The Daily Zeitgeist - October Surprises Are CLICKBAIT?! Another Racist Hurricane 10.09.24

Episode Date: October 9, 2024

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She brought these dusty ass cookies over and I remember I took a bite and I was like, this shit is just trash. Something. Yeah, it's it had like it had taken on the taste of being in like like as if it was sat next to celery for fucking five weeks or some shit. Wow. It was the weirdest taste osmosmosis. For like a triple chocolate cookie. Like you're like, bro, this should not be a vegetable. That's not a good combo. Hell no. Triple chocolate with celery is not what I'm looking for.

Yeah. Do you think it was, do you think it was stored next to celery? Is that what was going on? It had to have been taken on the taste and also it was in a bag inside a bag because the original bag had torn and they didn't re-bag it. And then- They didn't re-bag it! You gotta re-bag! I texted my mom. If you're gonna re-gift, you gotta re-bag.

I said, what the fuck is up with these cookies? She's like, oh yeah, yeah, they got them in August or something, but she wasn't eating them, so I thought you'd want it. And I'm like, because you didn't want it the fuck, I'm like, how long did you have them? She's like, oh, I didn't know, maybe a week or something. She didn't want to throw it away. She does this shit, she brings her old food and puts it in my refrigerator that she doesn't want to throw away. I feel like they probably had like three conversations about those cookies. Like, maybe Miles, do you think Miles, maybe Miles would-

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We were talking about Moldy something or other, you know, before Sam even joined us, but I still like don't feel like... So we're talking two and a half months on some cookies. Oh, we're bringing that up? Yeah. I don't know., we're bringing that up? Yeah, I don't know. It just doesn't feel that bad to me. It's not that- The fact that they were stored with the celery,

I think is what- It's not- Is the only thing that fucked it up. You have to look at it this way. This was a like artisanally baked cookie. It does not have like the preservatives to give it an extended shelf life, maybe past the five days after it's been baked. You know what I mean? Like it was like one of those gift

basket. Yes. It was like in a cellophane with a ribbon on it. This was some high end. Yeah. You know what I mean? This wasn't I'm still eating that shit man. I'm sorry. Jack, if you I'll dig them out of the trash and I'll drive them over to your house. I don't want them out of the trash. I'm just saying like I your house. I mean, I don't want them out of the trash. I'm just saying like I'm kind of with your mom on this one. I would have brought the cookies over and thought I was doing you a solid. Okay. All right. All right. Anyway, my name is, but shout out to Maldi Cheese, which I will,

I have in the case of American cheese, I think for me it has to be American cheese. But if there's like a piece of mold on a slice of American cheese. I think it I think for me it has to be American cheese But if there's like a piece of mold on a slice of American cheese I will pull the mold piece off of the slice of American cheese wait and then consume the rest of the man How are you like you're talking about like crap singles? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're you're holding on the crap singles to the point Getting in the cellophane. I know it's like a science getting in the cellophane? I know, it's like a science study. Bro, that's like the worst. My refrigerator.

No. Yeah, that's too much. Oh yeah, just this little corner. Anyway, yeah, I'm revealing too much right now. My name's Jack O'Brien, AKA Potatoes O'Brien, AKA Banjo Eric, or AKA Rick E. Banjo.

Oh. You can go the other way. Okay, yeah. You know, like a Chuck E. Cheese? Yes, yes, yes. Rick E. Banjo. Entertainment Banjo. Entertainment Banjo. Ricky Banjo. Rick Entertainment Banjo. We're, we're distant cousins, me and Charles, entertainment cheese. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my cohost, Mr.

Miles Gray. Yes, it's Miles Gray coming live to you from the 818, also known as the Lord of Lakersham, the show gone with no gun and occasionally no buns because I do have podcaster butt that I am struggling with every day but I am on the bike yeah we're just rejuvenating my backside so it's just Achilles tendon right up to the back to your back no no buns it's not that. It's not that bad. It's not that bad, but you know. SirMixAlot would not want none because there are no buns.

No, not here. None detected. But hey, look, when you're 40, you got to, you got to focus on that stuff. You have to focus on that part. You have to focus. Yeah. Anyways, we are thrilled, Miles, to be joined by a journalist, a podcast host who you know is one of the hosts of Vibe Check, and the host, the host of the Sam Sanders show,

because it's Sam Sanders! Sam Sanders! I love this. What's up, Sam? That's an intro right there. Thank you all. Thank you all for having me. It's so nice to be here.

Thanks for being here. I'm loving the energy. We have to bring our A- because you are a first rate podcast. One of the second rate shows. You know what I mean? Yeah, so we're too kind. We're rising to vacation. It's so good to be here.

But I've been thinking about cheese as y'all were talking. Can we count blue cheese as moldy cheese? Yeah. In which case moldy cheese, blue cheese, exquisite. What about Roquefort? Who is that? That's the one. that's a level up How do I spell her name?

Roquefort Roquefort highfalutin you are highfalutin. I like the cheese. I like stinky ass cheese I'm not gonna lie the funkier the better. I don't know why I'm like a favorite I want like a little crumble of blue cheese on like a Trader Joe's, the little crackers with like raisins in them. And you drizzle a little honey on top. Yep.

Oh, yeah. Sam, Sam, we gotta have a cheese party. Yeah, yeah. Let's have a cheese party. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm in. I'm ready, absolutely ready. Yeah, cheese.

Sit your ass down at the Hollywood Bowl, you know, with that little. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Bring out some raisins, some crackers, some nice cheese. While you're watching the Justice concert. I was there at Justice. Oh, how was it? I know some people were there. It was pretty good.

Let me tell you something. We all picked the wrong career, and this is no shade on the skills of Justice as DJs, but I will say for their live set, they stand in one place for two hours. Right. The lights move. Everyone else is dancing. You feel alive and in it, but those dudes get to just stand up. Right.

I want that job. Yeah. I want that job. It's what a gig. And then you just have to look. I mean, it's, it is kind of like another job too, or it's like, Oh, look busy now. Look busy, look busy. Just don't let him think you're standing up to all of our jobs.

Yeah. We've all had that position at least once in our lives. Yeah. Is Roquefort a species of blue cheese, of the family blue cheese? Or is it like, is Roquefort different than blue? Because blue cheese just seems somewhat vague. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it is technically a blue cheese, right?

