The Daily Zeitgeist - NYPD vs Waze, 21 Being Treated Savagely 2.8.19

Episode Date: February 8, 2019

In episode 326, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Katia Kvinge to discuss how the NYPD wants Waze to stop snitching on them, Campbell's soup trying to own the word "chunky," the new Beetlejuice Broadway musical, the truth behind 21 Savage's ICE detention, Tucker Carlson's thoughts on economic populism, medicare for all, the connection between Coco and Marie Kondo, and more! FOOTNOTES: 1. Cops Insist Waze Users Stop Snitching on DWI Checkpoints (Updated)2. Campbell’s trademarks “chunky,” all other soups now “lumpy” and “with large bits”3. ‘Beetlejuice’ Sets Broadway Cast: Alex Brightman, Sophia Anne Caruso To Star4. 21 Savage and the False Promise of Black Citizenship5. IMMIGRATION DETENTION CONDITIONS6. What Does Tucker Carlson Know That the Republican Party Doesn’t?7. TOP NANCY PELOSI AIDE PRIVATELY TELLS INSURANCE EXECUTIVES NOT TO WORRY ABOUT DEMOCRATS PUSHING “MEDICARE FOR ALL”8. We can figure out universal coverage without Medicare-for-all9. WATCH: Stan Getz - Saudade Vem Correndo Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the Internet, and welcome to Season 68, Episode 5 of The Daily Zeitgeist. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And after you, the heat is on. I don't know the lyrics, just that oh-oh part, and I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Yes, at Miles of Gray, aka hashtag what's wrong with Miles Gray, lazily robbed from some promotional hashtag Twitter recommended. That is spot on, at Ramen King. Yeah, so shout out to the movie the prodigy for using my name okay but it's you know look miles is they're having a good year right now uh the spider

verse you got miles morales okay now you got this sick fuck kid miles so uh the year's looking good i think at least for some miles yeah and it's not like a troubled kid who does something gritty and realistic. I'm pretty sure he's like a ghost or possessed by the devil. Is that the deal? I think so, just based on the trailer. He's the undead spirit. Well, when you use the hashtag, it shows like a boy with a half-human, half-demon-y face. So I'm assuming maybe it's a commentary on mixed-race kids.

Probably. You know? Almost definitely. That's what my grandmother would say. She's like, that's that Japanese one. Yeah.

I mean, I assumed it was that. And we're thrilled to be joined by the hilarious comedian and performer Katya Kavinge. Hello.

Hey. Welcome back to the US. Oh, thanks a lot. Yeah, it's really nice to be here. I like that you always stop in whenever you're in country.

Where did your travels take you? To America? No, no, before. Where were you? Well, I was back in London, but I did a tour around Europe. So I did a bunch of shows, did nine countries in four weeks. So it was not chill. Wow.

But it was a really great experience. to chill wow um but it was really great experience and uh yeah just then did the edinburgh fringe and um back in la now yeah yeah the weather is very yeah i've brought this yeah thank you i i love it it gives me a reason to wear uh hoodies and jackets which i don't get to i just wear it in the ac buildings right the cold all right katya we're to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today. Today, we're talking about the showdown between the NYPD and Waze. I'm team Waze, but I'm sure they're probably an evil tech company. I think they're owned by Google, actually.

They are owned by Google. Yeah. So, by Google. Yeah, so Team Google. I mean, they said at the outset, don't be evil and have stuck to that perfectly. We're going to talk about Campbell's wanting to own the adjective chunky. We're going to talk about Beetlejuice the musical. Not really, just that is a thing.

We're going to talk about the 21 Savage deportation meme. It's kind of been memed all over the social networks, but it's actually kind of a fucked up story that is representative of a fucked up thing that is happening in America. So we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about Tucker Carlson going economically populist

and just why that's a weird fit, but also why that is probably the move right now. And we'll talk about Medicare for all and why that looks like it's going to get bloody. But first, Katya, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Oh, I don't know if it's revealing, I guess, in a way. Well, we'll be judging you one way or another. I was looking through my search history, and my most recent search was, there's this guy who makes loads of art out of spoons. Oh, yeah.

Spoonman. Spoonman. What? Is he known? Oh, I have no idea. I guessed his name, though. Yeah, Spoonman Creations. That's the guy.

There it is. He makes clocks and jewelry and stuff out of spoons and fun headgear, so it looks like you've got a pencil going through your head or a hammer. It's like proper dad jokes. Yeah. So is this something you're going to work into your set?

Yeah, like spoon jokes. Yeah, just a good old prop-based humor. I'll start doing spoon musical, like clanging the spoons together. Like, let's bring on the spoon guy. Some early Steve Martin, though. He did arrows through the head stuff. And look where that got him. I'm surprised people don't...

We're the prop comedians these days. Yeah, we're the good, the acceptable prop comedians. Are there people, do you see people doing much prop comedy? I heard there's one guy in LA, I want to say his name's like Carrot Top or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know really. He's the great. He's in Vegas now.

But I heard he does a lot of, oh, I'm sorry, I mean Vegas. Yeah, yeah. He does loads of props. Yeah, I mean. But it'll be like, he'll hold up a t-shirt and be like, and what's the dude? I can't do this. Sorry, I have no idea what he sounds like. Yeah, I like whatever that was.

Yeah. I just picture all of his jokes somehow involving a giant pair of scissors in some way. Right. Like some sort of cut it out. Or him just putting on like a small t-shirt and just flexing it off. Yes. And like, uh-oh.

Did I do that? Yeah, because I heard he's like really muscly now. Oh, And like, uh-oh. Did I do that? Yeah, because I heard he's like really muscly now. Oh, yeah. He is jackethed. Yes. That's what Vegas will do to you.

Yeah. What is something you think is underrated? Well, I have for overrated and underrated kind of the same thing. Okay.

