The Daily Zeitgeist - NPR Voice Destroying Earth? Is Elon Ready For Twitter? 04.28.22

Episode Date: April 28, 2022

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I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry.

Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadson. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in.

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And this is season four of naked sports. Up first. I explore the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball. It's just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture.

Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 234 episode 4 of the daily zeitgeist production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness and it is thursday april 28th 2022 which of course means that it is national take your kids to work day um i don't know what that means right now for people I mean I guess some people are at workplaces

probably not taking their kids to work would be my guess did you ever do that? did your parent ever take you to their work? I mean like yeah I would just go to like the gym because my dad was a basketball coach

so I would just like show up and hang out whenever i could but um okay shoot some threes real quick yeah shoot some threes show the players how it was done um but i didn't it was never like a formal thing no no i feel like the kids and like when it happened because i remember being in school and like people like yo where's so-and-so and they're like oh they went to like take your kid to work day they went to national take your kids to work day yeah and like my mom didn't go to an office because she was like a freelance writer so she worked at home or like would be out and then my dad is like a you know all over the place i didn't really there wasn't a place to go but anyway a decorated artist by the way congratulations to your dad uh oh the focus on me man focus on me bro you know

what i mean what is the award your dad just won oh did he just win an award i don't know something all right well well he must be out here you know yeah there's a whole other episode about why i'm not keeping up with my dad right now uh but uh no i'm fucking with you i know he i know he won an art prize to go to oh yeah the one in rome he won yeah the one in rome this is my dad used to not he he was his art crew was so different when i was a kid he was like he gave up on art because he's like man i gotta put it like you need to go to school and he's like i can't just shoot bobby brown album covers and then like think that that's gonna pay the bills all the time and now he's having a renaissance so yeah shout out to him shout out renaissance man um well my name is jack o'brien aka pretty woman you're moving to the street pretty woman i see my help you need pretty woman I really do not mind helping you move. I'm sorry, which floor?

Oh, no, it's cool. Ouchie. Pretty woman, won't you pardon me? Pretty woman, I'm laying down here on the street. Pretty woman, I swear I'm strong, as strong can be. Could you please just call my mommy that is courtesy of christy i'm a gucci man uh based on the story i told on yesterday's episode where i tried to help somebody move spur of the moment she was just like hey could you help me with this dresser and it ended

with me on the ground uh on the street with my back thrown out um and not feeling very cool anyway anyway shout out to uh the great christy amaguchi man and i am thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray there once was a school covered in ivy, built by money, straight from slavery. The students were served by slaves at night and learned eugenics by day. Soon may reparations come, tap that endowment, 50 billion. Their commitment's a tiny fraction, 100 mil seems low. And that is in response, I think, we're talking about on trends, Harvard saying they're going to spend $100 million to, what was it research and atone for their connection to slavery but not pay anybody any money no no no no well then like going far enough we'll see we'll see going far enough to identify

like 63 uh black slaves and seven native american people who are in working on in bondage for harvard and they're like we're gonna look into that it's like you know what spend why don't you give them that fucking money if you know who they are it's pretty easy right there just figure out who descended there boom we're just gonna do a lot of research about what we should be paying them but holy shit um by the way was that a was that a shanty yeah that was a shanty oh yeah yeah shout out uh scouty magoo on the discord who you know turned up a story about harvard's relaxed racism into a enjoyed the the shantiness of it all yeah well give it that shanty treatment we are thrilled to

be joined uh by a very funny actor and writer who you've seen on keenan indebted a black lady sketch show shrill the movie desperados just all over the place yeah killing it uh it is the brilliant and talented nicole thermo hello welcome welcome back you know we get a lot of uh you know so vocalized air horns that might have been the best thank you Thank you. That was very good. That's like a weird skill that I have. I feel like people always say that when I do it, I'm just like, Oh yeah.

Right. Yeah. So how it works. Thank you. A lot of people do the pew. Yeah. It's not the same. It's like the,

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got a good ear. Yeah. I could just listen to that for the rest of the episode that's uh

I don't think other people would I know but simple yeah all I have is yeah man remember Hamhorn oh my gosh I love it

oh yeah but then they had to change it cause like NBC sued them cause they're like you can't have that sound bite in it when it just go ham but now it's alright all right, well.

Just that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What's new? Yeah, what's new with you? How have you been? I've been good. I've just been kind of chilling.

I was working a lot and now I'm like unemployed, but in the way that I'm really excited about. Because then I get to like, I'm going to travel. I'm going to go to New York for a few weeks and just chill okay and i've been just kind of enjoying life how have you guys been fantastic you know just staring into the abyss of the news every day yeah and and working to not let it affect us so yeah oh my god i feel like i've been a little bit less in touch with uh social media lately and that's helped me a lot especially twitter oh my god twitter is just why i'm always like wait what is happening okay you know what let me just close my computer drop it on a garbage can like you guys don't have that choice because you have to talk about it

every day but it's like sometimes i'm like yeah let's just close this throw it over you know throw it over here burn it whatever just get it away from me it's too much dunk my head in a bathtub for five hours. Yeah. Pretend nothing's happened. Well, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today. And, you know, up top, we're going to talk about something. You might want to tune back into Twitter because it's about to get really good because Elon

Musk is buying Twitter. And so, we're just going to talk about some of the like responses to that um we're going to talk about the realities of buying twitter also we're going to talk about uh russia they're like they just don't give a fuck i think i think russia was ahead of ahead of the game and kind of showed us how little effort you had to put into lying on the internet um they did a neo-nazi raid on like some people who were critical of putin uh where they like the frame up is just lazy it's it's not it's not altogether convincing so we're going to talk about that uh we're going to talk about a uh astronomer going

looking for alien technology in the south pacific uh which is exciting to me uh and then i want to talk about npr's weird weird tone uh just generally uh nothing new about it it's been it's been the same i just i think i changed uh i stopped listening for a long time. And then it like just popped on my car radio. And I was like, what the fuck is this? So we'll talk about all that. Plenty more. But first, Nicole, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? What's something from my search history?