Made from sheep's milk in the Cambalu caves of Roquefort, Sauson, France. No, it's creamy texture and sharp, tangy, salty, something else from Wikipedia. I'm gonna say this, just looking at the Wikipedia's for both blue cheese and Roquefort, I'm gonna say blue cheese goes to a private school. Roquefort goes to a boarding school.

Yeah, yeah. Roquefort's like a rational on 1%. It goes to Sidwell Friends. Yeah, oh yeah. You know what I mean? To put it in some DC context. Yeah, yeah, it's in class with Malia Sasha Obama, basically. Oh yeah, definitely cut forth period with Malia Obama.

Smoking cigarettes because I'm from France and you should try these cigarettes. They're actually good for you when you get them from France. Yeah, it's like a steam cleaner for your lungs. How you say, how you say cigarette? Yeah. A four or five cigarette. And the teacher's just like, yeah, no, that's actually cool with us because

we're, we're on some like next level. Oh, the great French authors smoke cigarettes. We are teaching Camus right now. So the students are permitted to smoke cigarettes in class. All right. I love that Camus reference. Look at her. Yeah.

He has even stranger references coming up. Yeah. And by the way, I do spell camu the same as Shamu. So I'm not, don't, don't. K-A-M-U. K-A-M-O-O. Oh, is Shamu S.A. Distant cousin of T.

Mu. Yeah. His, his grandson is actually like a talent in Japan, which is really wild. Camus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, Shamu has a famous whale grandson. No, no, no. Albert Camus. Albert, right, yeah. I was like Shamu has a famous whale grandson.

Albert Camus, Albert, right? Isn't that his name? Albert. Yeah, his grandson, like Thane, he's a presenter on Japanese TV and he's fluent in Japanese. And I was always like, I remember being like,

what's that path? Interesting. But hey, yeah. I like that for him. I like that for the Camus legacy. Like existential dread and truly the only interesting question for humanity is why we don't kill ourselves. And then his great-grandson is like, welcome back.

Welcome back to the Masked Singer. No, he would do this. Before the Masked Singer, he would do the mask singer because he's like this blonde hair dude. He would go. There's a show that he would go on where he would go around the streets of Tokyo or Osaka or something. And he would ask a question. He's like, what's your, um, like pet peeve, like your biggest pet beef.

And they, because he's fluent in Japanese, they answer in Japanese. And he would always go, okay, now in English. And that was always like the bit. And then like the fun was watching people struggle with their English to say some like really funny version of what their pet peeve was. Um, but anyway, the implication being everybody does know how to speak English. You couldn't do that shit in America with like any other language. No, it would be wildly offensive.

I think. Right. Like, yeah, for sure. The responses would be wildly offensive. For sure. Right. Yeah. Oh, for sure. The responses would be wildly offensive. For sure. All right. Sam, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. All right.

All right. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things that we're all going to be talking about a little bit later on. We're going to talk about preparations for Hurricane Milton, specifically the GOP just ramping up the racism and the what is causing this. Is it? What could it be? Did Marjorie Taylor Greene just say that like

they control the weather? Yeah. With lasers, with lasers she said? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Marjorie, come on now. Do some research Sam, do some research Sam. She posted all the patents on her Twitter. Yeah.

Clearly you're not doing your own research. We're going to talk about the mainstream media's favorite discourse at the moment, which is, is this an October surprise? Is this Trump's wife writing a book we all knew about an October surprise? The real October surprise is call her daddy doing a better interview with Kamala than anyone else this cycle. Right. But don't get me started.

So we're going to talk about the October surprise, where it comes from, where that phrase even comes from and why it might be time to quiet down about the October surprise. All of that, plenty more. But first, Sam, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? I was so when I when they sent this question over to me, I was like, oh lord, Let me not go back and look at incognito mode But I am going to go right now To my phone and wow we're getting the live results

Yeah, the the results are coming as we speak miles and adulterated. Yep, and coming in as we speak, Miles. Unadulterated, yep. And I feel like, you know, there's always this divide with what you search. It's like the default browser on my iPhone is Safari, so I think my first searches come there, but my favorite saved tabs are in Chrome, so my third, fourth wave searches live there. Right, right, right. But we're going to start with my recent Safari Google searches. How do I?

Okay. I Googled Roquefort cheese. There you go. Um, oh, I was talking in another podcast this morning about one of these far right conspiracy theories about some people on the right saying that Biden has been slow on hurricane response because he's been at his beach house sunning his testicles. So that led me to Google the time that Tucker Carlson was pushing testicle tanning on his show. So my last real Google were the three words, Tucker Carlson testicles.

Yes, fantastic. And how are we, how are the results? What do we, what do we work on? You don't wanna go down that path. Oh, really? You don't wanna go down that path. Now that is surprising to me. It just kind of outlines how this dude was like fully crazy.

And like two years ago, he was telling people to sun their testicles to up their testosterone. And he had someone called a bromeo therapist on or something to talk about all this stuff. to sun their testicles to up their testosterone. And he had someone called a bromeo therapist on or something to talk about all this stuff, just kook science. Right. Kook science. Bromeopathy or something like that. Bromeopathy, yes, yes, yes.

Bromeopathy, yeah, yeah, whatever. There's a Vanity Fair headline that reads, Tucker Carlson, colon, tan your balls if you want to be a real man. Wow, wow. And while we're here, and I can say this because I'm gay, in colon, tan your balls if you want to be a real man. Wow. Wow. And while we're here, and I can say this because I'm gay, so I can be a straight man. Who on the what straight man in the world is taking how to be a man lessons from Tucker fucking Carlson? Not Yeah. Well, only how's way the most? Yeah, the

most misguided I think. Hold on. Yeah. What did Tucker Tucker say? It's like, I guess do I keep my bow tie on? Yeah. What did Tucker Tucker say? It's like, I guess, do I keep my bow tie on my bow tie? Yeah. When I tan my balls. I don't because I remember wasn't there someone like around like at the start of the lockdown, someone was talking about like sunning your butthole to and like your taint was like another one. That was the thing. Also, then for a while, Gwyneth Paltrow was like, stick this J.D. Egg up your noni. Yeah. Yeah.

And then there was some noni sunning as well on the on the goop side, if I'm not mistaken. And for a second there was noni steaming. Right. And I know this because years ago when that was a trend, I was like, oh, they can't keep this from the men. So I went to a spot in LA that did the vaginal steaming. And in all earnestness, I went with my former partner and I was like, well, can you do it for us too? And they were mad that I would even ask.