Like, well, so for overrated, I think kind of like people out here talk a lot about manifesting so last time i was in la i was like okay like the secret like i'll try manifesting and when i was doing this tour around europe i was listening to a meditation tape and it was all about like attracting love into your life and i had my eyes closed and when i opened my eyes there was a guy across from me wanking looking at me and I was like oh no

I was manifesting too hard and you guys didn't? oh my no what an Jesus what an auspicious beginning yeah

but I was also thinking like because Scottish people like I used to do a joke about how like whenever like in the BBC news they'd be like oh the Olympics

and Scottish people would be like oh it's overrated oh the royal family oh it's overrated or like ohottish people but oh it's overrated well the royal family that oh it's overrated or like oh it's an apocalypse oh it's overrated but there's this like brand of drink called iron brew and it's the slogan is like phenomenal so they're like oh i am like phenomenal right but like um iron brew this is for my underrated um they actually are the in

scotland it's the only country where Iron Brew outsells Coca-Cola really? holy shit it's spelled B-R-U right? yeah I-R-N B-R-U and it's like an orange drink and it tastes kind of like bubblegum fantasy land I don't know like it's really bizarre but um

it's not an alcoholic beverage? no it's like a soda pop I know American marketing makes that be like, it's for fucking guys who eat molten steel. Right. You know? Yeah. Just sipping an iron brew.

The most popular drink in bars in Scotland is iron brew and vodka. Okay. Yeah, you'll do those. What do they call that together? Yeah, yeah. It's like so sugary, so caffeinated. Really bad for you.

Oh, that sounds amazing. Is there a nickname for iron brew with vodka? Like as a drink? I have no idea. Just give me an IBV. Orange body. IBV. Give me an IBV real quick.

Now, does Mountain Dew exist? I actually think it might be banned because I think there was something about, I mean, maybe it does exist now, but I remember it being that when I was a kid, I'd come out to America and be like, oh, I love Mountain Dew. And then i was never allowed to get it in the uk yeah that's probably for the best yeah yeah well because there are so many american products that are brand in europe right because of like it being unhealthy and right uh or like chemicals right well because we all know europeans are soft and they care about their people. So yeah, we just, it's about freedom here. So if I want to drink chemicals that, you know,

were used for paints, then fine. Yeah. If I want cancer, I want cancer. That's my opinion. If I want cancer, it's from smoking. Okay, America. Oh, so that's the underrated is Iron Brew. All right.

I need to check this shit out. Yeah. It's not available anywhere, right? I wish I brought samples. Ah, you could maybe order it. In the United States? There's probably some place that's like importing it. Go to Tam O'Shanter's.

I don't know. Tam O'Shanter's. The most they have is like- It's like an Irish name, but it's a Scottish pub, supposedly. That one in LA. Oh, is it really? Yeah. Look, we're not good with branding here.

We just say it. Well, it sounds like over there. Yeah, yeah. It sounds Celtic. What is a myth, finally? What's something people think is true you know to be false? Yeah, well, I find this really interesting because I love watching Blue Planet and Planet Earth with David Attenborough.

And I found out that all the sounds of the animals that you hear, obviously the sounds that you hear the animals make, they're actual. But say ones like it would be like a lizard crawling on sand. It's not the actual sounds that they create. So they put it all in later in Foley. So like I was listening to it last night and it was like this fish that kind of goes out on land. And I was like, oh, this just sounds like lettuce on a wood board. Like this is Foley. is yeah it's really interesting like it's celery in a chamois being hit like yeah listen to it you'll

you'll watch that now and be like oh i can't all i can see is celery and yeah did you see how netflix got david attenborough to do their uh version of planet earth oh no way yeah so they've they've just nicked him from the bbc to do their own version called our planet yes oh no way yeah so they've they've just nicked him from the bbc to do their own version called our planet yes oh no way i do find his voice like asmr like i fall asleep to it yeah it sounds like a if a blanket were a voice yes a nice woven blanket if you turn the volume down really low he's like whispery like as you see the dinosaurs not dinosaurs but like that'd be amazing if he narrated dinosaurs. It would all be from memory.

Yeah. I was there. I like that BBC's version is like objective planet Earth and Netflix is like our planet. We own this shit. Netflix is planet motherfucker. Yeah. That's the UK versus America.

Right. It's like, this is fact. And it's like, well, what do we see? I've actually been helping out at my friend's preschool. And many of the things you're friends with a preschool student yeah a teacher and so many things she teaches the kids and it's like did you know that the owls birthed an egg like everything is so fantastical and amazing and when we were taught it was like the owls make an egg and you know like it's just so like this is how it is. Yeah, exactly. Whereas here everything's like, and then the birds fly.

And then for three long weeks, the egg grows. Exactly. And to me, the kids are like, wow. And I'm like, that's just life. That's just how it works. It's kind of cute. So you guys are a matter of fact. Right.

A little bit. And the owl shites out an egg. And it's overrated. It's overrated. The out an egg. Yeah. And it's overrated. It's overrated. The whole bloody thing is overrated. It's overrated. It makes a baby and who knows what happens. It's the evolution of life, I guess.

Right. Let's talk about the NYPD versus Waze. Yeah. Waze. Do you still use Waze? I use Waze sometimes. It's actually good. I think in certain areas it's good, and at certain times, you know, like LA can be such

a clusterfuck traffic-wise that sometimes Waze can give you a bit of an out to try and avoid traffic. Right. Other times it will just send you in a, man, all the left turns, like unprotected left turns. Nope. Don't like that. Especially not in LA at rush hour. But, I mean, for the most part, it hasprotected left turns. Nope, don't like that, especially not in LA at rush hour.

But I mean, for the most part, it has its uses. Anytime I get an Uber driver that's like, I'm going to use Waze, I'm like, oh God, this is going to be a long journey because I feel like it always goes like roundy streets. Yeah, it can be weird. Yeah, sometimes it can take you way out of the way when it could be like, okay, yeah,

maybe I saved four minutes, but we went like a mile out of way, and you're adding distance. So whatever. But for people who don't know, on Waze, you can do stuff like you can add flag, like, oh, there's a pothole here. There's construction, or there's a dead end, or whoop, whoop. That's the sound of the police. There's a DUI checkpoint or DWI checkpoint, depending on what part of the country you're in, the police, there's a DUI checkpoint or DWI checkpoint, depending on what part

of the country you're in, for them to stop drivers to make sure no one is drink driving, as you would say, in the UK. Is that what they say? Yeah, drink driving. I used to cycle around. I actually used to cycle around LA and everyone thought I had a DUI. I'm like, no, I'm just British.

Right, right, right. I like that assumption. They're like, yo, I think Katya has a drinking problem. She bikes everywhere. Like someone with a DUI. But yeah, so on Waze, I guess the New York police were really kind of not feeling it because they noticed a lot of people were sort of marking where DWI checkpoints are. So they hit them with like a really intimidating letter, like legal letter.

