The Daily Zeitgeist - Ode To The Snoopy Museum, Hollywood Hearts MAGA? 05.27.25

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

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It's a production of iHeartRadio, woo! It's a podcast where we take a deep dive into American shared consciousness and it is Wednesday, May 28th, 2025. We're still in the portion of the date that is the same forward and backward, I think. So I'm still excited about that over here. The great thing to impress children in elementary school. They think that's pretty cool. My name is Jack O'Brien, aka Shoot Royds in my feetsies. I need some arch support down at gymnastics, down at weightlifting.

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Yeah, Las Vegas, where else? We're going to get to see people sprint and swim and lift weights, but the sprint against swimming will look like it's on like 1.1 speed on a Netflix playback and everyone will be amazed. I loved the idea in theory and now in execution I'm just like, this isn't going to be. I was picturing people jumping out of the pool dolphin style and that is not... Like launching out. Yeah, just like flying out doing...

What are the rules of this? Just like any drugs or any thing? It's got to be prescribed by a doctor who helps people cheat at sports. I think she's like the thing. I am a professional. You have to be a real bad doctor. Yeah. Well, awesome. My only question is does Dr. Moreau count? Because I do want a dolphin man in the pool. I know. It really, we need Dr. Moreau in this shit. Otherwise, it's really going to be disappointing. It's fucking nothing.

Yeah. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined in our second seat today by a hilarious and brilliant producer and TV writer. You know him from the Yo's This Race This Podcast. It's Andrew T! I'm going to be honest. T. I didn't have time for a little fun song, AKA. Come on. I went on the Discord.

I finally got on the Discord. What the fuck? Hold on. I finally got on the Discord. And I was looking at y'all's little AKA suggestion channel, and the first four were about piss, and I just deleted discord from my phone and Something with piss and I went on a ride one time and I was just honest I came out

I was like it was like as a dad, you know bullying. Yeah, I came off Oh, and I my pants were wet, but I was like, I swear I didn't piss myself, but the ride was like scary. So nobody believed me and I blended on water ice that somebody must have like spilled on the ride before I was on there, but nobody believed me. And the nobody believed me has extended to our listeners who now all the AKAs they write are just about me pissing my pants and blame it on water ice. Wow. Really Liam Neeson vibes of you.

I know. Yeah. It was like after I stopped drinking too. Like before, absolutely. I would absolutely piss my pants and blame it on water ice, but years of sobriety and I was still... Does it mean nothing to them? I know, exactly. Does it mean nothing to them? I know, exactly. Well, your secondary bullying has worked because I am also, I'm just fully- They bullied you right off the d- and do you see what you've done, Zeitgang? This is, I was going to say unacceptable, but I guess everyone, you know, have your fun.

Have your little fun. I'm about to get mad at Andrew for calling our AKA discord, our little AKA discord. But you see what I'm getting at. But now, you know, I have no leg to stand on. This is the thing we can't do. We can't give Andrew T the upper hand. No. Yeah. He's gonna, he's the one who told us about the GISH gallop. I, yeah, I'm just full of insane disinformation The site gang has truly taken it was it was I was just like piss no

Just gotta search your name skippity toilet skippity toilet is in there. Yeah, yeah, we're back It was a non-stop toilet toilet of some kind I am going to have to go see that movie like when it comes out too, I've realized. Because I didn't want to see Lilo and Stitch this past weekend, but I went and saw Lilo and Stitch. Seems like everyone did. It made like half a billion dollars this weekend. It was contractually obligated to see it. Yeah, it was wild.

Anyways, Andrew, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by another one of the very faces on Mount Zytemore. We've got a twofer, an Emmy nominated writer, artist, comedian behind many of the most acclaimed podcasts, like, I don't know, the Act cast, Ghost Church, the Bechdel cast, which just had Alison Bechdel herself on as a guest. Yes. What?

Thrilling. Wild. So thrilling. 16th minute of fame, obviously. She's the New York Times bestselling author of Raw Dog, which just dropped its paperback edition. Please welcome back to the show, it's Jamie Loftus.

Hi. AKA, okay, I don't have a singing AKA, because I also forgot. However, I did have the following interaction that involves the Zeit Gang, and perhaps even implicates Zeit Gang. Oh no. In Harrisburg, Pennsylvania last week,

where someone was like coming, I did a book signing there, and they were like, hey, I'm Zyte Gang. I've been Zyte Gang for six, six and a half years or whatever. I was like, that's awesome. That's awesome. And then he was like, and then he was like, why the hell don't Jack and Miles come to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania?

And I was like, I was like, I can't really. And then I think he realized that it sounded really, I hope you throw us under the bus immediately. I hope you were like, they're actually completely different behind the scenes. They're a complete elitists. They would never. They don't leave LA, but no, they, but I was like, oh, I don't know. I'm assuming it's like they've got families and he's like, well, it's pissing me off.

And then he just walked away. Damn. It's pissing him off. I didn't get a name. I really am afraid of conflict. So don't be surprised when we have a one stop tour where we just go to Harrisburg. You're starting to piss him off, okay?

Please don't accost our guests specifically, faces on Mount Zeitmore about things that we've fucked up because we fuck up constantly and we deserve. He bought a book, it's all good. It's all good. Thank you. Thank you everybody. If he hadn't bought a book, I'd be like, he's a menace to society and we need to shut down the network. But no, he bought a book and you're starting to piss him off. I just wanted to pass that along.

All right. As long as it's a message to us and not, him getting mad at you, which it sounds like. I'm just a mere vessel for the message that you have to get your ass down to Harrisburg because it's starting to piss people off. Stab. Yeah. I do want to say, I pulled up DuckDuckGo maps and I'm looking at Harrisburg, Pennsylvania and across the river, there's either a neighborhood or a city called Wormsleyburg, and that is the most delightful borough name I've ever heard.

Andrew, we have to plan a show for Wormsleyburg. Wormsleyburg. Now a two-stop tour. It's clearly the shitty Shelbyville to Harrisburg, and we just really start picking a fight with this one person. I will say, Harrisburg, most beautiful bookstore I'd ever seen in my whole We just really start picking a fight with this one person. Farmer's market there. I will say, Harrisburg, most beautiful bookstore I'd ever seen in my whole life was in Harrisburg.

Midtown scholar. You gotta go, Jack, when you go, so you don't piss this guy off. Please, don't be mad at me. I'm impressed that Harrisburg has a Midtown. It's that big of a city. Oh, bro, it's that big of a city. Oh, bro. It's got an old midtown historical district right next to the Foxridge historic

district. I'm closing this map. How is DuckDuckGo maps, by the way? I have not used it for maps. My ideological attempt to free myself from Google products has put me in a distinctly inferior class of technological services. That's been my experience with DuckDuckGo. It's just slightly slower. The Gmail alternatives are less good for sure. DuckDuckGo. You just have to know where emails are because the search box doesn't always work really well. Yeah.