It's always funny when you guys ask me this because i am so crazy i'm i google everything and so i always have to be like okay listen nicole you can't go on a daily on the daily zeitgeist and be telling them what you're really googling like let's get real please no okay but one thing i did google is i've been thinking a lot about people pleasers and how because i'm not i don't think i'm much of a people pleaser i think i kind of like go like straddle the line of like i'm gonna please you but until it's until i want to just say no because i've gotten better at saying no but i think that people pleasers are fascinating because to me sometimes it almost feels like they

they're lying to themselves and to everyone they know and i try i'm like so i was just like googling like is there a correlation or like what's the deal with people pleasers are they always kind of lying so that's what i was googling wow yeah was that just to look inward or your experience with someone who's a people pleaser because i see it a lot in a dating context too like yeah you start dating people They tell you everything you need to hear. And then like, oh, yeah, I was just kind of saying stuff that whole time. And, you know, I am maybe wrong, but maybe it's because I date men. I feel like men do it more often than women because they want to be easy.

But then they end up kind of like pushing everything down and not really saying what makes them happy until they like explode. I feel like I just see that more with men and you're like, wait. And I think that women don't even notice it until it's too late, but I've tried to get better at like paying attention to that and being like, yo, what do you really want? Like, what is your real opinion on this? I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah

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Available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Friends and with everybody. Because I think that it's like, it sucks to think that you'd be having a friendship or relationship with somebody. And you're not, you're pissing them off, but you don't know it because they're just everything you say. I think like the extreme people pleaser, certainly like in my era of, of going all in on just saying everything that people wanted to hear was that I was unable to actually express any of my inner experience out loud. So rather than to be in a situation where like i was like oh i don't know how i feel about this i'm like yeah that's cool cool yeah i would love that too because that felt like a way to be like oh this person i'm i'm presenting myself as an easygoing person meanwhile

i don't know how to say half the shit i need to and then you're six months or a couple months deep into something you're like yeah actually like i've been stifling like i hate harry potter i'm also have terrible commitment issues and i've just been saying shit because i didn't want to make it hot i don't even like salmon you make salmon every night because i told you i like that i don't even like it's like yeah it's like stuff like that and they're like all of a sudden they're exploding because i don't want to watch another harry potter and you're like whoa whoa whoa what's that like what is this you said you were all about hermione like what's going on you know what i mean like it really does feel like that and i feel like it is because people don't

i just feel like there's such a culture of politeness just in general with like america i don't know if it's an american thing or just people in general but they feel like it's the better way to be but honestly like i would rather have someone telling me like i don't like that thing you did i don't like that shirt you're wearing. I just agree with what you're saying. You know, like if because we're wasting time by lying about what we do like or what we do and don't want to do. Right. And I have like, you know, I have single friends who are, you know, in their mid 30s and they're like dudes who are like, I don't know, like, you know, didn't work out this or that.

And half the time I'm hearing them talk, I'm like, you're not really coming with your whole self in any of these situations so the person you're interacting with isn't quite learning who you are they're they're learning a projection of who you are and then when the rubber has to meet the meet hit the road y'all are skidding because there wasn't any real grip to it because you were you know i was just like i don't understand your needs because you're not expressing your needs accurately. It's this weird thing that I've been also thinking about a lot lately. Just in general. Like, we don't know how to deal with grief.

We don't grow up learning how to deal with grief. How to deal with relationships. How to really communicate with people so that we get our needs met. Stuff like that. I sound so therapy-like. But this is the shit I think about lately. Because it's just like, why don't we learn that shit? Why do we learn, you know, the Pythagorean theorem theorem in in school you know we don't need to know that shit so it's it's

fascinating to me and I'm trying to just I'm trying to learn how to interact with different types of people better so that so that I can I can help you know them feel more comfortable or something yeah yeah so that's what that's my wormhole as of late has mostly been like interpersonal shit yeah yeah no the therapy like you kind of need to sound like therapy because like i think people who suffer from this and i'm speaking completely as an outsider because i don't at all like i would never for instance agree to do something harmful to my body because somebody seemed nice and needed my help such as like carry a giant chest up for flights of stairs because i thought somebody would like me more um but like i don't to like i'm realizing i don't even know how i feel most of the time like

in therapy like and so like that's that's how buried that shit is and then like so that that's a process too like and yeah just being like that's not true they might not even realize it's not true uh they being other people and not me because again i am uh emotionally in touch with myself at all times I'm good at communicating that very progressive advanced man you've done the work you're healed for what we have I mean these are such

they're so ingrained like you know just culturally through you know patriarchy whatever but we're like we start off as kids seeking the approval of adults that's just that's our bread and butter as children oh look at you you did that well ah you're so cute oh you're so smart and then that becomes your currency and if you don't realize that shit you get stuck in this

loop of just chasing smiles and positive responses at the fucking total detriment to yourself and others to yourself to your soul like you're like to like your gut like i'm sure that people that are doing that just like have this like pit in their stomach sometimes because it's just like they're not getting what they want they're not saying anything or you don't realize what's that or you don't realize you've been doing it so long that there is a pit because you've been doing that you're like no people like me but it's like but i don't fucking know if my needs have been met ever at all yeah i don't feel happy but everybody seems happy around me what's going on yeah and i think it's the same with even like little things like making plans like if someone doesn't want to