It said, individuals who post the location of DWI checkpoints may be engaging in criminal conduct since such actions could be intentional attempts to prevent and or impair the administration of the DWI laws and other relevant criminal and traffic laws. So basically saying like them posting it is irresponsible, blah, blah, blah. Google's argument is like, you know, look, we're just trying to let other drivers alert people to things on the road. Like they say that when, for example, when they tell people about like speed traps or things like that, by putting that there, it might help a driver or most likely would help a driver make a safer decision knowing that this is a thing. Yeah. But on the other end of the- With DWI, it's harder to make that argument. Yeah.

That just is helping drunk people evade. Right. Well, I think that's also, but I think that's where it kind of becomes like a First Amendment issue where it's like, well, you can tell people that if you're merely saying I'm trying to avoid traffic

rather than I'm trying to enable people who are drunk and driving. But at the end of the day, I mean, I in no way think we should make it easy for people who might be drunk

to be like, well, okay, better avoid that part of town and then just drink and drive in this part of town. Right, exactly. So we'll see where it goes, what legal steps happen next. Yeah, that is interesting. I've been waiting for this ever since the first time that I avoided a speed trap with Waze. And I was like, oh, but that can't be good for cops.

Like, cops cannot be okay with that. I think in LA, though, the thing that people really hate about Waze is, like, suddenly there's traffic on streets that were never, like, thoroughfares, like, you know what I mean? Like, especially in the hills, there are people who have, like, aggressive signs, like, if you came here because of Waze, just turn around. Yeah.

This street's too narrow. And you're like, okay, like, if you came here because of Waze, just turn around. Yeah. This street's too narrow. And you're like, okay, whoa. Thank you. My street, like back when I lived in Westwood, our street would just every once in a while have standstill traffic going all the way up it because like a Waze. Right. It was like to avoid traffic off of Main Street. Yeah.

But like you couldn't. Yeah, it was just crazy. It was like a traffic jam. And some neighborhoods have gotten, who are so on just crazy. It was like a traffic jam. And some neighborhoods have gotten, who are so on the ball or just have connections at City Hall,

well actually I've noticed like when I was really using it, when I was commuting like from the west side to the valley and back and forth and was really taking advantage of side streets,

they got signage up to be like during like rush hour, like from seven to nine and from four to seven to not even come fucking through this street. And I'm like, wow, that happened quick. I wonder what city council member lives here.

Right, exactly. Let's talk about the word chunky. Okay, what do you have to say about me? I just think it's a good way to describe your calves. Thank you. Well, no. These things are godlike, I would say. Thank you.

No, so Campbell's is trying godlike, I would say. Thank you. No. So Campbell's is trying to, I guess, trademark or, yeah, I guess they did successfully trademark the word chunky. Yeah. Whoa. Because I think they saw other people using chunky on the labels of their soups, like Progresso. Right.

Okay. And they're like, look, chunky is our fucking, that's our brand. That's our brand. That's Campbell's fucking brand. Donovan McNabb's mom did not go through all that trouble for us to be here. Because I think that, wasn't that like one of the first times? I mean, it's been happening for a while. But I remember Donovan McNabb's mom made a career.

Yes. An NFL quarterback, Donovan McNabb. I'm sorry, Conti's like, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. He sounds like he could be British. Yeah, Donovan McNabb. Yeah, that's a very... Oh, McNabb. Yeah, like where his mother was like, this is his secret.

I'm serving him soup in the locker room or whatever. Adorable. And I think they were just saying like, look, we don't like other brands closing in on Chunky because, you know, most people, 75% of people, they had some weird numbers saying that a lot of people associate the word Chunky with the Campbell's brand. And to this filing to try and get their trademark approved, they brought all kinds of stuff like articles from The Onion to SNL sketches to all these things to be like, Chunky is Campbell's word. They even pulled up with Wu-Tang lyrics to show you that Chunky and Campbell's are fucking hand in hand. So they took a lyric from a Ghostface killer track, Murder Goons, where he said,

leave your brand all chunky like I'm advertising soup for Campbell's. And they said, oh, that's not enough? Well, how about this one from Return of Theodore unit, where he said, chunky and I ain't talking chicken noodle soup. Yes. Wow. So Ghostface, I feel like if anything, why don't they give Hook Ghostface up with some soup? They should just make him their brand spokesperson.

Yeah, I mean, he would probably be a little too wild for Campbell's. Right. Like, as a Brit, we don't have Campbell's soup as much. So I just think of, like, chunky as in, like, oh, no, I'm feeling a bit chunky today. I should lay off the fries. Yeah. Is there canned soup? Is canned soup a big thing? Yeah, yeah. We have, like, Heinz I'm feeling a bit chunky today. I should lay off the fries. Yeah. Is there canned soup? Is canned soup a big thing?

Yeah, yeah. We have like Heinz is our one. Oh, right. Like the German brand. Yeah, that's our Heinz tomato soup and Heinz vegetable soup. Wait, they're from the US, aren't they? Yeah. Are they?

Yeah, they are. Oh. Yeah, that's our ketchup. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The yeah, yeah, yes. Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, so, you know, they've gotten yeah, yeah. The yeah, yeah, yes. But yeah, so they've gotten their trademark but it only pertains to soup. They're clear on that. This is a thing that happens in the US. T-Mobile tried to trademark and I think succeeded that color, magenta. They were just like, nobody else can use that now.

For anything? Yeah. This is our CMYK number or whatever that very specific color code is? Yeah. They're like, this is our CMYK number or whatever that very specific color code is. Yes. And I think it succeeded because anytime I see that color, I do associate it with T-Mobile. And that's called branding, baby. That is how you win in America. Let's talk Beetlejuice.

Yeah, I mean, I only- But only say it once. Okay, then, Beitelgeist. Beetlejuice. Yeah, I mean, I only... But only say it once. Okay, then, Beitelgeist. Beetlejuice. They've set their Broadway cast. I don't know who any of these people are, but I just like the idea that there's a Beetlejuice musical. I normally don't care for musicals,

but visually, Beetlejuice as a kid really captured my imagination from the wacky house that was in there to the Harry Belafonte sequence. Yes. But yeah, there's a full-on musical. I mean, it makes sense. I guess on one side I'm like, a Beetlejuice musical? And then I'm like, yeah, actually, Beetlejuice I think is perfect fodder for a musical. This is so weird because the two songs I just added to my son's playlist are the Harry Belafonte song and The Heat Is On.