You're just like, oh yeah, I think that person emailed me. Let me check my filing cabinet. The tiny thing that is a little hardening is that whatever DuckDuckGo AI service they're pushing, DuckDuckGo AI is clearly just a dude frantically fighting. It's a guy. Yeah, it's like early AI when it was just people freaking out. God, the DuckDuckGo, this is the first time I'm hearing of duck, duck, go. It's just a different one of these two browser. I, I will say the logo is pissing me off. It's just like a smile.

He's wearing a little bow tie. I don't know. I just feel kind of condescended to it. It's like, was a smiley. Yeah. Like, what about that? Right. There's only one condescending guy in my browser and they kill and they killed him.

My one condescending browser mascot is dead. Okay. He's dead. Don't remind me. It's sort of like a royalty free. Um, Oh my God. Don't remind me. It's like a royalty-free, oh my God, not Duckman. It's like if Duckman was trying to dodge copyright infringement. Right. Anyway, shout out DuckDuckGo, I guess, over Google.

Relatively speaking. Right. You're like, the competition is not stiff, but sure. What are you going to do? All right, Jamie, we're thrilled to have you back. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of the stories that we may be talking about today. We might do a little international check-in with the Trump administration, just double checking, triple checking at this point that he is still a master negotiator.

We will look at the trends in TV. There's a Wired article about MAGA TV. The MAGA TV era is here and it is ill-advised. You'll be surprised to learn. So we'll talk about all of that plenty more. But first, Jamie Loftus, we'd like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

Uh, this is a recent one. Uh, Snoopy Museum membership benefits. Uh, because I recently became a member of the Snoopy Museum. Congratulations. Thank you. Where's the Snoopy Museum? Well, I'm so glad you asked. Maybe you noticed my hat I'm wearing. Uh, I got it at the Snoopy Museum last I'm so glad you asked. Maybe you noticed my hat I'm wearing.

I got it at the Snoopy Museum last week in Santa Rosa, California. Wow. It was the best. That's the end of the sentence. I finished a leg of my book tour in Petaluma, which happens to be 15 minutes from Santa Rosa, convinced my fiance to drive seven hours to meet me in Santa Rosa so we could get to the Snoopy Museum expeditiously.

It was amazing. I had the best time. I like really ended up spending, I dropped a lot of money at the Snoopy Museum. I was not expecting to. I became a member. I was chatting up the docents. It was just an incredible Friday that I had.

Favorite thing you saw at the Snoopy Museum? This guy named Dave. I knew it. I fucking knew it. There's a lot of amazing stuff. It's also the Charles Schulz Museum, but it's the Snoopy Museum. It's a huge, it's a huge, there's the Charles Schulz Museum and Research Institute. What they're researching there, I didn't quite figure out. But, but that's like the history of the Peanuts comic strip

and the history of Charles Schulz himself. Then in the center is Snoopy's Home Ice, which is a large, gorgeous ice arena that Charles Schultz purchased when it was almost shut down in Santa Rosa, like in the seventies, because he grew up in Minnesota and loved hockey, which is why we so often see Snoopy on what? Zamboni's. So it's all connecting.

And so I got, we got lunch at the, at the little ice cafe. The warm puppy saw the Snoopy Zamboni. And then we went next door. There's a third building and that's all Snoopy. That's where they're making the big bucks. It's over in the Snoopy. The Snoopy gallery is a gigantic gift store full of Snoopys. So I just had the time of my life.

I became a member. I talked to this guy, Dave. Okay. This guy, Dave, this is going to take 40 minutes. Just so you know, we don't have anything else to talk about. This guy, Dave, he was the first guy we spoke to. Sorry. Wait, what was your question?

Super short question, just cause you're an expert, Jamie. Yeah. Do you think you could train a beagle to drive a Zamboni? I've seen it happen. I've seen it happen. It was a cartoon, but it surely is based on something. I love this so much.

I love it. Snoopy is the only cartoon. The reason I wasn't particularly like a peanuts kid, but Snoopy is the only character that has licensed with Zamboni ever. And so I happened to have a bunch of Snoopy stuff because I have a bunch of Zamboni stuff. And then it just, over time, the algorithm got to me, I guess. But this guy, Dave, at the front, he was a volunteer docent.

He's a longtime Santa Rosa resident. I was talking to him about Kathy, because Charles Schultz was a mentor of Kathy Geiss-White, so we were chatting about Kathy and he wasultz was a mentor of Kathy Geiswhite. So we were chatting about Kathy and he was like, oh, here's where the Kathy stuff is. Cause they had some letters. It was really cool. But then the twist with Dave, I was like, how did you get involved at the museum? And he was like, well, I was one of the children in the Christmas time is here chorus in. Yeah. When the special, he was like, I was 11. They gave in the Christmas time is here chorus. What? Yeah, when the special, he was like, I was 11, they gave us $5 in an ice cream cone.

And like everyone in Santa Rosa has a beautiful memory with Charles Schultz. It's really, really nice. And you called after and reported their asses for only paying them five bucks, right? We got to exhume him. we got to yell at him. Uh, it was, it was so awesome. Anyways, I became a member and I was like, what are even them? And there's actually pretty cool benefits. That's wild.

Yeah. You weren't even like, it's, it just kind of came through your Zamboni obsession. It was like a Zamboni obsession. Also, I think the algorithm, I think a lot of people have had this experience. Really fucking love Snoopy. I've just been, I've been noticing a Snoopy resurgence of late. The algorithm loves Snoopy because I was getting, I was getting a ton to the point where like around two years ago, I was like, I guess I love Snoopy.

It wasn't really like my childhood. My mom was really confused that I'd become a member of the Snoopy Museum. I was like, you know, it's whatever they're doing. It's the one good thing the algorithm has done for me is brought me to Santa Rosa, to the Snoopy Museum. Yeah, had the time of my life, feel forever changed. I'm getting a t-shirt in the mail.

I also have eight guest passes. So if you guys want to go. Wow. Yeah. Does it refresh annually or? Yes, it does. It's just once total. So if you guys want to go on a road trip to Santa Rosa,

I can bring everyone. I think you should save one slot for a ZEIT gang competition show for one ticket. Yeah, oh yeah. To the Snoopy Museum? When I say you, I mean everyone listening is welcome to my Snoopy Museum. I would never go to Santa Rosa, by the way. It's the Harrisburg of California.