do something they'll maybe say like oh sure and it's like well no don't say sure you say yes or no if you don't want to do it say no that's totally fine like we can totally adjust and it's like you just start to realize that like i don't know i've been calling people out on that shit more because i'm just like yo i don't want to i don't want to drag you to something you don't want to do i don't want to make you feel uncomfortable you know right yeah it's amazing how much i admire people who are just like nah i don't really want to do that i'm like what the fuck kind of dark magic is that i'm telling you you know the first time i did it was uh when i lived in new york people used to come people come visit new york all the time and

they all want to hang out it doesn't matter who they are it can be somebody you haven't talked to since 2013 you're like why is this bitch calling me and the first time i did it this guy this guy was like i'm gonna be in town for a week we hadn't talked since like 06 and i was just finally because i was like you know what instead of telling him every single day oh sorry I'm kind of I'm taking a nap I can't hang out or whatever instead of every single day trying to think of an excuse I literally just said you know what have a great trip now is not a great time to see each other um you know I hope you have a fabulous time in New York anyway and he seemed a little salty about it but he got the point and I didn't have to fucking right wear myself out trying to say no 50 times you know right and i i do think your point that like

uh men are particularly guilty of this like i just watched the uh the batman last night and like this dude has his feelings so buried and like say he's so out of touch with them like at all times and like i was thinking back to the joker where he's just like laughing with like tears streaming down his face like just doesn't know how the fuck he feels at all um and everyone's like yes i am the joker that is totally me uh i feel like that That's not good. Like, that's a problem. Yeah. That, that,

I'm that, I'm that. Right. If you see yourself reflected in the joker, something is wrong and maybe just go talk to somebody, you know? Yeah. Might could help.

Yeah. What is something you think is overrated? Oh, this is an interesting one. I just thought of sharing music with friends. Like this is surprising to me, just thought of. Sharing music with friends. Like, this is surprising to me, but I was just thinking about this recently. I feel like if you connect on one level, like you're like, oh, you really like this artist. I really like this artist.

But then you start to like be like, oh, you like this and you might like this. People don't be getting it right. So I just feel like I think it's a little bit overrated. I like I think it's nice when people send you like a little mixtape like i care about you hear some music but i rarely like the music that people think i'm gonna like and i i appreciate it but i don't i don't think it really does anything yeah i think sometimes it depends on how much you're like really you really fuck with music because you can you can have a really diverse taste, but if you're not able to say like,

okay, I have a feeling that they're responding to these very specific musical elements of this track. Cause I think most of you were like, I like that band. I also like this band. That means mean you were on a Venn diagram. You must like this band too,

rather than like being like, Oh, you know what? Like the best music, like suggestions I get are from people who like are like really kind of get the nuance of like nuances of the art of it. And they're like, okay, you'll like this because it has like a good strong backbeat and like thumping bass and like falsettos or whatever. I'm like, oh yeah, different genre. But you identified that.

So Miles is basically saying that may be true of other people but when you when you're talking about me not but the nuance but the nuance is a good point and i'm not just some people pleaser you know some people don't be having the ear some people can't do that that's true they don't have that miles does have the ear miles has the ear you know i do i mean because yeah it's like when you when you really understand music you listen to it you'll notice like it's like i used to feel like people i don't know if this is exactly a one-to-one but like people used to be like oh you like the nice then you'll like the xx and i'm like i don't like the xx and they're and people have recommended them to me so many times just from other bands that don't even sound like them and so yeah it's one of those things where i'm like no they might have been from the same time period but the music is

actually so different that it's like that's not something that I would yeah you're not hearing it the same way yeah but yeah that's that I agree with you it has to be like the specifics of the music that make it something that you like like the tone or the you know the the arrangement of it or the background vocals or the you know even like the major versus minor key I don't know like little stupid things and this is making me sound like an asshole and i totally am hearing myself talk right now but i think you're right well i was a band geek you know i grew up studying a lot of music theory so i've you know and there's everyone look you everyone's gonna engage with an art form however they want to yeah but i think i'm just i get really specific and i and i think it it it made thing, especially when before the internet, discovering music was really difficult.

So I had to really know how to be able to describe what I wanted to hear or know what I wanted to hear. So then when I heard it, I could be like, yes, more of this, more of this, more of this. And the internet only just made it super easy once, you know, like it was, you know, you could access anything from any time, any place. Yes, definitely. Yeah. Definitely. Whatever. But I take everyone's music suggestions always worth it's always interesting to hear when someone thinks you'll like to and i'm like oh that's interesting like i know oh that it is really interesting because yeah i don't mind getting them but i'm always like it's not really

doing it for me but it's the same thing as like it is it's to me like a lot of people hate it but i kind of like when somebody says like you look like this person and it it's to me, like a lot of people hate it, but I kind of like when somebody says like, you look like this person. And it's interesting to me because then I'm like, oh, wow. So that's what I look like in your eyes. Like that's fascinating. I don't look anything like that, you know? Right, right, right. Yeah.

Yeah. I feel like that. I should just want to hear anytime somebody has a lookalike for me, I should want to hear about it because i i also feel like lookalikes are like people who are like you look like this person like that determines what people think about you for like the first hour that you know them so much yeah they're like judging you based on some weird character exactly what is uh what's something you think is underrated what did i say is under you know this is gonna be so random but a couple of weeks ago I went on a cruise. Y'all, cruises are fun.

Okay. Cruises are having a moment. We've been debating the merits of cruises in the past couple of weeks for some reason. Have we really? Oh yeah. It's funny too, because I just saw a girl on TikTok who was doing like a bunch of videos from a cruise ship and she was on a cruise by herself. And I was like, I mean, cruise, I don't know.