I was like, well, steam mine too. They're like hopper. Why? Alas, they wouldn't steam me. Why? It's probably for the best. It's just for vagines. But I mean, like, is the techno,

I mean, what I'm picturing just maybe someone having like a garment steamer, like underneath a seat. Yeah. And then like a barbershop, like capes that you put like around your waist. Right, right, right. Huh. Okay. Well, yeah. Hey, for those of us being- So one day I'll find out. Yeah, if you're being discriminated, just get yourself a garment steamer or maybe a humidifier.

Wrapped yourself in a towel. We legally cannot give this advice on this podcast. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Anyway, check out my live stream on Saturday morning, but don't do what I do. Do as I say, not as I do. That's right. Also, Gwyneth, if you need a male volunteer as tribute. Right.

Yeah, I like you, Gwyneth. I think you're cool. I volunteer to be steamed. It does suggest that the people who are doing the steaming are in it for the wrong reasons. Why are they discriminating between, you know, to be steamed. It does suggest that the people who are doing the steaming are in it for the wrong reasons. Why are they discriminating between, you know? Right.

Because I'd imagine, right, are they saying, you just won't get the benefits from it? You're like, well, what if I just want to feel the steam up there? Or they're just like, I don't want to see that. You know, after what was happening, I get it, and I understand this response. They were just like, why is a man even trying to get up in this?

It's for women. And as, as, as, as well-intentioned as I was going to that storefront, they probably were like, is this guy pranking us? So I go, Oh, right. Right. Yeah. I get it. Yeah.

Yeah. You did have an entire YouTube video crew with you. I had James O'Keefe right behind me. Yeah. Wearing a p get it. Yeah. Yeah, you did have an entire YouTube video crew with you I had James O'Keefe right behind me. Yeah Sam what's something you think is underrated Walking Hmm. I live in LA and nobody wants to walk Nobody wants to freakin walk. Yeah. And like I have two dogs. I walk a lot with them But I also believe in if you have an errand to run that you can get to in less than a mile and a half Walk it if you have to write. Yeah walking like literally

I always feel better after a walk. My mind is clear after a walk and you know, y'all know this Angelina's will drive a block. Yes. we do. Walk. Yes, I do. Let's walk more. Yes, I do. I also like, I've, I've been trying to use like my bike more as like a, in between where it's like, see that's a bridge too far because these drivers out here are too fast, too furious. That's why I have like created my own network of residential streets that I

use to not be on like those main thoroughfares. Cause yeah, cause I'll get you you there is nothing more frightening than being on a bicycle like on a main street in Los Angeles because people fucking just are so unaware. Have you noticed how one since pandemic lockdown road rage has gotten worse? And then two the basic rules and laws of traffic people just disobey everyone runs red lights if you're at a four way stop, a car behind you might just come around you and zoom through. Yeah. Like the basic laws of how we commute in cars.

Right. People ignore them now in L.A. It's why I'm seeing more and more of people doing the Pittsburgh left turn. What is that? That's like when this the the, the second the light goes green, the person in the left turn lane just cuts it across before. I've always heard that as New York, but I like that you're slandering Pittsburgh with this. That's how I heard it from a dude who I know like lived in Pittsburgh and he will. And if you look it up, it's, it's, it's people call it the Pittsburgh left. Yeah. Yeah. Yen Yen's doing the Pittsburgh left. Hey, he's doing the Pittsburgh left. Hell yeah. Yen's doing the Pittsburgh left anymore. You he's doing the Pittsburgh left. Hell yeah. I'm going to come in. He's doing the Pittsburgh left anymore.

You ever hear Pittsburgh people just add an anymore onto the end of a sentence? I like that. It's kind of fun. It's like a nice open ended thing. People also called the whole shot, which I think. Yeah. The also known as a Boston left or a New York left. Yeah. Yeah. Either way, illegal. Yeah. Yes. We look down on New York in this household, not nowhere else. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. I'm actually curious, Zygang, let us know,

because this is something that we've talked about a little bit here and there, but it does feel like people have become less and less aware that other human beings exist or like willing to drive as though other human beings exist. Oh yeah. It's just. Yeah. And everyone is like, everyone sees the slightest inconvenience while they're driving as like the biggest crime.

Yes. I'll be trying to change lanes. I will signal, which is my way of saying please and thank you. Then the other car will speed up to block me. I signaled. I was being courteous. Yeah, right. It's very competitive.

There's a competition going on and there's like a rage that is just in every single interaction in a car. Yeah. This is actually something I talked about in therapy because I would get petty, right? I'm like, Oh, you're not about like, you know, the thing like especially on freeway interchanges, it'll be backed up and people just want to go to the side and then cut in at their last moment shoulder on the shoulder. And I'm like, hell no, you're not not to me, not to me. And my therapist, shout out Dr. Shemitra was like, maybe we should maybe we should investigate what is it about? Is it because is it

your ego? And I'm like, yeah, I think it's like, is it because you don't you think to them, you're not that person who should be getting cut in front of and I'm like, this might be true. So I now I have to like use it as an exercise to like, separate myself from my ego and be like, Yeah, people are trying to get places to I'm not in a rush. They might be fucking Yeah, I always tell myself when I'm dealing with traffic and people being assholes in traffic. Most of the time, they don't know who you are. And they don't care. Yeah, no car they're trying to get by. No one is like, that's Sam in that car. And I'm going to show him. Oh, that's Sam Sanders. Oh, I've been waiting for this fucking day. They would be an asshole to any car. You were just in the way. Yeah, exactly. We're got a bogey. Yep. Sam Sanders on the road in front of us. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Cut him off. He's trying to zipper merge. He's trying to zipper merge. I backed out of my driveway this morning to take my kids to school and a car, like

two cars stopped to let me out. It was like, thank you so much. Third car zoomed around all of us and just blew through. I just, can I tell you my worst fantasy about dealing with road rage? I've thought a lot about whether or not I could acquire those spikes that flatten tires and just have them to toss out like Mario Kart when someone pisses me off. A spike strip. You somehow drive fast enough to get around them.

Uh-huh. Oh, yes. But they're still giving you the finger out the back of their car, laughing, laughing. And then you just say, I am not the one. I am not the one. And today is not the day. I always had a fantasy that I could have enough money, like fuck you money, where I just had a car that I just taught lessons in when it's like, I'm not slowing down.