It's shit. Oh my God. Wow. I, of course, would only go to- Your mic is on. Sorry, Justin, of course you cut this, right? Your mic is on. Yeah, yeah, Justin, of course you cut this, right? Your mic is on.

Yeah, yeah, Justin, we don't leave any of me being elitist in the podcast. Justin knows. Good chap, Justin. I would only go to the Pigpen Museum. Pigpen is by far my favorite character. He's your guy? He's my guy. We all have a guy.

I took Mushrooms in the Woods a couple of weeks ago, and the only thing that I remember coming out of it was someone should do a swamp thing meets the peanuts crossover where swamp thing decides that he and pig pen are the elementals of the earth. Yeah, that sounds like you should be doing you should be working at the Charles M. Schultz Museum and Research Center. You got mushrooms and You got it. Taking mushrooms and pitching ideas. I feel like this is the type of research we need people doing there.

What it actually is, is the one time Jamie and I worked together, that's about 15 seconds worth of OK material for a Roast Chicken. For Roast Chicken, I was going to say you're cooking out there. The show with mushrooms in the woods energy. Wait, the last thing about the Stoopi Beats. I was in the crafts room and there was another docent named Mona and she's like looking at me funky.

I was like, okay, I get it. I don't have a child with me. So what? But no, then she came over and she was like, I was at your book signing last night. What? Oh. I was like, so shout out, Moan. The whole staff of the Snoopy Museum,

they know what's going on, they're cool. Oh yeah, that's why they're cool. Can't imagine like a better group of, like you can just assume that those are all great people. Yeah, can confirm, it was just the best. I might seriously buy this paperback peanuts t-shirt that they have in their work Store is it so much. It's really cute Do you now that you're Snoopy pill do you?

Like consume Snoopy stuff or is it just kind of the the vibe like are you reading peanuts strips? I read some peanut strips during During when I was working on a cast a while ago peanuts strips? I read some peanut strips during, when I was working on Act Cast a while ago. I mean, now peanut strips are just served to me on Instagram every single day. And so I do kind of read a lot of peanuts and so many of them are actually funny. I think what people, I think people like loop it in

with like, you know, more sort of dry, prescriptive comic strips. But he was cooking. He was really saying some shit. I love how they just openly hate on Charlie Brown in a way that they're so mean to him in a way that is just wonderful for children. The first strip ever was like Charlie Brown were walking past two girls minding his business

and then they're just like, I hate him. Go fuck yourself Charlie Brown. I hate him. It's great. Oh man. Listen, there's obviously no use for AI, but if there ever was one, it would be generate me a peanuts comic strip

where they can say fuck. And that would be the only difference. Just a subtle difference. Let's get our greatest artists on it. Let's, let's. Yes, chat GPT. I'm sorry, you're right. The greatest artists of our generation.

My favorite artist. I mean, you know, I'm a little ahead of the time, but yeah, that's my favorite artist. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll do overrated and underrated. We might even talk about some news. We'll be right back. Amy Robach and TJ Holmes here.

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Justin, keep that. Keep that. Why is that so funny? Justin keep that. Keep that. Jack, if you ever drank a milkshake on air, I feel like I would, I don't know, it would lose my mind. I love milkshakes so much. Do you guys like milkshakes?

Oh yeah. Yeah. I have, I like keep them biannual. Do you do? I like the- Oh yeah. I don't eat them much because they fuck up my digestive system so badly. I love the ones at Bob's.

Like the- Yeah. Bob's Big Boy milkshake, real good. Yeah. I've never had one of those. I am, I mean, obviously McDonald's complicit in war crimes, but I do love a Shamrock shake. I guess I could get a mid-shake somewhere else. Yeah.

You can't, yeah. Impossible. Just add a stick of gum to three scoops of ice cream. I guess I could get a milkshake somewhere else. Yeah. You can't. Yeah. Impossible. Just add a stick of gum to three scoops of ice cream. Just three squeezes of crested toothpaste into a vanilla milkshake. How hard could it be? I don't know. It's even colored like toothpaste.

Jamie, what is something you think is underrated? I was going to say the Snoopy Museum, but I've already talked about it. Okay. So no, I was going to the Snoopy Museum, but I've already talked about, okay, so no, I was gonna say children's- Not enough, frankly. I've got more to, there was a third dosage. There was. In general, children's show hosts,

I feel like are underrated. Not among parents of young children, but I just have been thinking about children's show hosts more recently, a lot because of young children, but I just have been thinking about a children's show host more recently, a lot because of Miss Rachel, who is just really doing the good work in a way that it seems like absolutely nobody else is kind of in that space right now. I can't imagine how challenging,

I know that her home got swatted, it just sounds like it's been terrifying. Wait, really? Oh no. Yeah, but the way that she's been advocating for Palestinian kids is just like really amazing. And again, it just doesn't seem like other people in that space have been speaking up, certainly not to the same degree.

And so I've just been thinking a lot about how, you know, and how that feels. So Mr. Rogers. I know. Yeah. Like that, that is the other person who really comes to mind where it's like someone that was willing to, you know, put their career on the line in order to walk the walk. So I was just thinking about her and then unrelated and a far more low stakes endeavor. My niece recently got a cameo from the current host of

Blue's Clues and it like changed her life. And it actually it freaked me out too because I got this video from my cousin that was like this Blue's Clues host that we've seen a million times. Josh, shout out to Josh Delacruz. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, you must know Josh. I don't. I think I read an article. I don't know it in the way that you would expect a person with kids to know it, but I read an article when they made

the switch between the blues. Right. Oh. Yeah. I know about Josh in a way that makes no sense as a childless adult. But yeah, he does like cameos for like 75 bucks for kids where he literally just talks to your niece or nephew or child like they're playing Blue's Clues. And it was the cutest thing in the world.

She freaked out when he said her senpai noticed her and she freaked out. Wow. So underrated, just, you know, children's media people working overtime. Yeah. Wait, Jack, can I ask a parenting question? Sure. How do you decide which of the medias the kid gets to see as far as like, like not lose clues, but something else? Or is it just the kid leads it? It's like research, just talking to other parents who have kids who seem like they're,

I don't know, they're not tweaking. They're not itching to get on the iPad. Then just also it's just trial and then seeing how they respond to the thing. They're just certain shows that my kids responded to, like it was junk food, you know? Where it's just like, God, I need another hit of that immediately. And then when you turn it off, they're mad at you and screaming. And then there's other ones where it's just like,

oh, they seem like really, like they took a good lesson to heart. And I think like Bluey is the best example where it just feels. The best show. It's just so good. Yeah. So good. Yeah. My nephew was watching some, this like Frog and Toad show. Oh yeah, the Apple TV one.