I went on a four day cruise out of LA. I live in LA. So I just, you know, it wasn't that hard to get there. And it was like so much fun. So it's just like an opportunity to embrace the corniest, cheesiest, dumbest things, but to not, nobody on the boat gives a fuck. And that's the best part of it to me. It's just they're wearing the the ugly tie-dyed t-shirts with the city name on it that

they just visited like they're buying all the little trinkets and crap and like they're waiting in line for sales at these weird silver stores or whatever like it's just everything about it venetian glass i do feel like because the the cruises that make the news is uh over the past like decade germs have all been disasters right i mean and going back centuries with the titanic like we don't hear the positive stories about people just being like man i really fuck with cruises uh and like i've just through having kids who are obsessed with the ocean and boats and stuff, like just seeing cruise ships through their eyes for the first time.

I'm like, wow, those are, that's wild that that exists. Like even at all. And like, so I'm probably headed down a path towards a cruise at some point in my life.

And becoming a cruise person. That's the thing too. I think it's a whole culture, but yeah, like how for yeah how does it exist there's this huge insane boat with like a water slide on it like what are you doing somehow it works and like the place i stayed in we stayed in a room that had a balcony and i was like oh this is the life so you could just sit out there and watch the ocean go by and yeah it was i don't it's like i genuinely couldn't tell if i was just very burnt out from work and just really needed a vacation but i really do think that cruises i think people more people should take cruises especially if you live in a city where there's a port just go for a four-day cruise like it's chill i mean yeah i'm

i'm constantly at odds with like the how like not good cruises are like ethically and from a pollution standpoint but i also have to battle the inner old black man within me who wants to be on a cruise ship all the time my grant like and i said this in the past episode my grandparents loved cruises and i was just like i get it you don't you pay one thing and then you could eat whenever whenever whatever exactly you paid i paid 350 dollars i have four days of food and drink non-stop and sunshine and pool come on it was it was serious and then and the and the worst shows i've ever seen in my life but in the best way i mean come on they're literally playing like unwritten by natalie or detasha benningfield before the show starts and it's like everything about it was that energy the whole show right oh can you describe the show like what was it I'll tell you one show I went to

that I was dying I was dying there was a show called 88 keys and so I was like oh okay so it's probably like dueling pianos or some kind of like piano skills yeah we went to the show uh there was a man playing the piano but like maybe 10 minutes into the show i realized he was not really playing the piano oh he was faking playing the piano and it was just playing over a track at one point this dude like and they were playing it as it was real like they were acting like this man was really playing the piano but i was sitting on a balcony i was like that dude is not playing and so then at one point he genuinely he just stood up while the piano was still playing and walks away and like it wasn't a joke it wasn't like they made it a bit it was just like they just don't they just gave up the

conceit at one point like he's not playing piano whatever who cares and it just it killed me they were like singing like a bunch of pop songs and you know they were very cute and they were they were having the time of their lives also

they're doing the cheesiest shows ever but they don't care and that's what's so great about it you know like everybody's just like leaning into it

that's amazing 88 Keys was really something else I mean I was like screaming I was like we have been bamboozled they lied

we were hoodwinked bambooz know we were like looking down at his hands and he's just going like this like real inelegant like he's not even touching the fucking keys he was really good at first so i never would have known and then all of a sudden i was like wait a second yeah he started doing the just like slamming hands down on right right right fake keyboard and i was like oh my god he's not even playing the piano i love him i love a funnest fake instrument playing me too oh i love it it was it was really fun all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back i'm jess casavetto executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil the 7M TikTok cult and I'm Clea Gray former member of 7M Films and

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successfully purchased twitter um and what what are we hearing from, I mean, I think we kind of are, but like what, how are other people reacting most? Uh, there's, I mean, there's all kinds of, I think everyone, yeah, rightly is focused on this guy who's keeps talking about freedom of speech, who clearly doesn't know what the fuck that means, uh, has bought the bird app. And what does that mean? Um, there's a few different things. There's this one piece by uh this

like sort of like tech critic uh shiva vadyanathan in slate who's just talking about like who sort of brings up an interesting point of like twitter as a business is not a good opportunity like that's not something you want to buy like as a as an investment in general um and you know just talking about how as a business, it has been like just pretty much, they haven't figured out how to make it profitable or to scale it, the many wonderful words of Wall Street. And they put it up for sale a few times

and people haven't really ever bought it. And I think obviously there is this whole element of, yes, Elon could bring all the unsavory shit bags back and open up the gates um but there is just just narrowly there is one potential benefit to that which is all of that conservative tech money that was spent on those free speech platforms like truth and shit would become a fucking would become moot the second he opened up the gates because that's what the whole reason people all the people like that fled to those other sites are like there's no libs here so if they're allowed back on twitter they're like why am i using this shit again um so that would potentially that that

that is a one fear on like the conservative tech side which is like man if trump comes back and this that's going to be bad news for these smaller apps but that's not even like the the big picture is there is are are any of those flourishing and like really a threat to i mean i you know you hear about horrible things being said on them but i don't i don't know like is there no not in the sense like you know especially we've talked about truth social like that this thing's dead in the water um and even people are still waiting to be let in the door many people you're not getting in that club um but again like sort of put just looking at twitter though just as like a business entity you know what exactly is elon musk trying to do it does he actually want it to help to grow it or does he want it to be profitable because what was the purpose of buying it like well I think on one side it's like yeah I

guess you literally own the libs by buying Twitter or something but what you know as a business person because you're always talking about your business acumen like what is the goal here now I get that one version is he just doesn't give a fuck he wants he'll let it melt down into a total cesspit of like hate you know hate speech um but on the other side of that is like is it growth is it profitability because the things that he has talked about aren't necessarily going to reshape the app or bring more people in like yeah the edit button sure people like oh that would be cool that's like a bone free one for like the people who are on twitter but that's going to take a lot of time and effort to actually bring that to you know bring that to a reality the human authentication thing to keep bots off sure but many point to the fact that you know you could just invest more in proper content and user