I know you think you can cut me off, but we'll get in a light accident. Let's see, baby. It will be your fault. And I have time. And guess what? I am on my fifth insurance provider. Boom. Because they know.

This is my fuck you car. Yeah. This is my fuck you car. Fuck around and find out. Yeah. And that's what I'm like, this is again, these are all things that are like. Stunt car in more ways than one. So all this to say.

Let these go. Let's walk more as a society. Yeah, exactly. Let's walk more. Yeah. Walk more and be very careful when you're walking across the street because people no longer can see pedestrians. It's just not, it's not happening anymore. Yeah.

And if you ever are on the fence about thinking you want to exhibit road rage, just remember you do not know who has a gun in their car. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You actually don't know. Or who has a gun in their car. Yeah, yeah. You actually don't know who has or who has a strip of spikes, you know. Yeah, that's right. Or who has a red shell from Mario. Sam, what's something you think is overrated? Ooh, controversial opinion here.

The Spotify algorithm. Oh, it was really great for a while, but have you noticed over the last year has gotten worse. I've I'm a longtime Spotify user, the algorithm has hath giveth many great suggestions. And now my discover weekly is like a mess. It's a mess. It's not it's not giving me the grip. And I've talked about who the DJ the DJ part of it, who everyone is like, does that sound that sounds like sim people like oh The Spotify DJ sounds like you Sam and I'm like one the racism not all right

Oh, I don't know sounds like you too. If Spotify was paying me to be a DJ voice I wouldn't be doing shit else but take You wouldn't be on podcasts like this. I'd be taking Spotify money. No, it's bad now, right? Isn't it bad now? I definitely feel like cuz the thing is, it you know, like we use a like my account on like, whatever, like smart speaker we have. So when we say so, sometimes we put other music on that isn't my taste. And then the next thing is like, Oh, so you love this kind of obscure like indie pop music? I'm like, not really, man, like, please take it in totality. Like that was a that was a

moment. But that's not where my entire interests lie. And so, yeah, it's gotten a little bit harder. I have a theory about this. So a few months ago, Spotify made news because they said and announced that new and upcoming artists could pay Spotify money to have their songs show up higher in people's algorithms and show up more frequently.

And I think as soon as that happened, it really screwed with the algorithm just tuning into me and my interest. Right. I also think that they have leaned more on giving you more of the songs you already listened to a lot. Like I think we all had that three or four months this year, where as soon as a playlist was done or an album was done the next song you heard was espresso by Sabrina Carpenter Sure, I couldn't avoid it, right and it felt like the algorithm of two or three years ago was more

Expansive and just gave you more new stuff that you'd never heard before but I felt aligned with their interest. Yeah, I changed Yeah, they're going through the same shit. The radio through with like payola and shit. Exactly. Yeah for sure. But also we love Spotify from all my podcasts. Thank you so much. Yeah we love Spotify too. And Apple especially the podcast app doesn't have any of these problems. Shut up Apple. The iOS has an ally and a friend, a woke, a woke God. We love the iOS updates. We love the iOS updates. We love them. I still have a podcast. I mean, I remember when this happened to Facebook, it feels like every, every

piece of technology that is designed around helping you find information or a thing that is going to be entertaining to you goes through this process where algorithm is designed to find a thing. Like, and it gets, it gets really good at helping you find the thing that you want. And then they're like, okay, and now we're making money. Like now we have these massive numbers and now we slowly make the product worse and worse and worse. And I still remember like Facebook was a good place for people to find things.

I had my phone number and my address on Facebook. It was so great. Yeah. And then they were like, okay, now we, like I remember, you know, on the other side, as like somebody who was making content at that time, like our, you know, content was having a ton of success on Facebook. And then slowly they were like, okay, you can pay us to be positioned better.

And then eventually it was, you will not show up unless you pay us. And at that point, it's just only the most gullible and not aware of like what is actually happening to them, AKA, you know, boomersers are still going to use that product at that point. Can I tell you, this brings up what is one of my favorite essays that has explained the way the internet

and apps have treated us for the last 15 years. You've probably read it before. This writer and thinker called Cory Doctorow, he has a theory called insidification. Yeah. And he wrote this whole essay about the insidification of everything. Y'all have heard it before, but basically he argues that first, these new apps, these new vendors, these new players, they do whatever it takes to attract users

and be good to users. Then they do whatever it takes to attract business customers, which means that users matter less and then they Make their business model just serve the shareholders and maximizing profit, right? And so without fail an app that was really good to users Within three to five years. It's only good for shareholders and this happens with whatever the app is Yeah And this happens with whatever the app is. Yeah. And it's currently the app that is gaining steam because it's not doing the in-shadification, aka rot economy.

We've called it before on this show. Shout out to what's that dude's name? Ed Zitron. Shout out to Ed Zitron. Who calls it the rot economy. But it feels like TikTok is the one place that isn't actively making its product worse. Oh, just wait. Just wait. Once they find out how to monetize it. Yeah. The fact that they're trying to figure out like, what's the next money making thing? Is it AI,

like AI that writes shitty news articles for you? Or, you know, it's just like, no, just have the thing that is going to be good once TikTok starts being shit, because that's an inevitability. It's an, because they're trying, because like tick tock is really trying with that tick tock shop. But I think people really figured out quite quickly that the stuff on the tick tock shop is like worse than Timo. It's bad stuff. You don't want that.

You don't want that. Turns your neck green, even if it's not a piece of jewelry that goes around your neck somehow. Somehow. Sorry, I like geek out on the incitification shit. No, no, no. It explains everything. It explains all that. Oh, yeah, 100%.

Because most people just do the thing where they're like, this used to be good. It used to be good. Yeah. But we're just so. It's called shareholder value. Shareholder value. And it's ruining everything. Literally.

When Mark Zuckerberg walked into shareholder meetings and flip flops, he was like, I'm the CEO, bitch. And then he's eventually like, we need to capture shareholder value. So, yeah. Yeah. Right now what shareholders are ruining and what VC is ruining. There's tons of coverage around this VC and venture capital. They're buying up veterinary care.

So a lot of vets that were private are now owned by these VCs. And you'll notice all the rates are going up. Yeah. All the rates. Private equity is the devil. Oh, private equity. You're right. Not be the devil. Corey doctor out. He's got a really good sub stack posts on just private equity too. That's just how everything it's like everything died because of this red Yeah, like it's perverse incentives because their goal is not to make a good company is to make anything that I can sell for parts

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in the Gulf of Mexico, just chilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Fucking terrifying storm Hurricane Milton. It's intensifying at a rate that, I don't know, this clip you found, Miles, kind of blew my mind. Yeah. I mean, I think you saw things like it started as a tropical storm and then became a category four just over the weekend.

