think like
six weeks. And it's just a flat piece of paper that functions as a battery. And they secured a
whopping $2 million in funding. Because people are like, yeah, I don't know, not interested.
But the thing that everybody seems to be talking about is a Roomba that is no longer stumped by a sock
That seems to be the yeah
so a Roomba that has like a little like scorpion stinger arm that comes up from the back of it and can like
fucking lift
That's like what it honestly looks like it's going to do.
But instead, it just like picks up the sock after its third try.
Oh, it's not even good at it.
And it doesn't even have like a place to really put it.
I guess. Yeah, that's what I was trying to figure out.
Like where are you?
You just going to put it somewhere else on the floor, right?
I can't reach into the hamper.
Have you ever had a Roomba like they're wildly inefficient?
Roombas are the worst.
Especially if you have any kind of pet with any kind of possibility of an
accident. It is just a disgusting piece spreading machine.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. If it, yeah.
If there's a piece of shit in your house, that's just going to get fucking squished all over the place.
Systematically spread everywhere.
Even if you don't like even if not in that worst case scenario,
when you're the only one who shits on the floor in your house.
Yeah. It's almost like having a pet.
Like it's just, it's just constantly roaming.
It takes forever to do a small amount of work.
And then you just like find it dead under the couch like that's all it's like.
Five hundred dollars. Yeah.
And that's that's that's that's like consumer technology.
Yeah, I will say, do you think this paper thing?
I think the other problem with CES is because it's nominally
consumer facing things and it is evaluated on a convention
floor. It demands fraud. Right. If you're not committing fraud on the CES floor, what
are you doing? Yeah. I mean, when you look at doing when you look at last year's, it
was literally the biggest things that people were talking about were all vaporware. It
was all bullshit. The little AI. You're highly incentivized to lie and to.
Yeah, I think you're you're completely incentivized
to get investors to give you money.
That's that's the game, because no one wants to make a product to sell it,
because that's not how you make money.
You make a product and you sell your company to some oligarch.
Yeah. And that's how you get paid.
So you can just keep doing that over and over again.
If you had a product to sell, I mean, you literally would be on Shark Tank.
So literally just be selling it.
Suction Cup TV.
And GT, what a pleasure having you.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you for having me.
Inviting me. Your wife's Instagram. And be thankful for having your wife since the ground.
Where is your tea?
Oh, this racist.
I don't know. It doesn't matter.
My hair is who gives a shit.
All right. We are back tomorrow with the whole episode of the show.
Until then, be kind to each other. Be kind to yourselves, get the vaccine, get your flu shots.
Don't do nothing about white supremacy.
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