So today is really influenced by my son's playlist. So you've manifested things as well. Yes, I am manifesting things just with sheer intention. It's a good song. Wait, so you're saying this is the Beetlejuice, this is about him as a child? Or you were saying that you... No, as a child. As a child.

As a child. This captured your imagination. Yeah, because being an 80s baby, you're like, wow. It was a very good movie that, I don't know, Michael... Keaton. Keaton's performance now stands out to me as like, wow, that was a really good comedic performance. But he hasn't really gone there in a long time, I don't feel like.

Yeah, I feel like that's something in his bag he has not gone into. Did you see his SNL bit? He did SNL as a host once. And he did this bit where he held a baby chick to a chicken nugget and was trying to get the baby chick to eat the chicken nugget. It was so disgusting. But he was playing dark characters. Right. He was so good at it.

Right, yeah, yeah. Because even in his really good performances, you can tell he has really good comedic chops because there's a level of comedic awareness. I think he started as a stand-up, maybe. Really? I believe so, yeah. Yeah, but now what's funny is Beetlejuice as a dude

would be the grossest fucking human ever. But look, he's Beetlejuice, he's fucking dead, and he hangs out with shrunken head dudes in that weird waiting room. That scene always fucked me up. Right. That weird explorer who had the shrunken head, I was always like. Yeah, it scared me. It's too scary. I haven't seen it since.

No. I don't know if the movie, I haven't seen it in 30 something years. That is definitely a movie that has a very like outsized place in my consciousness like it just hit me at the right time oh yeah and they have toys and shit like cause if it's

like our general area it must be but it was a thing for the longest time like I guess you know like there was a fucking when I first heard about it I thought they were talking about the Beetleju rock and roll graveyard review live show that these have a universal studios right it was like that was the first beetlejuice musical or the dude came out in a costume and did really lame shit um but yeah i don't know i think it was i mean like i think there was a cartoon there were toys there was a whole like you know secondary franchise yeah

that's cool did Beetlejuice make it over to where yeah Halloween you see all the girls in the like

striped pinsuit pants oh nice yeah the Winona character yeah the Winona rider character

or as just no no Beetlejuice yeah as Beetle yeah the stripy suit. But he's not a girl.

I know. Wait, what? I know, dude. That's what I'm telling you. Things are different. They got socialism over there. Women are dressed like Beetlejuice. All right, we're going to take a quick break.

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laugh because i thought of this rapper who's from Atlanta purportedly who, you know, had this very storied life in Atlanta. Like, wait, turns out has a UK passport, overstayed his visa and is now getting deported. Ha ha ha. Right. And I look, I'm guilty of laughing at that, too. But the more that story develops and we actually sort of, you know, as I realize how fucked ICE is in general, I'm wait no this is actually a very very not funny story yes at all so on sunday right before the super bowl like during you know i think they say started as a traffic stop they say that he was arrested during a quote targeted operation with federal and local law enforcement they

described the incident as u.s immigration Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested unlawfully present United Kingdom National. His given name is Shayah bin Abraham Joseph. They also went as far as to further comment to say his whole public persona is false, which is a very weird thing. In what way? I don't know because he's from the U.K. and not this Atlanta rap. It's a really, really weird story because ICE rarely would comment on anything beyond the facts of a detainee. Can I ask what's ICE or who's ICE?

Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The unnecessary immigration police that have only been around since like 2003 and are just meant to harass sort of immigrant populations. Or if you're on the right, you're like, they're enforcing our laws for people who come in here the right way. Again, the whole, there's a lot of just weird stuff around. You know, they want, they painted him as like a, like a. A felon, right? Convicted felon. Right.

And all these other things. When he was caught up in a drug charge, I think when he was a minor, but that was expunged from his record. And they're holding him without bond, which is very bizarre because all of the details around his immigration, like most people will have been released at this point. Right. Because he was actually brought here at like age seven and has, you know, like, like any dreamer would have been as a minor and, you know, lost track of his visa stuff. He he's been applying for a visa. All of his family

members have all their immigration status stuff sorted out. So he's been known to DHS. It's not like he's been sort of trying to skirt the law or anything. He's in the process of obtaining a visa, which is really strange for them to try and detain him., again, when you sort of look at sort of what ICE has been up to in like the last year or like ending in September of last year, ICE ordered about, you know, close to 300,000 deportations and African immigrants are representing the biggest proportional spike within this group. And I think, you know. This is the shithole country era of immigration reform. And there's also elements of retribution because five days before he was detained, he was on Fallon and was making comments about the border, like border security, like the laws that we're pursuing are just like whack.

You know, he's basically saying like this whole thing is a fucking joke. And like, why the fuck are we focused on this? Also, Flint, Michigan doesn't have water. He was just really sort of outspoken about this so a lot of people were like this is really a disproportionate uh response to what has happened and i don't know it just sort of seeps into this other thing of like america's pattern of questioning and scrutinizing blackness or brownness whenever possible to try and discredit it as being American. And this is another situation where you have ICE doing the thing where they dehumanize someone who's come here from another country as dangerous criminal because they're like a

convicted felon. Okay, someone who made some dumb mistakes when they were a kid, the record is expunged. Okay, whatever. Then also saying that this guy is not who he says he is. He's a phony. And again, these are just sort of ways to question, like, is this person can even be American at this point? Yeah, maybe he came here when he was seven, but he's from the UK. And I mean, like, this guy's whole persona is phony. It just like reeks smacks of like when what they were trying to do to Barack Obama, too. But also, he moved here when he was seven.

Those are like the formative years. Like, I moved to Scotland when I was 10. And within two weeks, I went from being like, oh, hello, I'm English. To then, like, no, you're fucking not. I'll stab you. So I was like, okay, hello. Right, right, right. It's like, you will, like at stage seven, like, no wonder he's got an American accent.

He's just trying to fit in. Well, exactly. And I mean, this sort of goes on to the just sort sort of when you think about the conditions of detention for people that are caught in the ICE snare, the ACLU points out that there are no regulations or real standards regarding like enforcement conditions, as we've known, because children are dying in ICE custody and things like that. But again, there's this process of dehumanizing immigrants. There's no regulations for how they're being detained. Process of dehumanizing immigrants.

There's no regulation for how they're being detained. And then on top of it, Hannah Jorgis in The Atlantic made a really good point about just sort of this is an extension of the myriad of ways that black and brown people are de-citizened, essentially. Whether it's through this overt process of ICE coming through and being like, where are your papers? Let me see your papers. Where were you born? How long have you been here? How did you get here? Kind of thing?