People are like, that's a progression that is pretty wild. Like you said, hearing meteorologists and atmospheric scientists talk about it, I'm like, like hearing meteorologists and atmospheric scientists talk about I'm like, I'm a podcaster. What does this all mean? I know, I'm but a simple podcaster. So like, Helene brought like a four day between four and eight feet of a storm surge, which is to cause terrible damage. Milton is expected to bring between 10 and 15 feet of like water, like

we're trying to wall of water yes a wall of water storm surge that has been described by the mayor of Tampa as unsurvivable they're saying if you do not leave write your name on your body so people can identify listen if you got Tampa people saying it's unsurvivable believe believe them. Yeah, 100%. And so the thing that really freaked me out, or not freaked, I mean, yes, freaked me out, or I understood just the severity of it,

is this clip of this meteorologist named John Morales, who's based in Florida. He's merely just watching the storm sort of evolve, and he is absolutely, his breath is taken by this. And I'll just play this for you. Because I think it's like one of those scenes in a movie where you hear like a scientist like sort of like, just like clutch their shirt or something in horror. That's kind of what this feels like. So this is john Morales sort of talking about just how powerful it's

becoming and how quickly it's becoming powerful. It's just an incredible, incredible, incredible hurricane. It has dropped 50 millibars in 10 hours. I apologize. This is just gaining strength in the Gulf of Mexico where you can imagine the winds, I mean the seas are just so incredibly, incredibly hot, record hot as you might imagine. You know what's's driving that I don't need to tell you global warming. Cut it off. Cut it. What is this guy talking about? I didn't know that we were gonna I was just watching the weather channel. Come on man. Why do you think? Well here's the thing is obviously the lower the pressure the higher the intensity right so when it's dropping that quickly it's intensifying at a rate that's why he was just like, he just couldn't believe what he was seeing. And you understand that's why you're going to get

these like storm surges that are catastrophic. So while this is happening, now that's someone who's trying to communicate the severity of this storm that people need to get like to evacuate if possible and do whatever they can to stay safe. You got Ron DeSantis over here, the governor of Florida, just like now evoking like the specter of people of color looting. Right. This is not going

to be an opportunity for folks to take advantage of people. If you think you're going to go in and loot, you got another thing coming. You go into somebody's house after the storm passes, think that you're gonna be able to commit crimes, you're gonna get in really serious trouble, and quite frankly, you don't know what's behind that door in a Second Amendment state. So do not try to take advantage of people who are suffering because of the results of this storm. Yeah, so that's what he's most concerned about.

100%. What about people who like, what about critical medical infrastructure? If the power goes out, what have those people and you're doing this thing? It's like, yeah, dirty, hairy shit. What about, what about Ron DeSantis fighting the disinformation coming from Donald Trump, the head of his party. What about that? Yeah. What about him? Actively avoiding phone calls from Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, because he doesn't want their help because he doesn't like he's trying to politicize

moving like we're fine over here. I'm meatball Rob. And also like, aren't all States, second amendment States, like if we're talking about the whatever, that's just, that's just the ability to shoot anyone who like accidentally steps on your property to with Florida. But yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah. The second amendment does exist in all states. He is just so wild because like to get to that messaging that he so

desperately wanted to get to, he has to set up a scenario where everybody's sticking around, which is the whole fucking point he's trying to like, so desperately wanted to get to, he has to set up a scenario where everybody's sticking around, which is the whole fucking point he's trying to, like he's supposed to be getting, he's like, get out, get out. And he's like, and you know, if you're sticking around, uh, those homeowners, uh, might be super tough and cool and sticking around. So like he's, he's doing the opposite of sending the message that he's supposed to be sending, which, doing the opposite of sending the message that he's supposed to be sending.

Yeah. Which just one of like 3000 frustrating things about that. But, uh, yeah, I don't know. It's horrible. And raging. Yeah. I've been obsessed with all of the misinformation that's been. Circling around recovery.

Right. You know, there's some theories that were just coming from the internet. There's some theories that were coming from like Marjorie Taylor Greene, but like, Donald Trump has had his fingers and all of this just spreading lies. Yeah, they there's a long list that I compiled, I don't even want to go through it all. But it's just like, ridiculous. He is crying that FEMA and the federal government were quote, going out of their way to not help people in red states.

Right. He claimed that Kamala spent all the FEMA money on housing illegal immigrants. Yeah. He said there were no helicopters or rescue in North Carolina. Like it's just nonsensical and so unhelpful at a moment when the number one priority should be, how do we get money aid and relief to whoever the fuck needs it? And that's what FEMA is trying to do. Not a perfect organization, but they're trying. Yeah, and exactly. And also, like, you know, the budgets aren't dictated by Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. That's from Congress. Exactly.

And that's part of the DHS. There's a lot of stuff that, again, because the structure of the government is not really something most people are paying attention to, that it's easy to go, oh, immigrants, they get all the money. So there's no there's no disaster relief money. Like, no, that's not what is happening. Yeah. Go ahead. And the politicization of what is usually and customarily something both sides of the aisle get along on, that's been so strange. I remember when I was a kid, it didn't matter if the governor of your state was a Republican or a Democrat. If there was a natural disaster, you made an emergency declaration, you asked for that FEMA money, and you got it.

And the president called the governor and they talked and the party didn't matter because you wanted to get money and aid to people. Right. And the fact that you got Ron DeSantis and Trump and others politicizing what should actually be the moment of the most bipartisan collaboration. Yeah, it is disgusting. Yeah, it's all and it's, it's costing lives. Right. More people will die because of this bullshit. 100%. And like Marjorie Taylor Green, she was like, oh, you don't believe me? Look at all these patents the US government has filed. And if you like bother to click one, you're like, this one says about like dropping water from balloons to make it to simulate rain or just things have nothing to do with actually controlling the weather. Because as you were saying earlier, she said, they, whoever they are, and I know, you know, if you look at her history of talking about people controlling the

weather, she means doing shit. That's what she means. Usually anti-semitic nonsense. And so the other thing too, is then you have like people like, you know, sexual predator and CPAC chairman Matt Schlapp, who's like wondering out loud tweeting stuff like, quote, we will see what happens with this most terrifying of hurricanes in the Gulf. At some point we have to ask ourselves if there's a divine attempt to get our attention and stop all of the insanity in our modern existence.

