The Daily Zeitgeist - Not So Horny M&M's, ABOLISH THE MONA LISA 01.24.23

Episode Date: January 24, 2023

In episode 1407, Jack and Miles are joined by writer, comedian, podcaster, and host of Pod Yourself the Wire, Vince Mancini, to discuss... Students at Stanford Are Starting to Warmup to AI Chatbots…, M&Ms To Pause “Polarizing” (and Sexually-Frustrating) Candy Mascots, More Info About Brett Kavanaugh’s Crimes From The Director Of Swingers, Regal Cinemas Is Closing More Theaters, The Case For Getting Rid of the Mona Lisa and more! Students at Stanford Are Starting to Warmup to AI Chatbots… M&Ms To Pause “Polarizing” (and Sexually-Frustrating) Candy Mascots Tucker Carlson Is, Once Again, Mad About ‘Woke M&Ms’ More Info About Brett Kavanaugh’s Crimes From The Director Of Swingers Takeaways from Sundance's secret Brett Kavanaugh documentary Regal Cinemas Is Closing More Theaters WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE REGAL CINEMAS AMC’s aggressive post-pandemic strategy could pay off as moviegoers flock back to cinemas Independent cinemas accuse Cineplex of shutting them out of market for top filmsSocial Sharing The Case For Getting Rid of the Mona Lisa Viral TikTok Joke About the Mona Lisa Being Stolen Generates Mass Confusion Glass Onion Director Rian Johnson Explains The Significance Of The Big Mona Lisa Scene It's Time to Take Down the Mona Lisa The Heist that Made the Mona Lisa Famous LISTEN: Love Misunderstood by Muchos PlusSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 272, episode 2 of The Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness, and it is tuesday january 24th 2023 which of course means january still here two four two three i'm still here baby the baby is still look the tenant's rights not evicting this child whenever the child is ready the child will emerge uh but it's global belly laugh day oh oh oh i think i only do that to like grab my belly like oh you do loud fake laughter yeah yeah just to be like you asshole

let me give you the full-on fake laugh it's also national compliment day international day of education shout out to educators national peanut butter Butter Day, and Beer Can Appreciation Day. Pecan? Beer can. Beer can. Do you remember that website? Remember beer can or bacon? That website in the early aughts?

I don't. It was stupid. It was like a Rasta dude, and you click it, and you go, beer can. And you had to determine if it was beer can or bacon. Wow. No? All right. See, this is back when, you know,

like this is in the era of you're the man now dog. Yeah. You're the man now dog was a classic. I spent hours just hearing them repeat that. Wait, so which day is it though? Because I don't think I ever figured out which. Beer can or bacon? It's beer can appreciation day.

Okay. Apparently this is the day that the first beer can was sold in 1930. And that was like a novelty, right? Bottles up to that point. And wasn't that like a big thing with Coors and the pull tab? Yeah. Yeah. They sell it.

Exactly. All the way from Colorado. Oh, that. Baby Billy. Whoa. Talks about it in the first season of righteous gemstone that's right all the way from they call this here the silver bullet all the way from colorado but apparently you know how like people say like i've heard a bottle opener be called a church key

you know have you you know i'm talking about they're saying the first cans had to be opened with a church key and now i'm like what the fuck is this all from like this wasn't they were like canned goods like yeah the first one was they were they were four ounces a quarter pound that's amazing just meant to withstand nuclear annihilation. Sounds like 100%. Well, anyways, happy birthday to all the beer cans. Oh,

it was a bottle opener. We just called it a church key because we knew how drunk everybody who works in a church. Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's amazing. My name is Jack O'Brien.

AKA. What are you going to do with all that plump, all that plump inside those shorts. I'm a make, make, make, make you sight, make you make, make you zite. Make you zite.

Make you zite. That is courtesy of Warren the Werebear. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Yeah, my name's Hideo Noho with a dad bod. Change the diapers as I listen to my motherfucking iPod. Okay, that was from Downrodeo, but shout out Pat on the Discord who gave me a Downrodeo,

aka to changing diapers with an iPod. There it is. Which, you know, coming soon. Coming soon. But yes, glad you're able to listen to Rage. Just one of these days, you're going to show up. With a baby in hand and cigars,

handing out cigars, you know, to everybody. Jack, you're going to have to smoke a blunt that time. Yeah, I will. I've already know, to everybody. Jack, you're going to have to smoke a blunt that time. Yeah, I will. I've already cleared it with everyone. We're good. And yeah, it's going to be like that episode or that scene in Good Will Hunting where he shows up

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Welcome back to the show vince mancini oh so glad to be here but unfortunately my lawyers have advised me against uh doing any more freestyling on on podcasts so okay i'm just gonna leave it at that and i'll let you guys let your work stand for what it is yeah it's really good thank you good. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. What's new with you? Oh, nothing. I'm coming up on month, what is it, 16 of dad life. So congratulations. Thank you. Upcoming to Miles.

Yeah. How are you? What's 16? What's it like 16? When you look back at someone like me who's on the precipice and where you're at 16 in? do you when you look back at someone like me who's on the precipice and where you're out where you're at 16 in i'd say the first two to three months are a write-off because at that point like they can't see you or smile like once they learn to smile it starts to get a lot more gratifying it gets like progressively more gratifying like they learn to smile and then

they gain the ability to laugh which is great because then you spend all your time trying to make them laugh yeah but that first two months of just like pooping glow worm that wakes you up in the middle of the night that's yeah yeah you know i'm ready you know i've i've i've i've spent countless hours holding a playstation controller wondering is there something better i could be doing so i feel like taking care of a newly birthed life form will be a good substitute for a while. The only good thing about the first two to three months is that they just stay wherever you set them down. Yeah.

That's what everyone says. Yeah. They're like, get one of those Moses basket, like just get a thing. You could be just, you know, throw over your shoulder and bring the baby around the house with you. So. And set them down in a river. exactly you know with a note and hope he and hope he makes something of himself you know vince i did want to talk about so i i've lightly talked shit about

babylon just like as not not in great detail but i do hate when a podcast I like doesn't like a movie I like and doesn't give the alternate point of view. When I got out of Babylon, went right to the Metacritic to be like, what are people saying about this film? Am I crazy? Turns out I am. And one of my favorite critics, one Vince Mancini, gave it a glowing review. So I just want to give you 30 seconds. What's the case for Babylon? See, I mean, I love a scat movie. And I feel like he was going over the top scat the whole time.