That's like, it's on Apple and it just, apparently the philosophy, this is amazing to me, but I'm sure no parent is surprised by this. It's like, it's supposed to be like, slow, bring your energy down. Yeah. And it's literally just like, it's like, they'll just, they like talk like the fucking, like that Stephen Colbert old fashioned guy,

like sketch where they just say something, long beat and then respond, long beat. And it's so, if they it's so slow it's so amazing yeah it rules which is how I always imagined the like when you read those books it just seems like they're really giving each other like some room to breathe you know so that's great yeah yeah it's truly delightful guess we'll go outside today. Anyway, we're starting to do podcasts. There's a good podcast, Grim, Grimmer, Grimmest, that retells the Grim's brother, the brother's Grim fairy tales.

That rocks. I don't know. From a modern audience, but my kids are obsessed with it. I think that's a good point. It's energetically cooling, you know, as opposed to like cranking it up and I like in the critiques I've seen from, you know, the sorts of people who used to be consulted for making that like still work for Sesame street, but like the, until they, uh, did some union busting, I guess.

Uh, but like people with educational backgrounds who are experts on like, you know, how to make content for children that isn't going to be bad for them. The thing that they talk about with a lot of the shit on YouTube is just that it's like over stimulation. It's like the thing that the kid will want and it's also just so bad for them. But it's the Wild West out there. Yeah. They're going to be fine. It's fine.

They're going to have a stable world. It's going to be fine. Yeah. That's what we're going to blame it on YouTube videos. I blame Ms. Rachel actually. If the children turn out fucked, they'll just blame Miss Rachel. This poor lady can't catch a break. My God.

Jesus. What is something you think is overrated? Engagement rings that cost over $150. Okay. Oh, yeah. Because I lost mine. Oh, no. Look. So, but. By the way, have you been on since you got engaged?

Maybe not. Congratulations. Congratulations. Thank you. Yeah, this was actually, and I promised to not bring up the Snoopy Museum after this. That was kind of the way we wanted to celebrate was that, but we got engaged shortly before the fires. So it was postponed significantly.

But the Snoopy Museum was the big celebration and boy, did it deliver. But yeah, no, I knew I was going to lose my engagement ring. I cannot have something nice with me all the time. I just can't do it. I was feeling a lot of dread about it. I love the replacement that comes here today. I really like the ring. It's a little eyeball with a blue stone in the middle. is a little eyeball with a blue stone in the middle. It looked great, it was really pretty. And then I of course did lose it, like about a month ago. And I was in the trenches, I was really,

I was like going retracing my steps. I was hoping he wasn't gonna notice, I didn't want him to be sad or like, so I was just like running around Burbank, weeping on whoever would listen, looking for this ring. And then I like two days later, he was like, Oh, where, where is it? And I was like, look, I think it fell off at the AMC Burbank, but we went to see Pride

Prejudice. I don't know where it went. And, and he was like, Oh, well, it only costs like $150. So it's fine. And I was like, yes, like I can replace it. And because he was like, it's the ring you wanted. And I assumed you would lose it. It's like, it's so true.

It was the ring I wanted and I did lose it. And so now I'm just getting another. And so it's like, I think ultimately, we'll end up spending the amount of your average engagement ring on this ring over and over. Over and over. There you go. Within 30 years. Yes, exactly.

Would it make sense to just bulk buy like 30 of them now? I want to see how long this one's gonna last. I'm gonna get this one fit. That's key. Turns out you guy has to fit you or it'll fall off at the AMC Burbank. I just, I don't know. I was so relieved because I was just terrified that he had like invested. Like, you know, I just was, yeah, I was really scared.

And then I realized through losing it that he actually knows me quite well. And I could not be trusted with an expensive piece of jewelry because I've never had one, because I shouldn't have one. And then it turned out I didn't have one. It was great. A true testament to a fiance who knows their partner.

Congratulations to a fiance. Hopefully he won't be upset for telling anyone, but I was- On blast. You've been put on blast. Grant on blast. But it was, yeah, I've never been more relieved because- Instead of putting it on your finger, you walk around bobbling it from place to place, right?

Yeah. Like, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. How do you do it? Because I'm so fidgety where I'm taking it off, putting it on, putting it on, putting it on. Putting it on, taking it off. Okay. Yeah. And so right now I've got a decoy one. Now I have a decoy one.

You have a decoy one to get yourself used to having it on? Oh, yeah. Or you have a decoy one to fake out your fiance? I, well, technically this was, the decoy one was to just go on tour so that I was wearing a ring and I didn't want anyone to be like, what, you know, I don't know. When people are overly familiar with it, they're like, what happened?

Like. Could you? Trouble in paradise? Yes, first question of the reading. Trouble in paradise, Jamie? Could you get like a plastic training ring to get yourself used to wearing a ring? I see a lot of men wear plastic wedding or engagement bands because they don't want to

end up like Jimmy Fallon, you know? Oh, sure. Defluffing yourself. Jamie Loftus, the two Jimmies, Jamie Loftus or Jimmy Fallon who one time got drunk and, or I don't know if it's officially part of the situation, but I think it had to do with him. Uh, but he almost lost his finger because he fell and his wedding ring got caught on like the corner of something and it like almost ripped his dang finger off. Ah, yeah.

Yeah, no, I was just at Pride and Prejudice. Just at Pride and Prejudice, just flipping your ring like a fling. I literally raised my hand to wipe my eyes and you're like, oh, fuck, where is it? Just flew to the back of the computer. Wiped so hard the ring, yeah, just, yeah. Fwing.

No idea what happened, but shout out to the, I think, assistant manager of the AMC Burbank who was so nice about it and helped me look through the theater. It was really sweet, but it wasn't there. I am envisioning a ring holder that's like a mannequin hand, but just with wedding ring copies stacked to the very tip of it. Well, because I was talking with him and I was like, well, I'm going to reorder it, and I'll get it fit.

But I was like, should I just not wear it out? And he's like, well, that's kind of the point of an engagement ring is to wear it out. It's just you can't win. So they just have to not cost more than $150. That's the key. That's my recommendation to anyone. Yeah.

But what about a blood diamond? A big blood diamond, Jamie. Have you tried that? Cause that's cool to just have like, Wait a second. I didn't think to ask. A bunch of your net worth tied up in. In blood diamonds.

A thing that represents you having been indirectly a part of a war crime. I'm just gonna- Why not that? No, I'm just gonna keep giving this guy with an Etsy store $150 every few months, and then we'll get married at some point. There you go.

You should really check in with the guy and just see if you can get like an increasing 1% discount on subsequent rings. I'm like, you're going to want to keep these measurements on the books because you will be hearing from me again. Just hit subscribe and save. And it can just flick you out every six months. And I will be.