And I'm like, I guess if the insanity of our modern existence is the continued burning of fossil fuels that hastens the death of this planet. Yeah, then this is definitely one of those Jesus warnings. Um, this is just a sad, you know, regressive attempt to connect this shit to like trans rights or something, then please fuck right off. Like we've retired in this nonsense, like trying to be like, you know, you know why it's cause God hates, you know who that's like, who's happening to us now.

And then here's the most annoying part of all of it. After the dust settles with this and the rain dries up, the same Republican political leaders who were spreading lies about FEMA and recovery will make campaign ads talking about how they got federally funded to their districts. Yeah. It is some bullshit. Yeah. And it's always funny too, cause I remember Lauren Boebert was like saying,

like, you know, I, the state didn't give Colorado anything. It's like, you voted against these bills. And then you said, then you touted the benefits of it. She's like, well, you know, you have to understand. But again, for that base, it doesn't matter. It's just, it's all, it's, it's, it's all, it's all just part of the narrative that they need to invest in. And yeah, and here we are.

Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Yeah. I do feel like we, you still hear stories about people just working together at a local, like human to human level, like regardless of what their political affiliation is, you know, people are still helping each other out when a major disaster like this happens, that the leadership has gotten so polarized that they can't work together.

Well, it's like, you'll see these stories, especially in like Louisiana and that part of the country, it'll be like, it'll be these grizzly ass, middle-aged white dudes who look like full Trumpers. They would scare me if I saw them at night on the street, but then a storm comes and they just get in their boats and start saving people. Yeah. And it's just this beautiful harmony.

Like you will see the most coming together of American people after, after a disaster like this, black folks, white folks, rich folks, poor people. And the fact that DeSantis and Trump and Marjorie are trying to shit on that right now. Oof! Yeah. It pisses me off. It's just the, I guess, you know, especially looking at this election, that's just the playbook is just to turn up the rhetoric to the most disgusting levels and then just hoping it's like, well, maybe we can turn out the people who really respond to this really vile stuff. Because like we're not winning people in the middle.

So we might as well just go further to the right and see who we can turn out the people who really respond to this really vile stuff. Cause like we're not winning people in the middle. So we might as well just go further to the right and see who we can turn out mathematically there. And it seems like a true extension of what Vance and Trump were doing in Springfield, Ohio, just a few weeks ago, spreading lies about migrants, eating cats and dogs, they knew it wasn't true, but they lied and then basically said they were lying and kept doing it. Like even if these officials are called out about the lies about hurricane

stuff, they won't retract the statement. They won't apologize. I'll just say, all right, whatever. Yeah, exactly. It was like, well, I guess maybe it wasn't one of those warnings from God. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. your podcast. And we're back. You might have seen a headline, maybe two that mentioned the idea of October surprise. Hell we've covered it on this podcast. We're not, we're not innocent. Our hands aren't clean.

It's a perfect story because it's like being scared of the dark. It's like we don't know what it is. So our imagination can concoct all these things that could totally flip the election on its head. But it does seem to have turned a corner to the point where the media is just using this story to get clicks, get attention, create a heightened sense of anxiety without there being really anything there. So I'm just going to read a couple of headlines for you.

The first is from the BBC, notable tabloid, the BBC wrote the headline, Trump and Harris are deadlocked. Could an October surprise change the game? Could it? The potential October surprise looms a month before election day. The potential October surprise looms a month before. Like that's not even a sentence. That's from the state press, statepress.com.

Could us court strength be the October surprise looms a month before, like that's not even a sentence. That's from the state press, statepress.com. Could US port strength be the October surprise that trips up Kamala Harris? Is Melania Trump her husband's October surprise? That's courtesy of Northeastern. And then this is my favorite because I actually clicked through, read this article. How an October surprise could impact the 2024 election, comma, according to polling Nostradamus. Uh, so I was like, okay, I think I know who they're talking about. It's the guy who has his like 13 keys of the election.

He's been everywhere. He's been everywhere. Hungry. They're even doing that as a horse race. They're like, Ooh, she's got 10 of the 13 keys. Ooh, maybe she has nine of 13 and Trump has five. Like, okay. So it is such a pick me energy. Look over here, click over here, maybe pick me.

Yeah. So first of all, it's interesting they call him the polling Nostradamus because his model does not take polls into account at all. In fact, it like explicitly doesn't. The point is that he's only looking at big picture stuff, not polling and is still able to do this. Also, he's been able to pick the right election every time since 1980, except for Al Gore.

And he's like, yeah, but Al Gore won the popular vote. And then people are like, okay, so then what about Trump? Cause he picked Trump in 2016 and he didn't block the popular vote. Yeah. And he's like, and then he throws a smoke bomb on the ground and dives through a window. But the, so the way the headline is constructed, how an October surprise could impact the 2024 election.

You would seem to think that there's an answer in the article. No, it is like, here's how good it. Yeah. The answer in fact is it won't, it won't impact. They literally ask him and in the first paragraph, he's like, yeah, I've never once changed my prediction based on an October surprise. I think October surprises are bullshit. All the stories that have happened in October,

not necessarily as impactful, it's just a thing that the media is on heightened alert. When you are super amped up, the memories that form at that moment seem more significant. Yeah. Feels like kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Can I tell you as a legacy or as an alumni of a legacy newsroom,

can I tell you what I think an October surprise is? Yes. It is a message to everyone in your newsroom that you got a month left to get as many clicks as possible for your election coverage because after election day it falls off a cliff. This is a message to the industry, not a message to voters. And it's very, all these October surprise headlines you listed, it very much feels like crying wolf when there's no wolf. Look over here, I think I hear something. Oh, I don't hear anything. It's just such BS.

And I think the last time that we thought we had a real, real, real live October surprise was probably that Trump Access Hollywood tape. And you know what it didn't do? It didn't cost that the election. Yeah, it didn't cost them the election at all So no, I'm so over the October surprise discourse and it's just like the last grasp and I still love legacy media I've listened to it. I like it, but it's the last grasp Of legacy media pretending as if they can control a media narrative around politics, right? It is the idea is this grasp for control even if it were in a media narrative around politics. Right. It is the idea. It's this grasp for control. Even if it were in charge of covering the surprise.