And first of all, I'm a huge sucker for that. The first five minutes is just like a set piece where an elephant poops on the camera. And then there's a big cocaine orgy and Fatty Arbuckle getting a golden shower. Was that supposed to be Fatty Arbuckle? See, I feel like I just didn't. I wasn't there. I wasn't present. You missed all the references, man.

Yeah, I missed all the references. So, I don't know. It was three hours and ten minutes, and I expected to be really I'm like I'm king of the I hate long movies brigade and uh I really just wasn't bored for that whole movie and even while I'm watching it I'm thinking I feel like I've seen this movie like two or three times before like it's almost the same as the artist it's almost the same as singing in the rain it's almost the same as the artist. It's almost the same as singing in the rain. It's almost the same as like any movie that deals with like the switch over from, uh, silent movies to sound like we sort of,

yeah, yeah. We've seen that movie before, but I was like really into this one. And it kind of, to me, like the best kind of movie is one that's like sort of self explanatory where like he was,

he was showing me why movies are magical where i was like i shouldn't like this movie and yet here i am enjoying it and not being bored and there's i don't know there was something to that to me like he was sort of he was clearly doing it deliberately and i thought he was sort of making a case for movies just being larger than life in that way that's uh you just keep wanting to wanting to watch Brad Pitt do stuff for whatever reason. Yeah. It is hard not to watch that guy. Yeah.

All right. Well, there it is. And I didn't realize it has so much scatological stuff in it. Um, no, I saw your eyes light up. Yeah.

I was like, Hmm. I'm like, and Vince says it's pretty shitty in a good way. I mean, I was watching it being like, I know a lot of people are going to hate this, but I like watching a fat guy get beat on. How'd you feel about Elvis?

I see Elvis. I kind of think the same thing where I'm like, I know this is kind of bad, but I'm enjoying it. Right. Okay. Because there's like, there's clearly like, like for me there was a fork in the road where i go am i just gonna be like it's fucking baz luhrmann and it's gonna it's just a spec it's not a good there's there's nothing to say this is going to be good it's baz luhrmann and

then as i watched it i was like so very like i'm like this is fucking nonsense but at the same time i was like it's so wacky that i'm like yeah i can't say i'm bored at all it's more just like it's a good for me it was like a fun outrage watch yeah and he kind of uh he kind of made fun of the idea of musical biopics like you expect an elvis movie is gonna like play the biopic hits and uh his was like when someone covers a song and you can barely recognize the melody in it. What do they do? This is like a crazy remix where he's like just yada yada over huge passages that you expect to be in this movie. Yeah. And I like the Elvis would just blatantly go to the black neighborhood and be like, oh, this is where I came up with my my new song.

I just from a little cool with it. And they co-signed it. They co-signed it. They co-signed it. They co-signed it. So. Yeah. It was. We did say in our year in review, it was the year of maximalism with everything everywhere all at once.

RRR being movies that I enjoyed that a lot of people seem to enjoy and that were super maximalist. And both of those movies are maximalist movies. that were super maximalist. And both of those movies are maximalist movies. Like they're just like jammed, packed to the gills with movie, which I think, you know, so even if I wasn't like on the right wavelength for them in the moment,

definitely worth checking out. Yeah. All right, Vince. Yes. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. Oh, thanks God. First we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about.

We are going to talk about how students at Stanford are starting to warm up to AI chat bots. Good sign for academia. Oh, my God. This must be difficult for everyone. Yeah. Professors, students being like, do I give a fuck enough to actually think about this? Yeah.

students being like yeah i give a fuck enough to actually think about this yeah and then if you're not using the chatbot are you like the people at the olympics not use it not like doing blood doping or whatever you know right right right it's like yeah i mean i get it you can go to sleep at night but you don't have that gold medal that's right you got a c plus in your english class we're going to talk about m&ms they've decided to pause their quote-unquote polarizing candy mascots because Tucker Carlson doesn't want to fuck them anymore. So we'll talk about that becoming an official part of the cultural conversation. We're going to talk about a documentary that dropped at Sundance that's apparently unfinished, but it was happening in secret.

It is called Justice by the director of Swingers and Mr. and Mrs. Smith. And it's his first documentary, Doug Lyman. And it is trying to look into the sexual assaults of Brett Kavanaugh, the many claims. And yeah, it seems interesting. We might even get into why somebody should just burn the Mona Lisa, all of that, plenty more. But first, Vince, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? One of my most recent searches was Charles II, how many grandparents? I don't know if you're aware of the very inbred Habsburg king.

He's like a weird obsession of mine. And the answer was he had nine great grandparents. You're supposed to have 16, but he came from like a long line of uncles marrying their nieces. it's really hard to figure out the family tree because it's so inbred but like the the number of great-grandparents is like a nice nice like mathematical thing you could put on it a lot of loop backs and mobius strips family tree there's something for whatever reason hearing an odd number was the most unsettling thing. Yeah. He's got a family tree that's just like an extra drawing. Yeah, right. 100%.

Yeah. The Habsburgs were really like, they just kind of carefully bred and married their way to power. Yeah. For the most part. Yeah, that's how they did it and then they were great at like you know every other potential heir dying and then you know inheriting a bunch of stuff yeah so like all these rom-coms that tell you you should like marry for love and you know just do do what feels right in your heart you wouldn't know the name hapsburgs. You might not even know the country Austria if it weren't for a bunch of people just biting down and marrying for whatever their dad

told them to do, essentially, to make their family the most powerful. And this guy was a good culmination of that because he like apparently his he had the huge hapsburg jaw where he could barely chew food and was apparently like apparently was also incontinent and uh you know differing accounts of just how messed up he was but they kept bringing in like other princesses from other places to try and see if he could produce an heir and i just like the idea of you know these people keep bringing in princesses and see if he could produce an heir and i just like the idea of you know these people keep bringing in princesses to see if they can procreate with this guy who is like it's like pooping himself and it's like i have nine grandparents you're like okay their family line is like legend of drunken master except like where they just where where the alcohol instead is

replaced by inbreeding and it's just like we got like inbreeding is our superpower but it's also like eventually gonna fuck us up to the point that we can't even like see straight oh boy anyways i like to throw in a good legend of drunken master reference as early in the pod as possible what is something you think is overrated vince i think uh canceling plans is overrated i don't know at what point like it became a thing to brag about how much you enjoy canceling plans online but i don't know i personally hate when people do that and i don't think it's that cool and i think you should uh it's more fun to meet up with people yeah i think it's it's cooler to just say no off yeah right yeah don't cancel them