moderation and you know keep things moving in that sense. But I think the other thing is that if he's... By buying it and takes it private, he's not beholden to shareholders at all. So a lot of people are trying to speculate, how do you game this out? Is it going to be just a downward spiral? Is it going to be you open it up, you bring all these angry people away or angry people back on the platform, which would drive away other users, which isn't going to be you open it up, you bring all these angry people away or angry people back on the platform, which would drive away other users, which isn't going to help anything for like the value of Twitter. So I think really, we can like even even in the worst case where, you know, Trump's back and all these other things are happening. Those would be like those wouldn't

necessarily benefit Twitter in the end, I think, because they're also not really innovating as a platform you know twitter's not even the top 10 social media platforms there's there you know there's the fully the potential for something else to come up that people like oh this seems more reasonable now than this other thing so it's a bit of like a wait and see thing and then on the on the dc side of it you have republicans say oh it'd be bad if trump got back on or like oh i don't know if we need Trump back on or that could be bad. But again, I think that there's a twofold problem there. One is that they don't want Trump back because it would completely would revitalize his like stranglehold on the party by him being back on Twitter. He would take over the political conversation again.

Right. over the political conversation again right um and then the also thing is that they they fear that if he's back on that helps democrats do their really tired ass political strategy which is just gesture to trump right and then be like so y'all vote in blue right right right not doing it ends there yeah because without trump they've done so much uh so um well i think they're i think they they realize they can't get bullied in real time from twitter like he used to like as things are happening i think it's more for them they they liked that they didn't have to fear the trump tweet anymore yeah i'm interested to see i'm interested in a couple things like how many people left the platform i know every everybody was losing followers i lost i, I think, 250 followers.

And I think people are just running from it, but they don't know what's going to happen. And then I'm also, I feel like it's like this weird thing where if Trump, I feel like people are always weird about Trump being on Twitter, where it's almost like they're like, oh man, that would be so terrible if that big bad guy that I used to quote retweet came back. You know what I mean? And I kept going viral because I was talking shit on Trump all day. I feel like there's a little bit of that energy too. Nobody wants it, especially before 2024. Nobody fucking wants Trump online talking his shit. But I think that there's this weird energy that was there when Trump was president and when he was on twitter of like it's

kind of it's kind of exciting and spicy and like let's just play with this toxic shit but it's like that's not good because all it ever did was elevate the trash to a higher level yeah and i mean i think the real the the real losses would be to like people who organize on twitter and actually use it for like positive things. But I think like anything, an alternative could emerge that is easy to, that could be as easy to use. But, you know, I think, you know, again, you read the headlines, you think this could be, this is scary and yeah, it could be, but it's going to take some time to fully understand what his vision is for this and how that works because he's also he's going to find himself running twitter in the lead up to a presidential election and elon musk is in just inherent like

all it's going to take is some more spicy marjorie taylor green type people to pop up and then what does he do with them and now people are going to connect him to all that whether or not he wants to platform them or de-platform them. So there's a lot of extra shit connected to it that doesn't necessarily make Elon Musk just look like the coolest kid on Twitter. So that's why I'm like, hmm. Definitely not. I mean, think about how much people bullied Jack.

They were like, Jack, what the fuck are you doing? It's like that same thing. You really want to be that guy that's constantly having to decide if you're going to pull people or let them be on and how far you're going to let people go before they just do crazy shit. Even if he's not the one making the final decision he's he becomes the de facto face

he's the face yeah yeah i don't think he gives a fuck though like he and i also i think he's a combination of like you know realizing that all good publicity in america is like at least increases your footprint um and also famous enough that like he's surrounded by people who are gassing him up all the time oh yeah so i just think he's very dangerous probably part of his strategy is to control like discourse in some way the way that like you know, billionaires during the Barron era, like, would do that shit. Yeah, I think the concerns are founded. I still feel like you can still use Twitter, right, to, like, coordinate or to organize.

Like, I don't feel like... Like, what it should be is a public utility. And, like, we're moving away from that, obviously, and that's fucked up. But, like, that... Like, i feel like it's not great for our side or for people who are trying to do good in the world if like a billionaire buys all phone networks across the america and they're like well i just don't use the phone anymore and it's like well we're putting ourselves at a disadvantage like we just need to you know keep well yeah and i think for the people who need that who are resilient this isn't gonna do much because they see the utility of it and you

can just block the fuck out everybody you know what i mean um and maybe that's how people will get on with it and it'll continue to you know do its thing in the musk era yeah yeah there's just it's it's it's going to be very very interesting because there's so many there's so many because like you're saying because twitter has become sort of like the this utility in a way but it's still not even the top 10 user bases of like social media platform he has this very interesting place uh and seeing what he does whether good or bad tbd but again a billionaire buying it never good never good can you guys explain the edit button to me like that i don't fully understand the because kate like my my understanding is that the reason you use the edit button is if you have a tweet up, a lot of people like it.

And then you realize like you want to change something about it. And then you edit the tweet like their likes are ascribed to like something that isn't accurate. Right? Like that feels weird. Like you can edit what you said, just delete the previous thing and then-re-post your tweet or it's like that thing yeah oh i misspelled i misspelled said in my viral tweet right i know nobody gives a fuck it makes me crazy though so i'm i'm all about the edit button for that exactly it's like a small reason because i had a tweet go viral where i said like choke uh but i didn't mean to say the uh so, so it sounds like I'm saying like,

choke, uh, like Italian choke, uh, when I choke, uh, and I was like, God damn. And I kept just like watching it. And I was like, no, I want to take it out so bad. So I would like to edit that, but it is fun. Have you ever, there was a Tik TOK that I saw where it was like, I keep talking about Tik TOK, but you know what? Sometimes I get bored with Tik TOK. Um, there was a Tik TOK though that I saw where somebody was like texting their friend and they, they asked a question they said like are you white and as the person was responding the person the other