New ring came. Amazing. Well, congratulations again. We're thrilled for you and your fiance. And yeah, let's get into some news. So we wanted to do a quick international check in. There's a couple big international stories happening. One is things are going bad in Russia. Have you guys heard about this Russia? So they've got this guy, Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump is master negotiator. And he was like, everybody needs to chill out. This guy and I are friends. He's a pal. And now like Vladimir Putin's doing whatever he wants because he did, it turns out he's like a dictator bent home world domination. Like basically everyone except Trump believed he was.

And it's just like Donald Trump just keeps being like, Vladimir, stop it. Like he was really tweeted that a couple of weeks ago. Really? He literally on truth said Vladimir stop it. All caps. Yeah. And now he's having to like do military, uh, exercises in, on a Swedish Island to be like, we're, we mean business, but, uh, for real, why aren't

you returning my calls type thing? I mean, I, I, I know Trump also is not a good negotiator, but this, I will just say, does have a wee bit of like, he's not, his goal is not to have Vladimir Putin stop it. So I wonder if a different way of looking at this is closer to like, Oh, stop it Vladimir, please. Right. It's just like, you know. Truly does not give a shit.

Right. Like saying it because he feels like he has to. Yeah. Yeah. It seems fair. Yeah. You know, the whole point is let Vladimir cook. That's like, let's see where he's going with this.

That's one of Donald's, you know, that's on his to-do list is continue to let Vladimir cook. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like similar situation in Gaza. Yeah. Things have gone from horrifying and genocidal to somehow worse in addition to openly targeting civilians who like once worked for the government and then like bragging when they assassinate like a civilian, you know, and then like bragging when they assassinate like a civilian,

you know, and then obviously every like child that happens to be in the same building that they think they might be in. They have also cut off all food and medicine, and behind the scenes Trump has repeatedly made promises and then failed to deliver and made promises and failed to deliver. And he actually, he promised he would get Israel to agree to a ceasefire and

end the blockade in exchange for like the big valuable hostage, Eden Alexander, an American Israeli soldier. And Hamas was like, all right, if you say so. And they released him and that truly, absolutely nothing was done. Like not even the hint that something was going to be done. And yeah, it's, I don't know, people have pointed out this is bad for everyone. You can negotiate if you don't like actually do the thing you claim you're going to do. But yeah, it seems like we're continuing to have an American executive branch that

like there's this quote from an Israeli cabinet minister that literally said, we're dismantling Gaza leaving it in ruins with unprecedented destruction and the world still hasn't stopped the world still hasn't stopped us. Yeah. Which seems to be like that. There keeps being these quotes like about the Biden administration. It almost sounds like a challenge. Like it's crazy.

When they're talking about the Biden administration, they're like, it was weird. We were so surprised that they didn't push back at all. They were like, yeah, go to it. We did not see that one coming. So I don't know. I feel like there were some people who were like, well, anything is better than Biden, who seems like absolutely committed to Zionist genocide. And it doesn't seem to be getting better in any sort of, I mean, I know that there's been increasing efforts to, you know, have people reach out to their representatives, but that hasn't yet moved the needle really. Like, no one is saying anything. How many times, you know, how many days in a row have people done their five calls? And, you know, people who, whatever, I mean, it's nothing we don't know, but like, you know, people who, whatever, I mean, it's nothing we don't know, but like, alleged progressives don't do shit.

They don't care or it's like inconvenient to, to, to care and, and public figures too. I mean, I think it's so frustrating that like, you know, people who sort of issued these weird wishy washy Biden administration coded statements over a year and a half ago, and almost two years ago, are sort of, are really quiet when there's images of children being killed every day coming out. It's just like, it is the most depressing thing in the entire world.

I feel like there's- Truly. It's really cool. Unfortunately, the only public figures that really come straight to mind are Rami Youssef, Miss Rachel. Miss Rachel, yeah. The Irish punk band, Kneecap. Three very disparate personalities, but it's really...

Yeah. And one of the members of NECAP was just charged with terrorism in the UK. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. And Hassan Piker was held at the border. It's just absurd. And then following the murder of the two people who worked for the Israeli embassy, Hassan Piker's name

was all over the news last weekend, people being like, this person needs to be completely deplatformed and essentially arrested for, which, yeah. Which of course there's like no grounds for it, but it's just, yeah, I know that it's like becoming increasingly scary to think. and it's also, it's tough because it's like, it's not a genocide that the government is complicit in is not something that we're going to post our way out of. Right. And I don't know.

I just, such a bleak place. The politician thing is like, I mean, they didn't say anything under Biden. like, I mean, they didn't say anything under Biden. It's there. Like as far as like Democrats go, I don't know why air quoted Democrats, like Democrats go. Like this is like, it's not something that we like to think about or hear, but I think the evidence is pretty clear. This is just a hundred percent of thing they believe in.

Right. A genocide. So it's like, it doesn't seem like it was an accident. Like all the, all the public front page stories where Biden is like banging his dang head against the wall, trying to get something done over here and you just can't get it done like all reporting since the administration has been like. Yeah, that wasn't true. It's true. I was like, Whoa, this guy's really not true.

Never been true. But also that goes down to like, I mean, that that is part of the reason why this, you know, calling your representatives, you know, if you have a Democrat, you know, congressperson or senator, like the reality is, it's not that they, I think it's not that they, I think, it's not that they don't care. It's that this is their plan. This is plan A. What's happening. Yeah. Like this is a place where they agree with Trump would be my, is what the

evidence suggests to me. Right. And yeah, cause like the, the leaders of the democratic party, like there's never, there's never been a point in their careers where it would be like they would have made a different choice. As we saw. As we saw and yeah, I could keep going. It, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I don't, yeah. It's bad. I feel like, you know, following the murder of the two people, it's just going to get worse. It's going to get so much worse. Yeah.

I don't know. Right now, there's like, they're whatever, anyone who wants to make an example of someone has this example to point to now. Yeah. It's, yeah, I feel like it's going to make, I mean, not that protesting has already been so horrifically difficult, especially for students,

but I feel like it's just gonna get even harder. Yeah, I believe it's equally bad when innocent Palestinian children are murdered as when innocent adults are murdered, but I feel like that's, I don't know. The mainstream media seems to have some different conversion rate behind the scenes. I do wanna see, do they have the chart where they're like,

it's like 10,000 Palestinian children is when it rises to the level of a white guy in Minnesota or something. Yeah. Even then completely, children that just exist in this void of context because the paper is reporting on them generally don't give the proper context to even help you understand why things are happening the way they are in the first place. Yeah. I just...