say you want to nah yeah because then the person knows how much food they get yeah exactly oh yeah no that's that's poor form you know what i mean if if there's a head count and you got to provide or whatever and then people suddenly like 30 of the the guest list, like, you know what, actually, nah. Yeah. And everybody has that one friend who doesn't like to disappoint people. So there, there may be is like an automatic no. And there,

and there, yes, is actually, you translate it back to a maybe in your mind. Yeah. Right. They're like, look, John was going to say yes,

but it's a no, I know him two days out. He's going to be like, Hey, actually, I'm like, I already know. I already know. Sorry. We, we didn't even buy enough for you, man. I know him. Two days out, he's going to be like, hey, actually, I'm like, I already know. I already know. I never more. Sorry, we didn't even buy enough food for you, man. It's good. I've known you since preschool, man. I know what I know what yes means. I got

some frozen potstickers in case you decide to show up. That's going to be your food. It's a very good point. It's it's a thing that I think it's been an underrated on our show and i've vehemently agreed with that because i do have social anxiety and sometimes it feels like a lot to show up to a thing but usually when i show up to a thing in after the fact i'm glad i did like right but i think more than i think more the thing that we liked about the canceling plans thing was just was more so saying no to offers of plans, because I feel like that was the big pandemic shift for me was you say yes to everything pre pandemic. actually really important to me. So then on the other side of it, I'd be like, yeah, you know what? Actually, I don't think I'll be able to make it where I used to be like, I might, you know what? Let me check. Let me look. Now I'm just like, nah, I ain't going to work. Maybe next time. I did have a friend who was like an aggressive, aggressive invite turner downer where he would

not only say no, but like reply to the group email with all the reasons that he would not be doing that. And you know what? Had to respect it. Oh, yeah. That's brilliant. Were the reasons like you guys aren't my favorite conversationalists? I mean, it was usually no, it was not like it was not like the banshees of initial. And it was usually more like he didn't want to drive more than 10 minutes. And it would be like, oh, sorry, I didn't bring my my East Bay passport because I will not be doing that. What's something you think is underrated? Beets. I really like a good beet. Some people

are too earthy for them. By Dre? No, the vegetable. Of Shrewd Farms. As prepared by Dre. Is that not what people are talking about when they say beets by Dre? I might be confused. Yeah, beets are good. Good for the digestion in my personal experience.

In my personal body. Roasted, pickled, boiled. I like them all. Wait, roasted? Oh yeah, roasted. That's the best way. How are they usually making them when they come on a salad when they're cold? Like beets on a salad. How is that prepared?

I think it used to be usually boiled and now i think people have moved over to roasting because it's better yeah yeah yeah yeah it just takes a long time like golden beets i love a roasted golden beet and beet juice i like drinking beet juice just to so i could pee rose it's always fun to watch my pee come out pink yeah i feel like that'd be more fun for me if I wasn't colorblind. Because I can't really pick up the red in the urine or the stool as well as people that aren't colorblind. And I feel like I would get a kick out of that, which makes me sad. Are you able to, like, would those glasses work that they say help for people to be able to see more color spectrum? Or is that just like an op on social media to make people to be like i think mine's mild enough to where it doesn't really help that much i don't know i think i

don't know i don't know what the science behind it is but i've tried different kinds of them and it was never like oh my god i'm seeing for the first time yeah it's more just like well that looks a little more red than it would otherwise there There you go. Anyway, I'll pee rosé on your behalf. Thank you. I think, you know, on that note, I like asparagus because it feels really gratifying when like 20 minutes after you eat something

you pick it up. You know it's in there. You know it's in there. I wish there was more foods that I could be like, oh, it's like a prize for eating your vegetables a little bit. Yeah. It smells terrible right like we all agree it smells bad there's no one who thinks asparagus piss smells good what do you mean okay i mean it smells bad in the way that like your own farts smell bad but you're also kind of fascinated by them right yeah like i had heard there are some people who like will order asparagus piss through a reddit forum and then

like have it shipped to them and just you you know, like wear it like cologne. But like, that's not me. And that was crazy. That was a fatty Arbuckle thing. Yeah, that was the. Whoa, I didn't. There's a whole ass list of shit that makes your pee pee smell. Really?

Asparagus is one of the most impressed. Like I'm always impressed how quickly it just hits immediately and then also will hit like a day later sometimes you know it's yeah yeah yeah coffee okay coffee motherfucker you know i know the ones are coffee you're like whoa like if i drink a ton of like uncut like uncut cold brew that definitely comes comes up. They say Brussels sprouts. Interesting. Okay. Cause it produces methyl mercaptan, mercaptan, a gas that's well known for making urine smell less than stellar.

Okay. So I'm gonna have, I'd say beets go like falls into that category of things that got a bad rap in the eighties because people were only preparing them one way. For me, beets were like canned beets, like bright red canned beets. Just, got a bad rap in the 80s because people were only preparing them one way for me beats were like canned beats like bright red canned beats just i don't know why but like yeah that and that was gross like just yeah but same with brussels sprouts just being boiled and now they're kind of cool again because people were like oh you don you don't have to make them in the least appetizing way possible. They also

apparently bred out a lot of the bitterness of Brussels sprouts. It's partly preparation, but it's also partly that they figured out the plant science that made them less funky. I love that.

That's like when you have arugula and you realize, man, they fucking took the teeth out of arugula in America. It just doesn't have that kick anymore unless you go get rocket on the other side of the pond and you're like, oh shit, it's fucking peppery. Everything's just being bred to

eventually taste like Gatorade. I love this Riptide Rush salad. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back to talk about some news stories. I'm Jess Casavetto,

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for 2022 and a growing number of them are starting to rely on the ai for finishing assignments or getting ideas people answered this this survey very in a number of ways, but they said they pulled around 4,500 students and about 17% said they were using chat GPT to assist with their assignments and exams. And they said of those 17%, a majority reported using the AI only for brainstorming and outlining. And then only 5% were actually honest or like, yeah, yeah, I just submitted material written directly from there without any edits. So I think 5% were, I mean, I can see how maybe it would help you organize your thoughts. But at that point, like like what are we doing here you know glad that the survey was conducted using the honor system that uh that catches so many people for plagiarism when they

turn in the paper and then immediately confess to uh plagiarizing yeah this i i'm not buying these percentages but it is interesting to me to just think about like how how constant this is going to be oh yeah i mean didn't it seems like uh it would have been stanford guys that invented the chat gbt so elon and that other guy well i mean elon only went to stanford for like three days like like literally 48 hours but feels like the chicken's coming home to roost a little bit yeah right and the professors right now're like, they're already discussing like in their own Slack channels, like how they need to like alter the curriculum. Others are like talking about going full Luddite on these students and being like, leave your fucking backpacks and bleep bleep electronics at the fucking door when you take this test. Now, here's your pencil and paper.