Or if it's the terror of racism and being terrorized by racism to chase us out of neighborhoods or areas to not feel welcome, this is just sort of part and parcel of, you know, kind of what's on brand for America in terms of being, you know, black and brown and even 2019. Yeah.

Even if you're a celebrity. Even if you're the president. Exactly. There's no height. There's Even if you're a celebrity. Even if you're the president. Exactly. There's no height. There's no height you can attain. And you were legitimately born here and you show your birth certificate to the entire country.

They're going to try to say that you're from a different country. Here, I had someone be like, oh, you foreigner Brits coming out here taking our acting jobs. I'm like, your last name is O'Brien. It was Jack. It was me.

It was actually a different O'Brien. Right before we started recording. It was Dan O'Brien. But I was like, well, you're an Irish person by descent. Like, yeah, but you're a foreigner. I'm like, because I have an accent. I'm like, I'm American. Right.

What the fuck? Yeah, it's really funny. It's just about the whole idea of like what nationality even means and things like that. Totally. Again, it starts off being funny on Twitter as banter. Right. And I'm not even sure most people still realize how serious the situation is

because there's really not – when his lawyers, they put out a statement that really goes into a lot of the ways that ICE has been just sort of misconstruing the entire situation to fit some narrative of how this is justified. And it seems like at every turn from where he's at in his visa application and things like that, that there's really no reason for this, especially to be held without bond. And he's on like 23-1. Like he's locked down 23 hours.

Yes. And it's very clearly about him going on Kimmel and saying things about ICE. Like, I mean, they, right. I'm sure journalists can't be like, obviously it's that, but that's clearly what it is because he did that five days ago.

He's been in touch with them. They've known where he was for years now. Like he's in Atlanta, right. For the Superbowl is right in Atlanta. They could have arrested him at any point, but it's five days after he goes on Kimmel and says that, and then they have a statement about how he's not...

His persona is false? His public persona. What the fuck are you, writing for The Source or something? That's such a fucking weird... We actually try and figure out who's actually hood, who's actually been in the trap.

Yeah, that's ICE's place to make that comment. It's just so petty and vindictive and shitty and racist so yeah so go do that go do one ice speaking of all of those adjectives tucker carlson was early in january actually on his show uh gave a monologue where if you were watching or you saw a clip of it, you might have felt like you were having a stroke because he just like suddenly started. It was like there was a truth translator on him or something like the shit that he was saying in a lot of cases.

So he basically said our leaders or he. This is a quote. This is a quote. He didn't basically say this. This is what he said. He literally said. He literally said. He literally said, Our leaders don't care.

We are ruled by mercenaries who feel no long-term obligation to the people they rule. They're day traders, substitute teachers. They're just passing through. They have no skin in the game, and it shows they can't solve our problems. They don't even bother and understand our problems. The idea that families are being crushed by market forces seems never to occur to them. They refuse to consider it. Questioning markets feels like apostasy.

Both sides miss the obvious point. Culture and economics are inseparably intertwined. Huh. What? Certain economic systems allow families to thrive. Thriving families make market economies possible. You'd think our ruling class would be interested in knowing the answer, but mostly they're not. It's interesting that he focuses on substitute teachers, but basically he's making a critique of market capitalism as not just a tool that helps people.

But read that quote. When you think about this quote as coming out of Tucker Carlson's mouth, I think it makes this point. But first, Republican leaders will have to acknowledge that market capitalism is not a religion. I'm sorry, Tucker Carlson just said that to Republican leaders? Market capitalism is a tool, like a staple gun or a toaster. You'd have to be a fool to worship it. What? Fox News, excuse me, is Alexandria Ocasio-cortez writing for tucker carlson right now it's very surprising in a lot of ways but i mean this is what trump got elected on partially is kind of

economic populism just basically saying that there are billionaires out there who are you know and just corporations and you know the one percent who are holding working people down. He just happened to pair that with racism. And then he also happened to not follow through on that and actually follow through with economic policies that are the opposite of that, that are specifically designed to keep that in place. But it does seem like people on both sides

are going to eventually come around to the fact that the truth, I guess. Yeah, is that the system shit's fucked. Right. And I think I was going to say that after the State of the Union. But whoever's running in 2020 just needs to have the slogan shit's fucked and we got to do something. Right. And that applies to the left or the right. You can figure I think a lot of people.

Right. And that applies to the left or the right. You can figure I think a lot of people. I mean, I think some people are still willing to do some mental gymnastics and be in denial that their situation has anything to do with capitalism. But I think a lot of people do feel that way. But it's odd, too, because Donald Trump has now trying to at least with the State of the Union, almost try and slightly frame it as capitalism versus socialism. Right. Because he said America will never be a socialist country. But that's a slippery slope, my man, because on one end, you can use that to say, oh, look at the economy. Let's keep it going in this way. But a lot of people are also of the mindset that the way things are going are not good enough and are actually contributing to the disproportionate incomes and things like that, an opportunity for people. Right. You're seeing this on both sides. With regards to mainstream neoliberal democratic

things, the people who used to be neoliberal market-worshipping Democrats are now all supporting Medicare for all. And there's been this leftward shift to a policy that was proposed by Bernie Sanders, who in 2016 was seen as this crazy, outside-the-box, leftist socialist, which he is a socialist, but that was seen as wild. I'm just curious. Now, the way it's manifesting itself on the right is Tucker Carlson's monologue. But like, what is their, what is the rights version of Medicare for all and having a stronger social safety net? I don't know. Is it just authoritarianism? Is it just like we should take over and I don't, I not sure what their answer is because if you're going to acknowledge the, you know, inequality,

there's no way to really do that through a capitalist lens at the moment, or at least the market-based solutions aren't very effective from what we've seen. Especially when you talk about healthcare, they tried to do a market-based sort of way to be like, okay, what's the market? How can we sort of work within that to make something work? And it didn't. Or it's very, there's a lot of flaws in it that still benefit the market forces.