person said if you are then you like you say that you hate black people and love slavery and then the person said yes and then you know they responded like immediately like it's just that it is that thing of like where you can change what you've said and then the person who liked it is seemingly vouching for like some crazy shit right so yeah i could get out of control but i don't know if people are i don't know we could we have to see i guess but i for me it's just i want to take a little extra letter out of a tweet right yeah yeah exactly not wholesale be like yeah yeah get somebody to like something then like you know rope a dopamine to being like oh okay so you oh so you're racist oh okay so is he is he like team edit button is he yeah yeah yeah he wants

an edit button because he's like campaigning on that see that's that's the saddest part of his whole like because he's just like i just feel like if i just got the tweet just right people would like me it's like oh buddy no we hate you because you are you know unethically wealthy and racist that's that's our main thing it's not because you fucked up a tweet i for one love little emerald boy and i would be honored to work with him interesting that is the um the number of places i've just you know being out in public i've had elon musk quoted to me still boggles my mind like elon musk quoted to me as if like socrates once said some shit well elon musk once said it's all these like striver like rise and grind people but it's such a fucking bummer because he has his rep is different you know twitter he people don't like him on twitter off twitter it's a whole other thing it's like i'm curious about that too like i'm curious of

what his supporters think about that because i yeah there's people driving around in teslas and i've seen a license plate that said love musk on the back and i was like oh my god these people are like all in damn meant animal musk i love musk i love a stank love musk like he could he could run for president and do pretty well at some point in the future he wasn't he's not no he's not an american so he can't oh yeah that's right that's right did you see that tweet where somebody said he was an african-american just to stir the pot because he's from africa wasn't it a black woman i said come on she's black i thought she was white i saw one where it was a black woman people like hold on like is this an avatar switch up like what what is happening here that's crazy yeah no thanks they're like and i think someone above was like oh do you not know about apartheid

or and okay don't worry about that don't't worry about that all right let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk uh npr and we're back um and this is this is kind of a weird one this is just like uh you, you know, something I noticed, but I'm curious to get you guys' thoughts, but I just like hadn't listened to NPR in probably a year. Um, something happened with the way my phone was connected to my car. So it started popping on every once in a while around the time of the Russian

invasion of Ukraine. And it like, I was hearing it again, like with fresh years and it just felt insane to me like it's like it's so gentle and like it's explaining the death of a of a pet to a child but they're explaining the news of the world to an entire generation of adults um and yeah so i mean that's basically my thesis is that if we weren't used to it from like decades of npr being like a uh one of the primary neoliberal sources of information we'd all be like this is so fucking weird um and then i do wonder if there's you know a a larger point about the amount of cognitive

dissonance that's required for the the type of people who listen to npr sort of that gentry class of liberals like where there's just a lot of calories a lot of mental calorie like you could mint a bitcoin with the amount of mental work that's required to you know both be aware of all the inequality in the world uh and also believe that like the mainstream dnc is the answer and you know buying into mainstream corporate media narratives and like still feeling like you're the good guy like it's just it all feels very um like it's a it's a lot of work it's a it's a weird position to be in as a neoliberal and so i feel like there's something something about this aesthetic that like helps just be like no it's okay that's this is all

happening so you are right uh you are you are good because you're listening to stuff about the bad stuff happening enough to get like a cursory understanding of of the details um but don't worry we're gonna make it down go down very smooth and we're gonna talk to you in the way that uh you know your your snobby friends talk to you and you know it's we're just doing this over a glass of like pinot grige don't worry like it's all cool um i don't know what do you what do you guys i i know i totally feel that because and we talked we talk about this all the time because none of no mainstream media outlet like it's always meant to sort of frame all these conversations in a very tidy thing where it's it's not going to bring too much it's not going to bring the reader or listener or viewer to

ask really tough questions about like u.s foreign policy or domestic economic policy it'll describe a problem you know somewhat you know about in a balanced way but also not really confront the problem or offer solutions to the listener which would actually spur the next first thing of like the next thought on because if it's just enough to be like and it's all bad but it's being contained there and due to that like the people do have a more optimistic outlook on the chances of russia being successful in their invasion of ukraine and you're like oh okay i don't really i know that's happening i don't need to fucking think deeper about this i don't even need to think of like what does this mean for the military industrial complex in the united states why some factions of the u.s government like all in on this others aren't what's the deal there why there's like you know it's it's again yeah

like you're saying it sells like an illusion of being tapped in and that you're on top of it all without challenging you enough to really kind of begin something. Does it have anything to do, you think, with that annoying thing? What is it? Ally fatigue? How people are just like, oh, man, I cared about this cause, but can we take the black squares off our Instagram yet? You know, like that kind of thing where it's like you want to be there and you want to support and fight, but like you also want it

to be kind of easy and simple and short. And like, maybe there's something to that. Like if you, if it goes down with a little bit of sugar and a smooth,

you know, airy voice, then it's easier to handle. But yeah, then you're not necessarily hearing it all or understanding how big it could be

because you're just like, this is just, it's like neatly you're just like this is just it's like neatly contained right yeah and it's the emotion is removed um it's very much like hearing a professor talk about a thing that like an event from history more so than it's like hearing somebody at that this thing is actually happening to that there's a you exist in the world where this is happening um but yeah i i think like the ally fatigue uh syndrome and like npr which has been doing this for you know decades now but i think they both come from the same place of you know wanting to feel like you are on the right side while also wanting to stay at a safe distance

from the, like, what is actually happening. I have this clip that I pulled, and I literally just, like, was like, oh, it would be helpful if we had a clip this morning. And I went to the NPR website and was like let's find them the the thing that made me notice it was a story about uh russia's invasion of ukraine so i just went and looked for a story where they were talking about that and i like four minutes in i thought this is you know this isn't like that i'm catching them saying something