Right. Doesn't that expose you as like a not very creative professor if people can ace your class using a chat bot? Yeah. I just have to commit my essay to memory that I just wrote a chat bot. But OK. And then, you know, so like a lot of other professors have kind of been shocked by like how fucking brazen some students have been one professor's like i mean i told him i said look if you're using chat like bots and shit at least put it in your work cited so like you can at least fess up to the fact that you're using these tools or whatever and then this professor's like i also

got one that just had this sentence in the third paragraph that said as a large language model trained by open ai and you know i'm, I'm like, what the fuck? Like, some of the professors are like, come on. Like, if you're going to even cheat, like, fucking do some work, you pieces of shit. So I don't know. I mean, like, what to do now, right? Like, it's good at telling stories. We've realized that.

Like, it's really good at, like, narrative style, like these sort of rhetorical styles of different outlets and things like that but when it comes to something for like more complex that involve like numbers and sums or programming like it's it people get people are getting found out really quick but it's not stopping from people from attempting it which is really something it just seems like they'll need to do all the essays as like written exam essays, right? Or like come in and, or would it be like more like fucking Socrates and shit? Like you got to go kick it with your professor and like,

just, just like, you know, chop it up. And then they go, okay, this motherfucker understood the assignment this semester. Like,

if you don't think those kids are going to have an ear wig with chat GPS, or chat GPS, chat GPT taught telling them exactly what to say. Right. You're crazy. And you haven't you weren't raised on 80s and 90s. Yeah. Like in your theology class, your professor's like, so do you believe that the parable of

the stoning of Stephen was the beginning of the othering of Jews in the New Testament? And then the person goes, what that means like the nathan for you sketch it's like just i don't know i'm sorry i didn't my earwig buzzed out do i believe that the stoning of yeah yeah it's interesting times for sure i think yeah and i think it's just weird to think of like how you begin to see this shift, right? Like I graduated college in 2007 and that was like, you know, spark notes was like the highest of the high in terms of some like, hey, you know, you didn't read like whatever this beloved or whatever books or whatever, you could just jump to the spark notes. just jump to the spark notes. But the idea of like, even getting a hint on how to structure an essay, I can already see being like, I'm gonna write my paper 30 minutes before I have to turn it in now. Right? I mean, that's the tool. Like if that's the tool that exists, they should be using it. I mean, if you can, if it's out there, and, and you can make it into something coherent that works. I don't know. Seems like you did complete the assignment.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, as long as you're not turning it in sight unseen without reading the essay that was written for you and then adding your own thoughts. I mean, it's probably not great. It probably is smart for these teachers to alter their curriculum a little bit. I mean,

it's importantly, it's stealing a job from the student who was getting paid by other students to write their essays for, for them. Like that's just going to some AI now. Right. Exactly. Yeah.

That, and that, that's the real problem. You know, sparks notes were so bad by the way. Spark. They were meant, they were meant to expose you.

Yeah. Like if you came half cocked with like a spark notes fucking refresher before a lecture or something they'd be like i'm sorry what was that analysis of this yeah i had a friend who showed up to this final that everybody else i knew had like studied a lot for and were like really worried about and we knew that he hadn't studied at all and uh well as soon as he got the test handed out, he pulled out his contact lens and was stabbing himself in the eye with it. And then walked up to the front

and was just like, I don't know, I'm having an allergic reaction. Can I take this later? And he got the test postponed for himself and appreciated that as a creative solution yeah that's a hustle he uses to this day like that's a that's a that's an education that you'll never forget my most effective one was using 9-11 to get out of the chemistry test in high school yeah yeah but i can't you can't use that one again unfortunately did you ever

have co-workers that that pretended to have a child so that whenever they needed a day off, it would be like, oh, you know, Joseph's just having a really bad day. I got to go pick him up from school. No, that's pretty wild, though. Mystery, fake, shadow child? No. I have a friend who had a troubled brother for a long time. Oh, using that one? Yeah. had a troubled brother for a long time. Oh, using that one.

Yeah. The old troubled brother dodge. Yeah. That's, that's more brazen to be like, man, my kid's sick again. Yeah. Just fuck off to work. You don't have. Also, because if you don't have kids, you're like, so like, and other people do.

You're so clueless about kids. He's got like a. I don't know that he got what got with those eye things yeah i'm sorry what something oh some kind of necrotic bacteria or something i don't know it's necrotizing or something you get cps called on you but even though you don't have a kid because they're and then they're even more worried you're like i don't have a kid they're like this is so alarming sir you do have what'd you do with the kid well there we go we wrote a seinfeld episode and we didn't use ai that that was your cue to do a seinfeld thing so somebody on oh it was like before miles goes can you get them to do a seinfeld they're all using ai what are they gonna do about my jokes? It's going to take my job.

All right. M&Ms have decided to pause their polarizing marketing campaign. Those are their words. So they issued a statement beginning with, America, let's talk. Weird way. Did it spin a chair backwards too and sit in a chair backwards put their hat on the other way yeah it's always disturbing when someone says we need to talk or let's talk like when you

schedule a talk like just yeah do the talking and don't leave yeah don't leave me in suspense you can just start off with the sentence that comes after america let's talk it would be the exact same thing yeah Yeah, after that. In the last year, we've made some changes to our beloved. Yeah, that would have worked just as well. But it goes on to say that M&M's gets it, quote, unquote,

and realize that changes to their, quote, beloved spokes candies are, quote, unquote, polarizing. Hence, they've been put on an indefinite pause. So they're not using the spokes candies anymore. No more sexy lady M&Ms. That was the problem. Yeah. Like, it basically came down to

how horny the green M&M made Tucker Carlson was, like, the downfall of those spokes M&Ms. So... Everyone was talking with so many. It wasn't just Tucker, though. There are so many other conservatives who like like even it's weird. Normally, Tucker says something and like everyone falls in line. But it's like so many people had the same thoughts simultaneously, which is very interesting. Anyway, sorry.