Yeah. One of the journalists who has taken a lot of the videos that you're talking about that are like one of the reasons that people are able to, you know, see what is actually happening was assassinated by Israel recently. So that's how they're choosing to deal with the fact that this is horrific and unpopular with anybody who sees what they're doing is just like, how do we make it so people aren't seeing what we're doing? You know? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Uh, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll talk about some

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I really like that. Should we talk about the person who swam around Martha's Vinger for the jaws? So, I mean, really briefly, there's this weird article about how the overall vibe in Hollywood is like, not just trying to back away from DEI values because they're afraid of like being sued, but also they've like kind of focused on their like Yellowstone, this Tim Allen show, that other Yellowstone show. Yeah. I don't know.

Tim Allen's got to have something else. It's overwhelming success. I mean, they also talk about this reality show about dating farmers, wives or something, you know. What? No, farmer's looking for. Farmer wants a wife or whatever. A wife.

Yeah. Farmer wants a wife. Farmer wants a wife. Hi, ho, the Dario. And is that like a porn parody of a fucking children's song? That's like what the fuck? I think that song actually is just like, or no, no, no, that that song says the farmer takes a wife, which is like, ooh, damn.

I'm sure he did. It's a, yeah, but like, I don't know. It, it's definitely happening. They're evidence. And this is something that we've seen and talked about on the show since the, uh, Sony leaks. Actually, I don't think we had a show when the Sony leaks happened, but I love talking about the Sony leaks because some of those emails are so fucking wild.

Like the guy who's like, guys, Denzel's my favorite actor, but the guy can't open a movie like ahead of the equalizer too, which was like a hundreds of millions of dollars box office success. But it's just what they do is they focus in on the things that succeed, that are in line with the thing that is going to be convenient for them to kind of evolve their projects towards. And so it's convenient for them to create antiDEI, like pro quote unquote heartland values content, and believe that it's going to succeed more than things that are made for a diverse audience.

Yeah. And so this article kind of pisses me off because it's just like, it does like kind of try to make the case. Well, it also is like, but this is dumb and like going to ruin TV, but it does like kind of try to make the case. Well, it also is like, but this is dumb and like going to ruin TV, but it does like take their, take some of their cases that like face value, like they're like Tim, Tim Allen's shifting gears about a grumpy widower with Manosphere viewpoints is a ratings hit for Disney's linear broadcast audience with more live viewers on average than the Connors season seven and

Abbott Elementary season four. But like such a very specific, so live viewers is people who choose to watch linear television. ABC, the TV. Right, which is like, I know a lot of people who watch Abbott Elementary and none of them watch it during the broadcast. They watch it the next day on Hulu. I haven't watched a non-sports broadcast other than, I guess, Game of Thrones, the final episode, because we had like a viewing party, like as that happened. But that, I will just throw this out there. I mean, maybe not you specifically,

but even those that were like concurrent with the time were also on HBO Max. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah it, the show look probably more popular than it actually is. Than it actually is, yeah. Like they talk about this dating show and they're like, it pulls in an impressive like 1.5 million viewers, which like, I don't know, like aren't dating shows, like isn't The Bachelor like the last thing that like puts up cheers numbers?

Like, so you're like, you're just saying it out of context, but you're not like, which is obviously a niche hit that would be, you know, like compared to a mainstream dating show hit. Like that's the thing that like, I feel like happens with these stories. Like they talk about how in the article, they talk about how Sinners is like this massive hit that like should point people to, no, people still want like stories told from diverse perspectives about different things that aren't just like right-wing Christian values, but they don't like bring up, for instance, the thing that

like everybody was like so amazed by was that Sound of Freedom movie, which I think ended up being like the 32nd most successful movie at the box office the year it came out. Like it was like not, it was like a hit again. It's like, it's like when we talk about the, you know, woke Pope, he was like, had progressive values for a Pope. It's like, this was successful for being Christian right wing entertainment, which is a small niche portion of the view. I will also say just not to like, so in the notes in this document here, there's a sentence that says box office is kind of unfakable. Right.

And I will just say that is not true. Right, right. Sound of Freedom specifically was like a movie. And all those right-wing movies are movies where like, you know, rich people rich right wing, you know billionaires will just buy out theaters that are either empty or those tickets are given to people for free. So there's like parents that'll just bring, you know, their kids to whatever that fucking weirdo Jesus movie that came out recently was because it's free. Right. Like the Jesus cartoon that came out recently was because it's free. Right.

Like the Jesus cartoon that came out recently. That was made for like church field trips. Yeah, yeah. Which is just to say- Church field trips to a movie. Yeah. But also they will just play to empty theaters, like, or nearly empty theaters. So just a teeny tiny pushback on the idea that box office is unfaithful.

Yeah. It's absolutely faithful. Yeah, that's definitely fair. They're definitely juicing those numbers and even the juiced numbers are like, yeah, it would be like a mid-sized hit that people, if it were made by a black director, variety or the Hollywood reporter would be like, still hasn't made its money back, you know? Sinners, they were like, oh, sinners might lose money, even though it's been

number one at the box office three weeks in a row. Like, it's- How? I mean, the first day after it's like weekend that like was double what they were predicting for it. They're like, hmm, still hasn't made us money. Yeah. I mean, the other thing about, listen, the only way the entertainment media could be

more transparently right wing is if if they were like Sinners is the top-grossing movie with a Klan member in it of all time. That's right. It's just, I mean, it's like, I don't know how long you guys have been like noticing this like, it feels like really abrupt backslide, but it's just like so it's like comparing you know this point in the first Trump administration to now where it felt like, but it's just like, so it's like comparing, you know, this point in the first Trump administration to now, where it felt like, you know, it's just been made very clear that any level of diversity was seen

as an industry trend versus a commitment to doing anything. Because, you know, the second the reelection happened, they're like, well, we, we, we tried the first time and it didn't work. So what if we just made stuff like, like, stuff instead? The thing that is, I think, worth pointing out about Hollywood, the people who run Hollywood is that DEI was not a value. It was a PR maneuver. Yeah.

And the things they're making now are what these people believe in and always have. They were just trying to diversify their portfolio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When it's somebody else's point of view that's being made, they turn it into a thing that sounds like corporate boilerplate, DEI, but then with this stuff, it's heartland. It's heartland entertainment. Uh, like come up with, if you like fucking focus grouped, which I'm sure they did, like the best way to describe the bullshit content that they're going to start investing in.

Uh, the other thing I will just say is having in my twenties worked for tech startups and a TV network, um, this, this like the, the way they just torture statistics to say what they already believe in is these alleged objective masters of the universe who just see data and act on it. The fact that they need to say more live viewers with a live audience, you know, linear broadcast. It's so pathetic. And it is very depressing that this works on people at all. It's just like, how stupid do you have to be to believe this? Like, truly, it's just like, what the fuck are you talking about? Linear broadcast audience, get the fuck out of here.