Yeah. Yeah. Even if it was real at one point, it would no longer be real, right? Exactly. The legacy media doesn't have the ability to. And it's not for lack of trying. I do just want to- We try, yeah.

Yeah. The New York Times did have this opinion piece yesterday. This year's October surprise may be that there isn't one. So the October surprise in this case is the fact that the real October surprise was the friends we made. My thing with these October surprise, is it a story? Isn't it? It's a story. If you can write a whole story that changes not one iota of any reader's worldview or perspective or knowledge, the article shouldn't be written. If you have a whole article of a thousand words of maybe we'll see, you didn't need to write it.

I don't know. It pisses me off. That would be so dope. If like the New York Times, like any media outlet only published when they had something that was actually new and you were like, holy shit, you guys, the New York Times just dropped a story. They haven't dropped one in eight days and we're only a week out from the election. This must be important. Yeah. and we're only a week out from the election. This must be important. Yeah. I want legacy newsrooms to drop headlines and articles the way Beyonce drops albums.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Only when it's ready, only when it's good, usually by surprise. Right. At a time that is connected to when the story is ready. Yeah. There you go. Not when they think it's optimal for viewing. Right. Not like how Taylor Swift has

new albums that are special editions and all the time, like, was this new? It's like, oh, well, it's on a different kind of vinyl, I guess. Let me tell you one thing I'll never do on a microphone ever again is say anything not even nice about Taylor Swift. Oh, yeah. We've already burned those bridges. We do analyze something, but look, it's all love. I'm just saying get your money, you know, get your money.

Yeah. But I see you. Famous to your point, Sam, the most famous recent examples of October surprises were Bush's DUI and Trump's access Hollywood tape. I had forgotten about Bush's DUI. Yeah, but they both won. And people considered the Comey letter also, like some kind of a, yeah. I guess the Comey letter is the one that still seems to like hold weight as well.

This might have hurt. And I do think it probably cuts in the direction of like people didn't trust Hillary Clinton and so it undermined in the same way. And I also think like the access Hollywood tape probably didn't help him. I think he probably won. No, I think, I think, yeah, even if both of those things didn't exist, I think that election probably

was going to end the same way. But again, I think that's all because in that, when we do post mortems on election, it's always like, well, we have to describe all this importance to these things, to make it seem like logical, like how we got here. Two October surprises that are pretty wild. And so the first was Nixon kind of going behind the scenes with and trying to hold off the

negotiation of peace in the Vietnam War until he was elected and being like, I actually have a better plan. It will be more favorable to you. Then he gets elected, psych two and a half more years of war, more than that, more years of war. And then there's also where we actually got the idea of an October surprise. So it was invented by the Republicans. I know that's going to be hard for people to believe because it is

an annoying amoral scheme and that doesn't cohere with what we think of the Republicans. But basically, it was coined by Ronald Reagan ally, William Casey, who later became the director of the CIA. But at this time he was working to try and get Ronald Reagan elected in 1980. And he was warning Republicans that President Jimmy Carter was preparing an October surprise, which was the release of the American hostages in Iran because they had yet to be rescued by Ben Affleck. Yeah. And so in the very Harvard. And so, in the very first place, October surprise was just a threat being used by the Republicans to scare themselves.

So that is its proud tradition, is it is a threat of something that doesn't ultimately come to pass. And that threat led them to secretly negotiate the delay of the release of the hostages until after Reagan had been elected. And there were some congressional investigations into that. And they were like, the congressional investigations were like, actually, we found out this didn't

happen. And then last year, former protege of former Texas Governor John Con Connolly admitted, uh, his name is Ben Barnes, he admitted to the New York times that he was involved in those secret negotiations and that they reported them back to Casey. So it did happen according to this source who was involved in it. And that is, that is like the October surprise that like does actually seem like it would cause changes. Yeah.

But to me right now, it feels like every day there are three Trump stories. Like we talked yesterday about Trump talking about the genes of people coming into this country, like them having like murder genes, like race science. I didn't see that. Wait, where'd he say that? Which bro podcast? into this country, like them having like murder genes, like race science. I didn't see that. Wait, where do you say that? Which bro podcast? His, his ultimate conservative bro, Hugh Hewitt. He was on Hugh Hewitt's podcast.

Yeah. Donald Trump go on a podcast hosted by a woman challenge. He can't do it. Did you see that clip? October's how Laura Ingram fact-checked him though, the other day? Oh. She was fact-checking him in real time. We love it.

When he was like, when he was talking about, you know, different, again, like, Helene misinformation, she was like, you know, I think he should be here. I'll just play this clip, because it is really interesting just to see how he is getting fact-checked by Laura Ingraham, all people but here it is yet. They're offering people $750 for immediate news or the worst. Yeah, but for the worst hurricane that anybody's seen But she shouldn't be there. Anyway, she should be I would say that North Carolina is bad

It's so bad and she was there today for three hours, I believe, Kamala Harris. Oh, Laura said, not on my watch. Yeah, just somehow was like, I'm done with you, bro. I'm done with you. She was there three hours, asshole, anyway. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, that would be like in it with another presidential candidate. That would be news.

Him just going full eugenics would be news. Him saying that when he gets into office, he would like to develop Gaza into like an island resort, a beachfront resort would be news. There's also, you know, Bob Woodward has a book coming out that talks about how Trump during his administration sent Vladimir Putin, like his private stash of COVID tests at a time when like the nation was in short supply. Yeah. Like straight up private stash.

Like, here you go, buddy. And Putin had to be like, okay, thank you, but do not tell anybody about this. They're going to, they're going to know something's going on. Oh my God. Yeah. So all these things, we talked about these on Trending yesterday, but I just wanna like-

Who got you this? Yeah. I wanna give these examples as like things that, every day there's like four things that could be an October surprise. So I just, I think it's interesting to keep in mind, the context, whenever somebody says October surprise, the context they're using is a story about Kamala Harris

that is going to torpedo her because we, there is no conceivable story that would damage Dr. Trump at this point. Because we get three, four of them every day. Like he doesn't give a fuck. He's throwing, he's just shedding these stories. Well, and this is what's so crazy and frustrating to see. I mentioned earlier, Kamala's really good and impressive interview on

Alex Cooper's Call Her Daddy, where they went deep on women's rights and sexual assault, and it was a deep and introspective conversation that you would not have seen Kamala have in a legacy newsroom. It was beautiful to behold. And a surprise to me as someone who's covered politics before and like she is continually getting better as a candidate, better at doing this thing. Trump consistently gets worse every day. He's saying more foolishness and yet the polls remained locked and tied and close, close, close. It baffles me. It baffles me.