wild or anything this is just an example of what i'm talking about um i don't know miles do you want to like i i have the link there i could just pull it up yeah so for 410 is this a podcast no well this is on the npr but they so they serve everything as a podcast i should say like in relation to the podcast um when we started like our little shingle of like how stuff works which became iheart like one of our stated goals was to create shows that were not influenced by the npr aesthetic because it felt like so many shows were just like you know this American life and then this American life descendants and like everybody was just like hey so this is a podcast you know um but yeah the NPR is wild influential to the point that like

this might not even sound that crazy to people who listen to a lot of podcasts intelligence capabilities including so this is just the end of a report of how the u.s is helping to investigate war crimes npr justice correspondent ryan lucas thank you ryan thank you doesn't doesn't that soothing yeah and we get some like nice soothing voice or some nice soothing music yeah now the first step in Scott Inskeep comes in. Friends the next story for us. Very calm. A few days ago, our colleague Scott Detrow had a look around Borodyanka. That's one of the cities near Kiev

from which Russian forces recently withdrew. And today we hear Scott's stories of two people who survived the Russian occupation. Natasha and her daughter's family spent a month hiding in a cramped and cold... This guy is keyed up for NPO.

What did we eat? Mostly potatoes. I had some spare oil, then I have a cow, so I had milk. And I went to my neighbor, I gave her some milk, she gave me some other things, some cheese. So this is how we survived. So that's, all right, that was the the main like kind of pieces i wanted to play because right you know so scott scott inskeep comes in very calm just like you know this is the story we're we're gonna give you some stuff from the ground and then they bring in

somebody who is you know very emotional and like you know breaks down a little later in the interview but then they like overlay her with someone who sounds like they're recounting a meal they prepared over a glass of wine like the chillest interpreter ever yeah yeah just when you're talking about living through a military operation yeah full scale invasion yeah for context that that woman uh was hiding in her basement um starving with children trying to hide from russia who was trying to murder her and like like what do we eat well we had a nice little like potato saute and like it's like this kind of feels disingenuous because like they are giving people information that people need i i just want to take a moment to acknowledge the aesthetic and

uh make fun of it because it is fucking weird i will say that i remember in 2016 i was watching cnn and like watching the election results come in and I was getting so stressed out and had such anxiety. So I had to turn it to CBC Canadian TV because they were just there just talking. They were just there presenting the facts and not going crazy. And there weren't like air horns and loud noises every five minutes. And it was like the only way I could handle it. So it's like, I know that you, you know, that that's working you know it gives them you know more listeners and people are drawn to that for that reason i think but yeah what does that say necessarily about people like that's how they have to handle war crimes and things well yeah and it's just how it's just like the messaging right like it's one thing if someone's like

oh hey that house is on fire right versus oh yo that house is on fire yeah yeah it's inhuman it's one thing if someone's like oh hey that house is on fire right versus oh yo that house is on fire yeah yeah it's inhuman it's it takes the humanity out of it is what is strange and so your response to it is going to be completely different too right it's a xanax like it gives you the news with a like little like anti-anxiety medication like so yeah yeah i don't need yeah people need to be listening to like the death metal of news broadcasts you're like it's all fucking over but at the same time you do do people a disservice because like you're saying but this even this is even how i saw like especially the summer of 2020 covering all the police fuckery they were like and some have seen it as potentially being racially motivated behavior.

And you're like, hold on. We're all looking at this shit in real time, and you can't even come out and properly sort of catch people up. I think as the energy should be, there's a serious issue with law enforcement. And I get that. I think people see like, we're get that. I think people will say like, we're editorializing by saying something like that. But you also need to convey the severity of something to the people. Because if you say it all monotone,

people are going to think, oh yeah, just a few bad apples. Meanwhile, you look at the people who are in the streets and the way they speak about it, they're not like, oh, it's this or that. We're talking about existential threats. And I think to take that out of the way you're telling the news allows people to think oh i mean yeah the invasion might be fucked up in ukraine but that woman seemed so she had a cow she had some oil yeah

yeah yeah this is yeah i mean this is the whole npr aesthetic is itself a reaction to the like you know dan rather peter uh what's his name from abc or do i know peter tom brokaw peter jennings like that whole like and now like it's unnatural like that that is weird unnatural trying to play the center type thing um and npr is like no we'll talk to you um in this other way that feels less like uh artificial but now it's like so uniform across so many channels and it just doesn't like it it's now its own weird artificial thing that seems to be aiming to just like make everybody feel calm about uh and like feel like they're the good guy and you know get what can wear their tote bag with pride um and yeah so i asked uh super producers becca and tricia to you know becca looked into just like a history of like what what are other people pointing this

out and she pulled some very funny tweets and uh also like i think a really smart one where somebody um how alex safe cummings uh tweeted uh the system has every reason to want to revert back to the norm to the even keeled nPR tone of voice. And it will probably try, but Trump to his credit in a weird way has blown up all duplicitous civility to the ruling class. The pretty West wing illusions are mostly gone. And like, I think that's interesting to think of Trump as, uh,

what, one of the things he is reacting to is like this insufferable neoliberal class of just you know that tone like he trumps rude conversational like kind of uh weird speaking style as a breaking out of the like quiet politeness that npr embodies um is kind of an interesting way to think about that um and then and then there is apparently like straight up gatekeeping um like we don't have them in a room telling people to like be more zanned out which was the assignment i was like can you find out if they have like a candy bowl full of like xanax at the office or like what do they do the air conditioning what do they tell the people before they go on the air is my question like i i still like well we won't find this out

but if if zygang if any of our listeners have experience with this like i i'm dying to know like what are there is there a process where they're like nope okay just calmer all right now can you take it down just a little bit more you're at like a three i need you at like a one minus um like i i would love to just hear what that's like maybe when they're in person the hosts talk super quietly they. They're like, so quiet, you can barely hear. So then the other person that's talking to them feels like they need to talk quietly too. Like maybe it's just this weird like mirroring thing. I feel bad for the people of color who work in there. And they're like, let me tell you what I do.