It's just like, yeah, throwing words at people and trying to confuse them. I don't know. I pitched something around recently and someone at an unnamed network was like, yeah, yeah, you know, like, we'll just kind of see what happens. And not as many people are kind of like doing, doing the woman thing, I think was the phrase that was here. Yeah. Doing the woman thing, I think was the phrase that was here. Yeah. Doing the woman thing.

And like, I don't know. It's funny because it has to be. But you're just like, I have also been kind of surprised at how open I feel like people in Hollywood spaces have been about the fact that, yeah, we're not doing that anymore. But it was nice. Hope you enjoyed. Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like they just tell the story that is convenient for them to tell. So like with Gaza, it would be convenient if people didn't actually care or if like the thing wasn't actually happening. And so they just like don't really cover it as though it were happening. And with the future of media, like it's, they will get

fired if they tell stories that are, you know, critical of the Trump administration. And so they just don't, and then pretend that stories that are like within the values that Trump wants to promote are, are successful, you know, until they like can't pretend otherwise. The thing that is sort of nice, that is a tiny silver lining that unfortunately many people's like lives and careers will be destroyed in the meantime, while this catches up is that, you know, this is another instance of the like facts don't care about your feelings crowd, they will run

into the facts eventually, which is that, you know, there is a limited audience for this type of stuff. And sinners things like sinners prove that there is literally they're throwing away opportunity cost by not green lighting things like that. And, you know, they are losing money. They are leaving money on the table that... I mean, even like the lower brow targeted things like Fast and Furious movies are a huge hit. And honestly, like a big part of that is because they're...

It's like a nearly United Colors of Benetton level, like Fox casting in their cast, but it's there and it works. And people want to see that. And until they can compel you to spend money on media that you may or may not want to watch, like those will always be hits and they'll always be, oh, Hollywood couldn't have seen it coming. But they could have. There's such a big precedent for it at this point.

With Ryan Coogler movies alone, like it's- Yeah. Yeah, I saw Sinners alone. Like it's. Yeah. Yeah. I saw the Sinners this weekend and it was like full. The theater was full. Like, you know, a weekend where like it's in sixth place and people are like, when is Sinners going to come out on VOD? It's like people are still going to the theaters in, in Mass to like see it. And I mean, yeah, like Sinners, I think Fast and Furious is a great example.

And then like the counterpoint, like when I, when I'm talking about like it being unfakable, let's say I get it's clearly not like they, they're definitely able to, like, if they have a thing that some people are interested in seeing, they will, you know, invest in that they will take church donations and like buy up theater seats just to amplify it. But The Daily Wire also tried to launch a film studio in the past couple of years. Literally, it was like made $30,000 of them just buying up individual theaters that they probably just paid for themselves, because there's just not an audience. Whereas so much of streaming content and shit like that,

people will continue to make the stuff that is not risky for them to make and just pay for it. And then it just goes and disappears into some fucking digital void. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, some daily wire movies that are super underrated classics is what I'm getting at. But like also like there is a way to make a man like, you know, Passion of the Christ,

you know, is not a whatever. It's a movie that normal people were like, oh, I will see this. Yeah. Also a bunch of right-wing freaks. But normal people also were like, I want to see this. You know what else? We were talking about Passionate Christ just last week,

not because the sequel is coming. As part of the fan community. And because we think everybody should go back and give it another chance. No, because it actually- Wait, what it actually well about It's supposed to be like a Jesus going to hell to like fight his way out of hell Like basically the South Park movie, right? Yeah, it's or doom. It's sort of the plot of doom. Yeah, it's

It's that like Mel Gibson's like it's a psychedelic, it's like an acid trip, man. But the thing that our writer, J.M. was pointing out last week was that the Passion of the Christ was actually, you could view it as just being an early film in the torture core movie. It was right at the kickoff of the the Saw movies and like Hostel and all those movies. Like, it was the first of those. So like, you could just be like, actually, like people were, you know, being told to

go see it because their church, but then it was also just the first movie where it was like, nothing happens except somebody is just like, badly hurt repeatedly for like an hour and you just like watch it. So I don't know. That's one theory. I still think, you know, the most religious I've ever been is watching Jesus Christ Superstar on a loop

for an entire summer, but it had nothing to do with Jesus Christ. It was really all superstar that I was there for. Yeah. It was all the superstar. Wow. Come for the superstar. They get you with the Jesus, Jamie. They get you with the Jesus Christ. But I do think I was talking about Jesus Christ

Superstar with someone recently. And I was like, for all of the time I spent watching it, it did not change my relationship to Christianity whatsoever. I was still very disinterested and ambivalent towards it. But I was like, you know, Jesus was an interesting guy. He could really hit some higher notes than you would expect. And all I'm saying- All of the range was incredible. You are one of my favorite people to hear, write, and think about fame though. And so you dropped the Jesus Christ,

but you, you know, the superstar part of it. I'm just saying, if any execs from the Daily Wire studios are listening, I am going out with my pitch for Jesus Christ Influencer, just anytime. Very good. That could be very good. It's gritty and violent. So, Jamie Loftus, what a pleasure having you on The Daily Zeitgeist. Always great to be back. You got to go to Harrisburg, Jack. I'm fucking up. Where, I just threw up a little bit thinking about Harrisburg.

Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? You can find me and follow me. Really on Instagram and blue sky, I guess would be the places at this point. Yeah. I'm at, uh, just under my full name at, uh, on blue sky and, uh, on Instagram at Jamie cry superstar.

Look at that. Look at that. How do you like that? That's brand synergy. You can also find me physically at the Snoopy museum in Santa Rosa. Fucking just hanging. Just doing my triple axels. I'm waiting for my membership card to come in. I can't wait. Oh, I bet it's so cute. Whatever's on the card.

All of it's so cute. I'm so excited. Is there another museum and research center with a fucking ice rink in the middle of it? I hope so, but I don't think so. Maybe like the Wayne Gretzky one or something, but. This one's such a nice surprise. It would be nice to get on the ice and just get board checked so hard. I've been, they do like annual holiday ice shows.

So it was like, we gotta go back. We've got limitless opportunities to go. I love how when Snoopy skates, it's so cute. Me too. ice shows. So I was like, we got to go back. We've got limitless opportunities to go. Pete I love how it went Snoopy skates. It's so cute. Jade Me too. He's so good at it. Yeah, so that's, you can find me there soon, I hope. Jared Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Jade Oh, man. Yeah, let's, what do I, actually, I, it's a book. I'm going old school.