Right. Yeah. So, yeah, he had a segment last year where he complained that a new promotional rapper featured three female candy characters and a platitude about how the company's celebrating women across the country who are flipping flipping the status quo which is like some you know girl boss bullshit like corporate you know bullshit it's not fun to have to be like no fuck you tucker carlson we're with him on this one because corporate you know bullshit it's not fun to have to be like no fuck you tucker carlson we're with him on this one because right you know this is just a cynical play to make money

but he then devoted a segment to a bizarre rant about how the cartoon m&ms had been redesigned to be less sexy with the green m&m swapping her boots for sneakers and like a real attention to detail there like he's all he's only horny for people in boots as opposed to sneakers yeah because he likes to lick boots it's all it's always a tantrum that like i mean they they love capitalism but as soon as they're not like the target audience for something then they're mad they're like why is it this about me personally yeah used to be horny for the green eminem yeah now she's wearing ugly shoes and i hate it those those sneakers ain't turning me to granite downstairs i got a problem with this like what the fuck is going that's i'm like this is so weird because their language is like that they feel that that, like, it's bullshit too.

For them to say it's polarizing. I'm like, you don't, if you believe in some shit, like, you don't see people. I'm never like, oh, I'm sorry for my polarizing remarks that I believe that prisons should be abolished. Right. Like, you're only saying that if you're like trying to cede to the other person's perspective. Like, there was some validity to that, actually. That bit of a big of a swing we've heard you we're listening isn't this all taking uh attention away from the fact that m&ms are not very good like how often do you as an adult person eat m&ms oh peanut m&ms's. I fuck with heavy. I just, okay,

to be honest, I've had to go to the pharmacy to get a bunch of inoculations before the baby comes and shit. And every time I go, I'm always seeing new kinds of M&M's because whenever I see M&M's, it's usually at the liquor store. And it's always like peanut, almond, plain.

But then I went and they had like fudge brownie and like one with a cookie center and i was like yeah i mean i'll fuck around yeah they're apologizing for the fact that the base product is uh forgettable and not very good other foods you like inside like pizza they go the combos route they just start doing combos yeah i don't know i I really like them. I was in the early 2000s, I was adamant that they should make pretzel M&M's. So I guess I'm a little bit of an M&M fan

boy. And then they came out and they weren't good. And I was like, man, what did I devote my life to? Yeah, but you can see why there's no controversy over the spokes candies for Reese's Pieces. Because nobody cares about the marketing for those because those are actually good.

Yeah, exactly. Right, right. Yeah, nobody's like, ET wasn't fuckable enough. We need to... Actually... It just reminds me, remember Demolition Man where in the future everybody, like the popular radio stations are all playing like commercial jingles. It kind of feels like that's what we're doing now.

We're arguing over like whether the jingles used to be better or not. Right. Meanwhile, we're like, what about all the people that live underground who don't have access to the traditional economy? We're like, enough out of you. Dr. Cocteau is about to speak. And Dan Cortez is on a grand piano singing the jolly green giant theme song i remember that scene too well uh but yeah the m&ms thing i'm like that's not like this has to be them just doing like rage marketing like they like are they just doing this to to like go to

tucker carlson to then be able to like pivot off of that which is such a weird but if that's the plan then why back down and make it seem like you're that tucker carlson was making a valid point about how the green eminem and it there was also initial signs that they were listening to tucker carlson even before this because he was like she's not even wearing boots like that's not hot she's wearing sneakers they redesigned the green eminem to have boots again and but this time he was like but now now she's a lesbian, which is not like I guess she held hands with the brown M&M in an ad like six years ago. But it was like a meme that circulated its way to his Facebook wall or wherever the fuck he gets his news. And he complained that there was a plus sized obese purple M eminem which is just a peanut eminem

like that's the whole right yeah that's that's the shape of eminems man yeah it's not like she was spelt before i mean it feels like the if you're the marketing person for eminem you're basically making decisions on who has the most boycott clout so before it was like okay we don't want to get boycotted by people who think that the green eminem is too sex positive now we don't want to get boycotted by the one who is not horny enough from the green eminem so it's like i don't know we're we're we're playing out culture war battles in like really random arenas like the uh eminem spoke to people it's great yeah well and look they're winning folks they just won you might win some but you just lost one libs oh that's right i wonder what that commercial is going to look like though that they've had to

painfully tease in the fucking right so now they're, but we got somebody that everyone can agree on. Maya Rudolph. So Maya Rudolph's a, it's a grand number. Maybe. Could you imagine if then they like double down in the commercial, they'd be like, ha, we gotcha. But you thought we were going to backpedal. And we're like, this doesn't even make sense anymore. Just shut up. Right. Yeah. It would be not at all. I was going to say, it'll be interesting to see what they do. That's a lie. It won't be interesting. That would require me watching the Superbowl. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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Smith, because. Don't forget born identity. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And the very first born identity. I did tomorrow. Yeah. Oh, he did a good one.

Yeah. Wow. Look at this guy. So this was like a surprise album drop like he funded the whole thing himself and like signed the whole crew to ndas to make sure nobody knew this was coming and people within the entertainment press are saying like it's pretty like the documentary world is not large there's like you know a handful of companies and people who get to make those so people were really surprised that they were able to pull it off and keep it a surprise so they were surprised a rough draft at sundance and so it's the first documentary by director Doug Lyman, who made all those movies we were talking about.

And most of the documentary is about the accusations made by Deborah Ramirez, who previously recalled that Brett Kavanaugh had exposed himself at a drunken dorm party. out, using it to get attention, and then going to get additional material from the process of having it public that they're making this documentary. But they say the biggest reveal in the documentary is an audio recording of Max Steer, a Yale classmate who had previously stated that Kavanaugh had his pants down at a party. But on the leaked tape, he details the time a drunken Kavanaugh attempted to insert his penis into the mouth of his pants down at a party, but on the leaked tape, he details the time a drunken Kavanaugh attempted to insert his penis into the mouth of a young woman at a dorm party while she was nearly passed out on the floor from drinking.