Yeah. I think it's just like, I think at this point, it's clear to most people. It's like, yeah, you're when you're looking at this binary between the two candidates, most people are like, yeah, I'm not moving from where I'm at. Yeah. There's no amount of things. And that's the thing with this October surprise, it's like just for people's confirmation bias, you know, and just to be like, well, is this, this could be this.

Look, if everything's an October surprise, then nothing is an October surprise. So yeah, leave it alone. The October surprise is that we as a nation still make it really hard for most people to vote and I'm surprised by that. And so I want to use this moment to say, anyone listening to this podcast right now, who doesn't have a voting plan and isn't registered, it's actually hard to do in America. So work on it now.

You have a month. Yeah. Yeah. You have a month. Yes. I just, I think it's worth like keeping an eye on the fact, not like keeping an eye on like, wait for the October surprise, but just keep like, the media is thirsty for an October surprise, and they can't conceivably come up with one for

Trump. We've seen them come up with not an October surprise, but like the Dean scream was a situation where I was like that the mainstream media was like this guy, not, not really. Right? Like, yeah, you guys like them, but not really. And so I'm not saying they're definitely going to concoct something, but I think they are going to give a good, hard look at anything that they can take the, take heed of, you know, the not so subtle message coming from the head of their newsroom.

Like you said, Sam, that like, this is your warning, get big ass news stories cooked up now. Well, and I mean, especially for the cable news players, we know now we've seen the numbers, Trump is actually good for their bottom lines. Yeah. Right. Trump isn't good for their bottom lines, good for their ratings. And so if you're CNN, if you're MSNBC, if you're any of those players, you actually know in your heart of hearts that him being foolish is good for you.

And so my question and my challenge to my colleagues in these legacy newsrooms is just like, how can you see that reality, know that reality, but still like call out the bullshit and speak truth and understand that like, you need to be looking for the surprises or non surprises, like even after this election cycle, even if Trump goes away. It's just like, I hate to see what the October surprise symbolizes,

which is this real business cycle and money cycle of the way news is covered. And there's more attention paid to journalism in election years. There's more attention paid to journalism and journalists when the candidates are crazier. And it's just like these perverse incentives that I'm really tired of. Anywho. Anywho, Sam Sanders.

Yes. Truly a pleasure having you on the show today. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? Yeah. Well, one, thank you all for indulging me and letting me ramble and soap box and shake my fist like an old man. And, um, two, in terms of socials, I'm on most platforms at Sam Sanders, all one word, S A M S A N D E R S. But I really want to talk about my two podcasts.

One's been around for a few years. The other is new. I'll mention the new one first. It's called the Sam Sanders Show. It's an entertainment and pop culture show about the fun stuff we obsess over in our free time, movies, books, TVs, internet, memes, et cetera, and the people who make it. We've got two episodes out right now. You can hear it on KCW here in Los Angeles. You can find it in podcast feeds and it's also on YouTube. Full video in studio. Two ups up now. One conversation

with Joel Kim Booster, active writer. Another conversation with Sashir Zemeda, one of the witches and stars of Agatha all along. They're fun. The show is fun. It's good big energy. And then my other show that's been around for a while is called Vibe Check. It's a weekly chat around news and culture in the spirit of this show. And I talk with my dear friends, Zach Stafford and Saeed Jones every week and publish those episodes every Wednesday. And we soapbox a lot about politics. And let me tell you what's fun.

Hearing a poet like Saeed Jones Soapbox on politics. It's music of the years. Anywho, those are my shows. Great. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Ooh, this novel is bonkers. It's called rejection It's a fiction work that was long listed for the National Book Award this year It's by Tony Tullatemute. And it's these seven connected short stories all about asshole people facing rejection. The first essay, fiction, is about this guy

who purports to be an ally and supports women and is woke as fuck. But after too many women friendzone him, he becomes an incel. And the essay chronicles the shift. Then the next essay is about a woman who becomes an incel. And then you realize over the course of the book, all these horrible people facing rejection

end up with plot lines that converge and connect. It's wild. I've been covering my mouth reading the whole thing. Read it. It's insane. Rejection. I like it. Damn. Classy media recommendation for classy guests. Oh my God. You guys are too kind. Miles, where can people find you?

Is there a work media you've been enjoying? Yeah. Find me on Twitter and Instagram at milesofgray. If you like the NBA basketball talk, you can find Jack and I on that podcast. Miles and Jack got mad boosties. You can also find me talking about 90 day fiance on 420 day fiance. A tweet I like is, I think I have a tweet.

Yes. Where is it? Again, going off of the conspiracy theories from Marjorie Taylor Greene at Candorade, the great El Wilkisimo on Twitter tweeted, as a lib, the worst part of controlling the hurricanes is you still have to send 95% of them at random Caribbean islands or the Yucatan

or wherever to keep up the ruse that they're natural. Now the tornado machine, you can really go wild on conservatives with that thing. The tornado machine. Oh, go wild on them. That's where you really get to cook. The tornado machine. Oh, go wild on the tornado machine. That's where you really get to cook. All right, tweet I've been enjoying. PJ Evans tweeted, hey guys, I'll be doing some stuff with Mr.

Beast on this channel soon. Don't want to give too much away, but I'll be killing a dentist. Whoa. Also, everything Mr. Beast makes me feel 100 years old. I don't get it. I don't get it. Well, it sounds like that thing's starting to crumble a little bit for him now. I mean, he killed that dentist.

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Hey, Miles, is there a song that you think you might enjoy? I think so. I think we went out on a track before by Remy Wolf, it was Cinderella last time I suggested one. I'm obsessed with her. A little birdie named Novena Carmel, I overheard this today. I heard our very Sam Sanders is also a fan of Remy Wolf. And that's why there's another track called Toro that I really like too. Remy Wolf has a great voice Her style is really dope for like these newer artists. She also if you like Lola Young I've suggested if you a Lola Young's tracks similar same production team. So like they have overlapping collaborators

So that's why I think they kind of they have like that little bit of swag to them So this is Toro by Remy Wolf All right We will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio for more podcasts from iHeartRadio. Visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning, but we are back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we will talk to you all then.

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