So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how the right can own it without sort of also being like, yeah, actually, we focus on socialism too. We do need to address this stuff. Because I don't know, what are you going to tell billionaires that like hey can you guys just like start little fun companies for people to work at and you know like i don't know it's so interesting as well like the

cultural difference like my mom's norwegian so they in norway you you know you have the 10 commandments the 10 commandments here are like you must not be bad to your neighbor or whatever in norway they have a thing called yanteloven which their ten commandments are you must not think you're better than anybody you must not stand out from the crowd you must not think you have anything to like teach the crowd or show the crowd so their philosophy and and you know upbringing is so socialist whereas in america the the it's like you can do it live your dreams you know so it's it's almost like you can't be uh you know the amongst the puppies like you have to be this whole puppy right yeah we've talked before about the study that showed a fish

that was like separated from a school of fish and in other countries they're like oh that fish is fucked it's like isolated being isolated it did something bad and other countries, they're like, oh, that fish is fucked. It's like being isolated. It did something bad. And in America, they're like, there's the leader. That's the George Washington fish. Yeah, I think that's absolutely true of just how we process things. And I'm actually really eager to get your thoughts on this next story because a big thing that if you're kind of paying attention to the weeds of, you know, all the people who are coming out and declaring for the Democratic nomination for 2020, a big argument that's taking place is, like we just mentioned, everybody is now saying they're for Medicare for all.

And in fact, like specifically aligning themselves with Bernie Sanders's policy. But there's this question of whether it is, you know, a Medicare for all where you do away with the entire private insurance industry, which is like a multi-trillion dollar industry. Like that's basically what Bernie Sanders is calling for. And that's what leftists are calling for. Whereas neoliberals who are saying they're for Medicare for all seem a little bit more wobbly on that. They're more like, well, you industry in the United States, it's going to suffocate that public option. It's going to keep lobbying, keep hammering at it until Medicare for all isn't a very good option, basically. Well, that's with the NHS in the UK. Everyone keeps saying, oh, the NHS is suffering and oh, the NHS isn't working. But it's because they keep cutting the funding right and for me personally I think it's a fantastic thing and I think they do a great job of what they have

and I'm so grateful for free health care and I feel like anytime I'm out here I'm just at stand-up clubs like telling the audience my health issues because I'm like too scared to go to a doctor right here right like anyone a doctor in the audience yeah I'm like so I try and do a bit around this growth on your arm yeah so NHS is your national health care service yeah national health service and when they're cutting the funding is it the conservatives who are basically like this is yeah we need more of a private option they keep saying exactly 100% we've had uh mean, Theresa May and then it was David Cameron. And it's like, yeah, they keep saying, oh, we need to go private. It's like, yeah, because you keep cutting the funding.

Right, right. You're creating the situation. I mean, I think that's the thing is there's on one side, yeah. I see the argument to say like, yo, let's do away with all the private insurers. But then you have, it's a very tough political battle, right? Because when you look at a lot of the polling, people, they like the concept of Medicare for all. But when you actually go into the mechanics of it, they're like, okay, well, then how do you feel about it if we did it and we got rid of your private insurance? They'd be like, well, the support drops down to under 30 or under 40.

So it's guarantee health insurance as a right for all Americans, 71%. Eliminate all health insurance premiums and reduce out-of-pocket healthcare costs for most Americans, 67%. Eliminate private health insurance companies, 37%. Are in favor, right. And do you favor or oppose having a national health plan? It's 56. So that's the number, It's 56. And that's, so that's the number, 56. A majority supports, you know, a national health care plan, which people are equating with Medicare for all. But what the interpretation of that is, is a much trickier question.

And I've heard it argued, you know, both sides. I've also heard people say, well, none of this is happening in 2021. sides. I've also heard people say, well, none of this is happening in 2021. So let's not make this the litmus test where you just disqualify candidates because you're not going to be able to put Bernie's vision in place in a single year. So let's just, you know, there are other socialist values that can be put into place that are more realistic. Right. This does seem to be a place where the rubber is hitting the road in terms of leftists versus neoliberals, basically. Yeah. It's one of those things, right?

Like Obamacare was trying to address it, but because it took into consideration the market and the private insurance companies, it just turned into this thing that wasn't really what it was intended to be. It was written by private insurance companies, it just turned into this thing that wasn't really what it was intended to be. It was written by private insurance companies. They took a CEO from a private insurance company and was like, turn this up for us. And I think that's why some people were like, it has to be all or none.

And that's where it gets tricky because it is such a huge industry. You have people who are employed by these insurance companies. What are the mechanics of trying to make that work? Right. And it's one of those things where I think the sentiment is there, but we really have to really think about the creative ways that we can actually get people to not have a reaction

to be like, oh, I'm going to lose my private health insurance. Because a lot of people who can afford their own insurance, I think most people who are fortunate enough to pay for or have employee provided insurance or whatever employer provided insurance are fine with that right but it's right when the second it starts being like well we would have to do away with that you start losing support and navigating that i think is going to be the toughest thing right i just heard about that guy that um changed the price from a 1313 HIV medication to $700? Yeah.

That's nuts. Yeah. Just the way that that's possible. The amazing thing about that is when you asked perfectly rational people about that who are like work in the markets, they're like, yeah, but what he's doing is just, that's logical. That's what you have to do. That's what the market dictates.

Right. And it's like, well, that's the problem with the market yeah the market doesn't work it doesn't take humanity into account yeah it just takes into how do i pump up these profits exactly so in england in france in canada uh and i think in most scandinavian countries, there are private insurance companies. They are sort of niche things for very wealthy people of means. And the point is that it's not the main thing, the private insurance industry. It's supplemental. It's not a multi-trillion dollar industry. To get the United States private health insurance industry down to the sizes of those would require a thing that is completely unnatural to America and to markets, basically, is the issue. So actually,

Katya, so in England, and this is just like genuine curiosity, is being a doctor a prestigious like career and is it like a one that you people are like oh he's a doctor he probably does well yeah like doctor lawyer going into medicine or law those are still the same like yeah and is the health care like do you have generally good experiences with health care like if i personally do. Yeah. I know that I've heard that because I live in London when I'm in the UK, that being in London, you're more likely to be seen quicker by the doctors for some reason than if you live in the countryside, like in a suburban rural area. Supposedly they're either maybe understaffed or they're not able to get the prescriptions that you might need. That's just what I've heard. But I generally have had a really good experience with it.

But I have had situations where, like, especially if I've needed something and I'm like, oh, I'm going out to America in two weeks. And they're like, well, on the NHS, we won't be able to get that done for you. So I'd have to go privately to get something dealt with right um before yeah so that is an option yeah um yeah and the question of how the system would be set up what the role of private insurance companies would be that is something that you would expect all the democratic candidates to have nuanced ideas on and nuanced positions on right and they haven't. And that's been a critique. Well, that's the thing.