Pete Wow. Jared The oldest form of media, besides scrolls. Yeah, let's, what do I, actually, I, it's a book. I'm going old school. Wow. The oldest form of media, besides scrolls. But I am, I am revisiting a book I'd never read before, but I feel like I've read sections of, over and over for years, No Logo by Naomi Klein. The Klein, yeah, often quoted, but I just have never really sat down with it.

I feel like it's kind of like a Gen Xers Bible of sorts, but I've never actually read No Logo, and I'm in the middle of it. It's a lot of stuff that you probably already know about branding and also just about manufacturing in general, but it was written in 1999, and what's been the most interesting part of it for me is just seeing how she will present these ideas as very new, where now it's very Americanized ideas of contractors versus employees outsourcing manufacturing versus owning anything to say, you know, it's

just all of these things that are she's describing in these, uh, these communities in Sri Lanka and Indonesia are what our friends in the U S are dealing with now. So real upper real good vibes coming off this book. You're kind of, you're going to leave uplifted. You're going to be crying, uh, tears of joy, but it's really good. Yeah. It's wild to read books from the late 90s that are like a paranoid masterpiece and it's like, oh no, this is just what we live in. Pretty straightforward.

Yeah, this is literally just how Uber drivers are forced to work now. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Great recommendation. Andrew T, is there a work in media you've been enjoying and where can people find you? Andrew T on Places. I have been watching the new season of this British show called Taskmaster is on.

They're putting on YouTube, I think, as it goes out now. And it's a very silly show that where like a panel of standups through the season do these like very, it's basically like children's games, not as in like, you know, Monopoly or whatever, but it's like, if an eight year old made up a game for you on the spot, and you just had to do it and take it seriously. It's like a whole show of that. I love that. And this season, Jason Manzoukas is one of the panelists.

It's real weird. I haven't watched it yet. That's so, weirdly, it makes sense to me. Yeah. But it's interesting that they figured out it made sense. If an American comedian should have been on it, I will just say I would have voted for Paul F. Tompkins, but Jason Manzoukas makes plenty of sense as well.

It is really good. The one thing about, actually speaking of DEI, I will say British TV does a much better job of just casting a wider array of types of people. The show is a great example of that as well. But yeah, they're putting it on YouTube, I think concurrent to when it comes out. So it's handy for me.

I feel like Jason Manzoukas always likes the stuff that I like because he's obsessed with me. No, just, we have very similar media and I'm assuming he like went on that show because he likes it. So, I mean. Yeah, apparently he like, he just cold emailed the show runner and it was like, hey he just cold emailed the show runner and was like, hey, can I do the show?

I mean, normally it's British people that just do the round of panel shows, but sure. Yeah. They're like, well, since you asked so nicely. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. You can find me on Twitter at jack underscore O'Brien on blue sky at jackobi. The number one work of media I've been enjoying is Sinners. Have you guys seen Sinners?

Yeah. Oh yeah. That's good. That's like a good, it's like a good movie and then it has that like, I just, I I'm so glad I saw it before it left theaters. The music, the, the whatever happens in that one scene in the middle. And an Irish ass jig for you? So many. Oh my God.

I had to hold myself down from getting up and jigging in the aisles. That's the music part I'm talking about. That one scene. Yeah, of course I'm talking about the Irish jig. The jig, you guys, the fucking jig. But yeah, you really have to see it. I was saying on yesterday's training, unless you have the most amazing sound system at home. The sound is just like, yeah, the way it moves around the theater is so fun and cool.

You feel like you're high a little bit. It looks so beautiful. cool and you feel like you're high a little bit. It looks so beautiful. So many movies look ugly. It's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. You should do that more. Make a thing that looks really good, instead of like shit.

Good pitch. Good pitch. Call me crazy. Anyways, you can find us on Twitter on Blueuesky at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. You can go to the description of the episode wherever you're listening to it, and there you will find the footnotes,

which is where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. With Miles out, we like to ask super producer Justin Connor. Justin, is there a song that you think the people might enjoy? Yeah. This song is a little bit different from what I usually recommend. Although I have suggested this song from this band before, they're a Chicago based group called Slow Pulp.

This song has a fun grunge type of element mixed into it. They have kind of like a paramour vibe. But this song compares romance to feeling like a summer hit that you keep playing on repeat in your head. And I love the singer's voice and at about like one minute and 39 seconds into the song, it sounds like she's saying my name really intently, which I love. I've looked it up, she's not saying my name, but it's very close. It sounds like just Justin is being whispered into my ear and I love it. So this track is called Slugs by Slow Pope and you can find that in the footnotes.

Slow Pope? Slow Pope. Sorry. P-U-L-P. Yes. Okay. So Slow Pope is still available as a band name. Slow Pope is also a band name.

Yeah. I'm good. Sure. Yeah. That's good to know. It would be amazing if they were called Slow Pope and they were from Chicago. I hope the way I pronounce Pope isn't some midwesterly thing that I fucked up and now people are going to like. I don't think so.

It's just where my brain went. This Pope who we just got is from Chicago and I've never seen him run the 40, you know? I don't know how fast, what kind of foot speed he's working with. They should make a race to be the Pope next time. Thank you. The Conclave should involve the NFL Combine style. In full robe? Full robe, you got to wear the hat and then see what your standing vertical loop is.

It just saddens me that our pope is probably anti-ketchup if he's a real Chicagoan. Yeah, I mean, I co-sign that, but I will defer to you, Jamie, for all things hot dog on this. Wait, do Chicagoans hate ketchup on everything? No, no, on everything or just hot dogs? No, everything. It's looked at as like a kid Yeah, anything anyone over the age of like five or six? That's always the Chicago rationale is like, where are you five years old you little baby? Doctrinated I can't help it I co-signed this, but yeah, I can see

a wall there and I will try to jump that at some point, but it's hard for me to get over that. We'll work on it. I love ketchup so much. It's so good. What's your favorite thing? Like what's the one thing if you're only allowed to have ketchup on one thing for the rest of your life, Andrew? Chili crab, baby. I went to a pop-up that was, listen, it was very good. I don't know the pop-up,

but I went to this restaurant that people are excited about. I'm not going to name it because there's this little criticism, but they made a take on Singapore chili crab. And here's the thing. I think they were trying to upscale it a little bit. And it was very clear that the sauce did not have the actual most important ingredient, which is just fucking Heinz ketchup. And it was like nicer, but it was like, I was like, yeah, but not better. Where's my ketchup? Yeah, brutal. Heinz and Coca Cola are the two things that like capitalism has. It's like we tried, we really just like can't do better than this one. Like, you guys did it best.

Listen, they took the cocaine out and it's still good, which really says something. That speaks for itself. Rarely the case. Oh, Justin's like, enough. That was next. All right. That is going to do it for us.

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