Didn't we hear this? We heard these allegations too, didn't we? Wasn't Deborah Ramirez one of the people that they're like? Deborah Ramirez was definitely one of the people that we were like. And there was this anecdote too. And the FBI's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked to everybody. Yeah. I think there were similar things. I don't know that I had heard that one in

particular, the mouth one, but other Yale classmates in the docs suggest that Kavanaugh's team contacted them during the FBI investigation in order to try to steer them in his direction, which he denied under oath during his testimony. So the film basically contends that he committed perjury. Like that's kind of, is that a disqualified, like the thing about the Supreme court is like they're appointed for like,

like, is there any sort of, is there any sort of Avenue for him to face any consequences for anything impeachment impeachment which relies on which is a political you know the the whole thing is still a political exercise right like in the same way that like he was approved by yeah it's still going to go from the house to the senate i mean they voted to convert confirm him while all this like well that stuff was still going on and it wasn't even in doubt that he was not going to get confirmed which is like again it feels like they're presenting this information to the public as if we have any sort of lever to do anything about it

or any doubt about what kind of piece of shit this guy is yeah and but and like when when all this was going on the first time i I thought, OK, we're worrying about what this guy did in college. What about the fact that of the nine Supreme Court justices that are like approved for life and have like this insane amount of influence over the American people, two of them went to the same high school. Like that is weird to me. Like how do you have him and some other justice went to the same high school like that seems like it should be an immediate disqualifier yeah and i'll go to the same handful of law schools and brett kavanaugh's father was like one of the most

damaging like evil lobbyists of yeah it's it's bonkers yeah i feel yeah i feel like that they're this avenue is like something that people could understand why he's bad like they're trying to find you know the something that the the layman can understand like oh okay well what if he was a rapist but it's like yeah he has 10 other reasons that he should have been disqualified for before we even got to that yeah yeah i yeah it's it's yeah it is kind of it's hard to see something it's sort of like those january 6 documentaries you see come on you're like yeah i know right yeah you guys were the ones that were supposed to do something do something about it like you don't need i'm i'm

all in on fucking doing something about it don Don't like most of most people are. And I mean, that's what's kind of a little weird. Like you're saying, Jack, like they hope that this like slow walking of it will inspire other people. But like at that point, is there going to be just a, you know, we get to like a tipping point of evidence and allegations that they're going to try and do something that they haven't successfully done since 1805 right the movie apparently opens with lyman seated on a couch across from christine blasey ford who questions him about why he a hollywood director wanted to make this film and i don't know i haven't seen it obviously but does feel like we never get and then she is really not in it for the for the whole thing

during that Q&A but and then it shows her testimony he's like because the only way to take down a white guy is another white guy right and that's what I'm hoping to do what we really need is another he needs to be forced to do another tearful press conference where he admits that he likes beer.

Yeah, that was because that was what happened the first time. That was still like one of the strangest things. Like even when he like accused Amy Klobuchar, like, are you a drunk? Like when like that, I'm like, y'all, this is we've we've left the fucking planet here where you're seriously talking to this man. Y'all, this is, we've left the fucking planet here. You're seriously talking to this man? When I catch my four-year-old in a lie, like, at this stage of his lying development,

his response is to get angry. And, like, that seems to be what Brett Kavanaugh was doing. He knew he was lying and just was like, well, I'm mad about something at this point. What is it when you have the facts, pound the facts, and when you don't have the facts on your side, pound the table? That's right. Regal Cinemas is closing more theaters

despite Avatar 2 being one of the biggest movies around. They still have around 500 theaters and are working to shed debt and stay alive. We're just headed towards a monopoly, like an AMC monopoly. and are working to shed debt and stay alive. What? Yeah. We're just headed towards a monopoly, like an AMC monopoly.

Yeah, or Amazon. Well, you know Amazon's also lurking too. They're dipping their toe in the movie theater business. I can only imagine. It really does seem wild that for all the amount of energy there's been around movies just in the last year that regal huh going there well i mean the whole streaming economy is sort of a way to skirt monopoly rules because then because it used to be you know your studio couldn't own the

distribution platform they couldn't own theaters and that was why we had like this entire industry of exhibitors because they were different than the studios by design and then the uh streaming was like oh how do we how do we circumvent that and so now it's like two monopoly plays trying to do battle with each other yeah but i feel like that's bad that's gonna end up being bad for movies right like if amc is the only kind of power in the in the distributor the you know theater owner monopoly like it just feels like it's gonna be it's gonna be bad we're gonna have the mcu on an infinite fucking loop when like when like those things merge because then it's just all gonna be about the bottom line they're like well this shit gets asses in the seats and that's

all this business is about like we don't we're not here to indulge people's creativity i don't even think it's that like i wish the uh the end goal of a movie was to get asses in the seats but now i feel like the end goal of a movie is to create users of that brand like the the goal of a marvel movie is not like, let's make a bunch of money on this one movie. It's like, how do we create a bunch of daily Marvel users? So now want,

yeah. Towels or daily shows or fuck it. Even a news show eventually. Yeah. Right. But I feel bad because the Regal Cinemas commercials were really, really bad. Were they the, were they the Nicole Kidman one?

No, that's AMC. Okay, all right. This one has people doing nonstop movie references throughout a theater. Oh, yeah, that one. And then Danny Trejo shows up. I'll just play a little bit because they lays it on fic. Hey, you guys! It's not a man purse.

It's called a satchel. You can't sit with us. So you're telling me there's a chance. I know it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart. As F. Okay, I don't even understand how these lines are being put. The references don't even fit together.

It's like the pitch is, come see more movies so you too can be obnoxious and de-socialized. Right. So the Danny Trejo thing is, he takes a sip from his drink, says, I know it was you, Fredo, because he thinks someone from his drink, says, I know it was you, Fredo, because he thinks someone finished his drink,

and then the person next to him says, as if, and points to their... Like, that's not a thing that's ever happened. Someone went pee-pee in his Coke, I think. It's the next line, somehow. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, what's the next line after that? Because they just go,

no, and then this... Oh, let me just... We do have to follow this. It goes from I know it was you, Fred no, no, no. But like, wait, what's the next line after that? Because they just go, no. And then this. Oh, let me just. We do have to follow this. It goes from. It goes from. I know it was you, Fredo, to as if. OK. It was you, Fredo. Uh-huh.

You broke my heart. Tap C. As if. You sit on the throne of lies. What? You sit on the throne of lies. Oh, OK. I think that's a Will Ferrell line from

something. It's so weird how somehow the really heavy-handed trite version of the AMC one is like, oh, I fucking love that one. Because it's like

so over the top, you know what I mean? Or it's like, man, this is so like Nicole Kidman isn't fucking with any of these movies. Yeah. But somehow I like that better. She's selling us on the magic of movies and not the magic of being obnoxious to your friends. Yeah. Like you're like, yo, what I tell you about doing that Goonies.