It's everyone just like, yeah, y'all fuck with this, right? Yeah. Right. How are you going to do it? Fuck. Right. Yeah. Right.

Because this is, people like the politics of it. Right. You know, but it's the, when you get down to the nitty gritty of the policy, that's where we're going to start seeing, you know, the hair fly. From a user perspective, from a consumer perspective, from the people's perspective, that is the ideal, is you shrink the private insurance industry down to something that is there if you need it, if the publicly available system is not filling a need, like it's not getting you the medicine quickly enough and you have to pay extra because it is a private insurer.

But it's not catering to the needs of, for instance, there was a leaked slide presentation that The Intercept published recently that was one of Nancy Pelosi's main aides basically presenting to the head of Blue Cross Blue Shield and being like, look, we're going to find a way to kill this Medicare for all thing. Because Blue Cross Blue Shield and big companies like that, Kaiser and giant corporations are going to do everything in their power to make it so they don't have to shrink at all. Yeah. Well, that's the problem with healthcare overhaul or healthcare reform in the country is that it's such a moneyed industry. You're trying to take down a gigantic industry. And then also you have people who inherently are a little suspicious when the government's trying to be like, oh, we have something for you that's going to work. So there's a lot of hearts and minds that have to be changed really for it to kind of have that meaningful change. And I hope someone is able to communicate those ideas in a way that can, you know, get more support behind it. But yeah, it's just, it's just going to be a very, very interesting, difficult debate because of, you know, just the state of the industry and the state of how lobbying and all that works in this country. And like you said, Obama had a public option in Obamacare until the very

last round of revisions, and then it got crushed by the private insurance interests. And even if it had lasted, I mean, you still would have had these markets where probably they found ways to regulate, make it so that it didn't stand a chance. They found a way to thrive despite all of that anyway. So that's, you know. Yeah. I mean, the main issue is America's like down to the level of DNA, like at a very cellular level, America is organized on a principle of market economics and you're asking for them to change one of their largest industries into something that doesn't function in like by that logic at all. And it's going to be tricky, but again, the people are starting to come around. I mean, what we talked about with Tucker Carlson is the same thing we're talking about here. People

are starting to wake up to the fact that, you know, the vast majority of Americans get fucked in favor of these extremely wealthy handful of people who are at the top of corporations. Yeah. Well, I mean, what's good is that the will is there and I hope that only grows. Right. And I think now we just need to begin articulating this policy in a way that can bring more people in and make it a little more realistic from a policymaking standpoint too of how to do this and do it in a way that causes the least amount of damage possible.

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Yeah, they're doing a collab-o. She's going through and just kind of tidying up the places where they have the pictures of their dead relatives. She's like, what about this guitar? Can we get rid of that shit? Does it spark joy? No, so these are two kind of pop cultural phenomena from the past couple of years that seem to be specifically about the fact that America, or at least interesting to me from the perspective that America doesn't make a place to honor our history or any. Unless it's about the Confederacy. Right, exactly. We only want to hold on to the old gross shit. Right.

We literally pave over history and put up new buildings and malls. And our biggest, greatest city is New York City, where you may live in a building where the first woman voted or the first female vote was cast, but you wouldn't know it. Because there's literally no sign of history. It's just tear down, build up, tear down, build up, change. Right, right, right. In the UK, we have like these blue placards that go on buildings. They're going to be like,

the first donor of the Royal Ballet School lived in this house. It's a little cottage. They're like, preserve it. Yeah. And I think they even have some of those in the united states in new york city but i'd never noticed is the triangle shirt waste company is that building still around i'm sure like or there i'm sure there's a placard that says this

is where it happened but that's not a thing that people pay attention to people go to dwayne reed right people go to columbus circle to the shiny new mall there, you know, Times Square or whatever. And I think this is down to our entire philosophy is about reinventing ourselves, right? Like we like celebrities who constantly reinvent themselves. You know, we like movies where the mentally handicapped poor boxer today turns into the heavyweight champion tomorrow, or, you know, our biographies of great men revise their stories to be about them, you know, going from pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and totally just defying their background. And we will write out, you know, Malcolm Gladwell wrote about how Bill Gates' Malcolm Gladwell wrote about how Bill Gates' entire reason for being was defined by the fact that his parents got him access to a computer that he could program on at a young age manifest destiny is the founding philosophy of the United States, sort of erasing an entire millennia of previous culture and people that lived here and ignoring Marie Kondo came on the scene and I immediately assumed she was the sort of self-invented Western style huckster

that the self-help industry typically turns out like a Tony Robbins type you know but it turns out she grew up studying like she was a caretaker of a Shinto temple and is part of a tradition that is essentially Japan's national. It's kind of like a religion, but it's like part of it. I mean, Shinto Buddhism is, you know, right. Culture, too. I mean, a lot of the things in Japanese culture, like taking your shoes off. Right.

That come from Shinto. Yeah. And it's about connecting to the past and honoring the past and having a way to connect the present moment to the past. And a lot of her focus and her process is evaluating your relationship to an object and like what it represents of your past and I think it's a lot about the power of these objects to connect us to the past and spark joy or not. Well, I think it's also about minimalism too, right? Right. In Japan, it's funny. Hearing a lot of people from the States talk about all this stuff,

it's like very Japanese stuff to me. And I'm like, oh, right. Yeah. This is weird. Well, because I think it's so it's almost antithetical to like United States consumer culture, which is the accumulation of property. Right. How much she can. I have the most of these things.

Right. I have this many these things. And her whole thing is like it's like about harmonizing with your environment, which is a very Japanese thing. Like whether it's nature and flower arranging, this is sort of like are the objects around you, are they actually contributing to like a harmonious relationship with your surroundings? So if you have this, does it give you a good feeling? Is it energizing?

No? Probably not useful. Does it give you a good feeling? Is it energizing? Yes. No? Right. Probably not useful.

And I think, yeah, those are kind of the two forces budding up, especially when I see a lot of the, at least people's takes on it. Right. nature or when I'm in a foreign country where like they actually have sort of an entire culture that is like built around the past basically as opposed to in the United States it's like we have suburbs and we have parking lots that we just like pave over yeah and the people who were here and do give the land history we're like okay and y'all can go over here on your reservation yes and we're just gonna just build the wild mini mall everywhere else. We were driving up to San Francisco the other weekend for the SF Sketch Fest, and we stopped off. It was like this Dutch pea soup building.