They're like, what? Like, yo. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean, so producer Tricia pulled a story about, you know, somebody who, an NPR contributor who was preparing a story for air when he became aware that he was altering his speaking style to fit what he believed to be the NPR voice. that they couldn't come on the air on NPR because their accent seemed to, or their voice seemed to accented. Giselle Regato wrote an essay in the Columbia journalism review in which she recounted her attempt to pitch a story to NPR only to be told by an editor

that her piece would not air out of concern for her accent. So, you know, there's that too. Like there's obviously a crazy bias there um and it's yeah yeah go ahead no just to your thing of the way you're talking about trump right and like the i get you know i get that it's soothing right that it makes it easier but at the same time it deep down we know it's disingenuous because we're only listening to it because we feel that we need to know about it, but don't want to get freaked out by the sort of the scale of the issue that we're trying to learn about.

And I think that's another reason why a lot of people just, you know, like people responded to Trump, because if you're hearing on the news, it's like, yeah, you know, medical data, blah, blah, blah. And this guy's being like, the pharmaceutical costs are out of control. Like that energy. People like, exactly. That's that that actually connects energetically with what I'm feeling about this whole situation. It's not the way it was presented to me. It's that I'm living in a very grim reality. reality so to present my grim reality with you know this like you know this paint of coat or this coat or coat of paint uh that makes it really shiny doesn't help me anyway in any way so yeah

people are going to gravitate towards the people who at least are speaking with a level of emotion to it or acknowledging the severity even if it's disingenuous because that feels more real at times yeah and i mean the uh we've talked before about how the fact that the alternative to the mainstream that is seeing the most success right now is like authoritarianism and nazism like in in america that's the thing that has the most energy they had the fucking president for four years um and i think like i like the fact that so much of the neoliberal like ideal and you know image and self-image is tied to npr and a thing that seems to be intentionally trying to lull you to sleep i think is at least part of the problem um but we have we have more on this and I'm going to keep talking about it because I find it

very interesting in future episodes. But Nicole, it's been such a pleasure having you on TDZ. Where can people find you and follow you? Well, first of all, thank you for having me back. This is very fun.

And people can follow me and find me on Twitter elon musk's twitter uh at nicole thurman i'm n-i-c-c-o-l-e thurman and also on instagram at nicole thurman amazing uh is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying oh my god well i don't know if you saw this tweet i think it was yesterday that they that just the discussing film twitter account always be tweeting out some wild shit i swear and i think um where is it of course i had it in my favorites and now i'm not gonna be able to find it um it was about leah michelle and uh jonathan groff did you see this okay here it is it says leah michelle reveals she once let jonathan groff see her vagina using a desk lamp to give him an illustrative lesson and satisfy his curiosity in the female anatomy as a gay man with no practical

knowledge of its particulars and it's that is that story is fucking hilarious first of all i was like what why do we speak like we don't need to notice you could have just not said that right but also i just think there's something so damn funny about like lately tweets have been getting so fucking wild when people are doing press tours for movies like what is happening like yesterday i saw that um the official trailer for uh don't worry darling um variety tweeted like harry styles performs oral sex on florence pew and it's like y'all what's happening we gonna click on it okay it's harry styles we gonna click on it you don't need to say that to get us to click it just feels so out late like you're just getting the craziest fucking stories

for these press wars which i mean i guess i appreciate the madness but i'm also like why do we feel like we have to go that hard to like get people to be interested in a story right totally yeah amazing miles where can people find you what's tweet you've been enjoying this reminds me of the megan fox thing that just came out yesterday her machine gun kelly we just we ingest a little bit of each other's blood just a little like what shut up like first of all shut up they always be talking you don't have to say anything yeah i'm like we know you guys peaked at when uh molly lambert interviewed y'all and he we found out he said he was weed we don't need to do anything more we We didn't do anything. Anything beyond that, you're fucking it up.

Yeah. Yeah. Find me at Miles of Gray on Twitter and Instagram. Also, obviously, our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack Got Mad, Boosty's an NBA podcast

where we celebrate the wonderful game of basketball. Also, my other podcast, 420 Day Fiance with Sophie Alexander. Come check that out if you like that 90-day madness. A tweet I like is from at Stolen Dan's tweeted in parentheses,

youth pastor voice. You know who else called Saul? That's great. I love it. Tweet. I've been enjoying Nicole Thurman. I don't know if you've heard of her uh familiar when you ask someone to rub your shoulders and they just rub it it's like uh it's like nah my dude i'm gonna need you to straight up pummel me walk on my shit jump up and down on

it like my back is a little trampoline help me fuck me up for real that is oh my god that is uh my my life is exactly the same hey that's why you need uh like a theragun theragun yeah i do have one of those because then i'm like yo just hit me with that like don't worry he's gonna do all the work just aim it at my back that's all just let it drill it in like don't be afraid yeah i have a shoulder pain that i just feel like it really needs to be like ripped out of my body or something yeah so i'm like please be violent with me be violent there's an elbow or something that's the thing i always tell people if they don't have strong hands i'm like yo use your elbow yes and just dig in with your elbow because like that thing that that that does you gotta work it out yeah

definitely all right well you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy miles what song do we think people might enjoy uh we're gonna go out on a track uh this japanese artist named hatori miho and uh yeah she's just kind of um she's a founding member of you know chibomato that band was in that band um also like he's been on like some guerrilla stuff really interesting artist but this is a track out called tokyo story and this has got this if i thought it was like a retro like tokyo city pop

track from the 80s but it's like a little bit more gritty than that um and her singing is real spooky and the production is really cool so yeah check this out tokyo story by miho hattori all right well go check that out the daily zeitgeist the production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning. But we're back this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk to you all then. Bye.

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