Hey, you guys shit in public. So it's a little weird. What's the worst part of movies and movie going? People who only speak in movie quotes. right it's double down on that uh yeah well yeah i don't know there was a time in the early 20th century when like monopolies just went unchecked and then we had to like have two roosevelts coming like teddy roosevelt come in and like break up monopolies and then his cousin for some reason like come in and it's it just feels like we're at the like pre i don't know we're at a nadir yeah we're at the second gilded age yeah we're definitely at the

part right before everything falls apart and like best case scenario there's like some sort of breaking up of the monopolies and some sort of socialist movement but i don't know i'm just i'm just sad they got through that entire promo and not one borat quote which i feel come on i mean the thing is like two minutes long i i could subject you to it but i i think i think we made it out borat free somehow oh i, I've seen that 20 times. So I'm pretty sure. No, no, no. That's a complaint.

Yeah. Where the fuck is my Borat reference? Yeah. Actually, yeah. Your whole Babylon review was about that regal cinema intro thing and how there is no Borat quotes. I found surprising. All right. And finally, let's talk the mona lisa a hoaxer posted a video

of police cars in paris and was like the quote the quote is the most tiktok just like dumb shit pov you're while you are in paris when the mona lisa is stolen the video was viewed more than 11 million times confused a lot of people the story was verifiably false but then the same tiktok user posted a follow-up video video claiming the painting was indeed gone but the staff can't say anything oh come on you think they'd tell you if it was stolen that's that's peak i have a girlfriend but she lives in texas right you know what i mean like oh yeah oh, yeah, yeah. Of course, they're not going to say the thing.

That's a lie because I'm lying. But I'm going to come at you first and try and get the rhetorical edge on that narrative. Yeah. There is also Glass Onion, a Knives Out murder mystery. Spoiler alert. I love that that is the subtitle to that almost as much as Ryan Johnson does. But the Mona Lisa, like it's about a tech bro Elon Musk character who like has the Mona Lisa and is like, yeah, just rent it out. No big deal.

And bad things happen to the Mona Lisa. So that's another reason that it might be in the zeitgeist. might be in the zeitgeist but people have been arguing for a while that it's like the mona lisa is a bad thing for art like i i didn't realize that 80 of like the louvre's galleries visitors are there to see the mona lisa right and then and that like the process of seeing the mona lisa like is basically standing in line at the airport you just like stand in a giant line with a bunch of like in a giant like cordoned off thing and walk up and if you've seen it in person you know that it is the size of an ipad like it is fucking tiny i mean you all you just you just need to listen to that Lonely Island song about it. That's the

best part. Wait, what was the Lonely Island song? Have you heard from Popstar, the movie Popstar? There's a song called Mona Lisa, you're an overrated piece of shit. And it's just like the whole thing is just roasting the Mona Lisa. It's fantastic.

I feel like the only part I remember was is there does the rizza give a line in that like a loose line in that to like kind of bolster his like rap cred i think because someone says he's like one time i just saw him eat the whole blunt and i was like this is great uh and that's all i remember but yeah it is like i think because it's just one of those things it just becomes shorthand for art yeah it's like Einstein shorthand for smart guy and so every quote that someone wants to say is smart they give to Einstein and chances are if you've seen an Einstein quote on a bumper sticker it is not actually a thing Einstein said. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But so, yeah, it's a huge pain in the ass for the Louvre, for security staff.

And yeah, there's this long New York Times article. I wasn't familiar with your Lonely Island reference. I read the New York Times. Oh, see, yeah. The paper of record. I'm over here down with the hoi polloi. But some days the Louvre has to close entirely because of how

the Mona Lisa is just mobbed by people who just want to be like, I've seen the art one. It is weird because people just go up, they'll just take a picture and they're like, alright. You're not supposed to do that.

A tiny picture of a tiny picture. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I feel like this is one of those things where the root issue is that people are just the worst. And we want to try and find, like, oh, is it the painting's fault? And it's like, eh, probably not as hard as that people suck. And the more of us there are that know of something, the worse it's going to be for be for that thing yeah that's kind of my takeaway from this piece in the new york times is just like

it's going to be it's going to be some other painting if it's not the mona lisa right but so i do have a proposed solution because the reason the mona lisa is famous in the first place like it was a known painting but it wasn't like the known painting until 1911 when a small mustachioed man entered the louvre museum in paris made his way to the salon carre where the mona lisa was housed and just hid in a storage closet came out the next morning before it opened dressed like somebody worked there put the mona lisa basically in his pocket and then and then walked out and everyone was like scandalized by it because it was like a pretty famous painting and it basically became the most famous painting based on that and once they got it back they were like hundreds of thousands of people would come every

day to see it so it's basically an early meme like it's just a meme that went viral like this new york times article compares it to kim kardashian but it's like i think it's more of a harambe than a kim kardashian yeah like we're not sure why we're still into it right we are not sure what the fuck happened there but we're still like gotta see dicks out for mona lisa boys so my takeaway though from the origin story of its fame is that something i've always said is that like art theft counter to like what you saw in uh the thomas crown affair like art theft is generally very easy like when you go back and like look at the most the list of like the most like valuable art heists of all time it's almost always like a smash and grab thing or like

somebody just like has a gun and is like hey i'm taking this and give me that or like literally shoplift it like off the wall and like put it in a smock that they're wearing so somebody just needs to steal a better work of art that that people want to be more famous in an ingenious way that makes people interested in it. And that's probably the next level of like art market manipulation is like inside job theft to be like, what we need to do is get your art piece stolen. And that's going to exponentially raise the value when we recover it, because there's a lot of a lot of ways to manipulate the market really sounds like you've been talking to that tiktok person first of all yeah yeah yeah i've been talking to a few artists i'm like look man i'll steal your shit for a cut you know what i mean i'm gonna give a fuck what's like the good version of the mona lisa that people could make popular and it would make people appreciate like how good art can be

i mean that question would require me to be a non-dip shit person who's like not like ah mona lisa art that's the only thing i know dude dude dude dude dude i know fucking banksy oh shit dude that's tight banksy fucking rules, dog. What if someone stole a Banksy, dude? Dude, someone stole Banksy, bro. Yeah. I mean, I don't, yeah. I think it's just, it's interesting to see people get into art however they want to. But, yeah, I mean, like, I think some people, like, when, especially tourists, treat art as, as like not even a thing that they're

necessarily taking and it's like well that this like seminal work is housed in the building i gotta go say i stood near it yeah like and then you miss all the other cool shit because i think again like this it all builds on top of each other like where it's it you know like we taught we laughed like it's a medieval meme and then we now like with social media now people have to prove that they've been near the famous thing at any possible moment so it's only like i think exponentially like just sort of driven the desire for people to be like and here's proof that i stood next to this little picture all right la is just covered in angel wings like angel wings graffiti like this i I collected them all.