Anderson's pea soup. Yeah, yeah. But it's kind of sweet because it looks like a Tudor building with a Dutch windmill. Tudor buildings are all British buildings, and I see that a lot. People are like, oh, my God, look at this cute little like ale house. I'm like, it's the Tudor building that they've made two years ago. Right, right, right. But I think that's what's cool about Coco, too, is how it introduces you to this whole culture that is about honoring your relatives and honoring the past.

Whereas in America, it's like elders, right? Your elders, right. Like, or your ancestors. Uh, whereas in America, you kind of, I mean,

it is really like, you want to look at the bleakness of the American sort of ideology, go to nursing homes where we just like shuttle off our old people to kind of be by themselves. And other cultures, you're like, yo, when you get to a certain age, mom and dad are living with me. Yeah. And like not going anywhere because we keep the family together. I just kind of really like the whole idea of a lot of people having to ask themselves if their items bring them joy. Because I felt like that first week when this show was out, a lot of people on Twitter had like jokes about it.

But we're also wrestling with the idea that this shit actually I really don't give a fuck about this. That's making me feel weird because before I was extracting my identity from that. And I don't know. I think it's also a way to sort of force yourself to understand like how much our identities are intertwined with objects we possess. Right. And how much is actually coming from like an internal source of like, this is who I am. Yeah.

Regardless of these external factors. As an American, I have to put it in terms of museums because that's the only place where we put the past. But like I think of it as like turning your home into a museum of your life, like kind of thing where you're like, you know, honoring these things as totems or artifacts from your life and like if they deserve a place in the museum that's great but it like you have to be a curator yeah yeah well you know the u.s is all about keeping it young and fresh that's what i mean it's fuck old shit right dude that's fucking old fuck that i was i know it's like when i'm at

parties out here people speak like eight octaves louder than the UK. So I like left the party and my ears were ringing. And I was like, I'm going to move to America when I'm an old lady and I'm starting to go deaf because I just won't be deaf out here. Yeah, just relative to the button. I can hear everyone. Yeah, all the Brits are like,

hello, can you just please press the button on the elevator? What are you saying? Well, yeah, even like it's funny when I was in Japan with like when you're on the trains and stuff, the people who speak the loudest are usually like people from other countries. Yeah. Because it's all about like, yo, just fuck up. Yeah, totally.

Keep your phone on silent. Just mind your own shit. Right. But those are, you know, those are the differences where, yeah, America is just like, it's me, me, me. Yeah. And this is what it is. You know, we're learning.

We're learning out here. That's right. Let's take messages from all over the world kate the first time i met you was on a episode of the crack podcast where we talked about things that uh seem strange to you yeah about america as somebody who's not from here and uh yeah the loud ass voices i'm like yeah yeah that's because that's just yeah the culture is so individualistic here and not about the group. And again, that that also just bleeds into our the way our politics are, too. The politicians are in there because they have their own individualistic goals of being like the most popular person in their part of the state because they're in Congress. And sort of like we don't think so much about the collective, especially now when we look at things like health care and education.

It's not so much about that. It's like, oh, well, who's going to benefit that I know directly from this policy? Right. Yeah. Well. Well. Let's sing about that this weekend. Let's sing about it.

Let's end with a song. Katya, it's been a pleasure having you, as always. Where can people find you? I mainly do Instagram. I have Twitter, but you basically see the same stuff that I put on Instagram I put on Twitter. There you go. It's at Katya Kvinge, so K-A-T-I-A-K-V-I-N-G-E. Awesome.

Dot com. Dot com? Dot TV. No, no, just that. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying or an Instagram post? That I've seen or one that I've done? Either. I did one that went kind of viral where I high-fived loads of people at the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

Because you know how they all stand with their hands up, like trying to hold the Pisa. So I ran, ran, ran and high-fived everyone. Like the perspective shot where people hold it up. So there's a video of me high-fived everyone like the perspective shot yeah exactly yeah so there's a video of me high-fiving all the people doing that i always love dog memes i can't get over that i still like that i have no idea what i'm doing type dog memes there's one where it's like this dog and it's eating different types of food and it's like broccoli and it's like yak and then it like feeds it meat and it's like like, mm, yum. This is good for my tongue. And then they feed it like cottage cheese.

And it's like, this is fantastic. How's it going to stink like fart later? I loved it so much. How are you with cottage cheese? I love cottage cheese. Okay, great. Okay. I'm going to make sure it wasn't resonating for other reasons.

Miles. Yes. Where can people find you? You can find me you you can find me you can find us you can find the whole Daily Zeitgeist crew we worked on the

Ron Burgundy podcast I just want to say that on the show one time out loud because it was a tremendous honor and labor of love from everybody

who works on the show Nick Anna Jack Sophie yeah we got to work on the Ron Burgundy podcast

so yes out of allegiance to us, just download that. You're going to like it. And also, if you don't, just at Will Ferrell. Don't leave me alone. Right. But, again, yes, please check out the Ron Burgundy podcast. If you want to find me on social media, you can find me at milesofgray, G-R-A-Y. A couple tweets I like is from uh gene greasy at gene greasy she says

all these fucking quote-unquote teachable learning moments is why we can't have nice things it's one year from 2020 i want my fucking hoverboard and my mech suit and my minority report contact lenses but no we're here in the future telling you blackface is wrong god damn it yeah 2020 y'all uh and another one is just a sentiment you hear a lot in uh la especially if this is from at uh a s l n o u x lisa chanel uh it just says congratulations how do you get that because that's pretty much if especially in this in the entertainment industry we're like oh oh my God, congrats. So how did that happen? Yeah, totally. It's never just like, congratulations.

Totally. It's like, why are you doing that better than me? Totally. It's just the most LA thing. I wish more people retweeted that because I'm like, wow, that's LA. It's basically in a quote. Congratulations.

How'd you get that? A tweet I've been enjoying from our good pal Yusuf Roach tweeted, When I moved to California, I thought astrology was stupid, but slowly I learned to just be into whatever hot girls look. You can follow me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on. Miles, what's that going to be? Man, it has not broken 62 degrees Fahrenheit in L.A., and I'm partially wanting the sun to come back. So I've been listening to a lot of music that inspires, uh, you know, tropical visions. So I will leave you

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