I went to all 50 places where you can stand in front of the angel wings on a wall and take a selfie in Los Angeles. So I completed the quest. I did have to take a picture next to the, I love you all in Austin. I was, that was part of the, that was part of the trip.

We had to do it. Yeah. It's your assignment. Yeah. Yeah, true as hell. Well, Vince, pleasure having you as always. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? You can find my writing on Uproxx as always. Podcasts. There's the Film Drunk Fratcast, which is just us cracking wines about current events and movies. And then we do a The Wire rewatch podcast

called Pod Yourself The Wire. That is the second season of our original podcast, which was about The Sopranos, which was called Pod Yourself A Gun. We're actually doing a live Pod Yourself A Gun this Saturday with your producer, Anna, as our special guest. And that should be a good time. That's at SF Sketch Fest. Amazing. With your producer Anna as our special guest. And that should be

a good time. That's at SF Sketch Fest. Amazing. Where is that? The Piano Fight Bar? That's at Piano Fight. That's right. Yeah. Just for people, hey, yay area, Zeitgang. I know you're out there because whenever we've had shows, you pull up. So definitely pull up to that. Yeah. If you like sighting and pianos and also

the Sopranos, come on down. Are you doing a whole like sort of retrospective? I think, oh yeah, Matt was saying, you guys got some fun stuff. Well, we hadn't done an episode about The Many Saints of Newark, the Soprano follow-up movie. So we're going to do that.

We're going to do our The Many Saints of Newark episode as a live show. Oh, any previews? Are you also an apologist for The Many Saints? I wouldn't say I'm an apologist. I thought it was I feel like it as a as a pilot for like a future TV show. I kind of enjoyed it. But as a movie, it doesn't.

I don't think I don't think David Chase knows the the movie format well. So it's like you get weird storylines that take up too much time in the movie and then kind of don't pay off yeah he was saving it for a future episode yeah awesome well is there a tweet or some work of social media or just media in general uh tv show film anything yeah i saw it yeah i saw a tweet i liked this morning and it sort of uh plays into our m&m discussion this is from murder x brian uh the only woke mascot left standing is the mucinex booger man yeah king king uh that's funny and what what is your movie film of the year do you have you announced that yeah you know i liked a movie called funny

pages that i really wish more people saw and i yeah i liked that a lot too i thought it was really good i mean just in terms of a lot of weird people a lot of people that look like grown-up garbage pail kids it's pretty fantastic yeah he's a director this is his first movie he really has an eye for um, I guess. Yeah. Finds very interesting people. Miles, where can people find you? What is a tweet or work of media you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Gray or wherever there's at symbols.

And also check Jack and I out on Miles and Jack. Matt Boost is our basketball podcast. And if you want to hear me just spiral into it, just despair watching 90 Day Fiance. Check me out on 420 Day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra. Tweet I like. Let's see. Oh, first of all, shout out to every person who tagged me in that Shams tweet saying that Rui Hachimura was on his way to the Lakers. Yes, fellow Blackanese legend is going to be playing in the City of Angels. I'm very excited about that.

And thank you for everybody who was like, Miles will like that because he is also Blazion. Is it official that that's happening? Shams is saying we're finalizing it. Right. Okay. You know what I mean? It looks like it's happening. And plus, the Lakers love the wizard like i don't know we've we we're cozy together when it comes to

trade so it feels like there might not be too much friction there um so shout out to everybody who tagged me in that because yes i do look up to this man even though he's younger than me uh and then another tweet is from at lubchansky tweeted i think it's so cool that every ceo at every company suddenly decided exactly five to seven percent of their workforce needed to not work anymore. What a weird coincidence. Right. Huh. Huh.

Huh. What was that about? Huh. Yeah. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. I recommend Neptune Frost on. I feel like we might have cut it out when I did last time but that's gonna be my media recommendation okay that movie fucking rules uh sci-fi musical very cool and also a movie called the empire

strikes back and return of the jedi i did watch that so my six-year-old's favorite genre of movie and the only one he's interested in watching right now is robot movies so we went we went hard with star wars in the past week what about robot jocks oh yeah i don't know oh jack now i fucked up dude that shit is wild i'm robot jox oh okay sorry i i was spelling it wrong in my head of course i know robot jocks no i actually don't i don't know robot jocks weird oh it's something achilles oh man it's like it's like dudes in mech suits just it's it's about a future or war there's no more war so countries just have uh you know they do war by robots robots. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's more realistic than real steel where it was like underground robot.

This is full on sanctioned. Yeah. Like, yeah. All these people just like scrapped together giant robots that they can box with in this abandoned warehouse. It was PG.

Huh? Damn. I didn't realize the Jocks was PG. I thought it was like more hardcore than that, but that could have just been... All these movies from... Me being five. Yeah.

All these movies from like Jaws is PG and like... Yeah. You have to like do a second round of Googling to be like, wait, what is actually appropriate to a child? Because yes, I saw it when I was four. Star Wars is not apparently appropriate for six-year-olds but close enough two years off look if i'm watching cronenberg's naked lunch as a seven-year-old you know and that's what that's what i thought but it turns out that like that rule doesn't apply yeah i was like hey if i watched indiana jones when i was four like my

kids are gonna be fine with it. Yeah, they'll be as emotionally maladjusted as me. Yeah, exactly. Anyways, you can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes.

Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy miles what song do you think people might enjoy i think they're going to enjoy this track a kind of a deep cut from the artist muchos plus uh this is from an album that came out in 1979 called nasassau's Discos. And they describe this artist as kind of like this reggae disco. Like this album is a reggae disco masterpiece. I've heard it described as. But this track is called Love Misunderstood. And it's really dope.

So if you like anything that's like slightly, you know, just a little laid back for you. And has a little bit of spirit, some soul to it. Check out Muchos plus Love Misunderstood. All right. Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning.

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